Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    @vw. I’m no Ramirez, but docs through
    June are probably a couple thousand.
    If I see a gofundme for “Horman divorce doc,” with
    a reasonable cap, I’ll kick in my prorated share.

  2. Rose says:

    Don’t suppose vw, you know
    anyone in Spokane willing
    to do same?

  3. T. Ruth says:

    cd says:
    December 6, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    NelMel says:
    December 5, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    Neither KH or DY are child development specialists. They have no idea what Baby K was or is thinking about TMH. None. Zip. And I will drink melted Crisco in front of 1,000 people if KH’s legal people produce an “expert” who provides “proof” that Baby K did not suffer an emotional impact when her mother just vanished.
    ————
    Lol I strongly agree but olive oil would be better for you.

    Totally agree NelMel,

    I love EVOO, so I would eat a bowl of beets. (Only veggie I cannot stand.) I agree if the child changed, it was due to trauma, not joyous delight that her mother disappeared.

  4. GraceintheHills says:

    RedRose says:
    December 5, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Curiosity Questions:
    1. Has Kaine ever given ANYone permission to search his property?
    2. Can LE search his property without his permission, or do they need some sort of evidence.

    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Hi RedRose, it has been written that LE searched the Horman property, including a pond, several times. In fact, a couple of pictures from the search were posted at one time. I suspect KH gave LE permission to do so.

  5. vw says:

    Seriously, Blink and Rose

    I’m just KIDDING… given the razing i’m doing about the bios ‘funding”. I’d originally picked them up for my own research and to verify suspicians. Over two years ago, when I found that whole hearing transcript where Bunch’s entered the RO renewal in june 2012 and attempted to convince Messinger Kaine’s accusations were based on heresay, I was furious. Not so much at Messinger, then, but at the press that had completely ignored it.

    At that point I committed myself to keeping up with the docs…because i didn’t and still don’t trust the media to give us the whole picture.

    I need nothing. I am a woman without much in my life to vex me financially, as I don’t require much more than a new haircut, a road trip with a pair of nords boots once a year, good friends and family.

    And being able to discuss the whole truth with all of you folks, when possible.

    I appreciate you VW.

    o/t: what is a nord boot? I live in Jersey- my translation of that was a pair of boots purchased at Nordstrom. Am I right?
    B

  6. erose says:

    IIRC, KH has stated on a few occasions that he has given MCSO carte blanche (my words) to his property to search as many times as they want. I believe he stated that most recently on Dr. Fill. What he will not do is consent to private party searches.

  7. vw says:

    T. Ruth says:
    December 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    vw says:
    December 4, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Maybe Kaine is smarter than we think and after those agencies throw him under the bus he will “talkie” what their “impressions” and “methods” were the second-5th week of Kyron being gone.

    ***************

    RE: Interesting thought. No one can depose Kaine Horman and ask him what LE told him, but there isn’t anything stopping him from simply telling someone, anyone, what has transpired in this case, should he want to, is there? Once the divorce is over, other than his fear of screwing up an already screwed up case, what difference would it make if he just came out and stated what has been going on.

    ——————————————————-

    Truth. Kaine is this case for them. Without Kaine, there would be no MFH or “probable cause” for involvment in Kyron’s disappearance, would there? Then what would Staton have to justify a multi-million dollar “investigation”? What would keep the pressure off Skyline and the DA’s office?

    Kaine has a lot of leverage with the DA’s office. Is he not going to use it when this hits him very hard where it really hurts…in his pocket?

    He did not have to pay alimony to DY that I know of. Nor did he for the last 3 years for TMH. Oregon is a 50/50 state.

    If past history is telling….TMH may have had ex husbands who didn’t want to parent or she didn’t get along with, but she came out of at least one with child support and held firm on that.

    I’m sure she just wants her daughter back now. But Kaine is eventually going to have to pay. I mean, really pay. Even though he didn’t put the car or house in her name it is now joint property.

    —————————

    Truth says: Is it just me, or do Desiree and her followers seem to have suddenly turned up the heat? First the re-searches, and wanting to search the Horman property herself as well, then the Dr. P show, then the new demonstrations and chalk&walk around the Moulton property, now releasing old pictures of James standing next to someone with a *Terri, where’s Kyron?* sign and telling the world even James knows.

    Even James knows what? James was deposed during the civil case, so whatever he *knows* didn’t find Kyron, nor did it result in the arrest of anyone who might know where Kyron is. All these people who have now talked, who Desiree was so adamant would have knowledge of the day Kyron went missing….Terri’s friends, Dede, James, etc., have provided zero to find Kyron. Desiree’s followers, or friends as she calls them, what are they trying to do?

    I’m beginning to wonder if someone is afraid that not only may Kaine start talking, but Terri is going to start talking.

    You know, I really try to have an open mind in this case, and have since the beginning, but I am at a point where I have serious doubts about the intentions of Desiree Young and her followers. Not that it matters what I think, but I’d like to know what the heck they are trying to do? Desiree has lost her “no talkie, no Kiara” card, so what is it she’s going to try to hang over Terri’s head now? Even James knows?

    Btw, my humble opinion, at some point in Kiara’s life, she probably will come across some of these blogs or FB pages, but I think at that time (if she’s even interested) she will be able to google Kitty & BabyK just as easily as she could google Kiara. It’s sad she’ll have access to all the hate toward her own mother. At least this forum does not promote hatred. Thank God. I could still scream for the sake of all the children involved when I think of how Judge Messenheimer allowed public release of the sexts involved in this divorce. What a dumb-assed thing to do. God Bless the Children.

    ——

    Truth, regard the stalking, etc. DY played the “investigators showed me a picture” in the Lynne Terry story.
    Since her last sponsored “search” had obviously produced nothing. As long as she can refer to something, anything, with the words “it’s part of the investigation, so no, I can’t disclose specifics” she can carry on this campaign.

    What does it get her? Payback? A sense of power over those she was powerless against? A sense of stardom and new makeovers and national attention? A cadre of devotees that weep over her every wiping of her eyes and that predictable choking up?

  8. vw says:

    @Truth…clicked too fast. But I agree with your whole post. Sometimes I thought that the bios were only acting out of grief and hope. But that is no longer the case and they should get help. Not Dr. Phil – type help but help in figuring out what kind of person the want to be and get through the stages of horror and grief at a great loss in a psychological healthy way.

    IMO. they still haven’t gotten thru the anger stage. And they won’t with those Antis and the DA’s office egging them on and on based on their own fears or anger.

    Are the wise enough now to see who the real enemies are to forgiving themselves?

  9. Rose says:

    reading back, scrap gofundme vw, for a volunteer
    spirit & treats (long as it’s not doggie biscuits)

  10. T. Ruth says:

    GraceintheHills says:
    December 6, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Thank you Gracie, and Kaine himself said on the Dr. P episode that LE had searched his property numerous times and were welcome to do so again. He saw no reason for his ex-wife to be searching his property on her own, which to me, says something…….mistrust. JMO, but that’s what I got from that interview. IOW, Kaine was telling his ex-wife, *you want to search my property….why?…..get a search warrant*.

    To me, this could actually have been a very telling conversation, perhaps a clue. JMO, but I think it shows how much distrust there is between these two people….Desire & Kaine. Some 3+ years later, and it’s obvious they are still very separated in their views, the question for me is why?

    ***************

    Gosh, maybe it’s just me, but if I go back to the very beginning, NONE of the immediate parents of Kyron acted normally. Kaine not at all, busy writing letters to INTEL; Desiree busy blaming Terri before she really had any idea of what had happened, Tony Young, same. IDK, but maybe Terri behaved most normally in this case, though were it me, (perhaps, because I am old and antiquated) would have spent much less time on FB, but I’m thinking Terri was the first person to start using current technology to find Kyron. Am I wrong?

  11. Rose says:

    from “whotalking” Facebook

    “Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers : BREAKING TWEET:
    Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    23 minutes ago – View – ”

    looks like a “bio media honey” had a bee offer a stinger.

    what the?
    Full court media leak press.
    B

  12. Amys Sister says:

    Info to be released in two hours (11:00 news) about the murder for hire. I’m watching Fred Claus so haven’t yet checked to see if my local news will have the story but wanted to give Oregonians a heads up.

    o/t: Love that movie
    B

  13. Rose says:

    How did Canzano manage to figuratively seduce the Real Exclusive mfh story out of Kaine after 3 long years?
    Or, did he figuratively seduce her at just the right moment? Portland media seem nothing but users & usees, just like its drug culture. since the Soldiers were on the spot with Reveille at the first Tweet, I assume this was General-initiated.

  14. Rose says:

    first to retweet Katu, almost simultaneously, Soldier Green, followed bythe usuals like Gilli:

    copied from whotalking FB
    (most recent = first) Btw, I’ve never seen BKH FB on there so imo somehow it’s blocked.

    “aliceem36 : RT @cominer: A landscaper talks about how Terri Horman wanted the murder of her husband to go down @AnnaCanzanoKATU has the details #liveon…
    2 minutes ago – Via Twitter for Android – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View
    KATUNews : RT @cominer: A landscaper talks about how Terri Horman wanted the murder of her husband to go down @AnnaCanzanoKATU has the details #liveon…
    3 minutes ago – Via TweetDeck – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View
    WashCoScanner : RT

    @cominer: A landscaper talks about how Terri Horman wanted the murder of her husband to go down @AnnaCanzanoKATU has the details #liveon…
    3 minutes ago – Via TweetDeck – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View
    cominer : A landscaper talks about how Terri Horman wanted the murder of her husband to go down @AnnaCanzanoKATU has the details #liveonk2 @ 11 #kyron
    3 minutes ago – Via TweetDeck – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    aliceem36 : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    12 minutes ago – Via Twitter for Android – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    ovgal1978 : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via Twitter Web Client – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    MaryannGilli : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via Twitter Web Client – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    SLTrLsn : Hu?! @cominerComing up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via UberSocial for Android – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View
    KATUNews : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via TweetDeck – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    pinkspiritgirl : BREAKING TWEET: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via Facebook – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    MPdaCNA : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via Peregrine – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    AnnaCanzanoKATU : RT @cominer: Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via HootSuite – Reply – Retweet – Favorite – View

    (insert Miner is evening editor)
    cominer : Coming up at 11 #LiveonK2 – exclusive news from @AnnaCanzanoKATU about the plot to kill Kaine Horman #kyron
    1 hour ago – Via TweetDeck -Reply ”
    —–
    How does speaking in public make RSE more credible?
    Imo he thinks pressuring Terri will force her to avoid trial
    so he doesn’t have to go on the Stand. Personally. I’m glad he’s being
    interviewed. The talking the better.

    Hmm. Maybe because he can’t be at the trial, remember?

    I am going to reserve judgement but is Frink the ghost of christmas past with his forged chains and all that?
    B

  15. erose says:

    Don’t know what they are going to say, but why could it not be released in the divorce documents? Wouldn’t the MFH story have cinched the custody case for KH? Is this something the media bought but the court won’t?

  16. vw says:

    Another non-story….? Unless Rudy has found “proof” after all this time.
    Then, if so, Is TMH behind bars for a Felony? Up to 5 years, at least, in Oregon to solicit to kill.
    Did they finally have proof?

    Anna should be careful with her words. “Plotting to Kill” is not something to take lightly.

    But the bigger picture. If her information comes from Kaine, then Bobby must be depoed.
    At least that was what Kantor implied. If Kaine says, “they said…” then “they” must say.

    I have hands up and ready to catch those softballs- no glove necessary.
    B

  17. erose says:

    Ahhhh, “the landscaper talks.”
    https://twitter.com/AnnaCanzanoKATU

  18. vw says:

    I appreciate you VW.

    o/t: what is a nord boot? I live in Jersey- my translation of that was a pair of boots purchased at Nordstrom. Am I right?
    B

    Qui, madam. I’m especially fond of a comfy line of Naya.

    Got it, thought so, lol. I will leave my boot obsession out of this to the applause of all readers, trust me. Speaking of boots- what do those on the ground say about the landscaper BOMBSHELL?
    B

  19. Rose says:

    If he’d talked on TV the summer of 2010, I’d pay attention.
    2 things make him less than credible:
    1) orchestrated timing
    2) a bid to record his testimony in pertetuity to avoid
    a) rigorous cross, b) the trial itself,
    with 3) veracity-impeaching witnesses.
    Imo looks like this is a new bid to avoid cross,
    and impeachment, at Trial.
    I note the johnnyonthespots on
    Facebook & retweet whotalking are known handles for DY Soldiers.

    Yep. Is he going to brave an camera live interview?
    B

  20. Rose says:

    aww VW. Don’t you think good citizen (oops, retract) RSE came forward on his own?

  21. Rose says:

    wrt “I am going to reserve judgement but is Frink the ghost of christmas past with his forged chains and all that?”
    Well, it can’t be the line level ADAs coaching RSE—the full-time on Kyron’s case & ADA associate.
    Their prowess won them both important public sector Public Safety jobs.

  22. vw says:

    @Rose

    If you’re still awake. Cazano is related to the premier O-live authority on the Blazers. She’s been a team player for the duration….walking Kaine thru the Skyline halls on his first aniversary.

    IMO, she’s a lightweight with no stories that veer much from sensationalism. She’s been absent, virtually, and so has KOIN, from the last 6 mos of stories. First baby?

  23. Amys Sister says:

    From what I understand the story did come from court documents so they have either been filed or there was a leak of said documents, which obviously must stem from Rackner/Engel.

    I certainly hope not if the tag line was “the landscaper speaks.”
    B

  24. Amys Sister says:

    That tagline is new… earlier they stated the info came from court docs.

  25. Rose says:

    Yes. haven’t seen it. just finished Sat crossword & now back on Fri, awaiting trusty analysts.

    Back to big picture. Did any top Nike employees have progeny attending or teaching at Skyline? I ask because Nike seems to “own” OSHU & it amazes me a line level prosecutor got a top PS job there that should have been nationally advertized & gone to someone in the profession, like FBI, with prominant science research facility experience, like NIH. Trying to figure out the puppeteer working back from cover up motives. As likely to be Nike as Intel based on outcomes.

  26. January says:

    @ amys sister

    Who’s they? Its past 11, where is the report.. lol, I’m tired.

    Harper is humming the theme from jeopardy- with vigor!
    B

  27. Rose says:

    I mean, maybe RSE is a Nike honco yardworker.
    Who knows?

  28. Rose says:

    @vw. Realized that was her reputation.
    My use of “honey” was deliberate.

  29. Amys Sister says:

    Document the info was taken from is pages long however on a few facts were released:

    -Terri hired RSE in 2008 as a landscaper
    -Five months before Kyron went missing Terri took him to a restaurant. She had Baby K with her.
    -She asked him to find someone to help her get rid of Kaine because she believed he was going to take Kiara from her.
    -She told RSE that Kaine always had $10,000 dollars in cash a computer with him and it could be made to look like a mugging.

    Amy’s Sis- my sincere thanks for your diligence. Lord knows I need my beauty sleep I never get :)

    What claptrap. Where is Kaine carrying 10 G’s around? He wore shorts and shave his head ?

    This is from Kaine’s response, and if it is, it is going to open up LE to a deposition, imo. Maybe the very goal. If that is correct, it was his only move.
    B

  30. Amys Sister says:

    **only

  31. Amys Sister says:

    Sorry, typos.

    **cash AND a computer with him…

  32. Amys Sister says:

    It was also reported that Kaine says he never carried %10,000 dollars with him.

  33. Amys Sister says:

    Hi January. KOIN twitter reported the lead ins prior to the news hour.

    Here’s the link to the actual news report. It was posted on an anti page so Blink feel free to delete as you wish.

    https://www.facebook.com/RoseburgLovesKyronHorman

  34. grasshopper says:

    KHWS have the video
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=544553328967926&set=vb.161645780592018&type=2&theater

    I was at the file room this afternoon and the court document from this was taken was neither in the file or even listed in the data base so it was leaked by someone. not likely to be T’s side so K’s side or DA. You can see the court documents in the video.

    these are claims by Rudy but it does not appear that T’s attorney were allowed to question him. So why are they putting the content of this repo into a court doc then leaking it to media before it is available to the public? Is this meant to be K’s reason that T should not be allowed to see Kiara? If they had had any actual evidence, the RO would not have been dropped, and in fact charges for MFH would have been filed. So does this mean that the “payment” would have been this cash that K “always” carries?

  35. vw says:

    BS on any of this coming from “Court Documents”.

    Nary a word.

  36. January says:

    Amy’s sis:

    you said: “Document the info was taken from is pages long however on a few facts were released”

    Where did this information come from? Where are you reading this?

    His timing is interesting

  37. grasshopper says:

    typos: court document from which this was taken not document from this
    depo not repo

  38. Amys Sister says:

    Amy’s Sis- my sincere thanks for your diligence. Lord knows I need my beauty sleep I never get :)

    What claptrap. Where is Kaine carrying 10 G’s around? He wore shorts and shave his head ?

    This is from Kaine’s response, and if it is, it is going to open up LE to a deposition, imo. Maybe the very goal. If that is correct, it was his only move.
    B
    _____

    Y/W. I’m not a sleeper either but it’s way late for you.

    I think there are elements to the truth in RSE story. Totally reaching here but what if Kaine was not buying but was dealing roids? Could be a reason for lots of cash and a computer case containing product.

    Kaine had to bring this in. IMO he had two choices… roll over and allow the visitation leading to eventual shared custody, plus allow himself to appear guilty of false accusations against Terri, or give the details as related by RSE.

    LE depo as a goal? I could see that.

    I don’t see he had any choice. I would add his counsel has as much to lose really. They acted on what they were told and have the whole diligence issue associated with that to consider.

    B

  39. grasshopper says:

    this also on KHWS:

    Desiree Davidson Young Hey, I don’t tweet, what’s going on? Please tell me she isn’t going to get Kiara too.
    Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hours ago via mobile

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers/161645780592018?ref=stream&filter=3

    There are no words.
    B

  40. grasshopper says:

    hey blink, great post over on canzano’s page!

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=562723640472230&l=e28b5af07b

    lol, damn your quick for a grasshopper, lol:

    I can update the non-news. KATU said his name incorrectly, and referenced documents that were leaked to them. They were leaked because Kantor ruled that if Kaine references something LE said, then LE will need to be deposed. MCSO threw him under the bus by lying to him to get a RO and now that is about to come out in court, he does not want to face the consequences for lies he believed in good faith. So in short, it is an attempt to force an intervention by Rees and delay the hearings scheduled Dec 19th and 20th, and getting this gobbledygook on the record- to circumvent a deposition as Engel has already tried and failed.

    B

  41. erose says:

    So who really got RSE to talk?

  42. grasshopper says:

    @blink,
    so who linked this to canzano? doesn’t appear to be fax line on top of the ones shown in the video so someone involved in the case who had a hard copy handed it over. I thought that was not supposed to happen until it is in the public file. IMO has to be K or Engel.

  43. grasshopper says:

    jeeze: not linked this canzano but leaked this to canzano since it was definitely NOT in the file this afternoon or even entered in the data base yet,

  44. erose says:

    Great theory, Blink.

  45. Rose says:

    LOL LOl, I appolly for being so behind in schedule today. I offer as my defense I did stay up for it and should have hit the rack hours ago.

    You guys are simply stellar and keep the pistons firing.

    If pistons fire, of course.
    B

  46. Rose says:

    and is his poly verification in the docs?

  47. Rose says:

    and did Canzano ask what precluded his appearance at Trial?
    or did she ever speak to him?

  48. Rose says:

    Still not having seen whatever, I hit the FB link only to see Harper Lee’s mom
    standing amongst Soldiers holding the Banner of Truth.

  49. vw says:

    IMO…Rees cannot INTERVENE.

    Kantor will not confirm an MFH without such from Bobby via Rees.

    So what’s the point?

    Like the sexting, which was a shadow of the “sexy solicitation” of murder, Rackner and now Engels are trying to deflect from what is the BASE of this case.

    LE has nothing, PPS has nothing now to give LE, and the parents of Skyline should come back and say …. Bullshit!

  50. Rose says:

    thinking on. why with this testimony under oath didn’t a GJ indict TMH for something?
    Could it be the DA didn’t ask? waiting for a recovery?
    the way I see it, there are only 2 ways for defense to handle–
    put Terri on (which Houze won’t do) to rebut by appearing more
    credible but more importantly offering a motive for RSE to lie,
    or weakening his credibility by proferring his quid pro quos from
    LE for testimony such as a green card, no deportation, Anselmo/Freddy
    out of jail, or whatever.

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