Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes

I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010.    Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past,  I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another.   This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases.    I am proud of that.  I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.

Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom,  Terri Horman.   Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey.    Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child.    There are dozens of sources,  collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.

Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did.  I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping.  Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode.    When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her,   I most certainly respected that.  I still do.

While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure,   I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth.  There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions.     Not what I signed on for.   A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience.   He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.

I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.   I appreciate your patience and your understanding.   Feel free to discuss the show below.

 

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  1. Rose says:

    nice to see you, cd2

    here is the history & current state of the law in OR on the making of a GJ transcript & its disclosure:
    https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/01/16/prosecutors-said-recording-oregon-grand-juries-would-be-a-disaster-they-were-wrong/

    Prior to the 2017 law there were NO GJ transcripts OR.
    What you experienced was the norm. DAs bitterly fought it.
    They argued on the financial burdens of record keeping grounds.
    But that was not it. The real reason was DAs could indict anyone
    for anything & get charges bcz Defense attorney was not involved.
    DAs eschewed the other route to get charges OK’d—Preliminary Hearings—
    because defendant & defense could test the
    evidence & a Judge determined the charges if any. That would stat-wise make DAs like Multnomah’s look pretty bad. Kinda interesting Rod retirely relatively youthfully without a groomed successor concurrent with
    the passage of a law requiring talibg & disclosure to defense just before it’s implemented in his County. Bet something’s going on with one of the GJs he’s in the middle of.

    The 2017 law OKd taping of the GJ & release to the Defense for the purpose of defense
    BUT NOT to the public. The law was test implemented in 3 Counties only & found
    not to be a financial burden.

    Anyway, there’s no way in hell any of TH-targeted GJs were either taped or had a transcript. The law was the converse & Rod fought the 2017 bill hard like his peers.

  2. Rose says:

    Oh, I see.
    The Pod4 ad that promises it’s based on “official” GJ “transcripts”
    is titled a “Dr. Phil in the Blanks” podcast series.
    He sure does fill in those blanks.
    I know someone else who does that.

    All I can say is that unequivocally and without exception any assertion that Dr. Phil McGraw and/or anyone associated with his program has ever had access or that they have reviewed ANY of the two grand jury “transcripts” or any “material” associated with same is patently false.
    I doubt any readers here believed that claim in the first place, and it simply served to indicate the lack of factual information anyone associated with the hater crater has or had. Reminder: Dr. Phil’s OWN program expert stated publicly the evidence reviewed points AWAY from Terri.
    B

  3. Rose says:

    Thank you kindly Rose.
    Appropriately humbled and with great respect to any and all that most certainly have far more serious med injuries/issues, I am optimistically feeling I am starting the upswing, lol. 5 ortho and major nerve surgeries in 2 1/2 years (last 5 mos. ago) and the ensuing compensation/overuse injuries that follow are currently being scheduled to reside in my rear view once I complete latest PT. Hope and goals my dear Rose, hope and goals. Xo

  4. Rose says:

    ot

    for those who’ve become FB fans thru Soldier’s relentless disinformation, untruths & stalking, see this opportunity from Rep Katie Porter: “Mark Zuckerberg pre-screened questions at a public event this week.
    Luckily, I have a chance to ask him tough questions on Wednesday.
    Are you a current/former Facebook employee or concerned citizen worried about FB & our democracy?
    Email me at FacebookQuestions@mail.house.gov “ also her twitter has a link to live stream of the hearing.

  5. Rose says:

    Desiree’s illiterate right arm at fundraising and information dissemination, Soldier’s FB page, baldly states DeDe Spicher was “terri’s helper on June 4, 2010” and points out her town. Facebook needs regulation so it is held accountable for stalking, libel, & disinformation untruths. Go for it Repr Katie Porter, CA.

    Agreed, wonder how the book is coming along.
    B

  6. erose says:

    o/t Rose, IMO, while the FB debate is important, I think it is meant to take our eyes of the (new) ball – smart speakers. If that isn’t Big Brother, I don’t know what is. The government is not keeping pace with consumer protections on tech advances and our young generation (by design) doesn’t value privacy, so in the end they will have none.

    WRT FB and “the truth” who decides on what is the truth anymore? I learned truth was fact based and proven. Now we have my truth, your truth, formerly known as our opinions. I kind of felt for Zucherberg when AOC confronted him. Who are the fact checkers?

    https://www.gq.com/story/aoc-grills-mark-zuckerberg

    Interesting times…also, did you read about TikTok?

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/25/china-national-security/

  7. cd2 says:

    I am pretty sure DD has legally stopped DY from spreading lies about her. I wish there was some way to do the sane with Soldier. I have heard DR. FillUp has said some things about DD in his pod cast. Maybe DD can sue over that mis- information or insinuations that cause her to have harassment. Phil/CBS must have pretty deep pockets.

  8. erose says:

    o/t Was just told by my son that speakers are just as invasive on privacy as smart phones. So…we’re all public now.

  9. Rose says:

    notable Frink comments.
    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/10/prominent-portland-attorney-derek-ashton-arrested-and-booked-into-jail.html
    Goes to character.

    Super Interesting from Frink- Rose I agree. I actually also agree with Frinks opinion as I understand the issue- if this was a settlement in the framework of a civil case then I don’t understand the charges because the “tolled” statutes that applied in the first place. If we have a gj transcript now, you can bet the pre trial motions will be massive.

    If Bean engaged in any sexual activity with a minor he should be brought to justice- that said, nobody has the right to usurp a persons right to counsel either. Do these charges represent a repayment to the victim that was actually paid to a different attorney who in turn did not pay the client? Was the gj told of this?
    B

  10. erose says:

    o/t Blink, Hope you are hanging in there. Did you see this? What about the last sentence in the article that Sandusky will be “re-sentenced.” For why?

    Penn State launches new investigation into Sandusky sexual abuse allegation

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/penn-state-launches-new-investigation-into-sandusky-sexual-abuse-allegation/ar-AAJFpaS?li=BBnba9I

    erose, ty. Sigh… all I have to say today on the struggle to healing and wellness.

    So Sandusky is the latest benefactor from a SCOTUS decision (Alleyne v US) which in PA became “inline” with Apprendi v NJ) that basically makes sentencing guideline minimums and now maximums that were mandatory part of an indictment and/or charging process that involve elements of a crime to be specifically proven to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. In short, a jury must now prove the “triggers” which, if posited in any crime that therefore is attached statutorily to sentencing passed by a Judge. In Alleyne, an example would be that sentencing guidelines in Fed court differ when a firearm is used in the commission of a crime, as to whether or not it is brandished, and further as to the allegation as to whether or not it was fired. “Used” gets the 5 yr minimum, brandished is 7 and so on. In many ways it is similar to certain capital cases which require notice to defendants when “aggravators exist” that can qualify for a sentence of either LWOP or death. Cases (like Sandusky) where the elements were not specifically adjudicated per se will qualify for resentence under this ruling, but not reverse or remand as to verdict.

    As far as this “new” allegation, too early to tell the trajectory or impact but I certainly believe there are scores of victims of his that are unknown publicly.
    B

  11. Rose says:

    @ cd/erose. As one glances at the stalking, untruths, $ solicitations (for Desiree) & therefore actual harm to finding kyron’s abductor on Stacey’s Facebook, it prompts an outcry for Federal regulation because such could not happen in the print world. There needs to be something like the SEC or FEC or numerous other Federal Commissions charged with Federal regulation & ENFORCEMENT of specific industries. FB & Twitter are the tip of an industry iceberg & America has never been reluctant to regulate on behalf of consumers & industry participants before.
    (no fan of AOC erose. I saw only snips of Zuck Qing on twitter, but he surprised me as not being very bright w/abstract reasoning nor mental agility facility, but rather verbalized repetitive facile PC talking pts apparently memorized.)

    A minor example of regulatory possibilities. I have a Stacey-like niece who apparently inherited the borderline/sociopathy features of a minority of the family tree who posts reviews for profit & whom I chanced on posted an untrue paen to her grandmother my mother whilst product-selling, posting twice my image (as a child).. (not her own mother’s image) w/out notice or permission from me. It is illegal to post another’s image for profit. It would be super easy for FB before a person posting an image of another —who is not a FB “friend” attachment—to require a release, easy to achieve electronically, which public schools & others require all the time & is an accepted requirement in neighborhoods etc. A small regulatory nitpick, but FB should require a release of the image holder if not a FB Friend. That alone would’ve protected DD & THV from delusional Stacey.

  12. Rose says:

    ot @erose about those mic dangers. Tonight when I saw my twitter followers had crept from 10 to 12 I went to block the new strangers & inadvertently hit my profile (non)pic, & found all my photos appeared. I learned in some new silent download from twitter there is a microphone you must turn off, as well as photo access, & a new auto refresh has been driving users nuts the last 2 days & you can turn that off too. It’s really bad when new versions of appls do things like turn on yr phone mike & don’t tell you.

    More OT got a new book at library EB White “On Democracy”—some compilation just issued.
    The 2 chapters I’ve read thus far—Unity & on the HUAC—are just outstanding & timely.

  13. erose says:

    Blink, It’s those “groundhog” days that’ll get to you. (Get up, exercise, eat, rest, exercise, lunch…day after day after day, same ol’.) And then you have to set the clock back, so you want to go to bed at 6! Hang in and on, getting better slowly is still getting better.

    erose says:
    October 31, 2019 at 9:26 pm
    snip>
    erose, ty. Sigh… all I have to say today on the struggle to healing and wellness.

  14. erose says:

    Rose, Those new versions is one way they get us. It’s one thing to update to fix something, it’s quite another to develop a user base and then auto-update with something no one signed on for. It reminds me of the old opt out clause. Why should I ever have to opt out of something I never asked for or agreed to?

  15. oldladysmith says:

    If grand jury testomony is secret how would soldier know dede pled the fifth?

  16. oldladysmith says:

    OK I see now it was a deposition not grand jury.Sorry

  17. BOC Staff says:

    No worries, you are correct.

  18. Rose says:

    can you republish your first characterization of the perpetrator?
    All I remember is tech sophisticate & proximity to a go to ground,
    loosely remembered.

    I’m going to have to look up my “first”. It evolved over time, investigation and frankly training and education. Absent other evidence it has to be suspect zero, the last unidentified male Kyron was seen with.
    B

  19. Rose says:

    Desiree should be bitter a sketch of “last man”
    was never immediately
    developed then publically
    released.

  20. Ode says:

    Just want to wish everyone happy Thanksgiving and the beginning of the holiday season. I hope you are all blessed by having family close.

  21. Rose says:

    And to you Ode. and ATexasGrandfather, MockingbirdSings, Malty,
    & Kyron Horman may he be found. & may Soldier get her
    comeuppance for her criminal stalking behaviors.

  22. erose says:

    Agree, Rose. Even if she thought TH conspired with the “last man.” Why wouldn’t she want to find him and get the truth out of him. I don’t understand this group.

    Rose says:
    November 28, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    It’s just not reasonable from any perspective whether one opines TH is involved or not.
    It’s simply the hater crater.
    B

  23. erose says:

    justice4kyron says:
    December 14, 2010 at 12:01 am

    “I think suspect zero in this case has a description, but that’s it. I pray I am wrong.
    B

    **It is a commonly used investigative term when there is no suspect but a profile.
    B
    **

    Blink, can you please share suspect zero’s description/profile with us?
    Prayers for Kyron
    Opportunist Sexual Predator Pedophile- Highly organized offender, serial.
    No kids of his own, possible divorce.
    Possibly dated someone with kids in the area.
    Skills or resources to go underground quickly and for sustained periods of time.
    Able to function undetected in the community, but familiar enough to fit in.
    No electronic footprint, but has masterful IT skills
    Has had access to Skyline prior to 6/4/10 possibly through work, which I would guess is construction/electric/plumbing related.
    Before you ask, yes, I believe Kyron ran into him in the “Cool Electric” Science Fair displays.
    I have no idea how he might be connected to TH or RS, and neither does MCSO or they would have a suspect.
    If he is profiling low risk kids (in his opinion) it would be his MO to have been around his victims and have a level of understanding of their family dynamic. In other words, he has assessed in advance
    Imo, that is the missing link. I believe they have a physical description of him, thus the facial recognition portion of the cameras and the statement it was an isolated incident. That is the only way that statement does not sound irresponsible to me.
    He will set off some people’s “satellites”, but with no obvious justification. An example-

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-75/

  24. erose says:

    Read and reread the profile. Blink, Why did you think “masterful IT skills?”

  25. erose says:

    This is a keeper.

    jan says:
    December 14, 2010 at 11:40 pm
    Blink,
    Does the Spring 2010 Skyline auction hold any clues?
    There is electrical, plumbing, computer, electric-cool, not to mention farms, gardening, carpet, river boat rides.
    Spring Auction list includes:
    Electrical Service with Access Electric & Construction, LLC
    Craig Anderson Plumbing, Inc
    Computer services by staff:
    Optimize Your Personal Computer (Seth I.)
    Is your PC dragging? Do you want to get it running at its best? Turn it over to a PC expert for two hours. He’ll run diagnostics and make it a smoking hot machine once again!
    Green Whole House Carpet Cleaning
    Donation by two male faculty:
    40 kids! One night! The overnight adventure of a lifetime at Skyline School includes rock climbing, star gazing, big screen movie, art projects, games, cooking, and the ultimate school tour! Dinner, late night snack and breakfast are included. Directors of fun are Mr. Keefer and Mr. Gardes. The date is Friday, May 14. $50 per student.
    #902, By Ben Keefer and Brian Gardes
    Mad Science Field Trip
    Battery-Operated Thomas Track Ride
    McDonalds Package for Boys
    and more.
    See:
    https://skylineauction.schoolauction.net/skylineauction/donation_items?per_page=1000&search%5Bis_visible_to_public_eq%5D=1

    blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-78/#comments

  26. BOC Staff says:

    Thank you Ode, Rose and all cherished BOC readers and contributors. Blessings and love, B

  27. Rose says:

    curious at how kaine is doing with the money which started out as contributions to find kyron but to comply with nonprofit regs morphed into general do-gooding for all missing children. so I signed in to Guidestar (free) to find no updated irs 990s, only 2010 but at some point in the last say 3 yrs since I last looked officers have changed. https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_or/70959193 President Alix G was with Intel til 2015, now Amazon, Seattle. While she has a tat & one social media pic looks like Kaine’s type, she’s not The Wife. McCombs is a married Mustang Club gal who’s involved w/ the car show. I feel about KHF like some feel about a Commander’s tax returns. I’d like to see the irs docs 2011-19.

  28. BOC Staff says:

    Erose, thank you for posting and I apologize for not moderating it sooner- I thought I had so had a wifi or vpn issue.

    B

  29. BOC Staff says:

    It is a general possible trait or characteristic of possible offender profile. It has to do with the evolution some offenders go through (paraphilias that include pedphilia) of a certain age and “maturity” as the motivation for acting on an impulse or opportunity. Certainly I could have that wrong, but a very high % of TOR users and encrypted file exchanges, external drives – the fact that downloading child porn anywhere is a federal crime, and lets not forget the school deleting the entire previous system without backing it up- all have me checking that box preliminarily.
    B

  30. BOC Staff says:

    Rose- from memory only, I believe Kaine changed from .org to a foundation. I believe those records are still required to be available upon request to the general public ( or at the very least donors).
    B

  31. erose says:

    No problem Blink. Just praying blessings on you. No, I didn’t forget the school deleting the entire previous system without backing it up. I always concluded it was because they didn’t want the school records scrutinized. Do you think someone with access downloaded child porn on them, or did I miss your point?

    Not necessarily something outright illegal, but I don’t know what type of intranet or external access there was and by “whom”. It’s my personal opinion that if it is actually true that all electronic data was lost (alleged reason MCSO did not ask them to preserve) then whoever is responsible for that “erasure” or deletion did so with that specific purpose in a school where an enrolled child was abducted from its grounds. This is the same school where a state of the art security and monitoring system with a facial recognition module was installed within weeks of Kyron’s disappearance. A system which had live monitoring and a school which had plainclothes detectives there through the Summer and into the following year. I agree with you that a motivation for deletion would be to insure e-records could not be scrutinized, and admittedly we DON’T know exactly what was erased per se.

    I am skeptical at the assertion in the first place, I work on cases and with digital forensic experts frequently enough to say I have yet to see a situation where intentionally erased or deleted data was not able to be restored by some means whether from the WAN or LAN backup or the devices themselves. System redundancy is a requirement in similar settings… I could go on, lol.

    Basically- my opinion overall is we can’t know what we don’t know, but it may not be unknown, wrt to how any superior IT skills may come into play past it being a possible profile attribute.

    I sincerely appreciate the prayers and blessings. This road to humbletown uses prayers and blessings like an ezpass of sorts, I think. I am holding your “keeper” post until I can make some inquiries. The link itself was dead, just FYI.
    B

  32. Rose says:

    Perhaps info is available from the State, but all irs filings are on guidestar.
    iirc about 2011 or 12 there was an irs ruling that foundations of a certain minimal
    size were exempt from filing 990s.

    iirc Initial Treasurer Bruce ? took several tries to get 501c3
    documentation right & approved. idk what Kaine calls it
    marketingwise, but it was a 501c3.

    I think as usual you are on point about the foundation issue. Perhaps naive on my part, but since I know Kaine will be a “party” in fam court for several more years, I just don’t think he is dumb enough to “commingle”. What remains incredibly interesting to me “generally” in this case as far as the charitable funds are concerned, are the funds paid/generated to the search group MCSO used with its president becoming a detective all of a sudden and how those funds were generated and dispersed. I have never heard of a similar case where LE and DA staff were making $10k (and commensurate descending) that ended up revamping pensions as well. It’s all still so incredulous to me.
    B

  33. Rose says:

    Suppose I’ll have to go back to 2010 Staff & see who was IT teacher.

    Were computers “wiped” from the Central Office or was it effected
    within the school itself?

    Unfortunately complete mystery. If one believes that’s possible.
    B

  34. Rose says:

    ps I think schoolwide computer wiping occurs in
    the local school itself & is executed by the IT specialist,
    often a librarian.

  35. Rose says:

    This is an interesting Q: When (what month?) was the system wiped?
    If July or Aug, this was ordinary routine maintenance in our publics & privates to get ready for next sch year & then one reinstalls updated software, mirror image, on every computer at least in 1998-2010 idk now. So wiping would mean nothing but stupidity on Keefer’s part. If it occurred while school was still on or shortly thereafter (June), then it could be nefarious. Could be MCSO, the SAR specialists, was so busy searching for Kyron, an actual investigation did not occur to them until routine maintenance (wiping in July or Aug) was done. A SAR focus was probably why mcso took the case rather than PPD whose case it was.

    I don’t believe we will ever truly know the answer to that Rose. My very cynical presumption is that if one deletes electronic information it can’t comply with requests for it. How it happened, why, when and by what actors/actions is critical to the central question of its importance, imo. I will say that it’s my understanding that did not present a problem to any of the parties in either the dissolution or civil cases as Terri’s counsel was swift to preserve any communications/exchanges she had with the school and/or staff from her end.
    B

  36. Rose says:

    ot Is this JJinPA Blink? (Gricar) https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/true-crime-addict-and-the-problem-of-internet-sleuths

    I read that Rose but I’m unsure I saw what you are asking about? I know Renner personally and I agree with his opinion on full disclosure and most especially publishing whatever docs are in support of your piece- in fact, it’s a regulation of the society of American journalists (iirc) that is rarely followed by most national online pubs and many local.
    B

  37. Rose says:

    re erose says:
    December 12, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    in my days as a PTA tech team volunteer member doing this work, K-12 public & private, my observation is this is routinely done in public & private each summer to prepare for new school year. Each individual computer is wiped, as is school server(s), new computers installed & old retired, then new cloned identical software loaded. One supposes emails remain in individual teachers’ county-level accts. School IT person often located in media room with office in school library. Do not underestimate the role of yearly routine & stupidity on the part of Skyline Admin & staff in the absence of an mcso request to preserve. MCSO should’ve gone to every computer & mirror imaged it immediately after the abduction. But MCSO had no real Detectives nor IT expert. As Blink says, all then active computers coukd’ve been taken to a State crime lab & excavated, but since Terri did it, why bother. Wiping the computers tho was not nefarious unless it was done immediately.

    Totally agree not to underestimate and I have my doubts what was said publicly is accurate. I would also be prudent to remember CARD was on the ground and the immediate central question was – did he disappear from the school and whatever Fed warrant power those two items “net”. That said, to your point nobody in MCSO had ANY real digital forensics training until well after June 2010.

    B

  38. Rose says:

    ot I stumbled on JJinPA in reddit comments on Gricar & was reminded he also posted on your site. I went from there to suspect Renner was JJ. I coukd better evaluate his many Gricar posts if he were Renner, that’s all.

    Got it, thank you Rose. Certainly a reasonable question, considering. Renner is pretty adamant that if he ever posts anywhere it will be in his own name. I am the same way. I may not agree with his methods in some instances, but I also know what it feels like to “live” in what feels like a very solvable case involving a child. When Amy Mihaljevic’s case is solved, he will be the leading reason.

    If you don’t mind me taking the oppty on your O/T post, it reminded me of something I have been meaning to recommend as I know you are an NPR fan. APM reports “ IN THE DARK” season 1 podcast on the Wetterling case. It is about as close to flawless as it gets. The underpinnings of Kyron’s case and Jacobs (for me) from a LE perspective are uncanny.
    B

  39. Rose says:

    with typical controls of publics, no porn could’ve
    been downloaded. So it comes down to swapping
    from staff email accts which would not have been “wiped.”

    Agreed, but I am not prepared to make the assumption that there were NSFW filters on all (or any). Something tells me if the system(s) were compliant it would not have been deleted without backup.
    B

  40. erose says:

    Blink, You don’t need to post this, up to you. If you follow your link below and check out comment #6 from Jan. No doubt the Skyline link is dead, but I’ll bet you vetted at the time. Just that reference to Keefer and Gardes and their overnight adventure with kids. After Sandusky, I’ll never look at that stuff the same way.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-78/#comments

  41. Rose says:

    Interesting:
    https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-private-foundation/
    By def, a private foundation is a 501c3.
    Private Fdtns are less than 10% of 501c3s.
    Differs from a public charity.

    https://www.nonprofitlegalcenter.com/oregon/

  42. erose says:

    Rose, When you said it could be nefarious, I wondered nefarious how.

    Years ago, I thought it was done to delete attendance records for June 10. There was such controversy here about how and when attendance was taken and if Porter had ever established on the record that Kyron was in her classroom that day, because there was no call (that we know) alerting the Horman’s that their child was absent.

    Rose says:
    December 13, 2019 at 10:32 am
    snip>
    This is an interesting Q: When (what month?) was the system wiped?
    If July or Aug, this was ordinary routine maintenance in our publics & privates to get ready for next sch year & then one reinstalls updated software, mirror image, on every computer at least in 1998-2010 idk now. So wiping would mean nothing but stupidity on Keefer’s part. If it occurred while school was still on or shortly thereafter (June), then it could be nefarious….

  43. T. Ruth says:

    Hello all
    Just dropping by to wish you all Happy Holidays and a Happy 2020. With the current national debt rate climbing right along, I’m thinking we should call them the “soaring” 20′s. Anywho, may 2020 be the year that something breaks in this horrific nightmare of a case. (Can’t believe it will be 10 years.)

  44. BOC Staff says:

    I’m posting because to be honest, it’s surreal to read that after 9 years and literally NO new leads or investigative progress 2 grand juries and 3 DA’s later. There is simply no way I believe DY and/or KH believe their son is out there alive somewhere and that sort of status quo is ok with either or both.

  45. Rose says:

    On reflection tho, DY has always seemed mentally unstable & w/out abstract reasoning ability such as an average joe would have, & her grieving mom & follower personas seem quite important to her. so one can’t conclude she’s got it together enough to do anything productive fir kyron.
    & who having followed kaine from ground zero would not think a severely neurocognitively disabled son (& he would consider aspergers & behavioral troubles that) when weighed against a successful divorce w/kiara custody, his house, & max assets would not be jettisoned in a heartbeat?

  46. Rose says:

    lotta meat on the bones on Blink 2010

  47. Rose says:

    AND DY has the delusional thinking Rebecca
    Morris’ alleged book & attendant publicity for Desiree will get
    Terri arrested which is DY’s focus. She thinks
    all her long interviews with Morris were “doing something
    for Kyron” when they were exercises in narcissism,

    I truly don’t believe DY thinks a book or ensuing publicity will affect an “arrest” for Terri, at this point in particular after her efforts to do so have failed. In fact, I can tell you that the Judge in Terri’s “gun” case warned the prosecutor up front In open court and in chambers that he expected that the basis for the prosecution in the first place (Terri’s notoriety) as evidenced by the submission by DY or her “supporters” would likely backfire. It did. I think her reason for wanting to publish is financial, and it’s because of that interest it has been shelved ( not the good kind).
    B

  48. Rose says:

    3+ years ago:

    “ I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.”

    Might publication move the dime?

  49. BOC Staff says:

    Rose, without exception if I thought for a second it would, or result in even the most microscopic positive consequence, I would publish. If that opinion changes in the future, I will.
    B

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