Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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Or at the very least they took the right to protect herself from countless “soldiers” who could go off half-cocked at any time, that they were aware of and that they had a heavy hand in creating. The choice for her would then be to get a gun for protection or break the restriction of a family court in another state. She had people stalking her and her workplaces, who knows if she received death threats, but I would say it was likely. If she did go to LE with those threats would she receive any help or scorn. There must have been a point when she determined the reunification was to set her up to fail. That’s probably when she left the state and tried to go somewhere for a fresh start. I wonder if any of her adoption family searches led her to CA and perhaps the people she encountered there.
Rose says:
May 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm
sorry,here’s the mcgrath diatribe.
https://rexarcher.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/yuba-d-a-mcgrath-introduces-new-rules/#comment-291
The answer to the renewed warrants is that the entire legal system in Portland and Multnomah County is corrupt and has been for a hundred years. They use their power to keep the corruption going and this includes other public entities such as PPS.
This corrupt power is used to attack any entity that does not fall in line with the desires of government. It apparently does not matter if a state line is between the corruption and one who becomes a target.
Kaine Horman either willingly joined with the corruption to make a case against Terri for his own benefit or he was fearful for his own well being.
Kyron was sacrificed on the alter of this corruption and will probably never be found until a LE agency outside the state takes on the investigation. Or, like in the Tara Grinstead case in Georgia, an investigative reporter makes enough noise to the public to force LE check leads that they never looked at to solve the case.
ATG- how does an investigative reporter factor in Tara’s case if you don’t mind expanding on that please?
B
IMO
This is what I think is weird about TH’s gun theft trial.
TH stole this guys gun whether she took if from his gun locker, he lent it to or whatever the bottom line is this guy wanted his gun back and TH did not return it. He may have filed the gun as stolen because he was not sure where the gun ended up and he did not want to have legal issues if TH somehow lost the gun and the gun was used in a crime. That is probably why he was willing to drop the charges when the gun was returned to him.
So why did TH not simply plead guilty to the gun theft charge when she found out the California DA refiled the charges and was going schedule a jury trial over said stolen gun. It seems to me that TH’s legal team may have some strategy in mind that will benefit them if there is a jury trial. I don’t know what that could be but it will be interesting to see out all of this turns out.
well, the fbi can get warrants across State lines with probable cause. There is none, but Art could pull in favors imo. But if not the FBI, must be local DAs or sheriff’s offices and local judges where she lives or works in CA. I suppose the gun theft documented in 2015 was necessary to create probable cause for whatever investigative work probably electronic) is transpiring. I doubt complainant initiated that guntheft report. I suggest he was told to do so by deputies knocking on his door and interviewing him. For all we know he had other issues like Rudy, ie a mj grow, and was threatened.
Agreed, but the one thing I have confirmed (because the FBI does not play games like MCSO) is that there are no Federal warrants “attached” to Moulton (Horman). The FBI has been out of this case (even though they were only ever in assist mode) for years. From a protocol perspective this makes sense then as to why MCSO would be engaging other State’s agencies (local, not State Police, which for my money, is also telling). In other words, what I am seeing is MCSO reaching out to LEA’s where Terri has lived, apparently via individuals she has been involved with in a cohabitation situation, employers, etc)
B
Ok B, I will go back and find the information regarding the investigative reporter and the part he played in solving the Tara Grinstead case. It has been several months since I read the stories and some of the details are hazy.
Basically, the reporter became curious about the case and why it had never been solved. He began to visit the area and interact with the young people. Some of those groups were heavy into drugs and alcohol. In more than one instance, he found that some were bragging about having a part in the case or claimed to know who did it. He followed up by asking questions.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation had done most of the work on the case since the Ocilla police were basically traffic and small crimes experienced. IIRC, the reporter discovered that GBI had never gone back and interviewed Tara’s students from the school. One or two were interviewed, but not many. IMO, that was a big omission. This pattern of omission is the same type of thing that took years to solve the Morgan Harrington case and I believe it affects Kyron’s case too.
The GBI stated they learned of the perp from a tip and followed up. I don’t have any information about the source of the tip. However, it could have been the reporter. ‘
If the case goes to trial, I believe that it will be revealed that Tara walked in her house to find a burglary in progress. She recognized the perp as a former pupil and he killed her to keep from being identified. Then he got his friend, also a former student, to help dispose of the body. If the perps plead guilty, we may never learn the whole story.
For the last three months I have been working on a land ownership problem that goes back to 1820 when Texas was a part of the Spanish holdings in North American and through the formation of Mexico in the 1820′s. I have learned that people did not know or chose to not give the year of their birth or the correct place. Chasing evidence that old is not easy. I learned a lot more abut the history of Texas and the land acquisitions that make up the United States. Who claimed to own what and how title was transferred. A 200 year old investigation. This involved the development of railroads and oil fields in Texas.
I agree with you CD regarding the gun case with TM in California. I believe the gun was given to TH for her protection.
I also think that Rose is correct in the scene where MCSO was going across state lines and following Terri wherever she worked or lived. MCSO is the likely culprit for the filing of a stolen weapons charge. They are the ones that pointed out to the complainant the legal liability of not knowing where the gun was and his problem if it was used in the commission of a crime.
We have some really good lawyers who operate withing the law and always look after their clients to the best of their ability. Then we also have a group that use their legal knowledge to benefit themselves and the client doesn’t matter. Rose points out that the refiling of the gun case could be for the benefit of the lawyers down the road.
TH needs to get off the West Coast and a long way from the reach of MCSO and the Oregon courts. I think that she stays near Portland because of her child. In another five years the child will be old enough to make a choice about who she lives with. If Terri is convicted of a crime, even though it is a false conviction, it will be difficult for her to get the courts to give her consideration if the child wants to visit or live with her mother.
cd says:
May 8, 2017 at 1:04 pm
“So why did TH not simply plead guilty to the gun theft charge when she found out the California DA refiled the charges …”
We both saw Terri as having a choice on a plea. now imo thatis not the case.
A DA must offer a plea reasonable to the charge. Imo he is a seasoned publicity hound (when’s his next election?) who has not offered her a reasonable plea. She cannot accept what is not offered.
Whether or not there’s an election, he just likes media mentions, imo.
In addition, with Richards as her fine counsel, we should entertain the
idea the DA’s case is fundamentally flawed and he cannot prove it out beyond a
reasonable doubt regardless of original gun owner’s testimony. maybe
she even has a cancelled check proving she gave him consideration.
I suspect before it’s over McGrath will beg, hopefully fruitlessly, for a plea.
I personally think it has a fairly strong chance of dismissal, definitely for the FTA which I do not even see listed as a charge on the docket any longer, although the misd is listed as 002. The motion to continue on the 21st was denied, so I presume that was based on the DA objection to it. If all she has now is a dismissed FTA, which would indicate acknowledgement she was never served in the original, although as I recall LE making some sort of statements that they called her or contacted her and she admitted she had possession of the handgun in question, I can see exactly why one would move to dismiss. No witness, dropped charges, failure to mirandize and her mode is that it was a gift anyway (in my view, I have not asked). That is NOT theft people. That is NOT meeting the DA burden and he is going to look like a schlep for what reason I honestly cannot contemplate.
B
so who contacts the former cohabitors first–an mcso employee off the grid, even on his own time, or local CA LE after mcso sends them some request to go interview. This seems like mcso making furst contact with cohabitirs, the passing it on to CA LE after mcso has “developed” something.
I can’t say I know the timeline or routine with certainty- the only thing I am sure of is that by law when TMH moves the DA (Underhill) is provided her updated address. The rest MCSO could access via many of their databases, easily.
B
why does she have to give her address to Underhill?
(imo that office –ADAs — leaks like a sieve)
Not directly, but the DA has ultimate jurisdiction in active support cases and active support cases require the obligor to register every move and every job.
B
I prrsonally think the State AG needs to start investigating mcso over both CA antics and the spurious, defamatory Roseberg mfh allegation. Just will never happenwithEllen in office.
http://www.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2011/04/13/jttf-deadline-fbis-special-agent-for-portland-retiring
Art Balizan, the special agent in charge of Portland’s FBI field office, is leaving at the end of the month. Which means Mayor Sam Adams will be working like hell to find a compromise with the feds and his city council colleagues before he suddenly finds himself starting over with a brand-new FBI partner.
Beth Anne Steele, the local office’s public affairs specialist, confirmed the timeline for Balizan’s departure this afternoon. His retirement was imminent—he hits the bureau’s mandatory retirement age (57) this year. He could have waited to leave, but found a new job that starts in May. The timing was firmed up only a week or so ago, Steele told me.
“He’s retiring at the end of the month. It’s not a secret. It’s not a surprise,” says Steele, who wouldn’t say what the job is, other than that it’s “out of state.”
************
Rose, you may have already mentioned it, but do you know where Balizan went to work after he retired from the FBI? What job and where?
O/T Tara Grinstead murder
A series of pod casts beginning in August 2016 put together by an amateur sleuth and documentary film maker working from Atlanta Georgia is responsible for solving the crime. The the pod casts were put together by 29 year old Payne Lindsey.
Lindsey did not live in Ocilla. However, his grandmother did live there and he became interested in helping to solve the case. He was knowledgeable of the social groups in the area and was able to visit without raising a red flag. He did spend time looking at investigation materials in the GBI case files. From this information and his visits, he put together the pod casts. The GBI people did give credit to the media for helping to solve the case.
The latest thing after a GJ indictment is a Not Guilty plea by the alleged perp. The person charged in the case was heavily involved in the local drug scene. This involvement may be the motive for the robbery.
Ocilla is a small town and small town people keep up with what most are doing, This probably included the fact that Tara lived alone and her home was an easy target for robbery.
I will research this ATG, thank you for the info. I am most certainly not surprised a blogger looking into the case developed leads to resolve it (I have some experience in that area, lol) but I would like to see this individuals work for sure.
B
Ex-sheriff’s sergeant gets probation for sex with underage boy
http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2017/05/ex-sheriffs_sergeant_gets_probation_for_sex_with_underage_boy.html#incart_most-read_
More “antics” from WA County LEO’s. (same link)
snip>
Alexander’s arrest last year came in the midst of several Washington County Sheriff’s officers convicted of misconduct, with most of the cases sex-related.
Dan Cardinal, a former Washington County sergeant, was sentenced to two years of probation in January 2016 for repeatedly having sex with female coworkers while he was on duty.
Former Deputy David Bergquist received a year and a half of probation that March for pulling a female colleague’s breast out of her clothing and putting his mouth on it during a union party in 2015.
Cpl. Jon Christensen was sentenced in September 2016 to two years of probation for choking a female deputy the year before while demanding that she continue with their sexual relationship.
wth?
I hope there are some fact accumulations occurring here for oversight.
B
OT the FBI may not play games, but someone’s playing them with the FBI. no words.
I have the professional schedule of a roofer working retail (lol, not my line so I cant take credit, but pretty accurate) with very limited access to any personal devices on client site- I literally just learned this about an hour ago.
I have no political dog in the Comey fight as far as my opinion goes- but I know bad counsel when I see it and I saw this coming.
B
was Asst Supt Lopez, whom these parents have long complained of, there in 2010?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1357975587613268&id=489336124477223&refid=8
if so, What position?
Where did his wife, niw Woodlawn principal, work then in pps?
@TRuth. he returned to live near family (son & dau) in his old CA stomping grounds.
iirc he first worked as security head at Livermore Labs for what I’d call a short time. I haven’t
looked up the rest. Frankly I think the Quick Draw Rev and Karate teacher who prided himself on
his Security Chief private biz prowess would’ve been a better fit and better trained as any biz’
Security Dept head imo.
Re: FBI, bet Martha Stewart has words, lol.
Blink, Washington County, Oregon LE seem rife with scandals. Too bad there are no names of officers publicized wrt Kyron’s case on support agencies. Hard to believe any of these people took their jobs seriously given their culture. Once again, poor Kyron.
I do have a LEO living in Wa county- I suppose grandfathered from some rules, but I don’t post the addresses of LE obviously and he does not work for that LEA.
B
whoever from WA Cty was on the investigatory task force team is not as important imo as his workplace culture where a “solve it with the red-headed broad” attitude would’ve fit right in. Same culture as that in DA McGrath’s office as alleged in suit by female ADA attorney with whom his County settled.
O/T
Tara Grinstead case.
The title of the podcast is “Up and Vanished” by Payne Lindsey. There is an article on the Rolling Stone web site that is about the work Mr. Lindsey did.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/how-up-and-vanished-pod-cast-helped-solve-cold-murder-case-w472620
I seldom take work from Rolling Stone as accurate reporting,but some of it may be useful.
This case points out the fact that most of those less than forty years of age do not use MSM (radio/TV/magazines/newspapers)for a source of news or information. The internet and the smart telephones are their sources. The podcast produced some results.
Thank you ATG. Excellent accounting in this case and excellent use of non main stream media- as you know I actually started this blog because I felt there was an avenue to affect cases with an approachable and advocate based readership. The good contributors to BOC should feel part of successes like these. I realize success seems like an ill-chosen word at times when we are talking about recovery or deceased persons, but I can promise you and everyone reading here it is the preference of loved ones who otherwise struggle with the demons of the unknown.
B
Blink, Can you tell us if your WA County LE contact was on support team for Kyron’s case, or does s/he have knowledge about the case, or what does s/he think about that sheriff’s dept?
I apologize for being vague- but there is a member of MCSO directly involved with Kyron’s case who is a Wa county resident, there may be more I am unaware of.
B
You know…the more I read about how MCSO keep tracking trying to get charges to stick….can’t help going back to some cope being SZ….the steroids…the LE funeral that day & the stalking of Terri…just my 2 cents…..
@Harleycolt. imo yr 2 cents are worth 20 dollars.
makes sense. And maube SZ then was identified.
It is unfortunate for Kyron that
Reese rook over and is entrenched. He really wanted
to be mayor. I expect him to run after Wheeler on his fiscal
prowess (budgets), endirsed by Art, and
his arrest of Terri in a couple years.
Role model = Shrunk Sr who went Sheriff to Mayor.
If there was any chance they could EVER arrest Terri re either that bogus mfh or Kyron’s case- no matter how remote, they would never risk it with the current strategy to do so via other agencies on whatever “will stick”. I have worked on many cases personally over the years and as a result have developed very strong source networks within them, all but two that have resolved successfully. I say resolved successfully, but unfortunately in my world that means the individual was recovered and/or an offender was adjudicated. Macabre but necessary goals. The other is Jennifer Kesse, and I am about to change my front page with a re publication of my 2012 work on that case in honor of my interview with Dana on her case this evening. That is another solveable case that stagnates in the pool of LE error, imo.
I am THAT sure and more that TH had no involvement in Kyron’s disappearance and considering how MCSO/MCDA has treated any internal dissenters I very much doubt recovering Kyron (if it does not lead to Terri) is on anyone’s priority list as a practical matter (sadly). Look at Reese’s video message as an example- who touts an unsolved investigation of Kyron’s magnitude as a promotional feature of a new position within MCSO? Do you remember Underhill’s verbiage of “our LE agency partners” within his office’s filings? MCSO can give the “appearance” the FBI was calling the shots here (remember Kaine’s words after People Mag- the “FBI” wants to talk to Terri?) all they want- it is simply untrue.
SZ has never been identified. Unreal. A potential of over 400 witnesses to rebuild a crime scene, timeline, and suspect, wasted.
B
If you mean Bobby, he moved from
Beaverton (WA Cty) to Multnomah.
I am not Rose, but thank you.
B
A foul mouthed patron of Soldier brags she will
be at Motion, TShirt, sign and all.
Terri won’t be there. These people are narcissists
seeking a camera, not Kyron.
Who apparently are too self absorbed to realize they are actually helping to support TMH claims within the motion and potentially with the Judge.
B
and mcso had a retired deputy crime scene recreation
expert (he claims) available as a volunteer.
It is possible even likely PPS refused use of their premises for a
crime scene recreation with witnesses even were mcso mitivated and
competent to call on their retired guy who volunteers on cold cases.
You’ve git it would make public Mathews’ and Porter’s negligence, and
Terrones’ and male para’s absences from school.
Why doesn’t MCSO just want this all to go away. Record setting financial drain, years of no answers, a school’s negligence. They are willing to cross over to another state to chase their (non identified as) 6 year POI. What is pushing them. Justification for money spent? I just can not put that in perspective. Do they know something that nobody else knows. I just do not get it. You can understand the chalk stalkers because they are just hateful people feeling better about themselves by making someone else look worse.
I think the answer to that is there are individuals who have been demoted within MCSO as a result who would like to refresh their career path with a new Sheriff. A new sheriff who knows his agency can never justify the expenditure OR the actions of the agency he just inherited and nobody is going to care about who was at the helm when the audit hits the circular device. The case was one of the highest profiles in the Nation for a time, and definitely the most expansive and expensive in OR history and the last guy sitting in his office was voted out for no confidence. And the guy before him, the guy before him AND I think one more guy before him. You want to talk about going down with the ship, lol? This agency is treading water in a depth they can stand in, thinking nobody is watching.
I can honestly say that in recent memory I do not recall any case with a double failed grand jury, most especially on the same crimes and the same target. Neither can any DA or criminal def lawyer I have ever asked- and that is a very long list.
B
I agree with HarleyColt’s assessment. However, there are other possibilities about SZ. The School District was heavily into cooperative work with people from the Columbia River Authority and allowed them access to various campuses.
I believe that SZ was identified within days by LE, but he belonged to a protected class and could not be prosecuted without exposing the rampant corruption of the county government. Therefore, the corruptocrats targeted Terri, but could not find an avenue to convict her of the crime. To that end, they have made her life a living “hell” hoping she will make a major mistake that will give them what they desire.
Christina
I understand the importance of modern communication media and it’s potential for good in our society. I read this blog for a long time before making any comments. In that period, I came to the conclusion that the blog was truthful with little to no attacks on posters regarding their opinions or lack of understanding a particular point. That of course was created by the owner and administrator(s).
Investigation is based on facts and developed evidence. It doesn’t matter what is being investigated. Troubleshooting autos, computers, medical problems or anything else in a modern society is very similar. One learns to use proper techniques applied to the task at hand. Like every other skill, it must be learned. Some people are a lot better than others regarding skill development and its use.
IMO LE agencies are not the only ones capable of solving the commission of a crime. Blogs have people operating them or commenting that are very smart and have knowledge that LE does not have. This knowledge can be applied in a positive way to help keep our communities safe and bring to justice those who commit crimes.
I have never experienced the anguish of a parent who lost a child to a crime and the even greater anguish of loosing a child and not knowing what happened. However, I did experience the anguish of my own maternal grandmother regarding the lose of children to disease and I have never forgotten it.
Completely agree ATG, I appreciate persnickety more than I can tell you. Empathy and Compassion for others allows us to draw from our own experiences and their impacts even if (God forbid) we are certainly grateful to never really experience what some go through.
B
One supposes the motion in limine is to keep kyron related accusers and accusations out of the Courtroom and from the jury, whether on soldiers’ backs, boards, or mouths. It is now understood why the Davidsons have shut up and why Soldier said she’s posting less and keeping cleaner….. so as not to be accused of inflaming a potential jury pool. Of course there’s her FB Sacramento Justice For page that’s been inflaming locals for two years.
Oh that’s not the only reason…
B
In Terri’s shoes I’d have been in Court today
praying Ms Kyron shirt would demonstrate a
lack of self control to me.
I’m curious as to why there are two different judges hearing the Moulton grand theft case, is that normal? The assignment of two judges to one misdemeanor case?
Scrogin, Julia L, Wirtschafter, Benjamin Z
To my knowledge Scrogin is just hearing the motion to dismiss- which could be a purposeful function based on Wirtschafer’s schedule or a deadline issue, there are motions in limine, briefs and responses on the docket as well all of a sudden so either the clerk is behind on entry or all parties wanted them heard today. I can only tell you this hearing is still going as we speak and NO, nobody is there with a sign or a tshirt and if there had been they would have been booted.
All hat and no cattle as my sweet Mum used to say.
B
motives for Kaine’s second marriage:
Terri was an unpaid babysitter & mother figure, bolstering
kiara residing with him, had a financial nest egg as a legal
settlement he required her
to put to household expenses; had child support which
he promotly dramatically increased, expected she’d
earn a salary commensurate with a Masters.
We shall see on the next one. One motive: avert Kiara’s mother-need
in adolescence from promoting requests to see Terri. Kristen did
not offer the financial elements.
If he is remarried.
B
Motions Judge was appointed in 2010 & ran for election in 2014. Former tough DA.
Does that mean a new campaign in the next year?
https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=1439
There are former defendants on line writing about her bending rukes of procedure in an apparent effort to facilitate a conviction. She may be assigned to family court.
good gosh. the standard to hire cps type child welfare workers in OR is nonextent.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/358176-237836-domestic-abuse-case-entangles-oregon-dhs
not an msw. just a BA & not even one from a child welfare related field. And a terrible background check works.
“You want to talk about going down with the ship, lol? This agency is treading water in a depth they can stand in, ”
Reminds me of PPS.
Imo there should’ve been a Federal case re childrens’ right to education and Jydge M Simon would put PPS in Receivership for a few years which is what it’ll take to get rid of no bid contract predators, rebuild infeastruction, hire a decent legal group, reform contracting etc
Gee the lady with the foul mouth promising her presence, shirt & sign was merely hot air.
Stacey did not roust for volunteers to go this time. she must’ve been cautioned & likely she pm’d Lisa not to go.
therefore imo there is a chain stretching from the DA to Davidsons to Soldier re comportment as this charge is tried that extends back aways.
As Blink said she’s not trying the case, just assigned to motions. I’m far more suspicious than Blink as to why she caught the task of ruling on the Motion to Dismiss etc. Imo this former DA goes all out to assist her former boss’ shop on procedural matters.
I believe it was strategic alright. How many hearings for misdemeanor motions “trials” are you aware of that last 4 hours lol? All pre trial to trial dates have been pushed back to June so I am going out on a limb here that the motion to dismiss was denied but it can always be a function of the docket requirements in the system (time alotted for reconsiderations, brief replies
B
Richards is the sort who’ll establish a lengthy
record in today’s Motion(s) hearings to afford
plenty of room for appeal on her findings.
Blink, in addition to your spot on reply to Ode (& thanks for continuing my education), I would add a very strong determinant is not just individual outcomes but group agency culture as a whole. And mcso’s group social psychology construct has been entrenched back to Shrunk Sr. Like the workpllace allegations on misogeny re McGrath’s shop and re PPB. Like the Pennsyl Supreme Crt, PA AG’s Office, & PA State Police, MCSO has a culture. Reese was part of a similar culture when with PPB. Agency culture surmounts any individual deputy’s desire or ability to do an effective, clean investigation.
I agree it was denied, because that’s this Judge’s MO.
Let the DA have his day in Court. Again and again if he fires blanks.
Imo Richard’s goal was to create a record and he knew that going in.
btw I think a June trial was the DA’s strategy,
and Richards didn’t catch and avert that.
Why? The Anniversary.
Reason for Desiree to plaster herself all over
the media accusing Terri as usual.
Arguably legit pretrial publicity.
wondering where the new likeness
the Davidsons’ $ raising page
promised last year could be.
btw blink. another suspicion is DA intends to elicit
some testimony during trial allowing a felony charge.
ie someone may testify she pointed the gun at him or something.
Dang if I did not have a pretty lengthy post in reply to you Rose, grrr. Had to recreate.
In sum:
Scrogins ruling expected per se as it is not her case and let’s face it, her honor narrowly survived a recall effort already, lol.
I don’t know what this means, but I know enough to “know” it means something: ADA Ashley Tuft pushed to deny continuance for late June/July date which was based on Richard’s schedule availability, btw. (motion denied 4/21/17) thus the dismissal motion to be heard 5/11/17 the original day before pre trial hearing 5/12. THEN… Tuft can’t make the dates ( not saying it is the case here, but not an uncommon ADA tactic to not agree to a continuance as a docket strategy). SO.. 2nd chair or replacement ADA Rory McBryde is assigned the case for all of about 10 minutes and what do you know- this occurs after the defense raises the question of NOT being in receipt of exculpatory discovery, SCROGINS moves the dates and Tuft is back on. You see what I did there?
May or may not be relevant here, but of interest:
Prosecutorial Misconduct study in CA :
http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=ncippubs
I have mentioned this before, just became more interesting to me:
http://board.calbar.ca.gov/docs/agendaItem/Public/agendaitem1000015791.pdf
Has it dawned on anyone that orig charges in this case were a felony, then dropped due to no probable cause. Filed same day with knowledge complainant did not wish to press charges, once again is a misdy- and the potential offense to a prosecutor who “reasonably should know or know” about the burden of discovery evidence that is exculpatory to the defendant carries a felony conviction to a convicted prosecutor. Simply stated, wtf is the real issue here because I do not know what it is yet, but nobody will convince me that ANY ADA is going to take that risk in this case for this charge in this jurisdiction for any risk/ reward strategy I can outline- and I am very good at developing such lists.
Yuba DA FB: Tuft second in from right. Rory McBryde 5th from right with goatee and glasses.
https://www.facebook.com/yubacountydistrictattorney/photos/rpp.418233365023473/710040329176107/?type=3&theater
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@Blink. I wouldn’t be surprised if in his lifetime father had several more marriages. And wife 1 says affairs are a given to which wife 2 was also subject. So knowing this about his history tells me that live-in paramours, and wives of the future, are Very Needy.
Early on, looking at his early childhood with its revolving parent history, and Neil’s dominance, I posited Kaine might have treated his wives terribly due to an attachment disorder. He cannot have taken Terri’s time and labor over the years as a babysitter/house-yard keeper, and fed her to many wolves (mcso, Desiree, soldiers, MCSO/DA, Yuba/Sacramento), seen her effectively in homelessness and poverty, barred her from daughter, unless he has a significant personality disorder, or a severe attachment disorder such that he never bonded with her at all. But even inthe latter case, only a PD woukd have left himdevlid of human feeling. Which portends ill for kiara. And which wod explain his ineffectual if not nonexistant advocacy for kyron.
It is my personal opinion that if it is true that brother was victimized, and that information has been independently confirmed to me, that his brother was also. Kaine has not spoken publicly about it and I am not going to make allegations nobody can defend, but statistically it lines up. Before anyone wants to go where I don’t wish to I will leave it at this- there is no evidence I am aware of that Kyron was ever sexually abused by anyone at anytime. To my knowledge such allegations have never been brought to anyone, but as a matter of protocol when evaluating a child Kyron’s age for behavioral cues of concern, it would absolutely be part of the conversation in the evaluation process preformed by the doc and subject to his mandatory reporting requirements under the law (prior to assessment as well).
And yes, aware that appointment was scheduled for June 11. From a victimology perspective to any investigator building his profile it would elevate Kyron’s risk assessment. That does not mean anything other than the potential raises risk to a child his age with those factors.
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Ode says:
May 11, 2017 at 10:06 am
Blink says:
“The case was one of the highest profiles in the Nation for a time, and definitely the most expansive and expensive in OR history and the last guy sitting in his office was voted out for no confidence. And the guy before him, the guy before him AND I think one more guy before him. You want to talk about going down with the ship, lol? This agency is treading water in a depth they can stand in, thinking nobody is watching.”
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So true, and what bothers me most is that neither parent, or should I say none of the parents have made any effort to get this case moved to the FBI. (Oh, wait no one has confidence in the FBI leader either! LOL)
Seriously though, why didn’t they? Staton’s vote of no confidence was a perfect time to do just that.
Exactly. I know why I think they have not, but that does not mean I am correct. If they truly believe that Kyron was abducted than this is the FBI’s jurisdiction anyway.
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agency culture at Clackamus County Sheriff’s, led by the Sheriff and top commanders,
rewarded a “detective’s” venal incompetence, created significant harm to the public, and victimized
the sole detective supervisor with integrity:
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2017/05/detective_failed_to_investigat.html#incart_std