Caylee/Casey Anthony Case Bombshell: Proof George Anthony Lied
Orlando, FL– In a bombshell released in discovery today, evidence George Anthony could not have been telling the truth about June 16th.; allegedly the last time he saw Casey and Caylee leave:
According to the Investigative Report Excerpt regarding the Cell phone ping study, Casey did not leave the Anthony home until 4:14PM on June 16th. Not the 12:50PM time he told Investigators and recounted in several media interviews. Most recently, George refused to discuss the last time he saw his granddaughter Caylee during the deposition in the civil case against his daughter, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez.
Given the previously released computer forensics, whereby we know Casey was on the home computer on an IM chat in the morning this supports the fact she was in the home, and as the calls begin on Casey’s cell, she is leaving the residence.
SO.. Could it be George who never came home the evening of June 15th? Did Casey leave her cell phone there the evening before and come back? Impossible. She was on it.
Message to Leonard: This makes one more.. LOL.. Told You.
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Hello, all,I am new here but having been to the scene and knowing Florida flora I wanted to make a comment. This is a simple addition to your very detailed and insightful comments and observation. But here goes.
If you could see the site where Caylee’s remains were found you would understand that from the road, in the ultra dense kudzu and other plant growth a small and limp body could lay without notice. I don’t know exactly how deep the water got but during June there is lots of rain and then with Hurricane Fay’s Five Days of nonstop rain, the area was flooded. It was not just wet ground; it was a pond environment in some of that area.
Moreover, Suburban Drive is not a through road. In mid June it is rarely traveled because the elementary school is not in session. It is eerily quiet and wooded and creepy on the side where she was.
To see the exact area and to see how very dense the woods are go to GOOGLE MAPS and type in Hopespring Drive Orlando Florida. The map will pop up and then hit SATELLITE to get a bird’s eye view. Navigate with the cursor just four tenths of a mile north on Hopespring right down to Suburban and go right. That swampy, dense, creepy vine covered wet part was heavily flooded in the weeks while the search teams were around. By the time R. Kronk was there in August some of the water may have evaporated and the bag became visible.
Interestingly, L. Padilla commented early on that Casey would not have gone deep into anywhere to dispose of Caylee. She would not have wanted to get too dirty. In woods like that with the terrain and the incredibly thick overgrowth, she did not have to go deep.
Welcome, and I can tell you your sentiment was echoed by everyone involved in this case. Nobody ever thought she was well hidden, we just thought Casey was lazily lucky. I am glad for that, I truly thought like most she was in the landfill. Poor Baby.
B
I haven’t been paying a lot of attention the last few days, just scanning posts.
Only thing of interest I found on Curry Ford Road was from OS. I don’t know/think (if) this has anything to do with this case:
“…..Another person told sheriff’s deputies they had discovered bones off Econlockhatchee Trail, between Curry Ford Road and Lee Vista Boulevard in Sept. 2008. Sgt. John Allen of the sheriff’s office confirmed they were animal bones.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-documents-073009,0,2997539.story
# 366-silverspnr
I think that they are going to do as you say, try to prove the body wasn’t there, and/or that a volunteer may have had something to do with Caylee’s death. also, if I recall correctly, didn’t either Kronk or Hoover pass a note to one of the volunteer stations about where to look for the remains?? I’m thinking that it was Hoover, because I vaguely recall the man saying that he would get into trouble by passing along the info. Someone please correct me…
Also, the defense is making a second stab at getting Tim Miller and his records as TES established a satelite office somewhere in FL subsequent to the search for Caylee. This may be a new and improved argument to get the records from a group that IS operating in the state.
Hoover, and he came to the command center personally. It doesn’t matter. The crime scene or remains field, tells the story irrefutably, imo.
B
# 382 “I think their daughter has refused their visits. What’d ya think?”
I agree. I think that was essentially eluded to when Conway went on TV, and stated (paraphrase) that he didn’t think that it would be a problem for Casey’s parents to visit her in jail. I think that he was putting a little public pressure on Baez, at the time, because everyone was commenting on Cindy & George not seeing her at all, and it was making them look bad while they were out trying to sell their non-profit.
# 382
“Lawyers who make promises that they cannot keep (with regard to what the evidence will show) are fools.
Look at how well that worked for Mark Geragos, and his client, Scott Peterson (who now sits on Death Row, and who, like Casey, has a photo of his victim on his cell wall. Another useless attempt to feign “innocence”, IMO).”
The problem that Geragos had was that he made the promise in opening statements. What was said by the attorneys before trial isn’t going to be enetered into the trial. Even if they say she is innnocent….They could always throw an accidental death in the mix and technically, that would be true.
That and he was on Greta for weeks before he was hired saying Peterson was guilty.. lol. I found that to be a new low even for him.
B
The defense is, of course going to try to toss out reasonable doubt. However, they have lost reasonable doubt in regard to the Zenaida Gonzales. The state has proven that she doesn’t exist. NO PAPER TRAIL, NO EYEWITNESSES: NOTHING.
So then, they will have to address all the statements signed by Casey and passed on to other witnesses that verbally point to the nanny.
How do they establish that Casey that Casey was talking “in code”?
1) Put Casey on the stand to explain why she wasn’t directly telling officers who was involved….Not going to happen, we all know that!
2) Put Cindy, George or Lee on the stand to establish a pattern of truth wrapped in falsehoods by Casey in the past….Tricky one, particularly since their statements have been inconsistent and they have come across as volatile themselves. They will likely be seen as untrustworthy and unlikeable themselves.
3) Put an expert witness on the stand who can explain how a person with a “compulsive lying disorder” would continue to make up stories at their own peril, even though they are innocent, because they are only comfortable lying….In my opinion the best chance that they have because then they can clear the slate, saying the Nanny issue was a lie, and point fingers anywhere. The success of this is still questionable. The state can then get their own expert witness on to describe Casey as a “pathological liar” who made false statements to further her agenda.
4) Use # 3, but then demonstrate that the cause of death could actually have been an accident and Casey was not capable of telling the truth about it.
5) Put a PI on the stand that has dug up dirt on any one of the ‘usual suspects’ to elude to some kind of problematic association, then put that person on the stand to try to make them sweat, look uncomfortable, or “guilty” of something, so that jurors will distrust this person. They will try to ‘make hay’ over Jesse’s attachment to Casey and Caylee and try to establish that he has anger management issues.
And of course, since not all evidence and interviews have been released to us, there could be any number of others that they will target.
On # 5 , I meant to add that the reason Casey spoke in code was that she feared the larger group of conspiracy.
Re: Curry Ford Rd.
There is a Scoops on Lamberton blvd. just off of Curry Ford Rd.
http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTExNmIycG51BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLWJ1dHRvbgRzbGsDbGluaw–#mvt=m&lat=28.515374&lon=-81.32151&zoom=13&q1=4937%20hopespring%20dr.%2C%20orlando%2C%20fl&q2=scoops%2C%20orlando%2C%20fl
Can someone explain what the significanse of Curry Ford Rd is? I have been following this all along, but I must have missed something. HELP please?
lily,i am waiting and wondering too,it comes from the cell pings stating at 4:14 she moved north at 4:18 she moved west, at 4:25 she stablized her location til 3 minutes til 6:00. so i am assuming 1625 curryford is an estimation of where she was in regards to tower info.until blink tells us why the video designates that address,(i cant find where that address actually exists).i like the idea of hourglass lake off kayley ave. though,as the first place she thought of to disencumber,through the sands of time these are the diary of days. but it is absolutely CRUCIAL to know where and what she was doing at 4:25 til 5:57 june 16th. cuz caylee either left the house dead or alive ,or didnt leave the house dead or alive.
Small point, but the garbage bags were inside of the laundry bag, yeah? And not vice versa. Seems intuitively obvious, but I have seen people wondering, perhaps because the trash bags were shredded while the laundry bag was intact.
Kronk described seeing a gray or offwhite canvas bag. Plus it would make utmost sense to put the body into plastic first and then use the laundry bag to haul the whole shebang around as it’s awkward ‘dead’ weight and that is a pretty heavy load to lug by trash bag handles—–plus I bet the trash bags looked exactly like they contained a dead body, which would be risky if someone saw them in the trunk.
Still puzzling over that laundry bag being a different model (but same brand) than the one found at the Ant’s house, as Blink pointed out. It would make utmost sense for it to have come from the Ant’s garage, since that’s where they do their laundry (no seperate laundry room, right?), and if we presume that’s where she availed herself of the trash bags, and maybe the duct tape (either as a roll or perhaps she took the pieces off of something in the garage? Since she didn’t wrap it around her head, but rather layered on shorter pieces—and since as far as I know the mother roll has not been located—-I sometimes think she repurposed pieces that she had found elsewhere. I think they spotted duct tape on some other stuff in the garage—shelf brackets or something).
Could the Anthony’s have had two laundry bags—one for Geo and Cindy’s room, one for Caylee and Casey’s? Was there a buy one get one free sale when Cindy (I assume) got them? Are they indecisive like me, and when faced with a choice of two models just buy BOTH of them? Or did casey get it from somewhere else (buying, borrowing, stealing)?
Enquiring minds want to know!
“That and he was on Greta for weeks before he was hired saying Peterson was guilty.. lol. I found that to be a new low even for him.
B”
Just goes to show that some lawyers will say or do anything to get attention for themselves. In some ways, they appear to share characteristics of their clients. Make no mistake, I have NO LOVER for Scott Peterson, but how abominable was it that his lawyer didn’t attend the verdict reading?? A little avoidance of the unpleasant, perhaps?
I think if you lay down with dogs you get fleas. I am not a Geragos fan. His last client accused of murdering his wife hung himself after a meeting with him, so maybe he is turning over a new leaf. (glib)
B
Sorry that should have either been I am no lover of, or I have no love.
I’m not editing at all, MANY typos, all around, but you get the point.
so there are the choices 1. caylee left alive with casey at 4;14 june 16th. ,and they went somewhere til 6:00,then casey shows up alone at tony’s .2.caylee left dead with casey(for burial)in trunk. 3.caylee was left at the a-home alive 4.caylee was left at the a-home dead
#379
Gypsy, after reading your statement, this verse immediately came to mind. Matthew 7:16
# 396 I have hypothesized one scenario that Caylee could have been buried twice….
Are there any pings that could suggest that she ever returned to this location later on?
Are their any witnesses that have a similar or close address?
are there…duh, sorry I should not write today!
#401 charlotte not lily
one thing i’d like to know : can and will expert anaylis of the decomp stain show that the decomp was spilled from containment,or that the stain came from direct decomposition at the spot.meaning will the state tell me that she placed the body in the trunk or that she placed the bag with the body in the trunk,and it spilled.as i am sure the can tell spill patterns as opposed to decomp as it lay.
westsidehudson, technically, caylee was not even buried once (as far as we know)—she was just dumped in a heap by a tree. Do you mean was she stashed somewhere other than in the trunk early on for 2.6 days, or do you think she was literally buried somewhere (even tho casey did not seem to have a shovel, at least on the 18th)?
Why aren’t Tim Miller and John Walsh going after G+C Anthony? Tim and John seem to really care about victim’s rights and are doing great things all the time. #@#@#@@### Would you let your children play with rattlesnakes? G+C are a threat to the emotional well-being of any child they come in contact with. They’ve already put one little girl in the hospital because she believed in them. They need to be stopped before they ruin more children’s lives. NOW
#397 – Elmosmommy – IMO Casey is NOT leading a lonely life. She is not interested in family visiting because the dynamics of the A’s attitude toward Casey has changed and not for the better – even though they won’t or don’t admit it publicly. Casey is no longer tied down with a child and she absolutely believes she will be a free person one day in the not so distant future and believes her life will be even better without the responsibility of Caylee. She is biding her time, writing to all her misguided fans, manipulating jail personnel and working on her defense. She is frequently made to feel very important due to the visits of her high-profile attys. and this feeds her ego and gives her a new sense of purpose. She is not lonely and has visions of granduer that satisfy her every need. She cannot allow herself to see her life as it really is and what the gravity of her crime has done to everyone around her. She is not capable of this type of thinking. It would bring discomfort to her and it is not in her realm of thinking or feeling. She has moved on and is busy setting herself up for a new life outside bars.
Amy said once in her LE interview that Casey did laundry at Ricardo’s.I have no idea how often. Maybe she already had that laundry bag in her trunk or with her? I will go find it and put the link on here for you all.
I still don’t get how some think that C&G knew long before the 911 call… If you had weeks to make this plan why on earth would the plan start with Cindy calling 911 several times and telling them about the car smelling like a dead body. Also right infront of the police showing them the credit cards that Casey stole from her and such.. So this is the big laid out plan they came up with?? It wasn’t till a while later that Cindy switched it to rotting food was the smell.
If they already knew why the heck would they even go get the car back?? Wouldn’t you a better back up plan like say maybe claiming the car was stolen or something? Would you really pick up the phone and call 911 and ask for them to arrest your daughter if you are trying to protect her?? Does this make sense?
Maura,
Way back at 273, Yes I am still reading (way behind) and the $35, yes a gouge,…..oops, admin fee. Notice of same arriving on the 11th (if true), would have me equally wondering whether ‘sender’ or ‘receiver’ was the cause of delay at this point FWIW. Thanks for taking the time.
Blink #382
I wouldn’t give you any guff for that, and I truly hope you are dead wrong (which is a rare thing;)
Yeah, Baez has competent assistance, but knowing how to properly lay the ground for a Motion? That is the basics (and Baez gets an EPIC FAIL on his earlier attempts). Before Lyons came on board, we can see how sloppy/poorly crafted his work was.
They may (now) know what they are doing, but… they still have to deal with the evidence. How will they get around the INCONTROVERTIBLE facts?? (not the looney-tunes family statements, interviews, deposition testimony, but rather the facts which cannot be twisted into illogical knots).
They still must deal with 31 days, no report of child “missing”, coupled with Casey’s behavior during that time period as observed by numerous, sane witnesses with no “interest” in shielding her/themselves from a LOT of highly incriminating evidence. (i.e. non-Anthony-family members)
They still have to deal with the fact that she LIED to LE the night Caylee was reported as “missing”/”kidnapped”, and has ADMITTED that she lied.
They have to deal with the fact that there is no evidence of the existence of the key players in her story. (Which were not cooked up like a Big Mac and a side of fries at the last minute! This is KEY!!She was using the names ZFG/Jeff Hopkins/Zachary for a long time. Some think that means maybe the phantom nanny existed. But the incontrovertible fact is that she does NOT exist. Casey did not have any documented contact with any such persons, and no one else can account for her incarnation of them. So if someone else is responsible for Caylee’s death, how did Casey know to start creating an alibi for that person YEARS in advance?!).
More incontrovertible facts:
Garbage bags from Anthony home.
Duck tape/fingerprints.
Heart-shaped sticker residue.
DECOMP in trunk of Pontiac.
Caylee’s post-mortem hair in trunk of Pontiac.
We could all add to the pile.
Additionally–
And this is not a minor point:
They still have to deal with their client. No matter how chummy they may appear in court with her, you have to know she is frustrating them. How would one go about advising Casey Marie Anthony without running into the brick wall that is her entirely absent conscience?
And I believe I mentioned this earlier, but you can bet the farm that during trial, there will be all kinds of professionals (lawyers/psych/forensic/etc) on TV news/entertainment shows (from CNN to ABC to NG to JVM, etc) that will be suggesting the State’s case is weak, or that the defense is scoring lots of points, blahblahblahhhhhhblahhhhhhh.
(Here is a hint: NEVER hire any of the talking-head lawyers you see on these shows if you are ever in need of advice/counsel (unless you are mainly interested in selling your story/getting media attention. Then, by all means, go for it). However, if you want the best possible representation, find someone whose name is not synonymous with media attention, who comes highly recommended, and who has zero interest in the spot light. Top lawyers don’t seek to be famous on that level. They take pride in hard work, and the reputation it earns them among other members of the bar/the courts. Do you remember the name of the attorney who represented Oliver North in the Iran-Contra hearings?? “Sir, I am not a potted plant.” Most people? Probably not off the top of their head, despite the fact that this man was on every single TV station, all day, day in and day out, sitting right beside North during the hearings, constantly advising him before he answered questions. Constantly!)
(pssst.. it was Brendan Sullivan. And I bet people are unaware of his excellent work in numerous other high profile cases as well. Check him out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Sullivan)
Gotta catch up on other posts, but had to respond to that one, Blink;)
on an earlier thread here, there was a comment that:
“George lied about seeing Caylee and Casey together on June 16th with a ‘TV movie-picture perfect’ reason, remembering his FoodTV show.”
that’s info that I’d like to know – what’s the name of the show that he claimed to be watching? or, where would I find such specific info? I just don’t recall him specifying one (and I completely agree with the comment entirely), and it’s frustrating me at the moment.
thanks, brilliant blinkers!
Re #403. As I recall, Hoover reported to TES that someone had seen a car like Casey’s in the area that the body was eventually found. Could there be another witness out there who saw her car, and the State hasn’t released that information yet? One can hope.
suz, obviously something was needed to carry the body that was decomposing and two trash bags apparently (from what has been discussed here or other places) could rip easily. There’s also speculation that the laundry bag was stolen from someone’s place to tie that person into the death. Just like the trash in Casey’s car– not ‘stolen’ but taken from Tony’s place with all sorts of packaging that those boys threw away, including a NL’s receipt from Fusion. etc
Casey was in several people’s homes during the 31 days.
GypsyDD, good questions. quote on the baptism subject from Orlando Sentinel’s tv blog writer HB:
“When your baptisms are controversial, you really have an image problem.”
What WERE they thinking– other than making a production out of their baptism by doing it on Caylee’s birthday. All for show– if they were being baptised (re-baptised, whatever), they should be doing it for ‘themselves’ personally, not using little Caylee’s day. But then they used her service for a ‘show’ too, and for ‘Casey’ as much, if not more, than Caylee.
405 Comment by westsidehudson
You Stated:
“However, they have lost reasonable doubt in regard to the Zenaida Gonzales. The state has proven that she doesn’t exist. NO PAPER TRAIL, NO EYEWITNESSES: NOTHING.”
Have they PROVEN that Zenaida Gonzalez, doesn’t exist ??
It should be easy for everyone of us to ask ourselves, Yes, I am 100% certain that Zenaida Gonzalez does not exist or NO, I am not 100% certain that Zenaida Gonzalez does not exists.
It is on Ricardo Morales’s interview where he says July 1st she was washing clothes at his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ0ngVWEzs8&feature=related
at 3:25 minutes in.
Does anyone have the link to Lee and Tony’s taped conversation?
Thank you
#419 ,i think as the numbers changed on me,or did the clean up attempt ruin it/
To Lee’s statement in Mn’M depo, we have Lee’s own highly contradictory statement that he believes everything his sister tells him.
JM, was questioning Lee at that point (IIRC), and wanted to know from Lee, what he meant by that. I think we had some Luka static on the line at that point. I assumed Lee was towing the family line, their set up ‘belief system’, but after reading Blink’s comments to posts recently about Baez’s involvement in the Anthony home while Casey was in jail, suggestions of the Anthony’s being coached by the defense, I’ve become more aware of the ‘team’ that went ‘to lunch’ during Cindy’s depos taken by the prosecution.
Lee would then have also been coached, well prepared for his depo, and to Casey’s lies, which Lee has stated to witnesses (by way of those witness statements to LE ).
We may have the answer to JM’s question about why Lee said, under oath, that he believes everything his sister tells him ‘because I have to’.
Lee has to, not because his parents say so, but because Casey’s defense team tells him that is what he must do– everything that Casey says is to be taken, for the purposes of her defense, as believable, ‘its the truth’.
Could this reveal a defense strategy for trial, that Casey’s statements are to be believed? (except for her purposeful lies, stealing etc, to save her family, which of course, Casey admitted to)
#395 Elmo
True, we know she was not REALLY and LEGALLY in a position to purchase property, but in her scheming fantasy world, I was imagining she may have gone there trying to figure out how she could scam it. She had created that back story of getting her parents house, revealing the desire to be rid of them and living on her own. I was thinking maybe she spent time after the killing to explore her next step. I am also intrigued about what she considers to be a neutral place. In my mind, the answers to these questions speak to motive.
Tony & Lee’s undercover conversations…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8epk45N0Q&feature=PlayList&p=BBE8F7DB045119D3&playnext=1&playnext_fromPL&index=90
#433 Kosmo Secret video of Lee in Tony’s car
Go down left side of page to Evidence released 4/6
Lee with Tony part 1,2,3,&4
http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html
Julie, Casey also washed clothes at Tony’s place according to Nathan Pg 17 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5687695/Casey-Anthony-Nathan-Lezniewicz-transcript
As for existence of ZG, back to ZG and Annie’s Excellent Adventure!! (and way more to come, I’m sure!)
Suz, #344–I’m paranoid enough myself to know I would not, without serious, serious consideration, subject myself to a lie detector test.
That said, if my grandaughter was truly missing, and if I in fact had no clue of her whereabouts, I would DEFINETLY be the one to drag the tester to my home within hours of finding her missing, in order to be sure that the focus of finding her was not skewed by anything to do with me.
At the time of the Anthony’s “The focus should be on finding Caylee!!” mantra, why they would refuse a lie detector test is beyond bizarre.
First time poster, but long time reader. In my facination with this case, I’ve relied on this site for the most comprehensive analysis of the case, with the least amount of emotion. Kudo’s to you, Blink for keeping things in check.
If Baez was any sort of halfway-decent defense attorney, since he has most of the evidence from the prosecution, he can see this is a losing battle, and it would be better to plea out instead of going down the pride tube. He should also be taking into consideration the publicity of the case, and more than likely she would actually be considered safer if she WAS in prison for life, as opposed to being mixed in with society
OMG-what a horrifying display of grammar and spelling errors in my posting debut. I guess I only have my emotion in this case to blame. Apologies to all!
caution– my statement about Lee being coached — something got missed in my typing and I didn’t finish the second thought in the sentence properly, sorry for the confusion there– I think this was all I was trying to say: [Lee would then have also been coached, well prepared for his depo. Lee had talked about Casey's lies, lying, to witnesses as per the LE statements of those witnesses.]
#421 Boz – that story from a mom whose little girl was hospitalized after contact with george and cindy sounds like absolute garbage to me – mom sounds like a nut. i dont buy for one second that george and cindy are dangerous to other kids. They loved Caylee and provided all the toys etc any 2 year old would love – look at the toy house complete with her own kitchen. The whole back yard is for Caylee. It is only in Caylees death that they sure seem to not care about her any longer.
#424 Kosmo – I am with you . If all of this story was figured out 2 weeks in advance, then why is it all so stupid and a story that no one would believe. None of this sounds very rehearsed to me.
Midwest Mom– it’s not 100% anything– it’s the totality of things that will result in reasonable doubt or not. (tree in forest)
I wonder if Casey’s instructions from the kidnapping Zenaida included going to club fusion, using a parking lot as an outhouse, getting a tattoo, stealing and forging Amy’s checks, and the best one of all, getting a transient to claim that Casey spent the week with him, so she couldn’t have done it
#431-”Have they PROVEN that Zenaida Gonzalez, doesn’t exist ?? ”
I’m sure many do exist with that name. No one by that name ever lived at Sawgrass and babysat for Casey.
Everyone has a paper trail. Where did her kids go to school?
Where is any phone # or email that can be attributed to her? There are none. NO ONE other than Casey has ever purportedly seen her. There is NO EVIDENCE of this person. NO ONE HAS MET her. NO ONE ELSE has spoken with her on the phone.
Reasonable doubt is not 100% you are certain or not. It has to do with what can you accept with reason, or not accept with reason. It’s not reasonable , based on all of the investigative work, that not one iota of something concrete points to the existence of this person, not even one photo….And Casey was an aspiring photographer that constantly took pictures. And if you buy the lie, she saw this person nearly everyday. And took Caylee to the beach, etc. Why wouldn’t there be a photo with Caylee and her children?
Based on that, I’d say they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that this person doesn’t exist.
#431-”Have they PROVEN that Zenaida Gonzalez, doesn’t exist ?? ”
I’m sure many do exist with that name. No one by that name ever lived at Sawgrass and babysat for Casey.
Everyone has a paper trail. Where did her kids go to school?
Where is any phone # or email that can be attributed to her? There are none. NO ONE other than Casey has ever purportedly seen her. There is NO EVIDENCE of this person. NO ONE HAS MET her. NO ONE ELSE has spoken with her on the phone.
Reasonable doubt is not 100% you are certain or not. It has to do with what can you accept with reason, or not accept with reason. It’s not reasonable , based on all of the investigative work, that not one iota of something concrete points to the existence of this person, not even one photo….And Casey was an aspiring photographer that constantly took pictures. And if you buy the lie, she saw this person nearly everyday. And took Caylee to the beach, etc. Why wouldn’t there be a photo with Caylee and her children?
Based on that, I’d say they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that this person doesn’t exist.
And there will be more on the ‘timing’ of Caylee’s demise from the prosecution. Why this happened at this particular time will include a lot more facts than an argument between C and C. Casey can push her mom into an argument, do something to raise and escalate a conflict at any given point, so that wasn’t necessarily something out of Casey’s control that just happened.
There is the growing child, the developing child, the child who is becoming more and more demanding for a young mother to watch every second as she becomes increasingly mobile, talkative, able to repeat what she hears (hardly able to keep her in bed with mom having sex, cuddling, or as words about the subject slip out, baby is learning to catch words and repeat at some unexpected time). Caylee was to become a potential liability to Casey’s control of the flow of information to her family, friends and others.
Does 1625 Curry Ford Road = Chris Stutz parent’s house ?