BREAKING NEWS: Jesse Matthew Abduction of Hannah Graham also linked to Morgan Harrington Murder
BREAKING NEWS- sources inside the investigation of both the murder of Morgan Dana Harrington and the abduction with the intent to defile of 2nd year student at UVA, Hannah Graham have confirmed to S. Christina Stoy, Editor in Chief of www.blinkoncrime.com that DNA belonging to Jesse Leroy Matthew, Jr matches the DNA link to that of a wanted suspect in the Harrington murder.
Further tests are being conducted to connect Mr. Matthew to a 2005 Fairfax sexual assault as well.
This is a developing story, please check back for updates.
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Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but it’s interesting to note that when JLM assaulted the man in the road rage incident, the first thing he did in the physical escalation of the crime was to take his victim’s cell phone away:
“He then got out of his car and walked up to my window,” Wilke told police. “He reached in my window and grabbed my cellphone out of my hand. I attempted to get out of the car to get my phone back, and as I was doing so he punched me twice in the face.”
The blows knocked off Wilke’s eyeglasses.
Wilke told police that Matthew took his phone to his van
Read more here: http://www.modbee.com/2014/10/03/3572649_uva-kidnap-suspect-gentle-giant.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
Here’s what I found odd-
Where is Hannah? While reading every site I can find about Hannah I found a comment that JLM liked a game Brightwood on his facebook. Apparently it is a kid’s game. So I thought is there a Brightwood Virginia and there is. When I googled map Brightwood Virginia low and behold I am looking at a cemetery and I cannot figure out what cemetery it is. It is on Hunter lane I think. For myself Hunter Lane’s name gives me the willies. Anyway here is a link for the map. Can anyone familiar with Virginia give me the name of the cemetery?
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4185206,-78.2005832,3a,28.4y,154.56h,83.73t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sPxTQ4Qlr0Y8zIlfiqYUT6A!2e0
http://www.cnusports.com/roster.aspx?path=football
You can look up the roster by year. No mention of JLM in 2003.
Interesting that it skips from 2001 to 2003 and no mention of 2002. Makes me wonder.
Some additional background details that I have not seen before.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/ap/uva-kidnap-suspect-gentle-giant-or-predator/article_ae5db725-b5e9-508e-9390-38e2dd13a3bb.html
with due respect to LE and the real searchers, what has gone before, & acknowledging ATG’s longtime geographical & topological prowess, and limited by my 1 finger typing, I did look last nite briefly at a map likely GEarth, but I got there by going to Tempo site, clicking directions, getting a big old fashioned rote map, but when I tapped Charlottesville, a beautiful technicolor topology appeated, for fellow phone users.
I tried to put myself in Mathew’s mind from the moment he left.
It seemed to me the obvious routes were Old Lynchburg Rd South, and secondarily Rte 20 South. The ubiquitous
Red Hill Rd was prominent, and interestingly there is a KOA campground. There are roads branching So off Red Hill,
but I was drawn to Walnut Park Rd. Most particularly this area has creeks & a river.
The area is also very wooded. I do not see Mathew was venturing far into woods. Morgan was not in woods. He did not go far into woods in Fairfax. He ran to a denuded beach. Perhaps he is drawn to water. I can see disposal in a river or creek covered by rocks. With much rsspect to LE, after they diligently cover an 8-10 mi radius, I hope they resurvey the old Lynchburg Rd Rte, & isolated areas off Red hill, checking creeks & rivers with non-wooded access points. I think’d he’d carry her 1/4-1/2 mile. What a job!
The question is, is the current location the crime scene? If we had LE’s info, we’d probably know. I
don’t recall LE asking for help finding a crime scene, so my guess is they know where it is.
Putting myself in the mind of a sexual sadist predator that night, I believe when he left Tempo, Hannah was seen as a
trophy and as a toy. Like a sadist cat with an inert mouse. Imo he took Hannah into the bar not to further inebriate her, but to show her off. To return with a prize in his arms to the Bartender (who imo as a professional bar tender
should have refused to serve him and stated he was calling an ambulance for Hannah, and if Mathew interfered, he’d call the police). That makes it logical as a trophy, he would take her back to his own apt & room, at least briefly.
My theory would be his roommates moved out either because they were limited witnesses to something & left for a secure location while he was free, or the apt was determined a crime scene.
Their role as witnesses of some sort could have provided the info for LE’s
second apt search.
I suspect Mathews feels OK waiting for his Initial Hearing because he knows LE has already searched her current location, and he thinks he is secure from discovery. His reaction will be interesting when LE announces returning to certain likely target areas they went to initially imo.
the first full paragr after “Finally,”
fits this tragedy. The one that follows fits
Kyron’s (other thread):
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mm9Zb6eEVvoC&pg=PA252&lpg=PA252&ots=_z16Fz1ATi&focus=viewport&dq=violent+sexual+sadist+body+hiding&output=html_text
Huffpost says Jesse sr. moved to Farmville ,after the split in 1998,due to him being a drunk ,with no ability to child support. He was arrested for indecent exposure.(and a post in the comments section claims he raped his daughter) is this from whom Jesse got influenced)Sr. Says ‘he and Jesse Jr. hangout a lot ,they watch football,he just saw him two weeks ago’.so Jesse goes to Farmville to visit his dad through the years?http://www.missingin.org/reg754/la_teasha_lamone_brooks.htm Farmville might want to relook at this case .she was last seen leaving court services on foot. August 29 was the first preeason nfl game, bears vs dolphins.was Jesse in town to watch nfl season kickoff and celebrate being on a college team? Just speculating.
What does it say about JM that he was “hiding in plain site” while committing these crimes. Especially the abduction of Hannah in a crowded area. Did he feel invincible, too “dumb” to realize there would be such publicity, or surveillance?
What makes you think there’s an accomplice? Could it have been the other man who appeared to stalk Hannah?
Also I noticed that his mother’s maiden name was Carr, or it’s a hyphenated name she uses Debra Carr Matthew. Apologies if this was mentioned above before, I didn’t see any mention.
I am not following all of the historical research re: the last name Carr. His grandmother’s name is Christine Carr per the very first article in the Daily Mail where his identity was revealed. It looks like there are hundreds of people in the phone book here with that last name. When asked for his name in Texas, it seems that he gave one of the first names that came easily to mind and with which he would be comfortable using as a lie. The only psychological connection I can see is that he probably identifies (at least on the surface) more with his mother’s side of the family than his father’s and thus would reach to the family name on that side more easily. I am guessing that his relationship with his father and that side of the family is very different.
dda- I think I am going to be in the minority opinion for some time- at least until this goes to trial- but I am of the opinion that Mr. Matthew is much more mindful than many are giving him credit for- by design.
B
Blink, did you recognize any of the women (from Morgan times) in the fundrazr for Matthew?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19850625&id=8vlNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eYsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4577,3805703
Rose
In regards to the scene you suggested at Tempo and regarding what the bartender should have done, I am going go farther. IMO the bartender should have called the police and then called 911 for an ambulance for Hanna without saying anything to JM. If he tried to move her, the bartender should have asked for help from those present. If I remember correctly, JM had already put his hands on a female patron earlier in the evening where the female told him to leave her alone.
I do think you are on to something with the trophy concept. JM was still working with youth in football programs. This would have given him access to weight equipment. A guy his size and strength would have no problem moving a woman up to 175 lbs against her will even if she were sober. Drunk is just moving the person with little resistance.
You may be correct about JM taking Hannah to his apt.,but I think he has another location where he took her as well as Morgan in the North Garden area. It could be a house or a barn that belongs to someone he knows and is available when the owner is not there.
The two routes to the place where Morgan was found were not in the woods per say. The first was down a power line ROW that fed power to Anchorage Farm. The second was off Red Hill road adjacent to a fence line that ran towards the North to the Hardware River. The timber there is mature and is mixed pine and hardwood. Pine trees exclude sun to the forest floor and reduce undergrowth.
Morgan probably weighed around 130 lbs plus or minus five. From the end of the field road along the fence to the place Morgan was found is a little over two hundred yards. JM could have easily walked that far with Morgan over his shoulder. He would have crossed the river and then up the other bank to a fence line and followed it West then put Morgan down and under the fence and moved her to the final location.
If I remember correctly, the assault on the young woman at Fairfax was done by JM following her from the grocery store towards her apartment. There was a wooded track adjacent to the swimming pool area where the took her. Water may have something to do with how JM tries to clean up his crime scene or dump site. That is why I was looking for an area with a body of water when I found the sports site on hwy 250.
JM may have another site that has low traffic on the roadway and is near water. It would be interesting to track all his moves while going to school and thereafter to find where he is comfortable. Driving a cab could have been a part of his method of hunting for victims while making a living. He would have a legitimate reason for being in an area.
@Blink. While I agree, most commentary on his functioning goes back to el ed by those who know him well and seems consistent. To me his behavioral descriptions are consistant with FAS.
Unless Camblos is off getting mental retardation documented by full neuropsych testing (and I don’t think he is because part of that testing woukd reveal a personality disorder imo), we should assume his iq is at least average. It doesn’t take a lot in the way of childhood oral tradition to have attachments of place imo.
@Rose: very interesting reading you provided! All serial rapist-killers lack humanity and empathy, and are fueled but ultimately frustrated by their fantasies.
@Susan: Yes, I’ll never forget feeling extremely spooked in that parking lot across from JPJ arena–I wonder if he was nearby.
Yes, it’s possible he is related to THE Carrs (of Carr-Lewis-Jefferson fame). Not necessarily the Hugh Carrs directly. His mother’s family has been in the area a long while. The Ivy Creek and Walnut Creek areas are frequently hiked so I think it’s more likely he chose a place like AF–large, privately owned, and very isolated properties are his specialty.
I immediately wondered about JM’s sister. What was it like to grow up around a giant of a brother with such serious boundary issues? If his father also had boundary issues with wife and daughter, then JM absorbed that message about women. And he may have been assaulted himself.
I thought for a long time about JM yesterday and the question of “legacy statement.” I could see that as a rageful narcissistic sociopath, he certainly could feel ENTITLED to rape and murder and “stake his territory” in a sense, by placing his victims’ bodies on particular ancestral slave lands. After all, he’s not rational, but he may be rationalizing. The way he behaved on the mall that night in plain view of everyone (!) was as though he were perfectly entitled to touch, hug, and scoop up the women around him regardless of their reactions, and then to lead an innebriated woman away–who would then disappear.
Such boldness: how many times had he played that scene out–abducting a woman?
Well I think the theory of an local AA with slave family ties to historical @ prominent white families ,dumping a dead coed on wealthy historical prominent Va.former Slave holders land ,is true.he wasn’t a drifter from upstate New York. So George Carr had black children and Jesse is a descendant,? In only one of the pics his skin looked a little high yellow,i thought maybe a little Indian.so is his point he could claim he’s white? Interesting.i think he choose psychology for a reason ,simply ,he has an interest.he made it to junior at liberty.i know they give passes to football player.ans to answer an earlier question are serial killers into serial ,yes ,a british serial purposely stayed in the hotel in downtown la, that Richard Ramirez stayed in, while on his spree and did a spree himself.
So where on earth could Hannah be? Additional LE and professional searchers have not given up. Do you think they’ll find her in the Charlottesville area?
about the search: Has it been revealed what time jlm returned (if at all) to his apt. on that morning or the following day. If so, it can give a baseline for his maximum travel to and return (less time for whatever he did to Hannah in the meantime). I am guessing that he may have gone west on Barracks road and beyond to dispose of Hannah’s body. I am speculating that he was probably tired and getting lazy and it was a shorter distance for him to get to his apt. There’s a lot of rural territory out that way so good luck, but I would look for a well known clearing of some sort (sort of like Anchorage Farms at least cleared of heavy trees). JLM impresses me as somebody who would be a worthless and lazy pos so I do not think he went to great lengths to secrete the body (just like Morgan). Look to the west unless some evidence is pointing the searchers to the east as they have done.
Above,I meant to say BLinks theory .and well done blink.
Ode says:
October 4, 2014 at 10:20 am:
“Cassandra Morton’s head was found separated from her body.
Campbell County Sheriff Terry Gaddy said earlier that the head had been found several feet away from the body, but would not speculate whether it was the result of foul play.”
Cassandra Morton was black though, right? If this is somehow related to payback for slavery, (I am making this assumption based on the other victims, who are white, and the connections to slavery that have been made) she doesn’t really fit his victim MO. Why would he assault a black female? It doesn’t necessarily fit. Unless there is another intention, other than slavery payback, for choosing slavery-related sites as body dump sites.
While we’re discussing other MP cases he could be tied to, how about Sharon Ivy Jones?
http://www.missingin.org/reg821/sharon_ivy_jones.htm
Very interesting info/ theories posted today Ode and Rose.
QUESTION: DOES ANYONE KNOW LJM’s TIMELINE THE WEEKEND HANNAH WENT MISSING?
When was he seen / where did he show up after they left the bar?
I’m worried that he could have taken HG south or west around the Blue Ridge Pkwy/ campsites/ Geo Washington Natl Forest/ W VA if he was really out of sight all weekend. He’s a “camper” we know. Has a tent too. Crime scene could be his tent almost anywhere- easily an hour or two from CVille if he wasn’t seen / really didn’t return to his apt for a night or two or three. SO rural near here/ miles and miles of mountains/ trees etc. and I’m truly very fearful/ sad to say that HG may never be found.
After all, there are quite a few “vanished” cases that may circumstantially point back to LJM after the FBI finishes checking his whereabouts / credit card records and such from 2002- 2014.
How was the weather the weekend Hannah went missing? I’m assuming beautiful early fall weather conducive to camping?
I think it was cold/raining when Morgan disappeared. WHERE WAS LJM LIVING IN 2009? ANY ROOMIES?
The weather makes me think he worked “closer to home” for Morgan’s crime and maybe MUCH further aloft for Hannah’s.
Also, I agree 100% with Blink “I AM OF THE OPINION THAT MR.MATTHEW IS MUCH MORE MINDFUL THAN MANY ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR” and I think he changes his MO frequently (especially when a body is found.)
I’m of the mindset that he drove out of the area with Hannah to some extent.may have “camped” with her all weekend if he really didn’t return to his apt.
I hope the FBI is vigorously checking ALL highway/interstate camera recordings and not assuming he took only back roads. Also would be vital to know which route he took to Louisianna/Texas when he fled. Certainly cameras would have picked up his sister’s blue car along the route. Backtracking his exit route from CVille to Louisianna where he borrowed a phone may provide info re- familiar driving routes S or SW from CVille.
I read that a co-worker said he was sullen/quiet Monday/ early in the week after Hannah disappeared.
Therefore, I’m assuming he showed up for work Monday at the UVA hospital exhausted/drained.
Also I read that LJM DID NOT RETURN TO THE APT. OVER THE WEEKEND PER HIS ROOMMATES.
Is that false or true?
For some reason I thought LJM spent at least Friday and Sat nights away (maybe Sunday too) after Hannah disappeared ANYONE??
I had assumed roomies moved out of apt. in order to avoid scrutiny/media hounding/ association with LJM.
I hope you are right Rose that the roomies were moved/protected as potential witnesses for prosecution against LJM.
I’m still assuming there is no “crime scene” as police are actively asking for all sheds/empty structures to be checked on rural properties.
Very hard for me to imagine that JLM may have been working with his own father on some of this.
Not sure I can really wrap my brain around that. I understand that often serial rapists/murderers claim/appear to be from backgrounds of abuse and neglect by their fathers. His dad sounds rough/ troubled but I’m not convinced he is as depraved as his son.
Is an “indecent exposure” charge common for a rapist or is it merely a pervert who doesn’t “act out” further?
I’m clueless in this regard.
Does anyone have data/ numbers on how often a father/son might work together in such an evil way?
It seems unfathomable to me.
I was surprised to hear that investigators are exploring a familial connection (uncle-nephew I think) on the old cold case of the missing Lyon sisters (1975.) I guess this proves that they sometimes consider these familial links.
Coincidentally, they have been searching an area (Bedford) just 90 minutes drive southwest of Charlottesville and a 30-minute drive from Lynchburg for the Lyon sisters. I hope Hannah’s case encourages the FBI & VA state police to piece together many other cold cases/ find old evidence saved and run DNA through CODIS in order to clean up all these VA mysteries as much as possible.
Lastly, this is the first I’ve heard of his father living in Farmville, VA. Ugh- lots of sexual assault/ rape reported at Longwood University in Farmville.
There is a Robinson River Cemetery on Hunter Lane.
http://www.homefacts.com/cemeteries/Virginia/Madison-County/Brightwood/Robinson-River-Cemetery.html
The Ivy Creek area, and the Ivy Creek foundation re: the Carrs has been mentioned by several of you, as has the website been posted. From the website specifically I found this info on the Ragged Mountain area very interesting and relevant – “watershed” indeed:
“Other than a caretaker’s residence near the lower Reservoir Dam, there are no occupied dwellings on the 980-acre property. Ample evidence exists, however, of old homesteads, pastures, and logging roads. If not bisected by Interstate 64, the area would best be described today as relative wilderness.
Due to the property’s steep terrain and poor accessibility it has remained relatively free from public access. The lakes are known to local sportsmen for their excellent fishing and that remains the primary recreational activity. In recent years, illegal hunting and all-terrain vehicle trespassing have escalated.”
http://ivycreekfoundation.org/history/raggedmountain.html
can’t figure out how to bold the sections I want to call attention to, but just wanted to note:
- Dwellings, but no OCCUPIED dwellings;
- lakes known by locals for excellent fishing;
- illegal hunting and ATV trespassing possible
Do we know if this land has been searched yet? Feels like a fairly obvious spot for an avid fisherman with a family legacy connection to the land like JLM.
“Ode says:
October 3, 2014 at 7:55 pm
http://www.newser.com/story/196439/jesse-matthew-was-hiding-in-age-old-hiding-spot.html
******
Also name used was George Carr by JLM”
Wow, WOW. I am blown away by this. It’s like he’s been reading this site and wants to confirm our theories. (Or maybe he’s trolling us.)
@Aunt Annie: I agree, the Jamisha Gilbert case is really, really strange. Either someone chased her, or she had something in her system besides weed that doesn’t show up in toxicology.
Sorry, nobody who’s ever smoked marijuana hallucinates that badly and strips off their clothes. And I speak as someone who can’t handle marijuana in any amount without getting insanely paranoid. Still. I strongly feel that what happened to her was that that weed was laced with PCP (people often get naked on PCP),involved something hallucinogenic, or it wasn’t drugs or an accident at all. I don’t know how long PCP stays in the system though so I don’t know if it would have shown up on a drug test. Never smoke weed if you don’t know exactly who/where it comes from, because it could be laced with anything!
I think if the sketch had his arched eyebrows and a more youthful face, someone would have recognized him. I guess because his former known rapes were not prosecuted, he was not on the sex offenders list. Maybe universities need to prosecute ALL rapes and if anyone falsely accuses someone of rape, the consequences are very strict. What a very difficult legal issue we have in this country. This Jesse creep had better start talking. So, the only way we know how to get information out of them is to offer them a deal? (smack him around a bit) ..o did I say that?
naive question, but was every nook & cranny in the apt bldg
searched (basement, crawl spaces, storage)? and, could
he have access to rental storage, self, family member or friend?
There is a family member with rental storage I am aware of.
B
The Graham’s most recent plea for information was designed to appeal to someone with a heart. Someone who will provide information, not because of the reward, but to “end this nightmare.”
By mentioning Hannah’s brother and Hannah’s grandparents could they be hoping to identify with Matthew’s own sibling, grandparent? As if to say, “We know you understand this nightmare.”
Both appearances were drafted and directed by BAU. That said, my heart is broken for these parents- I am particularly proud of her Mother on this one. I don’t know that anyone who has not been in her direct shoes could ever truly understand the depths she went to do that. God Bless them, and I pray that those professing to be good christians that surround the Matthew family are cooperating and not hindering.
Hannah Graham is a child of God.
B
I think JM, with or without help, is using history to justify his actions.
I am no expert but enjoy the back and forth on this site and can speculate all day long.
I think LE, in this watershed case, have an enormous task on their hands.
I hope they find Hannah.
If in fact Matthew is guilty of anything beyond reckless driving, I think we are seriously testing the theory he does not hide his victims.
This is organized to be an outside search. I think it just needs to be a search and should include basements, closets, vehicle trunks, junk yards, outbuildings, storage lockers, vacant structures, mobile homes, etc.
There is nothing to suggest if the same person is responsible for Hannah and Morgan, he would follow the same protocol to dispose of his victim and leave her in an open field. This guy is mobile folks. Shows no reluctance to move across county lines, state lines or drive halfway across the US.
I agree with you. Two additional points- If he is smart enough to change high schools mid-course, get out of 2 allegations of rape ( that we know of) one on a full rider that DID NOT result in charges but had him expelled but he managed to get another “ride” at CNU toot sweet- one better be prepared to assume that the folks that hand out this money, that put their jobs and recruiting budgets on the line are not idiots and they are subject to liability through NACC. So this “aaw shucks if he were white and this was 1993 he would be Jesse Misskelley crap” does not wash with me. Consider this at 100,000 feet now- the NACC is knee deep in PSU- UVA ( among I want to say 55 others) are under investigation for Clery violations as I pointed out earlier. Could it be a case of such utter raw talent in Div 1 that Matthew, with all of the aforementioned idiosyncrasies are masked, tutored- overlooked? Not seeing that at all folks- he is not a Heisman contender, he is not even in the zip code of a draft pick. Who is watching too much Blindside? ( I say that respectfully as it is one of my all time faves and Michael Oher.)
He is not the African American slingblade.
Can it be that for at least 14 years- this man has eluded prosecution for nearly a dozen potential and ACTUAL offenses involving sexually motivated crimes because he has some sort of neuro deficit? Possible (cough).
OR- does he use the perceived charm of someone less criminally sophisticated to his advantage to rape and murder women? It is 101 if so-
Lastly- he had help, folks that know him have knowledge, and I daresay there are multiple offenders involved.
B
Why would shrewd come into play?
B
Bad choice of words. What I meant was I don’t think he is smart enough or historically knowledgeable enough for his placement of Morgan to be more than “he considered it a good place to leave her.”
I respect your opinion Tarheel and you may be right- but her location on AF and it’s access had to be from someone that was intimately familiar with that property. Of that I am positive.
B
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/missing-arkansas-college-student-found-dead-in-pond/ there was this case in Ark. IT is an old black slave cemetery,that rests Meriwether/Lewis slaves or kin.
Note the date. Jus sayin
B
a very informative article on Morgan’s site
http://www.readthehook.com/68819/trail-harringtons-body-creates-new-mysteries-angles
it repeatedly refers to so much barbed wire to cross and ground access.
Did they examine bordering bank of Hardware River
referred to in the article for marks of a beached canoe or flat bottom boat?
There are at least 4 traverseable entrances that one could use- I have been on the property. It is not as daunting as has been portrayed HOWEVER… the specific location of Morgan’s recovery would have to be one that the party responsible was very familiar with. It was also the only area that the hay was not cut that season.
B
So, if W&L put out an alert to their students the weekend that Hannah went missing that Sketch was seen in the Lexington area, do we think that JLM went down to Lexington during the two days no one is accounting for his whereabouts? What implication does this have on where Hannah could be?
Ode
Brightwood is located North of C’ville at the intersection of hwy 29 and 683 in Madison county. Hwy 683 is also called John Weaver Drive on Google Earth. This location is approx. 34 miles North of Charlottesville and seven miles North of Madison.
There is a community in the area, but it may be one of those that was originally a small town, with a post office, that simply die and then some years later are resettled as nearby communities grew large such as Culpeper that is about seven miles North and Madison to the South.
I am still looking for the cemetary. The Rapidan River forms the county line on the NE between Madison and Culpeper counties.There are small tributaries of the river in the area.
This could be another situation where JM followed one of the creeks such as he did with Morgan on the Hardware River at Anchorage Farms. It would be a little over a thirty minute drive from Charlottesville.
Re Blink
October 6, 2014 at 12:55 pm
There are at least 4 traverseable entrances that one could use- I have been on the property. It is not as daunting as has been portrayed HOWEVER… the specific location of Morgan’s recovery would have to be one that the party responsible was very familiar with. It was also the only area that the hay was not cut that season.
B
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Say what?-youve been on the property Blink ? That is news
Im sure it would be especially for those who said the Walk thru didnt include you because you were banned…..
Question, now knowing that you have been on the property was Morgan hidden by design or luck in a shallow or rut or was she not hidden or was she hidden by trees/uncut hay …IOW was it by design or luck??
Question would perp have to drive or would he have walked to reach the area?
…Im trying to think how much effort or planning went into AF-
If Hannah god forbid-suffered the same fate- then how much effort time and travel would perp and/or helper- use to scout area traverse area etc
still Praying
AJMO Peace
Lol, not banned, uninvited as a non-local media member. That changed immediately as you now know.
I am not permitted to discuss my observations there except to comment what was conveyed to me by a LE source upon arrival of the scene 1/26/10. I will impart my opinion based on a geo study BOC commissioned PRIOR to the walk thru ( likely why yours truly was not even given Bobbie Bouchet status) in context with source interviews.
The location specific to her recovery is not accessible by vehicle that is not a 4×4, but more importantly not a craft (ATV) designed to traverse that property. In my mind, Morgan was not assaulted where she lay- she was dumped. There was no efforts to hide her save for the fact that the portion of that property was not cleared of the hay that season. Her recovery was confined to an extremely small grid for the conditions.
I have seen considerations that she may have been placed in the upper creak area ( N Hardware/Fork) but I wish to point out that a water burial based on my knowledge base would be ruled out. Could she have been placed on the upper creek via some sort of fishing boat and traveled down the AF property? I have not done it personally- but I have studied hundreds of images to include water surveys and town meetings for resources and wetland studies ( omg- it really is 5 years of data for one case) and Mr. Bass did not cut the hay because the creek bed was dry. Yes, before anyone corrects me I know that it meets past where Morgan was found- however- I also know it was not a usable creek for water travel unless one was walking it.
Whoever placed Morgan Harrington on that land knew it, and they did so for a reason.
B
Alexandria
I think you are on the right track regarding prosecution for all rapes regardless if the accuser is not willing to cooperate with LE. I also believe that any young woman accuses a man of rape, she should follow through with LE. And, like you, a false accusation, if proven, should have severe consequences.
Nothing will change at the schools until culture changes. Young women who have poor safety and value systems will continue to make mistakes and the young men who have no respect for women will continue to take advantage. Parents should notify the school that if they have a daughter that will be attending, they expect and demand safety and behavior classes to be a part of every course of study at the school. If enough parents speak out for safety, things may change.
I also believe that schools would be well served to take DNA of all athletes and process them. There are methods of processing that have reduced the cost. Parents may be willing to pay for their student as a safety precaution.
Lastly- he had help, folks that know him have knowledge, and I daresay there are multiple offenders involved.
B
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“Sex ring” is how I’ve heard it described locally.
I don’t know what that means.
B
Blink,
I had not heard that information about that field being the only area where hay was not cut that season. That is a really, really significant piece of info. If you grow hay, you cut the fields at the end of the season even if the cutting is not good enough to feed or does not produce many bales. You do this to clear the field and fertilize to prepare the field for the following spring (ask me how the hay field next door smells right now with the chicken manure on it!). Anyone who has spent any time around a farm that produces hay knows this. So for someone to be confident that the field was not going to be cut so that a body could be disposed of in mid-October and not get discovered shows more of a connection to that particular farm than has been made public. That also blows away, at least in my mind, the theory that this guy is just plain lucky. And you are right–the terrain there is not nearly as daunting as made out by LE—that made me crazy every time the media/LE portrayed the topography as akin to the Himalayans.
Right dda- very significant not just for the very compelling reasons you mentioned- but as to access.
One is going to see flattened hay from that ridge, or from their tree stands- they just are.
Did not.
B
No flattened hay lends more support for the power line theory that we discussed many years ago. IIRC, you can travel down the power line from Red Hill pretty easily, into the wooded area, across the creek (many of which are dry this time of year), and you are at the edge of that field—would not have to travel through the tall grass much, if at all, to get to where Morgan’s body was discovered. There may be other ways too—but when I drove out there years ago and went down Red Hill, the power line looked like a straight shot to me. On a clear night with the moon half full to full, you wouldn’t even need lights.
I can’t disagree dda- as a possibility for sure, but from that access/egress it still forces an individual through barbed wire and gating at certain points in the dark and it was overcast/mist rain the night Morgan disappeared. I have not found a workable or feasible scenario on that property that does not include prior knowledge of that tract to date and I am sticking to it.
B
Interesting that you could choose a route right through Little Rock on the way to Galveston.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Galveston.com,+523+24th+Street+Rear+%23101,+Galveston,+TX+77550/Charlottesville,+VA/@33.6334925,-91.3236963,6z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x863f9e6bfba5af11:0xf94ceab23cd1b6ff!2m2!1d-94.794572!2d29.303553!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3862dea50a48f:0x9086f096c38b74fc!2m2!1d-78.4766781!2d38.0293059!5i2
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susanm says:
October 6, 2014 at 10:51 am
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/missing-arkansas-college-student-found-dead-in-pond/ there was this case in Ark. IT is an old black slave cemetery,that rests Meriwether/Lewis slaves or kin.
Note the date. Jus sayin
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I have chills folks. I have been trying to find this information about a girl found dead in a cemetery. I remember Dr. Pepper talking about it when it happened or she was talking about another one. Dr. Pepper if you are reading do you remember any of this?
Area of the cemetary Jamisha Gilbert- no ties to JLM to date, but it would not cross my desk as accidental hypothermia as investigated.
B
Re: sex ring– I doubt it is a technical term. The intent was to convey that multiple people are involved– how that may be, I do not know.
@Blink. wrt the high school & college opportunities, and local awards, and so on when he is not
Football Div I or Academic Div II, think pastoral care. That’s my bet.
Or what’s his mother’s job? maybe her Supv friends from the job aided
her struggling son.
@A Annie. wrt “Is an “indecent exposure” charge common for a rapist or is it merely a pervert who doesn’t “act out” further?” My own lay opinion is he probably has significant organic brain damage secondary to alcoholism and was inebriated. Imo his case relevance is his inability due to that illness to afford structure & supervision to his son, and perhaps contributed a substance abuse gene.
I believe that I saw a comment early on somewhere that the man we now know to be JM on the mall that night would not be a suspect because he was well known on the Mall, mentally slow, and harmless. In other words a friend to all who hangs on the mall. I do believe that was the early comment about JM.
I am also recalling that the description given by the white stalker on the mall of the man who put his arms around Hannah was fitting the description of small pot belly, short hair, goatee. I am not understanding where this description comes from unless from stalker man knowing JM ten years prior when he looked like this. Also when police see a white stalker acting suspicious and ducking into the shadows to follow HG on the video tape, and then get a description that matches the abductor but minus 10 years, and tell us that this white stalker has been cleared===?????
None of this computes as logical to me, whatsoever, neither the story of the white stalker, nor the police conveyance that this is all legitimate and no questions necessary to be asked.
@Blink. wrt “One is going to see flattened hay from that ridge, or from their tree stands- they just are.
Did not. ” B
Colleague in crime who hunts from a stand on the ridge?
That’s not Dad or Mom.
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I have a big time left field question. No need to post either.
Was JLM possibly molested growing up in school or church
and same remained a mentor in his life? (at least as to hunting)
Juvenile issues yes- no direct mention or evidence of sex abuse I am aware of to date.
B
OK Blink
your response to
dda says:
October 6, 2014 at 5:32 pm
convinces me the cortage came in the front door.
are you suggesting Blink that
when opportunity strikes,
JLM has a go to guy or group?
I am suggesting that there are folks with direct knowledge of JLM’s criminal activity and may be chargeable offenses to themselves.
B
Ode
Your linked route map is all on Interstate Highways with the time vs miles at 65 mph average and that is without traffic or stops for fuel or food and other needs. The primary route does have a section of U.S. 59 which is built to interstate standards from Texarkana to Houston.
The longest continuous drive where I was the sole driver that I have made was from Scottsdale Az. to my place in Texas, a distance of 1124 miles. That took from 7:00 A.M. one morning till 2:45 A.M. the next morning. While the route across Tenn. into Arkansas along I-40 does pass through Little Rock and then South on I-30, Getting through the cities of Memphis and both North Little Rock and Little Rock will take an hour each. Depending on the time of day, Houston would take two to three hours to cross. Heavy traffic begins 35 miles North of downtown and extends 40 miles South on I-75.
All of your Google map routes follow interstate highways that have multiple opportunities for county and state patrols to spot JM in his vehicle with Virginia plates.
From a position of knowledge, I would have used good secondary highways where state patrols are seldom found and only a few county patrols may be encountered.
In looking around the Brightwood area North of Madison, I found a location known as Graves Mill that is located on a small creek West of Virginia hwy 29. If JM was into making a statement with Morgan Harrington, he could do it again with Hannah.
I haven’t read about Jamisha’s case before tonight. The article I just read described how her car was found wrecked into the guardrail. Immediately I thought of the road rage incident JLM has been linked to in Charlottesville where JLM pursued a driver, boxed in the other driver’s car, punched him twice, and ultimately offered to drive his victim to the hospital. Could Jamisha have been forced off the road into the guardrail, or bumped into while driving, causing her to lose control of her car? Could someone like JLM have preyed upon her when she was stuck on the side of the road with a disabled car and no ride? Could he have apologized for a fender bender, presented himself as a really nice guy, and offered her a ride home or to the hospital? This all sounds a bit too familiar…