Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Friction Ridges Duct Tape and Suds
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Discovery Review Part II
Orlando, FL– In Part I, we reviewed the Latent Lift Myth.
Adding to the quagmire of why Linda Kenney Baden maintains there are no prints on the duct tape, one reviews Ms. Baden’s amended motion for discovery.
Ms. Baden requests the specific 18 latent lifts and subsequent file information from the FBI reports in “this matter”. However, those tests were performed from items removed from the Anthony home by Orange County Sheriffs Office, not the FBI, thus the “THERE ARE NO LATENT LIFTS IN THIS CASE”.
How does the defense attorney entrusted to interpret the forensic evidence in a death penalty case not know with what agency that information is held? It was released months ago.
Within the discovery, their is an email indicating a few areas of the tape were swabbed in the final testing process (CU) with methanol. This is performed on the non-adhesive side of the tape. Does it make sense if your sole intent was to extract DNA from this tape that you would be reduced to swabbing only the side of the tape NOT affixed to Caylee’s face?
It only makes sense if your goal is to preserve the integrity of what appears on the adhesive side, and exclude the possibility of DNA on areas that will not compromise the sample in that regard.
Fibers Differ
Although the FBI has concluded that the adhesive on the duct tape from the crime scene, on Caylee’s skull, and the Anthony home are CHEMICALLY THE SAME, Brad Conway releases the portion of the report that states that microscopically the tape fabric composition of the samples are dissimilar.
Now, admittedly I had the where- with- all to choose the smartest girl in my IPS class to be my lab partner while everybody else joked around and blew each others bunsons out. However, my guess is if you were to match conditions to the tape from the crime scene to that on the gas can and shelf from the shed, they would magically appear “SIMILAR”.
Difference between quantitative and observed, no? If that is the defense teams idea of junk science, I might agree. This brand of duct tape has not been manufactured since 2007.
How hard do we think it is going to be for the State to locate this exact production batch? They are as close to an MSDS report away.
Weed Eaters
In the CSI notes from OCSO, initial responders, we note 4 different areas where Agent Bloise marks 4 areas; 3 are under wood chips and the 4th is under the platform of 16×16 pavers from the July yardscaping.
Buried within the FBI contact logs from the latest discovery, we learn that OCSO has at least one of those, if not all, in evidence. Where were they sent and what are the results? Could they be in the company of the much anticipated soil samples taken from the Anthony yard?
The examination and testing of soil samples from the trunk have also not been disclosed to date.
The OTHER Laundry Bag
As reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com, the original report of the laundry bag had the incorrect model. 
The rectangular laundry bag, referred to as K33 in the most recent report, was recovered at the Anthony home on a top shelf in the East side of the garage.
In the latest FBI report, K33 appears under the “additional items from the vehicle” category. Not in the items from the residence and is examined with the items found with the Dora backpack or diaperbag as it is sometimes referred to.
What does that mean? Category oversight, OR, did OCSO find out that laundry bag was removed from Casey’s car?
To be Continued:
Part III The Disappearing Lingering Stain
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AAAhh, I get it now!!, I’m not feeling so dizzy anymore..Thanks Blink. I too noticed the laundry bag in the trunk reference.
Point of clarification MWM: VEHICLE.
I do not believe it was in the trunk.
B
Wow, interesting about the laundry bag! What does it all mean??
Blink, Don’t forget that that laundry bag found on the shelf was inside of a green garbage bag…I am so fasinated by the forenics of a green garbage bags…only 17 boxes are ever produced by a manufacture company..that makes the odds exremely high if the bags can also be connected to the A’s as those of Caylee remain.
Thanks, did not forgot, I am still focused on the “why” of the category change.
B
Blink– I”m looking forward to the ‘non’ magic/non fantasy/non hoax/non cheeze toast analysis!!! Great stuff to come…
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Thank you for explaining the latent prints confusion, Blink. I think I understand now. I know I was nagging about it earlier, sorry…
I do remember reading that the laundry bag from the Anthony residence was found on a top shelf near the washer and it was either wrapped or covered with a plastic bag. Why would anybody put a laundry bag in another bag or take the trouble to cover it up? I found that odd. But I use hampers, not laundry bags so laundry bags are foreign to me. Even if she washed it …. if it was in that car it should still hold usefull information … that would explain it being put away … Cindy probably never thought it would be usefull to the truth. Some would say: she’d throw it away, but she simply washed Casey’s pants that were also in the car, did she not? She’s a cheapskate. Bet that crap cost at least $7.99 … maybe even $8.
This little defense nitpicking on the evidence has made me think of a great analogy: Blink: the evidence Casey has to eat and digest in this case is like a giant turd sandwitch. Bozo doesn’t dispute that we have PLENTY of turd … maybe he’ll acknowledge that we have a bit of lettuce, maybe some special sauce, maybe the cheese, maybe the onions … but he’ll claim that because a few of the seseme seeds fell off the bun it’s not really a turd sandwitch. I say: bon appetit~!
I wish there was this much info on the Cummings case. I hear the girders holding the truth out of reach buckling and straining.
Blink, you are my hero.
Blink– question about the technical process of the duct tape as pictured above. I’ve noticed that the ‘weft’ or in this photo ‘horizontal’ fibres as seen obviously with the aid of ‘transmitted light’ (light source behind the tape, photographed from the front), that these weft fibres are distorted in ‘wave’ patterns, while the warp fibres (lengthwise) fibres are not.
I assume that this is from the ‘calendaring’ process mentioned in the FBI specs sheet for this specific tape, that would be running the layers that form the tape through rollers to bind the layers together (not sure if this includes the adhesive layer at this point?)
I assume this is a wide sheet of the tape fabric, and slicing the sheet to final tape width to form individual rolls (not sure which comes first, cutting then rolling, or vica versa). I wonder if there’s any useful patterning, or dimensions to the wave distortion of these fibres, that might coincide with the same spot on the calendaring rolls, so not only would there be the width of the ripped fibre ends to compare to another piece of tape, but maybe the pattern of the waves might put a specific roll of tape to that very same production. Even if the fibres were frayed and degraded, some of that patterning might still be useful?
There could be a host of variations from lot to lot, that would be tolerable for it’s end use and technical specs, couldn’t there? Maybe far less tolerance for differences than in an ordinary household tape. Would the patent have been transferred to another manufacturer or is this info now public?
Kleat, I worked in the paper industry for Georgia Pacific for 12 years. If tape is made anything like paper it happens like this…The paper runs lengthwise, fibres are longer in the machine direction and also has the most strength.So when you hear anyone talk about tensile strength its because there is a force at the top and at the bottom of the sample pulling it apart (lbs/force) Anyway the initial roll coming off the paper machine is called the “parent roll” Every roll of Quilted Northern or Angel Soft we made can be referenced back to that “parent roll” in case of customer complaints. Once the parent roll is taken off the stand after it is moved to the rewinders where the paper is now wound unto smaller rolls for easier handling. Then the paper is wound on one long “log” could be 15 feet long. After it has wound the number of times per order it goes to a “saw log” and there it is cut into the desired widths….Remember each roll of tape or bath tissue can be referenced back to that parent roll the date and time it was made and the paper recipe used to make that paper/tape.
Outstanding article. You do some really impressive work.
I love the timing. Just last week I conveyed the same point regarding tape & “no fingerprints “ to a columnist at the Orlando Sentinel. Points you and Maura presented made it clear to me.
Taking it one step further… Knowing there are some prints from someone on that tape speaks volumes as to who they belong to by the state going for DP, and also not naming whose they are.
Keep up the great work!!!
TY for mentioning me in the same thread as Maura
B
By the way regarding the “Heinkel” logo. That is put on as the cloth of the tape is being run. That is applied by a roll called the dandy roll. The logo is in the exact same spot throughout the roll. For example every 12″ etc.
Very interesting Ms Blink. I am glad we are getting back to the dirt samples, and hopefully the maggots and flies too. And don’t forget the turpins. Now that should be some fascinating reading.
Leave it to you to state one of the most essential observations- the turpins.
That will cover Dr. Haskell’s price of admission alone
B
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think there is any actual ‘evidence’ of the heart shaped sticker residue? No images (that we know of), nothing. That’s what started a whole discussion thread to begin with . . . I’m not disputing that it was probably there based upon the FBI technician notes.
I am a little bit concerned about some of the new comments lately taking for granted some things that have been speculated on – as actual ‘evidence’. Such as, the Ant’s cleaning the car. I have not seen that documented anywhere. I also have not seen anything in evidence about a syringe in a gatorade bottle? Can someone point me in that direction?
Now everyone who’s seen me post here for a while knows I’m not an Ant supporter – I just want to get back to what makes this site so great – facts.
The particular Henkel Duct tape found on the gas can and Caylee’s skull is only 1/5 of 1%(percent)of all Henkel brand duct tape sold.
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20713937/index.html
Ah ha! Again, awesome. So “someone” cleans out the car backseat (I assume along with the pants that ended up laundered) and threw it on the shelf in the garage, allegedly? OCSO collects it with other evidence and FBI determines similarities between it and the backpack, etc.which is useful in testing? Interesting…
**Head spinning**…..
I think if I ever understood anything Kleat said, I’d not only learn a lot, but I’d become very intelligent along the way.
I’ll keep trying because I bet if it didn’t seem like it was typed in Korean, and I only read English, it would be very interesting…
Blink,
Thank you again for another informative, most insightful article.
re: Change of Category
A micro-piece food for thought..
If I recall, the rectangular bag was described being the same “make” as the other bag. Is it possible they were sold together as a set? That might have pointed to a possibility the 2 bags were in the vehicle at the same time at one point, and then the rectangular bag was tested accordingly.
I offer this only in the absence of forensic observations/results or witness statements.
Possible, yes.
B
I looked at the link you provided re: LBK asking for information on 18 latent prints…I couldn’t find it in the documents.
I agree with her motion, though..the state does appear to be holding on to certain evidence. Interesting how alot of those documents were just released, 2 weeks after her second motion to compel and some 6 months or so after the tests were performed. She got some but not all of the documents she was requesting.
page 21-22
She was requesting information from the wrong agency. How is that solidifying her motion?
B
(To my last post– these rolls of tape have to be individually spooled, otherwise, there are two problems I’m surmising. First, the tension on each roll must be the same for all in the run, that can’t happen if a wide roll is spooled, there is stretch and tensioning at the edges would be different from the middle. Also, cutting a large wide spooled roll would create problems in slicing the layered material with adhesive. Also, the report talks about spooling standards, the only way a spool contents could possibly telescope is if it is spooled individually. This probably isn’t important at all, but I bet those materials scientists know every detail of the processing of duct tape in general, and this specific tape certainly now, in particular. )
I’m thinking outside of the box a little I apologize…
If a “body” in a garbage bag, was placed in a deep freezer “chest”
for several days (3-4) and then placed into a hot trunk that had been in the Florida sun… other that condensation, what would happen to the carpet fibers due to the temprature differences? I’m thinking “matting” of the fibers would occur. Skin gets burned at very low temps. I know I’ve dropped ice on the floor and it got stuck momentarily in the carpet…..
back to lurking …
Dont lurk, very intelligent question and to be honest, I thought of that as well as the Anthony’s have a chest freezer.
Here’s the problem though, that “stain” lit up with ALS. George noticed the stain as new.
B
So are you sayin that the laundry bag was in the passenger part of the car and that Cindy took it out and washed it?
If so, why was Caylee found in a laundry bag at the remains site?
I know it must be simple to some but I am not understanding one of the steps here?
Two more things-
Is a frozen body heavier than umm… an unfrozen one?
Oh no! What would a deep freeze do to duct tape?
Time to get out the chemistry set.
what is a turpin? I tried googling it and came up with nothing that would relate to this case.
What is a turpin? Didn’t come up with anything that would make sense with this case when I googled the word. thanks
Does there need to be an image in order to classify it as “evidence?” Is sworn testimony not considered “evidence?” I’m not nearly as legal-savvy as the brainiacs on here but I aslways thought that someone’s sworn word would be evidence.
lily, i am cross posting my post from the last thread relevant to the heart sticker
A raised, pink heart shaped sticker was found stuck to a piece of degraded cardboard at the remains scene Q188 sent to FBI 1/12/09 (photo: n.b. labeled as heart sticker http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set3/1/lg/204028.htm ) (3500, 3751)
The FBI Latent Fingerprint Unit, while processing the duct tape, found residue on the tape in the perfect shape of a heart and sent it to another FBI lab for analysis (3381) http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html
The FBI Questioned Documents Unit found no stickers or sticker fragments on the duct tape (3798, 5583) http://www.wftv.com/blank/19342108/detail.html
debidoll129, the laundry bag in the garage was inside a BLACK plastic bag above the “laundry machine” pg 3378
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B%20TO%203463B%20REDO.pdf
The syringe in the Gatorade bottle is page 3473 of documents released in February. It is Art#3.
lily, the cool blue gatorade bottle was inside a world of disney bag and contained an unknown liquid substance with white sediment, a possible toilet paper roll cardboard, and an unknown additional item (possible syringe in wrapper)in the roll in the bottle. pg 3466
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3464-3513redacted.pdf
dunno if it ever got a Q number, but a sprite can did for some reason
#13 Lily, I agree with you, we need to stick to facts, (and keep the speculation in small doses) as this is what has set Blink up as the only place I come to for information.
Silver, kick butt on your case! I pointed out something I had found out about maggots in a post months ago. It was in a youtube video I don’t have time to search for. But, if anyone doubts maggots and bugs will play a part in this case please read the two pages 28 and 29 here:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/kevin_neal/28.html
Jose Baez made a statement that cannot go unnoticed. “It’s up to” Casey to make the plea. Very telling statement. But, why should she do it right now…it’s to her disadvantage to is why. She is in a private jail cell away from the hardline prison population. She can buy time there by not pleading, and heck, it’s a long time until next summer. And look at all the money being made off of the death of her little daughter. Surely that will go a long way in family members supplying her with money in jail to buy what she wants from the prison store or whatever it’s called.
Blink’s doing an excellent job keeping the defense from making sure all the past evidence is forgotten or twisted by them. I think we Blinker’s should make danged sure we go back and research and remind the readers exactly what evidence is out there. And, BTW, shouldn’t Kathi Belich get the news reporters scoop of the year award.
And how many people do you think are out there looking at old news clips and watching for that RARE brand of duct tape? Follow the trail. Gas can, the mouth and nostrils of that precious baby, and right onto how many posters such a short time later?
I think Cindy, George, and Biaz are playing russian roulette with Casey’s life right now, and have been all along. Cindy and George both know they will never be hired by anyone again. Biaz know’s he’ll always be just another third rate attorney. As my grandma used to say, I guess they are saying “We better be getting while the gettings good.” Money….selling the death of a baby.
Sad isn’t it? It will be a joyfull day when that baby, who, by all accounts, was used as a bargaining board by her own family during lfe, will have justice brought to the one’s responsible for her death. And yes, George and Cindy are responsible for one helluva lot in this fiasco. How many pills do you have to take Cindy to get your eyes to close at night?
lily, page 3480, the disney bag was found really close to the skull
bees knees, i wonder the same thing about witnesses. only 1 fbi person saw the alleged sticker residue; a few of them thought they saw the whatever-shaped stain once 1 pointed it out. That agent can testify all she wants that she saw the residue, but it looks sloppy and suspicious to not have photographed it, especially knowing full well that it might be destroyed.
Blink, inquisitive to #20 by suz, there is an interesting observation. In normal circumstances, why would someone put their laundry bag inside a trash bag? Do you think that was Casey’s handiwork, or is it possible that Cindy had knowledge of the relevance about that bag, and therefor, attempting to “hide” one of the potential links, knowing full well that if that bag in the woods was ever found, thy’d be searching the house for the same type of bag?
To prevent dust?
If they were apt to hide it I would think they would just have gotten rid of it.
B
cindee and sosad, from wikipedia:
Terpenes (pronounced /ˈtɜrpiːn/ TUR-peen) are a large and varied class of hydrocarbons, produced primarily by a wide variety of plants, particularly conifers,[1] though also by some insects such as termites or swallowtail butterflies, which emit terpenes from their osmeterium.
They are the major components of resin, and of turpentine produced from resin. The name “terpene” is derived from the word “turpentine”. In addition to their roles as end-products in many organisms, terpenes are major biosynthetic building blocks within nearly every living creature. Steroids, for example, are derivatives of the triterpene squalene.
When terpenes are modified chemically, such as by oxidation or rearrangement of the carbon skeleton, the resulting compounds are generally referred to as terpenoids. Some authors will use the term terpene to include all terpenoids. Terpenoids are also known as Isoprenoids.
Terpenes and terpenoids are the primary constituents of the essential oils of many types of plants and flowers. Essential oils are used widely as natural flavor additives for food, as fragrances in perfumery, and in traditional and alternative medicines such as aromatherapy. Synthetic variations and derivatives of natural terpenes and terpenoids also greatly expand the variety of aromas used in perfumery and flavors used in food additives. Vitamin A is an example of a terpene.
cindee from WI, i loved loved loved your paper plant stuff! esp. the dandy roll, lol
kleat, yours was fantastic too but requires alot more concentration. will revisit..!
terpenes were found in the trunk i think, but i have never noticed it in discovery. some say it is from pine-sol cleaner or fabreze; some say pine needles. btw, there was only 1 lonely pine at the remains site, sounds like at the shoulder of the road near the body (lane 1)
The expert of all experts on ‘Duct Tape’, not the fire resistant variety mind you, although this expert would surely have benefited from that feature!! This is not Henkel’s “Duck” variety duct tape, but who better to give a tour of the factory and to teach the basics of ‘Duct or Duck’ tape than Mr. Red Green of the Possum Lake Lodge, Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUMjcqQL2EI
I learned that the tape goes onto one big roll called a ‘Jumbo’, and from there, it’s rolled off, sliced to width and rolled on it’s cardboard rollers.
Enjoy! (notice how much of the stuff he gets away with!)
Hey CindeefromWisconsin, Thanks!! Good lesson!
RG’s tour of the 3M regular DT plant is of course, missing the dandy roll! But it’s the basics at least. Sounds a lot simpler than making paper and a lot drier process too! For paper, the dandy roll would put a watermark or embossed pattern where the tape has it’s ID printed on? I wonder if the ID is actually integrated into the poly sheet so that it’s not added as a printed ink or adhered label which may not stand up to the elements or heat because of ink binders or laminating. That way the polyethelene sheet used is distinguished from any other silver polyethelene before it gets used in the duct tape process. And if the same equipment is used for various tapes, wouldn’t need to refit to include a dandy roll.
Kleat your knowledge base in these areas from yesterday and today is astounding. Wow.
B
If it will help, see item on “turpins:”
The reference to “turpins in the trunk of her car” is made by Padilla in the Nancy Grace show; see transcript aired April 24, 2009. See “http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/03/ng.01.html
PADILLA: No, not about the case, but there was certainly a lot of conversation around Tracy, who was in the room with Casey quite a — the full nine days, ten days that she was there.
But Mike, let me jump back to something, OK? The area that the cop was taken to, the area the detectives looked for, is 75 feet from where the body was found. There are two stacks of pavers. Everybody is fixating on the first stack, which is — he obviously tripped on the pavers and said to whoever leaked the information out, I tripped on the pavers.
The pavers that you see from the road are 75 feet down from the pavers that were by the body. She drove her car down along that fence and pulled it to a stop because there was turpins (ph) found in the trunk of the car. You don`t find turpins in the trunk of a car that just drives up and down the freeway. You got to get down into the forest.
NancyS, there are two styles of the Whitney design laundry bags, the one at the crime scene was a barrel shape, round opening at the top, and the ones of the Anthony’s were rectangular.
I think the question now, is why was the Anthony laundry bag found in Casey’s car. (did she use it to enclose the other laundry bag and it’s double-bagged contents?– maybe easier design to carry. If it had been in the trunk as the outer envelope of the ‘package’, then kept after the body was dumped at the woods in the ‘non Anthony home’ laundry bag, that would be one explanation for the laundry bag in the car.
Why would a laundry bag need washing, except having been in a ‘smokey environment’ as in Tony’s apartment– but Tony, nor Amy remembered any laundry container that Casey used. Maybe the bag had some mould staining or residue (carpet fibres possible) from being in the trunk, maybe soil, grass stains, on it’s base,if it were on the back yard ground, or the dumping area ground, or maybe it was ‘clean’ but smelled of the car odour and that’s the only reason it was washed.
The Anthony laundry bag would not be explainable in the ‘nanny’ story if the ‘nanny’ dumped the body, but a different laundry bag, could fit, and Cindy would not be missing one of her bags. The rest of the items, the quilt, the clothing, all could be part of what ‘the nanny’ would have had for Caylee, but the laundry bag couldn’t be explained– Caylee didn’t need to be sent to the nanny with a big laundry bag.
That bag could have been the ‘tote’ for the whole body package.
About that laundry bag. A lot of what-if’s, so please bear with me.
“If” it was in the vehicle when the A’s brought it home from the tow yard, why wouldn’t they have turned it over to LE in the beginning? If it was in there and if it had stains or an odour like the pants, then like the pants it would have been laundered. So why wrap it up in a plastic bag and conceal it from LE? If laundering didn’t help remove stains or odour would the A’s really simply put it on a garage shelf and risk such a blatant obstruction charge?
When the bag was discovered and collected in December by LE and it did have an odour like the car, especially after being preserved in the wrapping of a plastic bag, wouldn’t LE have connected it to the vehicle right away and filed it under items from the vehicle? I’m thinking it did not have an odour.
Maybe it “wasn’t” in the car anymore when the A’s picked it up.
If it was wrapped and put in the garage before the car was abandoned,
then it was likely removed by Miss A as it would have been a link to to the other laundry bag that was with her daughter. But it doesn’t make sense she would then place it in her parent’s garage.
But if it was placed there some time “after” the first evidence collection in July but before the Suburban crime scene discovery, who would have done that and why? Did someone find it somewhere else but couldn’t reconcile turning it over themselves to LE and implicating Miss A? Maybe the best they could do was to place it in the garage knowing it would eventually be found by LE. Maybe by someone who eventually realized the horrifying truth and this bag’s connection to it. And maybe put there when the A’s went to California.
(I sill have a problem with the fact that when the baby was discovered, the A’s were visibly out of town and a very private LA was visibly sitting in an Orlando courtroom.)
If it was not in the trunk, like Blink believes, possible once the photo of that bag was made public and published by the media, it jogged someone’s memory of seeing it in the vehicle (or an acquaintance of Miss A’s who was missing a bag just like that) and they notified LE. Could even have been a follower of blinkoncrime and was alerted to it by Blink’s article. Woah, woah, WOAH … Blink, what makes you believe the bag was not in the trunk? Woah…is this coming up?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-state-response-100509,0,4494604,comment-display-all.story
ok don’t throw the eggs at me, I was reading this article and the posting by folks on there, there came a point in time that I almost got choked up over the hatred towards these people. Clearly I do not feel me and the A’s are BFF I just feel sad that they have to be the most hated grandparents in the world, and why that doesn’t affect them is a mystery to me, I can’t understand that level of denial.
In closing I just want to again commend Blink and all the contributors on this site for maintaining a sense of dignity about themselves and keeping it real without the hate, sometimes we crack a joke or two to ease the tention but we keep it under control, it makes all this a little easier to bare and understand, and to that I am honored to be a part of this bunch.
Keep up the GREAT work folks!
Could a “PLEA” be in the works?
http://www.wftv.com/news/21209000/detail.html
Casey’s Attorney Answers ‘Plea Deal’ Question
Posted: 5:21 pm EDT October 5, 2009
Updated: 6:19 pm EDT October 5, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — For the very first time in the case against Casey Anthony, her lawyer says he won’t rule out the chance of a plea deal.
“Prosecutors still haven’t publicly offered a deal to Casey, but over the weekend talk show host Geraldo Rivera asked Baez, with all the evidence against Casey, why not agree to a plea deal to save her life. Baez says it’s up to Casey.
“Well, that’s not my decision to make. Umm, that, any plea that would ever be taken would have to be taken by Casey and she would have to accept a plea, if one were offered,” Baez told Rivera.
“The proper response would have been, ‘Are you kidding me? She’s innocent! We pled not guilty. We are going to trial,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said (watch full interview).
Baez made the surprising statements Sunday during a New York media blitz.”
In the past Baez has always been steadfast at the notion his client “is innocent” could this be an indication that indeed a plea is coming down the pipe?
I can handle a plea, a trial would be interesting though, what if there is a plea, what would become of the evidence in this case is it sealed or released how does that work?
thanks!
ya know…for as, ummm, unsophisticated as Casey is/was – it really amazes me that the state/forensics is having to work as hard as it is in order to find evidence.
One would think, with as careless as Casey must have been in that short window of time surrounding Caylee’s murder – there would be a LOT more incriminating evidence to be found.
I know, for some of you, there seems to be a treasure trove of evidence. But, to me…it just seems like tiny bits and pieces that need to be strung together to get a conviction.
I wish/hope there is a HUGE…well…”GOTCHA” piece of evidence yet to come..because, even with ALL that has been revealed up to date…I could see where the defense could put reasonable doubt in a jurors head.
I, so very much, want justice for precious, sweet, innocent Caylee. I want her little girl voice to be heard in a big way. She, at the very least, deserves that.
Also – Blink and others here:
I, in no way, mean to minimalize your fabulous efforts in bringing forth the evidence that does exist. You guys are doing a MAGNIFICENT job!
My only point is..one would think there would be so much more OBVIOUS evidence to be had. How in the world did Casey get so lucky as to have such small bits of evidence in commiting such a huge crime with such tragic results.
I am so sorry but Fred- Turd Sandwich!! Now that was HILARIOUS! Laughed til I cried!!!
Thanks!
NancyS- About the laundry bag. THe hypothesis is this: When the car was brought back from the tow yard, Casey had a laundry bag in her car. SOMEONE took that hamper out of the car, placed it in a tash bag (presumably to hide it) and put it on the shelf in the garage. SOMEONE must have realized that it have evidentiary value or why hide it?
Also, I remember it beingstated that this was a NEW laundry bag, still in the packaging, similar to the one Caylee’s body was found in. Wondering what was on that JCPenney reciept from June 27th.
Perri-
nice to see you. The bags are different entirely, they are only similar in that they both come from the same collection at Target. The corresponding product number to the rectangular bag is actually for a recyclable carrier thingy.
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That is mysterious about the second laundry bag. However, if i were storing one in my garage (which is also the laundry room for the Ants), I’d put it in plastic to keep it from getting all dusty and yucky.
Fred, the bags are more like hampers (they stand up, then crush flat for storage) than laundry bags. In fact, Whitney Design sells laundry bags in addition to these “storage containers” as they call them on their site. The bags in question are listed under “Hampers and Sorters” on their site, and not under “Laundry Bags,” which are indeed the big, soft bags with drawstring closures that you picture pea coat clad merchant marines slinging over their shoulders when boarding a freighter on a foggy night.
perriwinkle, that raises so many questions for me.
biggest one: why just hide the bag and not throw it away?
the car came back home many months before the body was found in the other laundry bag, so who would think that it a bag in there had evidentiary value way back then? or do you think they hid it on december 12 or whenever they got back from the ritz after the remains were found?
are you saying casey bought a new bag to replace the one she took from the home? interesting possibility i reckon…
what were the ants using for a hamper, say from june 16 forward?
wpgmouse and Perriwinkle — This is exactly where my train of thought is regarding the laundry bag and rectangular bag. They could have been a set, or KC could have bought one of both. I have a couple similar rectangular bags and they are really handy for carrying laundry, a picnic etc. Would work really well to hold items inside the car with the additional convenience of carrying handles to tote it to and from various boyfriends’ homes. Being that it’s possible they were both new items, I can only pray that KC bought them and that LE can prove it.