Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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i truly hope the anthonys FRY !
Kleat:
Missed your message in there. Latest LEO OS, but older powerPC, not intel tower, maybe that makes a diff. I ended up just pulling the jpg to my desktop, wasn’t perfect, but clearer and easier to enlarge vs. Apple +
a gazillion times while it is online,( and that way all the other text is ridiculously gigantic).
WSH GREAT POST #143.
The pings and cell records show two things conclusively.
As you stated she was not anywhere near Blanchard Park at 1 PM on the Th.
And number 2. Out of all the incoming and outgoing calls on her cell phone,not one, not one single call to a Nanny or anyone named Zenaida Gonzalez. Not anything on the computer or text messages. Nothing that associates Casey and Caylee with a Zenaida Gonzalez but Casey’s own statements.
As far as George and Cindy go..they were covering for Casey and going along with her story. In their descriptions, which they couldn’t keep straight, they parrot what she has been saying..descriptions of clothing, the nanny , etc. I don’t believe they knew immediately Carlee was dead..they were trying to placate Casey to get Caylee back.
And once they rang that bell..they couldn’t un-ring that bell. HENCE AFTER THEY FINALLY REALIZED WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THEY WERE CAUGHT IN A WEB OF LIES. Baez is going to use that very web to try to get the jury to have reasonable doubt..it won’t work..but he is going to try.
#147 silver by my observation your compassion for caylee and your outrage on behalf of caylee are clear. And you help me understand the process of trial so well. Thank you
In September 2008 George flips out and says YOU DON”T UNDERSTAND WHOMEVER IS IN THE TRUNK OF MY GRANDAUGHTER”S CAR HAS GOT MY GRANDAUGHTER HTTP://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnU5mExKq3A
At the very beginning of this video listen carefully as Cindy says we forgive anything you may have said to Casey to which she nervously says don’t worry I didn’t say anything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WszN524Phyo&feature=channel page
Going back over again the 15th of July 2008 they had picked up the car earlier we know they smelled decomp ect…. they knew Casey was playing games all month……but likely …until casey was drug home and actually said caylee was kidnapped ect…they at least wanted to believe she may be alive and that the decomp smell in their daughter’s car was (someone else)????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnU5mExKq3A
Where george is flipping out about whomeever had his grandaughter was in the trunk of the car ect..
I believe George was living at 4937 Hopespring Drive.
Following are Anthony Landline calls placed when Cindy was working or known to be out of the house and video receipts showing George and Cindy together for the period June 15 through July 4:
Sunday, June 15 (Father’s Day)
10:40am: 7.75 minute call to Fort Myers number (George’s parents live in Fort Myers)
Tuesday, June 17
12:32pm: 1.02 minute call to US Security Consultants
12:35pm: 1.13 minute call to US Security Consultants
Thursday, June 19
12:24pm: 12.98 minute call to the Fort Myers number called on Father’s Day
Saturday, June 21
4:34pm: video at Publix Supermarket shows George and Cindy buying groceries
Tuesday, June 24 (the gas can incident)
9:49am: 0.74 minute call to Gentiva
10:19am: 1.85 minute call to OCSO
10:21am: 0.18 minute call to Gentiva
10:22am: 0.68 minute call to Gentiva
12:11pm: 1.88 minute call to 800-585-9969
Friday, June 27 (this is the day George said he worked 7:30am until around 3:00pm)
4:32pm: 0.55 minute call to Gentiva
Cindy was on vacation June 30 until July 4, so landline calls to Casey during the day could be placed by George or Cindy.
Friday, July 4
5:55pm: Walmart video shows George and Cindy together
The Anthony landline records in released discovery end on July 4, so I can’t seen outgoing calls from the landline through July 15.
Nothing for the 16th?
B
There has been great controversy as to where Casey was when she said she was working – someone posted on another site that from the released evidence of cel phone pings – she was usually just at home except for two days up until the “event” occured.
– Im no genius at reading the tracking of her cel phone pings
but if someone else has looked at it in depth can they confirm that most days after Cindy and George went to work and they thought Casey was at work and caylee at the nanny’s they were actually both home?
If so, this would fit that Casey was in the habit of waiting for her parents to leave and then double back and sit around the house until she would leave again before they got home.
Did we ever see an inventory of the total contents of the Pontiac’s trunk?
Were those tire chocks that George claimed as misdirection found in there?
I recall how distraught LEE was when he had to submit dna / paternity test…he knew he was not the father…but he KNEW it suggested something else for them to even BOTHER to test him…up to then for him at least…Casey always just lied right???
Underneath Lee’s paternity test it does state NO OTHER NUCLEAR tests done. PERIOD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear DNA
(used for PATERNITY TESTING)
Ok. Question from one of the more ignorant posters. On your u-tube video “1625 Curry Ford Rd. does something for 1 1/2 hours.”
What is there?
So, contrary to what many of us have been lead to believe, it was Cindy, not Casey, who left the evening of the 15th.
What about this for a possible scenario?
Casey takes Caylee into her bedroom after the fight and puts her to bed. Talks to Tony on the phone. (Doesn’t he claim to have no particular recollection of the contents of the conversation?) If Casey had just had a big fight with Cindy, it would seem that she would spend a good deal of time venting about her mother to Tony. Does he not recall this because she didn’t do it or because it was such a normal part of their usual conversations that any one particular conversation doesn’t stand out?
Anyway, around 3-4 am Casey’s phone goes silent.
AT 7:45 am Cindy is leaving for work, and tries to check on Casey and Caylee by leaving a message on her phone. This is because she doesn’t hear any movement in the room. (is this unusual? What time does the baby usually get up?)
Cindy and George assume that Casey is pouting, punishing them by not coming out of the room.
Maybe George is there, but in his dis-connected way doesn’t really think about the fact that Casey and Caylee are in Casey’s room and he doesn’t see/ hear the baby at all that morning. But he does hear activity in the room. He doesn’t at the time realize that he does not see Caylee that morning.
In this scenario, Casey kills Caylee sometime during the night. Not a drowning, but possibly suffocation.
After George leaves for work, Casey puts the baby in the trunk, etc
It is much later, after they have not seen Caylee for a while that the significance of not seeing Caylee that am (the 16th) begins to sink in to George and Cindy.
Later, he insists he saw them both to provide cover for the story Casey gives about the kidnapping. I agree that cindy was probably the one to insist he give this story.
Whether or not he was there, In this scenario, what they are all lying about and what they are trying to hide is that NO ONE ACTUALLY SAW CAYLEE LEAVE THE HOUSE. So they are unwilling to admit that the last time they saw Caylee alive was the evening of the 15th when Casey took her into their room to “put her to bed”
Ok, you experts out there. Take this apart.
Remember I am not suggesting anything. This is what DISCOVERY and the Anthony’s have said. Plus Casey said too “MY MOTHER WILL NEVER FORGIVE ME”……….Not her parents won’t forgive her HER MOTHER won’t…..as if her father would KNOW why and understand?
i am taking this from the EXCELLENT POST of 71
to me the only possible time if GEORGE IS NOT LYING it happened between 3:04 to 4:10 she received a very short call from tony…and 2 text messages..then a flurry of calls..that is almost and hours time she had to do something..my only question is what? did she purposely drown her in the pool? but during this time the thunderstorm was at it’s worse. she wouldn’t let Caylee go out and swim in a thunderstorm so that counts out the accident in the pool….did she kill Caylee in the trunk? cuase how do you overlook the chloroform in the trunk. Did she duct tape caylee’s mouth put her in the trunk chloroform her gave her to much and caylee died? becouse if you think about it Tony never saw Caylee and it was only about 2hrs or so later after she got off the phone with tony around 3:04 tony saw her..then blockbuster no caylee no nothing…no calls to a babysitter she never left the house….makes both of her lies so pathetic!!! Mind you this is all if George did not lie…thing to me is he knew the color of the t-shirt she was wearing and was found in..but for me i do believe precious Caylee died between 3:04 and 4:10 her flurry of calls could have been to make sure know one was coming home…and i believe caylee wasn’t bagged until she came home and backed her car into the garage 2 days later..i don’t think the car would smell as bad if she triple bagged her on the 16th..not much would have leaked out ( I HATE SAYING THAT) you think a small child could get a ladder like that and put it by the pool? i still think casey murdered caylee by aggravated child abuse.
Since day 31, I’ve been keenly focused on the LYING this family does, and it has just made me nuts. While everyone else was talking about everything else in this case, I was completely obsessed with the dang LYING.
I got a gift card for Barnes & Noble at Christmas last year. I picked up a book — The People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil, by M. Scott Peck, M.D. I don’t know exactly why I selected that particular book at that particular time. All I know is it’s helping me work through my obsession with the lying Anthonys.
From almost page one, it has spoken to me as though I asked it to help me understand that family, and why I am so utterly and completely disgusted, appalled, aghast at their behavior. They make me want to throw something heavy.
My newly learned term to describe the Anthonys (Cindy and Casey, at a minimum): malignant narcissists.
The reason I’ve decided I’m so beside myself with the lying: lying is at the heart of evil.
Just a couple quick quotes from the book:
“The evil deny the suffering of their guilt — the painful awareness of their sin, inadequacy and imperfection — by casting their pain onto others through projection and scapegoating. They themselves may not suffer, but those around them do. They cause suffering. The evil create for those under their dominion a miniature sick society.” (page 123)
“Think of the psychic energy required for the continued maintenance of the pretense so characteristic of the evil! They perhaps direct at least as much energy into their devious rationalizations and destructive compensations as the healthy do into loving behavior.” (page 124)
As if Cindy wasn’t already driving me to distraction, her sudden showcasing of her *devotion* to her *faith* put me round the bend:
“Since the primary motive of the evil is disguise, one of the places evil people are most likely to be found is within the church.” (page 76, footnote, referencing Buber’s Good and Evil)
Last one:
“If the central defect of the evil is not one of conscience, then where does it reside? The central psychological problem of human evil, I believe, is a particular variety of narcissism.” (page 77)
Jan, what an excellent post. I am off to order this book.
B
WSH you’re are right about missing the big picture – for me anyway! I’ve been kind of obsessed with wondering what window of time Casey had in order to harm Caylee and then hide the baby that I totally forgot that she has a BIG RIDICULOUS STORY that isn’t supported by the evidence. I’m sure that didn’t get by most of you guys though.
And also Theresa good point too. Had Casey hidden Caylee’s little body somewhere (in the backyard or under the bed or in the closet) during the night or after Cindy left? George might have only (or not) seen Casey that morning? She waited for George to get into the shower. Maybe she said she had already strapped Caylee in her carseat and hurried her way out so Geo wouldn’t ask questions or try to say bye to Caylee. I’m not saying this is true but possibly in George’s memory he ‘saw’ Caylee that morning. Casey could have made it ‘seem’ as though they slept in and pretended she and Caylee were playing or watching cartoons, etc. Enough to give George the impression things were normal from 10:00a til 12:50p and then the girls were off to their routine. Or of course the more disturbing point may be that George never saw Caylee that morning and he and Cindy have decided to stick with their story that he did.
At that point all Casey would have had to do is wait for George to leave so she could go back and ‘cover’ things. Tidy up. She had all afternoon and I’m sure it was interesting. Once she was sure that the baby wouldn’t be found (at least that day) she headed to Tony’s. Then of course, events forced her to move the baby on the 17th or 18th which I’m sure was even more disturbing and I don’t like to dwell on it too much.
Silverspnr, Lee adds to the confusion of George’s version of the timeline of calls for the 15th– could there be a second earlier phone call to Lee because the 8:45 pm call could not have been the first call George made to Lee.
From your notes, Cindy calls George shortly after 8 o’clock when he’s already in the theatre with his cell phone supposedly ‘off’. (but he doesn’t leave it ‘off’ and risks embarrasment, maybe reprimand from his employers and boo’s from the paying audience if he’s left a ring-tone ‘on’) Why doesnt’ George remember to shut his cell phone off– he knows he has an emergency situation at home unfolding perhaps?
“… WE HAD A TIME MY WIFE CALLED ME ABOUT SHORTLY AFTER EIGHT O’CLOCK WHEN I’M IN PREMIER THEATER, SAYING, ‘HEY GEORGE, CALL ME AS QUICK AS YOU CAN.’ WELL, I’M IN THE THEATER. I’M SUPPOSED TO HAVE MY CELL PHONE OFF…”
“I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MAYBE EIGHT-FORTY FIVE I FINALLY GOT A HOLD OF LEE. AND I SAID, ‘HEY, LEE, IS EVERYTHING OKAY?’
but Lee’s timeline of events as told to EE in the July 28th interview, said it ‘had to be BEFORE 8 o’clock’ , said George told him ‘A long story, but I’m worried about your mother. Can you please, can you please go to, you know, go to the house. I want you to check on her.”
Lee said he was at the Anthony home within 5 minutes– that would be about or just after 8 pm.
Why would George speak about a call to Lee, and ask if everything was ok about 3/4 hr later than Lee gives for his dad’s call to bring him into the situation? Unless there were two calls… one to sent Lee to the Anthony home to check on his mother, and the other, to learn from Lee, if things are ‘ok’.
Either George had to speak to Lee twice, or Lee had to have had a call from someone else to call him ‘home’ before 8 and before George got his call from Cindy just before 8 where Cindy would likely have told George, don’t worry, I’m handling this, Lee is coming over, and Cindy knew when George would arrive home ‘later’ after she and Lee had a chance to chat with Casey to learn what was going on and to figure out what to do– buying time before George would arrive.
did i understand this right?if you go north for 4 min and then go west for 7 mins(give or take the margins of error),you’d end up where casey was from 4:25 until 6:00,til she headed northwest to tonys at 5:57 which is where?is that the 1625 curry ford rd, what’s there?
Just a little bit of additional cell phone info: A lot of people use their home phone or a land line to check their voicemail messages, check their minute balance and other things like that because it doesn’t use up their minutes. For someone like Casey who ‘every drop of gas counts’ I suspect ‘every cell phone useage minute counts’ too. That is also why a lot of people use Instant Messaging on their computer network when and if they can. This is probably obvious – please don’t take offense if you already know this. I have four boys and work in this industry so I have learned the hard way how quickly the FAMILY plan can become out of control with texts and minutes during peak times. I’ve also replaced a LOT of lost and wet cell phones and have heard every story/excuse in the book (LOL).
(won’t it be interesting to have a look at George’s cell records of calls during the two months leading up to and including, July 15th?!! That would reveal possibly, how much involvement George had compared to Cindy’s ‘work’ on finding Caylee and how much communication was going on between Cindy and George towards finding answers about their missing baby on July 3rd and onward). Teamwork in that family for finding the baby, as should be the case, or Cindy flying ‘solo’ without help from her experienced law enforcement husband?)
who is kyle kirkland ?he’s the last person casey communicates with before going to bed,and the first person she talks to on father’s day morning 6:30 am,and they communicate that day,his number is from jacksonville,i havent heard him mentioned as another person she knew in jacksonville?
June 16th phone call to Jesse Grund according to Richard Grund:
( Casey was concerned her mother now was not going to give her the house and did not where she was going to live?)?????????????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrbpaRP6r8&feature=channel page
ok i google mapped 1625 curryford road,HOURGLASS LAKE ,looks accessible from KAYLEY ST one street over from GEORGE ST could this possibly get anymore lexiconic (just joking:so she passed on kayley + george streets=hourglass lake,and went for zenaida(lot) +gonzales(lot)=pet cemetery just joking of course but how weird.
Todd, don’t forget that Casey changed her story from Sawgrass to Blanchard Park, so you have to find those cell towers, too.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17567142.pdf
The transcript between Casey & Tony Lazzaro on Page 2 of 13 at the time (9:24:57PM) she says about 9 years old true story (re: George ect)
Re #133, stains in the trunk. Here’s an inconsistency that really stood out for me in GA’s and CA’s FBI interviews. Cindy clearly states that the stains were not new, that they were aware of them and they had been there awhile. George, on the other hand, states that they are new. IIRC he even put his nose near the stain and acknowledged the odor was coming from it. HUH?
I wouldnt hold much hope for george and cindy being thrown in jail, they have angered many people with their lies, but throwing them in jail accomplishes nothing. Most lawyers seem to feel they have hurt Casey with their antics. My opinion will change if we do find george and cindy helped with hiding the body, but I really dont believe they did that.
As for the thought maybe George wasnt living at the house, wouldnt rick or shirley have known that ???? I remember shirley saying that cindy is kind of stuck with geoge cause he would get half the house and possibly alimony and she didnt want to get stuck with doing that.
On a different blog I noticed people are saying that the latest document dump in the forensics , it says that they have proof from caseys computer that casey made up and posted the zenaida myspace page — has anyone here seen that ? I have gone thru some of the stuff but havent found it yet. Most of this newest stuff is really old stuff that I read months ago
A general observation about determining cell phone using cell towers (does not apply to GPS enabled devices)
– The level of sophistication and accuracy available in different geographic areas varies based on the equipment in use at the cell sites (newer/upgraded equipment has more sophisticated capabilities) and also cell tower density (the more towers in the area, and the more overlap, the more data that is available for triangulation)
– I have see a few comments that indicate a belief that the Casey cell phone location tracking information only resolve position to the cell site; i.e. the “3 mile circle” around the tower.
– I am 99 44/100 % sure that the equipment in that area is capable of determining position using triangulation. This does require the device to be in an area of overlapping coverage. Using the data from multiple towers, you could determine a location within a pretty small area (depends, but within 25 meters or less is possible).
– keep in mind that one reason you have great cell phone service is that adjacent cell towers often talk to each other to identify how to best handle a hand-off event. So, when someone is moving away from the tower they are on, the signal level goes down and the tower sees this. It can check with adjacent towers to determine which one you are moving towards to set up a handoff. This information is maintained. It is this same information, which helps the tower guess how far away you are from the tower, that can be plotted for multiple towers and show a goof location.
– If you look at the cell coverage map in the evidence, there are at least three cell phone towers covering the Anthony residence. So I think they have pretty accurate location data – which would justify the use of the specific locations referred to (“in the area of the parent’s residence” ) and directions of movement.
– This is evidence, so it must be precise. If all I know is that you are in a 3Km circle around cell phone tower point A, then that is what my report will say. If your phone handed off from cell A to cell B, then that is what I can report. It is possible to transition between two cells without moving in a direction that bisects the tower locations.
– I think this data indicates the use of location/triangulation capabilities that accurate to 10 – 50 Meters.
As y’all like to say, JMHO.
Clint
I simply don’t understand this “bombshell” assertion that anything released today demonstrates that GA was lying. I see NOTHING there to indicate that he lied. I’m not sure yet what I believe about what he said but certainly there was NOTHING NEW today to indicate in any way shape or form that he lied.
Pink-
Welcome to blinkoncrime.com. That said, there are thousands of posts on this case here, and hundreds about the recently released data. Your going to have to bring your case knowledge next time. I feel that if most posters here show their diligence and commitment to this case via extensively researched info, one needs to research it before coming on here and simply stating you are not convinced.
B
Anyone have any thoughts as to the significance of the dead rattle snake and why we keep seeing it? I always hope that it means that Casey is the one ran over it and they matched the tracks on its body to her tire tread (don’t tread on me…heh), but other than that, why do we keep seeing it? Is the snake a red herring, or a non starter, or is it just supposed to add a little color to an already extremely colorful case? Or to show why Cain was askeered to go into the woods?
The essence of George Anthony’s untruths is the discovery of his motives. Lies are told for any number of reasons; to protect the guilty, to engage in misdirection, to aggrandize the liar or debase someone else, to cover up something embarrassing or criminal, etc.
I am at a loss as to what George’s motive is. Why would he cover for Casey if he knew she’d killed Caylee? Does Casey have something on George?
The tape playing of Casey’s prison call to her mother during the graphic of the cell phone pings is infuriating. Casey is absolutely vile. That woman’s heart is the coldest I’ve ever seen.
Sorry guys, 150 comments late but what is the significance of a lie of a few hours? I am not understanding why its a big deal, I confuse times all the time.
Ok will try to read through these but help please if you can.
Thanks
I feel dumb, have been following this case closely and read all the comments and still not understanding why this matters.
Can someone explain what the big deal is please?
I think that George lied about seeing Caylee on the 16th because if he admitted to seeing KC go into her room the night of the 15th with Caylee, and not seeing them leave the house than it could be concluded that Caylee never left that house alive and it would have to be someone in that house that killed her. By lying that he saw Caylee and KC leave, it opens the suspect list to anyone.
note: do not forget the grave wax.
blink: your one of a few…..
I don’t believe George lied, only that his recollection was confused, much in the same way Cindy and George were originally confused about the date of Father’s Day.
He was asked four weeks after KC began the game of “hide the Caylee” to recall in as much detail as possible the last time he saw Caylee. Lot’s of possibilities here that do not need to involve lying – only confusion after 4 weeks.
One is that the KC standard operating procedure of late had been to leave with Caylee in the early afternoon. This appears to have happened on the 12th and 13th. I am guessing it is one of those two days he is recalling.
His subconscious then applied this memory as the day KC left home for good. After all, he saw KC that day. His mind tells him he must have seen Caylee as well. But did he? Perhaps not…
At the time he last saw Caylee and / or KC, he did not know that it would be a significant event in his life. He thought it was business as usual. Four weeks later he was told it was significant. The mind is going to piece together whatever it can, and it may not be meaningful or useful.
-http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17567142.pdf
The transcript between Casey & Tony Lazzaro on Page 2 of 13 at the time (9:24:57PM) she says about 9 years old true story (re: George ect)
to Julie # 175
The IM convo link you posted was between Casey and Tony Rusciano, not Lazzaro. It was betw 5/3 and 5/19/08, she had not met Lazzaro yet. I didntsee anything significant about George in there, they were talking about music. Did I miss something? she does mention going to look at a house to move into (pg 11) on Dean and Ford rd but no specific address… wonder if they were able to look into that further in case it means something.
Jan – Post#165. Excellent post. Had to read it to my husband. You gave some logic to why I’m so frustrated about this case – the evil (lying) and the phony religion! Thank you!!
Hi suz, wouldn’t be concerned much about the snake– it was found in the area of the remains a year ago, when Roy Kronk called in a sighting of a bag. (I don’t remember details of which of Kronk’s calls the snake was related to– I’ll leave that up to you to check if you want) What the snake does illustrate, is a reason that Kronk or perhaps other persons (ie: attending officer) wanted to go into that thick vegetation/swampy area to do a thorough check of Kronk’s sighting.
Because the snake was dead, (probably hit by a car according to the reports), it was taken and kept in a freezer for whatever reason. After the body was found in that same area of Kronk’s August reports and the snake was from that area, it was probably ‘overkill’ (but diligent police work) to do a necropsy on the snake to determine cause of death and it’s consistent with the snake being killed along that roadside by a car. And with that, they investigated whether or not there were any stomach contents that might relate to the crime scene. There were not (rattle snakes don’t usually scavenge as far as I know, but am no expert– they are equipped to kill and seek prey by body heat).
The msm put the snake picture up because its somewhat sensational. Something dramatic to look at I suppose.
Due diligence with the snake, that’s all. Simple– killed by a vehicle, didn’t die right away (IIRC) so got itself off the road and into some cover, wasn’t killed somewhere else and ‘planted’. Wasn’t used as a murder weapon so the defense can’t go there easily. There are snakes in the swamps, water in the swamps… danger in the swamps. If a photo comes in during trial, I’d guess the prosecution would offer it as a reason that Casey probably did not walk into those woods along the fenceline and find a place hidden away to leave the bag, she probably would arrive and as quickly as possible, toss the bag into the woods from near the roadway.
There are many more interesting things than the snake. But it’s a reason not to go into waterfilled areas with volunteer searchers who can’t see where they are stepping because of the leaf cover and overgrowth– besides Tim Miller’s explanations of the dangers of disrupting any body that might be there– damaging it. Goes again, to reasons that this area, in flood, was not searched.
Kleat, for me, I am still not getting why Mr. Dean picked that snake up from the scene and kept it in the fridge in the first place. If they did not see anything, why bag the snake and take it home, keeping it for months? This has never made sense to me.
B
oh boy…. they wanted NOT to venture into the swamp, of course– sorry, am sure ppl can figure the mistake
For those who don’t understand the significance of the “pieces of the puzzle” re: #183 Pax and a few others, I’ll try to put it in simple language in my quest to understand it all.
Clint thank you for your wonderful post helping us all understand this.
Pax, basically the cell phone pings are like a tracking devise. The prosecutors are using these pings to make a “trail” to prove where Casey was during the time of June 14 onward. Also, the use of the computer tells them what time she was on it and for how long she was using it.
Not only are they using it as a trail to prove where she was, but also to prove where she was not. And also to pin down when she dumped the body in those woods, we hope.
On June 16th she was not at Sawgrass Apts dropping Caylee off as she has said. And neither was she at J.Blanchard Park. She was on the computer in the Anthony home or on her cell at/ or within a very close proximity of the Anthony home until a little after 4p on June 16 when the cell phone pings changed and she headed towards Tony’s apartment.
The ping records were dumped randomly earlier, but most of us did not understand them until they were put in such a concise way by Mr. Moore that it then became like a lightbulb going off to see this information.
I hoped this helped, because I have had to read and search and put it in a perspective I can understand. I am sure any mistakes I made in trying to explain what I have understood will be corrected and explained more simply by others.
Bottom line is the States Attorney is not going to go out on a limb and ask for the death penality for Casey unless there is compelling evidence to prove the case. The Sunshine law allows us to get the “dumps” of the information gathered in bits and pieces, scattered, some area’s blacked out, some bits withheld. There are some very bright minds at this site who are helping us put the bits and pieces together in, as Maura says, “the puzzle”. IMO this is just another indicator of the guilt of the woman who valued her freedom and funtime so much she killed her dear baby to have it.
Thanks J.G. for that and for the very detailed way you were able to relay the most recent ping study via Agent Moore. Given your calculations, do you agree Casey could not have been more than 164 ft from the Anthony home prior to 4:14PM on 6/16?
B
In my mind I am sure that George lied and has lied about a lot.. I think it SOP for this family to lie about things that to you and I would be trivial things. I’ve been around families like this and in their minds, come hell or high water the family will appear united and if someone in the family does anything wrong it is simply not talked about in the home and the facade of the happy home is always presented to the outside world. Ck the emails between Rick and Cindy and it shows that this has been the way of this family for a very long time. It is second nature to all of them. Maybe Lee’s nervous laughter at the wrong times is an indication that he is being asked about something that he was told or learned at a very early age that you don’t discuss with anyone. As in anything negative regarding anyone in that immediate family.
Good post wheezer #184. If not for Geo’s lie – it would be set in stone. This way at least the defense can SPIN in any number of ways.
kccritic#187…I googled casey’s text message with Tony lazzaro that came up… Nathan lezneiwicz Tony Lazzaro’s roommate
2 minutes aprox in….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JseAw&feature=related
ps.. I stand corrected on the text message .
Wheezer #184 – I should have said – because I’m not yet sure . . . If not for Geo’s lie OR MISUNDERSTANDIN/MIS-REMEMBERING/PROJECTION or whatever . . .
If take the facts as Maura has done – without working back with the benefit of KNOWING what the result is – I still THINK the Anthonys just reacted to things as they happened. MOO – MOO – Geo & Cindy did not project ahead enough to think to themselves . . . “if I say this or that then that will prove Casey did this or that” . . . I think this was made up as they went along. And as one poster said earlier – the lie upon lie just built up until they couldn’t turn back without major consequences. I think it was just instinct – not moral instinct but survival instinct in a very bad form.
I wish they had found their backbone much, much earlier – if ever.
I agree that there was no collusion on the parts of the Anthony’s at the onset. I believe the only “true” reactions of these people occurred once they really believed Caylee was actually missing, and then prior to Casey’s arrest. With the exception of Lee, because I believe he wiped her computer.
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oooopps again..try this one
http://wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=jSoJ7xJseAw
#157 maura. Interesting those calls to ft myers where george parents live, might he have been visiting them?hmmmm Also really interesting no records of calls after 7/4 from the anthony LL have been released either.
Those you tube links!!!!??? anyhow it is on sierra’s channel interview with Nathan Lezanewicz part 3 2 minutes in…regarding what she told Tony about george. Sorry for the poor links!
Jan! Great addition to the BlinkCommentResourcesLIbrary!! That explains so much– what a term, ‘malignant narcissism’.
Reading through the incoming text messages from Casey on Amy’s phone, not sure whether all the records relate to Amy’s phone or whether there are other friends records mixed in the recent doc pages.
It takes a little patience and sorting to group messages together by day and put them in order of time so you can see a thread of conversation, at least from Casey’s messaging.
Actually begins to build a picture of Casey’s ‘orchestration’ of things, her own ‘miniature society’. How she has spun her web of lies to create a belief system for ‘other people’ about her so that she has ‘resources’ that they can draw upon, and in turn, offer things to Casey as she needs them. Especially true of Amy, who Casey shamelessly ‘uses’ by false promises of helping find a job at Universal, promises of a place to live. We knew these things before, but the records show just how Casey operated, in quite some detail, once the pieces start to fall into order.
Casey ‘disguised’ herself not just as working as an event planner, but someone who, with her ‘pull’ and ‘connections’, could actually make others believe that she could do for them– so many examples of promises, of favors she could provide from her ‘work’ collegues, all of which would fall through, promises of looking at a house with someone and Casey had her lie ready– bruised rib and the flu.
The worst lie of all, was the disguise Casey wore as a loving, caring, nurturing mother. And the most gullible of her targets, her own mother.
Thanks again for your post, Jan.