Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. cd says:

    Here is a link to the KATU news story.

    -snip
    Terri hired him to perform landscaping work in 2008;

    • Kaine was never told that Sanchez was doing the work;

    • Terri had been contemplating divorcing Kaine for many months;

    • Five months before Kyron disappeared, Terri asked Sanchez to a restaurant. She had Kiara, the daughter she and Kaine had, with her. She told Sanchez that Kaine was abusive and asked for his help finding someone to “get rid of” Kaine;

    • When he asked why, Terri allegedly told him that unless she got rid of Kaine, he would take Kiara from her;

    • Terri said that Kaine always carried $10,000 with him and a computer and the murder could be made to look like a mugging;

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html
    ———————–
    So i take it these documents came from a depo taken by Engel I can’t imagine why HouzeofBunch would leak their depo to Anna although Kaine must have told them the same. Wasn’t Baby-K born in December of 2008.

    So this lunch meeting would have been December of 2009? A Year after the Landscaper was hired by TH (2008) according to the leaked information.

    No wonder Engel wanted Kaines depo in video and not in person. I will be interesting to see what Houze does with this claim. Looks like a Hail Mary on Kaines part.

  2. vw says:

    Blink,

    Just read up on Katu and left a comment for Anna.

    There were no court docs “filed” regarding this depo.

    Sorry, Anna. Better check your sources better.

    Kaine carries 10 grand on him at all times? And a computer.

    Rofl. Better luck next time.

    Hope Kaine isn’t starting to draw women from the gym that want a ride
    home with that stacked back pocket.

    Kaine would know if he carried 10Gs around, right?

    So if that is part of the lie, why would he buy in?

    B

  3. Rose says:

    Back to Kyron. $10,000 hanging around?
    as told to a Canby yardworker? (Steroid dealing central).
    Gives a new meaning to son’s abduction motive

  4. tiny says:

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html

    I woke up to this. Ir is early but this infuriates me. I know you guys have been talking about this for a while and I saw Blink’s comment on FB. I really don’t give a poop about this honey boo boo style drama being played out with Anna Cazano being the star of the show. BUT holy crap a kid is kidnapped from a school and we are still working hard to perpetuate the lie that TH was the last to see him. Is Anna married to a PPS administrator or something? The press in this town totally disgusts me. Or maybe she is just plain on the LE payroll. Disgusting bunch of hacks.

  5. Rose says:

    final Q: Is RSE a fantastacist? If not, What’s his motive?

  6. Rose says:

    You know a journalist such as Pitkin would’ve
    written up the real story: how the leak was
    shopped to him & by whom.
    Which tells you why instead a Face
    was chosen.

  7. Rose says:

    @Blink. Imo the point of Kaine’s leak
    shortly before the Hearing is baby K
    was present while TH solicited murder
    of baby’s father.

    This is designed to put J Kantor on the
    public “hot seat” should he grant visitation.

    It seems to me via the Canby landscapers’ association
    RSE knew about both LE & KH’s steroid use and copped to a fable
    had something to get off the hook himself for legally just like Traverso
    did–remember Traverso got off the hook for a meth charge
    (procedurally “forgotten”), I don’t see a wife who called a detective
    confidentially on K’s steroid dealor having such murderous
    subterfuge. Terri’d go spell the “abuse” out in divorce Court. She’d been
    thru divorce twice with custody successfully.

  8. Rose says:

    googling the phrase anna canzano kaine horman,
    one sees she was always his unique go to media mouthpiece,
    whether about the Court case, anniversaries, Terri.

  9. Rose says:

    @SuzieQ. Moles just revisited an old page
    https://www.facebook.com/TellTheTruthTerriHorman
    associated prominantly with Kaine’s Foundation’s page.
    Imo that’s Quinn. (see his pic on quinnmmk)
    You know Kaine could stop hate apeech instantly by
    having his attorney send a letter objecting to use of his
    & his son’s images on the sites, cc to FB, and asking they be
    removed.

  10. T. Ruth says:

    Details in alleged plot to kill Kyron Horman’s father

    A landscaper claims that Terri Horman tried to hire him to kill her husband and have it made to look like a mugging, according to court papers in the case obtained by KATU.

    The papers were filed in the divorce case being fought between Terri and her estranged husband, Kaine.

    The couple is better known as the father and step-mother of Kyron Horman, a child who disappeared from Skyline Elementary in June 2010. Law enforcement officials have not found any witnesses who saw the child after he was seen with Terri who had brought him to school that day.

    The landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez claims in a deposition taken last month that:

    • Terri hired him to perform landscaping work in 2008;

    • Kaine was never told that Sanchez was doing the work;

    • Terri had been contemplating divorcing Kaine for many months;

    • Five months before Kyron disappeared, Terri asked Sanchez to a restaurant. She had Kiara, the daughter she and Kaine had, with her. She told Sanchez that Kaine was abusive and asked for his help finding someone to “get rid of” Kaine;

    • When he asked why, Terri allegedly told him that unless she got rid of Kaine, he would take Kiara from her;

    • Terri said that Kaine always carried $10,000 with him and a computer and the murder could be made to look like a mugging;

    (snipped, more@link)

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html

  11. T. Ruth says:

    So, IF Kaine was dealing roids, I wonder if he kept the cash in his computer case? Just thinking about the computer stolen from the Intel parking lot. (When was that, I’ve forgotten.) I also wonder who were his clients? Intel co-workers, cops? All of the above?

    Wow, this case is becoming more bizarre by the day.

  12. Amys Sister says:

    Rose says:

    December 7, 2013 at 11:40 am

    @SuzieQ. Moles just revisited an old page
    https://www.facebook.com/TellTheTruthTerriHorman
    _____

    There’s a link there posted by Bayou. Weeks after Kyron went missing Desiree gave a statement while sitting in the Brook’s Hill Church across from Skyline. In it she stated, “Kyron is still alive” followed by a request for the public to continue to look for him while doing their day to day activities.

    I wonder why LE/bios believed this. I wonder if contact was made by the perp after Kyron’s abduction.

  13. Amys Sister says:

    Sharing the Nightline link regarding above post:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S921eOHmNzE&feature=player_embedded

  14. Amys Sister says:

    Why would RSE lie?

    If Kaine was so miserly with his money how did Terri hire a landscaper and hide it from her husband from 2008 to 2010?

    Kaine must have thought Terri was doing all that yard work herself. He bought her that John Deere and all.

    I don’t think RSE is lying. It all makes sense. I’m sure LE has tracked the visit to the restaurant. Rudy must have given information that he could only know if Terri told him and I’m also sure he passed a lie detector test for LE to be so sure a MFH request was made. I don’t think LE is making this stuff up and I don’t think they are trying to set Terri up.

    I think they’re actually trying to find Kyron and bring justice.

    Too bad their ‘sting’ was such a debacle. Without her admitting to the MFH attempt on tape absolutely no arrest can be made. Terri is way smarter than most people are giving her credit for.

    You were so close… LOL.If LE tracked them to any restaurant, or had any non-hearsay evidence of this ( and btw some hearsay is permissible under certain conditions) it would have been included as an exhibit.

    You know I am so fond of you, but I am not understanding how this passes your smell test- given you are one of the best sniffers I know.
    B

  15. Amys Sister says:

    KATU report giving more details

    http://www.katu.com/news/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    The couple is better known as the father and step-mother of Kyron Horman, a child who disappeared from Skyline Elementary in June 2010. Law enforcement officials have not found any witnesses who saw the child after he was seen with Terri who had brought him to school that day.

    The landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez claims in a deposition taken last month that:

    • Terri hired him to perform landscaping work in 2008;

    • Kaine was never told that Sanchez was doing the work;

    • Terri had been contemplating divorcing Kaine for many months

    (snipped)

  16. Amys Sister says:

    ** LE have found no witnesses who saw the child after he was seen with Terri… **

    If this came from the Rackner/Engel response then Kaine still firmly believes this and it is what he is still being told by LE.

    Either it’s true or as Blink stated, part of his strategy is trying to force a LE depo.

  17. Rose says:

    Here’s what I don’t understand about Judge Kantor and the DA.
    Allow Kaine to depose the lynchpin of the mfh criminal charge-in-waiting as to
    the content of his evidence, where he is the sole source of mfh evidence (and leakage was
    inevitable), yet preclude in Terri’s depos Houze asking the mere fact of whether
    Matthews had spoken to LE at all–not even the content or substance.
    Why this disparity wrt DA & Judge “protecting the investigation?”

  18. T. Ruth says:

    grasshopper says:
    December 7, 2013 at 2:49 am

    this also on KHWS:

    Desiree Davidson Young Hey, I don’t tweet, what’s going on? Please tell me she isn’t going to get Kiara too.
    Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hours ago via mobile

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers/161645780592018?ref=stream&filter=3

    There are no words.
    B

    **************888
    @Blink,

    Desiree’s newest comment reminded me, I meant to ask you this yesterday. Would you like me to refrain from using Terri’s daughter’s given name here? It’s your forum, so I will respect your wishes. I, myself don’t care for the term BabyK, because it makes her sound like an object, which is how I believe she’s been treated by her father, LE and DY in this case, instead of the living, feeling, thinking, individual little person she is. (JMO)

    If you’d prefer I’ll just refer to her Terri’s daughter, or the Horman’s daughter, or her nickname, Kitty?

    I don’t think Baby K is intended to objectify here- especially since everyone here is fighting against that tide. However, I do agree that it is in her best interests to use another reference so I am fine with that, but not inclined to make it a rule.

    B

  19. T. Ruth says:

    Amys Sister says:
    December 7, 2013 at 2:30 am

    (snipped)
    -Five months before Kyron went missing Terri took him to a restaurant. She had Baby K with her.
    *****************

    @Amys Sis,

    The article says nothing about Kyron being at the restaurant with them? Can I ask where you got that information?

    I ask, because IIRC Desiree Young once made a comment about “Kyron was there, involved”…..this makes me wonder if this alleged restaurant meeting was what she was referring to?

  20. grasshopper says:

    is it a coincidence that this came out friday evening, after courthouse is closed, attys offices are closed so no response is possible. whole weekend to ferment in the public arena.

    None. Jose Beaez playbook 101.

    B

  21. Amys Sister says:

    The ad placed for a new landscaper…

    either RSE chose to no longer work for Terri Horman after she asked him to kill her husband (then her gig would be up and Kaine would know she wasn’t the one who was actually ripping up blackberry bushes and mowing the lawn) or she was looking for someone else who would be willing to do it after Rudy declined.

    That is incorrect. TMH responded to a lead generating “shareware”. She was not calling out of the phone book.

    RSE DID work for her. Then Kaine paid cash for John Deere- let me guess, about $10K? I know you know the story played out from this last hotmess special is not sounding right to you.

    Where was the lunch? On what day/time? I cannot believe for a second Kaine bought this lock stock and bullseye from LE and all the ensuing betrayals.

    Poppycock and balderdash, already. ( yes, I am channeling my long deceased loved ones because I need to utilize a venacular appropriate for my site and I am finding that difficult at the moment.)
    B

  22. Suzie Q says:

    Rose says:
    December 7, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @SuzieQ. Moles just revisited an old page
    https://www.facebook.com/TellTheTruthTerriHorman
    associated prominantly with Kaine’s Foundation’s page.
    Imo that’s Quinn. (see his pic on quinnmmk)
    You know Kaine could stop hate apeech instantly by
    having his attorney send a letter objecting to use of his
    & his son’s images on the sites, cc to FB, and asking they be
    removed.

    Sorry, completely confused by this comment, Rose. Are you referring to the pic of James next to the fat guy holding the sign?

  23. Rose says:

    @Amy’s Sister.
    Why wouldn’t he choose Door 1,
    as you say “roll over and allow the visitation”
    rather than “jeopardize the investigation?”
    After all, visitation would be supervised & safe.
    There is something about this man.

  24. Rose says:

    @Blink. Will we get a new piece with that background info
    you’ve been imo hoarding?

    LOL LOL.
    B

  25. lyla says:

    FYI

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html

    I do not claim to be the grammar queen, but check out that writing- bad content was just the start. Wow.
    B

  26. erose says:

    Blink, KATU called the landscaper “Rudy Sanchez” so were they incorrect for not using his full name RSE, or is something else going on with this mans ID?

    I posted from my FB that the name is incorrect. His name is Rudy Sanchez Estrada. That said, he has some INS issues and I don’t know how he has been identified in court records for whatever reason.
    B

  27. Amys Sister says:

    Kaine has been working with LE since the beginning. It’s not impossible the DA gave him the go ahead to put this information in the response to protect Baby K.

    Not impossible, but unlawful and would cause him to be disbarred, potentially.
    B

  28. T. Ruth says:

    Meanwhile, down on the farm:

    Breakfast with Santa!
    Saturday, December 7, 2013
    Must RSVP by December 4, 2013
    9 am – 11:00 am
    Come join Santa at the Loch Lolly warming shelter for a great breakfast.
    $8.00 per person
    Menu includes: French toast, sausage, eggs, biscuits, juice

    Kyron’s event runs from 9:00am – 5:00pm

    Proceeds from this breakfast go to the Kyron Horman Foundation, this is a perpetual foundation.
    Each child will be able to make an ornament to take home with them, along with safety information for families at no additional charge.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/479355132183062/?source=1

  29. T. Ruth says:

    Law enforcement officials have not found any witnesses who saw the child after he was seen with Terri who had brought him to school that day.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html

    This is the line that caught my attention. Where did she get that information?

    It is just not true- and don’t take my word for it for years, lol, but Bunch and Houze certified that in open court more than once.

    AND… the FAPA RO was dropped after it had been renewed.. HELLO?
    B

  30. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    December 7, 2013 at 12:09 am

    Well, I did mention yesterday there was nothing stopping KH from telling people whatever he wanted about this case. Hmmmmmm, does he read here? LOL

  31. grasshopper says:

    here is link to docs I got yesterday from file room. most of it you’ve seen before, posted by VW. this is pdf of whole thing. First few pages however are very important. The data base proves that the document on which Canzano reported last night, and from the video we saw that she had a hard copy in her possession, was not yet in the public file. data base pages are dated 12/6, the day printed, and only go up to item #121, still in November. nothing from this week.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10147993/divorce%20doc%20late%20november.pdf

  32. A Texas Grandfather says:

    If Kaine was lied to by MCSO people and that was the reason for the RO, some people need to be outed and sent home. This IMO should be a very good reason for Terri’s legal team to sue MCSO for cause and money.

    As a “service engineer”, Kaine would have tool bags and parts bags in his possession. Was he dealing drugs or was he just he delivery person? The hearing may expose a lot of things regarding activities of LE and Kaine.

    Hopefully Terri will be allowed visits with her child and once this is concluded, LE can get back to the task of finding Kyron if they have the skills and desire to do their job.

  33. sam h says:

    @Vw were the landscaper talks docs in the file alreeady? Trying to figure out if its a leak. thanks

  34. Malty says:

    I saw that news about Rudy early yesterday morning I liked the way it ended assuring people that KH is not walking around with 10 thousand
    I wish these people would just find little Kyron

  35. Malty says:

    I really don’t give what Rudy says much attention and who knows how many people he told about the whole deal
    Of a computer and 10 thousand Just waiting for someone to take
    The whole thing seems far out
    And this keeping Kiara from knowing mom in any way is just not reasonable
    Meanwhile I really would like to hear Kyron has been found or know what happened to him

  36. grasshopper says:

    great post by vw. adds to our understanding of murder for hire

    http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/

  37. T. Ruth says:

    Not sure why there are no comments showing up, but I am now wondering if this latest *leak* came from the DA’s office. They were told they could not intervene in the Horman divorce, but like I said upthread about KH and what he could and could not say publicly, the DA is able to release whatever the heck they want, I think? Is that true or not, even though the Judge said they could not intervene?

    It does open doors for BunchofHouzes, does it not?

  38. T. Ruth says:

    vw says:
    December 5, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Well Blink,

    Kaine passed his online parenting test! The court docs today had the certificate in it.
    Was he trying to beat TMH to the punch to get in proof in that he passed his five online quizes and test with an 89.5 percent?

    (snipped)

    ******************

    His “online test?” I gotta wonder, was Josh Powell required to take such a test and did he pass?

  39. vw says:

    @Sam

    No. Not in the file on Thursday. But when Anna says “filed” she could mean when given to the clerk, and “entered” does not mean in the file, proper, necessarily either. There is a gap that is sometimes day, or even more before a document gets into the fileroom file.

    The clerks there at the courthouse are state employees. Overworked and underpaid. And the filing doesn’t get done overnight.

    Who faxes these docs to whom. Well, all I know is that if it doesn’t have a date filed on it and/or it has a fax trail on top then Anna got it either from Kaine, the law office, or someone else closely involved with the case.

    Since Kaine has been told to watch it, and since that document really does not put him in a good light, i would say it was Rackner’s doing. Just a guess. Or maybe the DA’s office.

  40. Rose says:

    @Blink. wrt “AND… the FAPA RO was dropped after it had been renewed.. HELLO?
    B”
    I can’t imagine the FAPA RO–based on RSE’s mfh story–being dropped if RSE was credible.

    I am not sure how folks may not be seeing that this is the equivalent of the man behind the green curtain in Emerald City.

    I agree that you are correct that it is an attempt to tie in previous statements and have Kitty in her Mother’s care while allegedly committing a felony, but I want to remind people.. We know that this allegation was a part of a grand jury- I presume did not end in a true bill.

    We now know that this is the basis for the ex parte RO-

    Kaine bought this?

    Not only that, it contradicts his affidavit. He said he did not know how his wife tried to off him.. This states specifically that there was specific discussion of “making it look like a mugging”.

    I stand by my assertion. This is Kaine’s best fumblerooski.

    Excelsior!
    B

  41. vw says:

    Just a thought.

    Kaine would be in danger, I would think, if people reading this thought he carried that kind of cash on his person. Especiallly meth addicts, and there are plenty around here.

    So why put that in an official document? If Kaine denies it now, who would believe him without questioning the “recollections” of Rudy? That would make his whole depo suspect.

    Another thought. Unless Judge K let the perpetual depo go through Houze must have crossed with a LOT of intensity at this depo.

    So, it is really Engel’s selection of Rudy’s answers that he has included in this response to the Motion to Show Cause.

    Interesting that this depo does not get the “scrutiny” that public disclosure of Dede’s complete depo did.

  42. Rose says:

    That $10,000K Deere was a nice gift to his team Terri (only he didn’t
    know she subcontracted).

    1) was her work wagon in her name?
    2) did he place the max yearly in her IRA
    (employees get retirement benefits)
    3) did this model have a baby seat for Kiara & booster
    seat security for Kyron?

  43. Rose says:

    @ ” grasshopper says:
    December 7, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    is it a coincidence that this came out friday evening, after courthouse is closed, attys offices are closed so no response is possible. whole weekend to ferment in the public arena.
    None. Jose Beaez playbook 101. B”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-66/#comment-2209098

    Why not the 6 pm Friday news?
    The Jewish Sabbath begins after Sunset Friday.
    Is Kantor observant?

    Btw Blink thanks to BOC I knew an answer tonite for “galoot.”
    Tis “baffoon,” used here from time to time. A few in this case.

  44. Rose says:

    @Susie- Q. I’m referring to what is currently the 3rd pic down on the Tell the Truth FB whose url I posted just above, from a vigil likely in Feb 2011. I’m Not carefully scrubbing tho. Looks like QMcC’s own pics of himself on line.

  45. RedRose says:

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/Details-in-alleged-plot-to-kill-Kyron-Hormans-father-234865231.html

    The Landscaper Speaks …..ooooh, how exciting. Not.
    Must have been a slow news day — there are 88 comments, most of them having the commenting people attacking each other.

    I always wonder if SZ reads or comments on any of them. Or if he is even HERE, disguised as a normal person.

  46. Rose says:

    @Suzie-Q, I suspect my mobile site, & I do not sign into FB,
    looks different from your view.
    Standing alone. Posted Feb 9. (earlier year)

  47. erose says:

    The information we received in the form of a news article was apparently taken from court documents of RSE’s depo. If that is true, all we know is this is the story RSE told, the one that inspired the sting…or was it the other way around. This is so tiring, what is the point?

  48. Rose says:

    About the written story & writing competence.
    BA from Pepperdine in “broadcast journalism” & business.
    No hard copy journalism degree, no grad degree.
    Prescription: a Northwestern journalism Masters…
    with an elective ethics course.
    Who’s that girl from Brown who did time in the trenches as a Clackamus’ correspondent?
    A beautiful (mentally) investigator & writer, also Asian. wasn’t she with Willamette Week?
    Waiting waiting on WWeek. to reform PPS & MCSO & DA & Courts. Maybe after wife is Gov.

  49. Rose says:

    @Grasshopper…a pearl of great price.
    @Malty….a sight for sore eyes.
    @ATG….a more elegant writer than any Brown grad.

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