Dr. Phil Show Hosts Missing Portland Child Kyron Horman’s Step Mom Terri Horman Over Two Episodes
I have been covering this case since Kyron Horman disappeared from Skyline School in June, 2010. Like most missing persons cases I have covered in the past, I am of the strong opinion that best efforts at the truth are the only way to propel investigations that, similarly to Kyron’s, have gone cold for one reason or another. This approach has worked in resolving some of my previous cases. I am proud of that. I remain steadfast to the integrity involved in those and future cases.
Over the past 10 months (or so) I have been developing an updated series on Kyron’s case to include my multiple interviews with Kyron’s step-mom, Terri Horman. Needless to say as she was the subject of at least three simultaneous cases before an Oregon court and remains a person of interest by the agency investigating her sons disappearance, this has been an arduous and sometimes delicate journey. Ms. Horman’s experiences during the ongoing investigation of the disappearance of Kyron Horman are critically important to propelling his case and with great hope- finding the truth about what happened to this cherubic and innocent child. There are dozens of sources, collateral interviews, forensic experts and legal analysts that also contribute to my series and have done so because of their belief that my motivation is to bring to light information and opinions in such a way that would almost “require” a focused review of Kyron’s case and the likely shaking of that proverbial tree everyone talks about.
Set to publish about 6-ish weeks ago I was asked to postpone the first installment of the series, which I did. I subsequently learned Ms. Horman was participating in the Dr. Phil program after she completed taping. Dr. Phils producers were well aware that Ms. Horman had interviewed with me extensively, and anticipated my series would be publishing information that was not known to the public previously in the days prior to her scheduled episode. When Ms. Horman conveyed to me that she feels obligated to speak out about “her son” in any national medium that will have her, I most certainly respected that. I still do.
While Dr. Phil seems like a gregarious fellow for sure, I have zero interest in being associated with his program, nor do I believe his shows content is designed to do any furtherance of investigation or truth. There is much concern (although I have no affiliation to the show whatsoever) that the timing of the publication of my series on the Kyron Horman matter might be interpreted differently or inadvertently contribute to the programs content or audience reactions. Not what I signed on for. A missing 7 year old boy six years running is not a framework for entertaining a target audience. He is not fodder for online social media bully campaigns- yet it occurs.
I will be publishing my series on Kyron’s case at a later date, in it’s entirety with no editing adjustments as a result of any of the appearances on Dr. Phil. I appreciate your patience and your understanding. Feel free to discuss the show below.
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And the big question here is how do you know that they are hiding evidence. In TH’s case she has exculpatory evidence that she personally did not take Kyron, so the “evidence” must present her as orchestrator of Kyron’s disappearance. How can they make a case for that without the identity of SZ? Without knowing what happened to Kyron much less why? How can they possibly make a case without at least one component?
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In a 2013 case in which prosecutors misled the trial judge about the poor track record of the state’s forensics expert, Judge Alex Kozinski of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit rattled the legal profession by declaring that there was an ‘‘epidemic’’ of prosecutors’ withholding evidence. In March, the National Registry of Exonerations reported that 70 of the 166 exonerations in 2016 involved government misconduct, which most frequently entailed the withholding of evidence.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/prosecutors-withheld-the-evidence-that-would-have-freed-her/ar-AApeBce?li=BBnb7Kz
The language of misconduct ‘‘feeds a narrative that prosecutors are corrupt, which is poisonous,’’ says Joshua Marquis, a longtime district attorney in Oregon who pushed for the resolution as a member of the N.D.A.A.’s executive committee. ‘‘Police say there’s a war on cops. Many of us career prosecutors feel there’s something of a war on prosecutors.’’
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/prosecutors-withheld-the-evidence-that-would-have-freed-her/ar-AApeBce?li=BBnb7Kz
All I can say is that I don’t talk about my personal casework, but as a general comment I have worked on cases where this was a factor. Having a Judge that is “right down the middle” fair to the system is a big help, but it becomes similar to dodging landmines throughout the process once it is discovered. This “win at all costs” mentality does nothing for the administration of justice, imo.
I am following a NYC case where I suspect/fear a prosecutor will be removed (or recuse) because they directed (allegedly) the interrogations of a man who was illegally questioned (had representation) by the cops. If that information gets tossed the suspect will not only walk, but it is likely his co defendant will as well. My point in saying this is that the administration of justice requires prosecutors follow the rules for all cases- they carry some of the widest berth of immunity – there must be strict oversight for that, not the presumption they all follow it, imo.
I once had a case where the DA offered immunity with the sole intention of voiding it. At the time I was working on that side of the aisle and the deal meant recovering a victim, but I still voiced my opinion that we had other options I felt we could exhaust first. It ended up giving a co defendant another trial, which I feared would happen, but he ended up taking a plea. I mention this because I think it is important to learning that our system is imperfect but it is clear the burdens lie within the prosecution to prove their case at all times.
B
” it does nothing for Kyron in any way, to highlight any of the absolute misuse and abuse of offices here”
Agreed, bcz it is never productive to look backwards with what ifs and but fors in life inclthis investigation, only to look forward and say where now? —”am starting to ask myself the inmate v asylum question in this case as far as his ousting” Absolutely. And imo his ousting by Reese began long before it began, wbitewashed for public. Reese had to leave PPB as soon as he could retire–Mayor wanted him GONE. I doubt he first hit his Sheriff idea when he called Dan in Jan 2016 to express an interest. Reese’ best friend was & is Marshman whose wife had a powerful job at mcso–Shea, out of whose shop the first public complaints issued re Dan. Shea was among the first mcso employees to flamboyantly resign. Imo there was a cabal seeking to oust Dan from the day Skipper promoted him over their heads. One of his most public opponents was Gates, who has been senior over “investigators” since 2010 & has achieved promotions on the case’s back and by leading internal op to Dan. imo the inmates, not the asylum were to blame in Kyron’s case, and Dan was right to feel himself surrounded by illwishers. Imo Reese colluded with those in mcso who wished to oust Dan fromtge time he resigned under duress at PPB.
Desiree, who staged tears on camera over animal bones as planned by a crime show producer, was she among those paid? That’s the only thing I can think of making the Klass’ org’s animal handler subcontractees stage an effective walkout.
I don’t know the answer to that, Rose.
B
@erose, Blink “IMO, for this to change it is their perception that needs to be changed, ” Both have been characterologically consistant across their entire (known) adulthoods, and family members of origins’ behaviors as well. Teue across partners and settings. Borh will not change either perception or behavior in future imo. And both have intimate family enablers.
If Kaine did remarry and introduced a second new mother after kristin, I’d like to know how he, Judge Kantor, and incompetent Billie keep getting away with siccing new mothers on kiara while barring her relationship with realmother. iirc kaine’s (incredibly lousy) argument was she hadn’t seen her in 4 years. But he keeps introducing strangers into tge role. IF he remarried or moved another sex partner in.
What you are describing Blink & erose is precisely what DA Shrunk, Underhill, Rees, Moawad, and mcso Staton & “detectives” did in the civil divorce-custody case, nay even originally crafted. DA Office Repeatedly sent, or did not dispute Rackner’s pleadings, writing to Judges in an active adversarial case, where the judiciary had at Rackner’s request removed her chikd from her, averring TMH was the focus of their investigation, but they could not divulge any incriminatory, and did not divulge any exculpatory, evidence. Shrunk just said Trust Us.
Agreed.
B
Justice will not be served until TMH has won a significant Federal tort suit
against MCSO/MCDA, and the state actors I named above individually.
maybe Gates and other command staff were public leaders in ousting Staton because he had a history, in this case but probably others, of saying we’re wrong, we need a new approach, new personnel. Gates & others alleged he changed personnel arbitrarily and that created a frightening internal culture. But maybe Staton was right. Budnik never asked that question when he led the media charge to oust Staton & appoint Reese.
I wonder if it is not tied to the sanctuary city status.
B
Thank you for the informative response. Agree and will dig a little bit further.
I only shake my head on this ridiculous circus. A missing boy and to this day, it is all theater.
erose
Cleaning up an area in government requires a determination to do the right thing. Dealing with criminal activity and other government activities is oftentimes stressful work. Then there is the political side where those elected have to be careful to not make the public upset to the point that fund raising and votes are not affected.
Your link is a story about a case in Memphis, Tenn. I don’t know if you have ever spent any time in that city. It was and is a river city on the Mississippi river that was always tough and rough. The majority of those working the barges and tugs on the river have little education. This spills over into the city population and creates difficulties for all and especially for LE and the courts. It has become much like is often reported about Detroit. There are major population problems that create the majority of crimes.
As an example of determination regarding government, the following is a true story.
I needed some information regarding the layout of a subdivision in our county so I made a trip to the county courthouse to get a copy of the official plat. As I was leaving the county clerk’s office, I encountered my friend Ed who was the precinct one constable. We began to have a conversation and were joined by the County Judge. It was not the time of the month for a regular meeting of Commissioners Court so we asked why he was present.
He was having a special meeting of the court to discuss the costs with repairing damages to county roads by farmers and ranchers for driving their iron wheel tractors on the asphalt pavement of county roads.
There are two types of iron (steel)wheeled tractors. The original designs of tractors where the rear wheels are a wide rim of steel supported by spokes from the mounting hub and have steel projections that dig into the ground surface to gain the traction needed. These are basically antiques and have been replaced with the crawler type tracks although a few of the original type still exist.
Shortly after we began the discussion we were joined by the County Attorney. I suggested that the commissioners consider sending the offender a bill for repairs and if it was not paid to use the authority of the court to collect it. The judge said he was not sure there was any legal way to do the billing or force payment.
The County Attorney liked my suggestion and said he would look into that possibility. He also stated that the Commissioners Court should consider an ordinance to prevent the driving of tracked or iron wheeled equipment on county roads.
The County Judge began to back away from the issue and I realized that the major offenders were also some of the people who made contributions to get him elected and of course were his vote base.
So, being the “big tough Texan”, I called him on his stance. I also reminded him that farmers and ranchers were not the only people using the roads and paying taxes to construct and maintain them. This issue was not solved at that time and it points out how politics can adversely affect the work of government.
Hmmm, I had a post disappear from yesterday. Oh well, here I go again.
It’s been seven years, with apparently at least two GJ’s empaneled, what in the world are the charges the DA has presented to the GJ? LE knows that TMH did not remove Kyron from that school. So how could she be charged for an abduction? Perhaps the charges are as rose posited, for a John Doe, otherwise known to us as SZ, and upon his anticipated arrest at some point, the case will fall neatly into place.????
But if there were no witnesses to SZ leaving the school with Kyron, how can they even present the GJ with an abduction case in the first place? For all we know Kyron left on his own, fell into some abandoned well, or wandered into the woods and was scooped up by a dingo (bear or cougar).
There is a child missing, but that’s not a crime unless one can prove he went missing at the hand of someone else. I’m assuming they can’t prove that, or someone would be in jail. The only crime I see that should be presented to the GJ is the negligence of the school that allowed a child to disappear under their watch. If that case were brought before the GJ, maybe we would have had some answers by now.
So my question is, for the last seven years, what is a GJ being asked to do? The impossible? Pull a rabbit out of that rabbit hole?
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Blink I appreciate all your valuable “windbagging” carry on.
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I know this reminds many of the Ramsey case, but in many ways it reminds me of the Jaycee Dugard abduction. Carl Probyn, her step-father at the time was zeroed in on by police, last to see her, etc. I know he went through multiple LDT’s, etc., and at one point he was asked if he ever wanted Jaycee out of his life, and he answered truthfully, like well yeah sometimes I wish she’d go live with her dad, or something along those lines. Which of course, made him look even worse to LE and he was pursued relentlessly. He and Jaycee’s mom divorced. And of course, we all know now, he had nothing to do with her abduction and was the sole adult witness to it, but LE would not back off, even after he passed his LDT’s. What a tremendous waste of time and money on LE’s part.
Anywho, does anyone know if a GJ was ever called together where they tried to make a circumstantial case appear against Jaycee’s stepdad?
From the perspective of LE “tunnel vision” I think there are many candidates for comparison for sure- I don’t have any specific knowledge of the Duggard gj matter, unfortunately. I find it incredibly odd that the one individual who had actual acquaintances arrested, arising out of the Kyron case in the first place, was not under similar scrutiny. I say this as a procedural issue because I have never seen any evidence that Kaine was involved in his sons disappearance, but in my view, if I am evaluating whether the possibility exists that Kyron disappeared by some means because of a lifestyle issue (periphery associations) that information elevates him in my mind. To be clear, I have no reason to believe he was involved directly, and I feel that way about all 4 parents. Terri remains in the sights (in my view) because LE developed a mfh scenario that never happened, but in my mind it caused “the leap” of folks to say that if she was capable of that she was capable of arranging the secreting or death of Kyron by some means. In essence, they are labeling “solicitation” of sorts as her MO. Even if anyone really believed that, and today, I do question the sensibility of why SZ has not been sought directly by the very people that witnessed him on June 4th, but if one subscribes to that thinking than it would have had to have been someone Terri knew, as all other allegations involve someone she was openly tied to through some means.
SO…. if I am investigating this under the auspice it was T, with help solicited from someone she knew but I cannot identify, who rises to that suspect pool? Porter. I realize I am repeating myself, but the one person who could have sounded the alarm on June 4th on multiple occasions at multiple times throughout the day, was aware of a PENDING dr, appt, was a supporter of medical evaluation for Kyron’s potential “issues” and was in touch with T on a nearly daily basis via email (so its verifiable). I do not have any information to suggest Porter was involved, but I mention this to highlight how ridiculously incongruent the thinking AND the theory are. Porter has never so much as had a polygraph, has given deposition that it was her negligence that Kyron was not reported absent and never so much as checked on his location, or noticed his belongings in the back of her class OR read the email from T about picking up the project she received around 1:30 ish- which would have definitely prompted a conversation about Kyron’s whereabouts in the first place. Every indicator Kyron was missing was in front of this woman and she got a giant pass- I will never understand that, as well as I will never understand how RSE escaped potential suspect status under the given theory either.
I would offer this is exactly why this case status is where it is over 7 years and 2 failed gj’s later.
B
I see erose and I are asking the same question re what the grand jury is deliberating.
Kafoury would csrtainly want a Sheriff who supported the
Sanctuary State law and would not testify in Salem advocating the
State policy be relegislated. Confident Reese promised her
that to get appounted.
https://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/25/the-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/
11/25/15 appearing the next day on youtube.
Desiree = both sole source and “pain” focus.
company zip code 98109…Seattle.
who are these people?
who did they pay?
12/13/16
https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/12/13/missing-boys-stepmom-heading-to-court-on-separate-charges/
Desiree = sole interviewee and determined accuser. Reads like a very bad PR campaign by Desiree.
much more needs to be know about this show & its procedures & practices.
where’s Staton’s Book? Co authors Budnik & Bernstein?
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/07/25/tom-jackson-book-policing-ferguson-policing-america-ctn.cnn
@TRuth. You & erose ask the same Q re what GJ is investigating bcz you are both way smart and true researchers. I We are reminded of a GJ’s utility by Fed DAG Rosenstein’d didactic interview. Blink says it has to be new “stuff” on #2 in OR, and DDS’ testimony was the new stuff that got a judge to impanel.
we’ve been reminded by Rosenstein that a GJ is often merely a tool (on Fed level, not on the Mult DA’s page which imo is corrupts process) to compel testimony and to obtain docs by subpoena. an aid to investigation by compelling testimony. So, imo GJ 2 was authorized by a Judge to compel DDS’ testimony, which was validated by subsequent poly, leaving mcda/so high and dry. imo the whole Soldier petition push for a diff Cty DA to charge terri for something anything slurious is the resukt of Desiree being told by mcda that GJ 2 is not going to result in charges and will disband soon.
I would only add for clarification purposes that to impanel a gj on a same or similar potential criminal charge or charges the burden on the prosecutor/DA requesting same is that there is new evidence or previously known evidence that has created new investigative avenues (you recall Staton and Underhill used this exact language in affi’s) but the DA does not disclose WHAT that is as a means to be granted the order to impanel, if that makes sense. In other words, there is a bit of good faith that goes on, a Judge does not weigh whether or not said “evidence” is actually new or created new investigative avenues” it is presumed.
B
show began in 2015
picked up Hansen in Aig 2016 to work from NY
show based in LA
http://q13fox.com/2016/08/22/chris-hansen-to-host-crime-watch-daily/
Hansen was preceded by
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/distribution/australian-crime-reporter-doran-host-crime-watch-daily/140559
background on CWD’s creator-owner, a Facebook fan a Warner Bros producer
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/fifth-estate/executive-something-extra/85434
Doran actually left CWD in only about 6 months
in early november 2015 for another job
before Desiree’s show aired 2 weeks later,
and he moved back to Sydney in early 2017
for a better job. That Lisa has done a lot of
“globe scouring” to find hosts.
early Sept 2015 search Blink referred to
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/09/family_plans_search_for_missin.html
url above mentions the new nondisclosure agreement.
CWD probably wanted to hold back
news of any finding until their show
aired in Nov. Klasskids of course had its own
marketing to do wrt “findings.” Subcontractees with dogs pulled out?
This Sept event may be what led Doran to go find
another job within the next month. He seems a
reputable newsman.
imo it’s who Porter is related to that protected her.
?
B
Defendants Kept in the Dark About Evidence, Until It’s Too Late https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/nyregion/defendants-kept-in-the-dark-about-evidence-until-its-too-late.html
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So many kristina Ps in Oregon, but this one may be
from a family of Butlers in another state. wondering if she’s married.
& clout lies in a spouse family?
ot well after complaints,
marshman has gone to opposite extreme,
the do nothing approach to policing.
http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/08/06/as-portland-police-stand-by-alt-right-and-antifa-protesters-beat-each-other-bloody/
Great minds, as they say.
T. Ruth says:
August 6, 2017 at 12:25 pm
T. Ruth says:
August 6, 2017 at 12:18 pm
I have never understood why no-one involved in finding Kyron or Kyrons family have not looked at Porter a a possible suspect or at least as a willing enabler of whomever disappeared Kyton. The extra 6 hours she provided to Kyrons abductor was a gift to him. No other single thing that happened on that day did more to insure that Kyron would never be found. I can understand why TH almost physically attacked her after realizing her inaction and lack of responsibility for Kyron. They would have had to hold me back hid I been in TH’s place. But she is never mentioned by the hater groups, DY or MCSO.
Instead of concocting a theory that DDS helped take him when DDS wasn’t even there , barley knew Kyron and had no motive to harm him. Why has no-one ever suspected that a person who saw Kyron every day, Gave him consistently bad reviews for his behavior and failed to report him missing for 6 hours was somehow involved.
more “fake news”, misleading the public, again & again.
http://koin.com/2017/08/06/dad-of-kyron-horman-says-leads-still-come-in/
Kaine’s version of “leads” are tellie calls from
around the world saying maybe I saw Kyron at the rodeo.
Searches based on “leads”? hogwash
Likely a Soldier typing away with a “tip.” .
Honestly, I cannot believe the words coming out of his mouth sometimes.
“…Horman said, “The odds are that he’s still out there, somewhere, so we can’t stop what we are doing, we need to keep looking…”
This man is speaking about his then 7 year old son, abducted from his school, by an individual he himself has stated LE does not know the identity of, and this is his position. His opinion on “the odds.”
I apologize to anyone if this seems insensitive, I do not mean it to be. That said, if he took the time to actually ask a professional trained in investigating the abduction of a child that age, by a stranger, he would be told that there was over a 95% chance his child was murdered within 24 hours of his abduction. SO if he is clinging to that 5%- where the eff exactly is HE looking for him, given the circumstances? Inexcusable, imo.
B
ATG, This country has a shortage of men and women of integrity. When prosecutors have more ambition for their careers than for justice under the law, it’s everyone’s problem, IMO. Your example is a good analogy of how common sense gets kicked to the curb.
A Texas Grandfather says:
August 6, 2017 at 10:41 am
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erose
Cleaning up an area in government requires a determination to do the right thing. Dealing with criminal activity and other government activities is oftentimes stressful work. Then there is the political side where those elected have to be careful to not make the public upset to the point that fund raising and votes are not affected.
Rose, For me, it is more a plea than anything. Just looking for something to click.
Rose says:
August 6, 2017 at 7:32 am
@erose, Blink “IMO, for this to change it is their perception that needs to be changed, ” Both have been characterologically consistant across their entire (known) adulthoods, and family members of origins’ behaviors as well. Teue across partners and settings. Borh will not change either perception or behavior in future imo. And both have intimate family enablers.
(Had I been in TH’s shoes, I would have lunged at her, too.) I know you are theorizing that TH and Porter could be conspirators, (not that you believe that of course) but Porter (again theoretically) could have conspired with SZ. She covered for him, in essence. DY and TY were miles away, but if there is collusion with another person to commit a crime, one need not be present. Or, at least that is what KH and DY believe.
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SO…. if I am investigating this under the auspice it was T, with help solicited from someone she knew but I cannot identify, who rises to that suspect pool? Porter. I realize I am repeating myself, but the one person who could have sounded the alarm on June 4th on multiple occasions at multiple times throughout the day, was aware of a PENDING dr, appt, was a supporter of medical evaluation for Kyron’s potential “issues” and was in touch with T on a nearly daily basis via email (so its verifiable). I do not have any information to suggest Porter was involved, but I mention this to highlight how ridiculously incongruent the thinking AND the theory are. Porter has never so much as had a polygraph, has given deposition that it was her negligence that Kyron was not reported absent and never so much as checked on his location, or noticed his belongings in the back of her class OR read the email from T about picking up the project she received around 1:30 ish- which would have definitely prompted a conversation about Kyron’s whereabouts in the first place. Every indicator Kyron was missing was in front of this woman and she got a giant pass- I will never understand that, as well as I will never understand how RSE escaped potential suspect status under the given theory either.
I would offer this is exactly why this case status is where it is over 7 years and 2 failed gj’s later.
B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/09/21/dr-phil-show-hosts-missing-portland-child-kyron-hormans-step-mom-terri-horman-over-two-episodes/#comments
Yes, I am positing any permutation of potential for Porter’s involvement (from a mandatory investigative perspective) because she literally held the cards as to whether or not an alarm (figuratively) would sound over a 7 hour span. You cannot dismiss that a planned abduction considered the possibility about someone missing the child and reporting it and that only leads to Porter. If excluded, and I offer it likely could be, than this offender took a kid out of this school without care it would be discovered within minutes and unfortunately, that is a very specific offender profile as far as I am concerned. Either way- My God, the answers just start and end there so what a fat, missed opportunity.
B
Blink, Let me put my skids on, you say PORTER NEVER REPORTED HIM ABSENT? How in the world did the press say otherwise. Another HUGE misdirection of public perception. Wouldn’t the public demanded more scrutiny of a teacher who failed to report a child absent?
Yes, you heard it here first. Kyron was never marked absent, was never signed out in the sign out book required for parents to withdraw their kids and Susan Hall was never notified, who is the “keeper” of absentee or kids removed during the school day records. Kyron was marked absent retroactively when the “calling system” was activated that Monday and the call went to the parents (as DY has commented). I have no answer as to why the press reported he was, except to say they never sourced that information.
B
June 6th, 2010
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It was unclear when the boy was reported absent. Robb Cowie, Portland Public Schools communications director, said school officials were asked by law enforcement not to comment on any details because it might impede the investigation.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html
Yup. There you go. Unclear because he never was. That part, is clear.
B
ot
oh jesus christ.
please excuse me fellow evangelicals.
at least marshman is going going into
Reese’s waiting arms eventually
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/08/portland_mayor_selects_outside.html
all I can say is Wheeler did her NO favor. Her only experience is one and only one PD, the corrupt Oakland Dept which in Jan got a new older seasoned (been around the block) female chief tasked to clean the Dept up, and imo the reason this Deputy Chief was given a longer leash last May was her Portland prospective escape hatch. She looks lovely, and kind, and Wheeler just fed her to PPB wolves. She needed a different stepping stone. imo what Wheeler selected was a defacto beholden compliant Chief.
ot
prediction fulfilled.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/08/portland_mayor_selects_outside.html
Marshman retired on the spot rather than facilitate her transition.
No surprise he would not be supportive of tbe next chief.
She’s too good for Portland. Belongs somewhere like DC,
understudying chief Lanier.
That jurisdiction is one hot potato. Godspeed to Chief Outlaw (omg the name irony, lol)
B
posted bcz I think Marshman will surface at mcso tout suit. immature reaction on his part expectable imo. And with mcso he’ll get a higher salary likely than he’d step back to in PPB. Retire at PPB, make out doubledipling at mcso.
Where is vwoolfie’s pers expertise? & always missing malty’s prose and pov.
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/368470-250996-portlands-new-police-chief-danielle-outlaw-picked-by-mayor-ted-wheeler
It appears that the Portland Mayor has selected the woman from Oakland, Daniele Outlaw as the new police chief. Good luck with that choice.
If anyone has visited Oakland since 2002, they will see a city in decline.
“where the eff exactly is HE looking for him, given the circumstances? ”
We know for a fact he is looking at car shows & garage sales,
where he takes pics of underage kids for “ids”.
@ link. the issue is whether kristina is related to a
male porter long w/miller nash & thus a rep to pps.
I have no reason to believe she is, but I don’t know- only that she was represented by the same school solicitor as the others.
B
wrt ” If excluded, and I offer it likely could be, than this offender took a kid out of this school without care it would be discovered within minutes and unfortunately, that is a very specific offender profile”
first tîme iirc you’ve phrased it this way and imo u nail it
You can’t imagine the lengths I have gone to personally and professionally to change my opinion on that (thus far).
But, I have not since as long ago as I can remember actually having one. An opportunistic sexually motivated offender remains a theory that I cannot exclude.
B
wrt Blink’s comment at erose says:
August 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm
imo kaine and desiree are
pleces of work to kyron’s detriment.
Cowie says “WHEN the boy was reported absent” not IF the boy was reported absent. “Unclear”, I posit as intentionally misleading because if the truth were told parents would pull their kids from the school and all eyes would be on a negligent teacher. Just to make sure no one can drill down, the integrity of the investigation is used, I mean abused.
erose says:
August 7, 2017 at 7:40 pm
June 6th, 2010
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It was unclear when the boy was reported absent. Robb Cowie, Portland Public Schools communications director, said school officials were asked by law enforcement not to comment on any details because it might impede the investigation.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html
Yup. There you go. Unclear because he never was. That part, is clear.
B
Now we know he wasn’t ever marked absent by anyone on June 4th.
January says:
November 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Oh my gosh, Rose, Thank you! You are absolutely right! I just did a google search and continually found statements saying Kyron had been marked absent, however, none of them stated that Ms. Porter marked him absent. Here are a few examples:
Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
Searchers have declined to provide some details of the investigation, including when school officials marked Kyron Horman absent on June 4.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
The bus driver called back to the school and found out he had been marked absent hours before.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/
Rose, On Michael Porter.
vw says:
November 23, 2012 at 6:59 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/
This KATU article is not longer at the link, but it seems TH was told by someone that Porter marked Kyron absent. If she writes this in an email on June 5th and Kyron wasn’t marked absent until Monday the 7th, then who lied to her on June 4th or 5th? And presumably lied to KH, DY and TY. Not to mention the parents of Skyline students, and the rest of us.
wpg says:
November 23, 2012 at 8:39 pm
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snip from TH emails dated June 5 2010
from KATU article published August 9 2010 at 10:14pm:
“Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/
I dont know when Terri learned that Kyron for certain was not marked absent, I know that when she called the school from inside the bus Hall first checked the system and then called porter on the PA to inquire where he was because he was not on it, and had not been marked absent, nor was there an entry in the log required to remove him. Susan Hall is known as a pristine record keeper herself and expects the same of others- I have heard that from multiple parents.
B
Can’t stop. More lies and reporting of lies.
cd says:
November 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Rose says:
November 23, 2012 at 7:24 pm
@Cindy. I don’t recall any bio,
press conference, or media article
stating Ms Porter marked him absent.
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Here are 2 media reports that say Kyron was marked absent although they don’t necessarily say he was marked at 10:00 am.
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10 a.m. Classes begin.
At some point, Kyron’s homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
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Terri Horman said around 8:45 in the morning, the last time she saw her stepson Kyron, he was walking down this hallway in his school on his way to his second grade classroom.
It’s unclear exactly who, if anyone, saw him after that point, or where, but Ms. Porter started class as usual, reading group, then recess, then lunch. At some point in the day, Kyron was marked absent. At 3:00 PM, it was time for the school buses to line up. Kids tired from a full day filed on board and plopped down in their seats, all but one.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/#.ULBA7aXUBFI
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/
Rose, I think this is as far as I ever got with Porter’s relationship to PPS attorney Michael Porter.
erose says:
November 24, 2012 at 2:17 am
See “supply list” K & 1st grade. Kyron’s teacher is “Miss Porter.”
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?
q=cache:OQU8O8VXtxUJ:www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/+kristina+porter+11536+portland&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
erose says:
November 24, 2012 at 3:06 am
@Rose, Perhaps what you were referencing as Porter’s family member. Veromi has her related to a Michael Howard Porter
erose says:
November 24, 2012 at 6:26 am
Veromi lists Warren, OR (pop approx 3000) as one of three where Kristina M Porter has lived. Portland and Monmouth are the other two. Her family seems to have resided in this small community at least one generation, and I believe they came from an even smaller town in WA, on the coast named Bay Center (pop in 2000 was 174). Monmouth is the home of Western Oregon University.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/#comments
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Went back to veromi, note Michael Howard and Michael I both 38 yrs:
PORTER, KRISTINA MARIE (Age 43)
Available(2)
Available
WARREN, OR
PORTLAND, OR
MONMOUTH, OR
Possible Relatives:
PORTER, MICHAEL HOWARD (Age 38)
PORTER, YVONNE MARIE (Age 60)
PORTER, MICHAEL I (Age 38)
PORTER, LEE
PORTER, MATTHEW L (Age 61)
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=kristina&mn=m&ln=porter&age=&city=portland&state=OR&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=70&y=6
I only bring this up because of the locations of Warren (the route), and Bay Center (the coast) and of course the possibility has entered my mind that the person that took Kyron could have been an opportunist connected to his teacher, instead of his parents. I also want to add that KP grew up in a small, small town, where everybody knows everybody and this could have contributed to someone having a trusting nature, fwiw.
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Warren is an unincorporated community in Columbia County, Oregon, United States located on U.S. Route 30 north of Scappoose and south of St. Helens on Scappoose Bay of the Columbia River.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren,_Oregon
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/11/kyron-horman-disappearance-series-part-i-desiree-young-v-terri-horman-civil-as-an-oxymoron/comment-page-48/#comments
Blink, If this wasn’t based on NBC’s Kate Snow’s assumption, then the lie that Kyron was marked absent originated with the person on the end of the phone with the bus driver, presumably office staff. Hall?
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The bus driver called back to the school and found out he had been marked absent hours before.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/little-boy-lost/
It is inaccurate on a few counts, erose. The bus driver never called the school, Terri did, with the bus drivers phone, from the bus they boarded when they were waiting for him and learned he was not on it. So technically, Terri calls the school, and it was BECAUSE he was NOT marked absent in the system that Hall has access to, she gets Porter on the PA system, which is overheard by the busdriver and Kaine. If you can believe it- Porter still does not observe Kyron’s things in the class until the Horman’s arrive and they think to check. The fact that he was not marked absent (as overheard) had both Terri and Kaine thinking that he must be at the school somewhere and this was some misunderstanding. Until they got there.
B
Our top match for Dorathy Porter was an individual named Dorathy E Porter. He lived in Hood River, OR, 97031 and passed away at the age 86 years old. He was related to Kristina M Porter, Mary Ruth Porter, Matthew L Porter, Michael Howard Porter, Michael Lee Porter, Yvonne Marie Porter, and Angela D Weber.
https://www.instantcheckmate.com/people/dorathy-porter/
PORTER, DORATHY EUNICE (Age 103)
Associated names:
PORTER, DOROTHY E
Available(1)
Available
HOOD RIVER, OR
Possible Relatives:
PORTER, MICHAEL HOWARD (Age 38)
PORTER, MATTHEW LEE (Age 61)
PORTER, LEE
PORTER, HOWARD L
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=dorathy&mn=e&ln=porter&age=&city=&state=OR&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=75&y=14
Does not look like this is Porter’s brother.
003560 Mr. J. Michael Porter Miller Nash LLP Portland OR
https://www.osbar.org/_docs/leadership/bog/minutes/20110729BOGminutesSpecial.pdf