Kyron Horman Missing Case: Terri Horman Breaks Her Silence In People Magazine Interview

New York, NY-  For nearly five and a half years Terri Horman has refused to speak publicly about her step-sons case.  Outside of one assertion of her innocence while on the stand in a name change hearing she ultimately was denied, Horman did not speak to any reporters or answer any of their questions regarding Kyron Hormans disappearance. Until Now.

Horman courtesy of People

Horman was interviewed by People Magazines Elaine Aradillas for both the print and online editions,  and will be doing a series of personal interviews over the next week, to include wwww.blinkoncrime.com.

In the brief online video excerpt , the second part to air on ABC’s Good Morning America Friday morning,  Horman  maintains she is deaf in her left ear, a critical factor in the outcome of her first polygraph.

“… At what point are Kyron’s biological parents going to realize I don’t have the answers, they need to change this thing around…”

“…There is so much the public is not being told about this investigation, that’s why I am doing this- nobody is looking for Kyron…”

Horman’s interview drew sharp reactions from Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron’s parents.

“…Why is she silent for 5 1/2 years if she is innocent.  I want her to tell me where Kyron is.  If she is innocent she should call Multnomah County Sheriffs Office and sit down for an interview…”-  Desiree Young

“Hi friends. Yes I am well aware of the tabloid journalism piece in the media today. FYI – there will be more of the same coming Friday
We have a HOST of MCSO and FBI investigators STILL standing by with interviews and polygraphs when someone actually wants to cooperate. FEEL FREE TO STOP BY THEY ARE WAITING!! STILL!! Until then we’ll stick with the scores of people with valid/accurate information and the failed polygraphs as the only actual actions taken to-date.  To all of you: how about not linking the article/interview?
REMEMBER KYRON?!?!? This is what we need to be focused on!!
Love you Kyron!!” – Kaine Horman post on his Facebook Page

Christina Stoy, www.blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief was able to confirm with Ms. Horman directly that she has been willing to meet with Kyron’s investigators both previously and in the future with the sole provision that it be conducted in the presence of her Attorney,  Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze.

Horman went on to say that investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have been well aware of “that” over the last five and a half years and they have never requested an interview.  Um, What?

Horman reveals some shocking details about the subsequent polygraphs examinations referenced by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young and other allegations of improper tactics on behalf of MCSO in the second half of her interview to air tomorrow morning on abc’s GMA and on Nightline.

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4,701 Comments

  1. cd says:

    oundog says:
    August 24, 2016 at 10:52 am
    KM has used an accident involving one one Kaine’s BACA friends to announce on FB that she spent time with little K. So she is his go-to for babysitting needs? If I were him I would have forbidden the reference to my daughter on social media by any and all long ago.
    ——–
    JMO
    I think KM and Kaine are still together. I can’t guess the reason why they would want people to believe that they are no longer together but I believe that even though they no longer co-habit they are still very much a couple. So KM is probably still Kiara’s caretaker when Kaine can’t be there.

    Nah.
    In the vernacular, FB’s maybe, but that’s it.
    B

  2. Rose says:

    Still thinking Houndog.
    These posts by the Antimother are as likely father-directed as not.
    If I wanted my wife to settle rather than litigate custody, I’d have a thrice-married homeless
    paramour FB here and there she’s “new mommie” to drive Real Mommie to desperation for a
    scintella of (false) hope that settlement would progress seeing her child. On that theory, the “mother’s day card FB” and the “I’m spending time with k FB” both likely occurred at critical visitation junctures when KH wants Terri to “give” on something or loose her temper and make a misstep. As Terri begins visits, I woukd expect him to step up k’s time with the Antimother. After all Antimother has been KH’s skilled FB site mgr for the BKH Fdtn and the Car Show since Cindi Massei left that role iirc, so she knows what she’s doing for Kaine FBwise.

    I am not disclosing how I know this, so one can weigh that as one wishes, but it is a fair statement that Kaine’s relationship with Mickelson, and her subsequent FB postings, kids tweets, etc, have not been well received by those in charge of her care. And when I say “her care”, I mean the ongoing reunification process- make no mistake about it- Kaine may have full physical custody of his daughter, but Kiara is in the care of the court regarding all things associated with her that could affect the agreement. Since I know him to be all about control- I really have to believe he is mostly absent from checking KM’s facebook posts, lol.
    B

  3. Rose says:

    In 2010 Solar4Schools was just getting started in OR.
    Its staff were a handful of white males who were both project
    installation mgrs and “teachers” at sites. Iirc they mostly had an
    engineering or electrical type background. Skyline was among the first.
    Then BEF spread it to Oregon, the NW region, then the country.
    Tho a nonprofit, I bet BEF is a big moneymaker. and also supports
    the west coast solar panel mfg industry.

  4. Rose says:

    Well, Blink, what about the Big Hill-Mickelson family reunion at the recent kyron car show replete with Dau#1 visiring from California and iirc her bf? She once tweeted she did NOT want to return to Oregon. And Antimother controlled the Car Show FB page did she not, and put mutiple pics of k up? In what context? Those pics were taken and ported from another FB, and not by her.

    There is nothing on the car show FB page about a relationship with Kaine. As I posited earlier, they may be FB’s- but to my knowledge they are not a couple. Dau #3 goes to school (or did) with Kyrons old classmates as I understand it.
    Is KM what I call an “injector”? Definitely.
    B

  5. Rose says:

    He may be mostly absent from KM’s FB so he can truthfully swear “I didn’t know.”
    Nevertheless, I consider her truthful when averring she had kiara quality time. (I am relying on Houndog’s veracity, as I, like perhaps Kaine, would never go there.) That means custodial father is at times fostering visits with her….unlike his stance re Real Mommie.

  6. Rose says:

    yes, KM is an interjector.
    Wrt the investigation, imo KH’s linguistic choices posit same re him.
    or a wannabe.

    Dau 3 aged out of Skyline, & perhaps KM moved to Dau 2′s former HS.
    Personally, I wish Dau 3 every success, and Dau 2 relief from …
    well, all those things impoverished students must handle who lack family financial help.

  7. Rose says:

    the List again.
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0

    3 paras are on the List (gonzalez, meskimen, pettigel. Idk how many paras Skyline had in 2010, maybe 4?.)
    My memory is the Resource Terrones and one para were away that day. Could’ve been a Central Office IEP, a Conference, or Training or GKnowsWhat, and there was one sped dept sub. I got it before by googling each person on the list, and it was a female.

    As to an Evaluator, there may have been one there, but they are members of Central Office Spec Ed, and do specific children, and not intensively over time, unless maybe severe autism or MR. In my experience, Evaluators of LD would spend at most 2 hours on site. Of course, there are also OT Evaluators, and Speech Language Evaluators, and less likely, Psychologists

  8. Tiny says:

    I’m back from 36 hours down the rabbit hole, only to find Quizzie’s awesome stuff. I’m planning on going up to Skyline soon so the photos and maps help. Thank you. Sadly, although I have been on searches, I’ve not been to Skyline. No explanation on that one.
    I wish in all of the 6 years of reading about this, I’d kept notes. I was looking for Matthew’s full name and refreshed myself on all the other crap……..rabbit hole!
    Bottom line…I wanted a time line to show to a person who used to be a die hard THM and Dede did it believer. The result was a good refresher in what a colossal mess this is, all to cover PPS/MCSO and God knows what else.

  9. Rose says:

    I hope TH hung onto her 2010 school directory and has every staff member and family at the SF annotated.
    (on the other hand, she is hopefully looking forward not backward and seizing life’s joys with family and work.)

  10. Rose says:

    wrt car show attendance by multiple Mickelson-Hills, if they are not a couple,
    why did family travel up from CA for a reunion for THIS car show?
    You’d think the reunion would’ve been at Dau 3′s graduation from MS.
    KM’s mother, sister had seemed more involved in kyron’s disapearance than
    her children. Why interject the family at the car show if KH has no relationship?
    Why sculpt the head (one assumes Dau 1 did those honors)?
    Sorry, I’m not buying.

  11. A Texas Grandfather says:

    A possible answer to Quizical’s parking by the dumpster is that the lots were full and no other places were available.

    If my memory is correct, the person responsible for cutting the grass was discussed early regarding his presence at the soccer field. I even traced the elevations on the perimeter of the field to try and determine the difficulty of driving around the field to get to the wooded area North or to leave the area via the West side of the field. With only six inches of elevation difference, it is very possible in any type of vehicle.

    Dave Stenson
    B

  12. Cindy says:

    Why is not SZ the center of this investigation?
    I dont know. It is absolutely against every investigative protocol I am aware of-
    B

  13. Rose says:

    also, a 7 yo did not go out this year, buy and deliver, or buy and mail,
    a Mothers Day card to KM all by herself….

    was not this year if true.
    B

  14. T. Ruth says:

    RE: the Keefer promo thing, (duh!) thanks I was thinking it was something new and paid no attention to the article’s date.

    ************
    @erose, truck/white pickup could certainly be a red herring, but according to Blink’s account here, SZ used the word truck to Matthews, that doesn’t mean he had one of course, could have been any vehicle, RV, van, car, pearl-glazed hot rod, who knows.

    “There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.”

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/#more-6893

    JK’s double-sighting of the white pickup on his road, along with his neighbor, could have simply been a very odd coincidence, which we can just stack up upon all the others.

  15. Rose says:

    @Blink wrt “pics were taken and ported from another FB, and not by her.”
    Who moderates the Kyron Car Show FB? Who owns the site? It was the sole
    promotional vehicle for the major yearly fundraiser.
    Is Kaine solely responsible for this promotional internet vehicle
    which featured several pics of k?

  16. Rose says:

    a compilation of Neighbor comments
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8661.235;wap2

    By Sept, she’d swallowed the mcso line TH was not talking.

    She’d talked multiple times to MCSO and endured multiple propert searches.

    It is interesting she said chaperones were limited to parents, 8th graders, and
    “special ed teachers.”

    In fact she served as a chaperone only because her warm body in her child’s classroom was drafted by her child’s teacher in the classroom, not thru advance signup, and she says that was the model. This was a remarkably unorganized inhouse field trip. And wasn’t Porter in charge of planning?

    So, she too is confused about “special ed teachers” because there was only 1 special ed teacher in the school, and he was gone that day. There were 3 sped paraeducators on the List who are not certified teachers. So they functioned as chaperones. My memory is a 4th was on staff in 2010 and was away that day like Terrones.

    I noticed from her physical plant description, whether Kyron left via Matthews’ door, or his own classroom, both fed out the same side by the soccer field. When K scooted to Matthews’ then, SZ really didn’t have to vary his marching orders.

  17. T. Ruth says:

    Where do posts go that just disappear? Same place single socks go?

    LOL, try again.

    First thanks for pointing out that was an old article about the PPS principals being promoted. Duh, I forgot to look at the date, no wonder it made no sense.

    *************

    @erose, Regarding the truck/white truck being a red herring, of course it could be. However, according to Blink, SZ was heard requesting help to bring in something from his “truck”. Doesn’t mean he even had one of course, could have been any vehicle, a RV, Van, Stanard Car, or a trumped-up pearl-glazed hot rod for all we know. (In fact, if that person actually abducted Kyron, why on earth would he honestly tell someone what he was driving?)

    The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.

    “…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.”

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-2/

    If it wasn’t a truck or a white truck, then we can just chalk up JK’s afternoon sighting (and/with his neighbor’s late night sighting) as one more odd coincidence to stack up on top of all the others in this case.

  18. T. Ruth says:

    @rose, I remember looking extensively into all that solar stuff, plus, don’t forget the wind turbine energy which was just in the process of being installed and then halted.

    If I did not know that in every case I have worked on personally, (EMPHASIS ADDED ON EVERY) the back to the beginning approach was ALWAYS successful in the outcome, I would think we were moving in circles in some aspects. I know, unequivocally, this devil is in the details . The TMH smokescreen has done wonders to cloak a perp and conceal a little boys fate.
    B

  19. Rose says:

    do you know anything about this outfit?
    https://www.pdi-web.com/kidnapping-investigation-ransom.html

    nothing and personally- anyone advertising for services related to kidnappings is not credible to me.
    B

  20. erose says:

    My most humble opinion, but this is more the type that comes to my mind that would fit Blink’s profile to me. I also wonder about the PPS IT people, because of the deleted information. Perhaps they deleted the fact of their own presence at the school on June 4, working on the system.

    Rose says:
    August 25, 2016 at 2:35 am

    In 2010 Solar4Schools was just getting started in OR.
    Its staff were a handful of white males who were both project
    installation mgrs and “teachers” at sites. Iirc they mostly had an
    engineering or electrical type background. Skyline was among the first.
    Then BEF spread it to Oregon, the NW region, then the country.
    Tho a nonprofit, I bet BEF is a big moneymaker. and also supports
    the west coast solar panel mfg industry.

  21. rose says:

    How does one search back to post-mothers day this year to see who posted KM referred to a MD card on FB
    other than going page by page back. I tried a few google terms & cant get there.

  22. rose says:

    ” The TMH smokescreen has done wonders to cloak a perp and conceal a little boys fate.
    B”

    that smokescreen was publicized and hammered home by the Youngs and their associates and by Kaine, MUCH more so than by DA/MCSO. So why? esp wrt the Youngs?

    I dont know that we will ever understand that.
    B

  23. rose says:

    About Evaluator. i forgot in addition to OT, SPED, and S/Lang, there are also central office Behaviorists.
    However I expect they do one time evals and rely on teacher reports. Would do a followup observation after
    intervention recommendation’s implemented. over to mbs.

  24. T. Ruth says:

    I am of the mind, that nothing is EVER going to come of this case, if someone doesn’t take PPS to task. Frankly, I don’t see anyone doing that, not this far out. IMHO, the hidden keys to this case are there! Why his bio’s have never done that, I don’t think I’ll ever understand. Also, why not one reporter ever bothered to ask them why they did not sue PPS, I’ll never understand either. Why was it so quickly decided by the media that Skyline had done no wrong is beyond me. Who was holding the hammer above media’s head(s)? Particularly WW, they dropped any and all investigation into Ky’s disappearance altogether. Who the hell decides a little 7 year old child’s disappearance isn’t worth reporting on, or doing diligent investigation on, and just isn’t a story worth reporting anymore. (Good grief, we all know the clicking that was going on for these media sites! What trumps that?) Something very, very bizarre went on here. Someday it will be news. Far too late and far too long for it to be newsworthy, and someone, somewhere is counting on that. JMO

  25. Quizzical says:

    @rose says:
    August 25, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    This seems like the post in question:

    https://www.facebook.com/LuvinMy3Girlz/posts/10206473616501760

    Not sure it is definitive, I suppose the card could be from some other 7 year old girl.

    FWIW, I scrolled back past May then did a “find”.

  26. MockingbirdSings says:

    Rose says:
    August 25, 2016 at 11:40 am
    the List again.
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9183.0

    3 paras are on the List (gonzalez, meskimen, pettigel. Idk how many paras Skyline had in 2010, maybe 4?.)
    My memory is the Resource Terrones and one para were away that day. Could’ve been a Central Office IEP, a Conference, or Training or GKnowsWhat, and there was one sped dept sub. I got it before by googling each person on the list, and it was a female.

    As to an Evaluator, there may have been one there, but they are members of Central Office Spec Ed, and do specific children, and not intensively over time, unless maybe severe autism or MR. In my experience, Evaluators of LD would spend at most 2 hours on site. Of course, there are also OT Evaluators, and Speech Language Evaluators, and less likely, Psychologists
    —————————————–

    @Rose –
    An evaluator could come from Multnomah County Educ Service District (MESD), not necessarily PPS, depending on what/who is to be observed. It is highly unusual for any Special Ed work like that to be done so late in the year because of deadlines for large amounts of Sp Ed paperwork as the school year ends and it would be hard to get a team together to finish anything before the work year ends. It would have to be because someone is (late?) finishing up a case file, or perhaps a family anticipating a move out of district and needing file work to transfer, because otherwise, the usual thing after mid-May would be to offer suggestions and resources for summer for the parent, and set an appointment to continue just before school starts.

    The term “Evaluator” is not one we ever used in my years in PPS. It was always “the person’s position doing an evaluation of” – example, “the autism specialist is doing a follow up evaluation of Student B”, or “the OT will evaluate how Student G is doing with a particular assistive device”. Seems a minor thing, but the first time I read there was an “Evaluator” present, I really didn’t recognize what that meant. Perhaps they have established a category or job for that now – doesn’t sound friendly to me.

  27. erose says:

    Rose, Go back one page, [click on older comments] you have to go back one page to get the numeric page # to show up in the search bar, then I change the page# in the search bar to target roughly what page I think the date I am looking for would be on. For example; change the 84 in the below link to 50 and you will land on May 22. (Post Mother’s Day.)

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-84/#comments

  28. A Texas Grandfather says:

    A big question is why would Mrs. mathews allow a 2nd grade student who is small in statue to go outside to help unload a truck? Even in my days at school that would never happen unless the teacher recognized the adult. A little guy would never have been allowed to do that. It would have been two or more large boys. A smart person would have directed that the man go to the office and ask for assistance.

    Mrs. Mathews is at fault for allowing any second grade child in her class to do such a thing. She should have been questioned at length by a quality investigator.

  29. erose says:

    TRuth, IDK what to make of the early hours of June 5 white truck sighting by Kelley. I am just trying to look at everything we think we know and questioning it. Maybe Kelley told the truth, maybe he lied, maybe KH & TY went out in the truck and drove around the neighborhood to look for Kyron. I think that’s what I would do if LE let me. How could they just sit still in that house for hours on end? I would want to be in motion, unless I was paralyzed with fear.

    T. Ruth says:
    August 25, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    Is the truck sighting the same location as the FBI showing up and asking someone if he knew the couple there with the small child?
    B

  30. erose says:

    My take away is TP did not use the exact terminology of the position of Kyron’s chaperone, so Shelby spun it for his public statement.

    Rose says:
    August 25, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    snip>

    So, she too is confused about “special ed teachers” because there was only 1 special ed teacher in the school, and he was gone that day. There were 3 sped paraeducators on the List who are not certified teachers. So they functioned as chaperones.

    I trust Rose’s knowledge on this issue- I do not know the difference between the “evaluator” and the others, except to say I am certain the students arent told what she was really there for.
    B

  31. rose says:

    nice 1998 Conclusion paragraph:
    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1270857.html
    I wonder if PPS personnel supervising Adaptive PE ever changed or the work culture did?
    There was an itinerant Adaptive PE employee at Skyline in 2010.

  32. rose says:

    I was looking to see if central office ieps were restricted to Fridays in 2010.
    that woukd explain Terrones absence and explain why a parent or staffer told Blink
    a central office “Evaluator” did not appear on Fridays.

  33. rose says:

    This
    https://specialedwoesatportlandpublicschools.wordpress.com
    led me to this looking up Jeff,
    http://www.pps.net/Page/622
    on that pg, was a link to this chart.
    http://www.pps.net/cms/lib8/OR01913224/Centricity/Domain/178/201516%20PA%20Assignments%20with%20phonenumbers%20%20ASD.pdf

    From the chart I gather Keefer’s moves have been to different clusters. He has been in 3 clusters while principal. Is this normal at the eled/ms level mbs? It’s not normal in my county.
    —–
    If a Bonneville employee or Sub was SZ, Kyron coukd’ve come to
    his attention because Terri wrote some instructional thing for S4S didn’t she?

  34. rose says:

    OT If AG Rosenblum wants the Federal bench, Holton apparently holds the trump card for same:
    http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/08/25/heres-who-attended-the-clinton-campaigns-closed-fundraising-event/
    He was far more experienced than her in the 2012 race, but the marijuana legalization lobby defeated him.

  35. rose says:

    In 2009 this man was hired by BEF to manage the new Solar4Schools staff and projects
    http://m.dailytidings.com/article/20091112/NEWS02/911120316
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/dick-wanderscheid-b57b4639
    I bet he paid site visits to Skyline,
    the first PPS S4S, in 2010 (began supervising S4S in 1/10).

  36. rose says:

    At any rate, he could list the 09-10 Skyline project staff and subs on site.

  37. Houndog says:

    rose says:
    August 25, 2016 at 8:59 pm
    How does one search back to post-mothers day this year to see who posted KM referred to a MD card on FB
    other than going page by page back. I tried a few google terms & cant get there.

    It was me, Rose. The post by KM was placed on May 10 2016.

  38. rose says:

    Amy Wang featured Skyline in the O, Jan 2010.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2010/01/with_help_from_portland_eco-sc.html
    She and the O photographer chose to publish an appealing little boy pic,
    not 8th graders. (and who’s cleared Brink?) Who knows what back
    to nature type tore this out of the print edition for his bulletin board?

  39. T. Ruth says:

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1038092009614053&id=161645780592018

    @rose ^^^^ June 30, 2016 KWS comment about the MD card. (whether true or not?)

  40. T. Ruth says:

    @rose:

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-69/#comments

    Houndog says:
    July 1, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @Rose
    Here’s what Krisin wrote on her FB regarding a Mother’s Day card…

    “That moment you get a Mother’s day gift with a handwritten card from a certain 7 year old who holds your heart…..and it couldn’t be more perfect! Even when she asks why I’m crying…nothings wrong baby girl my heart is exploding!!! God I miss that girl! #alwaysloveher #loveherlikemyown #meltingmyheart #mamabear”

    After looking through her page for a bit I’ll admit she seems like a caring, responsible mother to her girls at least on the surface IMO.

    Houndog- I am not one to make assumptions or cast dispersion on someone I have never interviewed. That said- I look to the circumstances of their own words/behavior. 1. Does anyone think it is a breach of trust to post that incident “if true” on FB in the first place? Assuming I have reason to believe Kitty is not reading FB- it certainly was not posted for her benefit- but for some other intention. To sharpen a point here- KM likely does not include the former twitter accounts of all 3 of her dau’s which would directly contradict the “responsible mother” theory. KM’s recent postings concern me because to be as frank as possible- this child has been used as a pawn way too inappropriately as is, imo.

    B

  41. T. Ruth says:

    I take back what I said about the trophies being cool. I did like the old gas pump, but a trophy with what I guess is supposed to be Kyron’s head sticking out of a vintage Volkswagen bus? That is beyond weird. Who designed that trophy? What were they thinking?

    https://www.facebook.com/671472942913914/photos/?tab=album&album_id=691869340874274

    I did not notice that previously. The multi-layered plethora of ways that is beyond disturbing swirling through my head notwithstanding, I will simply say- that wins. It wins for being the single most bizarre thing I have EVER seen the parent of a missing child, or adult for that matter, do.

    Is someone trying to depict Kyron on a road trip? Fighting to get out of a VW bus? Talk about a departure from reality in every sense.

    B

  42. rose says:

    TY TRuth. Looks like B checked that
    out and has alerted us: “not this year” if true.

  43. rose says:

    “That is beyond weird. Who designed that trophy? What were they thinking?”
    TRuth. The show sponsor puts the same on for many nonprofits.
    He makes money and sell used cars.
    Kaine is merely along for the ride imo.
    (and the attention and recognition and testosterone.)
    He didn’t order and pay for the trophies imo, Mall guy did.
    Continues to speak very adversely to kaine’s judgment
    wrt his kyron enterprises and associates.

  44. rose says:

    I’ll be honest, this type of show appeals to a blue collar
    crowd.

  45. rose says:

    TY TRuth. I see the card’s source was “Lyin’ Soldier” to coin a Trumpism. You know
    her statements on WS are so untruthful and detached from reality,
    but the Arditos of the world still ask her to opine.

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