Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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I see no hope anywhere or anyway for anyone involved in this life drama. It is really hopeless.
I hear you and some days I could be accused of agreeing with you. And then I am reminded that I have felt that way occasionally before in cases I solved and were adjudicated successfully, others at the very least resulted in recovery. Lyst sisters, Grinstead, Wetterling are some recent examples of cases I was certain were solvable- and guess what they all have in common? LE was looking at the wrong suspect for years and years.
B
“If I were a betting person, perhaps the unresolved gun charge was a factor?
B”
yes.
And if she or parents had unlimited means, that hot shot gun attorney
shoukd’ve sat first chair due to litigation competence
to the family law associate at the DV RO hrg, and Terri should’ve testified.
always possible, tho, his allegations were true.
also iirc this Judge had already shown some bias.
I think Cristobal coukd’ve been impeached (bad faith)
if there were depos taken re his contacts with mcso and crater members,
most esp who he “called” before filing for the temp RO. .
the permanent RO weakens her sentencing position on the gun theft case after she is convicted, and imo she will be. imo her 3rdyr associate did not rightly size up the impact of this DV permanent RO on that trial. I do not think there will be a trial and TM will plead guilty to something.
def of smh for other urban illiterates like me:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dsmh%26amp%3Dtrue
blink you think she should’ve contested Kaine’s
RO at the outset?
I do.
She’d have her daughter now bcz mcso
would not testify so he couldn’t prove squat.
I understand why she did not, and there can certainly be information I am not aware of- but the time to go to battle on such an issue as any family lawyer will tell you is when the situation is that when your client is the primary caregiver. I cant fault Houze for doing what he was hired for- but ultimately, decision is and always will be the clients.
B
Regarding the Tara Grinstead case:
I did not get my information from the piece written on scared monkeys.
The piece that I read about the arrest included information that happened two evenings after Tara’s disappearance. That was a fire call of the perps vehicle at his or his parents residence. With a person missing and a fire in an auto or truck, the investigators should have been notified.
There is no information about the recovery or a site for recovery of a body that I have. However, based on what I remember there was evidence of a fight in the bedroom and the front drivers seat was moved back well beyond what was needed by Tara, indicated that the perp used that vehicle to move the body and then returned it. Did the perp place the body in his vehicle and then set it on fire to destroy it? Very likely.
I have said over and over again that LE people are fallible just like all humans. These mistakes are caused by poor training and lack of experience. Yes, some can admit these types of mistakes, but others cannot and the result is a very cold case that may take a very long time to solve.
If we recall- this was a mp case- or a “time is of the essence” situation. I mention this because while I do believe Tara was deceased when she was removed from her home- there was certainly no clear evidence of that. Before I respond any further if you could locate the article link re the burning of Duke’s vehicle I would appreciate it. As it was some time ago, I cant quite recall if I ever published fire call info in Morgan’s case- but I do have the file still- and it is very, large. It is really investigative 101 in a jurisdiction that size.
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@ ” Ode says:
February 26, 2017 at 10:42 am
I see no hope anywhere or anyway for anyone involved in this life drama. It is really hopeless.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
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Seems hopeless for Kyron, and the secondary victim Terri.
But I would rethink saying “anyone.”
Yes father and associates online point to his grief.
But within a couple years, and to date, his overall life adjustments were at a much higher level of functioning than before the abduction. Never laid off by Intel, while his age group ‘& middle mgmt were targeted. The house, the child, a no contact on her mother, a recipient of child support (a value to him we know from James), a slavishly adoring housekeeper/nanny with sex on demand yet bachelor freedoms, public adoration, a well-funded Foundation under his control,and so on.
Desiree has been physically made over again and again, and despite her repetitive on camera weeping she looks way way better than in 6/10. Induced her older son to live with her. Has a house, not an apt or condo. Maintained a marriage for the first time. One might attribute the latter to the abduction as she said Tony joined her in vowing to stay together in its aftermath. Got a great new job at a U tho it didn’t last. Has a nontransparent gofundme acct run by sister.
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I argue from a social work persoective on the life adjustment front (not the child loss grief), both bios are at a much higher level of life adjustment functioning and satisfaction than preabduction. So imo wrt their OWN lives (irrespective of Kyron), they have hope for themselves. Desiree’s repetitive pretty-ups are not indicative of depression imo, nor are Kaine’s activities. Rather the opposite.
and the bios “better” lives (I left out no more 5 hr each way roundtrip drives on Friday nite & Sunday ruining theit weekends) points to their lack of motivation to transfer the investigation out of mcso.
Yes you did publish the fire information. The house on Hwy 29 about a mile North of Red Hill road.
There was the story of the young woman who claimed she witnessed the ceiling beginning to collapse. It also had a hot spot that required another call to put it out. And the dog that was burned in the house.
In a small community such as where Tara lived, LE personnel are usually too few to cover everything. In a missing persons case, LE responding to any reported fire should be required duty.
I will backtrack to see if I can find the article.
@erose. seems incapable of avoiding bait to me.
the reason Houze took away electronics (her apparent
impulsivity) but not alas the “borrowed” gun & car keys or knives.
imo she could’ve achieved well as a parent & employee
after a Kaine divorce if she returned to her parents’
home for a couple yrs for transitional
support (which I bet she’d not do).
I guess one question is why she went slow to discard a man like Kaine
(steroids, temper, delegating all the household to her, and repetitive
sexual promiscuity).
She had a good social hx when she had structure.
Post abduction, she’s lacked
the structure except when under Houze’ thumb
which she appears to have distanced to her detriment.
Kaines RO against TH had some language in it prohibiting TH from owning a gun but the RO was dropped and replaced with a protection order. Does anyone remember if there is anything about TH owning a gun in the protection order?
There definitely is in the standing order, correct. Technically speaking, ownership of a firearm and possession of a firearm can be different distinctions in a legal use.
B
Question:
Does the State of California recognize orders from family courts in Oregon? If not,the restriction on the gun stopped at the state line.
If things really get “sticky” there is always the fact that the order against guns in Oregon was not balanced. That is both parties were not treated the same.
For the purposes of a parenting agreement, the answer to your question is no. It does not mean that a party could not argue it, however, on motion to their court of jurisdiction (kid residence/residence of primary parent). What that means is that a parent of primary residence could not file a contempt motion in CA- but could Kaine use evidence of a contempt of the standing agreement against TH in MC court? Yes Sir. To my knowledge, as a CA resident (TMH) has never moved the court to adopt a foreign decree so it all “lives” in MC.
On the gun issue in terms of “balance” in a stipulated parenting agreement- she agreed to the provision so she owns it. I think an argument that the spirit of that agreement item in the parenting time framework means no gun (insert proper language here) *while she is exercising all terms of said agreement*- I do not know if that is true at the moment. The legalities or rights as it were- re the possession or control of a firearm do not have the availability to be raised as far as the family court issue is concerned.
On the issue of Kaine raising it…Yes, in fact, I would not be surprised at all if he does if he had any reason to raise the action.
NOW…. That is discussion of the Oregon family law matters…
She now has an active restraining order against her in CA. It also PRECLUDES her from possession of a firearm. Different from the parenting “clause”, if she violates this order she faces criminal charges. It can and will be used as “evidence” (potentially) in ANY legal matter it is admissible. I am sure that issue was the deciding factor to not have TMH appear at all, let alone be subject to cross.
No doubt the legal decision to keep Ms. Moulton out of her defense re the restraining order was based on information I/we are not aware of. Absent that information, I personally think it was an egregiously poor decision. You want a Judge to find in your favor, yet you are jobless, pseudo homeless and without a vehicle in the possession of the petitioner and someone with a JD thinks they had a real shot? I do not believe that- all due respect.
Anyone in doubt? I invite you to take a day and sit in PFA court- unless a respondent is in jail and unable to be transported for some reasons- NOBODY sits out the hearing.
B
The Sacramento man, who describes himself as Moulton’s domestic partner, filed for a temporary restraining order against her on November 28.
“She was trying to put a knife – a kitchen knife to my face and then she was telling me that if I talked to law enforcement that something is going to happen to me or my family,” explained Cristobal.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-horman/kyron-hormans-stepmother-accused-of-domestic-violence/366720210
Why hasn’t some reporter asked this man what exactly he was going to talk with LE about that had TMH so upset? And why in the world would he mention it to her first if he truly thought it was something incriminating her or that made him “suspicious” or afraid of her?
Something is just not right here.
IMHO, TMH would have been advised by her attorney not to fight this RO for several reasons, one being she’s moved on anyway, but most importantly, I think this dude opened the door for a judge to question her in regard to Kyron’s case, because he said he was “suspicious” of her actions since he just recently learned about Kyron’s case, and her threatening him (allegedly) was directly due to something he wanted to tell LE in that regard, perhaps the burner phones, perhaps fire arm possession, IDK, but this whole thing sounds like a set up to me. At the same time, I tell myself that is probably ridiculous, but something is just *off* with this whole scenario.
Why can’t I find anything on this Cristobal guy either? Who is he? Is he related to LE maybe? Have any of you found anything on this guy?
Gotta’ wonder why Kyle didn’t report on the RO result too.
lol you said:
Gotta’ wonder why Kyle didn’t report on the RO result too.
I don’t wonder at all- his news director became aware of the creep factor and allegations of fake news.
B
@cd
It’s in the divorce settlement, in the document titled Stipulated Supplemental Judgement RE Custody and Parenting Time, it says:
“Respondent agrees not to purchase or possess any firearms.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/06/kaine_horman_awarded_custody_o.html
I see no *protection order* so to speak of, was there one? I may have just forgotten.
Someone earlier on said that divorce document would not be applicable in CA. (???) I do know that most, if not all, Domestic Violence restraining orders in CA would take away the Respondent’s right to possess firearms almost automatically when the RO is filed, and until the RO is lifted. So if TMH is fearful for her life, and feels the need to possess a firearm for self-protection, my guess is she’ll be moving out of CA for at least the two years the RO remains in effect.
I think cd was using the term to describe a civil no contact order.
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@kewl
Did you find the photos you needed to come up with a better composite drawing of Kyron at his current age? I hope you’re working on it. God knows someone needs to be. I know Blink and others think this child is deceased, but there’s been no evidence of that so it’s always possible this young man is hidden away in some sicko’s basement or something.
I support alternative opinion without reservation- I hope to Hell I am wrong most of the time.
B
IMO, No matter how you slice it, TH is vulnerable for anyone wanting to claim she said or she did anything they want to fabricate. Her credibility will always be called into question. Whether she did or didn’t do something I wouldn’t know. If she were to sit in a prison cell, there would no doubt be inmates ready to make a deal in exchange for “her confession of what she did with Kyron.” It is no surprise there would be people on the outside capable of the same.
For sure.
B
Oh she’d sit out the hearing if he appears veracious, and she had no defense bcz it was true.
Sad he gained the car by a ruse.
I see nothing on Cristobal imo bcz he is a marginal member of US society who
lives under the radar. Imo he moved Terri in not due to beauty or brains but bcz she coukd contribute to hus rent, provide sex, and apparently had a car he wanted. Not a 2 way relationship.
very like Kaine characterologically imo.
TY TRuth re quote about calling LE as precipitator. I doubt he’d do that unless he wanted a quid pro quo from LE–like Rudi got. Probably he’s undocumented and hoped to gain favor. It was foolish to threaten him rather than walk out the door pronto.
how do roommates in a mixed sex apt or house morph
into domestic partners? Surely it can’t be intercourse alone?
Many young cohabit for convenience and maybe occasionally “hook up.”
It seems to me there must be some DV indicia such as some comingled
assets or debts or property; some indicia of exclusive commitment over some period of time;
intertwined friendships with other coupkes; mutual activities such as church or bar attendance.
Presenting each other to family members as domestic partners. and so on.
imo an attorney willing to do the work coukd’ve blown away the domestic partner foundation for the RO.
Yes to comingled assets.
B
Qs for Cristobal
You didn’t intend to remain with her permanently, did you?
10 years? 5 years? 2 years?
You didn’t introduce her to yr mother (brother, try about 5
relative categories, successively) as yr
cohabiting partner did you?
you didn’t have plans to buy a house (take a mortgage etc) did you?
You didn’t intend to act as a stepfather to her c hildren,
and let them move in too, did you?
go at these DP credibility lines for 30 min and destroy him.
Depos of close relatives of his re the DP. & investigator
needed to cover his motives with LE.
imo Terri had lazy rep.
Obviously with no inside info we can only guess- but I am not sure counsel had any ammo to work with if it was a foregone conclusion TM was never taking the stand upon advice of criminal counsel (Houze). I am not an attorney, but I see my share of PFA court in litigation and criminal work- if one does not even bother to appear to refute the allegation in person- I dont care what anyone says about drawing inferences – I can tell you that in a he said/she said conversation of a person that had a FAPA in a diff state for multiple years and lets presume Cristobal’s story is that he found out who she was only recently, AND lets presume that includes the pending gun issue- who would ever believe a judge is going to deny or vacate an RO? I dont care if this guy is the walking underbelly of curbs- no judge is going to take that risk in 2017.
B
I know there was an agreement clause for TM to not possess a fire arm. However, I believe that she was given poor advice regarding that because of some pressure put on her and the beginner judge by MCSO that allowed it to happen.
Of course, once the agreement is signed, there would have to be a new hearing that presented solid evidence of any input by MCSO.
The gun control laws in California are so off the wall that anyone should consider leaving the state to escape a potential felony charge that would not be made elsewhere.
Forget that the second amendment of the US Constitution states that “the right to Keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. Until the Federal and State courts are made to obey that amendment, the public will be faced with unconstitutional laws and ordinances regarding firearms.
I am particularly interested in the firearm charge as it was dropped for no probable cause initially, and then refiled by the ADA. I will let that play out, as I watch the docket I am seeing subpoenas issued- in a misdemeanor case dropped by the complainant anyway.
B
“…. if it was a foregone conclusion TM was never taking the stand upon advice of criminal counsel (Houze). ”
If that was the case, imo Houze had no business directing her or her counsel to sit out these CA charges, a State’s law in which he is not expert. An RO outcome so dreadfully impacting her as having a RO on her stand for 2 years to benefit a POTENTIAL case for which he was retained is imo callous and perhaps lazy.
I cant weigh in as I am not objective with the exception of explaining process- should we all agree that the CA matters are an end run to facilitate a criminal case in OR, and absent any new info as much as I tried to disbelieve it- I have to address the very patently obvious here. Houze is it. What he cannot do is remove her poor decisions that got her into the situation.
B
If subpoenas are being issued for a case that has been dropped by the complainant, does that indicate that perhaps the entire group of complaints could be based on false information? Maybe the ADA is trying in a round about way to make a case that the complainant filed without a factual backing and has in fact created a problem of false charges for himself.
To my knowledge for a subpoena entry to appear on the docket it must be by the defense in the course of discovery.
Legally, it is not improper for a DA to refile without a willing complainant-but I have only really come across it in PFA’s or DV where it appears there is some sort of concern to the witness or complainant- but I have personally not seen this scenario- which is also a misdemeanor.
B
and, if that is case and Houze insisted she not appear to defend herself, then I infer underlying is she has a powerful urge to talk, wants out from under his thumb, and will keep on getting arrested for this and that until she gets her day in Court to speak her grievances and innocence.
In our biz its called a “bad show”. And very often it can have nothing to do with anything a person can actually control. In front of a jury everything changes- its just fact.
B
subpoenas are prob for the gun registration of owner and proof of sale if any.
that evidence slam dunks the case for prosecutor imo bcz once again it’s a he said she said
and she has no defence. Terri will plead rather than attend imo. Lazy Rod is building
circumstantial evidence for use in Kyron’s in another State without really lifting a finger.
Here, take my gun for awhile, his enticing CA sympathizer said to her, perhaps.
Moving to the area Ktistin’s sibs were deputies was dumb. they’ve got lots of le friends.
In general, subpoena entries on a docket for this type of case are from the defense.
B
@Rose says:
February 28, 2017 at 1:32 am
Exactly what I was thinking: similarity of using RSE. Is it possible this was yet another LE sting, similar to the use of RSE, who he himself said later wished he had never become involved in the first place, or some such? (Why would anyone in their right mind ever say that if they thought their information could lead to finding a little boy or at the very least imprison that suspected person for an unrelated charge, such as an planned MFH?)
Makes one wonder if Cristobal was indeed a LE pawn, just like RSE and just like they intended DDS to become. It seems outrageous and far-reaching to me that he may have been, but the *mental impressions* and “investigative tactics” of LE in this case have been off the wall and nothing would surprise me in this case.
Not Cristobal.
B
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Is it correct that the gun-theft charge was involving a different (and previous) roomy, i.e., other than Cristobal, or do we know? If that is correct, do we know whether or not Cristobal and the first roomy know/knew one another? Just wondering.
O/T
Rose, you made me wonder where the term “Flatfoot” for a PO came from, and everything I read does indeed say it was because they indeed all walked their beats (no vehicles) and after years of walking they would develop fallen arches, thus nicknamed Flatfoots. (At which point, they would be put behind desks.) What I also found interesting is that detectives were called “Gumshoes”, because they wore shoes with gum-soles (precurser to rubber-soled “Sneakers”) because they were quiet shoes and would allow the detectives to sneak-up on people. So now I’m guessing I know where “Sneakers” got their name as well.
Pretty sneaky! LOL
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/03/post_584.html#incart_river_mobile_home
Houze out front doing good against PPS again. I am shocked his mom and dad let him keepthat job after 2013.
Houze, the defense attorney, criticized the school district for forcing Christy-Hamilton to accompany the girl to the bathroom — without providing him a written plan or clear direction on whether she needed help pulling down her pants or wiping. Christy-Hamilton and two other paraeducators called a meeting in 2013 with district administration to strongly object to the directive that they help students — including children who are of the opposite sex — with the toilet, Houze said. But they were told they must do it or else face termination, according to a witness called by the defense.
“They were told by the union president and (a district administrator) under no circumstances could they refuse to do this,” Houze said. “This was their job description.”
The girl has severe speech impairments, so much so that the detective investigating the case, the prosecutor and the judge all said or acknowledged that they had serious trouble understanding her. The case hinged largely on the interpretations of her speech by her mother, who said she was able to understand her daughter and vocalized her daughter’s answers to child-abuse investigators. Child abuse investigators also then conducted a separate interview of the girl without her mother present, but Christy-Hamilton’s defense contended the girl was asked leading questions.
Christy-Hamilton’s defense contended that it was impossible that the girl could have offered such a detailed account of what happened….” “It is absurd in the extreme to believe that this child — who we know has such severe communication disorder — would be even capable of having the conversation that her mother says quote and unquote this is what she said to me,” said Houze, Christy-Hamilton’s defense attorney.
“… the judge said he agreed with the defense that the girl couldn’t have offered as much detail as claimed by a doctor who interviewed her. The judge said he had come to that opinion after listening to the girl testify.
“We know from hearing from (the girl in court) that there’s no way the conversation proceeded like that,” said Rees, the judge. “…Verbatim, it couldn’t possibly have gone like that.”
Proper.
Its a terrible protocol, and this mans career paid the price. Anyone know who the detectives were?
B
@cd
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-8/
Thanks to grasshopper the Civil no-contact order that replaced the FAPA can be found here ^^^. (Miss U grasshopper!)
This is the comment from grasshopper:
on page 5, that there is nothing checked that prohibits firearms but an agreement on Terri’s part. KATU reported that she was prohibited which isn’t true. On page 7 Kaine is wanting a psychological evaluation of Terri and citing references that he shouldn’t be allowed to given the RO and civil cases were dropped. On page 12, section 3, part A, it states that NEITHER Kaine or Terri are to contact, harass or intimidate each other but the way that Maxine on Oregonlive reported it was that it was only Terri who should refrain. When is someone going to actually report the truth in this case and not include their bias?
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It states that she “agrees” not to purchase or possess a firearm.
It doesn’t say she is prohibited. So IDK? I also don’t know whether or not this civil no-contact order is still standing, or if it was dropped when the divorce became final and the civil divorce doc’s then took over. ????
The stipulated civil order is the standing order.
B
T. Ruth says:
March 1, 2017 at 1:22 pm
fascinating
@TRuth. my bet is that JC was not initially (prior to his outreach to OR Le) a pawn. but
way stupider and more a grifter than RSE. I mean how coukd TMH top her acting out with Cook? per Ex he was immersed in cocaine and serial secual misadventures before TH met him. How coukd TH not identify his characterologically based acting out? Imo he suited her. as did the opportunistic KH and JC.
I think it’s more than poor decisions.
It could be There is some self-defeating mental illness
whether personality disorder or uni- or bipolar
dx. She needs a real doctor to eval. Imo she likely
functioned well with structure and support but not with
WWW3 style hate actions by spouses 1 & 3, LE,
exhusband’s vicious Ex, homeless & jobless, and so on.
@Ode. my bet is when Kaine & Desiree feel impelled to iinfuse their cash accounts (bkhf and GFMKyron),
they will each find a way to feature “the investigation.” And, if the donation response disappoints them, they might move the investigation to a more prominant LE venue. One might even get an age progressed pic as a donation flag bearer.
Rose says:
February 28, 2017 at 5:08 pm
“…. if it was a foregone conclusion TM was never taking the stand upon advice of criminal counsel (Houze). ”
If that was the case, imo Houze had no business directing her or her counsel to sit out these CA charges, a State’s law in which he is not expert. An RO outcome so dreadfully impacting her as having a RO on her stand for 2 years to benefit a POTENTIAL case for which he was retained is imo callous and perhaps lazy.
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I think the reason TH did not fight the RO is the same reason she did not fight Kaine’s RO. There is some question that attorney could get her to slip up on and incriminate herself. Houze’s advice was don’t get on the stand 7 years ago and it remains the same. I don’t think lazy has anything to do with it. Even if she tried to fight the RO and did not testify or took the 5TH she would lose anyway so why even fight it.
Agreed.
B
T. Ruth
Your post about the feet and shoes of LE is funny, but it reminds me of just what shoes looked like prior to 1940. I have worn a pair of shoes with gum rubber for the soles. Sneakers was a slang word for high top tennis shoes that used a different type of rubber for the sole.
With the advent of WWII there was a rationing of leather because of clothing the military. Civilian shoes were made with a hard rubber sole that was black and would mark wood floors. With the development of plastics a product called neoprene was used for children’s shoes. This stopped the black marks on floors. I have spent considerable time in my youth of cleaning up the black marks I made with on my parents floors with rubber soled shoes.
CD
TH IRC has a hearing problem. This may be the reason that she was advised not to get on a witness stand. In addition, some people do not have enough confidence in themselves to be calm and thoughtful when intensely questioned.
One of the things that this California situation has revealed is that TH seems to be incapable of making good decisions about those with whom she chooses as friends or potential housemates. Someone should point her in the direction of finding out why this is and correcting the behavior.
Several years ago I recommended a book from my library to Blink that was written more than forty years ago that describes a lot of the bad behaviors that men have,how to recognize them and stay out of those types of relationships. This type of knowledge is what she needs.
Word.
B
And the more apparent this becomes, the easier it is to believe that TH may have unintentionally let the wrong person in to Kyron’s life. She seemed unaware of anyone like that when she went on Dr. Phil and wondered if the man at the gas station was responsible, so it is unfortunate she has been treated as a suspect and not as a witness because she may not have the awareness of knowing the perpetrator.
A Texas Grandfather says:
March 1, 2017 at 9:23 pm
snip>
One of the things that this California situation has revealed is that TH seems to be incapable of making good decisions about those with whom she chooses as friends or potential housemates
it was the detectives detailed to that Child Abuse Unit supervised iirc by a DA Division head. investigators would be DAs, headed iirc by that retired PPB man Mockingbird knew from his or a family member’s PPS service as School Resource Officer. That is, DA investigators are inherently skewed in investigations toward PPS’ representations. Clearly PPS had for several years since 2013 when he & two other paras protested to drive out of pps this man. the gurl was likely very deliberately assigned to him with the hopes he’d leave.
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@atg. I remember those gym floor black marks from kid sneakersin the 50s.
& what’s the book title?
ot watching the news now on my last motel nite & real tv, I am thankful I subscribed to 4 digital newslapers back in last Nov’s cheap promos. Have been driving the kid around the country to MM auditions & now on my 11th day of bad flu or pertussis. Last nite was the 1st with over 2 hrs sleep in all due to cough. So I’ve been crochety. home tomorrow, if I can get thru what appears to be an overnite ice storm on the road.
Be careful and feel better!! Too late for flu shot but I am a believer.
B
where was he in june 2010? would’ve been 26. he was locked up what years?
http://usflash.org/portland/2017/03/02/186971-sex-assault-suspect-wanted-in-ne-portland-murder.html
I was wondering about the subpoenas showing up on the docket too.
TMH’s plea to the gun-theft is still “not guilty”, correct? And it says there will be a jury trial. So if, in fact it is subpoenas issued by the defense, then what do you all think the defense has subpoenaed?
Was there some sort of document issued between Roomy #1 and TMH in regard to the firearm itself? (Perhaps a sale not quite solidified?) Was there some sort of document issued between Roomy #1 and TMH in regard to the safe combination and it’s contents? What in the heck would be subpoenaed by the defense in that regard?
@erose says:
March 1, 2017 at 11:50 pm
Agreed. However, almost 7 years later, knowing how intensely LE scrutinized TMH’s friends, and even casual acquaintances, one would think if it was someone she inadvertently “let in”, he/she would have been found underneath whatever rock they were hiding under by now.
I can only hope the same scrutiny was put forth to all of the initial 60+ potential suspects that LE was quoted as investigating. Seven years is a long time.
@ATG
I too remember scrubbing those black marks off of our floors!
Rose
I will have to go look in the book room out in the garage to recover the title. It was a book I have owned since the time my girls were teens and was re-reading it because of some behaviors that were being discussed on this site.
Drive careful, and watch for black ice. Sorry to learn that you have flu. I don’t take flu shots and haven’t had flu since 1962 when I had a mild case because of a flu shot provided at the insistence of the company nurse where I worked.
Those black marks from the shoes were laid down by walking heel fist. When I figured it out, I quit walking in that manner. Now I can sneak up on most people just with my natural walk which is a glide step that puts the flat of the heel down first.
ot regarding ICE & Portland policies & folks like Rudi….Palantir.
This is not intended as political but informative:
It became clear to me why P Thiel was a Presidential cheerleader when I read & iirc
posted here his data mining firm was in line for a massive no bid govt contract.
That contract materialized:
“It can provide ICE agents access to information on a subject’s schooling, family relationships, employment information, phone records, immigration history, foreign exchange program status, personal connections, biometric traits, criminal records, and home and work addresses.” https://theintercept.com/2017/03/02/palantir-provides-the-engine-for-donald-trumps-deportation-machine/
maybe this sort of data mining woukd’ve been useful to weed out potential kyron kidnappers attending the Fair.
Rose
The book title is How to Spot a Dangerous Man before you get involved.
The author is Sandra L. Brown, MA. Published by Hunter House. The original publication was 1973. I have not checked for availability. It was published in both hard back and paperback.
I consider it a book that is valuable to women, I have never found a book that analyzes women in a similar way. Maybe there is one.
T Ruth
It may not have been TH that “let in” the bad guy. It could be KH or someone at the school.
After nearly seven years, unless the bad guy re-offends and is caught there is little chance of MCSO or PPB people catching him. Neither agency has the training or management to properly pursue a missing persons case.
Since 2010 we have learned of PPS’ propensity to coverup, obfuscate, deny, & blame in a wide variety of PPS settings, problem personnel, systemic mgmt problems, and even the school board participates. So it is not a stretch to say PPS is probably much more implicated and has far more knowledge, about the events of 6/4/10 than the public–or even mcso/da– has a clue. I suppose if Terri every gets a leak there is internal PPS knowledge (say about a PPS employee’s whereabouts that day and past undisclosed proclivities), then she could have a cause of action against PPS. Of course Kyron’s bios are best situated, but they’ve not stepped up to date.
Oh, for sure Rose!
I would not even be surprised if PPS knew what happened to Kyron.
I guess I should qualify that with that I do not think they willingly or knowingly participated but after the fact, I think there are those within PPS who know what happened on June 4.
I agree with your assessment of PPS system Rose. The sad truth is that PPS is typical of many school systems. They hire people who are not really investigated regarding past behavior at other school systems or other jobs. Questionable performing people are simply sent on their way by not renewing a contract. And because of the fear of a legal action, they do not tell the truth if contacted by another school district or potential employer.
So is the gun charge bekng heard by the same judge that handled the DV?
If so, he ought to recuse bcz the DV & its outcome is prejudicial.
No, DV was in family court, gun in criminal. I have not checked over the weekend but last week next docket date was April.
B
@Rose, different counties as well. DV hearing was Sacto County.
http://www.yubacourts.org/online-services
Case Number
Style / Defendant
Hearing Date
Hearing Time
Type
CRM15-0000987
MOULTON, TERRI LYNN
4/14/2017 1:30 PM
PreTrial Conference
CRM15-0000987
MOULTON, TERRI LYNN
5/12/2017 1:30 PM
Trial Setting Conference
CRM15-0000987
MOULTON, TERRI LYNN
5/16/2017 8:30 AM
Jury Trial
*********
04/14/2017 PreTrial Conference
Judicial Officer
Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time
1:30 PM
05/12/2017 Trial Setting Conference
Judicial Officer
Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
Hearing Time
1:30 PM
05/16/2017 Jury Trial
Judicial Officer
Jury, Trial
Hearing Time
8:30 AM