Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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Referring to
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html
Sorry, bumble, will do better. Usually I write in “Notes” and post it over, but I found going back & forth to Notes on a tiny borrowed 5.0 a pain. But, I am too often sloppy with no excuse.
Not sure which of my posts you refer to, but in several I referred to the O article on Dad written by Bernstein. It is error-ridden & ambiguous. I attribute that not only to the writer but also more likely than not to “ground rules” set in advance by Kaine, ie that Bernstein should use No quote marks, or Few and only preapproved direct quote marks to comply with his Stipulation. Only things like I want resolution or We miss him have direct quote marks, yet Bernstein goes on and on with material apparently from Kaine, intermingled worh her memories or old articles and not differentiating which is which. My guess is she did not interview him in person or by phone, but they exchanged emails.
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Imo since Kaine is aware of a male SZ, Terri needs to go to Court & get a restraining order on his press statements wet to minir Kiara, as he is notifying SZ & nut jobs she can be found at Skyline as well as among chaotic, unscreened public car shows and festivals he advertises on the BKH site. That irresponsible public speech–and dragging her to fairs for a traumatically missing brother (forever associated with missing mother & grandparents) to meet & greet & id potentially kidnappable children, in a media interview is one indicia he should not have full sole custody. As is the home shrine. She’s too young to object like Quinn did.
And the physical description of the child- sheesh.
B
“I mean- is it that illogical to follow up a comment like Kaine’s- where he finally confirms there is a SZ with a “what makes you think that?”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-208/#comment-2244348
I believe a reason for no followup is this was email exchange and that was one of Kaine’s several ground rules.
In addition to no unapproved direct quotes, or
Here are the 3 direct quotes you can use.
It is unfortunate Lynne’s performance rwevew is based on digital clicks & her Comment interactions rather than the journalistic quality of her writing.
“It is my understanding they ere camped out there for days, as well as several Medford detectives from Tony’s”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
IN the Horman home? Medford PD employees plus Tony & Desiree?
When on 6/4 she & he blamed Terri?
That is insane.
Clearly Terri had the spouse from hell at that point.
WHAT was in Kaine’s head?
Perhaps he left them with her to go to Intel.
Or, he was at the gym, or an allegedly friend of Terri said
on OLive said he visited a longterm lover.
First, no Medford detective was competent in a child kidnapping case.
Second, Tony had no business setting up shop in
Terri’s home, esp with the undercurrent of gatred, and it was no far to kiara at all to
disrupt her home life more.
imo part of the motive for Kaine’s email exchange with the O article writer was to establish he’d be doing nothing special on June 4 as he will be at work & kiara at school. Working out? maybe 5 am? Anyway it’s to provide an excuse in advance for not being at Desiree’s and Stacey’s sides for their media op, which imo is really why the Soldier Spirit is published on FB she is mad at his “choices.”
You would think someone claiming to want the truth would listen to it every once in a while. There is someone they don’t know about, and that is not Th nor DS- and Kaine should know. Once again I ask- where is that DA petition? Looks to me like Kaine confirmed what I tried to long ago.
I see a lot of false regurgitation still. Not helpful.
B
taken together, these 2 suggest LE speculation SZ was a POS employee.
TRuth says @ June 1, 2015 at 1:23 pm
and TRuth says @:
June 1, 2015 at 12:51 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-209/#comment-2244351
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I believe an email note would be very uncommon for most parents in 2010 & certainly a sub-teacher, involved mother.
a handwritten note would have been ingrained into Terri imo from her years with James.
and I don’t think Desiree or Kaine would appreciate the note difference–
or know the school expectations.
imo ATG is most likely to be reading Sara Graham.
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-209/#comment-2244353
wrt to TRuth’s “Whether or not this SZ is related in some way to TMH or DDS or KH or TY or DY is secondary, IMO. WHO is this SZ? Release a description already! I don’t care if this person was so facially nondescript that he looked like 1000 other people. How tall was he? What was he wearing? What color was his hair (if he had any)? What color were his eyes? Did he have facial hair? How old did he appear to be? What was his voice like?” by TRuth
Since it is not released, imo he is unknown BUT as Blink has iften said, his
description is consistant with a number of parent attendees and PPS employees.
So to release it adds nothing but a solicitation to spurious tips about similar tom dick & harrys.
And allows them not to ever call Kyron’s case cold.
B
And the Medford “detective” visitors in the Horman home must be the LE
who chatted about their steroid use in Hormans’ presence? Give, Blink.
I am not sure on that point which LEA’s were discussing it, that part was not shared with me.
B
those who missed it like me til now, might read back:
meg says:
May 31, 2015 at
@ “T. Ruth says:
May 31, 2015 at 1:38 pm
So, it appears that LE is now focused on SZ”
We do not know that AT ALL, and imo it is unlikely.
We have Kaine’s obtuse word only.
S Staton has allowed he has one mostly fulltime employee (likely a River Patrol Rat)
and one retired CARD who was probably a local teammate on the case originally.
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Someone HAS to get this investigation out of Staton’s sandpit.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/06/after_body_found_were_obviousl.html#incart_m-rpt-1
sewage underground pump station?
Imo he was a crime victim.
And local OR LE never did, and imo will not do now, a
professional criminal investigation.
what I meant to say was this article shows the distractibility and
futility of JohnQPublic tip lines in some missing persons criminal cases.
The June 4 wall of hope Young-Rivera event is at 6:30 pm,
not Kaine’s working hours nor kiara’s school day,
and no diff an event from his
pushing that kindergardner into his milling crowds
festival & car show outreaches.
Check and mate to Desiree on June 4 then.
Rant away folks.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facebook-rants-are-not-criminal-supreme-court-rules/ar-BBkua3n?ocid=ansFortune11
@Rose says:
June 1, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Kaine will be at his “Ford only” car show, I forgot the location, maybe if he hurries, he can make it to the vigil at the Wall as well. Perhaps he might like to introduce his newest to his oldest. Who knows?
I don’t know if DY is telling/remembering the truth. I don’t know if TH did or did not send that email, but the identity of an email sender can be anyone who has the password for the email account. If someone specifically targeted Kyron, they could have hacked (or knew) TH’s email account password and sent Porter that email. If the person was a PPS employee, they could have then deleted information off the school’s system. This could account for Porter saying she received an email from TH, and TH saying she never sent it, if in fact either woman ever made those claims.
Such crap. Soldier Spirit Stacey praises.
I say no Kaine quote since2012?
No quote from Desiree since 2010?
“stepped up investigation?”
MCSO did not say that.
In fact, personnel-wise, the investigation is stepped-down.
So who sent this sound bite to Peopke?
I thot Desiree was on the outs.
Kristen? Eileen? Kristi?
http://www.people.com/article/kyron-horman-police-renew-efforts-find-missing-boy
Rose says:
June 1, 2015 at 7:11 pm
(snipped)
So to release it adds nothing but a solicitation to spurious tips about similar tom dick & harrys.
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Who cares? Add it to the other 4000 tips they allegedly have. It just might bring in the one that actually matters. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it! I don’t understand this non-release crap at all, unless like I said in my post, no one actually saw the last person Kyron was truly with….meaning the dude asking for help was cleared and determined NOT the last person Kyron was with. Release the hounds, I say.
Rose says:
June 1, 2015 at 6:05 pm
“It is my understanding they ere camped out there for days, as well as several Medford detectives from Tony’s”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
IN the Horman home? Medford PD employees plus Tony & Desiree?
When on 6/4 she & he blamed Terri?
That is insane.
Clearly Terri had the spouse from hell at that point.
WHAT was in Kaine’s head?
Perhaps he left them with her to go to Intel.
Or, he was at the gym, or an allegedly friend of Terri said
on OLive said he visited a longterm lover.
First, no Medford detective was competent in a child kidnapping case.
Second, Tony had no business setting up shop in
Terri’s home, esp with the undercurrent of gatred, and it was no far to kiara at all to disrupt her home life more.
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@Rose – Totally agree with you. Surely they didn’t all sleep (or nap) there. The house doesn’t look that big. I can see comforting a colleague, but you know they didn’t all just sit around like friends and not talk “pro” about motive, evidence, and other possibilities.
I’m trying to imagine those conversations. It seems very inconsiderate of them to be there, yet if Terri had complained and asked for more family privacy, that would still be talked about today as something else suspicious that she did. You might as well have asked Charlene Woods and Nancy Grace to join them at dinner.
Reminds me of a friend of mine at church a few weeks ago – she said the music was so boring the only thing she could do was turn off her hearing aid. Maybe Terri just tuned them all out for self-preservation.
I am not sure how much time TH was actually there in the early days as she was being interviewed and she was assigned an FBI agent to be with her at all times. If I recall correctly, it was a pretty upsetting scene and I don’t think James lasted but a day or two- understandably.
B
Should be the Skyline motto.
“…We want to float all boats.” – Jill Sage
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/kyron_horman_case_forevermore.html
my head burts with OLive comment assertions
Terri never pleaded the 5th
was never put under oath
Terri could have been asked anything w/attorney present
(the norm)
LE never availed themselves.
unusual imo.
another example of ignorant comments
“Kaine was not the last one Kyron was seen alive with,
Terri was, and she’s never been able to explain that, why”
BS. She wasn’t.
I believe she did plead the 5th during her divorce deposition and Engel nearly got sanctioned for drawing inference publicly. She did, through counsel announce her intent to do that in the civil case early on.
As far as the ignorance and lack of awareness of the facts of this case I agree that it is obvious that is where the cauldron fuels the brooms.
TH was not the last person to see Kyron alive, and that is a well documented fact. He did not leave with her. She did not email an excuse for his afternoon absence so why make those statements?
B
B
Not just a cold case, but a frustrating cold case.
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It’s been nearly five years since young Kyron Horman disappeared from his school in Portland, Ore., and now local authorities are hoping that by drawing attention to a major reward, they can heat up a frustrating cold case.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/30/five-years-after-kyron-horman-vanished-authorities-hope-reward-brings-break-in/
Oh how I wish WW would jump back on this case. Why have the poo-pooed a missing child case for 5 long years. Stumps me.
Rose says:
June 1, 2015 at 7:36 pm
@ “T. Ruth says:
May 31, 2015 at 1:38 pm
So, it appears that LE is now focused on SZ”
We do not know that AT ALL, and imo it is unlikely.
We have Kaine’s obtuse word only.
S Staton has allowed he has one mostly fulltime employee (likely a River Patrol Rat)
and one retired CARD who was probably a local teammate on the case originally.
—-
Someone HAS to get this investigation out of Staton’s sandpit.
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You are correct, I am assuming here. I am assuming that since KH says they (LE) is no longer focused on TMH, then, if MCSO’s own issued statement holds any credence whatsoever, in regard to Kyron’s case still being looked at by more than two people in some ongoing regimen, then they HAVE to be looking at someone else. My guess is they are indeed looking at or at least trying to find whomever actually removed Kyron from Skyline elementary school on June 4 2010.
Late, but not unappreciated. IOW, they have now determined it was not TMH nor was it DDS.
IMHO, they were misdirected in the beginning, purposely or not remains to be seen. I don’t think any of these men/women (MCSO personnel) were on a mission to cover this crime up. I think someone misdirected them purposely, possibly accidentally, but I seriously doubt that at this point. I just don’t know who or why. Could be any number of issues, could be any number of people. Didn’t Staton himself say at one point something like this case was so far reaching we couldn’t fathom it?
Somehow this case, this missing little 7 year old boy (soon to become a teenager), became enter-twined with something bigger, something more far reaching. It’s time to spill the beans. MCSO needs to step up to the plate and give all their earlier BS, which it was, some sort of credence. Solved in a week? A month? By February? WTH?
And where on earth are the Skyline parents, now that they know for sure, neither TMH nor DDS removed this child from that school? Kaine Horman himself as said “they” are looking for someone else. Who and why? I hope Kyle Iboshi runs with this. He seems to me to be the only reporter up north worth his salt.
You know, as an analyst, when my takeaway is that the only person that has a clear understanding of my case is the offender- there is something wrong.
B
@cd says:
June 1, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: “stay tuned folks”. Agree bizarre indeed. So maybe sooner or later we’ll hear: “That’s all folks”
I have no idea what is going on in this case, but it’s bizarre to nth.
Let me recap for me..ha. Even though we have known for a long time, I think, that Kaine knew there was SZ, he just admitted it publicly.
Why is this not the headline? Well, same old reason, cover up.
AND Terri hate sells and is deep rooted.
Until these yahoos start all over, at the school, with SZ, this will never be solved. I don’t think they will ever do it.
I also think that DY helps the opposition (whoever took Kyron) stay hidden. As if help were needed.
yes. I wonder if that was prompted by progress within the reunification activity.
B
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/kyron-horman/2015/05/28/kyron-horman-case-still-active-5-years-later/28085681/
The vigil will begin Thursday at 6:30 p.m., next to the Kyron Horman Wall of Hope, located at 16365 Northwest Twin Oaks Drive, in Beaverton. The boy’s mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young both plan to speak at the event. Supporters can also bring items to place along the wall and balloons will be released before the lighting of the candles.
(snipped, more @link)
Gosh I wish they would add the fact that Kyron has two facial moles on the right side of his face. Makes me wonder what else was missed.
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/kyron-horman/2015/05/28/kyron-horman-case-still-active-5-years-later/28085681/
Just heard on the KPTV News that “Kyron’s mother” planned a candlelight vigil for tomorrow. The first thought that came into my mind was his mother, Terri Moulton. –and then of course, they said DY…..
@TRuth I thought the Desiree-Stacey media show is Thursday at 6:30, a day Kaine preannounced he would be doing nothing outside of his routine, and the car show will be Saturday.
every time Will Week jumps on a case, Ellen has to do something.
imo MCDA and the city fathers do not want the State AG Office involved. And Amanda the outsider and Federal childrens’ crusader has been disabled and removed.
Marc Klaas is advising DY and KH here:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/kyron_horman_just_one_of_41_mi.html
“keep pressure on police.”
B
I think Lynn Terry remarks in comments after her report did me in The Olive has done a lot to keep this case from being solved in my opinion
And it is not just bad reporting but slanted opinions of this and that
Since it is such a mess this week I will just think on Lynn Terry and what her game is
She might as well set up her own blog on this case and give up reporting facts
I had not realized before Rose pointed it out that her Kaine interview was an email exchange. If that is the case then I find it disturbing that she thought she could further define context on her own. What is appropriate is to ask for clarification or let the quote stand.
Who thinks it is ok for the Sheriff and the DA- both ELECTED positions, to refuse to answer any questions unilaterally about this case. One could of course understand the need not to divulge case sensitive information potentially- although that should be the burden of theirs to argue what “is”.
It is not ok that there are 5 years of public statements and proceedings that NOBODY is accountable for when there is a child missing.
I have been racking my brain these days and honestly- in the reverse.
In other words, I am trying to figure out what I could learn that was fact that I don’t already know that would make me think the answer lies with Terri Horman so instead of producing smoke out my ears here in Bucks- I will posit the question. I have gone down a list of my own, that I found investigatively relevant at one time or another and each were systematically incorrect or disproven.
What would you want to know as fact that would either convince you of TH involvement or of her innocence and how would you support your argument?
B
Assuming for the sake of argument Desiree is correct when she says in that vast expanse of woods, shrubbery, & roadsides she has fortunately found items “connected to” Kyron..a shirt, a toy, a stuffed animal? How does she make the leap Terri drove to that location and attempted to dispose of same? The only one proveably at that location would be Desiree and associates. And she says in the article she had many things of Kyron’s which she had to put out of sight because they unsettled Quinn. She had plenty of stuff connected to Kyron. Desiree can’t prove Terri in her limited time in the house, often escorted by the FBI or followed, put X in a location Desiree just happened to visit. As likely that Kaine or she put stuff there to frame Terri as they coukdn’t get her for the abduction.
let me just say this- out of the DA this is in the hands of an empaneled GJ- the rules of evidence for submission are the same as at trial. There is nothing that was found by any of DY search that was taken into property inventory in the case and she knows that.
B
@Blonk. I do not know it was an email exchange. I speculated based on the style of the writing and lack of followup, Kaine’s personality, & the O ladies’ interview history (imo phone or electronics). What I am pretty confident about are he had “ground rules,” based on his history and the specific minimalist use of direct quotes & their content.
lol, today I feel like a Blonk
Got it, thanks.
B
“Blink,” sorry
lol, no need
B
Malty says:
June 2, 2015 at 4:18 am
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-209/#comments
Great statement.
I thot Beenstein’s byline was on article 1 (Dad), but saw last nite it too was Terry.
She does interject bias & her own beliefs in Comments, ie “Terry refused to cooperate.”
Now we know 1 O writer who pushes that pov.
I assume she’s a friend on one of Stacey’s FB sites.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/06/kyron_horman_just_one_of_41_mi.html
“Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill and Sheriff Dan Staton have declined to answer questions about the status of their investigation into Kyron’s Horman’s disappearance.”
Shameful. Not only that, they’re refused to engage the public in progressing investigatory detail. Because they don’t want to acknowledge SZ & their wild goose chase.
“But a joint news release they issued last week said the investigation remains active with a sheriff’s detective “primarily assigned” to it. A retired FBI agent who has years of experience working on a Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team also continues his involvement in the case, reviewing evidence that has been collected.”
I think this guy resided in the area & is volunteering after retirement. That means he was on or associated with that regional CARD team June 4-6 or so that screwed up. And if he was on the regional CARD team, he likely had no experience in organized stranger abductions. And the Sheriff’s Dept had no detectives; mcso relied on the East Cty Major Crimes team & Gresham.
“Klaas said, the family’s role is so crucial – to be an advocate, put pressure on police and keep their child’s name in the public. His foundation has sent trained professionals to help searches organized by Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young.”
i don’t think this Klaas has been helpful in this case as Desiree’s shoulder to cry on. Yes verbally he says “put pressure on police,” but behaviorally he strolls down the yellow brick road with Desiree’s antics.
I know Marc and have a great deal of respect for him and his work after suffering from such a tragedy. He walks the line that he needs to stay in the grace of LE and still assist families. It is standard protocol that most .org SAR’s have some buy in from LE- but that can be as minimal as directing traffic or securing in a p/t role ( LE providing security unofficially and not while on duty). He can be quite opinionated at times, he is a passionate guy, which is why I found his comments very basic without opinion one way or the other. I think he is also delicate with parents considering this is a cold case. I have not discussed the facts of this case with him, but I presume if I did he would remain an advocate for Kyron and quietly ask wtf these parents aren’t doing what we have already discussed.
B
Why, then, does he supply “search teams” to Desiree for non LE affiliated searches?
It seems to me her statement indicates searches are looking for “connections to Terri.”
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http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/articles/articleView/id:24786
This dropin childcare opened in 2009. Was Hillsboro open in 2009?
Did Kaine ever use it for Kyron? Any male staff?
Klaas has pushed Desiree’s storyline in major media interviews:
2011
“KLAAS: Because I think Terri Horman is probably responsible for his disappearance. That`s where absolutely everything seems to point. There were some e-mails unearthed that Desiree said exhibited a severe hatred for Kyron. Kaine has come out and said some terrible things about her. She has unaccounted for time. She seems to have failed some polygraph exams. Her cell phone was pinging off of Sauvie island, which it turns out is larger than Manhattan Island, which makes it a very problematic area to search.
So one thing after another after another points to her. Not to mention the fact that her story, pardon me, her story about those last moments when she saw him make absolutely no sense at all. ”
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1103/29/ng.01.html
She has relied on him to advise her in her activities for years. I suspect these searches were his idea “to put pressure on police.” I would not at all be surprised if her civil suit was his idea “to put pressure on police” and perhaps the reason Eldon took her on.
I have never seen that. I stand corrected. No way Marc gives legal advice. He is promoting his SAR brand, I agree with that.
B
Kaine is on KEX right now. He is saying that Kyron was taken out of the area because he believes every square inch of this area was searched.
He believes he is “out there” and that it is important to look for him without glasses.
I don’t agree that every square inch of private property was searched, honestly that comment is silly. I have personally successfully worked a case where the victim was located in a pond that was searched 11 times.
B
@ Malty says:
June 2, 2015 at 4:18 am
“I think Lynn Terry remarks in comments after her report….”
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I commented several times to Lynne Terry’s posts in the thread, and each one was removed. I called out the bias, I called out her connection to the FB groupies, I called out her lack of ethical journalism by the simplest rules – 3 source confirmation before publication is a bygone moral institute…
I expected her to delete my comments. She once told me personally, in the first months of this case, that she had ‘an inside LE source’ and that she ‘knows’ TH did it, tho she can’t say what ‘it’ was. Back then, I called her out on her lack of journalistic skills in this case, and I do it still.
Well I have a handful of inside sources in this case that are directly connected to the investigation as well as nearly triple digit interviews and witnesses who have given sworn testimony. If she only has one LE source with a case this size she had better ask a few more questions. I really don’t like journalists removing posts if they are respectful but dissenting. Why is someone else’s freedom of speech not valued?
B
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/seattletimes/obituary.aspx?n=richard-horman-neil&pid=174775358&referrer=0&preview=false
Guess the move to TX was indeed a 2nd home for specialty VA txmt.
So now we know, for sure, who Topher’s father & stepmother were;
worth a re-read of Topher’s writings. Certainly Terri supported him &
Kathy. I’ve read about some stateside Army intelligence projects in the
Vietnam/Cold War era & it ain’t pretty. Between that, what we
kniw from Topher, his computer savy, and his Humanism Church
position, I have my own thoughts about his contribution to family victimology.
Poor Kaine’s psyche never had a chance under his roof in my opinion,
personality-wise.
Nel Mel?
you don’t need to post 6/2 at 11:05 thanks.
overdrive.
Well it was a valid point all the way around. I can admit when I am wrong and apparently a biggie.
B
June 2, 2015 at 11:14 am
I don’t agree that every square inch of private property was searched, honestly that comment is silly. I have personally successfully worked a case where the victim was located in a pond that was searched 11 times.
B
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Not to mention the waterways surrounding Portland. I understand the need to be hopeful that a) Kyron is still alive or b) his remains will be found somewhere in the surrounding land area but there is a strong possibility Kyron is in the Columbia or Willamette both with massive currents flowing into the Pacific.
Not impossible for remains to then wind up on shore and I certainly hope that will happen.
http://www.casematepublishing.com/dlc/9781935149019/9781935149019.pdf
The 2 deceased brothers comment puzzles, except perhaps Neil started
out with his own 4 birthchildren.
Imo Kristi divorced to marry an older domineering whiz type with a steady Army job.
In hus footsteps, & under his roof, Kaine developed into an
allegedly promiscuous man and an Intel worker bee, & the molested Kristian
also had a second marriage, and foundered.
As did TBI injured Topher after trying to make an Army career to fit in to the family.
I am wondering how much of this grandpa who was abruptly lost to him but still
psychologically domineering James internalized?
Rose says:
June 2, 2015 at 3:57 am
You’re right Rose, my screw up. Car show is on Saturday, 6th. So why isn’t KH attending his own son’s vigil?
tiny says:
June 2, 2015 at 11:14 am
Kaine is on KEX right now. He is saying that Kyron was taken out of the area because he believes every square inch of this area was searched.
He believes he is “out there” and that it is important to look for him without glasses.
I don’t agree that every square inch of private property was searched, honestly that comment is silly. I have personally successfully worked a case where the victim was located in a pond that was searched 11 times.
B
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So is Kaine also revealing to the public that LE did find Kyron’s glasses? Why does everything in this case have to be so damn cryptic?
I am apalled that MCSO & the DA are refusing to give any kind of update, especially since KH just spilled the beans on SZ.
AmysSis has posted on Olive requesting that there be an updated timeline for that morning, I could not agree more:
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Because of the impact Kyron’s disappearance has had on the pubic and because he was taken from school, LE should be obligated to update the public with facts that will make more clear the events of that morning and the direction the case has gone.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/05/kyron_horman_case_as_5th_anniv.html
Why doesn’t the Skyline Community band together and ask these same questions? I just don’t get it. If not Terri, then who removed Kyron from that school? Find SZ and then find Kyron. With so many people there that day, this person MUST have been seen at some point by someone. LE needs to come out with an update AND perhaps ask some different questions than they did in the beginning. Frustrating.
If Kaine believes Kyron is still alive then naturally that indicates a party besides DeDe or Terri are involved.
What confuses me is how far apart he and Desiree are on their approach and, hence, their understanding of the evidence.
They would benefit, for the sake of Kyron, by meeting with LE together and getting on the same page or as close to it as they can.
If Kaine believes Kyron is still alive he seems a tad lackadaisical to me.
I don’t want to assume anything but one could surmise, as has been said here before, that LE is doling out information to the bios in a way that is more damaging than helpful. Certainly the way they’ve doled out information to the public seems less than helpful to finding Kyron.
I am with TRuth that any description would be helpful. I’ve said before, if the perp was in disguise or suddenly changed his appearance after Kyron went missing it might trigger a family member or friend to recall that of him which could then lead to a chain reaction of piecing the investigation together.
Re Rose/MockingbirdSings says:
June 1, 2015 at 9:33 pm
I realize that emotions are very high on this anniversary and everyone is blowing off steam- me too
So please forgive my intrusion-
But
It is Common practice in missing childrens cases to have LE officers in the home-
They werent assigned to 24hrs surveillance on TH alone…
yes to some degree it is to “watch” the parents/family reactions/behaviors – TH included…it is also to lend support and protection- as well as to oversee phonecalls web interactions and comings and goings- of any potential BG
It is also common for family and friends to come and stay with the family for support- often LE doesnt interfere if the home scene was not the scene of the disappearance-
Tony and Dy were there in the home- invited by TH and KH and i would assume LE welcomed them- so as to keep ALL under watch
Lets not forget James was there and shortly there after the Grandparents-
What was in Kaines mind?
Well i would think that it was the same thing that was in THs-
Support from LE and family and friends was comforting. welcomed and needed-
Ofcourse they all werent quite thinking straight-who could blame them? too much had happened too many people and goingson-
Thats why I question if TH was able to impart all info under such stress in mere weeks
Terri had the spouse from hell at that point? maybe but others would say KH did-
afterall it is alleged TH cared more about her hair -her privacy, and answering back to online comments -
KH was at the gym WITH Terri Horman remember?
he wasnt at intel- he like all the parents took time away- and yes it was said he was having an affair- which Blink says she has no info that this affair carried on AFTER Kys disappearance…- although for TH she was sexting Cooke -
So its all in how one pulls the shades away I guess.
I think they were ALL in hell and all past indiscretions and secrets were coming to light which didnt paint KH OR TH in a very good light-
The marriage was having problems- and all this tragedy/scrutiny just brought it up- and to a head
AJMO Peace
Mom3.0 just to clarify, whenever there is a stranger abduction of a child and the immediate caregivers/parents are in the process of being cleared, LE and “they” do NOT mingle. They do not stay walled up. It is protocol 101 to separate them. At the very least, regardless of Tony’s status, LE with no jurisdiction had no business being there and should have been cleared. In fact, Tony prefaced TH’s interview as I recall.
In fact, the crater theory, and as stated many times by DY, she felt it possible TH got home and then “something happened.” I believe she also asked Kaine to search their property on the Dr. Philly show.
Well, that also means the Kyron home had not been cleared appropriately as a crime scene potential. Let me say it this way- I can assure the CART trained folks she just sponsored would agree with me.
At the end of the day, I am just talking about improper protocol for the situation and that happened for days.
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Kaine at the Wall 6/4? And stand next to Desiree and Stacey?
resulting in bye bye sole custody?
We know Desiree’s speech will include correcting
mcso’s timeline to implicate Terri. She brings her
detective the speechmaker to serve as her media
spokesman and criminologist, aka salesman for Terri did it theme.
In retrospect imo it was insane he was the media speechmaker for
the first family of 4 event.
I wish grasshopper were around to go record
both speeches on her phone & post them here or in a drop box.
Demeanor evidence.
That was an FBI call. They likely wanted to observe the bios, and if there was a chance it was connected to a bio the school of thought is that one wants the bios to appear demure, contrite, kind of thing.
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