Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released – Lee Anthony Granted Immunity?
Orlando, Florida– Over 1500 pages of New Discovery have been released by the State’s Attorney’s Office in the Case against Casey Anthony for the murder of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
A source speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com, believes almost half of the information contained in the reports relates to Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiancee’.
SOURCE LINKS TO DOCUMENTS (11:05AM):
http://www.wesh.com/news/20224026/detail.html
Parts 1–18 at above link
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates and source links as they become available.
WFTV is reporting the Lee Anthony has been granted immunity prior to his deposition by the State’s Attorney’s office this morning. Blinkoncrime has not been able to corroborate this report at the time of this posting. Lee is also facing a motion to compel his testimony in the civil case against his sister, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez through her attorney John Morgan.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
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westsidehudson-
My sincerest apologies if the end of my last post was taken as critical of anything you shared. I was responding to what I thought you were clearly asserting, and was highlighting your post to point out how obviously we agree.
SORRY!
Kleat…. I agree I think ABC has already paid for interview with Casey….How sick is this family…Anything for money
HAVING SAID THAT–
Maura- #180
Being angry with a detective is not a legally justifiable “excuse” to a proper charge of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
In fact, what you offer as an excuse as to why Cindy turned over the WRONG HAIR BRUSH may make sense on a layperson level, but there is no way an attorney representing Cindy would ever suggest that as a reason/defense to what she did.
Think about what you are suggesting is proper/legal behavior.
What you are suggesting is tantamount to saying, HEY… Cindy was free to disregard a direct request from the police (because of some other event in the past).
Here is the deal.
LE requested her to provide X. She could easily have walked a few feet further in her own home an provided LE with X.
But what did she actually do???
Not only did she (intentionally) fail/refuse to provide them with X, she provided them with Y, under the GUISE that Y was actuall X.
THIS SHOULD BE AN OUTRAGE, not a minor incident for some easy excuse.
If the neighbor was a suspect in the MURDER of little Caylee, would you so easily dismiss such flagrantly OBSTRUCTIVE actions?????!!
OK. Maura- here we go, and I can easily imagine that you and I will just have to agree to disagree again.
Maybe I’m just too simple but I prefer to think the truth is usually staring us right in the face. Some of these ‘tangents’ are difficult to follow to a logical conclusion – and IMO – give way more credit to the Anthony’s – especially Casey and Cindy than they deserve. I don’t know – I’m just sayin’ . . .
I think Cindy’s ego was bruised by the ‘in your face’ logic that LE was forcing upon her as far as her daughter being a LIAR and a MURDERER and she just chose small ways to defy their efforts – like a child would do. They were not well thought out and in the end – just plain silly. The umbilical cord was a very personal and special part of Caylee that they did not want to part with.
And I’m having a hard time believing that ABC News was ‘bought’ by the Anthony’s. They are surviving – but they are not living the ‘good’ life by any means. They do not have that kind of disposable income…do they? Somebody please pull me back in!
In theory, your correct. Occam’s razor is always my first response. However, these people were paid and put up by ABC, that is indisputable. They are paying Casey’s defense, directly to Casey, which is her legal right as she has not been convicted of a crime. The ethical burden has become ours, refer to my piece where Cindy openly admits that Michelle Bart has been put on the payroll by ABC. The contract direct to Casey by Dominic Casey when the trust was closed is because they realized they could not longer funnel funds through it that are not subject to public disclosure. Everything we want to know is contained in July 29, July 30 and July 31st transactions of the original trust account, so your right, it is that simple.
B
To those who post or simply read here, who have lost children, my heart goes out to you. I don’t have children, but I do have pets, and while I’m not equating the two, I know the near devastation losing a beloved pet can bring. I give parents who’ve had to bury a child enormous credit for the strength they show just in getting up in the morning and putting one foot in front of the other.
With that said, I would also like to say it concerns me when people take things said in this forum and others personally — especially criticism of the Anthonys.
It also concerns me to read that “we” would have no idea how we would respond if we found ourselves in a similar circumstance. I must heartily disagree with this statement. I am not a liar, and my personal integrity is who I am. I know for a FACT, faced with a similar situation, I WOULD NOT LIE.
Since one of the reasons I enjoy reading here is the discussion of facts, discovery, theories, etc., with much less of the nonsense found on other sites, I don’t want to go too far off that beaten path with a speculative discussion of the Anthonys. However, I do feel it’s important to point out that neither Casey nor her parents became the people we see today on the day Caylee “disappeared.”
This family was clearly no role model of healthy functioning long before little Caylee came along. None of us can know the true extent of their immorality or sickness, however, it would seem from all we’ve learned so far, they took not a single productive step with regard to their lack of parenting skills, or the growing problem with their daughter.
Having compassion for this family is honorable, however, it should not take the place of an understanding of how they CAME TO BE … because after all, a 2 year-old was sacrificed in part because this family CHOSE to remain who they became, homicidal warts and all.
George & Cindy’s loss, while overwhelming, should not cause anyone concerned about future Caylee Anthonys to absolve them of their considerable responsibility for where they find themselves today.
Jan- fair feedback, but I believe Macks Mom was speaking to the “grieving” side of the conversation, not the lying and betrayal of their grandaughters memory, she is not giving a pass for that.
To your point, I would like to steer the convo back to the topic and away from non-productive bashing of any kind. One thing I find I remind myself is that Caylee deserves my energy, the Anthony’s do not.
B
#199 KTINA. I believe geo ran into casey o n6/27 when she stopped by the house, she took some frozen food while she was there, which Tony L talks about in his interview with LE when he picked casey up at amscot after she ditched the car there on 6/27. I believe geo became concerned and followed casey, he must have seen her ditch the car at amscot 6/27. Even cindy can’t or won’t verify the 6/24 date for ole geo. My belief is that geo lied about the date to disassociate casey as the person who ditched the car at amscot.
#199 KTINA oh and possibly to get his freakin gas cans back.
Tom Luka stepping down, no longer needed, Lee has answered all questions– has Lee forgotten about the two questions that are in a pending motion to compel dated March 11, 2009 in the Mn’M civil case on behalf of ZG?
Or, are they assuming that his deposition would ONLY occur AFTER Cindy’s motion to compel, perhaps George’s too, are successful? Does Lee know that his parents would continue to pull the wool over the system and Judge Rodriguez and that Lee will never actually have to answer his questions?
The motion to compel has not been withdrawn and it remains on the http://www.forthepeople.com site.
I am of the opinion Lee’s funding ran out, or he fired Luka and plans to retain seperate counsel. I am also of the opinion that Casey’s counter suit against ZG will be dropped before any of the A’s are compelled to testify and the judge will then postpone the civil trial until after the criminal trial, imo.
B
I tell you what: many of you posters are absolutly brilliant.
That casey will pay for her crimes is 99.99% certain, but I’m of the opinion that Cindy and George should pay for their crimes also. ( I don’t know anout Lee) I have high hopes that spindy cindy’s 13 hours of depo might be the basic groundwork for future presecution. Of course … it’s also possible that spindy only answered 3 questions and it took 13 hours to get even that out of her. I saw her other depo; she can talk in circles and keep you defining and refining every word of your question and the exact data in the answer you expect till you just wanna walk away and give up.
Lol, I was raised not to take any joy in someone else’s pain, regardless of what kind of person they are; it is not my place. However, I would be lying if I did not say I will not lose any sleep at the irony that the arrogance of George and Cindy Anthony will undoubtedly be a part of the linchpin that sends their daughter to death row in their efforts to stop it. I do not believe Casey’s psyche allows her to feel one ounce of contrition for this baby, only sorrow for the loss of her own freedom. In that sense I am reminded that the reality is, there is never going to be true justice for Caylee; she is dead at the hands of her Mother and nothing will ever change that.
B
KTINA,
I am also curious about why would George even bring this up?, especially if it another lie to remember?> it only points a finger at his daughter( in a backwards sort of way). It also looks like George is the ONLY one protecting Cindy for some reason?
I am so tired of the ANTHONYS and their antics and I feel that they have all made a HUGE mistake of not having a speedy trial in thie case before they found the body? hehe It would have been over by now and they could have got her off on an accident theory a lot better than now.. I just dont get these people at all.. what were they thinkin?
I wonder if spimdy chewed a big wad of gum with her mouth wide open like she did in the morgan depo. Yano, psyh warfare … just to anoy the questioners….
Felicity- Unfortunately, I do not believe that justice can never really be served for Caylee. Retribution can occur, which isn’t a bad thing, but it’s different than justice (in the deepest sense of the word). Her murderer will likely be held accountable. Her grandparents lives have been destroyed, by their daughters actions, their lies, and the public they will have to face for the rest of their lives.
I think that your definition of justice is starkly different from mine, and from any bereaved parent I’ve ever had contact with (hundreds).
As for the comments I made, they really should not be dissected out of context, as they lose their meaning. The meaning of my statement was that objectification of a child one has never met, then proceeding to slaughter the grandparents who raised her and loved her, taking pot shots, and making fun of the way they grieve, is despicable. It is intereting that close with the comment JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED FOR CAYLEE. Do you think that making fun of how a person grieves over their dead grandchild is just? I think it’s pathetic and despicable. Including references to funereal jewelry.
As for your comment, responding out of context concerning angels, people never become angels, according to the bible. Angels are angels, and humans are humans. Different species. It’s like saying that people become dogs when they die. I do not mean to be disrespectful of some eastern cultures, in which, that may be something to consider. Depending on one’s karma, one might return to the next life in another form. In that same tradition, one would expect that Caylee did ascend up the chain, closer to Divinity, if she was reincarnated. (Not a position I opine, rather, a reflection on another cultural perspective.) I did not intend to imply that anyone actually thought Caylee became an angel (though maybe some did). My comment actually pertained to objectification. The use of descriptives rather than names, in order to distance oneself from the reality and humanity of another. Caylee Marie Anthony was a toddler, 34 mos old, she lived with her grandma, grandpa, and mother. She liked swimming in the pool, she liked Disney movies, she loved her great-grandparents, she was friendly to people. She was real, and she was the grandchild of George and Cindy Anthony, who cared for her on a regular basis. Her grandparents provided everything for her. Her mother was in and out (emotionally and otherwise). From all the videos, comments from family and friends, Caylee was loved and well taken care of (until her mother ripped her away from her grandparents, self-admittedly out of spite, and murdered her). My comment was to humanize her, and also her grandparents.
I do not believe that Caylee’s grandparents failed her prior to her death, but I do believe that they dishonor their relationship with her, and her memory, with their behavior since her death. Caylee’s grandparents have destroyed their lives in a knee-jerk response to try to save their apparently guilty daughter. Blink’s comment upthread about restoration of the respect of that relationship is accurate and eloquent (though I just poorly paraphrased it).
There was another little sanctimonious jab directed at me regarding most of the people posting here wanting justice for Caylee.
You know what, pal? You think that justice for Caylee would be the destruction of the people she loved the most? I’m no Casey sympathizer. I would be the first one to volunteer to give the lethal injection. I want justice for Caylee, and for all of the other children who have died. I have become all to aware that there is no justice for them, in that their lives were cut short at the hands of others, and that no amount of punishing those responsible will make things just.
Kleat, I read upthread where you were concerned about not having realized the umbilical cord issue. Hey… how would you know? It could have been a child-harness. Maybe they use that term umbilical for them…the Joan Lunden thing…kindercord, for example. Mebbe I am mistaken, and they meant child-harness. If I am, and the comments upthread were about a child-harness…whoops, pardon me. Don’t be too self-critical. Your posts are very detailed, and have proven very accurate.
Like I said before, may each and every person responsible for the murder of Caylee Anthony be revealed, convicted, die in jail, and burn in hell. It’s not justice, in the pure sense of the word. There is nothing just about toddlers being murdered, and even the destruction of their murders falls short of justice.
Blink
As the media including ABC demands full disclosure from the courts in the public’s right to know should ABC not do the same. Why have they not come forward and cleared up their dealings with the A’s like what kind of deal they made, who got paid how much they got paid and any involvement Baez had in brokering this deal. If Baez brokered the deal then lied about it to the court are they not responsible to come forward with the truth? Do the viewers not have a right to know?
kleat, you could be right about the umbilical cord, but I think there is a tendency for us righteous citizens to assign sinister motives to everything the ants do. We like to turn them into monsters and master criminals when in fact, they are just fellow flawed humans in a really nasty and tragic situation we can all pray we never find ourselves in. So I always like to think more broadly about motives, like well MAYBE she didn’t give over the umbilical cord because she wanted to hamper the ID of a body, or MAYBE she didn’t want to give it up because it had sentimental value and didn’t want it to end up in some evidence locker somewhere forever more (like if caylee were never found, and it would be a last little piece of her). The truth may lie somewhere inbetween, or be something else entirely. Only cindy knows and she ain’t tellin’.
And i am thinking that i doubt the state will ever charge them with obstruction unless they somehow blow the trial, esp. if it is due to something they feel the ants caused—then i can see them lashing out at the ants. but i dunno—is that even feasible?
As for the media, deary dear, sadly they are in it for ratings and moolah, not truthiness (and if you have ever dealt with the media for even a short while you’ll know how lazy they are and how often they get solid facts dead wrong. amazing. After that you learn to take all reporting with a grain of salt, tho i confess that I forget that lesson all the time when i see things written in black and white.)
As for the umbilical cord and hair straightener and godnoze what, I am confused—aren’t the ants living in that house, which is not all roped off with POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS tape, and didn’t LE already have lots of bites at the apple to gather stuff before cindy gave anything to baez? It seems silly to me to say they are not allowed to remove any of their stuff from their own house. I doubt baez could use anything as evidence anyway cuz where’s the chain of custody? how was it collected? etc.
Many questions for the fine legal minds out there.
I just know that i love this case, where everything is so bizarre and ripe for speculation! Love all the great theories (both wild and sensible) and info on this site, and all the nice posters who put so much effort into it.
Regarding the First Birthday card from Jesse to Caylee, this reference is from the Nancy Grace show, September 26, 2008, with JVM hosting, There is a comment from LPadilla:
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: She — she normally, and if you look at the GPS tracking and the longitudes and latitudes, there were times when she was just here and there.
But let me bring up something that you threw in there. When I first went back to Orlando, Jose Baez (ph), the attorney, showed me a card from Jesse, a very loving card sent to Caylee and Casey on Caylee`s first birthday. He wanted me to interpret that as a possibility that this gentleman, Jesse, loved that child so much that he would steal her. There was also a situation where a lot of people don`t understand this. Jesse was given a lie detector test by the FBI for six hours, and passed every bit of it. You can check with his father on that, or Jesse. The thing about it is that, you know, Casey has people throwing everybody under the bus in Orlando in order to save her own skin. There was also, after her own father attacked her in the home, trying to find out where the granddaughter was the very first day she was home, there was a letter, a card, sent to her that the attorney had, saying daughter, I love you very much, I will stand behind you.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/26/ng.01.html
I don’t remember hearing about another letter/card sent to her (Casey?) that the attorney (Baez?) had from WHO? Jesse to Caylee? George to Casey?
I don’t think that Jesse had anything to do with little Caylee’s death, nor any cover up afterwards. It really makes me angry that his life has been put out there on the internet forever, and I don’t even know the guy. I feel so sorry for anyone who came into contact with Casey, because they all will be trashed in this fiasco.
It is one thing for George, Cindy and Lee to stand behind Casey, “no matter what”, but to try to shift the blame and to ruin innocent people’s lives in the process, this is inexcusable!
Maura-
I neglected to state that a) you are probably right that Cindy will not face obstruction of justice charges, and b) you did an excellent job of making arguments for her to use in the event we are wrong and she does face charges re: the brush.
Boo-
LOLOL! YES, MY FINGERS ARE GETTING VERY TIRED! (as apparently is my brain;)
I concur. Add to that their is no incentive to the State in the first place as they need them as witnesses. In my personal opinion, if there ever is any grounds for such charges, it will come from the “Caylee live sightings” if they were manufactured and originated by them. That however, would seem water over the bridge at this point.
B
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-deposition-080309,0,3844902.story
Blink, “I am reminded that the reality is, there is never going to be true justice for Caylee; she is dead at the hands of her Mother and nothing will ever change that.”
That is the reality of Caylee’s life and death. There is no such thing as closure, only acceptance of the unacceptable. We have no choice. There’s no going back, no changing history.
There could be lessons learned, wisdom gained, mistakes identified, so this heinous crime is not repeated. That requires courage from Caylee’s loved ones. Courage they don’t appear to possess.
Disgusting.
202 silverspnr
We are not going to have to agree to disagree because you completely misread my comment. Moreover, a reason is not the same as an excuse, let alone a legal justification.
I never suggested that Cindy’s anger at Yuri Melich would be a legal excuse for not getting the Caylee-only hairbrush. I said that is the reason in my opinion for why she gave Melich the Casey/Caylee hairbrush instead of crossing the house to get the Caylee-only hairbrush. I do not believe as you suggested (comment 161) and Blink stated (comment 159) upthread that the reason Cindy gave Melich the Casey/Caylee hairbrush instead of the Caylee-only is because Cindy believed Caylee was dead. I rejected that opinion as an explanation of Cindy’s actions and gave my own opinion (her anger at Melich) as the reason for her action.
From what Melich wrote in his investigative report, he asked for those specific items (Caylee’s toothbrush and oral thermometer as well as a brush and comb used on Caylee’s hair) in the event that they needed to run a DNA profile for evidence comparison. Cindy gave OCSO those items. She more than covered herself on the DNA by handing over at least two toothbrushes and the oral thermometer, so I cannot see any basis for believing Cindy’s was withholding DNA samples because she believed Caylee was dead.
I do believe the hairbrush was used for both Casey and Caylee because Cindy took the items from the bathroom shared by Casey and Caylee. And if Cindy told Melich that the brush was used by both Casey and Caylee, then she is legally completely covered.
Comment numbers just changed. I was referring in my last comment to Silver 203.
Maura,
Giving the less than best brush (not Caylee’s only), keeping what might be Caylee’s umbilical cord away from investigators (Melich or not, FBI or not– she was P’d at all of them for lying to her, for putting her on video, for not letting her get the corroboration of her last date at Mt. Dora with her dad and Caylee), adds up to non-cooperation, and that is the excuse for non-cooperation.
Fact is, she was not giving investigators what they most needed, or was best to use in the identification of a body and to that end, she appears to not want a found body identified easily or quickly, or if needed, in a way that she is able to dispute in court as maybe not the right child. (rumours of that now out there, the Cindy machine may still be sputtering and spewing a bit from time to time).
How many parents of missing children would withhold the best examples of that child’s hair so that identification would be fast, not going through several testings and comparisons of other people’s hair in the same source? How many parents of missing children, would withhold a pure source such as an umbilical cord (if this is Caylee’s birth cord and not some ‘leash’) so that it does not get taken in a search warrant but give it to the lawyer for the suspect that hasn’t even been charged at that point in the disappearance?
Cindy’s actions are going to be so transparent to a jury, of ‘why’ Cindy did this– that is, ‘the important’ WHY.
For me- the Garrison email put it in context simply- she was not going to help OCSO once they were not buying what she was selling. One of the hardest interviews to watch for me was when she was with Yuri Melich, and he is holding her hand, trying to get through to her. She takes his hand back only in times where she is trying to convince him of something he knows is false. Made me wonder how she felt she could hoodwink folks of this caliber in the first place.
B
Renee, what is that link about– did I miss a post?
slvrspnr:
No need for regrets. I was just clarifying my posts.
Kleat:
From what I was able to glean from various news sources, the reason that the Baez evidence was logged into OSCO’s reports at a later date was that the FBI had the items first. They must have completed extensive testing on them between December ’08 and March ’09. I doubt that we will ever see those FBI reports. I still would like too peruse the reports of collection , by the defense, to see the date and what specific tests were performed.
Maura:
I posted this a few days back. No one can know if Cindy was absolutely convinced that Caylee was dead. But if you believe in Freudian slips, it makes you go”hmm”. This comment was made a couple of weeks after she turned over the brush, but also before any definitive rests (air sample/mitochondrial DNA testing of hair) were revealed :
“The other thing is why would you run out of gas and not have someone just buy you a gallon of gas or two of gas until you can get to gas station and fill up. It doesn’t make sense. Especially if the car had ALL THIS EVIDENCE that’s gonna link her to Caylee’s DEATH. …..” July 30th, Cindy Anthony. Test results were leaked from the Body Farm on August 27th, remains were located December 11th, and positively identified as Caylee’s December 19th.
August 27, 2008-Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, said he knew nothing about this new information.
{quote}I have not been given any information about the University of Tennessee or the Body Farm or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays,” Baez said. “I don’t even know if they have any evidence.(unquote}
In my opinion, this is strong evidence that Cindy suspects, or knows , that Caylee is dead by the end of July. I still have some compassion left for the Anthonys. I believe that they are suffering from complicated/traumatic grief. I just take issue with the ‘theater of the absurd” theories that they have thrown out.
CORRECTIONS TO POST # 223:
like to, not “too”
definitive tests, not “rests”
I am writing too fast today. 3 power surges already threw me off. I have to be careful I don’t get kicked back to 1969. (That’s what happens to a Mac sometimes, lol)
Can anyone give me a link to this Cindy email being mentioned?? Not sure if it is public or not Thanks.
Blink – re your comment to my post #205 …
I guess I just want to go on record as disagreeing with anyone who would assume the A’s were just your average, normal, sort of wacky dysfunctional family prior to Caylee’s death. From what I’ve witnessed and researched, both Cindy and Casey display personality traits typical of disorders of narcissism, histrionics, and sociopathy, for starters. Neither woman seems capable of compassion or empathy for others — only themselves. I was absolutely appalled at the lack of concern shown by Cindy for how Caylee might be feeling during her media appearances prior to 12/11/08. I expected Casey’s self-absorbed detachment, but not Cindy’s. I’ve contrasted Cindy’s public behavior with that of other family members of missing or murdered children, and the differences are stunning.
I do not believe Caylee was well-loved prior to her murder — at least not well-loved by most normal standards. All the videos, pictures, shoes, sunglasses, and Mr. Potato Head collections in the world don’t take the place of the selfless, mature love, interest and security of a normal, functioning family. The Anthonys, to a person, do not appear emotionally equipped to offer the healthy environment a child requires, and to assume the videos depict otherwise is folly, in my opinion.
I admit to being absolutely furious and utterly disgusted with anything Anthony, over a full year later. But I think like you, my primary concern is the lessons that MUST be learned through examination of the inner workings of this nightmare.
To maintain the Anthonys were just a typical, loving, American family prior to mid-June last year will do nothing to further the discussion of how things COULD have been done differently, and SHOULD have been done differently, and MUST BE done differently by the families of future Caylee Anthonys. I realize this isn’t the forum for those discussions, but I feel compelled to disagree whenever I see comments by the public indicating the Anthonys took excellent care of Caylee prior to her murder. Nothing we’ve witnessed from this group for the last year bolsters that opinion. Anyone can smile and look pretty for the camera — witness the gazillion shots of Casey, the accused murderer, looking for the most part just as happy and wholesome and well-adjusted as it gets.
Off my soapbox now, for real. I promise!
I respectfully disagree. To the best of their ability and psyche profile, they took excellent care of Caylee, imo. Your explanation of their limited faculties is true, but intent plays a role. Caylee’s needs were met to the extent they could control. Her Mother, is another issue. If it sounds like I am defending people I find morally bankrupt it is because I am, just for Caylee, because JoJo and Ce Ce were after all, all she really had.
B
221 Kleat
The hairbrush incident occurred on July 21. I cannot recall that Cindy claimed LE lied to her before that date. The first taped jail visit didn’t happen until July 25. The FBI interviews that Cindy and George did not know were being taped happened on July 30 and 31, and the OCSO interviews were in early August. All the things you mentioned, except for the nursing home incident, happened days after the hairbrush incident.
Was Cindy being petty? Yes she was, but she was not non-cooperative because she was asked for specific items, and she provided those items.
There is NOTHING I can see in Cindy’s actions on July 21 that support an allegation that Cindy believed Caylee was already dead.
And my main point is that nothing Cindy did regarding the hairbrush, pants, or Febreze justifies a charge of obstruction of justice.
I would have to agee on it’s own merit, regardless, you could not make an obstruction case of it. But we will agree to disagree if you dont see the ill intention in her comments to Garrison. It does not a criminal case make, true, but I still say I will not be surprised at the end of this if the A’s dont seek immunity and we learn alot more that might have.
B
Geo (jo jo) is being questioned by the state today. Do I dare hope that annie is next in line?
Blink, they were the desperate acts of a desperate woman. Cindy so wanted her versions to be true, that Casey had not done this, that Caylee was alive and really taken by “Zanny”. The truth was too terrifying, too awful, absolutely unthinkable to her. If she could get the police to buy her story, then maybe it would become true, they’d find Caylee alive and well, this nightmare would end. God, what an awful place to go. She’s mad, completely lost touch with reality. She’s now a vicious, bitter shell where once a loving grandmother resided. Casey not only killed her child, she mortally wounded her parents, as well. Pathetic creatures, George and Cindy.
In reading George’s interview with the FBI (see pp. 7990), I thought that the story of the kidnapping in JBP came from someone other than Casey. George appears to repeat a story that was told to him about Jay Blanchard Park and Jesse or Zenaida holding Casey down and Caylee being taken but then he says this is all just speculation— “again it boils down is my daughter knows whats going on and she’s not saying a word.”
Do you all read this the see way?
So my observations about the search tips followed by an anthony reporting a “live caylee” sighting” were not so off the mark. The anthonys are so “easy” to read but so hard to understand. Why? I just don’t get it.I understand what enabling love is but THIS is just BEYOND my comprehension. Where is the HONOR and the love for caylee in THAT.
Yes, Blink– those investigators knew exactly ‘what’ personality they were dealing with under the legitimate grief situation, they had something more.
I wonder how a lawyer can handle this type of witness on the stand, when she can answer a yes/no question with an answer based on a ‘technicality’– like the wrong brush concept. Yes, she did give the LE what they asked for, ‘they’ just didn’t ask specifically for a specific brush for a specific user– technically, she did what they asked. This is a technique that might work for her on the stand too? (same with the car, technically it was ‘two’ days, the 15th and the 16th according to Cindy and her press statements to discredit LE, but actually, it was less than 24 hrs with the car being picked up the afternoon of the 16th– still, technically ’2 days’) She is good, in this fresh grieveing situation– too good to not suspect that the grief had been going on a bit longer, and she had time to think before the 15th and bringing Casey home.
I lost my grandpa to cancer when I was 11. He was awesome, same work ethic that blink describes about her daddy. He used to babysit for me and my bro sometimes when we were sick and mom was working. The fact that my daughter never met him and that he never got to meet his great granddaughter is a major loss for her and for me. Ok thanks for letting me get that off my heart, back on topix.
My Poppa was my 2nd best guy in the world; I hear ya.
B
Boo – Thanks for your theory on George and Casey’s confrontation on 06/24. Curious – Blink is this where you stand on this, too?
According to WESH George’s depo was delayed today.. no reason as to who or why.
http://www.wesh.com/news/20261769/detail.html
How could she hoodwink folks of this caliber in the first place? Cindy seems to be the ultimate ‘matriarch’ running her CMA lineage through three generations, and everyone else fell beneath in rank and importance. The LE officers seemed of no more important in rank to her than George ex-cop was, and that seems to be how she viewed the situation, she just opened the scope of her ‘rule’ to the whole community of LE officers in her mind.
And her decisions are her decisions– everyone else fall in line to her do as I say or I’ll
‘do’ something, call you out in public, discredit you on my Channel 6 etc, hardly veiled threats to John Allen. And that call to Tim Miller– not LE, but he was on ‘their’ side, not theirs so she threatened to break him too, that shows more than anything, about this matriarch of ‘all’, not just her family.
For anyone who has not read these two Blink articles or heard Cindy’s voicemails, a refresher:
Threats to John Allen– do as I say or I’ll go to the media (and LOVE the ‘FBI’ comment– Cindy had recently spoken to the FBI and thought ‘she’ had brought the FBI in because of OSCO’s failure to help find Caylee as a live person, when really, the FBI and John Allen knew exactly how this came about– shows Cindy’s ability to lie about how she knew the FBI was involved only because she ‘heard it on the media’).
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/23/caseycaylee-anthony-case-cindy-anthony-casey-had-to-have-help/
And refresher on Cindy’s threats to Tim Miller– repeated threats and uses his daughter’s death also, against Tim. Shows herself to be a heartless, cruel and uncaring person with an agenda.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/06/16/cayleecasey-anthony-case-exclusive-cindy-anthonys-scathing-message-to-tim-miller/#more-1872
Obstruction of Justice:
It doesn’t matter whether or not Cindy provided the other items which were also requested by LE IF she INTENDED to mislead LE by giving them the wrong hair brush.
She is not “covered” by providing other items if her INTENT in providing the wrong hair brush was to mislead or deceive LE. It doesn’t matter for what purpose they were making the request for the item. It doesn’t matter whether she understood for what purpose they were making the request for the item. What matters is that she intentionally provided them with the wrong hair brush.
As Blink points out, that email puts what Cindy did into context, and provides evidence of what her INTENT was with regard to the hair brush.
This was not an isolated incident.
The fruit of this investigation is RIPE with Cindy’s INTENT to mislead/deceive LE and the public. No other person worked as hard as she did to sell the “Zanny” story, sell the fake Caylee sightings, sell the blameJesse (or Amy or Ricardo) train.
Yes–a person could make a mistake and hand over the wrong item, but here you have a woman who is basically bragging about what she believes is her own cleverness. Her INTENT could not be more obvious.
And no matter how much a parent wants to protect and defend a child (even when accused of a heinous crime), this does not give that parent the right to intentionally deceive LE, let alone the rest of what she has done.
I think my very first post at blinkoncrime.com was on this topic. I said I believed there was sufficient evidence to charge Cindy, George and Lee as accessories after the fact.
An Accessory After The Fact is someone who, knowing that a felon has finished committing a crime, helps the felon avoid arrest OR TRIAL.
There is a reason why what she has done is a chargeable offense/a crime. The law seeks to DISCOURAGE people from doing these kinds of things.
There are plenty of legal,meaningful ways for a parent in Cindy’s position to show love and support for a child accused of crime (fraud/child neglect/lying to LE/murder).
Many, many other parents have been placed in the position where Cindy was placed by her daughter’s actions. The overwhelming majority of these people do not do what Cindy has done. Instead, they quietly and lawfully assist LE when requested to do so. They quietly and steadfastly support their child (by visiting the child in jail as often as permitted). If they are asked to comment to the press, they either have “no comment”, or they simply relate that they love their child and wholeheartedly believe in their child’s innocence.
What Cindy has done is not legally justifiable, nor it is morally justifiable. She has intentionally (attempted to) mislead LE, and she has hurt a number of innocent people (not to mention the TAXPAYERS who foot the bill for the investigation/prosecution/etc/etc/etc).
Thanks Slvr for explaining better what I did not. Obstructing Justice is not a charge of a single criminal act. The totality of her actions, albeit many we may not know of, once reviewed in my mind make it a possibility. Moreover, I will go out on a limb and say that I belive Lee may have recounted that whole “Georgia” Caylee sighting where he intentionally misled either LE or the reporter about who he was. If LE is running around chasing bogus tips, based on actions necessitated by the A’s, they should be required to be punished for it and reimburse the costs associated with same.
That is another one of the major issues I have with these people. There is no respectful consideration for the time and toll on the Officers/Agents in this case. The crap they and their families are put through to find this baby and bring her murderer to justice, and you can see how they are/were received by the A’s. I will tell you this, having met them, they dont blink an eye to have done it all over again to find her.
Did anyone, at anytime, hear a single member of that family thank them for finding Caylee? Whether or not they believed Casey was responsible, that is irrelevent. They FOUND her, and removed her remains and made them available for them to memorialize and give them the peace of mind they were safe. I think that might be my biggest question to them ” Are you glad that Caylee’s remains were finally found?”
B
(corrxn-- Cindy said that she ‘heard’ on the ‘radio’ that the FBI was involved– a lie with hardly a beat lost in her long long long sentences– she’s good at lying in an obtuse way– it was probably ‘true’ that Cindy heard about the FBI on the radio so in her mind, that was being truthful, just not how she ‘first’ knew about the FBI and her own involvment in ‘bringing in’ the FBI)
Seems to be a pattern in how Cindy can ‘lie’ using ‘the truth’. Whoever questions Cindy at trial, will probably need to be someone brought in who Cindy hasn’t yet ‘figured out’ how to read for technique and weaknesses to exploit.
Also, if you compare the videos of Cindy last week, first day entering for her depo, and then the video of her leaving, there’s a difference in the lighting from morning to night, but she did appear very ‘flushed’ in the face, arms, and clearly it wasn’t from sitting in the sun all day. Things were not nicey-nice in there– Brad Conway has a challenging job and I hope he is being well paid from not the Caylee charities or donations.
Is it just a coincidence Caylee’s umbilical cord was handed over to OSCO (from Baez) on March 19, 2009, which is also Casey’s birthday?
#225 nickel. Here is a link to the larry garrison/cindy anthony email bit http://www.wftv.com/news/18146218/detail.html
I have often wondered why the tow yard didn’t call the police and why they even towed the car. When they got there to tow the car wouldn’t they have seen Casey’s purse on the front seat and smelled they awful stench coming from the car. Why wouldn’t they call the police and report the smell coming from the car that’s desert with a purse on the front seat.
Why would Cindy ever thank LE for doing such a terrible job not looking for Caylee??? She can’t thank them, she’s criticized them every inch of the way, even had to tell them how to do their job and force that to try to get them to follow up on leads. Why thank them for doing such inadequate work that Michelle Bart said in the end, to not search, was ‘inhumane’ to Caylee?
Cindy will never ever back down to say thank-you to these good people who actually DID their job and you bet, took it home with them night after night, as another missing toddler case with a bad ending.
Remembering what Scott Bolin told George, these cases can have three outcomes– a good one, a bad one, and the ‘really bad one’. The outcome of everyone’s efforts to find Caylee, not just a ‘live’ Caylee, but CAYLEE, resulted in outcome No. 2, ‘bad one’.
The third outcome is what Bolin called ‘the really bad’ one– never any answers.
The Anthony family should be forever grateful to each and everyone of the investigators and their support staff and teams.
I bet, they will not thank a single one because Cindy will maintain her position religiously that they did not do their job.
212 Mackiezmom
I couldn’t have wrote it better … Unfortunately, the meaning will be lost on many that view this site.
Take it with a grain of salt. I am so sorry for your loss.
Caylee Marie Anthony was a toddler, 34 mos old, she lived with her grandma, grandpa, and mother. She liked swimming in the pool, she liked Disney movies, she loved her great-grandparents, she was friendly to people. She was real, and she was the grandchild of George and Cindy Anthony, who cared for her on a regular basis. Her grandparents provided everything for her. Her mother was in and out (emotionally and otherwise). From all the videos, comments from family and friends, Caylee was loved and well taken care of (until her mother ripped her away from her grandparents, self-admittedly out of spite, and murdered her). My comment was to humanize her, and also her grandparents.
I do not believe that Caylee’s grandparents failed her prior to her death, but I do believe that they dishonor their relationship with her, and her memory, with their behavior since her death. Caylee’s grandparents have destroyed their lives in a knee-jerk response to try to save their apparently guilty daughter. Blink’s comment upthread about restoration of the respect of that relationship is accurate and eloquent (though I just poorly paraphrased it).
215 TY Rein
Keep in mind who the actual puppet master is on trying to get Jesse with “the card”
But I guess a lot of people would say JB gets a pass for his actions in trying to smear a nice guys reputation, because it is however HIS JOB. I believe it’s far fetched the Anthony’s would stand up to JB and say STOP LYING … MY DAUGHTER DID IT.
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: She — she normally, and if you look at the GPS tracking and the longitudes and latitudes, there were times when she was just here and there.
But let me bring up something that you threw in there. When I first went back to Orlando, Jose Baez (ph), the attorney, showed me a card from Jesse, a very loving card sent to Caylee and Casey on Caylee`s first birthday. He wanted me to interpret that as a possibility that this gentleman, Jesse, loved that child so much that he would steal her.
Actually Scarlett, as you can see, Mack’s post was very well received here, and should be.
B
Blink
“Did anyone, at anytime, hear a single member of that family thank them for finding Caylee? Whether or not they believed Casey was responsible, that is irrelevent. They FOUND her, and removed her remains and made them available for them to memorialize and give them the peace of mind they were safe. I think that might be my biggest question to them ” Are you glad that Caylee’s remains were finally found?”
B”
I do feel sorry for what the Anthonys had to go through, but you are correct, if a member of my family’s remains were recovered , I would be grateful that I could have them back to honor their life and give them a proper dignified burial. I guess I never thought about them thanking police for all the efforts. Maybe, with a huge benefit of doubt, we can hope or consider that they did so privately vs. through a public statement.
They did not. They have never.
B
now this is only MO but… I don’t think Cindy has much of a soul.. Or heart. And I believe it goes way farther back then her adulthood. I don’t know I just get the feeling when reading what her mom and brother have said that this hasn’t been a very close family from the get go. Again this is JMO but Cindy and her brothers don’t seem close at all and her mother didn’t talk with a whole lot of love and compassion.. I know I know they were only speaking the truth (and thank god for that) but I know with my family I talk to my brother quite often and that seems to even have gotten stronger over the years and he is states away. But when there is love with in a family do you go months even more with out speaking? Or call a brother on his birthday?? What was broken in Cindy’s family years before any of this happened? JMO but I believe this disfunction goes way back…
Does anyone else see this? People can fake or pretend love in pictures and in video but what lies behind all that?
This family seem empty.. From the matter of fact language that is used to the timing of inappropriate laughter..??
I don’t know maybe I am way off but even looking back at Cindy’s brother, although I do respect him for stepping up to the plate, my brother would have never done that. He would have been on the first plane and straight to my door to shake the sense into me and then to hold and comfort me while I dealt with the reality.. He wouldn’t have been on some message board talking to strangers about me.. No I really think this whole crazy family dynamic goes way back..
I think there is no such thing as the Walton’s. Show me the perfect family and I’ll show you where somebody keeps a flask in that house. Yes, being intentionally glib, but I have to defend Rick. That man’s family was being blasted all over the web and his parents were now on anti anxiety meds. Maybe the vehicle was not optimal, but the guy learned how to post strictly to set the record straight on his family. Once he was contacted by LE and gave statements, he has NEVER posted again publicly, and never given an interview. If you have not read the transcript of John Allen, Yuri Melich, and Scott Bolins’ interview of his Mother Shirley, I suggest you do. It is the interview I am most looking forward to hearing the recording of, out of all of them.
B
Is Casey in the courtroom during these depos?
no
B
Do you all remember when CA laughed regarding turning over Caylee’s toothbrush and made a comment she was tempted to turn over the dog’s toothbrush.
The Anthony’s, maybe in some years in the future, will have it in their heart to thank the people who worked so hard to prevent the worst outcome scenario in the search for Caylee. But if the Anthony’s knew or had a future way of knowing where Caylee ‘was at’, they didn’t need anyone outside the family to help in the first place– they would ‘never NOT know’, never have ‘outcome No. 3′ to face every hour of the rest of their lives. They don’t need to thank authorities or anyone who did a ground search because they already knew the child was not alive AND could learn where the body was at, so they could have all the answers without anyone else’s outside help, no need, therefore, to thank them because finding the baby earlier than later, was not the good plan.
boo #233
I think that is why so many of us have such a vested interest in this case, we see how a family should or in my case should not be and we see the rights and the wrongs commited and it makes us sick…I was a victim of a serious crime and I have commited myself to protect children at all cost…God blees you and all the others here who want justice for this angel!
Re 180, 203, and 219:
Maura, I just wanted to say that when I first read your post #180 I saw it as a well written and insightful attempt to understand the motives behind Cindy’s actions, and was not trying to justify or validate those actions in any way.
Both you and Silver provide thoughtful and meaningful input, and I your well-written posts are informative. You are both wonderful advocates for Caylee. I hope that we can all (including me!!) remember to wipe off the negative residue that splashes us duirng our dealings with this case, so that it does not taint our lives or our dealings with others. Especially when it is obvious that you both care so much about Caylee and this case.
On another point. I am retired Army and have been in some “interesting” situations that were extremely stressful and life threatening. I lost count of the nuber of people who told me how “brave” or “honorable” they would be in those situations before it happened. Of course, when we got in those situations – it was often those who bragged the most in advance about how they would act “under fire” that, in fact, failed. What is also interesting, in times such as those, it was surprising how the quiet ones, or the ones you were not sure about, would rise to the top and perform admirably!
My points:
1. Do not act like you know what you will do in extreme situations. I assure you that you do not. Thank your maker (if you worship one) every day that passes without you ever having to find out.
2. Do not cast stones at those who have been in extreme situations. Once again, be thankful it did not happen to you. Strong men and women have been broken in extreme situations all throughout history. Do not try to convince me that you are unbreakable – I pray we never have to find out.
3. I know I am very breakable when it comes to my family. I do not know what I would do. I know what I hope I would do – but that is not the same thing. On that basis, I refuse to judge the grandparents (i.e. name-calling, ridiculing, labeling them as inferior beings who deserve this). Do not confuse this with sympathy or an attempt to justify the grandparent’s actions. I am very suspicious of their actions and motives. But I would not wish what happened here on anybody. Even George and Cindy.
O very, very well said and thank you for your service to our Country.
To underscore your points, allow me to convey a most embarassing experience:
About 10 years ago, My Father fell ill and needed immediate surgery. My Mom called me at home where I had a 3 month old napping. I called my husband in hysterics and screamed at him to come immediately to stay with the baby and called his cell every 3 seconds until he was in the driveway asking him to step on it. (In case it is not clear, I am a 1000% Daddy’s girl)
He hits the sidewalk, I sprint out with a list of instructions and last feedings for the baby, poison control numbers, toilet roll tube for him to measure anything he can give the baby to play with, pack and play, diaper bag, ear thermometer and clean changing table pad in case of an accident. All of which I tossed at him while telling him my Daddy could be dead by the time I got there and it would be his fault.
I jumped in my SUV, went screaching around the corner on two wheels, got 3 blocks, lefts, rights, barely touching the road. My mind was in such horror I was driving with absolutely no idea where I was going. I could not remember the way to the hospital (which I just gave birth to my son in) to save my life. I ran out of the house, no cell, no pocketbook, nothing.
Are you getting this? As you are reading this your probably thinking, that’s disappointing, I thought Blink was uber smart, specializing in investigation and analysis, and now she’s told us she is a spaz. Faced with this emergency, I ran around the house like a nitwit collecting things he would not even need, but certainly knew where to find if he did while busying my mind with minutia, then when I am alone and ready for my meltdown, I cant even form a cognitive thought to get me 10 miles.
Yep, I am telling you that. When it comes to my family, the filter that kicks in in cases I work on to be calm, rational and objective, goes kerblewy. I say this because it is true. I say this because nobody knows in an emergent situation, most especially possible death, how they will act, and most times it is almost involuntary. This is my only point. The rest, the contrived behavior on behalf of the A’s, I loathe.
B