Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released – Lee Anthony Granted Immunity?
Orlando, Florida– Over 1500 pages of New Discovery have been released by the State’s Attorney’s Office in the Case against Casey Anthony for the murder of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
A source speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com, believes almost half of the information contained in the reports relates to Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiancee’.
SOURCE LINKS TO DOCUMENTS (11:05AM):
http://www.wesh.com/news/20224026/detail.html
Parts 1–18 at above link
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates and source links as they become available.
WFTV is reporting the Lee Anthony has been granted immunity prior to his deposition by the State’s Attorney’s office this morning. Blinkoncrime has not been able to corroborate this report at the time of this posting. Lee is also facing a motion to compel his testimony in the civil case against his sister, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez through her attorney John Morgan.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
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#400 susanm. The gum chewing is SO irritating, what a defense mechanism? Chew louder when lying? Crack gum while searching trying to remember what she last said?
On March 9, 2009, prosecutors filed a motion asking Judge Stan Strickland to order the defense to produce every document related to any possible financial deal involving Casey, her defense team, or anyone else on her behalf, including book or movie licensing rights. In a sworn affidavit dated March 10, Casey said her agreement with defense attorney Jose Baez “does not contain any clauses or parts that allow or entitle him to any rights that would allow him to sell my ‘story,’ or that of my daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony.” In the March 25 hearing to discuss defense funding, Judge Strickland ruled he was convinced there was no conflict of interest and Baez did not need to disclose his funding sources.
The hearing was to make sure Casey did not have any agreement in place with any lawyer that involved the future sale of her story or Caylee’s story. The issue at stake was that if any contingency deal was in place that allowed Casey’s legal counsel to sell her story down the line that her lawyers could be enticed into insisting on a trial rather than a plea deal because a story involving a trial would fetch a higher price. Judge Strickland reviewed the retainer agreements between Casey & Baez and Casey & Kenney-Baden and said he was satisfied that no such agreements were in place.
The $200-225K paid by ABC to license video and photos was part of a deal that was signed by an unnamed “family license holder” (probably Casey but possibly Lee), so that the money received was unrelated to the contracts Casey had with her lawyers. There was nothing illegal about the deal, especially if Lee was the license holder who signed the agreement.
“Son of Sam” laws vary by state, but the basic idea is to prevent criminals from profiting from their crimes, usually by selling a story or selling crime mementos. Some states have laws that extend to friends and family members. Some prevent the criminal from capitalizing financially in any way (not just by selling the story of the crime) simply due to the notoriety of the convict because of the crime (as when a convicted murderer sells his or her autographs).
In Florida, the Son of Sam law only applies to convicted felons, so it doesn’t currently apply to Casey. In California, by contrast, the Son of Sam laws apply to anyone accused of a felony, so just being charged with a crime prevents the defendant from making money from the story.
Florida Statute 944.512 (“Son of Sam Law”):
“(1) A lien prior in dignity to all others shall exist in favor of the state upon royalties, commissions, proceeds of sale, or any other thing of value payable to or accruing to a convicted felon or a person on her or his behalf, including any person to whom the proceeds may be transferred or assigned by gift or otherwise, from any literary, cinematic, or other account of the crime for which she or he was convicted.”
Under the law here, unless and until Casey is convicted of a felony, she could sell her story and keep the profits and her family members and friends could do the same or use the profits for her defense. Even upon conviction of a felony, she could technically sell the story of the crime, but the State of Florida would seize the profits.
Moreover, even as a convicted felon, she could potentially (it’s not ruled out in the Florida statute), make money by selling drawings or writing poetry, for instance, so long as the subject matter is unrelated to the crimes for which she is convicted.
Maura, another excellent fact-backed post, thank you.
I add only this-Baez mis-spoke. According to Todd Macaluso’s pro hac vice, HE has a retainer agreement with Casey as well. This motion is dated March 12, filed March 13th. I dont think Baez forgot:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-new-attorney-macaluso-participation-doubtful/
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Blink,
I wish I knew some case insiders. But I would probably have been jailed by now on a nuisance charge if I did. I have you with your District Nine insider, and I had CSO member TVW. She’s a NY paralegal with a Florida LEO cousin (Tampa IIRC) who has a contact at OCSO. She hasn’t posted for months, but she was a week ahead of you in saying the FBI matched a latent print on the duct tape to Casey. She only mentioned one print. About a week later, you posted here that your contact said two latents. I’m taking the two.
Lol. You better link me on that post on the latents ahead of me, otherwise it doesn’t count.
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send your emails and voice your opinions. I’ve sent my email! oycott this book! Thanks for this great website! ”Justice for Caylee” let it be heard.
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You can be SURE that there will be plenty of book buyers out there to get what they think is the “inside scoop/true story” from the “real” grandparents of Caylee Anthony, don’t you agree?? Perhaps they could have Casey autograph it for something to do and add to the price too?
When they could save their money and just read here for the REAL FACTS.
LOVE the comment about the book being fiction or non – fabulous posting everyone!!!! Thanks Blink and all Blinksters!!
Maura wrote:
“Moreover, even as a convicted felon, she could potentially (it’s not ruled out in the Florida statute), make money by selling drawings or writing poetry, for instance, so long as the subject matter is unrelated to the crimes for which she is convicted.”
Interesting, this would apply well to the average convict, but what about cases such as this, where there is an added ‘value’, not just ‘the story’ or ‘the pictures’, but the quality of ‘notoriety’.
The monetary value of an artwork, for example, would be one thing for an obscure inmate who killed their child, but in this case, there is ‘notoriety’ that could create a demand and demand creates the market that sets the price. The notoriety of the case could potentially create a market for artwork by the ‘celebrity’ killer and if this happened, the art could have an inflated value and demand because of the conviction and ‘reputation’– ABC, for example, could get behind publishing/promoting Casey’s artworks because of notoriety and the story it brings itself. The art would have a value based on something other than pure artistic qualities or sensibilities, and be a sort of ‘freak’ or ‘trendy’ image to collect an ‘Anthony’. The market is fickle, and who knows with eBay, how this could become a lucrative business from her cell.
That would be directly profiting as without the story that began July 15, 2008 in possibly a ‘legal’ way unless this sort of loophole could be plugged.
The art market, if this could be created for Casey on the outside, her works could become commodity in themselves that would never happen without the killing of this baby.
Okay, Blink. I dug up her posts. Yourturn is reconfiguring CSO and the time-stamps are screwed up, but I double-checked the dates. She beat you on the finding of the prints by 11 days and on confirmation by six days.
TVW at Crimesearchersonline:
February 6, 2009
http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Casey-Anthony-Attorneys-on-The-Today-Show-331.html&Itemid=60#comments
written by TVW, 4:05:02 pm MST
Laura- I wouldnt worry I heard that in florida im not sure about other places but they both get to choose jurors so i wouldnt worry if someone is pro casey or totally against her and cant be bias to the case they dont get chosen. And my cousin told me they do have a partial finger prints on the bag and duct tape they are trying to lift prints to compare to KC’s right now they are at the fbi lab still being tested.
written by TVW, 4:14:02 pm MST
art- my cousin is a tampa detective and has some friends that are not on the case but work with people who are and they hear things ya know cop talk so when my cousin gets things when i talk to him i find out but they havent lifted the print as far as he knows but they did find something. And they are so sure about her trust me. We all have to llok back at scott peterson and compare those cases his case was all circumstantional evidence no dna evidence found at all and he is on death row and yes he got fan mail and people where giving him money and wanting to marry him as well. But no one in florida I see that is putting money in her acct. so what are u all worried about.
written by TVW, 4:19:07 pm MST
sway- no word on the fingerprint and who it belongs to last he heard is that they found a partial fingerprint and they sent it to the fbi lab. I wish he knew someone in the fbi that would be great! Cuz as far as he knows they still have everything and are still testing that and comparing the garbage bags etc to check for fibers from the car i know he said there are fibers that looked similiar to the car fibers but need to be tested first so no results yet i cant wait. But even without all that info she is done.
written by TVW, 5:11:59 pm MST
shyloh- my cousin works for tampa pd as a detective he does not work for osco but has a couple of friends on the force that are not working directly with the case but know and speak to people who are. Why would you think that it would be leaked ?
written by TVW, 7:47:27 pm MST
Thanks shyloh I didnt hear this until yesterday from my cousin and so far he was right with a things he heard from his buddy John so I hope they are right on this one for caylees sake.
February 11, 2009
http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Open-Thread-Nancy-Grace-Show-2-11.html&Itemid=60#comments
written by TVW, 8:00:10 am MST
hey girl u still there i just got back and watched NG and almost peed my pants when he said that he heard from his inside police source that they have fingerprints on duck tape and they match KC’s see i tried to tell everyone a couple of days ago when my cousin told he thought i wanted to know but whateva everyone is haters lmao
[She was referring to Leonard Padilla on Nancy Grace on February 11:
GRACE: Leonard, what do you know, if anything, about sources reporting fingerprints were lifted off the duct tape?
PADILLA: I heard this morning that there were fingerprints and that the prints are Casey`s on the duct tape.]
written by TVW, 8:06:56 am MST
well he did tell that they said it was KC’s but i didnt want to say it was hers cuz everyone wouldnt believe me lol like that mattered cuz they didnt believe me when i said they found a fingerprints. Remember in the people magazine article well that is when my cousin first told me it was right b4 that they found prints on duck tape than he called me a couple of days ago to say its KC. Thats y the police told people that theey are 100% sure they have the right person in custody.
[She must have been referring to the February 9, 2009 edition of People Magazine that had a cover story about Anthony family dysfunction. That edition was on newsstands on January 30, so I’m assuming she means the prints were found shortly before January 30, but that seems like an awfully long time seeing that the ME sent the tape to Quantico within a day or two of December 11.]
Blink on Crime, February 17:
“I spoke exclusively to an inside source within the 9th Circuit offices, and was advised that the prints on the duct tape match that of Caylee’s mother and the woman charged with her murder, Casey Marie Anthony.”
Blink on Crime update after the February 18 discovery release that only included the George, Cindy, and Lee fingerprint report:
“Blink on Crime has reported its sources stating that partial fingerprints belonging to the accused, Casey Marie Anthony, have been found by the FBI on duct tape found at the scene. While my sources stand by that assertion, it will not be specified as a finding in tomorrow’s release. Blink on Crime will be reporting on the discovery documents as they are made available.”
Teehee, but that’s only because my site launched that day, I posted it elsewhere, lol. There is no prints on the bag though. Thanks for posting that, I can tell from those posts who this person’s cousin is, I met him in Orlando.
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chica #386, would I buy it? NO! I have no desire to read propaganda or give these people a dime of my money! However, if someone the likes of Blink or one of our other talented posters here put out a book on the case, yes, I would definitely buy it!
The family has made a deal with CBS/Simon & Schuster and Casey has a deal going with ABC… Wow. It turns my stomach.
Question re LA and he knew what he had done. Why couldn’t they be referring to the paperwork etc in Casey’s bag from the car and whatever else they had shaken out of her. Strong (undocumented) recollection of LA having a bit of a laugh with LE over it. They didn’t ask for it or take it and the A’s turned it over as they wished. I always wondered about that until the experts here weighed in and explained just what LE could or could not take into evidence. In those early moments.The explanation fit and everything was very neat and tidy for me. Cough.
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I read your Macaluso post when it first went up and was agast that he was holding back on his legal problems at home. It’s a very good, very meaty post, and the retainer part didn’t stay with me. I wonder if the SAO asked Strickland to look it over at any time after the hearing.
In fairness, the contradiction that he had a retainer agreement with Casey was not clear until the State’s motion hearing regarding Baez possible conflict of interest. This is not a grey area, he either has one or he does not; which would mean somebody lied to the court. I am going to guess it was not “caught” by the SAO because there has been no ammendment to his pro hac vice. He has also not been seen in any depositions since his participation in his home states ADP evaluations. In the legal community, his charges by the Bar are considered egregious.
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Re: Zenaida Gonzalez, Casey, Sawgrass, and related timeline
The Sawgrass Apartments are 8.85 miles from the Sutton Place Apartments (Tony’s place). MapQuest estimates the driving time between the two complexes at 15 minutes. The Sawgrass weekday office hours are 9:00am – 6:00pm. Zenaida Gonzalez never said what time she, her boyfriend, and her son visited Sawgrass on June 17, but it had to be between those hours. Zenaida told Local 6 they were at Sawgrass for about 15 minutes.
Casey’s ex-best-girlfriend Annie’s ex-boyfriend’s name is Dante Salati (who has known Casey for eight years because they went to high school together, not just through Annie). Dante and Annie lived together in Sawgrass apartment 218 (per Annie’s recollection) until Annie moved out in February 2007. While Annie lived there, she said Casey and Caylee visited her in that apartment “all the time.” Dante was still living in that apartment on September 8, 2008 when he was interviewed by OCSO. Annie said in her May 2009 deposition that he has a girlfriend who also lives in Sawgrass, and he might be moving into her apartment, but as of Dante’s interview in September 2008, he was still living in the same Sawgrass apartment he had shared with Annie and that Casey had visited while Annie lived there.
In Dante’s OCSO interview, he said as far as he knew, he was Casey’s only friend who lived at Sawgrass and also said the last time Casey had visited his apartment was late 2006/early 2007. Apartment 210 (Zanny’s alleged apartment) is in the next building over from the one that Dante lives in. Only one other person who lives at Sawgrass and knows Casey has been identified – Katie Sue Robinson. Katie told OCSO that she and Casey know of each other because they went to Colonial together and have mutual friends but that she and Casey are not personal friends and don’t communicate or socialize with each other. Contrary to assertions in many forums, Victoria Aleman (best friend of Katie) has never lived at Sawgrass and is not friends with Casey. Matthew Crisp, Casey’s school friend who works at Cranes Landing Apartments is good friends with Katie and Victoria and confirmed to OCSO that they are both friends of friends of Casey but not direct friends.
Casey was at Blockbusters with Tony Lazzaro around 8:00pm on June 16. Tony testified that they rented two movies, went back to his apartment, and stayed up until around 1:00pm because they watched both movies that night.
Tony told LE that the following morning, June 17, he and Casey stayed in bed late because they engaged in some morning sex, which is why he skipped school that day. His testimony is consistent with Casey’s lack of phone activity on June 17 until her first phone use at 10:52am, when she pinged a tower near Tony’s apartment. She continued to ping one of the three Tony towers until 2:13pm.
Within that time period, there are only two gaps long enough to allow Casey to drive to Sawgrass and make it back in time for the next ping on a cell tower in Winter Park:
Gap A is a 70-minute gap between 11:30am-12:40pm (both pinging Tony tower #1)
Gap B is a 92-minute gap between 12:40pm-2:12pm (both pinging Tony tower #1)
Allowing for the 30-minute roundtrip drive, Gap A would have allowed Casey a 40-minute stop at Sawgrass from 11:45am-12:25pm and Gap B would have allowed for a 62-minute stop at Sawgrass.
However, there is no way to know if Casey even left Tony’s apartment during those gaps. Other than the morning sex and the fact that he skipped school, Tony couldn’t recall anything specific about June 17. He told LE that he had never heard of Sawgrass Apartments until after Casey’s arrest. I don’t believe Casey had the laptop during these gaps (I think she got it that afternoon). OCSO may have MySpace, Facebook, or IM records if Casey was using a computer other than the laptop at Tony’s apartment during the gaps. We don’t have those records.
Casey definitely left Tony’s apartment after the 2:13pm call because at 2:30pm, she was pinging a tower near the Anthony home. The Anthony home is a 20-minute drive from Tony’s apartment, and is southeast of Tony’s. The Sawgrass Apartments are southwest of Tony’s, so Casey would not have had time to even drive past Sawgrass on her way to Hopespring Drive.
Furthermore, Casey, as a detective noted, is a girl for whom every drop of gas counts, so it would be unusually profligate of her to have left Tony’s apartment during Gap B, driven southwest to Sawgrass, returned to Tony’s apartment, and then left almost immediately to drive southeast to the Anthony home. She could have driven from Sawgrass directly to the Anthony home in half the time and distance. So that argues against a Sawgrass visit during Gap B.
Anthony neighbor Brian Burner was on vacation the week of the 16th, and he said he saw Casey back the Pontiac into the garage three times that week. He was sure of the 17th and 20th, but he wasn’t quite sure if Casey borrowed the shovel on June 18 or 19. His most recent testimony favors the 19th, but cell pings point to the 18th. Burner recalled watching Casey back her white car into the Anthony garage on June 17, so it does appear from her pings and from eyewitness testimony that she went home that afternoon in the Pontiac.
Casey steadily used the phone 17 times between 2:18pm and 4:05pm. All the pings hit one of the three Anthony home towers, none of which are in range of Sawgrass. There are no gaps long enough between those 17 pings for Casey to have driven to Sawgrass and back.
Encase computer usage shows that the Compaq laptop was used for the first time in 39 hours (Encase data in discovery only shows activity from midnight on June 16 to midnight June 18). The laptop’s suddenly heavy activity began in the 2:00pm-3:00pm block when Casey’s pings show she had arrived at the house. At 3:29pm, the video clip of Caylee at the nursing home was created on the Compaq laptop. The nursing home clip was modified at 10:00pm later that night and was last accessed on Wednesday June 18 at 10:14am, so that is the date that Tony noticed Casey crying over the nursing home clip when he woke up in the morning (he didn’t have class on Wednesday).
As noted, I am guessing Casey did not take the laptop with her when she left on June 16, but picked it up during this visit to the Anthony home on June 17 since from the evening of June 17 on, her Internet access (like Photobucket downloads) links her to the Sutton Place’s IP address (it’s Bright House, so I am certain it’s a dynamic IP covering all devices accessing an assigned residential broadband network, not a static IP assigned an individual computer).
The majority of cell usage during her June 17 afternoon visit to the Anthony home was for calls to or from Tony, so he wasn’t with Casey.
After a 31-minute gap in phone activity, she pinged a tower at 4:36pm that was near UCF (3498 Spur Road, which is north of the Anthony home and even further away from Sawgrass than Tony’s place or the Anthony house). This tower is 20 minutes and 13.18 miles from Sawgrass.
After a 44-minute gap in phone activity, at 5:20pm and 5:23pm she was hitting a tower on 10363 East Colonial. That tower is 15 minutes and 9.36 miles from Sawgrass, so if she was heading for Sawgrass at that point, she would have arrived roughly 20 minutes before the office closed for the day.
Her phone went dead for three hours from 5:23pm until 8:23pm, when she once again pinged a Tony tower.
That East Colonial tower is just before the left-hand turn on North Dean that leads to Chris Stutz’s parents’ house, which is about 4.5 miles south of that cell tower. Chris Stutz testified that on either June 17, 18, or 19, Casey visited his parents’ house around the time that he got out of work, which is around 5:00pm. He said she was driving a black Jeep with NY plates and stayed for an hour or two.
He couldn’t be sure of the date (he was only certain it was one of those three days), but he believed June 17 was probably the right one. If Casey did visit Chris Stutz on June 17, that would explain her lack of cell activity from 5:23pm until 8:23pm but Chris said she was driving the Jeep when she visited around 5:00pm, and as late as 4:05pm, she had the Pontiac at the Anthony house. Moreover, LE released a set of receipts they had collected, one of which was a 6:27pm receipt for Tony Lazzaro at a Hess station. The actual receipt was not in the discovery, but the purchase was for an even $75, which is what about 18 gallons would cost at the $4.00 per gallon price at the time (a Jeep Grand Cherokee has a 20-gallon fuel tank).
She was at the Anthony house until 4:05pm with the Pontiac and drove north to the UCF area for a 4:27pm ping. Did she meet Tony somewhere after 4:05pm to switch the Pontiac for the Jeep, drive the Jeep to Chris’s place around 5:00pm by herself for a visit that lasted one to two hours, and then return the Jeep to Tony in time for him to fill his tank at Hess at 6:27pm? It’s possible if her visit with Chris was short enough, but that is an awfully tight timeline. Moreover, when Tony was asked by LE if Casey had borrowed his Jeep, he could only recall one time in the week prior to June 30 when she borrowed the Jeep. He said she went to Target and returned 20 minutes later holding Target bags.
Another possibility (and my favorite) is that this was the day she tagged along with Tony and his DBC co-workers to look at a three-apartment that they had found and wanted to rent with Tony. In Tony’s September 8 interview, he said this occurred during the week of June 16-June 20 and Casey met them (driving the Pontiac) at the apartment shared by Sean Hickey and Drew Heyman, which happens to be Arden Villas, only one mile from the UCF tower she pinged at 4:36pm. Tony said for the trip from Arden Villas to the place they were looking at and back again, he rode part of the way in Casey’s Pontiac and part of the way in the car owned by either Sean or Drew. Casey’s lack of phone activity would be explained if she were with Tony and his friends from 4:36pm until Tony and Casey separated a couple of hours later, at which time she and Tony drove their own cars back to Sutton Place, and Tony stopped to fill his tank at 6:27pm on the ride back.
It’s so grotesque to think that Caylee’s body was very probably in the trunk when Casey was scooting her boyfriend around town looking at apartments.
Wednesday, June 18 is the likely day she borrowed a shovel from Brian Burner “around 1:30pm” and returned about 60-90 minutes later. Casey’s cell pings show her at the Anthony house from 2:42pm-3:42pm. However, she could have been there as early as 2:27pm and as late as 3:56pm and fit the ping records. She was calling Tony during that period, so he wasn’t with her.
OCSO believes she dumped the body in the woods on June 18. I think she borrowed the shovel, took the body out of the trunk and moved it to a couple of locations briefly while considering possible gravesites, placing Caylee near the playhouse for the longest length of time. On July 17 and 18, the cadaver dogs hit on the areas where Caylee’s body had rested, and were particularly interested in the ground next to the playhouse. IMO Casey gave up the backyard burial as a bad idea when she realized that she was not going to be able to hide the grave of a three-foot tall, 35-to40-pound child in that tiny backyard. Moreover, the effort would be very taxing.
When Casey got to her house that afternoon, it was 91 degrees with 45% humidity and was about to rain. The rain started at 3:51pm, so the sky was darkening shortly after she borrowed the shovel, and the atmosphere was getting increasingly humid. By the time of her last ping in the area at 3:42pm, the humidity had risen to 71% and rising. Casey returned the shovel to Burner. He said the shovel appeared unused, and Casey was wearing the same clothing and did not appear to have exerted herself whatsoever. If Casey had used the shovel to any extent in that weather, she would have looked it. IMO, she put the body in the trunk, then took advantage of the rain (dark sky, no one outside) to drive around the corner, run twenty feet into the woods, and drop the body.
By 4:27pm, she was pinging Tony towers for 11 consecutive, well-spaced pings, until 6:58pm (and not communicating via cell with Tony) so she was not with Chris Stutz and was probably at Tony’s apartment with Tony. Her phone then went dead for the night. LE listed a receipt for Tony at 8:21pm for Tijuana Flats ($30.07) and another receipt for Chili’s (no $$ or time-stamp), so maybe Tony took her out for dinner followed by drinks.
Brian Burner thought maybe Thursday, June 19 was the day Casey borrowed the shovel, but her cell pings show she was at Tony’s from 11:00am through 3:00pm with no breaks long enough to have driven to and from the Anthony house and borrowed the shovel. None of her pings on June 19 put her near the Anthony house at any time. Moreover, this was the afternoon that Casey and Tony met with Matthew Crisp to view an apartment at Cranes Landing Apartments at 3440 North Goldenrod Rd. Tony said he had class on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays during this period, so they could only have gone to the apartment in the afternoon.
Casey sent a text to Crisp at 2:10pm and he immediately responded by calling her for 1.4 minutes. She hit a Tony tower for both calls as well as a text message at 2:27pm. The Cranes Landing Apartments are right around the corner from the Sutton Place Apartments, so the cell towers for those two complexes are the same.
She sent another text to Crisp at 2:58pm, and she hit a tower at 10363 East Colonial. Crisp sent a text to her at 3:07pm, and she hit a tower at 9100 University Blvd. In Tony’s October 16 interview, he said he and Casey had looked at two apartment complexes together – Cranes Landing and Mission Bay. He did not say when they visited Mission Bay, but Mission Bay is just off the section of North Dean that is between East Colonial and University near the towers (1.5 and 2.5 miles) that Casey hit. They may have visited both complexes on the afternoon of July 19.
She had no phone activity from 3:07pm to 4:20pm.
At 4:20pm, 4:23pm, 4:52pm, and 4:54pm, she was hitting Tony towers.
At 5:45pm, she pinged a tower about three miles from Chris Stutz’s place. Her phone went dead until 9:02pm, when she appeared to be back at Tony’s. In my opinion, this is the likeliest day of her visit to Chris Stutz. She told Chris she was driving the Jeep because she was having car trouble. She may have told Tony an entirely different story – maybe that she needed the Jeep’s cargo space for something she had to transport for “work.” Or Casey may have taken the Jeep without telling him if, say, he left the keys to the Jeep at his apartment and went out for the evening with Nathan or Cameron for something school-related. At any rate, I think she needed to pretend she was going to work and wanted the Jeep because she was freaked out by the spill of decomp fluids onto the trunk liner when she moved the body the day before.
In Tony’s interviews, LE was more interested in the times when he was in or near Casey’s car after June 16 than in the times that she borrowed his Jeep (with the exception of when she took the Jeep to the car wash on July 5), so there is little to go on in the four released interviews relative to any times that Casey borrowed the Jeep. Tony’s Jeep was in the shop from May 31 through June 9. Casey drove the Jeep when Tony was in NY from June 30-July 5. Between June 10 and June 29, the only time Tony could recall letting Casey borrow the Jeep occurred in the week before his vacation when she made a run to Target and returned with Target bags 20 minutes later.
Just to finish up the Burner thread, Friday, June 20 is the day of the third and last time Burner recalls seeing Casey back into the driveway. Casey’s cell pings show her near the Anthonys’ house from 1:44-1:53pm. However, she could have been there until around 2:10p since her next ping is at 2:18pm when she is on the road driving back to Tony’s.
Back to Zenaida Gonzalez . . .
In my opinion, FBI agent Scott Bolin was on the money when he told Cindy that Casey was giving addresses that she knew and was familiar with but that didn’t necessarily have anything to do with the situation. He said that is what people do when they’re caught in uncomfortable and compromising situations – they pull together information about things that they know and twist and turn them around.
Casey’s Zanny storyline had been established since 2006, so she started with that. She already had the Jeff Hopkins introduction in place, had been talking about Zanny the Nanny for at least a year (according to Shirley Plesea, who is believable), and according to Ricardo, had given Zanny’s real name as Zenaida months before June 16. Gonzalez is the Hispanic equivalent of Smith – an extremely common surname. The name sounds exotic to me, but on July 28, WFTV said they had found over 400 women in Florida named Zenaida Gonzalez. On July 30, OCSO Detective Carlos Padilla said in a press conference that Zenaida Gonzalez is quite a common name. In the defamation countersuit, Jose Baez claimed that “in Orange County, Florida alone, there are more than twenty (20) listings for Zenaida Gonzalez.” I think Casey threw in the Fernandez because it added flair and because she could say later that Zenaida could be using Fernandez, Gonzalez, or Fernandez-Gonzalez.
In my opinion, Casey planned to blame Zenaida from the start (especially if Casey created the Zenaida from Miami/Dora the Explorer MySpace page on June 16), but Casey did not have any details worked out when Lee told her on July 15 that LE would insist on being taken to Caylee’s location. He said she had a genuine look of panic on her face, and shortly thereafter claimed that Caylee had been taken by Zanny the babysitter, but Lee said she was very vague at that point and short on details. I think she filled in the details when she was waiting for OCSO and when she and Lee were in the garage while Cindy and George were being interviewed. The deputies arrived at 9:45pm, but Casey didn’t write out her statement until 1:05am on July 16, and Detective Yuri Melich didn’t arrive until 3:30am, so she had a few hours to work on embellishing details.
I do believe she drew from the One Tree Hill teen soap for the kidnapping babysitter story and also for Zanny’s North Carolina roots (One Tree Hill is set in a fictional town in North Carolina). However, I don’t believe she was concocting an alibi back in March. Rather, when she looked up the One Tree Hill 100th episode on March 19, it was the day after that episode had aired, and there was apparently enormous speculation among fans of the show regarding the 100th episode. If Casey had gone out on the night of March 18 to “work” or get an early start on her birthday celebrations, then she would have missed the show and maybe was checking on March 19 to see what had happened.
I believe that consciously or subconsciously, Casey was using places in her story that were close to where she had taken Caylee many times in the past. One of the places Casey pointed out to Yuri Melich as one of Zanny’s former residences was across the street from JP’s apartment. When Casey and Ricardo were exclusive, Casey spent many nights in the condo with Caylee. Ricardo said 3-4 times per week sometimes. Casey didn’t name the Glenwood condo, but instead pointed to a building directly across the street. Similarly, I believe Casey picked the Sawgrass Apartments as her drop-off for Caylee because she and Caylee had visited that complex together so many times when Annie was living there and Casey was familiar with the complex. But just as with the Glenwood condo, Casey didn’t point to the actual building she and Caylee had visited, but the building next to it. I don’t know if there is a similar Caylee connection to the condo complex Casey pointed out to Detective Melich, claiming that Gloria Gonzalez, Zanny’s mother, owned a condo there in 2006-07. Since the Crossings at Conway condo complex is also on South Conway, she could have pointed to that one simply because it was only 1/3 of a mile from Sawgrass and she thought another building, this one involving the mother of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, would make Zanny more real (how could a phantom have a home-owning mother?) and would make Casey seem less irresponsible (I met her mother right here on several occasions!).
Zenaida Gonzalez told Local 6 News that on June 17, she, her boyfriend, and her son visited Sawgrass for about 15 minutes and never returned. While she was there, she said she was positive that she was shown a third floor apartment, so she didn’t visit apartment 210. She also said she and her boyfriend had visited nearly every apartment complex on South Conway (and she may have visited apartments on other roads in Orlando). I found thirteen apartment complexes on South Conway via Google: Conway Station, The Cornerstone, Conway Club, Conway Forest, Lake Conway Woods, Cedar Place, Mallard Cove, Palm Harbor, Royal Crest, Sawgrass, Shenandoah, The Grove, and Woodlake Villas.
If Zenaida visited 10 of those South Conway complexes, then the reality is that Casey could have named any one of those 10 in the story she concocted on July 15 and Yuri Melich would have gotten a hit on the name Zenaida Gonzalez in the guest registry on July 16. If Annie and Dante had lived in Mallard Cove when Casey and Caylee visited Annie “all the time,” then I think that would have been the apartment complex Casey used in her story. And if Mallard Cove was one of the complexes on South Conway that Zenaida Gonzalez visited, then Yuri Melich would have found her name on the guest registry on July 16.
There is hardly any room in Casey’s June 17 cell pings for her to have visited Sawgrass, and there is no known reason for her to have driven to Sawgrass that day. Tony was looking at apartments that week, but he was looking in northwest Orlando/Winter Park near Full Sail University, not in southeast Orlando where the Sawgrass complex is. Tony said he never heard of the Sawgrass Apartments until after Casey’s arrest, so she hadn’t mentioned them to him. The Sawgrass Apartments rent rates are comparable to those of Cranes Landing and Sutton Place, but Sawgrass is not nearly as desirable as the other two because it’s not close to Full Sail and much more urban with heavy (and noisy) traffic on South Conway. But if, despite that, she wanted him to look at Sawgrass, she would have taken him with her just as she accompanied him to Cranes Landing.
I can’t think of a good, plausible reason why Casey would have driven to Sawgrass during the limited time on June 17 when she would have been free to do so. I don’t believe Casey wandered into the office and saw Zenaida’s guest card on the counter; that was Harry Garcia’s cheat-sheet that contained a list of talking points for the sales consultant, and he would have taken it with him when he showed her the apartment. I don’t accept as plausible Leonard’s theories that Casey was lurking unseen in the parking lot when Harry Garcia ran out of the office and yelled Zenaida Gonzalez’s full name because she hadn’t signed the guest card (there is no space for a signature) or because he hadn’t returned her driver’s license (I expect he returned her license after confirming her identity prior to showing her the apartment). No one has been identified who would have known of Zenaida’s visit to Sawgrass and passed that information on to Casey (or for what reason anyone would think Casey would be interested in that information).
All things considered, my opinion – unpopular though it will be – is that it is extremely unlikely that Casey Anthony knew a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez had visited Sawgrass on June 17. It’s even more unlikely IMO that Casey ever saw the guest card because she never would have pointed a finger at a woman who left a real telephone number for LE to trace to a woman who would quickly be cleared as a suspect. Casey made up all that SIM card nonsense to explain why she couldn’t provide a number for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez because there was no kidnapper and therefore a real telephone number would always lead to an innocent person.
Hey, we agree. I do not believe the guest card is the smoking gun in the association, never have.
B
I can’t stop vacillating on what I believe is truth, so I think I’m going to post this , and then quit, as I’m not helpful to this site. After thinking about the PIs going to the location where Caylee was eventually found, part of me (maybe wants to) believe that Cindy didn’t actually really know where Caylee was , but sent the PIs on a ruse to “prove” that Caylee WASN’T there, but perhaps based only on Kio’s info or Lee’s suspicions/interpretations of the cryptic conversations in jail with Casey. I think it’s one thing to know that your family member is dead, SOMEWHERE, but it is REALLY COLD and quite another thing to know that they are lying in a swamp, exposed to all the elements and animal activity for months, about a block away from your house. I have a difficult time fathoming that. Do I believe that Cindy Knew or considered that Caylee was dead before being discovered: yes. But to what extent, I just keep arguing with myself! Okay, I’m going to zip it now.
No WSH, I agree with you.
B
Blink, in one of her lying statements to the detectives she said that after she couldn’t locate Caylee, she went to a “neutral” place which just so happened to be Tony’s. What purpose was that lie supposed to serve, also, how was her demeanor when she got to the “neutral place”?
Its in her statement, which did not match Tony’s.
B
#404 maura. Excellent as usual. You rock. I am going to have the WILLIES all day. Shocking, no panic just cold. Poor caylee.
Blink, regarding the latent prints. Does the defense have this evidence by the SA? If the SA did turn this evidence over why is the defense going forward with a trial and not pleaing?
Because the well will run dry.
B
Wow, Maura, you just keep pumping out all those excellent analyses! Thank you so much for all that you contribute here.
Ditto.
B
It is being report that the A’s, Brad Conway and Dominic Casey have made a joint book deal with Simon ans Schuster.
#347 Do you think that maybe the defense will try to say that by getting a tatto Casey was only following the script (which no one ever saw) that she had been given to follow.
What I am wondering, since “the nanny did it” story is in writing, signed in a sworn statement, and already proven untrue, now that they are going after Jesse Grund and his character, can he sue for defemation of character, and garnish any income that may come out of this new book deal the Anthony’s have?
411 maura. Sorry my browswer had not refreshed. I saw your comment as #404. My teeth are still chattering.
Maura, wow, that’s a lot of work!! Thanks!
To add a small point, wasn’t the complex across from Ricardo’s apartment, a senior’s only facility, and Casey pointed out one specific window as ZG’s apartment and the occupants had never heard of ZG. (IIRC– of course).
I’m not in the Orlando area, and to just get an idea of what streets look like in the city, trying to envision what Conway and apartments look like, I used Google streetview to look at the Sawgrass Apt. entrance off Conway. It was not too clear, but the only ‘entry’ was at something that seemed to be called ‘Sunrise’ apartments . So that would be on Conway too, next to the Sawgrass Apts? Or is that the name of a complex of apartment or condos that include Sawgrass?
You were so thorough on the apartment search for the area, I wondered why ‘Sunrise’ didn’t fit in. I will have to go check streetview again sometime.
I have been reading the timeline that was posted earlier. I have a question about KC’s cell calls. Numerous times it indicates that KC called her own cell phone. What was that about? Can someone explain that?
The other thing, and this comes from some of Blink’s and Maura’s comments as well as the timeline. Since we have learned from reading at this site that it is often what we don’t know that is more telling than what we do know, IT IS CERTAINLY INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN A STATEMENT FROM MALLORY.
More Evidence being released………. read on!
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/6/more_evidence_in_case_against_casey.html?refresh=1
I know, I have a feeling it has everything to do with whatever Lee got immunity for
B
maura, i am still going over the debbie bennett info,from #331,the timeline isnt consisent with what cindy told fbi,first off,this is seperate from timeline ,but want to point out,as it pertains to motive imo,debbie says,that cindy had been complaining about having to watch caylee at night went she she got from work, tired,she didnt like casey having the luxury(my word) of dumping caylee on her,(understandable,but red flag hotspot)(iirc june 16 morn & afternoon conversation w/tony were “come over” which she did, early evening(about the time cindy would be arriving home) without caylee,had there been a fight the night before(w/ a choking incident),i would presume asking mom (or dumping) to watch caylee for the evening would be a “dont even ask” ,”absolute no”,or cause for another fight,so here was casey’s first opportunity to need a sitter(or the time for motive to kick in)imo–back to the time line
Blink
Hope you are right! That will be exciting……. maybe the first bit of truth from the A’s?
Good points Maura.I tend to agree about the Sawgrass stuff.
Westsidehudson, no!! Your last post added clarity to one more little part of the picture– those little insights add a lot and I never quite thought in those terms and we need to have your good insight to make sure we don’t get tied into a tight line of sight, seeing only one side or the other, while missing something in between. Blink didn’t miss that, so now because of what was nagging at you, we have one more ‘option’ to consider.
Thanks for sharing!!
back to 424 the flutter of phone calls around the 4:00 hour iirc coicided with the time of casey wanting to go or wanting to make plans to go to tony’s,were those calls panic about the death as some have surmised or could they have been about sitting caylee? i say one or the other as she shows up at tony’s without caylee.
#425 or both together,or one caused the other.
It is a terrible thought, what was done with the baby’s body, beyond a shallow grave somewhere, it was in swampy run off, exposed but for trash bags to elements, mould, animals, insects. But what sort of made that ‘believable’ that Cindy, for one, could tolerate that possibility without asking for help from searchers to clear that area even in full-flood if she suspected for any good reason her grandbaby was there, was Cindy’s ‘hardness’ to easily without hesitation, descriptive words and terms of ‘decomposition’, ‘I am a nurse of decomposition…’ (she did a mis-speak after the bond hearing I think– she did a media interview on the way out of courtroom), talk of ‘maggots’, ‘smells’, ‘dead flesh’, so early in the case, it seemed not such a far stretch to consider that she could also harden to the possiblity of the body rotting and exposed in the run-off swamp waters not far from the home. If the body were there, looking at the thick mat of heavy roots, it would be impossible to dig a hole, unless a hole or depression were found, and the body covered in something that would not wash away.
Cindy said to investigators, how she knew all about horrid smells in nursing, none worse (not even decomp) than pseudomonis (sp?– going by memory of her words).
It’s not such a stretch to believe she was capable of being somewhat callous and hardened, about the thought of remains. More than most people, maybe her medical experiences contributed, and maybe the drive to protect her daughter gave her the strength to stomach that idea of the baby in the swamp.
But WSH is right, it’s got to be difficult for anyone who has normal feelings and sensibilities, to let that continue while ‘knowing for sure’.
Maura re: #411, wow thank you. One question: wasn’t there a “fact” from KC about ZG that ZG had New York plates or was from NY and that matched up with the ZG who applied at Sawgrass? How would KC have that info?
debbies timeline: cindy says she hasnt seen her grandaughter in two weeks ,(in real time that would make this conversation around june 29,30 )if cindy had thought the date she had last seen was june 9 that would make this conversation around june 23rd,ok so stop,it is thought to be an accidental mistake(by some ) that cindy said june 9th,well wouldnt you remember fathers day(say some)well yea but who remembers the numeric day of fathers day(others explain)still others think cindy purposely backed the date up to throw the timeline off,which in effect could hamper the CASE,or others think she might have chosen this date for a reason of signifigance,But she got a pass ,innocent mistake.so debbie goes on ,THAT monday,(so this conversation happened before THat monday)cindy gets the call AS SHE IS EXPECTING CASEY HOME ANYTIME of the car accident, the car accident is said to have happened on the 23rd,so in actuality,when cindy is telling debbie that she has not seen her grandaughter in two weeks it is actually less than one ,(or this conversation happened on june 29,30,which throws it all off),so now i ask, would you know the difference between not seeing your grandaughter for less than a week and not seeing her for two weeks if it had only been LESS than one week,would you be saying i havent talked to my grandaughter in two weeks if it had been five days? or is cindy getting the spindy on at work .theres more…
I think this site is amazing. I am ‘star struck’ for a lack of better words at Blink and her Blinkers
I wish I could be a valuable contributor and offer more than just random thoughts for Caylee’s sake. I have short term memory issues so remembering details is not my gift.
Condensing what’s going through my mind, is there a bottom line to this case and Casey Anthony’s ‘alleged’ guilt? Is there a simple truth and will she get the death penalty? Also, what kind of person would NOT want the truth about the death of a loved one…a child no less? Is this family truly that delusional? I am obsessive to know what else occurred in their family history that could lead to Caylee’s horrific death? I just can’t grasp that this was something unpredictable. Or am I the one who’s coo coo and making it more than it is?
Rick and Mrs. Pleasea (my apologies for misspellings) seem to be the only ones who don’t seem surprised…mortified…but not surprised by the dynamics of the Anthony family.
Blink, thank you for sharing with us the kind of men who had a hand in who you’ve become. I lost my father suddenly and like you was the virtual daddy’s girl. Not only is my life not the same, but my children will never know ‘the greatest man I ever knew’.
To all the children of violence….you are deeply loved and not forgotten.
TY, but you must remember they do know him- through you. Tell them all about him over and over.
B
421 Kleat
You are correct that Casey pointed out a third-story window in the elderly housing/seniors-only building across from JP’s Glenwood Ave. condo and said that room had been Zenaida’s bedroom when she lived there. If you look at the first set of discovery released on November 26, you can get Yuri Melich’s summary of their drive around Orlando that morning as well as frontal pictures of the complexes Casey took him to.
The fact that Casey just made up that detail about Zenaida’s third-floor bedroom window in the Glenwood building across from JP’s is exactly the reason why I believe she was making up the story on the fly. She didn’t think any of this through, and her story was evolving as the night progresses. First, in her statement, she said Jennifer and Raquel were living at the Sawgrass apartment with Zanny because she said when she returned for Caylee that evening, neither Zanny nor her roommates answered the door.
On the morning of July 16, Yuri Melich visited Sawgrass and learned that Apt. 110 is never occupied because it is a leasing model, and Apt. 210 had been unoccupied since February 2008, when the tenants were evicted. Apt. 210 had, since the eviction, been under construction. Also, when Dante answered questions on WS in September, he said his apartment (218) is a 1B-1B model. Zenaida Gonzalez was looking for a 2B2B model, so if 210 is a 1B1B model like 218, then she definitely wasn’t shown that apartment. By the Universal interview, when Casey was confronted with the fact that apartment 210 had been vacant since February, she said she only dropped Caylee off on the stairway between 110 and 210, where she had dropped Caylee off many times before.
During her jail visit with Cindy and George on July 25, Casey claimed that Zenaida’s roommates, Jennifer Rosa and Raquel Farrell, had moved out several months earlier whereas on July 16 she claimed they were living with Zenaida in apartment 210 because she thought one of them would answer when she knocked on the door on June 16.
Casey mentioned other places in her OCSO interviews on July 16. Alafaya Club Apartments, where she said Zenaida had lived for a couple of months and where Casey also happens to have a good friend still in residence. Andover Lakes (near Curry Ford and Dean according to Casey) is another complex where Jeff allegedly used to live and where Zenaida lived for a while. I’d bet fifty bucks Casey knows someone who lives there, too.
I live two hours away from Orlando, and I have never travelled there for the purpose of driving around on the routes Casey used, so I do not have any familiarity with the area. I’ve gone to the theme parks several times (which are only near Orlando), gone to the Orlando Church Street Station once, the Orlando Science Center once, and made numerous trips to OIA – that’s pretty much the extent of my first-hand experience with Orlando. I am completely reliant on Google and Orlando natives and visitors for specifics.
There are more apartment complexes on South Conway than I found via Google because I was searching for complexes with a South Conway mailing address (that’s the best I could do). There are additional complexes on the corner of South Conway and the South Conway cross-streets. For instance, The Crossings at Conway condo community (where Casey said Gloria Gonzalez owned a condo in 2006-07) has one side on South Conway, but faces Michigan Ave, so the mailing address is Michigan Avenue. The Sunrise complex you saw on Google maps is probably facing a South Conway side street, so it wouldn’t have a South Conway address, and for that reason, I didn’t locate it when I searched for apartment complexes on South Conway.
422, carolyn in MD—the easiest way for me to pick up my cellphone messages is to dial my cellphone number, esp. (but not limited to) from my cellphone. Prolly what kc was up to.
there is so much ,and i havent even cross referenced,but before i lose anyone please am i missing it or did cindy not mention the smell in the car to debbie,she mentioned it to someone at work right iirc correctly,thats why the people at work were telling her to call police, go home ,deal, NOPE not according to this interview no mention of smell but yes DEBBIE mentions call police BECAUSE CAR IS ABANDONED,CASEY IS SUPPOSEDLY IN JACKSONVILLE,DOLL, CAR SEAT,GO HOME! CALL POLICE!,but not because of death smell,here is someone saying call police and they even know about the death smell,and kosmo, she still doesnt call police for 6 more hours,imagine if caylee really was missing.and maura she says the gas can incident happened a couple days after the pool ladder near fathers day,,very different and inconsistant from georges 24th account
Brad Conway’s interview on MSNBC
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32312161#32312161
#411 post. Wow Maura! You amaze me with these details. I love this site Blink! Thank You. Thank You. And Thank You to every one…Maura, Kleat, Silver, etc. I apologize if I don’t name everyone, if I did, my post will be as long as Maura’s but really boring. I am speechless with regards to all these details. I will shut up now.
I was browsing on another site and people their had e-mailed the publishing company in protest of the book that the Anthony’s wanted to give them “a one time offer” to publish. Now what these bloggers are saying is the the publishing company has responed to each and every e-mail saying that they have refused the Anthony’s offer.
Has anyone here e-mailed them and got an answer?
#422 It is strange that we have no depo or statement from Mallory as I’m sure LE would want to know her version of what Casey was doing and the sematics of the Anthony clan.
George in his interview yesterday stated that it was hard for him to get a job, because of everything seen in the media. I wonder if they take a minute to think of Zenaida or Jesse Grund and what they have put them through.
According to Michael Selleck at Simon & Schuster: “Please be advised that Simon & Schuster does not and will not have a book deal with George and Cindy Anthony, or anybody else associated with this case. Any reports to the contrary are inaccurate.”
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From Orlandosentinal, rep from the publisher apparently wrote this in email:
“Simon & Schuster does not have a book deal with the Anthony’s or anybody else associated with this case,”
Not that discussions have not taken place, they could be playing with fire if this happens to come about ‘before trial’. Remembering of course, that Cindy and her media cohorts started almost immediately, to seek as much local and high profile national coverage as possible.
Blink –
This is listed on the clerk’s website under the murder charges. Any idea’s as to what this hearing is for?
8/5/2009 NOTICE OF HEARING FILED 09:30 A.M.
Sal
There are 144 names on the December SAO witness list. The SAO subpoena list was released in March because the media reported it, but I have never seen the list linked on any media site. The latest SAO witness list was released in April, and again, the media reported that it was up to 250 names, but that list has never been released to the public that I am aware of.
There are four people on the December SAO witness list whose statements have not been made public that I know of:
Bobby Lee Williams, the tattoo artist (La Bella Vita)
Mallory Parker, Lee’s girlfriend
Mark Hawkins, Casey’s California service friend who was alledgely told by Casey a week before her arrest that she had something important to tell him and wasn’t sure how he would take the news
Melissa England, Troy Brown’s girlfriend, who spent five hours with Casey on the night of July 2 (they were shopping and Casey apparently took a call from Cindy) and was with Casey and Troy at The Lodge on the night of July 3 when Casey freaked out because she said Lee was coming to get her
There are other people on the list whose transcripts have not been released, but they are minor players in the saga (Anne Marie Chase, Victoria Aleman, etc.).
susanm—i have tried to read all the posts, but would you please state the date that you think Cindy knew Caylee was dead and or helped with hiding the body. if she knew or helped early on 07/03/ SOMETHING IN YARD or before, why did she call the police on the 15th of July. Was she just mad at Casey and wanted to get even for moving the body, etc. everyone please excuse my poor ability to grasp all the details. but that has bothered me—-thanks for your answer in advance on this.
i am curious to where is the link to info that casey left with caylee on the night of the 15th? it seems everyone assumes this except jwg , her cell pings the anthony tower into the wee am hours and her cell pinged the tower in early morning am ,and jwg places her her on the computer early am,(and marinade dave has her working on the zenaida myspace)(could the culmination of the fight have been “dont rely on me to babysit anymore”,hence the need and motive to fantasize about a nanny)SO ,if casey had left,are you saying catlee didnt at the house?why would she bring her back to house to bury her under the playhouse?wouldnt she have just gone ahead and put her elsewhere ?what would be casey reason for coming back to the house and trying to bury her in the backyard,doesnt make sense,she didnt even bury her pets in her backyard.AND if caylee died at the house why was she temp put under the playhouse?so she could hurry up and run to tony’s why not bag her up and dump her on the way(my apologies to caylee)so she temp put her under the playhouse went to tony’s and leaving her(how well did the pavers cover her?)hidden under the playhose for two days,what??? so for two days dogs cindy and george didnt know?? ok so why did casey do that ??needed time to think about where to put her???ok if you say so. she needed two days to think about movin her up the street.
Maura/JWG- can I ask you to do something in reverse? Show us the holes in the theory that Casey was at home on that computer that morning. Under what set of circumstances, other than the fact the pings have a + or – margin of error for 3 mi radius, could it have been either someone else, or some sort of remote access?
B
Maura, great stuff, thanks for filling in the blanks.
Maura
I live in Andover Lakes area. These are all single family homes- not apartments. Curry Ford is the main drag from where the A’s live up to Waterford Lakes Towne Center (the mall) and where Club Fusion is located. Casey probably traveled this road often therefore passing the Andover Lakes subdivisions on a regular basis.
i remember reading from another site, i am thinking it is marinade dave or the guy from the bald truth—-just cant remember that had a scenario about Casey. that she killed Caylee in the pool or the bathtub, et and then put her under her bed for a short time, moved her to the back yard and then to the dump site. does anyone else remember reading that. at the time it made sense to me that caylee didnt leave the house but that one time and then was in the trunk for a couple of days until Casey put her in the dumpsite. but then that negates Cindy knowing about the death and i think she knew all along and helped Casey.
martha, i saw your comment on the other article,thank you ,i was trying to get back there.but i am not sure when exactly CAYLEE died,(leonard has said 1:30am june 15th i’m not sure how he got that) i think i just narrowed it down to sometime between cindy and caylee swimming sunday night and casey showing up at tony’s for blockbuster monday night,and then i guess there is always a error of margin left for surprise,surprise.but i have always thought cindy knew,when she wrote my caylee is missing from the minute i read it,and i have been looking for evidence from there back,i have suspected that she knew as early as the moment it happened,but i can not back that up,and i am not putting my eggs in that basket at this point,i’m trying to figure it out,but somewhere between it happening and my caylee is missing.
I don’t think she knew at all until Casey filled in the blanks for her when she was out on bail. Cindy would have NEVER acted the way she did when she called 911 and reported the smell of death if she knew for certain that Casey killed her. Once she realized the chances were GREAT- she started the coverup.