Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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I am in awe, and that’s coming from someone who has seen “the process” work in other cases here.
Heart u T.Ruth
@erose. re erose says:
December 22, 2019 at 3:23 pm
It would be out of the ordinary for a school’s school computers & system to be wiped in June because school IT person would not get County software master disc gor the next year til midsummer, therefore it would have been done for a nonPPS related reason.
Wouldn’t put it past the mcso masterful it experts in sheriff’s dept to do it themselves, not nefariously, they were that stupid.
@erose says:
December 22, 2019 at 3:23 pm
I could be wrong, but I always assumed that the records were wiped when they installed new system on June 6, 2010. Some guy(s)from PPS IT came in and put Skyline on a new computerized system. Here it is:
As the investigation launched, custodians Selim Masic from Lewis Elementary School (previously at Skyline) and Skyline custodian Bill Tandy worked 12-hour shifts to cover the school’s operational needs.
Central departments also jumped in starting the evening of June 4 as staff members returned to work to provide information and support to authorities searching for Kyron.
On Sunday, June 6, the deputy superintendents and Nick Jwayad, chief information officer, began pulling together Information Technology, System Planning & Performance, and Human Resources managers and staff to get an autodialer system up and running for all schools to report unexcused absences to families in a timely manner. The team implemented the autodialer for all schools by Tuesday afternoon.
IT’s efforts included the work of Stacey Partin and the eSIS support team members, who personally offered training and guidance to every school that was not using the autodialer to ease the transition to a new system so late in the school year.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=printpage;topic=8073.0
Who knows maybe it was even done the night of June 4.
I suppose one adjective characterizing Rod Underhill’s DA days is “amorphous,” including his successor plan. No stars here
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/
but one candidate likely to succeed for his “looks the part” is Knight. Cites his work products:
1) Bundy jury debated less than 6 hrs to acquit for a “how can Govt lose a mere taking government property case against the Bundys, but Knight managed to do so, & 2) he prosecuted the entrapment case against the Muslim teen & got 30 yrs on him on the argument it was “propensity” not entrapment. This is a man for whom expediancy & showboating is all, so Kyron’s investigation flaws will remain buried.
-snip Rose says:
December 26, 2019 at 10:32 pm
3+ years ago:
“ I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil.”
Might publication move the dime?
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The media would just turn the articles posting into a zoo which would not do Kyron or anyone else a bit of good.
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Well its another year one would think if people were so desperate to find Kyron immunity might be offered. I guess the promise revenge is more important than closure or maybe someone suspects T really does not know what happened to Kyron.
OT Idk how this Christianne Amanpur interview got to my twitter feed
but I enjoyed his family’s amazing story. & his remarks c 14:00 at
Thomas Mann Museum in N Germany. Happy New Year in 2020
& may Kyron’s case get to the FBI.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/10/08/intv-amanpour-daniel-hope-violin-classical-music.cnn
ot
Dr Phil’s tasteless abode has a wall of auto weapons
pic.twitter.com/aFhR1VwqPj
T.Ruth, thanks for posting that, I do not believe the auto dialer program would require or end up with an enterprise wide system wipe at any time, and it also would not interfere with most onboard system requirements, it’s really a database function (input updated phone numbers and inclusion of an attendance interface). Also, to my knowledge that call came into the Horman home Monday afternoon, iirc, as Desiree and Terri were actually standing in the same room at the time.
@TRuth I thought when we discuss “records were wiped” it meant the hard drives of all computers at Skyline were wiped (which is done 1 by 1). Perhaps that was not the claim.
While the autodialer for notices & absence reports from each school involves Central Tech, I do not think it has anything to do with computer stations thruout the school but there’s one master activated on an Office computer. Indeed Kyron would be marked absent Mon June 7, so an auto notice would’ve gone out.
TRuth, Yes, the auto dialer system, thanks for the memory reboot. Now, why do you think the records were wiped. Nefarious? Accidental? Attendance records? Something else on the system? If so what?
If you could get the answers to 5 questions on this case, what would they be?
Where is Kyron and who took him are off the table. All other questions valid.
First one that comes to my mind is why the FBI wanted to know if there was anyone at the Science Fair that wasn’t on the SF list – or – if someone was on the list that wasn’t at the SF. What was the reasoning for that? Obviously, if a stranger was at the SF, no one would know their name. Were they hoping someone recognized that person by chance. If you went to a school function could you identify everyone and single out the one stranger or would you see several strangers. And, how could someone be alibied by being on the list but not being there. That never made complete sense.
Second Q – What was Kyron’s doctors appt. for.
Blink, We would all love to see your top 5.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/01/jury-finds-gresham-barlow-elementary-principal-molested-student-in-his-school-office-for-years-awards-victim-3-million.html
I posted you out of order because I’m having a think yet about my response to your excellent query/request. I also wanted to give others a chance to weigh in *with your rules*. As you might imagine I find myself with some case sensitive information, some not yet made public, some perhaps never able to publish and so I also want to insure my top 5 don’t betray those points by omission or inference.
In response to “yours”.
1. It is my understanding that FBI’s CARD team ( or their designees) handled the prioritization and subsequent tips/responses to that particular request. In particular, it was determined that the FBI assets were best equipped to handle the interviews with children/attached parent or caregivers.
2. Corroborate witness accounts and timelines, statements, alibis.
3. Create a call to action pattern. A mechanism for folks to address who was and was not present. Certain profiles of offenders are fond of taking this opportunity to interject themselves.
4. Target was to identify every individual at ground zero by any methods necessary to then “know hat they did not know”. Target was to identify those on the list that did not show – maybe they really did? Maybe they said they did not but were seen.
5. Ultimately- the end goal in any abduction case at a contained public event is to recreate the environment exactly.
Question #2
The Dr appt was to be the primary physician evaluation and referral to address behavior Terri felt needed Dx, and possible appropriate treatment/care plan. In particular, there was a concern Kyron might be ASPY (ASD) and possible ADD/ADHD as well as some concerns re his social/emotional responses or NOS. First steps for that are usually diagnostic and Terri was following the PED suggestion and wanted Kaine present to hear what he had to say first hand. I will say that I have interviewed sources off the record that have told me the date/time/name/ phone number of the individual who attempted to get those records from the Pediatrition without a court order or warrant and they were shut down. That said, both Terri and Kaine gave that information to the FBI willingly. To my knowledge Kaine learned about that appt from Terri on the 5th or 6th. She only saw him on the 3rd long enough to ask if she could use the truck again the next day and he agreed.
About the investigation, corrrect?
Soldier alludes Morris’ book will be published
any minute now. Wouldn’t it be Morris who
benefits financially?
How would Desiree (& not Kaine) benefit?
Well all I know is it was rejected by the traditional houses, maybe she’s self publishing? I don’t know what the financial arrangement is, but I have “heard tell” that through counsel, Kaine has provided a “fore-warning” label.
B
5 Qs:
1) Answer to Who was on List but not seen there, and
who was seen there who was not on List.
2) Did Kaine ever talk in person any school year with any
teacher who laid out behavioral concerns about Kyron &
recommended a workup? (ADD, AS, etc) If so, how did he
react per Terri?
3) Were all school site employees who had moved from a prior licensing State
(ie Terrones/CA) checked out at prior employment for any behavioral concerns? Ditto fir employees who moved to other States (ie Mastin) checked out for same in their past?
4) were all Tony’s enemies as a consequence of his detective convictions (ie the man circumstantialky convicted of murder after 2 trials Tony had been quite public about “getting,” thoroughly checked out for gang revenge circumstances?
5) Why was this not treated primarily as a stranger abduction from June 4 with Portland Police Bureau exercising their jurisdiction over school property? Why was it endlessly a SAR case?
Thanks for that heads up, I forwarded.
B
“ She only saw him on the 3rd long enough to ask if she could use the truck again the next day and he agreed.” That rules out Desiree’s chatter they had a big fight the night of the 3rd. & didn’t he leave very early the 4th for “the gym”?
Nobody seems to know what she’s talking about with that. Yes, Kaine was at the gym and iirc Terri was def on her computer around 5-5:15 am. If there was ANYTHING in writing/email that originated from T’s email I promise you she would never have withdrawn the civil suit and it would have been part of the FAPA hearing.
B
So what kind of relationship did Desiree have with Kyron
during his school years K-2 after she returned to her hometown?
I feel like a 10 hr round trip for a weekend visit 2x a month was a strain on him, but that he loved his Mama, Tony and spending time with Quinn. I think he was looking forward to spending a chunk of the Summer there, iirc Desiree and Tony had just eloped and were planning a Summer ceremony to include the boys-
B
In view of that, to eliminate that 2ce a month commute,
I can see why Terri pushed Desiree to go for custody after
her marriage as being in Kyron’s best interests. Terri
could get him worked up, & she likely preferred that County’s
public school followup.
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Observation: If Kyron had AS qualities, that made him vulnerable
to any nefarious adult who interacted with him whether school or home.
I wonder if after birth &/or custody court conflict, Kaine had medical info on Kyron he never shared with Terri? Other than the fact she makes herself available, why did he pick a special educator in training as his live in sitter? So many available women out there without little boy baggage (tho he did that 2ce). Perhaps he knew Kyron had iffy in utero or birth-related issues.
They were involved romantically months prior to Kyron’s birth, I believe that child care “explanation” was about Kaine not having to pay childcare costs for himself or DY.
B
@T. Ruth says: September 9, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Since, I was hanging out, again, in Terri’s FB photos. Here’s the post Blink is referring to regarding the principal asking for photos. It is TH’s response to the comments under Kyron in the slightly large white shirt picture.
Terri Moulton Horman He did well. I got 6 or 7 videos and several pictures of Kyron and other kids. The principal saw me taking all those pics and asked if he could have some for the yearbook. Thanks for asking!
May 6, 2010 at 6:46am
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Blink, do you know whether or not Terri gave any of those photos and videos to the Principal? And/or to LE?
Also wondering if any of the other parents were asked by Mr. Keefer for copies of any of their scifair photos that day.
She did to Keefer, afaik she consented to give her cameras and computers, etc to LE and LE had control of her social media ( FB) so it can also be said she gave them access to every image or electronic record she had. (Reminder to other readers that CARD was on the ground by 11pm 6/4/10 and interviewing the Hormans by 1am ish 6/5).
It’s my understanding (and I have seen some) that Keefer did nothing on behalf of LE as some sort of intermediary without direction from them, or as an example, answering queries of any kind related to anything having to do with Kyron’s disappearance – his response would basically cut and paste LE attribution. I have interviewed potential witnesses who have told me their pics have never been requested from LE, and I have interviewed some that said their images were, but at varied intervals in the investigation.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/07/kyron-horman-disappearance-exclusive-three-part-series-debuts-on-blink-on-crime/comment-page-2/
forgot the link ^^
Terri V responded to Stacey very counterproductively &
not thru an attorney, apparently, evidencing her seemingly
consistent dumbness.
I will not read there as you know, but if she truly did and it was not some fake account, going to agree that is def not a good idea.
In other news, I’m told Kaine’s new-est marriage is in the dissolution process.
B
Blink, Thank you thank you for the response on my #1 and #2. Yes, I can see how your 5 would have to be carefully vetted. I’ve really been thinking, like 3 wishes from a genie, and I guess my #3 was whether or not Kyron was marked absent. Rose’s #5 is a biggie.
This just out on the mayor during Kyron’s abduction.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-portland-mayor-sam-adams-self-funded-review-of-alleged-sexual-harassment-only-way-to-vet-claims-lawyer-says/ar-BBZ2v9n
I know we’ve heard about Sam Adam sexual harassment and underage boyfriend before, but it does speak to the tone around Portland at the time.
And BTW he wants to be back on the city council.
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2020/01/15/former-mayor-sam-adams-moves-closer-to-a-political-comeback-bid-which-could-have-ripple-effects-on-other-portland-races/
Does anyone remember reading this on BB in 2016? He’s a computer engineer? Did we already know that? Did we ever know about Salazar his BFF? Either this is an new dimension of BB, or I’m losing it.
https://pamplinmedia.com/wsp/134-news/287618-162735-not-your-average-businessman
From my “knowledge base”, I would say that Terri supported increased visitation/custody of Kyron to DY, but I wouldn’t suggest Terri was “pushing” for more than that around the timeframe in question. In context, Terri was the sole schedule facilitator and afaik, an arbitrator of sorts because DY and Kaine had no direct contact. Moo, but it’s my impression from interviews there was concern the adjustment and continuity, coupled with the length of travel/stay and Kyron’s age may have been contributing to his “behaviors” (floabw). For me, I would find it incongruent on Terri’s behalf to start the evaluation process in Portland to then support full time with DY. My take on that is that Terri had enough edu/training to have Kyron’s baseline established and continue the process following his return.
Rose says:
January 13, 2020 at 12:47 pm
Soldier alludes Morris’ book will be published
any minute now. Wouldn’t it be Morris who
benefits financially?
How would Desiree (& not Kaine) benefit?
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I read somewhere that the Desiree’s book would not be out until the end of 2020.(probably a rumor). But it made me wonder if there are any laws about publishing non-fiction books about minors. Since Kaine had full custody of Kyron when Kyron went missing could Desiree be waiting until Kyron is 18 to publish because she encountered resistance from Kaine about her book.
Great question cd. I’m going to answer your question “generally”. The publisher considering Ms. Morris’s book, which allegedly will involve some sort of credited written work from Ms. Young is on the hook for any legal compliance issues or concerns it might contain or that might be actionable. As an example, we saw Kaine reference Desiree’s statement that LE had narrowed down a 100 acre search area (during that book announcement firehall conference) as false. I am aware that DY counsel of record received correspondence from SEVERAL Attorney’s offices re her public statements over the last few years and she would be required to disclose those. I was told by a source that DY’s premature announcement was done against Ms. Morris’s wishes and without her prior knowledge (she did not attend). Here’s the thing, if you have a publisher with a reserved IBSN title or block of ISBN prefixes- you are never doing your own press, media, appearances or the like – it’s prohibited. I have only seen this in self publishing situations.
Did Kaine’s body-art tat wife have a son, btw????
and poor kiara.
revolving self-appointed (emo greedy) “mothers”
re “ They were involved romantically months prior to Kyron’s birth,” http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
No wonder the magnitude of Desiree’s hatred. & Terri has reaped what she sowed.
thank you for this answer: BOC Staff says:
January 20, 2020 at 11:49 am
which seems nail on the head.
@erose. Adams paid for the attorney & experts’ whitewash specifically because he is filing for Chloe Eudaly’s seat & he needed some cover for donors bcz money is where it’s at in a campaign. I figured he got the City Club job bcz he knew too much about city biz leaders. I was in shock when WRI hired him. I was once in a home Bible study with its head 35 yrs ago, the son of British missionaries with a MN pastor brother, & there’s no one more highly educated, experienced, wise, & moral. I figured Steer hired him at Wyden’s behest. he chopped Adams toot suite when his past became present. After San Francisco, nowhere has a more thriving gay scene than DC, plus Adams got to travel nationwide. Adams does not present as a pedophile but as a predatory opportunist whether of jobs or with his accusers.
“ adjustment and continuity, coupled with the length of travel/stay and Kyron’s age may have been contributing to his “behaviors” http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Did it never occur to Terry, given Kristian’s arrest & defense, that there were other explanations related to the Horman side?
Yes, but that is the extent I can respond.
B
Why did Terri give up on kiara?
kaine ought to borrow a Trump tactic &
get an NDA as part of the dissolution settlement.
Otherwise she could go on Dr Phil.
I’ve put this on twitter today replying to armchair diagnosticians of He Who Can’t be Named.
https://youtu.be/lOjykLQAdaE Meat begins at about 3:30. So relevance here is abductor of Kyron surely has inherited alleles associated with psychopathy. So Whoever it is likely has a family line wherein one or more in it has engaged in criminal acts whether or not charged.
& as Fallon points out, perpetrator
will have a turned off limbic system.
no empathy.
I seem to recall Christopher (Topher) Horman, the Fla RR war vet with ptsd,
recounting a father & mother with a
turned off limbic system. Not only no empathy,
but affirmative cruelties.
https://books.google.com/books?id=0VJy5Qk-aXIC&pg=PT15&lpg=PT15&dq=christopher+horman&source=bl&ots=PA5gAyVe6g&sig=ACfU3U0OFQCOTGXOk0F0rAkZk4VEib9ARw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiP7Kiu8JPnAhXhm-AKHYMdCqgQ6AEwB3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=christopher%20horman&f=false
For Topher, that’s father & stepmother,
with a mother in Spokane.
if the glove fits.
OT & political process: Pissed as H the Senate removal trial
will not be on CSpan.
Only govt cameras will broadcast some of it.
& no live tweets.
GRU hackers will likely see more than US.
Kyron was never marked absent on June 4, 2010. Also reminder that TH emailed Porter upon return home that she never responded to. The text of which should have prompted a concern that Kyron was not with Terri. I have always thought that email metadata was crucial to the investigation. Kyron was marked absent on Monday June 7
B
Afaik, the only person who was ever dishonest about that was Kaine so he didn’t have to cop to the fact that he started an affair with a very pregnant wife at home who was none the wiser. It conjures the only one size fits all quote from Dr. Phil I call a “trueism”. “If they will do it with you, they will do it TO YOU.”
That said, in reference to DY fixation on TH, as she has ALSO openly stated she learned that Kaine was having ANOTHER affair behind Terri’s back at the time of Kyron’s disappearance, AND that she (DY) believes this was the impetus for Terri “secreting Kyron” it makes absolutely no sense to me why DY would not then be super-suspect of whatever lifestyle circumstances/ contacts Kaine was keeping might not be to blame. ESPECIALLY when you add in that DY HERSELF filed a motion for a protective order against Kaine stating she was in fear Kaine would kidnap her child from a former marriage (and her at the time unborn child of the marriage).
My point, I’m not so sure that DY’s fixation on Terri doesn’t have more to do with DY once being in Terri’s shoes and the lengths her pain went to structure her own reactive behavior at the time and in subsequent years, whereby she actually relinquishes primary custody of both her sons while demanding the language re no child support be part of the order, as it does that TH is actually capable of same. DY was dating a man with no kids when she briefly moved to Canada, and she then moved in with one 5 hours away a few months after her return ( also no kids). DY had only married Tony a few months prior to Kyron’s disappearance. No, I don’t believe DY was involved with her sons disappearance, but I have never seen any evidence Terri was either, and out of the two of them, investigatively only one got any real scrutiny and only one has had Kyron in their primary care for the preceding 5 years with a corresponding track record that includes consulting an Atty to adopt him when his bio Mom relinquished physical custody at 2 yo.
Lastly, if you think your ex could make someone angry/hurt enough for that someone to exact revenge through your shared child, than doesn’t that mean the possibility should apply to anyone/everyone in his life to exclusion? It’s just basic stuff, folks.