Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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“….praised the local sheriff, John Hanlin, for his past insistence that he wouldn’t enforce gun restrictions he regarded as unconstitutional.”
Seems like both a Douglas County judge and the County Sheriff just don’t enforce laws they don’t like.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/10/obama_in_roseburg_it_wasnt_a_d.html#incart_big-photo
It seems Oregonians can’t trust their State laws, and federal laws, to apply to all evenhanded. This Constitutional Sheriff is no better than Kim Davis, he just has a different issue he cares about personally.
OT
Every so often, I google “Nancy Bergeson” to see if I’ve missed anything in the news about her case. This time I found the Oregon Bar article below which, for some reason, I had never read even though it was from 2010. I found a lot of mostly general information in it. So I’m sending it to you in case you haven’t seen it.
I did read it also thinking about what all the comments about evidence mean as related to Kyron’s case.
https://www.osbar.org/publications/bulletin/10augsep/evidence.html
O/T was fine, ty MBS
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@Rose
I decided to read something by Melvin H Horman. Kaine’s grandfather First problem Kind of spendy
Next Hard to find. anyway got No one ever gets out and other short stories
Only reasonable download IBooks
@Rose says:
October 9, 2015 at 9:59 pm
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the odd aspect of thebObama visit was not the protestor’s but the Gov’s sharp elbows.
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What I noticed was that Kate Brown literally forced the President off the sidewalk, to the grass! He then strode and walked IN FRONT of her, putting her in her rightful place, IMO.
I live in redneck rural Oregon, and there are many people who fear Obama will ‘take their guns’ but they refuse to hear what is really being said – that the laws need to be enforced, to keep them out of the mentally ill and criminal hands. I suppose the reason some of my neighbors fear gun control is because they would lose their guns, if they were required to prove sanity (heh).
Most of the people of Oregon, however, understand that Obama’s visit was for the families of UCC, and not a political agenda (tho I personally wish we’d take the guns out of the hands of people who shoot up our schools). Just like when Clinton came to Thurston and talked to our injured families. It is a soothing and appropriate action for a sitting President to do.
Does anyone else remember when this mass shooting stuff began? I seem to recall the term “Going Postal” was a big part of when our country started to slaughter groups of innocent people… is that where it was birthed as an American social issue?
Totally O/T for this case, but I was looking at past mass shootings, which seem mostly to have started escalating in the 70′s. It appears to this lay researcher that most of these were committed by depressed males. So I was looking at the history of lithium, thinking that was probably the drug of choice, but according to this study, it’s not. Yet it appears to be the drug of choice in other Countries, where according to our President, they don’t have mass shootings like this. (Which would include places like Switzerland, where it’s my understanding pretty much everyone owns a gun.) This makes me even more interested in a report that would indicate which drugs these “depressed” people were taking at the time of their heinous acts.
Here is just a couple of snips:
In the international history of lithium, the United States was more or less the last in, first out, in the sense that “the United States is one of the few countries—perhaps the only one—where other drugs, such as valproate and antidepressants, are given to bipolar patients much more often than lithium” (personal communication, anonymous referee). At a time when lithium was firmly established elsewhere, in the United States interest in lithium only began to build in the 1960s.
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How about lithium in the prophylaxis of depression, as opposed to the treatment of mania? Even today, the FDA does not accept an indication for lithium prophylaxis in depression (though it accepted, in 1975, the lithium prophylaxis of mania). Yet considerable evidence speaks on behalf of lithium maintenance in depression.
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Second, the lithium story raises the question: why in psychopharmacology, scientific evidence—in this case about lithium—often has difficulty in prevailing over commercial messages that run counter to established knowledge (52). When Abbott gained FDA approval to market valproate (Depakote) for mania in 1995, a great shift toward the “mood stabilizers” and away from lithium commenced. As David Healy points out, the use of valproate off-label for mania had been growing in the late 1980s, and it was in 1995 that Columbia University closed its lithium clinic. Increasingly, trainees from psychiatry training programs became untutored in lithium use, and would be uncomfortable about prescribing it in practice (53). Is lithium about to be eclipsed by less effective but widely advertised mood stabilizers? We cannot definitively answer the question at this time. But it becomes increasingly insistent.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3712976/
History of the worst mass shootings: (and this doesn’t include all of them, I don’t see any of the “Going Postal” ones listed here, which were again, done by depressed postal workers.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/
New Article from AP on the lack of research into gun violence:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_GUN_RESEARCH_BESIEGED_ABRIDGED?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Anywho, this makes me wonder if overall, since there are far more gun owners who are not depressed or have some mental illness, why was the CDC needing to know where all the guns are and who has them and where did they get them. That is not what’s needed in gun violence research. The research needs to be done on those who committed these acts of violence with a gun, or for that matter, a bomb or any other deadly weapon. How did this mentally ill person get these guns? How long has this person been mentally ill? What brain altering drugs was this person taking and/or not taking at the time of this violent act? Did his physician have any idea this person was suicidal or violent, and yet had no way to report such findings to the government because of HIPPA. Did anyone else know as well, but had no way to communicate their beliefs?
This all makes me wonder if the pharmaceutical companies who are making these meds are lobbying congress so that this needed research is not done. Talk about big bucks. I also wonder how much the pharmaceutical companies are behind the current HIPPA laws. IDK, just reading and trying to make sense of senseless acts.
Has anyone yet seen with the “Crime Watch Daily” show is supposed to air the Kyron search? If I go to their site, and search Kyron nothing shows up. I don’t think I can get it anyway, just wondering if it had aired yet.
Traveling across the continent, thus fatigued, fries the brain. So when I read Russia allegedly bombed ISIS in Syria, and then the bombing in Turkey of peaceful demonstrators, destabilizing that county and fomenting unrest vs the government, led me to think events like Ukraine, Syria, Turkey, might be the case of an authoritarian opportunists using destabilizing events as a pretext to tighten control and shore up support.
So due to my travel-fatigued brain, I segued to Kyron and associated governmental entities.
It seems to me that the leadership method of “Cover Up and Cover Ass” when it came to the abduction of a 7 yo from MCPS property during school hours indirectly had the effect of legitimizing and shoring up “Carol leadership” in PPS and “Staton leadership” in MCPS.
MCSO had spent many years in disarray, fragmentation, and infighting (call MCSO Syria) despite one party control.
PPS had significant top turnover and weak local leadership (like PPB). Call PPS Turkey.
Then this abduction.
What governmental reaction could occur in any one party state in the face of destabilization but heightened control from the top, public silence and public lies, cover up, making of money (all that OT by mcso & mcda), and obfuscation?
@Truth
O/T in 1966 Charles Whitman killed his mom and wife then went up on the clock tower UT
And shot 14 wounded 30 He had a brain tumor
Anyway this was my first notice of mass killing.
@TRuth. too tired to read and orocess all of that today. I’m no expert but when I was working ages ago Lithium was the drug of couce fir bipolars, but not for depression (different diagnoses). Then SSRIs (ie zoloft) became all the rage for depression. The problem with that is in the diagnosis, because it can make a bipolar high. (I remember when I was told by a nonphysician btw my son’s adhd meds coukd be pushed higher if paired with an ssri. dummy. So that is done.) The problem with lithium was most chronic patients were noncompliant due to the side effects. I doubt either depression, autism spectrum, and so on were Roseburg’s shooter’s dx. He sounds like he might have had a pervasive developmental disorder, and his environment was not conducive to success.
@TKG
As I told Truth 1966 Charles Whitman x Marine sniper UT is my first memory of this kind of killing on US soil
And he killed his mom and wife first
He was having severe headaches. And requested after he die to check his brain He had a tumor
all together
He killed 16 and wounded 30
From the clock tower. On the University of Texas
O/T I wish we did not have this fear that all the guns are going to be taken away and it is not just rural Oregon
Common sense in the world today says we can’t sit here unarmed. As a nation.
And also taking away guns. Is going cause one big fight anyway
Where I don’t agree is with stockpiling and fear of
T. Ruth says:
October 11, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Has anyone yet seen with the “Crime Watch Daily” show is supposed to air the Kyron search? If I go to their site, and search Kyron nothing shows up. I don’t think I can get it anyway, just wondering if it had aired yet.
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Maybe the people that create “Crime Watch Daily” like to do research on their own when they cover a case unlike John Walsh who was willing to simply take his information from the local news and parrot whatever he is told by Kyrons bio parents without asking anyone else any questions. They look like they are covering lots of other cases also so it may be a couple of months before we see Kyrons case on their show.
It seemed to me that People magazine when they interviewed people other then DY about Kyrons disappearance were not willing to just print DY’s version of events so they declined to say much of anything about Kyrons case was which really angered DY.
It will be interesting to see what information gets on the show.
@ Malty,
thank you for your kind words, and fabulous news on your eye treatment.
I’ve started reading “Sexual Homicide: Patterns and Motives” , its really interesting, but not exactly bedtime reading – its giving my gag reflex a workout.
AlbaLass
@TKG, School shootings go back to the 1700′s with some regularity. Who knew?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Forgot to post this link for 1700′s school massacre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Brown_school_massacre
@TKG, Sorry for all the wiki reseach, but 1986 is when the first postal incident occurred.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal
@TRuth, I agree that we might be suffering from the side effects of prescription drugs. There are several lithium compounds used to treat differing disorders, but I think if a person can use lithium effectively it is the best choice as it is at it’s core a mineral.
snip>
Treating manic-depressive (bi-polar) illness is lithium’s most widely known use–but it isn’t an anti-psychotic drug, as many people believe. In fact, lithium isn’t a drug at all. It’s actually a mineral-part of the same family of minerals that includes sodium and potassium.
http://www.tahomaclinicblog.com/lithium-the-misunderstood-mineral-part-1/
@TRuth, This was just released a day ago. You are so on topic with this.
Standby Drug for Adult Bipolar Disorder May Be Safe, Effective in Children
http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/standby-drug-for-adult-bipolar-disorder-may-be-safe-effective-in-children/ar-AAfmpIC?ocid=ansmsnnews11
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/11/kitzhaber-breaks-silence/73762804/
Interesting article and not so off topic, considering the reporting in this case.
#hotmess
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I thought diagnosing bipolar in kids with rage episodes and
significant acting out was all the rage in the last decade. This
lithium study gives objective evidence a bipolar mood disorder
can be accurately identified and treated in childhood. My memory
is the worrisome side effects that deterred at least females from
complying with staying on it longterm were weight gain and kidney.
A female dr at Hopkins (iirc a psychiatrist) who is bipolar wrote a nice
autobiog. iirc Kay Jameson?
@cd. my impression from crime watchers narratives to date is the series focuses on slices of life with dramatic impact…mainly emotional…and exploits the sensational. So I doubt objective facts dominate. Imo it’s another facet of the “reality tv” genre.
You never know what will pop up on a google search for Kyron Horman, just like this locksmith from Oregon who is wants to meet new people and lists his interests as slot machines and Kyron Horman.
Kevin Rakestraw from Lincoln City, Oregon is a 51 year-old male who joined Chirpler to meet new people. Kevin is interested in Avatingo, Clickfun Casino, Best Casino, Missing Kyron Horman, Lucky Slots – Free Slot Machines and more.
https://www.chirpler.com/u/37d337ee68588796771eecdf89845ba7/kevin-rakestraw
@Erose
As usual you post some great research These shooting back to 1700 Wow
I only remember how that Texas deal upset me as a young mother with babies
I will say this I think in my life time there has been a push to anti depressants for every thing for every body
IMO only These drugs all have side effects. IMO.
@AblaLass
Sounds like you read a lot of non-fiction. I think I do to but right now I am reading Kaine’s grandfather fantasy short stories that he thanks his son Neil for helping with. I read on one of the blogs that there were all kinds of
Hints to the kidnapping If there is I don’t see it yet They are listed as Si-Fi and fantasy I think that is all I see so far
I do like non-fiction much better. But these two men in Kaine’s step family writing fantasy and children books
Interests me
@Truth
I don’t get that program I would like to but it is not on here I have Dish I don’t understand but it is not on 12
At 4:pm Judge Judy is. We must not have there right provider
well, looking back on this recent thread, one remembers both bios could have contributed genetic
health challenges to this disappeared child. Did he have a childhood mood or depressive disorder?
Desiree and Kaine claimed “he cried.” Terri imo sought to shore him up & get medical help. One
thing in her favor–she involved a doctor, not bios.
what I would ask Terri if I could ask Terri:
1) do you think Kyron might have had childhood depression
due to his crying? New baby into everything &
keeping him awake; James gone; a 5 hr commute each
way on weekends he visits to mother; mother’s recent marriage; etc.
2) was he bullied by anyone at school?
3) did you have a bedroom door? If not, how did that work for
James & Kyron visually? We know walls were thin, so how did
you handle the sound issue?
4) what was all that listen to adults at school stuff all about?
5) why didn’t you file for divorce when you learned of his affair?
People often say “thanks to DNA evidence” but it seems to me the big thanks should go to whoever assigned the new investigator and to that investigator for the work he or she did. Maybe the reason MCSO said they wouldn’t allow the case to become cold is because they didn’t want any reason to come up to assign a new investigator?
By Ralph Ellis, CNN
Updated 12:23 AM ET, Wed October 14, 2015
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(CNN)Thanks to DNA evidence, police in an Oklahoma City suburb arrested a man in an 18-year-old child abduction case, authorities said Tuesday. Kirsten Hatfield, 8, disappeared from her home in Midwest City one night in May 1997.
The child has never been found, Midwest City Police Chief Brandon Clabes said Tuesday at a news conference.
A former neighbor of the girl, 56-year-old Anthony Joseph Palma, was arrested Monday and charged with kidnapping and first-degree murder. Authorities filed the murder charge because they believe Kirsten is dead, Clabes said.
Authorities were led to Palma after a new investigator assigned to the case last June realized the FBI or the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation had never tested some of the evidence, Clabes said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/us/dna-evidence-and-oklahoma-child-abduction/index.html
FYI–FBI Arrests Six, Saves Four Kids–Child Sex Trafficking Case
http://www.kptv.com/story/30253814/fbi-arrests-eight-saves-four-kids-locally-as-part-of-child-sex-trafficking-investigation?autostart=true
@Rose
I really enjoy being on a blog with you Never know what to expect
#3 we know the walls are thin LOL
1-2-4 Good questions
5 didn’t she just have a baby Kaines timing Or am I wrong
I Guess after all this time I would like to know if she and her folks are doing ok
I always wanted to ask if she ever thought any one at school or neighbors Were a danger to Kyron if they got him alone
I would like to ask Kaine if he ever thought any of the gym people employees and members could have been a danger to Kyron if they got him alone Or the other people he was doing business with
And to Tony and DY same questions about who met Kyron in Medford.
this is the divorce lawyer I thot Terri would have
been more successful with
who once practiced with Rackner but they professionally divorced:
http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/14/divorce-lawyer-jody-stahancyk-thinking-about-running-against-city-commissioner-amanda-fritz/
What I wonder is why all three of them who had trusted Terri to be alone with KYron for years And drive 5 hrs to bring him for visits Who did not go to the SF Suddenly decide. It couldn’t be anyone else in the whole world but Terri with a plan and help from Dede Or someone
That will never make sense to me
Another thing Kyron’s poppa said more than once what a small house that Kaine has and how crowded it was with
Nana ,Kelly ,himself. Plus LE FBI. Tony and DY No body said there were no doors on any rooms. I would think
Tony would jump on that.
You all have read that the Oregon UCC shooter was dismissed from Army Boot camp for attempted suicide right? I’m no shrink, but I’d call that depression. Also, the reason I looked up lithium, is it sounds like something he was indeed on, at least at one time, because one of the log-on user names he used at at least one site was “lithium-love or lover”. So, it made me wonder if, in fact, that medication helped him.
Anywho, I just found the study interesting. (& Thanks erose, for the other informatin.) I think too, a lot of what’s missing here is follow-up with the doctors. If we can’t put these people who are a potential threat to themselves as well was others in an asylum or mental hospital of some sort, then there just has to be a more effective and financially feasible way for these kids (young men mostly, it seems) to be able to get better and more frequent care and monitoring. The Oregon shooter graduated from a high school for kids with special needs, so it’s not like people didn’t know he had issues. I’m still baffled by his mother’s actions too, and it makes me even more baffled that she was a nurse. Same with the Sandy Hook shooter. I just feel like we can’t just let this go away as hopeless cases, there must be something we can do to attempt to curb the frequency of senseless of events like these. Call ME crazy, but I feel like both of these guys were treatable, but didn’t get what they truly needed. But then, what do I know? Like I said, I hope someone is looking into exactly what meds they were taking and the hippa in this case was tossed. I’m no head doctor, just someone who is trying to understand the core of these types and what is *sending them over the edge*.
IDK, but I hope someone much smarter than I, comes up with something that will help one way or another.
Maybe we should all come up with questions we would have for TH if Blink were ever to interview her. I know that is not possible given TH’s precarious situation, but perhaps someone in the know, in her inner circle could find a way to relay some information.
I like Rose and Malty’s questions. In addition, mine would revolve around the steroids and the nature of her relationship with RSE.
like it.
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O/T
Portland, Mult. Co. get nearly $4M to test rape kits
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Multnomah County received one of the highest awards given with $1,995,453 in funds. It was the only Oregon county to receive money from the U.S. Justice Department to test kits.
Portland also received a separate $1.19 million grant from the Bureau of Justice Assistance to test its backlog of 1,931 rape kits that have never been sent to a crime lab.
(snipped)
“Right now, it’s estimated there are hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits sitting in police storage facilities nationwide,” Vance said. “What stands in the way of testing them is money and the will to get the job done.”
(snipped)
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/investigations/2015/09/10/multnomah-county-gets-nearly-2m-test-rape-kits/72012484/
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There’s a whole lot more @ the link, and meanwhile the rapists are free to just go ahead and keep on raping. Good grief.
@TRuth, A report came out today that our mental health hospital (Western State) has been on federal notice 3X this year for violations which would cut off federal funding. My take of the current agenda (WHO) is that we need to get away from institutionalization, finding ways to integrate mentally ill people back into society giving them purpose. CBT is now said to be the first and best treatment. I don’t think we can do away with institutions altogether, and they do need to be appropriately staffed, but I do think that isolation is a big enemy and purpose in life makes a difference.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/western-state-hospital-in-trouble-with-federal-officials/
http://www.who.int/dg/speeches/2013/launch_mental_health_action_plan/en/
http://www.scottdmiller.com/feedback-informed-treatment-fit/revolution-in-swedish-mental-health-practice-the-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-monopoly-gives-way/
PS I meant to say, but what do I know X2.
OMG *a toddler*
Kat says:
October 14, 2015 at 12:22 pm
FYI–FBI Arrests Six, Saves Four Kids–Child Sex Trafficking Case
http://www.kptv.com/story/30253814/fbi-arrests-eight-saves-four-kids-locally-as-part-of-child-sex-trafficking-investigation?autostart=true
Malty says:October 14, 2015 at 3:13 pm “I would think Tony would jump on that.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
Tou made me think.
When Tony arrived at Chez Horman that noght, he was managing a new wife who said she couldn’t open her own car door to get out, and further said they were confronted with press greedy for a story.
So the question is, why did Tony publically envelop his wife’s ex in hugs while publically accusing the stepmother–he’s in a
stepfather position, knows Kaine’s a creep, and should have sympathy to her.
male to male bonding and love? hardly.
any evidence from mcso Terri was guilty? unlikely.
carrying out his wife’s wishes/agenda? imo he’s not the type to publically accuse
Terri just for peace at home…but if he was, why become a Kaine-hugger?
The only reason could be some kind of personal self-interest.
What that is remains to be seen, but imo would be part of Houze’s defense if Terri is tried.
imo the only possible connection could be mutual steroid useage.
So, Blink, do you think Houze might permit a written interview of questions submitted to Terri whose answers would be vetted by him? Would you do that journalistically? I’d expand Malty’s question of did she think anyone in the neighborhood or school could be a danger to kyron if alone to include all biological family members.
Absolutely verboden.
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@Malty. I didn’t realize poppa, nana and kelly had piled in, in addition to
both youngs and le/fbi. one wonders why horman grandparents and
brothers didn’t show up. and the moultons. only the ex’s extended family showed up.
very surprised kristi and neil not there, as he had the authoritarian, managing
director personality per Topher. I bet each and every one of the Davidson tribe
plus LE were trying to get James alone despite thin walls to Get the Scoop on the
household. Boy did the abduction ruin Terri’s weekend reunion with her long time no see
(4 months) probably estranged-like son. That, too, could be as much timing motive if a personally-
linked abductor as kyron’s doctor’s appointment.
@mbs. thinking of what motive mcso could have as an institution for not letting another le agency have a go at this cold case, to me the only answer is covering up some kind of internal dysfunction … either related to the investigation or that would come to light and perhaps public awareness during an independent agency’s reinvestigation. The latter to me could be shared motivation with one or both youngs and/or kaine.
what motive could kaine have to allow the poppa/nana/sister/very estranged ex/and ex’s detective new husband to pile into his house rather than protect and shelter his nuclear family, and his wife’s visiting teen son. There’s something off there–like he was pressuring Terri, rather than comforting and caring for her, from the first night.
Since the “no door” has been mentioned again I thought I would chime in.
Several days ago I read four total teen twitter diaries of KMD1 (oldest) and KMD2. Thank you Rose for indicating they may be of some interest.
About the no door bedroom.
As I understand it, the “master” bedroom and probably KH’s office are upstairs. From property tax records, the upstairs is a finished 476 sq. ft. (if 12’ wide it would be about 40’ long), plenty of space for a bedroom and office. The house was built in 1933. The “no door” mentioned sounds like the bottom entry to the up stairs. We don’t know if the bedroom upstairs had a door, or whether it was closed, or not, from what was stated. However, it does seem it was “open” from the downstairs to the upstairs bedroom, as one would think KMD2 and KMD1 would know. The sounds of passion were only said to be heard when, on occasion, the daughters ventured pass the stairs to the kitchen during normal sleep hours. There was no mention that the sounds could be heard from other parts of the house. Point being, no one is going just walk into their bedroom and see them having sex. They would have to climb the stairs first.
Given the likely frequent up and down stairs traffic of the parents from those rooms, it might have been deemed cumbersome to have a door at the bottom of the stairs. However, having a closed door on the upstairs bedroom when appropriate would be highly desirable, although it might not be overly successful in sound elimination given the age of the structure.
It seems there is only one bathroom in the house. The property tax description mentions only one bathroom. Also, a comment from one of the daughters indicates if someone was using the bathroom there was not another option.
Some documentation.
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“Horman slept upstairs, while Spicher stayed downstairs, closest to the door.”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html
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“Often times, I would come downstairs and my daughter would be roaming around the house with her passed out on the couch.”
(Thanks T. Ruth)
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-14/#comment-2200091
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“No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97845894.html
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“When we went downstairs and got her and put her shoes on and her and I started walking down the driveway to meet him at the bus”.
(I actually don’t think he meant he and Terri were upstairs together while Kiara was wandering around downstairs. I think he used the “we” for going downstairs because he was thinking ahead to the “we” going down to the bus.)
In the video at 2:33.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/dateline/38530051#38530061
It appears the People article url does not work properly. You should be able to copy and paste the entire url into a browser address field, press and the article should appear, hopefully.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html
Yikes. press the ENTER key.
@TRuth.
re suicide risk in ASDs. (I’m not convinced that was an
ept diagnosis though.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3089029/
http://www.suicidefindinghope.com/content/pervasive_developmental_disorders
Malty says:
October 14, 2015 at 3:13 pm
What I wonder is why all three of them who had trusted Terri to be alone with KYron for years And drive 5 hrs to bring him for visits Who did not go to the SF Suddenly decide. It couldn’t be anyone else in the whole world but Terri with a plan and help from Dede Or someone
That will never make sense to me
Another thing Kyron’s poppa said more than once what a small house that Kaine has and how crowded it was with
Nana ,Kelly ,himself. Plus LE FBI. Tony and DY No body said there were no doors on any rooms. I would think
Tony would jump on that.
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Regarding your first observation — projection? Any student of a freshman psych course in any college might view the bios and the stepfather as feeling beyond guilty that they weren’t around to protect Kyron, so they lash out at the one woman — stepmonster, to them — who was around to protect him, “but didn’t?” Hindsight 20/20 and all that. Something horrible happens to Kyron — they think (they don’t even know what happened to him yet) so because they feel their own self-absorbed character flaws loud and clear, it’s easy for them to point the finger at TMH.
To your second point that the “no doors on bedroom” issue would have been noticed by the Youngs — possibly a stink raised about it in private, and DY referred to it (among other things) with her “not supporting the choices he is making” comment about KH in the Fall of 2010, or, the doors were on the room in 2010.
Is it also possible that KH is now a very paranoid man and with good reason — his son was kidnapped and he was involved in illegal ‘roid trade and, and, and….so he wants his house more open to let him hear sound (such as someone breaking in, or his daughter crying at night, etc.). I think KH is weird, dishonest, and untrustworthy, so there are plenty of possible explanation for the no-door thing. The Ick occurs when he moves females into his house and does not put a door back up on his bedroom. THAT is super Ick. No excuse for the noise and the psych-out on the teenagers living in the house with the no-door thingy. But before those ladies moved into his home, had he taken the door(s) down for some fear factor going on?