Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Blasts Team Padilla
Orlando, Fl– Late last week the latest motions in the defense of Tot mom Casey Anthony for allegedly murdering her 34 month old daughter Caylee were filed. Talk about your average ingrate. The very team Jose Baez called on for help to bail out his client is the latest target in Baez defense teams attempt to restart the bilge pump in Casey’s sinking ship.
Baez latest attempt to un-ring the Padilla bell may as well have arrived at the clerks office on a cocktail napkin; it will be taken exactly that seriously.
There is no expectation of privilege where there is no attorney/client relationship in Florida. The question is, did Jose Baez sufficiently disclose that information to his client, Casey Anthony? Is this motion really designed to stave off the current Florida Bar complaints under investigative review?
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to blinkoncrime.com that Baez is attempting to head the testimony of Padilla et al “off at the pass” for multiple reasons. It is expected that the backyard babblings of Casey Anthony to Tracy Mclaughlin will corroborate some of the evidence at the scene where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found. That’s not all. Baez is indirectly looking to block Leonard, Tracy, Rob and Tony from the civil case against his Client filed by Zenaida Gonzalez by blocking them from allowing their testimony as witnesses for the state in the criminal trial.
So What Would They Say?
Leonard Padilla, and occasionally Rob Dick have appeared on camera and spoken publicly about this case for the better part of a year.
Tony Padilla agreed to appear once on Nancy Grace to clear up some inconsistencies about the Surety process at the request of his surety firm early on, but prefers not to speak about the case publicly. Tracy has never given an interview publicly, but all of them have given statements to the FBI. What possible grounds will he claim to assert privilege when they did not work for Baez, nor did Baez ever pay any of them for anything?
None, because there aren’t any.
As far as revelations in their testimony, don’t expect any bombshells that have not been floating about already with the possibility of an exception or 50. They are:
Casey openly admitted to Rob Dick that she was forced to be following a script. He is also expected to provide some insight as to what Casey was doing in Baez’s office for 7 hours a day under the auspice of preparing for her defense.
The defense team revealed openly they would be pointing the finger at Jesse Grund. They are in possession of a first birthday card Jesse wrote to Caylee that they plan to use as the foundation of such an allegation.
Casey made Tony Padilla dinner the evening he got there to post her bond in George and Cindy’s presence in the Anthony home. He found her demeanor to be completely inconsistent with that of a mother whose child was missing, and she never once mentioned Caylee. Outside of Casey’s presence Tony asked Cindy who Caylees’ father was. Cindy presented him an article from the May 7, 2007 fatal crash that claimed the life of Jesus Ortiz. Tony initiated meeting Casey because one of his concerns when posting bond for her, was that she might commit suicide. Following that meeting, he felt confident there was a zero percent chance that was a possibility.
Remember this line, you will hear it again, “When are you going to stop acting like a cop and start acting like a Dad!!!”.
George Anthony purchased the handgun minutes following the rumor that Casey was about to be arrested on the economic charges and her bond would be revoked. Baez told the Anthonys’ that he alerted the OCSO that if that were the case, he would agree to turn her in, and they were under the impression they would agree to that arrangement.
What Baez did not know, is that OCSO was aware of the building potential for violence between George and Casey in the Anthony home and there was a genuine concern for Tracy’s safety on behalf of Team Padilla in the Anthony home. George Anthonys’ friend from Trumball County Ohio, we will call him Trumball Jim, told George everything he needed to know about Caylee’s whereabouts was in her room down the hall, (indicating Casey in her bedroom). George had it out with Casey demanding she tell him what she knew, and Jim had to pull George and Casey apart. Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, arrived shortly thereafter and was met at the door by Jim, with that episode being recounted to him as the first interface he had with anyone in the Anthony camp in that home.
This prompted Leonard’s comments on Nancy Grace that they could revoke her bond for any reason at any time and they were considering it. The photo on the front page of this article comes from the press conference following the meeting between Leonard and Baez that ensued after Baez had previously refused to discuss the issue with Leonard until he threatened to pull out.
Casey Anthony was scheduled to be interviewed by ABC at the Anthony home the day after she was rearrested and her bond was revoked. This was the reason that the Padillas received countless calls from Cindy and Lee begging Tony Padilla not to revoke her bond. Had they not, she could have been released within the hour as Baez stated at the time.
Lastly, the agreement Baez presented in his motion is not the only agreement between the parties in this motion. There is at least one more variation in which Tony Padilla requested language changes specifically that he did not include in the motion.
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HLN reports tonight we will get document drop of 1500 pages tomorrow (thursday)
Midwest Mom- #325
“Marinade Dave” raises the point that the defense could make a challenge based on a potential violation of Casey’s constitutional rights.
The “argument of “be” vs “testify”– is not the route I would take.
However!
There are legally rational arguments which one could assert regarding the constitutionality of invoking the Florida statute in question in this instance.
For example, Casey/her counsel could certainly mount a proper challenge if they asserted that the invoking of this statute to bring the Fraud case before her Murder case violates “fundamental fairness” guaranteed to all defendants by the DUE PROCESS protections of the 5th AMENDMENT.
Due process is violated if the government’s unreasonable and unexplained DELAY in charging a defendant with a crime SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIRS a defendant’s ability to mount a defense. So, here there could be an argument that the government’s motion to proceed with the fraud case is “unreasonable” because it “substantially impairs” Casey’s ability to mount a defense to the murder case.
Other legally sound arguments could also be made. I’ll keep them to myself!
This case is a veritable treasure trove-or minefield– of legal issues, (depending on your pov), many of which may be novel, and hence, could carve out new law.
I am extremely hesitant to even begin to address many of the questions posed here.
While we may wish the “law” to provide “black and white” answers, as in providing a YES or NO answer to (what may appear to be)a simple question, the reality is that many of the issues raised in the posts here are far from easily answered/resolved.
It is wonderful to see people considering these issues though (vs. spending time playing guessing games about what Cindy may have discovered on July 3rd that sent her into FRANTIC mode ON THAT DATE as evidenced by the cell phone records/the “My Caylee is Missing” MySpace post/the dispatching of “deputy” Lee to go find her).
For some of your questions, all anyone can rightfully say in response is that we just cannot properly even begin to do anything other than BEGIN the analysis, and then, to speculate.
Well said, I would love to see you weigh in on the outstanding Bar investigations into Macaluso and Baez.
B
AFter leaving my comment about Dateline and ABC I realized from further reading that Dateline is an NBC show. So my theory about Dateline investigators is wrong from the ABC angle. But regardless, the competition between networks still gets into this. This case equals ratings and whichever network has the inside scoop will get the movie deal or whatever. Even if nothing is in writing, it is coming, we can bet on that.
http://www.wftv.com/news/20222332/detail.html
It says here that Lee was granted immunity. Yes???
Yes, I read that earlier, but I have seen no corroboration to that. Might explain the rift, though
B
#312 Blink,
I see Maura quoted the EPass records I was referring to, and her timelines are spot on. July 15 is one of those few dates we have enough discovery on at this point in time to see how events went down. I posted my own view on that date a couple of months ago:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3771249&postcount=84
JWG: HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!!!!!
On your timeline you have George picking up the certified letter at 12:40PM?? How are you arriving at that time? Nicole Lett has George at Johnson’s in the am, which would be before he picked up the certified letter under your timeline… Are you confirming my theory they knew about the car in the impound prior to 7/15??
Please do not dash my hopes my dear friend, lol
B
Blink, Thank you for your theory on that subject.
Off topic. Once a day, this site stalls for me, unusually after I post. Am I doing something wrong when I post. I could not see other posts till this morning.
330 Maura, thanks for the info. Does anyone know who she called?
What scares me is that through all this, which is heartbreaking, nothing has changed. Every single day, on the news, on the internet, another child is missing or dead. How did we get to this. When I was younger I remember that little children and elderly people were treasured and respected, now I find their is no respect for life anymore.
Oh, I’m not naive enough to think it wasn’t happening then, but it scares me for my grandchildren and my children. What went wrong!
Sorry, a little maudlin this morning, probably not enough java.
nope, they are moderated, you only see them until they are approved, when I am remote, I cant get on as much.
B
I have wanted to throw this theory out there:
I am wondering if it is George, not Cindy, who is prepared to throw himself under the bus.
In one of George’s interviews, the cop was pointing out that Casey would not do well in general population, and the path she was on (ie, lying and not cooperating with authorities)was certainly going to convict her. George reacts strongly to the word picture of Casey in general population. (He seems to see Casey as a little girl, not the cunning manipulator) George then proceeds to talk about how he would do anything, even give his life, to see this doesn’t happen.
It is after these first few police interviews that George changes.
It is possible that he made a conscious decision to lie and obfuscate and stop cooperating not only to muddy the waters re: Casey, but to draw suspicion to himself. I don’t think he cares if he is charged with perjury if it is enough to create reasonable doubt and get the jury to vote not guilty. Yes, he is sort of going along with Cindy and her agenda, and that is to keep peace in the home, but I wouldn’t put it past George to get on the witness stand and suddenly declare that he accidently killed Caylee and Casey helped him keep it from Cindy.
It is just that I see this as possibly something George would think would work, to create reasonable doubt. He knows he would never be charged with the murder, and I think he might be willing to do time for perjury if it set Casey free. His demeanor in the M&M deposition is one of the reasons I think this might be his attitude. He so deliberately and obviously lied about certain things, for instance, saying he had never heard the “Zanny knocked me down” story. In his eyes I see a direct challenge to the questioner. He is glaring and it looks to me as if he is saying with his body languagee “you and I both know I am lying, but I am daring you to do something about it.”
Cindy would never (IMO) do something like this. As crazy as she is, she is straightforward: the cops rushed to judgement, they are persecuting Casey and refusing to consider alternatives. Cindy is defending her chick and cannot and will not admit the obvious. If Cindy is thrown under the bus, I can’t see her going willingly. But it is Just My Humble Opinion that George would volunteer to be the patsy.
Some posters are commenting on what it was that casey (babbled) to tracy in the backyard about that could have been found with caylee as blink mentions in this article. It is speculation sure but not a game exactly. Seems to me that LP and his team actually have some good testimony which baez is hoping we won’t hear about.
I would totally go out of my way to avoid that area of Colonial Drive due to the fact of construction. It’s a mess there! I live off of Curry Ford. It would make ALL the sense in the world for her to travel Curry Ford to Semeron except…… the traffic is often unbearable on Semeron and IF she had to cross the street to get to her destination and there wasn’t a traffic light posted there, it could be damn near impossible- especially for a shaky driver.
Blink,
Like I said before, I stepped away from this case for awhile when did this happen??? where can I get more info on LEE and immunity????
http://www.wftv.com/news/20222332/detail.html
“At one point, there was concern that Lee Anthony may be charged with obstruction of justice because of contradicting statements he had given to sheriff’s investigators in the past. Now that Lee Anthony has been granted immunity he does not have to worry about that any longer.”
Thanks again Blink, I understand.
I have just read on WFTV that Lee Anthony has been granted immunity. Don’t know if it’s true or where they got the info. If true, what do you think this means to the case?
According to “mapquest” Gentiva is on the right so the only reason I could see for taking Colonial instead of Curry Ford to Semeron is the amount of lights you’d hit. But again, the heavy construction on that area of Colonial is enough to keep you away! Doesn’t make sense.
I think George is a loose canon in all this. If Baez goes after Cindy George may feel the need to defend and protect her and turn on Casey. I also can’t see the A’s doing anything to dry up the gravy train and even hinting they may be guilty will surely do that. Besides which we really don’t know how much control Baez has over the case anymore and I can’t see Lyon letting Baez trample all over her reputation especial with her book due out.
Dee/Joan
If you are subpoenaed in FL, you automatically get limited immunity.
What it will mean to the case depends on how honestly the witnesses will testify, regardless of the immunity.
Thanks…Westside…
that makes sense…I was thinking WTH that is news to me?
use immunity
:immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness’s compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
Hey I do have a legal question. Hypothetically, if casey confessed to cindy who told lee and lee told his friend who then told another friend, would that be ruled as hearsay if cindy didn’t cop to the confession?
I am not the “Legal Eagle” type, I am just a caring bystander supporting justice for those who are hurt especially when it comes to innocent children…
thanks again for the information and enlightening me!
To answer someone’s question from earlier about which case are the family members being questioned about I found this “Eyewitness News is following other new developments in the case against Casey Anthony. Casey’s brother, Lee Anthony, is being questioned under oath Thursday by prosecutors about his sister’s murder case.”
You can find the entire article here…http://www.wftv.com/news/20223813/detail.html
#364 Does that mean that Cindy and George were also granted that immunity. Also, if they have nothing to hide, why won’t they take the polygraph tests. (lightbulb) could it be because they know that they are lying.
#363 I agree that George is a loose cannon. Could it be that they changed his depo for next week because they needed time to calm him down and get his story straight. I still believe he will crack.
“#364 Does that mean that Cindy and George were also granted that immunity.”
Yes.
However, remember:
A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
“(lightbulb) could it be because they know that they are lying.”
As my grandmother used to say, ” they seem not to be handy with the truth”.
We had an immunity discussion on CSO months ago. As I understand it, there are three types of immunity:
“Limited use immunity” means the statements of the witness may not be used against the witness but any evidence uncovered as a result of investigating the statements may be used against the witness. This is the type of immunity Casey was offered in August. As part of the limited use immunity deal Casey was offered, she would have had to waive – in writing – any evidence obtained as a result of her statements to investigators.
“Use and derivative use immunity” means that neither the statements of the witness nor any evidence derived from investigating those statements may be used against the witness. However, should the prosecution acquire evidence substantiating the supposed crime — independent of the witness’s statements or investigation of the witness’s statements — the witness may then be prosecuted for same and additionally may be prosecuted for crimes that are unrelated to the subject matter for which the testimony was compelled but that were discovered in the course of the investigation.
“Transactional immunity” (known as “blanket” or “total” immunity) completely protects the witness from prosecution for crimes related to the subject matter of his or her testimony. However, it does not protect the witness from prosecution of other crimes uncovered as a result of testimony and investigation, “other crimes” meaning crimes not related to the original subject matter of the witness’s statements.
Defense lawyers on the talk shows (like Nancy Grace) have claimed that a subpoena issued by the Florida State Attorneys Office only confers limited use immunity, which means the witnesses’ words may not be used against them, but the witnesses are not protected from prosecution should those words lead to the discovery of evidence of a crime the witnesses participated in but did not admit to.
But as I read the statute, the immunity attached to a subpoena issued by the Florida SAO is broader (“no testimony so given or evidence so produced”) than simply limited use:
Chapter 914 WITNESSES; CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS
914.04
“Witnesses; person not excused from testifying or producing evidence in certain prosecutions on ground testimony might incriminate him or her; use of testimony given or evidence produced.–
No person who has been duly served with a subpoena or subpoena duces tecum shall be excused from attending and testifying or producing any book, paper, or other document before any court having felony trial jurisdiction, grand jury, or state attorney upon investigation, proceeding, or trial for a violation of any of the criminal statutes of this state upon the ground or for the reason that the testimony or evidence, documentary or otherwise, required of the person may tend to convict him or her of a crime or to subject him or her to a penalty or forfeiture, but no testimony so given or evidence so produced shall be received against the person upon any criminal investigation or proceeding. Such testimony or evidence, however, may be received against the person upon any criminal investigation or proceeding for perjury committed while giving such testimony or producing such evidence or for any perjury subsequently committed.”
Ten days after Casey’s arrest in July, Baez said she would not talk to LE without a discussion of immunity. Baez clearly wanted full, transactional immunity for Casey. SA Linda Drane Burdick sent him an email offering use immunity. She made it clear to Baez that as part of the immunity deal, Casey Anthony would have to waive – in writing – any evidence obtained as a result of her statements to investigators.
Casey’s true and honest words to investigators (following acceptance of use immunity) could not have been used against her. If she told LE that Caylee died accidentally after wandering out to the pool and admitted to covering up the crime, she could not be prosecuted for the cover-up or for negligence leading to Caylee’s death if the remains confirmed an accidental death by pool drowning. But if the ME discovered evidence of drugging in Caylee’s tissues or evidence of antemortem violence, the drugging and trauma evidence could have been used against Casey. Baez asked for an extension of the original deadline (Burdick granted an extension through September 2), but Casey didn’t take the use immunity offer.
Witness statements to LE are not immunized at all, so back in December, Brad Conway said he would not allow George and Cindy to speak to LE unless the SAO offered immunity; Conway said it is his job as their legal counsel to obtain full protection for his clients even if he doesn’t believe they are guilty of any criminal activity. My interpretation of his statements is that he was requesting full, transactional immunity.
On December 30, Conway said he was unwilling to allow George and Cindy to be interviewed unless they are granted immunity. He told Fox News, “Knowing the Sheriff’s Office will want to speak to them again, it’s my job to make sure they’re protected fully.”
On January 9, Conway appeared on The Today Show and was asked why he was seeking immunity for them. “For me to allow my clients to go into a room with the FBI and the Orange County Sheriff’s Office without protections that ensure that they can say what they need to say without worrying about further ramifications would be incompetence on my part, and I’m not going to do that,” Conway said.
On January 26, Lee’s attorney, Thomas Luka, said the fact that Lee Anthony had not received a subpoena to testify could signal that the state may be looking to file charges against him. Luka also requested full immunity for his client. Luka said that if Lee were subpoenaed, anything he said at a hearing could not be used against him in subsequent criminal charges.
So I’m still confused about whether the SAO subpoena confers “use and derivative use” immunity or “full, transactional” immunity. Conway and Luka wanted an offer of full immunity before allowing their clients to speak (without subpoena) to prosecutors and LE. And I can’t tell if both lawyers were satisfied by the issuing of subpoenas for the current depositions (if the got all the immunity they wanted via the subpoena) or if Lee got an offer of immunity from the SAO that was separate from the immunity attached to the subpoena.
Also, the immunity offer only holds when the witness offers truthful testimony. If an immunized witness lies under oath, the perjury would be liable to prosecution. But I don’t know if perjury on one question would nullify the entire immunity agreement relative to the rest of the testimony. For instance, say a witness is offered use and derivative use immunity and gives truthful testimony regarding an incident in which he or she was criminally involved. The immunity would protect the witness from prosecution for that incident. But say that witness then lies under oath about a separate issue. Does the lie mean that the immunity is completely gone and he or she can be charged in the criminal incident or is the witness still protected for that incident but prosecutable for the perjury on the separate issue?
Im with you, I know Luka is giving a statement after the depo, perhaps we will learn then
B
Mariann, thanks for the Orlando traffic report!
Hi Blink: Re: 233
I have always thought that G. strongly suspected that Caylee was dead when he first smelled the decomp.(Cindy too) That’s when Cindy washed the slacks, gave wrong hairbrush etc…Perhaps I’m wrong; but on “some level” I think they knew. BOTH had smelled decomp before…they recognized what it was. That’s when they went into “over drive” to save Casey. Please correct me if I am wrong…they had to know darn well it wasn’t pizza or squirels.
Also, you mentioned that you were working on two new cases. Will you include them on BLINKONCRIME?
Yes, among other places, MMMMUUUUUHHAAA.
B
“Such testimony or evidence, however, may be received against the person upon any criminal investigation or proceeding for perjury committed while giving such testimony or producing such evidence or for any perjury subsequently committed.”
I’m no expert, but it sounds like if you perjure yourself, you lose immunity in totality. Maybe Lee was given more than limited immunity? I hope that he comes clean.
Blink, how is it that the defense is now pointing to Jesse Grund as the possible kidnapper/murderer/liar, when this whole time up until now it was always “the nanny” did it, the nanny took Caylee from Jay Blanchard park, the “nanny” gave Casey a list of instructions? Casey even signed (falsely) an affidavit claiming it was “the nanny”! How can Baez all of a sudden branch off and Casey and her “dream team” have no problem pointing the finger at Jesse?!? Please tell me they won’t be successful, and at best, hopefully they get chastized for their blatant disregard for decent people like Jesse
They wont and they wont be successful.
B
Also, why did Lee get immunity? There’s nothing stopping him from lying now
I have lived in Or-lawn-do for 30 years. Even without the construction going on now, locals avoid East Colonial like the plague.
Nope I just don’t think baez will go for jesse as the killer he will just try to discredit him, not with the anthonys and their behaviors.I smell a baez/anthony defense strategy double double cross.
concerning the website look-ups, “how to make chloraform”, “household weapons”, “neckbreaking”, “missing children”, her ridiculous diary claiming she hoped her decision was the right one, that her new “friends” were making her happy, and that “hoping the end justified the means”, what are they going to do, claim Jesse wrote that it her diary, broke into the house, and set her up by looking those search terms into her computer? Blink, please tell me no rational juror or judge will even consider that a possibility?!?
#355 Blink
Well, I cannot say for certain when the letter was picked up as I have not seen the receipt from the post office in any of the discovery. I based my *assumption* on the time George first placed a call to Cindy that day, which was 12:42 PM. I would have thought that upon discovering via the letter that the car was at a tow yard, he would have immediately called Cindy.
I had overlooked adding in the double visit to Johnson’s by George that day. So, another likely scenario is George got the letter late in the AM, saw what it was about, said “WTF???” to himself, drove home and got the registration paperwork, then drove down to Johnson’s w/o Cindy to find out what the deal was with the car. He did not have the cash to bail the car out, and he probably realized at that point as well that he needed help getting the car home. That is when the first call to Cindy took place.
I truly do not believe George knew about the car being at Johnson’s until he read the certified letter. Nicole did offer that Cindy commented she thought the car was up in the panhandle, and that both George and Cindy acted concerned as to why the car was there.
Agreed as to the possibility, that is my “B” scenario as well. But here’s the thing, in Simon’s Burch’s interview, AND Georges’- he states that he had JUST located his daughter who had been missing (parapharasing) for a month, but hasnt found his grandduaghter. So WHEN did he locate Casey that morning? What is he referring to? As you correctly state they reference the car being in the Panhandle, but at not time do they say that it had just been repaired how did it get there, blah blah. He simply shows up with gas cans. Who told him it was out of gas?
B
JWG and Blink, re 381– the LE interview of George talking about picking up the car at Johnson’s, getting inside and about to put the key in and start the car, he says to himself ‘no… this isn’t right…’ and he gets out, asks the attendant to come around to the trunk with him as he says under his breath, he hoped it wasn’t his daughter or granddaughter in there. I just checked the released transcript and see it’s FBI, not the early LE interview so not the one I am thinking about for this comment by George.
If George had already found Casey, why would he mention a fear of his thoughts of finding his daughter or granddaughter in the trunk? (am I wrong in my recollection?– could be, will have to double check the video, but am sure I remember the remark that involved both daughter and granddaughter.) Interesting if this is a clear inconsistency in George’s early police interview (pre-timeline one). That would mean he knew that Caylee was missing many hours at least, before the version from the night of the 15th came out. (and he did not report the missing baby then, nor ever)
“AND Georges’- he states that he had JUST located his daughter who had been missing So WHEN did he locate Casey that morning? What is he referring to?”
Interesting, very interesting. That went over my head in round 1. Unless he is referring to the fact that Lee found her in and around Orlando and not in Jacksonville, prior to the car being located. That wouldn’t make any sense though. Was there any texting to George from Casey right before this? She did tell Tony, when he picked her up at the Amscott, that her father was going to take care of it. I just assumed it was a lie, for obvious reasons.
Blink, just wondering. During Cindy’s depo, could they ask her to explain her myspace post from July 3, 2008? The following:
“She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?”
Blink that press conference the anthony’s were going to hold 11/08 the one they cancelled afer MN quit, was that going to be a public finger pointing conference do you know? I can assume that press conf was the final straw for MN.
IIRC, that conference was announced when Mark was away without his knowledge, and upon hearing of it, he resigned.
B
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf, #381, i STARTED with part 18 ,right after reading the above posts on the tow letter the epass ,the work frame, and i cant even go on, the lies are so overwhelming it sickens me ,and casey dragging so many peoples first names last names personal things involving them in this horrible mess,i just feel like its chinese finger torture.but to put my finger on it and point out the glaring lie,whats up, i cant read anymore lies right now,with george having to be at work at 2;00 that day? and he didnt bother to get going,until?and jwg he didnt hit the toll till 2.29,and theres about 5 other inconsistencies & there’s a big one ,but i have to break from theses lies for awhile,
#381 Blink
After George called Cindy at 12:45 (on the Gentiva number…he had tried a couple minutes earlier on her cell but she did not pick up), Cindy called KC. She left a VM, and KC returned the message just before 1PM. This call lasted about 4 minutes, and no doubt this is when KC told Cindy the car ran out of gas. After they hung up, Cindy and George exchanged several quick calls, and no doubt it is in one of those calls she informed George the care was out of gas.
I see in reviewing the Anthony home and cell records my timeline needs a little tweaking, but in general it is clear George called Cindy, Cindy called KC and left a VM, KC called Cindy, and Cindy called George – all in a span of 20 minutes.
blink, george says (in a past interview)casey told jesse she was out of gas, amy, tony i GUESS she told me . does george have two cell phones ? he is calling cindy from johnsons, he tells le that he called amscot to find that the car had been there three days from his COMPANY phone. isit the same phone?
yes, but he had not spoken to any of them by then
B
Blink- RE: Your response to my Post #328.
The actual Murder Trial, not Ecomonic….Good sign Depos being taken now—still a chance for Fall or would that more likely put it to AFTER the Holidays and early 2010 sometime (Jan-March ) ???
Appreciate your vast knowledge, your great bloggers and all the time you put in to this. Thank you =)
NG From Boston
“No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?”
Hey Boz,
Doesn’t this kind of translate into: a) I know you don’t have a job,you never have money and b) there is no nanny, or at least I never met her and I can’t call and check up on my grandchild, because I don’t have a contact number? I DON”T THINK THAT YOU ARE (or would be) WATCHING OUT FOR THE ANGEL, in other words.
367 BOO
I would think that it would be considered as hearsay! because they didnt hear it from the horses mouth but by means of the messenger.
Just my opinion.
Kleat,
I have read more than once that Bozo (oops)and Conway worked together for the public defenders office years ago.
I also am concerned how JB was allowed in these depositions as his client is not there? I am surprised that this is allowed? He is not the Anthony attorneys and I don’t understand why he is there?
He can get the transcripts like anyone else, how does he legally get to be there? Please someone explain this to me?////
Could this be an appeal reason? if KC wants to say she was not there and why was her attorney?
In the rule of the legal profession, is Baez allowed to speak to the Anthony’s (Mr. Conway’s clients) without going through Conway? That would not be allowed here, where a represented person can not be contacted or spoken to, by lawyers who know that person is represented. Baez is holding his position close to the Anthony’s, going to lunch, buddy-buddy like and maybe Cindy and George (and Lee) contact him directly with Conway’s blessing?
I’ve gone wrong again. I read the same pdf as Susanm (386) and thinking of 381 and 382. Confused as it was certified June 29/09 by Melich. It was so clearly pretty early on. First page missing. Then I read the posts and remembered the interviewers initials were SB. Which fit as George mentioned more than once that he wanted them on it and it took so many days for it to happen. And the material seemed so familiar.
So does Melich certify everything for release and are they rereleasing interviews? I’m thinking I’m cross-contaminating.
Many thanks again.
PS Also all the id being missing. Now how could I have missed that. Bloody hell I must not be reading very well.
Another big question to me. Know it has been hashed and rehased. Annie Downing. Still haven’t finished her LE interview. What could possibly induce a young woman who is more than presentable, gained a degree and has everything before her. Parents who lawyered her up early on. What could possibly induce AD and her lawyer to risk her entire future on a mis-truth for Casey?
Kleat – seeming sidetrack but possible consideration. Remember the Squamish case? Neighbour who happens to be lawyer goes in to next door house of friends to check out NY party of kids. Ends up dead. No one talked. For years in a very small community it remained unresolved because of code (and results) of silence. It did end up with a resolution but many years later after a very convoluted process of convincing eveyrone to put it in the past, fess up and move forward.
Westsidehudson,
I guess that’s why George and Cindy are acting like they are. If they admitt how terrible they are as humans for not looking after this little baby, they would have to whack themselves. Their ignorance is beyond belief. Now they are living off money they are getting because of this little baby’s death. Now they are blaming innocent people for this little baby’s death. Are they from the planet HELL or what?
#386. I asked myself why would casey ask to borrow gas cans if she had already stolen the gas cans from the anthony shed? Because she did not have them anymore? Hmmmm
The interview transcripts just released are for interviews that took place last summer. The videotapes of those FBI interviews were released on November 21, but the transcripts were only released yesterday.
SB = Scott Bolin, FBI agent
Also released was the August 1 portion of Cindy’s OCSO “timeline” interview. That videotape had also been released months ago, but not the transcript. Oddly, the second half of Cindy’s “timeline” interview took place on August 4, and that transcript was released last November 9.
In one of the discovery sets I downloaded, the .pdf file starts off with Cindy’s July 30 FBI interview, but on page 52, the August 1 OCSO interview transcript begins. This particular document only contains the last part of the FBI interview and the first part of the OCSO interview; the rest of those interviews are on separate .pdf files. But every media outlet posted the new discovery in different material groupings, so what I have may not be what someone else has.
Blink, George and Cindy knew Casey was desperate enough for gas that she broke into George’s shed on June 23 and stole his gas cans. Since George and Cindy knew from the letter that the car had been towed on June 30 (only one week after Casey stole George’s gas), why would it be a mystery for (as George testified) Cindy to tell George to grab the gas cans in case the Pontiac had an empty tank?
Ahhh Blink, you crack me up Woman!
Do you suppose that Judge Stan and company have finished passing around the Baez “cocktail napkin” motion and yucking it up over at the water cooler yet? (Your writing style provokes the greatest visuals!)
Yesterdays document dump did offer me the opportunity to “READ” Cindy’s interview with Yuri and EE, as opposed to suffering through the video. One new tidbit that I caught relating to July 3rd…
While Cindy is at Universal attempting to see KC and Caylee, good ol’ gal pal Juliet Lewis goes to the Anthony home and picks up KC clothing and CAYLEE’S FAVORITE TEDDY BEAR.
Yuri has just had a very adamant discussion with Cindy that none of these people exist and Cindy says that?
mmmkay….there is one item, affirmed, to go missing from Casa de Anthony on July 3rd. Prolly has nothing to do with what Team Padilla has learned, but interesting to me, so I thought I’d share!
Have a safe trip home <3