Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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IMO, George did not lie, he left for work shortly after seeing Casey and Caylee leave. Casey just circled back after he left for work.
85 Blink
Thank you for your response, but it is not the equivalent of driving three miles in a minute. It means the first ping was at the edge of the three-mile range of one tower, and the next ping one-minute later was picked up by a tower within three miles of the direction she was heading in. That is why Moore indicated that the second ping indicates “movement.”
But it might be. On that you must concede. Or not. Your a brilliant poster in this case anyway.
Heart.
B
I noticed OCSO was always asking everyone “was geo around”? Clueless george
suep, why do you feel that George did not lie about seeing the two leave on the 16th?
Sunday, June 15
Casey’s cell phone pings show she was home in the morning but went to Tony’s from 9:15am and did not return until 7:36pm.
Cindy brought Caylee to nursing home on Father’s Day to see Alex Plesea (Nikon Coolpix Memory Card confirmation and nursing home sign-in confirmation; video of Caylee taken with camera time-stamped 11:26am-12:03pm. Then Cindy and Caylee went to Cindy’s mother’s house (Shirley Plesea) in the early afternoon to eat. Cindy recalled that they returned to Anthony house around 4:00p.
Cindy’s Epass records show she and Caylee were hitting the first toll on the way to Mount Dora at 9:27am and hitting the last toll on the way back at 2:33pm, so they were home around 2:45pm.
Cindy and Casey were both out of the house around 9:15am. The Anthony landline records show calls made around 10:40am to a Fort Myers number, where George’s parents live, so George was home and probably making a Father’s Day call to his own father.
George worked the 3-11 shift on Father’s Day (confirmed by LE).
Maura and Blink, couldn’t a call be from a stationary phone and in a certain time period of heavy use, the calls would be transferred to another overlapping signal tower?
I’m betting that LE is not simply relying on the theory and records, but they could also check the pings on the tracking of the Anthony cell phones and even set up their own tests to see if an alternate tower near the Anthony home, would pick up, as we seem to see in the 1 pm tower ping on the 16th. They were also in and around the home enough to run tests on the ‘cell’ system. I’d bet the defense would be doing just that to debunk whatever the prosecution is banking on.
I keep looking for facts in this case to prove things to me. I have sit in enough jury boxes to know sometimes the facts aren’t black & white. And sometimes you have to leave at the end of the day knowing you will never know the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. You can only judge on what evidence you have to judge with and the parameters of the law you are allowed to use to make your judgement.
We will in all probability never find the truth of the particulars of Caylee’s death. When, and how, come to mind quickly. Thankfully those two answers are not needed to convict the killer. Anyone can see the who and the why. It’s been proven already and we all doubt any attorney can come up with any picture to paint that would sway us or a jury to see differently.
Most of the dump today was old stuff; except for a few things. The pings of phones were put in language we could all understand/ reason out. We see a blank page with a fingerprint. Silver will have to tell us if the State Attorney’s Office is playing a mind game with the defense with that one. I was not in the least impressed with the 3D flyover/passover/whatever. We are living in the age of action packed video games. That reminded me of a school kids presentation. (Sorry).
We see the same pictures of Tony and roomies trash taken from the trunk. Those were in the first or second doc dump. We see pages of text messages but have no idea who’s saying what lol.
What am I getting at here? Maura’s puzzle. I did have a piece of the puzzle answered for me today. Casey did not kill that darling baby on the 16th. UNLESS, Cindy and George were absolutely not going to babysit her at night anymore. Maybe that’s the night Caylee sedated her and put her in the trunk of her car so she could spend the night with Tony. Just my thoughts after becoming so saddened by the sheer enormity of the lack of remorse from Casey or her parents for never pleading with a kidnapper to bring little Caylee home. With worldwide media attention. Never once.
mulliganville, I don’t think the idea is George as a conspirator in what happened to the baby, not at all. Protecting Casey, yes, how much he knew and when he knew it is up for discussion– Silverspnr has made a point in that last post of hers, that seems to imply George knew the baby was missing. I bet we will hear an argument to support that in the near future.
It’s been a long day. I should be in bed, sleeping… but here I am, appreciating, yet again, how much time and thought and emotion have been brought to the table on this site in honor of a beautiful child.
As a parent,I can only hope that such caring, kind, well-intentioned people, as those who congregate here, would care this much if, Heaven forbid, something were to happen to one of my own (or to me such that I could not be here to watch over them).
Now that we can see Casey’s cell phone records for June 16, 2008, let us go back and take a look at George’s July 15, 2008 statement about the alleged kidnapping of Caylee. (and I will even give him a break on the date (being incorrect issue, which we have already discussed here at length).
Ask yourself if what George says is compatible with your common sense about how a (custodial) grandfather (particularly someone with a LE back round) would give a statement to LE about the alleged KIDNAPPING of his beloved grand daughter.
Orange County Sheriff’s Office (Case 08-69208)
Date of Affidavit; 07/15/08 22:16
Offense: Kidnapping
Date of Offense; 06/09/08
Subject; Fernandez-Gonzales, Zenaida
Location; 2863 S. Conway Rd #210 Orlando FL 32812
I, George A. Anthony do hereby voluntarily make the following statement without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor by any persons whomsoever.
On July 15, 2008 at approximately 2005PM my spouse (Cindy) called my cell phone. I immediately attempted to return her call, and only got her voice mail. I called our land line #, and also got a voice mail. I immediately then called my son, Lee told him I would appreciate him checking on his mom. Told him briefly about Casey again, and Mom & I are upset. At 2035PM, I finally got a hold of my spouse by cell, and she asked when I would be home. I told her I would be home about 10-10:30 P.M.
Arriving at 950PM, my spouse was in our garage crying, upset & told me that Caylee Marie (our grand daughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany.
I inquired to my spouse about Orange County Sheriff being called, and I was told they were contacted at 830PM.
As to this statement, my grand daughter – Caylee Marie Anthony, age 3 has been missing. What I mean, I have not seen her or heard her voice since June 9, 2008. My daughter, Casey, Caylee’s mother has been very vague for a month, each time we have asked to speak, see her or ask where she is at, my daughter would always have a different answer.
My grand daughter will be 3 yrs old, August 9, 2008.
End of Statement.
Ask yourself what his statement is truly about? (what information is he providing to LE that has to do with Caylee being “missing”/”kidnapped”?)
Ask yourself if his statement even jives with how George was recorded on the 3rd 911 call. (When/where/etc did he first allegedly learn from Cindy that Caylee was “missing”/”kidnapped”?)
Blink- Sorry if my last post was cryptic. Either George had no clue that Caylee had been “missing” for a month AT ALL… OR… he KNEW she was “missing” and his “what?” was an act, and a bad one at that.
Many possibilities spring forth, but what is apparent from his statement on that night is that he is attempting to divert attention from either a)what he knows, OR b) the fact that he knows nothing.
If, as Boo suggests, he did not live there (which is a possibility), why did he lie to LE and pretend that he did (and hence saw them off at 12:50 p.m. on 6/16/08?)
If he DID live there,(which is another possibility), why did he lie to LE and pretend that he saw them off to work at 12:50 p.m. on 6/16/08??
Why is George being ANYTHING but TRUTHFUL at this early date (if he truly believed that Caylee could still be ALIVE/FOUND/BROUGHT BACK HOME).
I have heard rumors that I will not post here because they cannot be verified that make me doubt George was there, but I am willing to concede there is no evidence to suggest he was not. I can also tell you LE believed that story of George seeing them off initially, so I have to think they checked his work record for that day, etc. The problem is we all seem to agree that this entire family has lied in their accounts for reasons known only to them. I am never going to get past that. They picked up a car which clearly had a dead individual in it and they both knew that. To me, the only true reactions from these people came from that evening on the overheard 911 calls. George had no idea who “Zanny” was, so Cindy says “the babysitter”.
On the eve of Precious Baby Caylee’s 4th Earthly Birthday, I am just as perplexed as ever at the astonishing disregard for the dignity of the baby that lay in the back of that car. How have they seperated the love they had for her when she was alive and the ability to flat out lie to protect the woman who took her from them. What is the pricetag for that? Because there definately is one for them.
B
Yoo…hoo.. Maura / Blink…..is this the link to the report of Moore…???
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html
hint hint…link link for us not so brilliant and/or time lagged searching for links.
..there must be more, because I cannot find the reference Maura is using to decipher pings and movement into the next cell area. I think this goes back to my earlier post on sectors perhaps???
Here is some info I found on how cell tower sites ‘work’…interesting for me….so maybe it will help someone else understand. IDK
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:c9PSJkhLeKYJ:www.privateline.com/mt_cellbasics/iii_cell_sector_terminology/+about+cell+phone+towers+sectors&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Lily—- I thought that was an excellent post too, so very well put. I vascillate as well, and I think that’s healthy. Somewhere in the middle may stand the truth.
Silver- happy you popped back in.
I have to say while making deviled eggs tonight for a picnic tomorrow; it made me very grateful I can only speculate on this tragedy from the outside looking in. I went nearly to tears today just seeing those animated pink flags in that video, realizing nearly each one likely represented a piece of that poor darling baby girl.
And as I mindlessly whipped the egg filling I contemplated the awful future facing Cindy and George Anthony. It’s more terrible than I can wish on anyone. They have lost their granddaughter, they are going to lose their daughter as well. Evil, yes, but there is no peace, and will never be enough money in the world to heal that. If they ever come to a point where they actually wake up and feel like their lives are ‘normal’, and they get through a day without dwelling on this, I think it will be a miracle for them.
I am not defending actions, I’m saying I see nothing to really help or heal them regardless.
boo #102 I highly doubt that it would not have been noticed by neighbours,someone would have reported it and he would be in trouble for his lies about seeing them leave if he hadnt even lived there. hmmm and also the police report he filed for the missing gas cans doesnt lead me to believe he wasnt living there
Blink, let me qualify what I mean.
When Casey is at the Anthony residence, she can hit three towers because those towers have overlapping ranges that include 4937 Hopespring Drive. The three towers she hits from the Anthony home are:
2860 South Goldenrod Rd. (under 2.5 miles as the crow flies, NW of Anthonys)
8600 Currituck Sound Lane (under 2.5 miles as the crow flies, N of Anthonys)
6900 Lee Vista Blvd. (about 3 miles as the crow flies, SW of Anthonys)
If you look at her cell phone usage for June 14, when she was constantly using the phone, you’ll see that she was hitting all three towers in a rapid series of text messages with no pattern whatsoever. She was not moving; her cell phone signal was simply being rolled around to the tower within the three in range of the residence that had the least traffic at the time of the call.
6-14 at 18:46:25, she hit 2860 South Goldenrod Rd. (2.5 miles NW of residence)
6-14 at 18:47:06, she hit 8600 Currituck Sound Lane (2.5 miles N of residence)
6-14 at 18:48:09, she hit 6900 Lee Vista Blvd. (3 miles SW of residence)
6-14 at 18:49:52, she hit 2860 South Goldenrod Rd. (2.5 miles NW of residence)
The only way you can tell when Casey is moving out of the Anthony area is when she hits a tower that is too far away to be in range of the residence. While she is in the vicinity of the Anthony residence, she can hit any of those three towers, and we can’t tell if she’s in the house or if she’s not in the house but somewhere in the Chickasaw Oaks subdivision or even out of the subdivision so long as she is still within range of an “Anthony” tower.
The same is true of Tony’s apartment – she can hit three different towers in rapid succession without ever leaving the apartment. When she’s sitting on his couch, she pings three different towers:
Tower 1 is at 98 Purlieu Pl, 32792 (1.11 miles WNW of TL)
Tower 2 is at 4490 N Goldenrod Rd, 32792 (1.05 miles ENE of TL)
Tower 3 is at 6817 Old Cheney Hwy, 32807 (3.04 miles S of TL)
It’s clear from the lack of any pattern in the tower pings when she’s firing off a rapid series of calls and text messages that she can hit all three towers in rapid succession when she is not physically moving; her calls and text messages are simply being routed to whichever tower within the signal area has the least activity at the time she’s making a call or sending a text.
For example, on June 25, she was at Tony’s apartment. In the space of eight minutes, she used her cell phone 10 times and was hitting all three towers in no particular order:
3:05p: #1 (1.11 miles WNW of TL apartment)
3:06p: #1 (1.11 miles WNW of TL apartment)
3:07p: #3 (3.04 miles S of TL apartment)
3:09p: #3 (3.04 miles S of TL apartment)
3:10p: #2 (1.05 miles ENE of TL apartment)
3:10p: #3 (3.04 miles S of TL apartment)
3:11p: #3 (3.04 miles S of TL apartment)
3:12p: #1 (1.11 miles WNW of TL apartment)
3:12p: #2 (1.05 miles ENE of TL apartment)
3:13p: #1 (1.11 miles WNW of TL apartment)
We only know when she can’t be at Tony’s apartment or the Anthony house when she is hitting a tower too far away to reach those residences. And even when she is in a place where she is hitting all three towers as in the examples, we cannot say with any confidence that she is physically in the apartment or in the Anthony house. We can only say she is in the area. That’s what I mean.
Understood, and fair. Let’s agree then we both could be right.
B
The changeable cell towers from a stationary cell phone within the Anthony home is simplistically understood a bit more by me, by actually seeing the tower ranges and putting the Anthony home marker on that map.
I was having a hard time understanding why the alternate tower would take the cell after a couple calls from inside the Anthony home, then a new tower came into service, then back to the other tower. That visually implied ‘movement’ to me, and I needed to visualize how those tower ranges were situation, how much they overlapped.
So, I did a simple (simplistic) check, and pulled the reference map (and note that on the documents, there was a comment to use the lists of activity times and locations WITH a reference map).
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html From this document, I chose the June 16th Cell Tower Locations map and took a screen shot of the image because it’s vertical in the pdf file. I rotated the image and pulled up a Hopespring Drive address near the Anthony home on Google maps, and with the Hopespring location marked, could zoom ‘out’, lay the two maps side by side, and find the Hopespring location generally on the rather fuzzy copy of the Cell Tower locations map.
This is rough, but it gives a good basic idea just how wide those cell ranges actually are and how many overlap by vast areas that wouldn’t restrict any given tower from handling the Anthony home area without any movement necessary. I’m not saying this happened on June 16th, but it gives a very clear understanding of how it would happen, and changing towers wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with the cell phone moving from one location to another.
Now I get the general idea and that 1 pm call can be explained– Casey did NOT have to leave the house to ’cause’ one tower to pick up signal when you see the huge overlaps of the ranges not just of two towers, but of four.
Making a clear map to illustrate this in relation to the Anthony home would really be helpful to visualize these ranges and how the two towers pinged on June 16 am, 1 pm and afternoon (as example), overlap and how any of the four towers, based on their range only, could be called into service.
we all do agree that casey was home june 15 th til june 16 am,though right? cuz i was getting tired of reading that casey took off with caylee after the fight(presumed fight)and wasnt home that night or morning.
PS If Agent Moore thinks Casey was physically moving when she, for instance, pinged Tony (or Anthony) Tower 1 and then a minute or five later pinged Tony (or Anthony) Tower 2 or 3, then he wasn’t paying close attention to the randomness of her tower hits when she was sending a rapid series of text messages (a minute or less than a minute apart).
boo, on #103, the “family” seem to “cut him out” of things so he’s made to look clueless, & maybe OCSO was looking to him to be their inside guy.
i find it unbelievable that casey was on the phone with tony from 7;06pm 6/15 non stop(practically) til 1:00pm on the 16th,thats 19 hrs,he doesnt say anything signifigant was talked about ,he cant rember anything exactly specifically just lovey stuff he says.that some lovey dovey time hmmm.. does this mean they were just dieing to each other?
June 15, 2008 from 7:36 pm through 3:22 am, the cell pinged in the area of the Anthony home and until 7:45 am, the cell phone was in a sleep pattern.
June 16, 2008 the investigation shows that Casey was in the area of the parent’s residence from 7:45 am to 2:14 pm. There was no movement suggested by this first page of the document– just says in the range for that whole period of time but it’s only part of the report, there’s the “reference maps, Microsoft Streets and Trips should be utilized to reproduce these results’.
Going by just a list of times and towers is apparently is not sufficient to understand, and that’s what we were trying to do today, with that spreadsheet list only.
Movement to the north, west and northwest, away from the parents home area, only began at 2:18 pm full 1.5 hours after George claims to have seen Casey and Caylee leave the home.
Was Caylee alive at 12:50 pm as George states and if so, again, back to the ‘breakfast’ for a toddler– why did George change his story after the fact to add more details, breakfast and a lot more he never thought to tell investigators last summer. That is a big WHY.
And WHY would Casey leave the house with Caylee, circle back for a very limited time, maybe get caught by George, and then leave without Caylee to meet Tony. That sounds awkward.
WHY does George’s version benefit Casey? At first, it fit with her scenario of dropping the child off on the way to work, and George’s recollection of Casey saying she may be late, and so would stay over at Zanny’s and see him in the morning etc etc. But the problem was ‘breakfast’ and George’s incomplete version, and his slip telling Greta on the youtube linked in post #64, that he watched the ‘news’… changing that to ‘food show’ in the next statement. And George’s version has morphed into whatever he said in his deposition the other day– embellished and clarified and ready for trial.
The sentiment is correct Kleat but your times are incorrect. It is 4:14 and 4:18PM respectively.
Here’s my biggest problem with these studies.. We know LE believes that Caylee died late on the 15th or the 16th in the indictment. I am not see a “hole” in calls/CPU time combined I would expect for such an event, and it is chilling me.
B
But Kleat – they were there. Cindy took the time to visit – and apparently from what I’ve read here had been visiting and planned to visit most if not nearly every weekend. You have to concede that the visit means more than cards, balloons, cakes, etc . . . The visit is a lot. I have to give kudos for taking the time out of most weeks to drive to Mt. Dora.
Blink and friends thanks for another great update and break down of thoughts.
CORRECTION– not 2:18 but 4:18 pm Casey left the area of the Anthony home, oops… sorry.
http://www.slate.com/id/2063086 here are just some of the reasons all points squarely at casey,i did copy and paste at the end,this is from an article “when parents kill”,”women commit only two crimes as often as men 1. shoplifting(does stealing from family and friends to shop count)2. the murder of their own children” “children under are more likely to be killed by their own parents than by anyone else”several reasons; because the child is unwanted…..frequent themes include: that they themselves deserve to be PUNISHED(does that ring two bells),that killing the child would be an altrusic,or loving act(save her from cindy,told tony she took her to the nanny’s because her parents were fighting and she didnt want caylee around that enviroment,and the heart sticker (loving act),or that the child needs to be erased to save a relationship….methods betray an intense passion and a lack of planning(sound familar)….. But a study by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children shows that fathers are far more violent. And mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a “womblike” fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic. Moreover, the NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away. All these behaviors suggest that women associate these murders with themselves, their homes, and their bodies. —i’d say pretty much covers casey.
that was children under 5,the last sentence:: ‘they associate these murders with themselves ,their homes ,their bodies “I(themselves,and imagine if she had zg id) feel it in MY GUT(their bodies),she’s close to home(their homes)” “i feel it my gut she’s close to home.”
Blink,
A couple of articles ago, Maura suggested that I start from the beginning…so I did. I started referencing, names, phone numbers address, then reversing the process. I keep finding bizarre information that I cant make heads or tails out of.
Cindy Anthony has an address on 1024 Valencia Vista Way, whitepages.com under her home phone number. Since it is rumored that George and Cindy were having problems. It could be possible they were living separately. If this is a possibility, then who had the home computer? It may have been George since Casey and Cindy had the Lap top.
Then I found another phone number 407-281-0646 under Cynthia Anthony. When I googled this number I expected to see it referenced all over the web regarding the case. I DID NOT see it all over the web. I found these two things, well actually three. I found this At&T phone record between the dates of June 15th and June 16th- and contained page 17 only. And the arrest report for the fraud case. Then catering marketing websites.
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache%3AcU-5AYZ1SGcJ%3Amembers.cox.net%2Fmondragora%2Fgentiva%2520sample%25202.pdf+407-281-0646&hl=en&gl=us&pli=1
They don’t look like the same calls as her other phone number- and the charge amount is 0.00.
I have a business cell (marketing phone #)and a personal cell, instead of carrying two phones I forward my business cell to my personal and only get charged on my personal cell phone.
Could this actually be the black jack?
aauhgg..I’m very confused. Sorry if this is all old news.
When the neighbor claims Cindy stormed out June 15th or something to that effect….. she may have gone to meet George and talk after his 1st day at the new job done ? …to calm down..a bit returning early on the 16th when she calls Casey’s cell. She (Cindy) had said she was kicking George out no? and selling the house to someone..?? Or at least an email or something stated that Cindy told them that….as casey would NEVER allow George to raise Caylee????I mean if Cindy was calling HER an UNFIT parent was Casey not calling HIM an UNFIT parent also for whatever her reason………therefor Cindy may have said at some point that she was kicking him out and selling the house ect…??(wouldn’t be the first time…like right after caylee born too???)))
.,,does anyone have any thought as to why Casey slept most nights WITH Caylee?
caylee marie anthony greta otr 2 on bigjuicykungfu’s channel on you tube also Caylee Anthony Time Capsule O’News Clips on bigjuicykungfu’s channel on you tube
Maybe there was a shred of truth in Casey telling her pal Amy that her parents were getting a divorce..he was already gone by Father’s Day.?
Well I do find it odd that neither Lee or Casey were with their own Dad on Father’s Day. I dont recall hearing any mention of their own families celebration of it.
B
I just watched that video with Greta and oh my gosh you can see how they paused to start the lies and CA actually defending MOMsters lies. BUT as she was showing Grets Caylee’s room I noticed on the wall for the first time the initials CMA….that and LA sermon at the memorial. Could CMA actually be Caylee only? This is the only reference I have seen to those initials
#96 SMART!!!!!!!!!!LOVE THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOVE THAT ONE..HE HAD NO CLUE ……………………………………..SOOOOOOOOOOOOO OBVIOUS……………………………………HE WAS LONG GONE AND IN THE DARK………………………….BEFORE THE BOXING DAY MATCH OOOPS FATHER’S DAY MATCH!!!
This is my first time posting – and I hope I am doing this correctly.
Blink – you are simply phenomenal! And I am so impressed by the comments of everyone that have been posted. I am still struggling to keep up here – but what I would like to hear comments on all the calls Casey made to Cindy beginning on the afternoon of the 16th. Here’s what I think:
Contrary to (or perhaps because of?) Cindy’s explosive reaction in the ZG deposition when she was questioned about the knock-down-drag-out “choking” confrontation with Casey on the June 15th (Father’s Day), I do believe that LE has statements from the neighbors verifying that there was very loud shouting at the Anthony home on the 15th evening. That would be following Cindy and Caylee’s visit to Cindy’s father at Mt. Dora nursing home when evidently Cindy found out about Casey’s embezzlement from the account that pays for that care. If it got that bad that CIndy tried to choke Casey’s lying throat …you can bet that Casey did storm out of the house – probably with Caylee in tow. They were supposedly seen at the parking lot of a nearby hotel. Blink – do you have any corroboration on this.
But could Casey have sneaked back in the house early on the 16th with Caylee already dead or chloroformed in the trunk of the car. Then later – with Casey finding that Caylee had been given too much and was now dead. Did she try calling Cindy to try to say :See what your anger did?” See what trying to confront me achieved? I fixed you – You’ll never see your precious Caylee again.
Remember CIndy’s mother Shirley even feared that Casey got to the point that she hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee.
Bink and all you wonderful commentors: any thoughts on this scenario? Thanks!
#100 Boo, I have wondered about that a number of times. When he talks to Casey at the jailhouse about being a better dad and both are very emotional and he does seem so out of the loop on everything that is going on in that house. No Father’s day celebration. I think I will try to investigate more. (yeah, like I’m really good at that), be back before trial. lol.
lol, thanks for the giggle.
B
I was thinking about the gas cans and George. I wonder if the reason Casey didn’t let George get near the trunk is becase he would have noticed the stain(s)? As I understand the A’s are neat freaks and George likes to clean the cars. If he would have lifted out the cans, he would have seen the stain(s). Then he would have asked questions, wanted to clean, ect.
During the 3rd 911 call (the one where Cindy is first reporting a “kidnapping” vs. the 2nd 911 call where she only briefly mentions that Caylee is “missing” in the midst of the auto/money theft report), she is in the midst of providing the dispatcher with Caylee’s birth date, and says to George that Caylee is “missing”. He says, “What??”
One says, “what?”, in that fashion when one is a) UNAWARE of the fact being told to him, or b)is PRETENDING to be UNAWARE of the fact being told to him.
IMO, George was not unaware. I think he was PRETENDING to be unaware.
Where, according to his OWN statement to LE–that he had plenty of time to think about, and which he averred he was making voluntarily, without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor of any persons whomsoever– did George report that Cindy informed him that Caylee was “missing”? (in the garage, where she was crying–nothing about Cindy being on the phone with 911 at the time)
What, if anything, did George say he did in response to this information?
(“I inquired to my spouse about Orange County Sheriff being called, and I was told they were contacted at 8:30p.m.”)
HUH?? Wasn’t Cindy ON THE PHONE, MAKING THE REPORT, WHEN HE FIRST LEARNED THAT CAYLEE WAS “MISSING”? (prompting him to say, “What?”)
Why would he ask if she called before? She was ON THE PHONE with 911 when she first told him, wasn’t she??
George works in SHIFTS. What shift was he supposedly working that day? What did he tell LE about his work hours the day he picked the car up at Johnson’s?
Do the times add up/make sense?
CHECK HIS JULY 24th INTERVIEW. He said he worked security for Andrews International that day/night at the Fashion Square Mall in the Premier Theater “until twenty after nine, nine-thirty, something like that. I got home at ten minutes to ten. THAT’S WHEN MY WIFE WAS STANDING OUTSIDE (huh?), WALK, PACING BACK AND FORTH IN THE DRIVEWAY. THE CAR’S STILL INSIDE THE GARAGE. AND MY WIFE FELL APART. SHE SAID, ‘GEORGE, WE LOST HER. WE LOST HER.’ AND I SAID, ‘LOST WHO? LOST WHO?’ SHE SAID,’CAYLEE, CAYLEE’. AND I SAID, ‘WHAT’S GOING ON?’ I DIDN’T, I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW AT THE TIME THAT MY DAUGHTER WAS EVEN HOME. (????!) MY WIFE DIDN’T EVEN TELL ME BECAUSE WE HAD A TIME MY WIFE CALLED ME ABOUT SHORTLY AFTER EIGHT O’CLOCK WHEN I’M IN PREMIER THEATER, SAYING, ‘HEY GEORGE, CALL ME AS QUICK AS YOU CAN.’ WELL, I’M IN THE THEATER. I’M SUPPOSED TO HAVE MY CELL PHONE OFF…”
(blahblahblah… calls cindy cell, calls ll, calls LEE, sends Lee to Hopespring– and ******* here he totally contradicts what he just said about not knowing that Casey was even home)
“I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MAYBE EIGHT-FORTY FIVE I FINALLY GOT A HOLD OF LEE. AND I SAID, ‘HEY, LEE, IS EVERYTHING OKAY?’ HE SAID, ‘YEAH’ (AFFIRMATIVE). HE SAID MOM JUST PULLED IN HERE WITH, WITH CASEY.’ (huh?! didn’t he just say he didn’t even know that Casey was there???!) I SAID, ‘IS CAYLEE THERE?’”DAD, JUST GET HOME AS QUICK AS YOU CAN.’ THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF OUR CONVERSATION.”
***Got that, folks?! Not only do we now have 3 DIFFERENT VERSIONS of George coming home to learn that Caylee was “MISSING”, he cannot even keep straight whether or not he was AWARE that Casey was at Hopespring before he got home that night.
Why in his 7/15/2009 Statement is there NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF THE CAR???!
We know from his other (subsequent) statements to LE that he was concerned that CAYLEE WAS IN THE TRUNK OF THE STINKING CAR only hours earlier. He knew that Caylee’s car seat and doll were in the car when he picked it up. Why is there no mention of THAT in his statement???
FROM HIS 7/24/2008 INTERVIEW:
GA: You know, and I smell, and I’m like, “Oh, God.” I tried to start the car for a second and I said, “No, George. If there’s something wrong, you got to find out now. You can’t take it away.”I told the guy, I said, “Will you please walk around to the back of this car and look inside with me?” As I walked around, I don’t believe I said to him you know aloud, and I, I think I whispered out to myself “Please don’t let this be my Caylee.” That’s what I thought. That’s what I, my heart was saying.
**Not to mention the fact that both Cindy and George keep saying Caylee had been “missing” for “A MONTH”. Cindy said it repeatedly during the 911 calls. She even says “30 days”. “I gave you 30 days.”
Casey (another counter of days) specifically says “31 days” to the 911 dispatcher.
So why do all of the Anthonys say June 9th in their statements? (because they discussed it before LE got there and all agreed to provide that date, even though it was the wrong date).
**I am in the camp that believes the family intentionally diverted attention away from the true date. Someone didn’t want –still doesn’t want–LE to connect Caylee’s demise to something that took place at Hopespring on June 15th** and/or someone doesn’t want attention paid to when Caylee was last seen (alive).
Whatever you believe (and I am aware there are different opinions, and I am only sharing my own), it is valuable to take what is gleaned from new evidence (cell phone usage), and go back to compare it with other pieces of evidence in the case (in particular, the statements provided to OCSO/FBI).
In Simon Burch’s Interview, he specifically states that George tells him his daughter had been missing and that they found her, but not his granddaughter on the way the car BEFORE it is opened. WTH?
B
correction- his July 15, 2008 (not 2009) statement– contains no mention of THE STINKING CAR
Thanks to all for cutting me slack on typos when I post. Lack of typing skills+lack of hard copy to edit+PASSION= more than a few typos.
Blink, since it is evident now that George and Cindy have not been truthful,(must be an Anthony family trait)if and when they are charged with obstruction, how useful will they be for the state at trial?
I dont think they will be charged with obstruction at this point, it does not help their case against Casey.
B
Blink,
Is there anyway that you can post that document that you originally had up, but instead of posting the 16th, can you put the 15th up? Or a link to the 15th? It would help to know precisely when Casey arrived home.
Here’s some old news, just interesting to re-read:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html
…..Pipitone said to understand why investigators believe Caylee is dead starts early in the morning of June 16, when Anthony called Lazzaro from her parents’ house.
The 80-minute phone call ended at 1:05 a.m., and Anthony then had a conversation via text messages with Lazzaro until Lazzaro called her at 3:08 a.m.
It is not known what was discussed, but less than 10 hours later, Caylee, who was 2 at that time, was seen for the last time by her grandfather, George Anthony, Pipitone reported.
“Ten minutes to 1 (o’clock) that afternoon on the 16th is when I actually saw Casey and Caylee together — both leaving with backpacks — and my daughter said she was going to work, and she was taking Caylee to the nanny, to the baby sitter,” George Anthony said.
Just before 8 p.m., seven hours after Caylee was last seen alive, Casey Anthony and Lazzaro are seen on surveillance video visiting the Blockbuster store near his apartment on University Boulevard. Caylee is not in the video.
Lazzaro told Local 6 News that he had not seen Caylee at that point for two weeks.
The video is one reason investigators believe June 16 may have been the day Caylee died, Pipitone reported.
“What happened in the next hours is even more intriguing. Tony (Lazzaro) and Casey rented two movies for that night. One one of them (was) “Untraceable,” which contains a graphic scene that is even more chilling when you consider where Caylee’s body may have been,” Pipitone said. “The movie shows an FBI agent being pursued by a sadistic cyber-stalker who pops the trunk of a car and is overcome by the smell of a fly-infested, rotting corpse left by the killer in the trunk of the car.”
Investigators believe Caylee’s body was left in the trunk of her mother’s car, where it decomposed, emitting an odor that Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, identified, Pipitone reported.
“It smells like there’s been a damn dead body in the car,” Cindy Anthony said in a 911 call.
“Whether the movie scene is a clue to what Casey might have already done or was about to do — or even where Caylee may have been on the same night they rented that movie — only Casey can answer that, and she’s not talking,” Pipitone said.
Sorry. Last comment on this:
George HAD to KNOW that CAYLEE was “MISSING”/dead before he even got to the house that night.
Car smells like DECOMP.
Caylee is NOT HERE, DAD: “GET HOME AS QUICK AS YOU CAN.”
What does this mean for the case?
It means that this family agreed to a few things BEFORE that last call was placed to 911.
It means that the 3rd call to 911 was “STAGED” (in part, at least, if not in its entirety).
I think George was kept in the dark about many things until July 15th. I think he may still have been kept in the dark about many things even ON July 15th. But not entirely. And the unfathomable part is that he went along with it.
The unforgivable part is that he is now living off of it, boating off of it, showing up at “missing” child events, etc and enjoying his newly acquired “status” with the media- which, I guess, beats working a security shift at the Premier Theater at the local mall.
#119 midwestmom. Um did you say 1024 VALENCIA vista way? Oh shoot, there goes those screaming lambs again in my head.
If Casey tried to make it look like a drowning/accident from the back yard pool, put the little one in the pool, but changed her mind on that…then put her in the trunk of her car with her being soaked with clorine water, would that have created the high levels of cloroform in the car? And possibly with all the other cleaning supplies used by ga/ca.
Maura: absolutely fabulous. What great work! I still cannot see George and Cindy as co-conspirators on this crime until after Casey was arrested the first time. After she was arrested, they began trying to conform their stories to match whatever particular lie Casey was telling. They tried to get their stories and the stories of Casey’s friends to coincide. Why? What grandparent would want to believe that the granddaughter was killed by their own daughter? Cindy seems to be the driving force between the ever evolving stories. She gave the wrong date for Father’s day and everybody else including Casey goes along with it, even though it doesn’t match the number of days Casey says ZG has had Caylee, or fit into the timer 55 story. She corrects George whenever he can’t remember the script.
What I would love to see are the new sworn testimonies of the whole Anthony family. Lying to media is something they picked up early on. That doesn’t really count, does it? But, now, it would be nice to know if their official stories will correspond to the evidence we all have been discussing or if it is some fanciful Cindy-generated speculation on what will exonerate Casey.
The conspiracy theories are interesting, but in my own opinion George and Cindy were suffering indescrible pain when Caylee disappeared from their lives. They could not tolerate the idea that she might be dead, so they had to try to believe what Casey was telling them. The alternative would be to believe the LE detectives who were telling them Caylee was dead. Wasn’t George’s suicide by beer and pizza something that happened after the duct tape story came out? Duct tape deliberately across Caylee’s mouth, and a heart shaped sticker as the finishing touch? Not only was Caylee dead, but at that moment he knew that Casey had done it.
Like many of us, I think George did not see Casey or Caylee on June 16. That leaves a number of different times available for a deliberate murder. I think the high levels of chloroform found in the trunk indicate what happened. It wouldn’t take long. A few minutes setting up the crime, and back to the cell phone for a chat. If that is not cold, cruel and heinous, I don’t know what is.
In my opinion, George and Cindy have absolutely NO right wearing anything resembling Caylee. They are exploiting her further by the lies and covering for their murderous daughter, not to mention already profiting off of her photos, receiving $200,000 from ABC for photos, being put up in the Ritz Carlton, feasting on crab puffs, all the while deceiving everyone that this is about Caylee. It’s NOT! It’s about the Anthony family tradition: WHAT’S IN IT FOR ME!!!!!!
I think that we are missing the bigger picture beyond George’s story, and that is that @ 1PM, whether or not Casey was in the house, or possibly around the block, she was likely not pinging off the tower that would cover Blanchard Park. The shortest driving time , per Rand McNally is 28 minutes, traveling 8 miles, one way. She couldn’t have left home, run into someone at Blanchard Park, experienced commotion: being kicked to the ground , having her baby kidnapped and have returned home all under 44 minutes. (Blanchard Park is North east of HopeSpring)
It is even less probable that she could have traveled to Sawgrass Apts, which Rand McNally has the shortest drive time at 29 minutes, 8 miles. That would require a nearly a full hour , round trip.
So now it is PROVEN that neither of Casey’s stories about dropping off Caylee with “zany” at around 1PM, were true, or even seemingly possible.
Blink, this may have already been asked, but do you know of or believe one of Casey’s fingerprints was found on that ducttape, hence the reemergence of the death penalty?
Does anyone know what cell towers cover Sawgrass?
Sawgrass apts are northwest of Hope Spring which is the direction that Casey was traveling when she left around 4:18. Could it be the same tower as Semoran and Aloma? If not, then a drop off in the afternoon is also disproved.
Not that I am saying any of us believed this to begin with. But the state has to disprove all of Casey’s statements and they appear to be doing so.
Okay, getting away from this for awhile.
I think George saw Casey on the morning of June 16TH he just didn’t see Caylee. That’s what he’s hiding. Caylee was already gone.
To be clear, I don’t believe that C&G are conspirators in the crime that Casey is charged with. I do not set forth a “conspiracy” theory. I am saying that they have been UNTRUTHFUL with LE about what they knew and when they knew it.
This family was already being UNTRUTHFUL with LE on the very first night that they finally made the report that Caylee was “missing”.
If you look to other missing child cases, you will see that statements of family members are key to the investigation. When there are inconsistencies in those statements… you can almost always bet that the child is not really “missing”, but rather, is dead, and at the hands of someone the child knew.
I am not saying that Cindy and George were not stricken with grief. They clearly both loved Caylee, and were/are suffering tremendously. But that does not excuse their attempts to help Casey get away with murder.
#129- cindeefromwisconsin- LEE ALSO wore NO Caylee BADGE at that memorial. JUST a shamrock…(and clothes) tee hee….LEE alone wore NO Caylee Badge.By that time for his sister watching from jail..he wore NO Caylee badge..why?
Does anyone here believe George and Cindy should be in jail for their actions, or lack there of?
George and Cindy an spin this anyway they chose. By the end of the day, lying to cover up a crime is wrong. Righteousness is not served with half-truths