Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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A link to an updated Oregon Live article about the timeline of Kyron Horman’s disappearance and investigation:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
From the article it shows that on June 25, 2004, 21 days after Kyron disappeared, Desiree is quoted as saying, “It’s like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it.”
If all things are true then as of 21 days after the disappearance it was not yet known that Kyron left the school with Terri and Kiara OR Desiree knows that Kyron returned to the school after Terri left.
I believe shortly after that ( someone correct me if I got this wrong) she mentioned the sighting of Kyron seen outside next to Kaine’s truck. Except, it wasn’t Kaine’s truck, which was verified to be elsewhere.
And yes, she is aware that Kyron was inside the school again post TH departure. I don’t expect given her recent statements that she is going to admit that.
B
Well thank goodness it is still an active investigation and that grand jury is at the ready when that last piece of the puzzle falls into their laps. I am sure the tips they are getting from all over the world will help in the indictment of TH, maybe even DDS. Maybe those international tips are due to the convoy of overseas people visiting the SF on June 4, 2010 in Skyline, OR because it was after all an IB event. I am however confused that one of the two still active officers on the case is a former CARD agent. I though Kyron disappeared, why would they need an abduction specialist? Any day now….
Why a retired FBI agent? I am going to assume then that the individual holds a PI license to access investigative information.
I cannot believe no reporter has asked the question about the “empaneled” gj. It’s the second gj- I mean, they covered the first, hello?
B
Thinking about DY — all of those people defending her so vehemently and hating TM so violently: what if all of those people find out that their faith in DY is totally misplaced?
i.e., how can they continue to defend her and hate TM if it is found to be a definite fact that someone else more closely connected to DY than TM took Kyron ?
RedRose- provoking post of the day for me. Taylor Swift says it best- “Cause the hater’s gonna hate, hate, hate.”
Not being glib, but in this case it is true. As an example- wasn’t there a petition for an update and clarification to the DA on Kyron’s case? Where is that status?
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Desiree writing to her public on Missing Kyron & World Soldiers states she was in the Horman home Monday 6/7, standing next to “the devil who took him.”
States Porter had an “excused” email from Terri.
Unfortunately I don’t believe anything DY says, much less about Terri.
Nor do I think Terri would send a written excuse if she were the perpetrator,
because that screams arrest me.
Perhaps she sent Porter a written reminder to complete the dr’s forms.
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btw mcso did set aside that $50,000 in summer 2010, but in Fall articles referred to a separate donated $85,000.
But Kaine’s Fdtn on Guidestar did not have that amount but much less, so where did the $85,000 go?
Well, it looks like DY is on a roll.
“email that excused him” – For what day, June 4, June 11, or another day? Specifics please.
“Desiree Davidson Young Hi all-Kyron’s mom here-the new law was enacted after Kyron went missing and because Kyron went missing, a close friend Sal Esquivel helped us to write a law and pass it, to require schools to report a child being absent. With Kyron, we got the call from his Friday absence on the following Monday, after he had been missing for 3 days. Gut wrenching moment for me at the house. All while standing next to the devil that took him and knew what happened. Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That’s why the school didn’t question it further. It’s Terri’s fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline’s.
As far as security cameras, Chown Hardware, a sub-contracting company I used to work with in Portland, so kindly donated the camera system now in Skyline, after he’d been missing. They installed it free to the school, prior to the start of the next school year.”
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The last day of school at Skyline that year appears to have been Tuesday, June 15, 2010.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_ca.html
For those who do not know what law DY is referring to ( and if I am reading this correctly, is taking credit for writing it)
Here is the act that passed in 2011:
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2011R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB3197
Here is the timeline: http://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2011/HB3197/
I’ll leave y’all to your diligence as to the veracity of her response by researching the public hearings, steps, etc. I will say that it is a positive outcome to Kyron’s case overall, but because Kyron WAS at the school that day, I am not sure had this been in effect that it would have triggered it.
The email is certainly interesting, I presume she is referring to an email account from the school that was subsequently deleted.
I think it likely she is referring to an email sent to Porter regarding whether or not Kyron’s project needed to be picked up that day.
Now, let me ask you a question- don’t you think it odd that someone who “secreted” her child hours earlier, who did not think to take his jacket or bookbag, both of which were hanging in Porter’s plain sight, would send an email like that to prompt a response ” since you already took Kyron home no need to come back, or words to that effect.”
Or- depending on the time it was sent, – maybe something like “if you are planning on bringing him back for the talent show, that time would be ok to pick it up. Thus prompting a response from TH- he is not with me, what are you talking about?
Lastly- not legally advisable to renounce liability of Skyline School when her claim might be preserved otherwise because she lacked knowledge of the perp, etc. I mean, wasn’t it the principal who saw her and Kiara leave without Kyron.
Lastly lastly- Kyron was seen both outside following Terri’s departure and then inside the school by multiple witnesses prior to the last sighting of him I am personally aware of, after he departed through the South entrance.
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Posted by DY on the world soldiers FB.
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Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That’s why the school didn’t question it further. It’s Terri’s that KY is missing today not Skylines’s.
https://www.facebook.com/WeSupportJusticeforKyronHorman/posts/754061418039927
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So the question is what was the stated date of the appointment in said email?
I can’t believe TH would be stupid enough to mention a Dr’s appt on 6/11 if she knew she had sent an email to Ms Porter saying KY’s appt was for the 6/4t. She would know that that would be the first thing Porter would turn over to LE. This does not make sense to me if said email even exists.
Also if you were a criminal mastermind and planning to secretly abduct someone would you create an email that would point straight to you.
IMO something smells here.
This seems to be the crux of their case.
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Questions arose over the truthfulness of Moulton’s account after she was asked by authorities to take a polygraph test twice. Her cell phone records also didn’t match where she said she was on the day Kyron disappeared.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/30/five-years-after-kyron-horman-vanished-authorities-hope-reward-brings-break-in/
And they can’t even get that right. She was asked by LE to take 3 tests.
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About Terri? 4,000 tips? How many people have information. This is what bothers me. There were appox 300 people including children at the SF. How could TH taking Kyron from the SF involve so many people from such a diverse pool? It just doesn’t jibe.
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“Over 4,000 tips have been received by MCSO regarding Kyron,” read the statement from the Sheriff’s Office. “Tips from around the United States and globally arrive to MCSO on nearly a daily basis.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/30/five-years-after-kyron-horman-vanished-authorities-hope-reward-brings-break-in/
@tony. I’m with your theory, but throw in Fire & Rescue housed down the street as another gov’t protectee possibility
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Mom 3.00 says:
May 29, 2015 at 12:49 am
“maybe the way to help Desiree is for all those who are not “them”
to finally stand up in unison to be the ones who volunteer who offer support – money -time and efforts to DY and familyat the same time letting her know – they are not there to hat/blame Th but to support DY KY etc perhaps forming a peaceful “no sides” clean-up crew for Kyrons makeshift memorial could be a start or even taking part in a car wash
Maybe it is in the “othersides” hands to show Dy and co. that she need not solely rely upon “them” and their hate or even shared hate”
You too are very kind. I started to think what woukd I do to offer DY volunteer alternatives if I resided in Portland.
But, first, the allegedly worn down Wall is not connected to her–it’s Kaine’s site choice & his memorial. And, personally I think if Kaine can go workout at Edge multiple times weekly, and do nanny photo ops there at holidays to benefit his Foundation, he’s able-bodied enough to schedule a regular monthly clean up and care with his associates & social activity circles. Or he should take it down.
Second I could not send money to a nontransparent gofundme account with no oversight. And in any case, she says that money’s for “searches.” Ditto the car wash $ are for “searches.”
The Third thing you mention, searches, are not based on new intel or LE direction and appear to be about media ops. So as a well-intended member of the public, I would not feed in to what I see as her delusional thinking.
The final (after money & search & immediate gratification and positive reinforcement on social media), and I submit primary activity these groupie women bring to Desiree is stalking behavior of Terri and her associates in multiple cities–Roseburg, Portland, Eugene, Klamath Falls–from homes to Courthouse corridors.
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So if I lived in Portland what would I do?
If she went to visit the DA or Sheriff by appointment to ask for fresh eyes and assignment to another LE agency, I’d gather a group, don a shirt, make posters with that request, and escort her to & from her appointmrnts.
If she went in Public Comment time to the MC Commissioners’ mtg or to a PPS school board meeting to ask for same and embarrass MCSO to turning the investigation over to the FBI, I’d do ditto.
There are many productive behaviors Desiree could undertake to advance the investigation that generous locals would likely rush to co-advocate and co-testify with her. She has never been interested as far as I can tell. Even with water, well-meaning people can’t make a horse drink.
In an earlier post she claims that she wrote House 3197, which was then sponsored by Rep. E. If that is true, and he is a good family friend, why not seek his help to garner progress in Kyron’s case? I have actually done that in the past with results.
If DY wanted to seek appointments to progress Kyron’s case with an objective approach- in other words- I don’t care where the intel leads as long as it leads to Kyron- I would personally advocate for her to accomplish that.
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that’s @ tIny!
@erose. worldwide “tips”–Desiree once said she had to look at photos of boys to rule out their being her son.
probably mostly here’s a boy with glasses stuff generated by FB like Soldiers. The delusional thinking is that Sheriff Staton represents his processing random worldwide tips is actually “investigation.” It is not. And Bernstein never points that out.
“The email is certainly interesting, I presume she is referring to an email account from the school that was subsequently deleted”
Yep. So reliance placed by mcso on Porter’s word & memory,
probably as passed on by a Union attorney.
And TH’s records. Although I presume the counter argument would be that it can no longer be validated due to the “erasure”. That said, I have never heard of a system that could be unilaterally erased whose contents could not be recovered from a server through several LE database options.
Additionally- isn’t DY speaking for Porter in that statement? Who is following up with her from this “disclosure”?
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@Blink. Are you saying his last sighting was after he exited
the South entrance to help a male, & you have spoken to
the person who saw him outside at that location?
I have interviewed witnesses, and reviewed some LE correspondence involving same, who saw Kyron exit with SZ and did not see him after that. As far as I know, and I believe is consistent with what LE and the DA tried to keep out of the divorce/custody case, is that Kyron was not seen inside Skyline following that.
B
fine analysis
erose says:
May 30, 2015 at 12:38 am
The blurb about the 2nd GJury, which has been sitting for 2-3 years (aren’t there limits?)
sounds like it was designed by some hotshot deputy who fancies himself a behavioral
specialist as it seems designed to strike fear into Terri’s heart and to grab Houze’s attention almost
as a challenge. It’s an attempt to get the current steady state defense system off its dime.
And I suspect this Deputy’s psychological venture is being carried out in concert with moves & accusations to
come by Desiree and The Stalkers (sounds like a one chorus Band name) to “put pressure on Terri” so she
will make a misstep. The pressure of who will say what for $50,000 is part of it imo.
Exactly. Yes, there are terms for both the empaneled time and in some cases, length of service of the juror. Alright Rose use those research powers of yours in the budget arena in Underhill’s office. By my calculations, if true, this jury has been empaneled since June 2013.
B
Why can’t I cheat as a minion and rely on you?
Is a term 2 years? If so, expiring June 2015?
lol, because your skillset in that arena is stronger than mine. I can tell you what OR statute is- but in my view, a second empaneled jury is already breaking the rules. I have not seen a single reporter identify (and confirm) that this is the second jury. Nothing on the books I am aware of to sit 2 years, unless when empaneled, those regs and terms were specified to follow the term of the court, or otherwise, and then there is the whole “investigative grand jury” possibility which does not identify a suspect specifically. Can he suspend and reactivate the same folks? Technically if he is within the gj rules under state, yes.
If this is the same jury that heard DDS testimony, and questioned her, then someone needs to explain 1) why it was empaneled when we know there was a jury that heard the case in 2010, and both Staton and Underhill are on the record using the language that could only be interpreted as the reasoning to introduce evidence that had already been the subject of gj that was dismissed. That says no bill to me, and I believe that vehemently. The law is clear about presentation of same evidence-
B
wrt “And TH’s records.”
Terri’s email records were on Kaine’s home computer.
under his control–doubt he let her take it with her.
But, I bet LE took it with their original taking of
stuff from the house before Houze was even hired & coukd
copy the hard drive.
And if true this could lead back to Kaine as he doubtless
had her e-address and password–and didn’t Desiree say
she sent different, shorter emails that day? Could be a male
writing style/change of author sent to mislead.
“Additionally- isn’t DY speaking for Porter in that statement? Who is following up with her from this “disclosure”?”
Didn’t Pitkin get the boot?
Last man standing is Jacquiss, and he has had zero interest.
he does govt exposes when it serves political interests.
imo He’d never go after Shrunk/Frink/Underhill or judicial corruption
with Judges like Meisenheimer/Kantor. Or Rackner.
Probably after AG, Ellen wants a Federal
judge post requiring Wyden & mcda & le &
union endorsements. Or if she runs for anything again, she needs her Dem synagogue-
associate donor base.
about the cell phone records.
I still like the stingray possibility in a tech sophisticate’s hands localizing her
cell pings to a preplanned squirrelly location.
Great post. Amen.
Mom3.0 says:
May 29, 2015 at 12:11 am
After looking around, I confess I need a url to 2012-15 line items wrt wmpaneled grand juries
2014-2015
p 8
Administration of GJ is under Rees, Div III
https://multco.us/file/35368/download
I can’t read this stuff to find a GJ line item but p61-62 covers the GJ
https://multco.us/file/35368/download
I’ve found what I’d do as a local volunteer for Kyron and that is get myself on the Citizens’ Budget Advisory Board for MCDA and hold the agency accountable across the board wrt budget on all Office functions.
and ask about expense for dormant empaneled GJs.
Mult Cty 7 per panel grand jurors just sit for a month generally,
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Jury_Service/pages/grandjury.aspx
so a 2 year, 7 person GJ would have had roughly 168 persons in service, or more if some had to be excused, serving on the DA’s mission to “indict Terri,” resulting in little institutional memory for “demeanor of witnesses,” and relying on transcripts for final output data.
That system doesn’t work for me at usaa whose business model is the next young person in the phone bullpen “takes notes” on the issue at hand but never reads back the last 20-30 notes from prior conversations about the same problem. Lost $1,000 wiretransferred to savings of my son that way, and can’t get my only car claim processed & car repaired. No one is responsibke; no one is in charge.
MCDA’s 3 Grand Juries meeting over years with 7 panelists of various people moving in and out of testimony reminds me of USAA’s rotating “anybody on the phone will do cause we take notes” system.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Jury_Service/pages/juror_handbook.aspx
BTW someone tell me who these F’ing (sorry) GJ judges have been? Any bets on Meisenheimer (as Sr J), or god help us Kantor rotating onto criminal bench to get some experience?
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gov’t fighting the cost of recording GJs:
http://www.corvallisoregon.gov/council/mail-archive/ward1/msg24382.html
term can be as short as two weeks
MCDA swears in 3 new groups every month
(aargh–USAA bullpen revisited)
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“In 2014, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office operated 6,168 hours of grand jury proceedings over 13 terms while handling 5,136 cases with 4,399 defendants. During those grand jury proceedings, 9,331 witnesses appeared and 3,977 indictments resulted.
Implementation of a system to record these grand jury proceedings would require both one-time set up costs for the purchase and installation of recording equipment infrastructure, as well as ongoing costs to operate the recording equipment, transcribe recordings, perform case review of transcripts, and provide regular maintenance of equipment and software systems.
In Multnomah County, the one-time costs of purchasing the required recording equipment and computer hardware and software is estimated at $5,993 per recording location, or $23,972 for the four locations currently used within the Multnomah County Courthouse. ”
The MCSA cost for an accurate record is chump change budgetarily. Of course, accurate recording would disasvantage the MCDA and asvantage the Ham Sandwich.
Well, don’t you think DDS was the new investigative lead (aka witness) Staton or whoever once referred to & likely the excuse for a new GJ “go”?
“If this is the same jury that heard DDS testimony, and questioned her, then someone needs to explain 1) why it was empaneled when we know ….”
I absolutely do, but that’s my point. It does not qualify as “new” because she WAS subpoenad for the first gj, but never called to testify.
B
Republican from Medford seeking $25/head gofundmes while obscuring himself as recipient
http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/articles/articleView/id:17860/current_page:
Quizzical says:
May 30, 2015 at 2:03 am
(snipped)
Blink says:
The email is certainly interesting, I presume she is referring to an email account from the school that was subsequently deleted.
and-
Rose says:
May 30, 2015 at 12:22 pm
(snipped)
Blink says:
And TH’s records. Although I presume the counter argument would be that it can no longer be validated due to the “erasure”. That said, I have never heard of a system that could be unilaterally erased whose contents could not be recovered from a server through several LE database options.
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I’m pretty sure I said this way back when, and obviously the context has changed and the years are wrong, but . . .
I retired from PPS in 2001. Several years later I went back to help in the counseling department. I called IT to ask for an email address since I was told mine was deleted when I ceased to be an employee. IT said I already had an email address so they couldn’t give me a new one. I borrowed a school computer, logged into my original employee email address and, lo and behold, I had over 900 emails which had been coming in regularly, and NO erased emails unless I had personally deleted them myself before I retired. (Gave us a good laugh.) Undeleted emails were still there. I suspect the deleted ones were still there somewhere as well.
By the way – I had log in information from PPS when I was working that gave me access to my PPS email account from anywhere, and I did log in from home a number of times. I quit trying when I thought I was removed from the system.
It’s possible they made a huge computer program change which changed the deletion protocol, but they also would have had a lot of complaints from staff who saved certain emails for resources and contacts. I also wonder if the legal department would go for that sort of policy because I was sued (part of a group) once for the loss of jewelry at a volleyball practice after school and which I never attended, and the legal people wanted everything I had that was related. I’m also aware of employee internet indiscretions which were later investigated. Losing emails could just as easily be harmful to some legal cases for the district as it could be beneficial.
Therefore, I have a VERY hard time believing all emails would be deleted within a few weeks of the end of the school year in order to regain storage space – which is what we heard at first.
If they were referring to deleting log on/log off information, they probably wouldn’t save much space, but that would have told you who read what and when. As far as I know, we’ve never seen a list of exactly what information was missing, and I thought at one time they had said there WAS other information they were going to get – but didn’t specify what that was either.
I would like to know if LE ever actually got a subpoena to look at PPS records for the week of June 4th or did they just ask if certain information was available, or did they get one and then give up when told the information was deleted. If you subpoenaed records, and were told they were not available, wouldn’t you still have the right to have your own expert look at what WAS available, to verify that statement if nothing else?
Once again, just based on my own experience.
I don’t know if they got a subpoena, they may have done permission based searches, etc. I sincerely hope they did not go that route, however and considering the FBI was involved, I am not even sure I believe the announcement about the deletions.
Unequivocally, DY statement that TH sent an email to Porter excusing Kyron’s absence for that day is verifiable or deniable.
As I have not seen the email DY is referencing, and I am 100% positive she is not going to indicate that it was shown to her, here we are again.
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@ Blink: How frustrating it must be for you, having information that contradicts what is being publicly released.
I hope at some point you write another article with updates and clarifications.
What makes me a shitty journalist but a great analyst (not being haughty- I feel it is important to praise the man for his given gifts) is that I cannot and will not ever scoop anything that could compromise a case ultimately- most especially in a mp case. I have faith our wee man will be found someday, and the person or persons responsible will be brought to justice. That said, as much as I train myself to detach emotionally it is ABSOLUTELY frustrating. Let me say why- I vehemently believe that MCSO could progress REAL leads in this case and recover this sweet child.
And by that I mean, admitting, or posturing that their investigation is refocused and their plans going forward. I am convinced that acknowledgement, and engaging the public appropriately will crack this case.
Maddening. I choose to believe it is part of his/our journey.
B
Amys Sister says:
May 29, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Bringing this forward from Missing Kyron Horman FB page:
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“Ms Porter had an email that excused Kyron, email was from Terri herself. That’s why the school didn’t question it further. It’s Terri’s fault that Ky is missing today not Skyline’s.”
Maybe it’s just DY’s style of writing but she is not saying here that TH took/disappeared Kyron she says it is TH’s fault he disappeared. So maybe she thinks that even if TH was not directly involved in Kyrons disappearance it’s still her fault it happened.
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“With Kyron, we got the call from his Friday absence on the following Monday, ”
We did get 1 question answered it was talked about here that TH may have received the call from Skyline that Kyron was absent on June 4 but chose to ignore it. DY says that the call was displaced until the following Monday.
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Desiree Davidson Young This timeline is not accurate, stay tuned folks. Watch for the 5 year vigil on the 4th.”
As far as the timeline correction if that is true why aren’t we hearing about it from MCSO and why doesn’t DY just inform the media of the timeline correction. Actually you could ask the same question about the email.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=825449750878281&id=161645780592018&comment_id=825498454206744&offset=0&total_comments=3&comment_tracking={%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22}
i think DY is just trying to get a lot of viewers for her 5 year media appearance on June 4 and get donations to the gofundme flowing. Those searches are not cheep and just because the site says its has collected 28k so far doesn’t mean they have 28k left after past searches.
I’m teal again. A silly thing, I know, but I smiled.
Positively fetching. I agree, lol. (I have NO control of that though)
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Bringing this Blink post forward so no one misses it:
May 29, 2015 at 2:56 pm
AS- to my knowledge based on witnesses who were interviewed by LE similarly- Kyron was seen outside briefly during the release of butterflies by the garden plantings, this is after TH has left, and I have independently confirmed it was him and not the child that resembles him. From there, he was seen in the electrical display room ( there were 2 actually, but as previously reported he was witnessed exiting with SZ).
He never left the school with TH. There is no witness I am aware of that has ever said that, in fact, the principal watched Terri and Kiara leave. I believe the theory ( after they learned Kyron was asked to help get something from his truck) was that TH was parked on the access road ( meaning she moved from the shoulder where witnesses confirmed she was parked originally) and that was debunked by the groundskeeper on live coverage, as well as confirmed when TH was seen on CCTV and produced associated receipts. I wish I agreed with you that DY would not make untruthful statements. I have known her to do that repeatedly in this case, unfortunately. That said, I know and trust your mental files, lol.
Bottom line here- NONE OF THIS, yet again, is designed to progress a proper investigation into Kyron’s case. If they truly have not, LE and the DA owe this Mother some truth.
B
What I can remember, when my son was in school in the Beaverton area, if he was absent and I hadn’t called in an excused absence, we would get a Robocall late afternoon, early evening – same day. If I called or previously notified of doc appt or illness, we got no call about unexcused absence.
So it is odd that DY says Ms Porter claims she was sent an excused absence email by TH, but yet Kyron’s name was put on the Robocall list (as DY claimed was called out three days later.) That is not the district’s protocol for unexcused absences. This unexcused absence call info just doesn’t ring truthful somewhere.
Just to clarify TKG- Ms. Porter is not making any claim- DY young is.
B
Appreciate the kind words Blink Erose & Rose
Rose, yes I realize I dont have the answers- I only gave suggestions that are devoid blame and hate
Its not hard for me to understand why DY continues to ask money for searches-
She needs to find Kyron- LE hasnt done so in 5 years and regardless of any new evidence she as a Mom of a missing child can not allow herself to give up all hope.
I imagine she believes along these lines:
“You know nothing about Hope, that immortal, delicious maiden forever courted forever propitious, whom fools have called deceitful, as if it were Hope that carried the cup of disappointment, whereas it is her deadly enemy, Certainty, whom she only escapes by transformation.”
GEORGE ELIOT
The truth is Kyron may still be out there although that is not likely
DY needs to believe in the hope that he is
Hope against all odds can be seen as delusional true
For me I think about
Amanda Berry- her mother tirelessly searched for her- – although she feared daily that Amanda was dead it was that little smidge of hope that kept her going- and when that hope became harder to hold onto and then diminished completely-cruelly ripped from her -in front of a tv audience- .. Amandas mom gave up… and some say because of lost hope she died from a broken heart.
Sadly according to Amandas journals she watched the moment her mothers hope gave way to despair and resignation When the psychic gave her info of what everyoneelse “knew” there was no way Amanda could be alive years after her disappearance— its healthier for her to realize this so she could heal.. She was told essentially to stop searching for her daughter to abandon all hope to give up the delusion –
The hope was keeping her going-
Ofcourse
The truth was Amanda was alive- and her mothers searching her hope is what gave Amanda hope and strength too-
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So even though yr thoughts have merit as I fully understand the logic in you and others questioning DY her searches and not wanting to lend an effort or one coin to her delusions-
I commend those who regardless of logic or convictions can see the good that offering some support can give to a person who is struggling to carry on
you wrote:
There are many productive behaviors Desiree could undertake to advance the investigation that generous locals would likely rush to co-advocate and co-testify with her. She has never been interested as far as I can tell. Even with water, well-meaning people can’t make a horse drink.
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understood, keeping in mind Rose the very same thing could and has been said IRT TH-
Should we rescind our support OF TH *until* she can make herself more available more helpful?
Im sure many feel the way you do about GFM and rightly so
Prhaps instead of funding GFM those who wish to help could add to the reward?
To me it matters not whther the memorial is Dys doing or KH -
If the community can see the need for upkeep- wouldnt it be right to offer help?
As for KH and his working out at the gym- “instead of” keeping up the memorial- I dont see it that way- i see a father- a man trying to keep some semblance of normalcy – trying to be the best him for himself for his daughter and for his love- would his time be better spent focusing in on all things Kyron at all times?
IDTS no-
as for his Christmas pics I thought they were well intentioned – I didnt see them as a photo op but a way to remember while carrying on together….
could he manage to balance all? perhaps – To me it seems he is trying-
I dont have the answers I just want to help Im sure everyone does ..Im just tired of the blame and hate
Thinking..About the upkeep=
“They need to clean up that Wall of Horman fence over by Burger King near 158th and Cornell. It’s an eyesore. ”
perhaps that commenter or another local could become the “they” organize a crew to volunteer – not for KH sake- but for Kyron and for the community for all who lent their time their thoughts their items their prayers to the wall-
The site need not be an eyesore but a reminder to the children to the community – to LE to the perp
we havent forgotten
we still care
we still hope
We will never give up
we will never surrender
AJMO peace
@Mom 3.0
Enough lurking for you things are happening
What I wondered is these 2 men out side by the truck with Kyron Were they ever IDed
or stretches done
The scarey guy by the garbage dumpster was he IDed
How about a man with 2 little girls walking with Kyron. Same thing
Just seems like lots of men seen that day
Dy and another mystery email. Why not tell everybody sooner
Or if she knows some one saw Kyron leave with Terri and Kiara why has she waited to tell
The LE and FBI were suppose to be in and out of that house
@ Rose
When I go to the world soldiers site I just look for something just newly posted Those older articles and stuff I skip past So I could be missing info or new comments That you see
I was never very interested in that site Roseburg KFalls and Eugene Was enough for me Until Kelly and Family called my attention to it last week
That Radionewz site is hard to read for me I can’t tell if it is just comments or what I am not login to any place
Even try to shop at places where you can buy as a guest
test wifi
Yes ma’am. Glad you got it worked out.
B
After viewing Rep Esquivel’s $25/head money-making enterprise off the public who want to send an email message to legislator(s), he may also be Desiree’s source of bad advice to set up that gofundme.
MCSA sure knows how to publicize some No True Bills:
http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=3241
investigative GJ
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/special-or-investigative-grand-jury.html
used for organized crime or political corruption
I thought this was interesting. (I haven’t noticed it being posted.)
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/oregon_prosecutors_challenge_b.html
“Oregon prosecutors challenge current bill that would require grand jury recordings and offer their own”
A bill this session before the joint Ways and Means Committee would require the recording of grand jury hearings in felony cases. The Oregon District Attorneys Association is opposed, and has scheduled a news conference at 10:30 a.m. Thursday to offer its alternative. (Michelle Brence/The Oregonian)
By Maxine Bernstein | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on May 13, 2015 at 7:03 PM, updated May 14, 2015 at 9:43 AM
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It occurred to me that one way to indirectly check on jury(s) status might be through juror names. I wasn’t thinking about knowing who was on the GJ, so much as the dates those names served. Here is what I found about getting names. I don’t know what information is required for a public records request. Do you have to state a reason? It was just a thought.
Privacy
If you review the information on the How You Were Chosen page, you will see that the State Court Administrator develops the Master List of Jurors from source lists. Oregon Law provides as follows for the privacy of the information taken from the source lists to create the master and resulting term and trial lists:
“ORS 10.215 Master jury list; sources; contents. . . . Except as specifically provided by law, the State Court Administrator and circuit courts may not disclose source lists obtained from private or public entities, and jury lists containing names selected from a source list, to any other person or public entity.. . . .”
There are, at present, two ways specifically provided by law through which your name on a jury list may be revealed to others. The first is through a jury challenge wherein a court orders the release of the information contained in jury lists. The second is through an appropriate public records request. Under either of these approaches the court or the Attorney General may order disclosure of some information including your name and address and dates of service.
Absent a court order or a qualifying public records request, the jury lists containing your name and address will remain confidential as provided by ORS 10.215.
There is a final way someone could obtain information about your jury service. For jurors assigned for a particular trial, during Jury Selection, parties, through their attorneys, are permitted to question prospective jurors. Jury trial proceedings, including the questioning of prospective jurors, are open to the public; anyone in the courtroom will hear the responses to the questions, and the responses will be recorded as a part of the record of the hearing. Recorded jury selection is a part of the public record and available to the public upon request.
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Jury_Service/pages/privacy.aspx
quote from same source:
There are currently three Grand Juries that meet in Multnomah County. The District Attorney’s office presents evidence that would be admissible at trial, and the grand jurors vote to issue a “true bill” if they believe the evidence, if unexplained or uncontroverted, would justify a guilty finding at trial.
Grand jury service is for approximately one month. If you are unable to serve for that period of time, the judge will make a determination whether you may be excused due to hardship. The juries meet at different times of the day. If you are able to serve most days but have an important event to attend, such as a medical appointment, the court may be able to accommodate your schedule.
p4 under Mult Cty Vice Investigation
http://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1184&context=oscdl_cityclub
DA & Sheriff have gotten in hot water before together & the State had to investigate.
Somehow I don’t think Ellen is up for it.
OT
http://www.invw.org/article/oregon-gangs-trafficking-1480
just my opinions
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html#incart_2box
“….cycling out clothes the boy has probably overgrown and bringing in new pants and shirts, even underwear. Horman keeps the room stocked with toys, including Legos and a car collection.
….he still sees a therapist.” Doesn’t look like productive therapy.
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and laying his outreach campaign on a Kdgn sib & exposing her to his groupies is psychological abuse imo
“Kiara often attends, too. They talk to people about Kyron and pass out buttons, fliers and bracelets. They give parents identification cards for their children.”
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Lynne, of course, asks no follow up Qs.
Nice of Beenstein to share her online Comments performance review topic cow with Lynne.
“Kaine Horman said his ex-wife told him that she stumbled over questions about where Kyron went when he left school”
How did mcso expect her to know that answer?
Exactly. More importantly, I would like to know during which polly those questions were asked, although I presume #1.
B
“Coming Sunday: What Kyron Horman’s mother, Desiree Young, plans next.” Lynne Terry
Slow summer comment click season? goodness only knows what mother plans next. It will involve money tho imo.
As I mull over reasoning on why DY might be deceitful about numerous emails she claims TH wrote over the years, it dawns on me… anyone can CLAIM they have emails saying anything. I could, for example, claim DY told Ms Porter in an email that she was going to pick up Kyron June 4 for visitation, but that doesn’t make it a fact. I would expect everyone to demand I prove it. Why is DY given a ‘pass’ and not required to PROVE her allegations of these emails, if she want’s intelligent people to believe her? It is not helping to ‘find Kyron’ to continue the gossip, misinformation, and hate mongering. It only turns honest and caring people away from her son’s missing case. Why would she do this?
Until someone produces the incriminating emails by TH, they are truly just as bogus as DY ever showing up at Kyron’s school to pick him up… just sayin’.
I am glad KH is suggesting other investigative avenues besides beating it out of TH, or beating TH, or beating (well you know).
He seems happy with the brick the school, who had responsibilty for Kyron that day, is using to honor him with. If they lose k, maybe he will be okay with two bricks.
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With the fifth anniversary of his son’s disappearance approaching Thursday, Horman is asking that anyone who knew Kyron – including teachers, baby sitters, friends and friends of friends — sit down again with police and share their recollections.
But some things have changed. Horman is now divorced from Terri Moulton Horman. Their blue-eyed, brown-haired daughter, Kiara, is now 6 years old and about to finish kindergarten. She is attending Skyline School, which has a brick out front dedicated to Kyron.
Horman has faith in the school, and his daughter is doing great, he said. They both are, he said. But they want Kyron home.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html
Ouch. But true.
B
Same article. His mind seems to have opened a crack. Yes, find the man, then figure out whether or not TH was involved.
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Kaine Horman said detectives are no longer focused on her. He believes someone helped his ex-wife, though neither she nor anyone else has ever faced charges in the case.
“She has become a dead end as far as making progress,” Horman said. “Someone else was involved. There’s someone we don’t know about.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html
Same article. Previously, this was reported as 4 mil, now we’re down to two. With a 2 mil give or take, I guess we can surmise it was 2 mil hit, give or take 2 mil.
Tips continue to pour into his foundation’s website, BringKyronHome.org. At one point in late May there were so many clicks – more than 2 million in a few days – that the site collapsed.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html
Kaine speaks out on 5th anniversary of disappearance.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html#incart_2box
^^ on above link ^^
QUOTE:
“She has become a dead end as far as making progress,” Horman said. “Someone else was involved. There’s someone we don’t know about.”
And bam… there it is… and this is why so many media sites are pulling back on the ‘blame TH’ headlines…
Desiree is starting to reveal some of the circumstances around Kyron’s disappearance that she, Tony and Kaine have known about since the early weeks of the investigation. I suspect we will learn more in the next couple of months.
Grace- as you know I respect you highly- but without hesitation, having interviewed direct witnesses in this case as well as reviewed some correspondence between them and LE, I can safely say that if you are considering DY’s “new information” as factually accurate, it is not.
Kaine is speaking out, albeit obtusely ( his way) that LE considers TH a dead end in Kyron’s case. In my view, and professional opinion, for now, that is as close to a backtrack we are going to get.
B
The same commenter on Lynne Terry’s latest article says “Time to clean up the Fence…. It’s garbage.”
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I look at the 44 pics & see a plastic tacky eyesore. The people who planted the colorful plastic artifacts, tied stuffed animals to trees, applied glitter to messages, love the sight.
What I wonder is what hold Kaine has on Briede that he permits this large space to be devoted to a chaotic plastic jungle on an otherwise classy property?