Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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susanm – I think you’re right about that shirt/bathing suit comment. It seems to look like something that would look only ‘decent’ if there was a swimsuit underneath with that muck exposed on the sides.
Re: Curry Ford Road
I love the video clip of Casey travels and appreciate the time it took Blink to put it together, but I strongly believe Casey went straight to Tony’s apartment from the Anthony residence on the afternoon of June 16, 2008. I don’t believe she spent any more time on Curry Ford Road than it took her to drive the 1.9 mile leg of the Hopespring Drive-Sutton Place route. The towers she hits on the afternoon of June 16 (from 4:15pm until she hits a tower that serves Tony’s apartment) are towers along the Hopespring-Sutton Place route.
Whenever Casey drove from the Anthony residence at 4937 Hopespring Drive to Tony’s apartment at 3843 Sutton Place Blvd., she would basically leave Hopespring Drive, go north on Chickasaw Trail S for almost two miles, turn west onto Curry Ford for almost two miles, go north on Goldenrod for almost six miles, then make a bunch of little turns to get to Tony’s complex. The Mapquest travel estimates are 20 minutes and 9.83 miles. It’s the same route for shortest time and shortest distance, so this must have been her standard route to Tony’s.
It also is a route that would take her straight through the North Goldenrod/East Colonial (50) intersection where the Amscot at 7501 East Colonial Drive is located. The Amscot would be at the northeast corner of the intersection as she drove north on Goldenrod and crossed East Colonial. While I loved Marinade Dave’s videos and watched the “Amscot” clip last night, he (unfortunately for me) did not enter the Amscot parking lot from the direction Casey would have. He entered the lot as he was driving west on East Colonial, and Casey would have entered the lot as she was driving north on Goldenrod. Casey’s entrance, in other words, would have been a sharp right into the Amscot and then an immediate left into the two parking spaces next to the dumpster. She would not have wound around the parking lot as Dave did in the video clip but would have made a 90 degree turn right into the lot, immediately followed by a 90 degree turn left into the parking space.
On June 16 at 16:15, Casey pinged Anthony Residence Tower #1 (28.5028444 -81.2863333) at 2860 South Goldenrod Rd. (under 2.5 miles NW of Anthony house as the crow flies). She could have been inside the house, backing out of the driveway, or leaving the Chickasaw Oaks subdivision when she pinged that tower at 16:15. I believe she was driving out of the neighborhood and getting on Chickasaw Trail S.
She would have turned right onto Chickasaw Trail S and driven due north for 1.9 miles.
She would then have turned left onto Curry Ford Road, and driven due west for 0.7 miles, then northwest for 0.7 miles.
She would then have turned right onto FL-551/ Goldenrod Rd. and driven north for 5.7 miles.
From 16:19 through 16:22, Casey pinged a tower at 100 Chickasaw Trail South (28.5444 -81.2767472). That tower is about 2.5 miles due north of the intersection of Chickasaw Trail and Curry Ford Road, about 2.0 miles northeast of the intersection of Curry Ford and Goldenrod, and about 1.75 miles south of the intersection of Goldenrod and East Colonial (the Amscot intersection, which is about 2.6 miles south Tony’s apartment).
In other words, she was in range of the Anthony tower at 2860 South Goldenrod Road for her drive on Chickasaw Trail South and in range of the tower at 100 Chickasaw Trail South for all of her time on Curry Ford and most of her time on North Goldenrod.
At 16:25, Casey pinged Tony Tower #3 (28.5653389 -81.2958361) at 6817 Old Cheney Hwy (about 2.5 miles south of TL’s apartment and ALSO about 1 mile west of Amscot as the crow flies).
That tower is four miles (as the crow flies) from the intersection of Curry Ford Road and Goldenrod, so if Casey was driving to Tony’s apartment when she left the Anthony residence (as I believe she was), she was too far away from the Curry Ford leg of the route to hit that tower.
If Casey had continued on Curry Ford until she reached Semoran Blvd. (the road on which Gentiva is located), she would have been at the closest point on Curry Ford to the tower at Old Cheney Highway (just barely inside the three-mile radius of the tower).
Is there any reason why she would have taken Curry Ford as far as Semoran? She was trying to reach Cindy’s cell as she was driving, and at 4:25pm, Cindy still had about 30 minutes left of her shift at Gentiva. Casey was unable to reach Cindy at that time, and tried Cindy’s cell again at 6:31pm and 6:32pm before (likely) leaving a 17-second message on the landline at 6:33pm and finally (likely) reaching Cindy on the landline at 7:06pm for an 83-second conversation (I’m working late, and we’re staying overnight with Zanny). I don’t believe Casey was driving to Gentiva to see Cindy (Caylee was probably dead by then, and Casey wasn’t going to show up without Caylee).
I don’t believe Casey drove on Curry Ford any longer than the short stretch between Chickasaw and Goldenrod (a little less than two miles).
When Casey pinged the tower at Old Cheney Hwy at 4:25pm, she was within 2.5 miles of Tony’s apartment. She hits that tower many times when it’s clear she is inside the apartment, and I believe she was still on her way to his place and within a mile or so of the Goldenrod/East Colonial intersection and arrived within about five minutes.
We know they went to Blockbuster around 8:00pm and then returned to the apartment to watch both movies. Casey did not call Tony after 4:19pm, and her calls from 4:25pm on for the rest of the night hit all three towers within range of his apartment, including the Old Cheney Hwy tower at the exact time (for three pings) that Casey and Tony would have been watching the movies they just rented.
Tower #1 (28.5993583 -81.30325) at 98 Purlieu Pl, 32792 (about ½ mile NW of apartment as the crow flies)
Tower #2 (28.6039167 -81.2876111) at 4490 N Goldenrod Rd, 32792 (about ½ mile NNE of apartment as the crow flies)
Tower #3 (28.5653389 -81.2958361) at 6817 Old Cheney Hwy, 32807 (about 2.5 miles S of apartment and about 1 mile west of Amscot as the crow flies)
Her pings support the theory that she left the residence around 4:10pm and arrived at Tony’s around 4:30pm. Her two incoming text messages from unknown callers at 4:53pm and 5:57pm were unanswered. It could be that she and Tony were in the kitchen making dinner, so she ignored the messages. By 6:30pm, they had cleaned up, and she was ready to try Cindy’s cell at 6:31pm.
Hey Kleat-My guess is in that picture of “Zenaida” and her sister, I’ll bet she is holding the infamous “script” that Casey was suppose to follow. ha,ha
Very interesting trivia. But, I think you are giving her waaayyy to much credit.
referenceing post #693.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ1WWOCeuVs at %) at 50 secs is an envelope with remainder of heart sticker,it was sent to caylee by shirley(you can see plesea in the return address),check this out:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_the_Explorer –dora delivers a envelope ,stickers to swiper sent by his grandmother.they can get fingerprints off that envelope cant they?they can tell which sheet of stickers that one came from im sure ,i bet its the envelope.
opinion: will the jury see the Casey reaction video, and how damaging do you think that will be?
Yes, Zenaida had New Jersey relatives, and yes, they were VERY wealthy. Zenaide Bonaparte was the daughter of Napoleon’s elder brother Joseph.
(Here is a link to David’s painting of Zenaide and Charlotte at the Getty which can be enlarged and there is a short description of the painting, including the fact that the letter Zenaide holds in her hand, is from her father Joseph, who was exiled to the USA. http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObjectDetails?artobj=923 )
Joseph had worn a few hats (or crowns), he was a trained lawyer, diplomat, King of Naples, Count of Survilliers. Joseph and his wife, Julia, became King and Queen of Spain. That didn’t go so well for him and after Napoleon’s Waterloo, he was exiled to the states, first in New York City and Philadelphia. He entertained at his house, many of the famous ex-pats from Napoleonic Europe. Apparently French adventurers, guerilla leaders, visited him and offered Joseph the Mexican throne but Joseph refused. Joseph later moved to an estate in Bordentown, New Jersey. Joseph entertained famous Americans also, including ‘to be’ pres. J.Q. Adams.
Zenaide’s mother, Julia, had poor health and did not accompany her husband to the states, however daughters Zenaide and Charlotte accompanied their father. Joseph built a house for Zenaide and her husband.
Joseph also had two children born in the states, so Zenaide had American citizens as blood relatives, if not by marriage.
Zenaida G. and her sister visited Casey and Caylee in ” J. Blanchard Park”.
Zenaide’s father’s estate was said in one reference, to be referred to as “Joseph Bonaparte Park”.
There’s an American history connection, something a high school history student might read about, a princess named Zenaide (French spelling for ‘Zenaida’), New Jersey, wealthy, has a sister, father built her a house, Princess Zenaide was married (no mention of children she might have had– not found yet anyway), Princess Zenaide wore a crown in a portrait by a most famous of 19th century artists, Zenaide was the niece of the infamous Napoleon Bonaparte.
Trivia– but interesting.
This is the Scoops nightclub. It’s near UCF and nowhere near Casey’s June 16 pings.
Knightly Scoop
11726 E. Colonial Dr.
Orlando, FL 32817
Zenaide = Zenaida is confirmed by Princess Zenaide’s husband Prince Charles’ naming of the genus of the bird species that we know as ‘Zenaida’, of which, the ‘Mourning Dove’ (not ‘morning’) is a common species found throughout the states, including Florida.
What does the ‘J.’ stand for in J. Blanchard Park, I wonder? Anyone?
PS:
I think Leonard will enjoy this little bit of trivia because Joseph Bonaparte’s estate that was referred to as Joseph Bonapart Park, was on the Delaware River. It’s not the Little Econ, but J. Blanchard Park is on a river too. And a favourite place of Caylee’s– to walk along the river.
Blink, I just heard that the report from Casey’s car came back and there were no food items in there that would cause any smell that came from the trunk of the car. So how does Baez lie around another fact of evidence?
ok– not sure if Zenaida actually accompanied her father as ‘at the same time’, just to ‘clarify’, for those sticklers out there. Not that it matters, she did follow and did live in the states.
Whoa kleat, feeling cynical today? Yeah, me too. Love the trivia references. LOL
Anyone have any recent info. on the break-in at ZG’s office on June 9th 08′?? Still having trouble locating any info. Thanks.
#596 – the broken lock was told when george reported the missing gas cans and also I am pretty sure that Tony said they broke the lock
J. = Jay in J. Blanchard Park. But it’s also referred to commonly as ” J.” as far as I can see. But this OC source looks like it should be correct:
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/dept/cesrvcs/parks/ParkDetails.asp?ParkID=8
#524-boz she doesn’t have a soul. i saw what garbage they took out of the car.i hope she enjoyed the pizza,while the childs remains were in the trunk. the anthonies give the human species a bad name.thank god i never had parents like $indy and gas cans george
boo, not cynical– but needing to think a bit ‘out of the box’ for a bit as a ‘break’ from the docstuff.
nickel, I haven’t found much on that either, but check UFC in your searches.
JWG –
You’ve done more work on the phone records than anyone I know, and you have more records than I do. What do you make of the following?
The Anthony landline call records in released discovery pages 2590-2599 appear to be the monthly billing statement for 407-275-4909 covering the service period June 15 through July 4. There is an AT&T error in those records that may be significant to the investigation since the error is in the records for Sunday, June 15, 2008 and may indicate additional errors in the records (and maybe a big error for June 16, 2008 involving the Anthony landline communication with Casey’s cell phone).
I am going by the 150-page A1.xls records of Casey’s AT&T cell activity from June 1-July 17 for Casey’s activity.
On Sunday, June 15 at 15:35, the Anthony landline called Casey’s cell phone. Cindy must have made the call, since LE confirmed that George worked 3-11. Casey was at Tony’s per her tower ping. She let the call go into voicemail and immediately retrieved it.
For that call on June 15:
The Anthony landline record shows a call placed to Casey’s cell phone at 15:35:32 that lasted 0.57 minutes (34 seconds). Casey’s cell number is correctly listed as 407-619-9286 on the landline statement.
Casey’s AT&T originals show that Casey called the Cingular Voicemail Retrieval number at 15:35:26 and picked up a 37-second message that had been placed from the Anthony landline.
Those records match.
Then Casey’s AT&T originals indicate she called the Anthony landline at 17:06:00 for 208 seconds (3.47 minutes).
But the Anthony landline records show that a call was taken at 17:06:00 from 407-766-9994 that lasted 3.47 minutes. The landline statement should show the calling number as 407-619-9286, Casey’s cell. So the Anthony’s AT&T statement shows the correct time and duration of Casey’s call, but does not show the correct number.
The LEO assigned to identify and mark calls from Casey missed it (on the statement) because the billing statement does not correctly show that the call came from Casey’s cell phone. There is nothing on Google to indicate who owns 407-766-9994.
There is definitely a billing error, and it appears to be on the Anthony landline statement.
The reason I noticed the error is that on June 16, 2008 at 7:45am, Casey’s AT&T records show that she retrieved a voicemail that had been placed from the Anthony landline. I cannot see on the Anthony landline records when that call was made to Casey’s cell phone since according to the landline records, the only call placed from the Anthony landline to Casey’s cell on June 15 and June 16 was the June 15 call at 15:35 that Casey immediately retrieved from voicemail.
It could be that another call was placed to Casey’s cell phone between June 15 at 15:35 and June 16 at 7:45, but that call is not showing up on the Anthony landline records that I have (it’s clearly an unredacted monthly statement because the incoming and outgoing calls are numbered, and there are no missing numbers for June 15 and 16).
So who placed the call from the Anthony landline that Casey retrieved at 7:45am on June 16 and when was that call placed from the Anthony landline?
Another curiosity about that June 16 voicemail retrieval at 7:45am is that the duration is only one (1) second on Casey’s cell records.
I’ve read the explanation that Casey used the landline to call her own cell because she couldn’t find it (even though she had used it only four hours earlier before she turned in for the night). That’s possible, and if the landline monthly statement (as Lily explained upthread) only shows calls that lasted at least six seconds, then we have an explanation for the “missing” landline outgoing call. Since that outgoing call went into voicemail, I assume that would mean Casey’s cell was turned off and didn’t ring. But then she located the phone the hard way and deleted the (empty) voicemail she had inadvertently left for herself. I would love a phone maven to confirm that the records from the landline and Casey’s cell would support this explanation.
But since there is clearly an error on the landline statement, what I’m wondering is this . . . If Cindy and Casey did have a fight on the night of June 15, a fight that perhaps occurred when George was at work, then maybe Cindy left Casey a voicemail before she went to work because she wanted to say something to Casey but didn’t want George to know what she was saying. If that happened, the outgoing call is missing from the landline statement, and the one-second retrieval might indicate that Casey refused to listen to the message as soon as she heard the caller’s voice. If a message had been left from the landline and was 45 seconds long, but Casey deleted the voicemail the instant she heard the caller’s voice, would Casey’s billing records show a 45-second voicemail or only the 1-second retrieval?
boo, if (IF) Casey enjoyed thinking of herself living some fantasy adventures as maybe Zanny the Nanny stories, and if she had learned about Joseph Bonaparte and his Princess daughter, Zenaide, she might like pretending as a youngster, that she was a princess and in a favourite place to go, could pretend that Blanchard Park was Bonaparte Park, her very own estate on the river, on which she and her husband have a house.
If you want to have some pretend fantasy’s to escape your own home, have a ‘place’ of your very own, this seems like a great place to ‘visit’ and become your favourite character.
capebretoner, Casey didn’t ‘create’ that garbage herself, she didn’t eat the pizza while in the car etc. Read the transcripts from Tony and Tony’s roommate. Much of that was what was already in ‘their’ garbage to be put out to be collected.
Although I have never seen the tv series ‘one tree hill’, the episode that was researched by Casey dealing with a nanny kidnapping, do you all think that the extreme similarities will be admissible in court?
(afterall.. following #718, if Lee could pretend to be Darth Vader, and Caylee could dress up as Princess Leah, Casey could have her very own character as a Princess too… Princess Zenaida)
696 capebretoner
Casey and Tony didn’t break the shed door. The door was locked with a padlock, and Tony said he used the tire iron from his Jeep to break the padlock. George said he found the shed broken into (which was true) and said the broken padlock was on the floor of the shed inside the door. Then he noticed the missing gas cans.
708 Kleat
Jay Blanchard Park
710 Todd
There was food residue inside the trash bag. No it isn’t enough food to account for the odor, but there were traces of food on the packages in the trash bag, and Yuri Melich said the bag had an odor. However, he said the odor from the trash bag was distictly different from the odor in the car.
Yuri Melich’s investigative report, page 17, set 1 of November 26 discovery documents:
Once Investigator McBryde arrived with the trash bag, CSI Bloise emptied the bag’s contents to see what was inside. Although there were food items inside, as well as small flies and maggots, the smell from the trash was distinctively different from the smell coming from within the car. The trash did not smell like the inside of the car, but the odor of decomposition did carry over to the trash bag. Note that the trash bag contained a pizza box, but no pizza.
FYI – Page 2 of the Body Farm’s report stated there was no pizza in the trunk of the car, but the Body Farm nevertheless tested a slice of mushroom and pepperoni pizza, so that must be the kind of pizza purchased.
What will the defense do? They will claim that all organic matter decomposes and the process of decomposition is smelly. They will try to tell the jury (IMO) that it isn’t possible to distiguish between the odor of a decomposing human corpse from the odor of other organic materials because decomp is decomp. Here’s a hint of what’s to come:
Dr. Lee on Nancy Grace’s November 17 show gave the following information about the contents of the bag:
Nancy asked him what was in the trunk that could have caused the smell of decomposition:
GRACE: Like what?
LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.
GRACE: Dr. Henry Lee, you stated that there was a lot of garbage in the car. Did I understand you correctly to say meat and cheese were in the car?
LEE: Box of — you know, those (INAUDIBLE) frozen foods. So have some food residue there. But we did find a lot of maggots, insect activity and fungus growing. But you know, it`s a lot of (INAUDIBLE) information have to digest before we reach any conclusion.
GRACE: And Dr. Lee, you said frozen food? Such as what?
LEE: Frozen food boxes. You know, those packages.
GRACE: Frozen food boxes. Was there food inside of it?
LEE: Well, because right now, I can`t really say too much about what we looked at, what we found, OK?
****
However, cadaver dogs are trained to hit on two chemicals released in human decomposition: cadaverine and putrescine. On August 4, 2008, Nancy Grace said a cadaver dog (on July 17) had hit on the Pontiac in the trunk over the right rear tag light; black lights revealed a stain and hair at the area the dog alerted on.
The defense is going to try to get past that by attacking the accuracy of the dogs used for the car search (and yard search). On August 14, 2008, Baez filed a motion to obtain all available information regarding the cadaver dogs used to search the home and car. He specifically wanted their training records and work records.
Kleat
You’ve gone off the deep end , my friend. LOL!
Soooooo….rumor has it Lee got Tara Hawkins pregnant (now ex-wife) of Mark Hawkins.(in Lee’s alledged BLOG #557 is the link) she was rumored to go back to Mark at that time and got an abortion…which did not sit well with Lee at that time…now as for Mark and Casey? You listen and be the judge….from a jail visit with Casey & mom & dad..Casey does not care for Tara.. and it gets quite interesting the conversation….
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=49674244
On June 9, 2008, a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez, a blogger on the Brevard County Moms website, had her computer stolen when her office was robbed.
Casey never left Orange County per her cell records.
Saturday, June 7:
Casey was up at 8:26am, trading texts with Tony. She remained in the area of the Anthony home until 2:34pm.
At 2:34pm, Casey was driving out of the subdivision when she called the Anthony landline and left a 47-second message. At 2:40pm, she called Cindy’s cell (2 seconds) from just below the 417 and 408 intersection on her way to Tony’s. At 3:06pm, she retrieved a voicemail from Cindy’s cell (25 seconds). She was either checking to see when Cindy and George would be back from their trip to Cocoa Beach or letting them know that she was going to work and Caylee was going to Zanny’s.
From 3:06pm until 8:40pm, she was in the vicinity of Tony’s apartment.
By 8:45pm, she was at JP’s condo. Casey and Caylee stayed overnight with Ricardo. At 11:13pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell for a 384-second conversation (6.4 minutes), probably to let Cindy know she and Caylee were at Zanny’s and staying the night. Casey stayed up until 5:42am, trading texts with Tony all night.
Sunday, June 8:
At 10:59am, Casey called the landline (98 seconds), still pinging a JP tower. At 11:01am, the landline called Casey (100 seconds). Casey and Caylee stayed with Ricardo at JP’s condo until around 1:00pm.
At 1:29pm, Casey and Caylee were back at the Anthony house, and Casey pinged Anthony towers for 217 texts and calls until 4:34am. None of those 217 calls were from Cindy, so Casey must have been home.
Monday, June 9:
Cindy was back to work (approximately 7:30am to 5:30 pm). Casey and Caylee were in the area of the Anthony house until 5:00pm. At 4:59pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell for 74 seconds. At 5:01pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell again for 3 seconds. At 5:01pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell for the third time in a row and talked to her for 72 seconds.
By the third call to Cindy, Casey and Caylee were out of the house and pinging a tower at 5809 Curry Ford Rd. Cindy called Casey at 5:42pm for 340 seconds (5.67 minutes), at which time Casey was hitting a tower in the immediate vicinity of JP’s condo.
Casey and Caylee stayed overnight again with Ricardo. Casey exchanged calls and texts with Tony from about 6:00pm until 2:27am with a few long breaks. At 11:04pm, IP address 97.101.178.124 was used to download “Drama Masks” to Casey’s Photobucket account. Ricardo said this was the last night he and Casey were intimate, which possibly explains the long breaks in Casey’s textfest with Tony that night.
Tuesday, June 10:
Cindy was back to work (approximately 7:30am to 5:30 pm). Casey was up at 6:53am sending a text to Tony, pinging a JP tower. Casey and Caylee left Ricardo’s apartment sometime around late morning. This was last day Amy and Ricardo can confirm seeing Caylee.
By 11:52am, Casey was hitting a tower that serves Tony’s apartment. Casey and Caylee picked Tony up at Full Sail and drove Tony to the mechanic to pick up his jeep; afterward all three went to Subway for sandwiches and drove back to Tony’s for lunch.
At 4:29pm, Casey and Caylee were back at the Anthony house. Casey used the phone heavily (180 calls and texts), pinging Anthony towers, until her phone went dead at 4:39am.
In other words, Casey Anthony did not steal the computer of the woman in Brevard County whose name is Zenaida Gonzalez. I mentioned in an earlier comment that WFTV said they found over 400 women in Florida named Zenaida Gonzalez.
Maura
Are you saying that the Semoran and Aloma location is definitively Tony’s apartment ? Because that’s where she was the rest of the night.
I’m not getting why there are no specific pings (on the ping log), but Agent Moore marks 1757 hours as the end of the journey and where she stays until June 17th at 1418 hours.
Did you find out how he came up with this time? Did he establish Semoran and aloma because they are between 2 of the towers you mentioned, or is there a Semoran & Aloma tower specifically?
PS
Don’t yell at me.
Hey, it’s Friday night! Shouldn’t we all be going to the Fusion nightclub in Orlando looking for the Nanny? See you there.
Thanks Kleat:) Do you find it odd that there is no further info on that?? Maybe for a good reason…
Other than one or two serial killer cases where the perp used cryptic numerology or messages to taunt LE and the public – I just don’t see the value in looking for hidden clues in the facts. This is MOO so please don’t flame me but Casey was/is a narcissistic, immature, uneducated, lazy brat. Jealousy brought her to this dark place. Some are giving her way more credit than she ever deserved or deserves. Show me a notorious case and I will show you creepy circumstantial incidences where the dates/numbers, the names or places add up to make it seem like there was a whole thriller novel written beforehand and the main character played them out to some sort of cliffhanger ending. I truly believe she made it up as she went along and was so incredibly narcissistic she didn’t believe that it would have a bad ending for her. Hopefully it will. That is the only satisfaction any of us will ever get. Even with knowing that O.J. Simpson is in jail there still isn’t the justice that everyone wanted because he’s not there for what he really should be there for. If somehow this trial ends the same way that one did it will always feel like a betrayal.
In one of Mark Furhman’s interviews he said her spoke to a neighbor who was in earshot of the home who said he heard an argument that Fathers Day Weekend. Furhman kept saying “He”. Who is this particular neighbor??
Correction to my last post:
It was June 9 that Casey and Caylee helped Tony pick up his Jeep at Tom’s Auto Repair, not June 10.
Ducket…Lee is friends with the Ducket guy? There was a computer search also for missing children? Was the mi$$ing kid thing in motion for awhile? I still hear George telling Casey sooo early on in a jail visit that they were part of a new club now for LIFE..almost gleefully..like he wa$ proud to have a new job?
You know your ‘lil helpless toddler has been missing for far too long when you can’t remember the date of the last time you saw her (June 9th, I mean 16th) or what time you dropped her off (somewhere between 9am and 1pm). Every time I think of this – I just get angrier. Its Friday and soon it will be time for a glass of wine!
WSH– could be!! Creativity…. gotta think outside the box… Casey DID say New Jersey connections…. didn’t she…
But then Tony had NJ connections too… could be as simple as that. Or maybe Casey did skip out into a fantasy world to take herself away from things.
Just having a little ‘trivia’ exploring for fun… you can link almost anything, can’t you!
imo-casey never thought in a million years that the car would end up in anthonies garage. on the 27 of june she told amy that she took care of the smell.what did she mean by that,was it the time she dumped the poor child body in the woods and abandoned the car at amscott on the 27 of june.was she hoping that the car would vanish off the face of the planet,it might of,if she had taking the TAGS off the car. if casey had removed the license plates from the car.the impound yard would of never of known who owned the vehicle,and the anthonies would never got the notice. i’m glad that casey didn’t know anything about the ownership of a vehicle. she maybe good at cheque fraud and lying and sluting around. but she’s not very good at getting rid of part of the crime scene. george knew it was a crime scene as soon as he smelled the car.he said it himself in his transcripts.i think he said um don’t move it um don’t touch it.the guy at the impound yard said they had a car there that smelled similiar.but the guy didn’t know that there was a child missing.he didn’t put 2 and 2 together.as soon as the car returns home,thats when the cover up begins. the house and the car are cleaned of all evidence.thats what they think. caseys resume,work experience[nanny]hahaha thats funny,i wonder who she used as a reference. in my heart i think god and caylee were looking after that car.to make sure that it wasn’t destroyed. god love you caylee. you’ll get your justice. nobody deserves this
Comment by boz — August 14, 2009 @ 2:00 pm
Hey, it’s Friday night! Shouldn’t we all be going to the Fusion nightclub in Orlando looking for the Nanny? See you there.
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hey boz, it’s not an “anything but clothes” party, is it?
sorry about my grammer and spellings i suck
Maura – I look forward to your posts everyday! I can’t wait for you to fill in the little details like, 5:39p Casey turned left on Chickasaw while apply a fresh coat of lip gloss. 5:50p Casey was seen at the drive-thru ordering a small diet coke and large fries. 6:59p Casey sneezed while dusting the end table in Tony’s apartment. LOL
That was a bit of sarcasm but truly you have such a great way of organizing and presenting the facts so well it almost seems like I’m actually there. Thanks so much.
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What I am saying is that from 1757 on June 16 to 1418 on June 17, Casey was continiously pinging the three towers that she hits when she is at Tony’s apartment, and she pinged all three towers (which surround the apartment) in no particular pattern. The randomness of the pings and the fact that we know she was watching two rented movies with Tony that night means she was in his apartment.
She begins to ping those “Tony” towers at 1625.
I don’t know what ping log you are referring to. I looked at Agent Moore’s summary (which is glaringly wrong IMO on June 17 given that she was using the laptop and creating the nursing home video file on the laptop exactly when he said she was moving southwesterly).
The specific pings for the time ranges Moore refers to have to be looked up on her AT&T records (the original ones that include the longitude and latitude of each tower she pings).
When Casey isn’t using the phone for a call or SMS (any activity involving a tower), we don’t know where she is except in reference to her previous ping and her next future ping.
Example 1: If at 1:00pm, Casey pings the main tower that serves Tony’s complex and then there is a one-hour gap in phone activity before her next ping at that same tower at 2:00pm, it’s a reasonable assumption that she didn’t leave Tony’s apartment, but it’s still an assumption. Technically, she had time to drive to JP’s, stay for 40 minutes, and get back to Tony’s during that hour of no phone activity.
Example 2: If at 1:00pm, Casey pings the main tower that serves Tony’s complex and then there is a one-hour gap in phone activity before her next ping at the main tower that serves JP’s apartment at 2:00pm, there are lots of possibilities for what may have happened during the gap. It could be that she stayed at Tony’s until 1:50pm and went straight to JP’s. It could be that she left Tony’s and went straight to JP’s immediately after the 1:00pm cell use. Or it could be that she left Tony’s, went grocery shopping, and then drove to JP’s.
When there are gaps in activity, we only have a rough idea of where she could be, and that rough idea is based on the last ping before the period of inactivity.
But keep in mind that when Agent Moore wrote his cell phone report and created the daily ping summaries, he was doing so to provide OCSO with targeted areas in which to search for Caylee. He was looking for dead times to let OCSO and Texas Equusearch know where to search for Caylee’s body. If Casey had GPS on her phone or in her car, LE would have know exactly where she was every minute. But she has a more limited cell phone, such that to try to guess where she is, you have to play connect-the-dots between pings (and she only pings a tower when she is using the phone for a call or SMS) and look at the timing between pings to determine if she is treading water in a particular area or if she is on the road and driving somewhere. And the information is limited enough that a good deal of guesswork is involved.
Agent Moore put a lot of work into the ping reports, and I don’t want to diminish the work he did, but a criticism I have of his summaries is that he doesn’t seem to realize that Casey can hit three cell towers when she is at Tony’s apartment and three towers when she is at the Anthony house (four actually, but the fourth is very rarely hit). Because he does not appear to have noticed that Casey hits three towers at Tony’s, he is assuming that if she isn’t hitting the tower at Purlieu Place (the tower north of his apartment that she hits most often from Tony’s), that she hasn’t settled down for the night and is still on the move.
IMO he came up with the time because he didn’t realize she could hit the tower at Old Cheney Hwy towers when she is sitting on Tony’s couch. When she hit the Old Cheney Hwy tower at 16:53pm, he did not consider that she could be inside Tony’s apartment, so he believed she was still on the move. By 17:57, she was hitting a tower only about 1/2 mile from Tony’s, but since she continued to hit the three towers at the following locations all night,
Tower #1 (28.5993583 -81.30325) at 98 Purlieu Pl, 32792 (about ½ mile NW of apartment as the crow flies)
Tower #2 (28.6039167 -81.2876111) at 4490 N Goldenrod Rd, 32792 (about ½ mile NNE of apartment as the crow flies)
Tower #3 (28.5653389 -81.2958361) at 6817 Old Cheney Hwy, 32807 (about 2.5 miles S of apartment and about 1 mile west of Amscot as the crow flies)
he wouldn’t say anything more definite than that she was in the area of Semoran and Aloma (which is the vicinity of Tony’s apartment complex).
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Jean Couty is the guy who lives across the street from the Anthonys. His interview transcript has been released, and he did not say he heard an argument on Father’s Day weekend.
Couty lives across the street from the Anthonys and told LE he believed one of the two arguments he overheard between Cindy and Casey took place in May, probably around the end of May. He said the other argument he overheard could have taken place about a month before that, but he not sure [and frankly, he seemed to be guesstimating relative to news reports saying Caylee went missing around mid-June].
The two arguments he witnessed occurred when Casey and Cindy were in the driveway of the Anthony house. Couty said he was washing his car during one argument and had just finished cutting the grass during the other one. He is seldom at home during the week, so he was fairly sure the arguments occurred different weekends. He said Casey was doing the yelling and Cindy was silent. During one argument, Casey said to Cindy, “Fuck you. Just shut up, Mom. I don’t want to hear it anymore.” Then Casey went for a jog. The other time, Couty wasn’t listening to the gist of Casey’s ranting, but Casey got into her car and drove away at the end, leaving Cindy in the driveway.
Couty said he had not discussed the arguments with any neighbors and was unaware of any neighbors who may have overheard those or other arguments. He is the only neighbor I am aware of who provided a statement to LE about arguments between Casey and any family member.
capebretoner – perfect spelling and grammar are not required here (right, Blink?). No apologies. And no, you don’t suck! I am lucky that my Macbook automatically highlights things that don’t look right. But my old laptop didn’t and some of my posts were pretty funny when I look back. I like your posts – keep posting.
# 742-Excellent Maura…THANK YOU.
I was confused before. Now it appears much clearer (after your explanation) how LE narrowed the time line down with Caylee’s death.
Also, Maura
I wasn’t being specific in my first note. I meant that the ping time of
1757 wasn’t shown specifically on June 16th record, or at least I never saw one…that’s why I didn’t know why he picked that as a starting point.
But I understand where she was and that is what I wwanted to know that you had already answered.
Kleat
I was only teasing you!
Thanks Maura, yes I read the transcript from Jean Couty. I know he was not specific about when he heard the arguments. That is why when I saw Mark Furhmans statement I thought their was another neighbor who reported something different or had an exact statement to that account of the Fathers Day Weekend.
I thought maybe it was yet another person whose transcript we have not seen. I see one should not listen to the news media, they never get it right. It is a shame.
#594-todd i know george knew right away,he wasn’t sure who.untill they from the scum that killed her
#719 kleat I see your point. Casey definately lives in a fantasy world, so does dora the explorer with her magic backpack map etc. Casey imagines or makes up her entire existence. I also was informed by susanm that she posted movie currently watching as “american psyhco” on her my space on 7/7/08 with her end of days comment. Have you seen that movie? Guy brutally kills many people and then at the end he calls police to confess and they inform him it never happened. All his fantasies. Creepy
capebretoner #738 – They still would have been able to trace the car without the tags by using the vin # which is on a couple places on the vehicle (top of the dashboard on the drivers side visible through the windshield and on the frame of the car inside the drivers door. If I am not mistaken, it can also be found somewhere in the engine.) So, short of burning the car, they would have traced it to the Ants.