Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Will a Conviction in Fraud Case Hemorrage the Defense Fund?
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Orlando, FL– Since the State Attorney’s office filed their motion to proceed in the forgery, theft and fraud case against her, I have been positive this legal maneuver was the equivalent of bringing a bazooka to a thumb wrestling match.
Doesn’t it appear that that bell just re-rung when the motion to proceed to trial on the economic crimes was granted?
Casey Anthony is facing 13 felony charges of forgery, petty theft and ID theft; to be scheduled for trial in the near future per Stan Strickland’s remarks in his motion response.
The ripple effect most consider “chump change” when weighing the murder indictment and possible death penalty conviction; I disagree.
The outcome of her economic charges trial may very well seal the fate of the murderl trial. Precisely the resounding defense’s worst nightmare for a bevy of reasons.
Son of Sam Law
Florida Statute 944.512
944.512 State lien on proceeds from literary or other type of account of crime for which convicted.
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(1) A lien prior in dignity to all others shall exist in favor of the state upon royalties, commissions, proceeds of sale, or any other thing of value payable to or accruing to a convicted felon or a person on her or his behalf, including any person to whom the proceeds may be transferred or assigned by gift or otherwise, from any literary, cinematic, or other account of the crime for which she or he was convicted. A conviction shall be defined as a guilty verdict by a jury or judge, or a guilty or nolo contendere plea by the defendant, regardless of adjudication of guilt. The lien shall attach at the time of the conviction in county or circuit court. In the event of an appeal, the funds will be held in the Revolving Escrow Trust Fund of the Department of Legal Affairs until the appeal is resolved.
Sweet Mary. Regardless of how the court arrives at “guilty”, the second she is, the State can slap a lien on her “ASSets” . It does not matter who they may have been transferred to ( George, Cindy, Lee, Jose).
The beauty is, the State already knows what they are looking for based on the in-camera portion of the State’s motion for Judge StricKland to review the possibility of a conflict of interest. You remember the one– where Jose Baez got the side bar lashing at it’s conclusion and Jeff Ashton was telepathically repeating “Wipe that smarmy smug off your mug” to Jose Baez.
Casey Anthony would only be entitled to what her “account” of the crime would have been worth PRIOR to her criminal act/ conviction. As she was really only known to the Club Scene and Target, good luck with that.
So, now your saying- well how does the State extrapolate the profit from the convictions PRIOR to the murder trial? You Can’t!
Not really, especially if you factor if one is “in the commission of” concealing the other. The State will be in a serious strength position to freeze Casey Anthony’s cash and the defense will be off like a prom dress.
George and Cindy Anthony Take The Stand
This for me, is the single biggest blow to the capital case against Casey. I have long stated I believe the defense is going to attempt the “confuse the jury of the guilty party” defense. Not new, not original, but in my opinion, in this case, prudent. The Anthony’s have no objection of course as they have a shot at getting their daughter out of prison and can keep their multiple income channels open.
The first salvo will be Casey, through Baez, releases a statement, or in his opening remarks will point the finger at George, Cindy or both.
Voilla! They plead the fifth and get out of testifying against their daughter.
Not going to happen. In order for that to work, the Anthony’s will have to get out of testifying in the economics case, and since she was stealing from them regularly and they have no fear of prosecution for themselves in those matters, THEY TAKE THE STAND. We already know the economic charges are the linchpin for the defense (follow the script) as to Casey’s fear, and why she did not report her child missing for 31 days.
Therefore, the Anthony’s will not be able to pick and choose what they testify to. They go on record in one, they go in both.
The Plea in PLEASE
Lastly, we have Casey Anthony going into a capital murder trial with a felony(s) conviction. There is little doubt it will be intoduced under the prior bad acts rule. Even if Jose Baez were able to advise Casey to proffer a plea, she is still a convicted felon and that sentencing comes first and limits the prosecution and his Honor Stan Strickland as to what sentencing guidelines must be used.
Zero doubt it will not come up from witnesses to the question– What did Cindy Anthony say to you the first time you met her in person?
You see where I am going with that.
It is this editors opinion, Amy Huizenga is my new R U D Y.
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Kleat #119. First I want you to know I’ve read a lot of your posts and know you are much more informed about this case than I. I also respect your intelligence, OK. Now, about Shirley/P and STRESS. It’s MHO the older we get the wiser we get and learn to handle STRESS, pain and grief better as we go along. I have communicated with Rick/P (Cindy’s brother). He and other members of the extended Anthony family are angered and EMBARRASSED by this ugly mess. It seems to me embarrassment is something we just don’t learn to handle. As a matter of fact (MO) the older and wiser (hopefully) we get, it’s more likely you’ll distance yourself from anything or anyone who might remotely embarrass you. JMHO
I too hope she doesn’t have to appear in any court proceeding. The embarrassment just might kill her.
I wrote an article paying Homage to Mrs. Pleasea and Rick. I understand their embarassment, but imho, they are heroes in this case. To date, that is my favorite LE interview. I agree I dont want any stress upon Mrs. P, but I sincerely hope they are aware of the support they have.
B
Chica, that list is so funny. With all that has been investigated, and written about on this site by EXTREMELY talented people, i am surprised that Jose and Company haven’t just given up way before now and running away yelping with their tails between their legs. How could they think they could possible compete with all the info that has been provided here to prosecute Casey for murder. It is really amazing to me. I am just blown away every day when i come here to read. i am so far out of everyone’s league that i dont comment but every so often i have to way WOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!! What a team Caylee has on her side.
ok please dont think I am a total idiot please please please…you all know I am a day late and a dollar short, I have been totally fearful of posting this question but what the hay here goes…
I have heard so much about the pavers and I don’t have a clue about them, I have tried on my own to put it all together, I know DC talked about them I know the A’s had some in the backyard, I know there were some at the wooded area and were kind of marking point by DC in some way, I know LP talked about them all the time, how are they all tied together. recently in this section they have been mentiond in regards to soil matching…I am just not understanding.
thanks as always…
Reason for asking, I was on a weekend hike and my friend kept pointing out the lovely pavers in the German Gardens we walked past and I was going mad absolutley mad cause mind went totally onto this case.
I spent the last 3 days trying to figure his all out and I am stumped, if some wonderful kind sole out there can direct me to prior postings in the past to explain it all I would be so thrilled..
thanks from the lost soul
I have never posted here before, but Blink I have sure enjoyed reading all your comments, but I have a question maybe you can answer, Mr Thompson has just come forward to say he has seen Casey and Caylee, he descirbed what Casey was wearing and more but can he say what Caylee was wearing on the 16th? Wouldnt that help the prosecution establish more?
Yes. I will feel better about him when an OCSO interview is released.
B
Have they ever released the information on Cindy’s charge receipts? You remember, the receipts she wouldn’t give Yuri. Me thinks something on those receipts will link Casey to Caylee’s murder.
I find it so interesting that you don’t get much support fromt he a’s immediate family, I am always on the hunt but find nothing from co- workers neighbors and friends, when I went through my own hell I had an army of supporters, this is truly sad and truly telling
Blink, it’s probably not hard to believe but I come from a very crazy and embarrassing family. I know first hand how it’s tormented me.
You know I’m a late blogger to your site. Could you please direct me to the article and LE interview you referred to in my post 151? Thanks in advance.
I hope I expressed my concern and support to Rick when I communicated with him. I also hope others know some relatives can DO NOTHING about the black sheep(s) in their families.
Certainly-
http://www.wftv.com/blank/18974289/detail.html
#153 Dee
I went to find this info for you and found an article saying that around July 4, 2008, the Anthonys installed or replaced some concrete pavers. When asked about it Cindy would neither confirm or deny. She said, “We are always doing work around here”. LE was suspicious because of the cadaver dogs hitting in the yard. The link I included is the deposition of Dominic Casey who said the pychic told him to look in the woods near the pavers.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974273/detail.html
Blink in your opinion, when the doc dump this week in regards to the final 10400 pages (#?) that the state says they have, is this an attempt to release everything they have (to date as I read in the news) begin the process/wager on an appeal? this is what you have stated you believe will indeed happen, could we finally see a end?
I am praying for that, but honestly, I dont see any serious discussions on it until the economics trial hits the docket.
B
#153 Dee
I went to find this info for you and found an article saying that around July 4, 2008, the Anthonys installed or replaced some concrete pavers. When asked about it Cindy would neither confirm or deny. She said, “We are always doing work around here”.
LE was suspicious because of the cadaver dogs hitting in the yard. The link I included is the deposition of Dominic Casey who said the psychic told him to look in the woods near the pavers.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18974273/detail.html
I wish that all of you would stop making this more interesting than the work I should be doing. I am happily awaiting the next distraction.
Thinking back, I find it very telling at one of the very first jail phone calls where I think it is Cindy asking where Caylee was, and Casey’s response was “Because I don’t know where she’s at, are you kidding me”? Ah, sure sounds like a “concerned” and “petrified” mother who’s daughter is truly “missing”
Maybe the state is thinking Casey od’ed Caylee with the Sudafed? and don’t forget about the traffic stop Casey had. Who’s ID did she used back then. The one to pay the fines?
Blink…..if Casey does plea, can LE still go after the Anthonys for obstruction, tampering, perjury
I don’t see how securing George and Cindy’s testimony is a dent in the Murder charge. They can say that the car smelled like a dead body. They cant testify that Casey was the last person that they knew of that had the car, they don’t know who else had access to it when it wasn’t in their possession, they cant say what was causing the smell, or how long the smell was there, or who put what in the car.
IMO they offer ZERO value to the Murder case.
What did they know about their daughter? umm..not a whole lot! Not where she worked, who her boyfriends were, where she spent her time, who her friends were, what she did daily, who babysat their granddaughter, who the father of their grandchild was, what made Casey sad, what made her happy, what her goals and dreams were. nothing. My guess, would be that many of the detectives, through their experience with the A’s, would say the the same thing
The A’s can offer the words they spoke about Casey, calling her a sociopath, and give their testimonial to what Cindy said to tony and Amy, however those are words, their words, an opinion based on what? Their opinion on who they believed Casey was or what she was doing does not make it FACT.
They can say she lied and stole from them. That does not make a murder but could be valuable in the theft charges!
Respectfully MwM, we disagree. Witness to Casey/Caylee activities, is paramount in the murder case. The defense is planning to use them in that regard, it works both ways. Not only that, but discrediting anything they might have been dishonest about will support the facts, that is the reality.
B
dee
“the dead squirrels, not a person per say but where did they go?”:-)
Ask G.A., he’s the one that supposedly ran over them.
Georgette and Cindy will add much to the murder trial. Of course, their honesty in that trial would be more useful. Until June 16, Casey and Caylee lived at their home. What drove Casey away? What did they do to find Caylee for that 31 days? What did Casey tell them about her job and the nanny? What did Casey tell them about the smelly car and why she abandoned it? Did they clean the car? Casey’s own story and her parents’ reactions to her stories will give Casey the death penalty or LWOP. Casey should never have tried to lie her way out of this.
Hi Midwest MOM…in reference to your post about Cindy and George’s testimony …and this would be a question for Blink…
Isn’t Cindy’s statement on the 911 tape…”Smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car” admissible as an “excited utterance” and shows she recognized it at once for what it was no matter what she said later? Also, can they be questioned about how their statements have constantly changed and why would they lie and change their stories if they didn’t think Casey had something to do with it? All of their actions show that they themselves, believed Casey had done something wrong. Also about the actions THEY TOOK once the car was brought home? If they thought something happened to Caylee and Casey didn’t do it then there would have been valuable evidence in the car and they destroyed it. This, showing that they were really covering up for Casey early on.
There’s also a phone message that Cindy left on a detective’s answering machine in which she states “Casey had help.”???
And I’m also wondering about their relationship with “Dominique Casey?’ Will that come out in trial?
I would think the Anthonys would be a treasure-trove of damning info for Casey.
JMO….but I’m no expert by far…
; )
Good points and yes, they are critical, both good and bad.
B
I want to share with you all something that’s been on my mind for some time now. Its probably not of any importance, however, it continues to reappear in my thoughts. I recall seeing a video of a conversation between Lee and Casey early on in the investigation. They apppeared to be talking in code or in their own private language. It was odd. Lee was asking Casey where she thought he should look for Caley.Her immediate response was that she didn’t know. Then almost in the same breath she told him he knew and that he should look for Caley where they used to play as kids.My first thought was the woods where Caley was eventually found.Maybe I am reading more into this conversation than there actually is but I just wanted to share this with someone who is as interested in this case as I am. Thanks, for reading.
The US Supreme Court ruled –unanimously– that the NY SoS law–upon which the Florida law is based– was unconstitutional. (Wasn’t challenged by the “Son of Sam” himself, who actually shared profits with victims, but was challenged by a publishing house with respect to the book that eventually became the basis for the movie, “Goodfellas”).
Yes, the laws vary a bit from state to state, but, in general, these laws are similarly flawed, and violate the 1st Amendment. Why? Because the state cannot restrict “speech” solely based on CONTENT (to make it simple). (btw– this is why we have the freedom to express ourselves HERE–the 1st Amendment is KEY to a free society, folks).
See Simon & Schuster v. New York Crime Victims’ Board. Then, in 2002, in Keenan v. Superior Court , the California Supreme Court struck down California’s revised version of its own “Son of Sam” law, troubled by the law’s encompassing even larger works that devoted significant space to the crime at issue.
First Amendment doctrine emphasizes the need to protect against the harm of “chilling” speech.
Many readers may believe society would be better off without such books,etc, in any case, but under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, it’s not the government’s — or the public’s — place to make such a judgment; the government’s role is to let speech thrive and let the marketplace decide.(Before you shoot the messenger, please remember that you are HERE, posting your constitutionally protected opinions, ON THE CASE, and Cindy cannot stop you, because you have 1st Amendment rights).
BTW–The State of Florida sought to impose a SoS lien against a convicted multiple murderer’s property, including the proceeds from the sale of a book containing accounts of the crimes for which he was convicted. The convict and his former fiancee challenged it, and the court permitted the lien, but not under SofS statute. Rather, the court hung its hat on a different law (which the State had also proceeded under)– a general forfeiture statute, known as the 1994 Civil Restitution Lien and Crime Victims’ Remedy Act, which provides a way for the state and crime victims to recover damages via a lien on the criminal’s “real and personal property”, which was held to conceivably include proceeds from any work, including literary or artistic expression. See Rolling v. State ex rel. Butterworth, 741 So. 2d 627 (FL 1st DCA, 1999).
To date, the courts have not ruled on the constitutionality of Florida’s Son of Sam statute. Were it to be challenged and make it to the US Supreme Court, it could be a problem for the State here. This would not be the time for FDLE to test it, IMO. Much as I like the idea of Cindy Anthony squirming over this.
In any event,–and I believe a few astute readers pointed this out, the depiction (images/story/etc) must be of THE CRIME FOR WHICH THE DEFENDANT WAS CONVICTED. See Shaw v. State, 616 So.2d 1094 (FL 4th DCA, 1993).
Please remember: this is an ENTIRELY SEPARATE SET OF CHARGES/CASE/TRIAL.
I know there is a LOT of wishful thinking here, because the way this family is profiting and funding the defense is maddening, but this case is truly an anomaly. Usually, the family is in the “victim” category.
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About the 5th Amendment:
If Cindy and George are called to testify, they HAVE TO TESTIFY, but they may refuse to answer particular questions IF the RESPONSES would tend to incriminate them. They cannot take the 5th on questions where their responses would NOT tend to incriminate them.
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Witness Lists in the fraud charges case.
Have we seen these?
The State will necessarily elicit testimony from Amy H., the cashiers/store reps, bank teller/Bank of America rep, –possibly the AT&T rep– investigating officers/detectives. Amy can verify that she did not utter those checks/that is not her signature. Then, of course, we have Casey–through Baez–making the restitution payment.
The probative evidence on the charges against Casey is Amy’s testimony; the canceled checks with Casey’s handwriting on them; the videotape of her in the bank/Target, etc.
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Finally-
There is a distinction (in the Rules of Evidence) between “prior bad acts” (going to character evidence) and prior convictions. I just wish to clarify that, because they are distinct and not interchangeable (as may be implied unintentionally in this piece).
I think this is where people were confused a while back when I posted generally about the admissibility of prior convictions.
Again, as I tried to emphasize in my lengthy post on hearsay evidence, it depends for WHAT PURPOSE the evidence is being offered.
Just generally (because this is running long, and I have very limited time): evidence of “other crimes, wrong or acts” are NOT admissible TO PROVE THE CHARACTER of a person IN ORDER TO SHOW ACTION IN CONFORMITY THEREWITH. HOWEVER, evidence of “other crimes, wrongs or acts” MAY be admitted for OTHER PURPOSES, such as proof of MOTIVE, OPPORTUNITY, INTENT, PREPARATION, PLAN, KNOWLEDGE, IDENTITY, OR ABSENCE OF MISTAKE OR ACCIDENT.
This is not to be confused with a different rule of evidence which permits IMPEACHMENT (of a witness) BY EVIDENCE OF (that witness’) CONVICTION OF A CRIME WHICH INVOLVED DISHONESTY OR FALSE STATEMENT.
Also not to be confused with the consideration of a prior felony conviction at the time of sentencing.
I seriously do not have time to explain this via example or to answer questions, but I hope that this clears it up a bit.
See- she answers the batphone when she can. Brilliant and thorough ‘splanation. I researched the Rolling verdict extensively and I agree with your asessment (not that I have to, I dont think anyone is not taking your posts as gospel) .
I also agree heartily that the SOS laws, in general, are, in their “shelf life” unenforcable. I would also like to point out that there is a significant wrongful death angle here that could chokehold this entire process- who still thinks establishing paternity is not paramount?
That said, it should be noted that the OPTION to file said lien is available under “either”. This does not warrant whether or not it will succeed. However, it is and should be pause for the defense and the Anthony’s because one cannot predict the ruling absolutely, I stip litigous society and all that.
Throwing this out there- The cases ARE linked, same witnesses, same indications of refusal to testify on behalf of the A’s. In the foreshadow of the murder case, if there is an allegation made that they are complicit in the death of their granddaughter, under what scenario do you see them not permitted to take the 5th?
Additionally, for the sake of this discussion, what if God forbid, while Casey is stealing the cash she did ( ok, let’s stick to the charges, fair) and all the while blessed Caylee is in the trunk, hypothetically, as an example, how does that change things?
In terms of Prior bad acts, ABSOLUTELY motive comes into play, how could it not? Remember, Baez is hurdling down the path encompassing all charges, and was not expecting this. So much so, that Lyon argues and she is not even on the docket for this case. Same with Macaluso. While you may be 100% correct, it still does not change the emergent emergency huddle that has to be going on right now.
What next?
love to 929-
B
ps. You know- I get that you can respond when your able, and whatever your working on, I so know your will kick gluteus.
#162 Casey Anthony did not imo just all of a sudden one day decide to become a pathological liar, manipulator and all the other terms that certainly can be used to label her “problem” whether that be a psychiatric or psychological one as has been discussed here before. George and Cindy, especially Cindy imo have been enablers for a long time. I think Cindy sees herself in Casey and although first traumatized by the fact that Caylee was missing, that once she figured out in her feeble mind that Caylee was gone…she wanted to at least keep her daughter out of prison and her (Cindy’s) reputation on the up and up. I do not really think she has any love lost for George..although they have of late appeared more together as a couple, but probably just for show. George, imo, although he has proved himself to be a liar, is kind of pitiful…I think he is weak and has been controlled by these two women for years. It is very hard to cut yourself off from these type of people whether your the husband, father…whatever. You love them…but finally you have to get away, it’s too much..and when you try to get away…they want to destroy you. This type of person also moves on to other people to prey on if they start getting told no very often. Such as Casey did when she stole from Amy, her grandmother, etc. I am in no way defending GA, he sickens me with his sporadic displays of “I the Man!”. I think he is probably scared of Cindy and I expect that through the years Cindy has dared him to over ride her on decisions about Casey, like punishment, etc. IMO within the next decade regardless of the outcome of this trial, Cindy and George will not be together.
Good work Blink someone put a hot coal under your ass thats for sure ,please be careful go stay safe.
Lol, I did not know whether I should laugh or be offended. As your a longtime poster, I giggled, ty.
B
Hey all….
I was the one who typed up the list of missing people on the WFTV site. Although I initially started that list as somewhat of a “joke”, if you really wanna belive anything that Casey (or the Anthoy’s) have to say…then a truck load of people had to go missing as of July 16, 2008.
I mean the more I really think about it, in order for someone else to have killed and discarded Caylee’s lifeless body in the woods…a whole slew of people had to – first exist…then, according to Casey… vanish into thin air.
Of course a lot of these lies are tried to be wiped away by Casey saying she had a “script”…but I do find it very very very difficult to believe (from Cindy’s point of view) that “Zani” did exist for, at least, two years before poor Caylee vanished.
It’s like Pod People came to earth and took people from Florida for their procreation. I guess they were tired of taking and mutilating cows.
I just find it very sad that Casey’s lies are not even good lies. I don’t know which insults us more. The lies – or the fact that they aren’t even good lies.
Thanks and welcome Kam-
Please note a few astute posters added to your well orchestrated list.
The 2 dudes that alegedly pushed Casey’s car into the Amscot come to mind
B
Hi wpgmouse. I completely agree with everything you posted! IMO the searches for escort services in different states was also Casey trying to figure out where she was going to go and what she was going to do.
I do think if Cindy had given her another day she would have gone to California. I really hope LE has a plane ticket…that would be great…wouldn’t surprise me at all.
In Lee’s original police interview he stated that Casey came into his room and he told her “I don’t get it. What’s in this for you, keeping us from Caylee?” then he reminded her “What do you think is going to happen when the police get here? They are going to MAKE you take us to Caylee so you might as well just take us now.” He told the police at that time she had an “like a light bulb went off in her head and she suddenly put her head down and starting crying. Then Cindy came into Lee’s room…saw Casey crying and according to lee said “Oh my God! What have YOU DONE?” Casey does seem to push everything to the limit and maybe even thought she might not have to leave after all. IMO Leigh’s statement to her was a giant wake up call…
# 160 hmmm
If my memory serve’s me right one f the target purchases was for sudafed ! so you may have touched on something there. But will we ever know we can do a lot of speculating but will never know the true facts because casey will never acknowledge! to do so would only incriminate her. and she is not about to disclose any facts of how she did it.
140…..GOOD OOOOOONNNNE LOVE IT .Like to see that list in a court room.
todd in tulsa
I think she was pissed that her mother would doubt her I have often thought of that comment as being strange like duh you mean you dont believe me are you kidding your supposed to believe everything I say!
also another jail house phone call she made home she said to her friend! after her friend said I DONT KNOW WHAT I WILL DO IF ANYTHING HAPPENDS TO CAYLEE!!
again casey became irate and called them a huge waste!! she didnt want to be doubted or questioned that was her way of not answering.truthfully or even caring about caylee.
Chica,
18. Jennifer Rosa, friend/room-mate of Zanny
19. Annabele, watched Caylee at the Hard Rock where Universal sent Casey for “work” assignment
152 martha
thank you I thought it was funny !
I agree with you about baez not running with his tail between his his toes! I think he knows he is fighting a loosing battle! he so desperately wants to win this case so that he will be known as the great baez of hispanic descent! the truth is he isnt going to win and he is only making a fool of himself everytime he opens his mouth. he is hungry for fame. I am alot like you I mostly lurk and read and add something once in a while. I admire most of the posters here some I think just babble to be heard and others are very knowledgeable. I sit back read and learn from most.
nice to meet you
chica
no pun intended posters! most are awesome …..
20. Thomas Franck, Casey’s “supervisor” at Universal.
21. Gloria, Zanny’s mother
#172 the “two dudes” that pushed KC’s car…
KC could have gotten help from 2 dudes. All she had to do was saunter up/down the road. It is quite simple to use a CAR to push another CAR it requires no physical exertion on the part of bug eyed boys willing to anything to healp a “pretty” ?hot? girl. They probably wouldn’t even notice the smell.
ALL KC had to do was steer to guide the car!
UNLESS- the “dudes” are LA and “friend” or George? that assisted her car into the parking spot next to the dumpster….
Is this how George knew there was no gas in that car?
Why argue with the “tow guy” over the bill and pay $400+ to retrieve a death car?
Is this why 911 was called?
Because for the first time in 31 days someone other than the A’s knew what decompisition smelled like, had smelled the car and commented on it? AFTER George opened mouth and inserted foot about his daughtter/ granddaughter missing? DOH!
Did George go to the police because he knew he was now an accessory?
“George we know you know a lot of things about a lot of things???”
per LE
and
“Lee knows what he has done?” per LE
There has to be video/computer forensic proof for a statements like this to be made. yes?
Do we know yet?… did the Amscot have any video?
Even if the Amscot didn’t isn’t there a gas station across the road?
Almost all gas stations have security cameras installed to get the tag numbers of drive offs…
I’m sure they are aimed at the road.
If an Anthony vehicle was used, the whole thing could have been recorded.
Not my opinion, I am just pondering.
#177
ETA- Not that KC can be believed, but didn’t she tell AH
her dad had “taken care of the smell in the car”
and he was going to “buy her a new one”?
grain of truth?
mmm-whatcha say?
Re: 122
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say, your reference to RUDY wouldn’t be the movie would it? excellent film if so. The hardworking underdog rudy, the fighting irish? What a character not exactly a kidwiz but a hero to his school!
oop’s I may have made a mistake in my post at 183…
I think it is called hair developer. However I will get the
correct answer in the moring.
Hydrogen peroxide (also known as the developer or oxidizing agent) — This ingredient, in varying forms and strengths, helps initiate the color-forming process and creates longer-lasting color. The larger the volume of the developer, the greater the amount of sulfur is removed from the hair. Loss of sulfur causes hair to harden and lose weight. This is why, for the majority of hair coloring, the developer is maintained at 30% volume or less.
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and this is what I use to clean pet stains. Sorry it took me three
times to post this.
True West, I agree with that, but I feel the stronger issue is the dent in the murder case by securing George and Cindy’s testimony.
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Have been away from this case for some months now-so perhaps am unfamiliar with the finer points of the defence motions. Got to just say that I think the most improtant thing that has occurred recently is the State securing a transcript of George’s testimony in front of the Grand Jury. I personally feel that George will prove a most “hostile” witness on the stand-and especially around the area of testimony relating to the car. Certainly George will try and deny the testimony he gave previously, detailing the “death smell” he smelt in the trunk of the car, ect., . George will either advice that he doesnt recall or he cant remember, or he was probably mistaken and that the odour was from the garbage bag he removed from the trunk. He will present as truculent,argumentative, obnoxious and out right rude on the witness stand-He has consistently revealed his total disrespect for proceedings-he visibly bristles on the stand. he will either attack the prosecution-verbally lambast them and their charges-or he will embrace the role of “the victim” here. He will weep and accusse the state & police of harrassing him & his family. This transcript has the potential to make a liar of George Anthony on the stand-when he refuses to acknowledge what he previously has provided as sworn statement to the police-this document will reveal what he said under oath to the grand jury.
I dont know if anyone else finds the motions for dismissal as rather desperate & bizarre. They come off like death penalty appeals, filed one after the other at the final hour. It is curious behaviour from the defence before the discovery stage is even complete. Whilst I fully appreciate that Baez has to take everything & run with it in his attempts to provide a defence for his client-but some of these motions just seem so opportunistic, so frivilous, they do not appear to hold any degree of credibility.
On a final note i just cant help but wonder if somehow Baez will manage to prove successful with one of these rather extraordinary claims filed in a motion to dismiss. He comes across as a chancer-and there is just something about the way he goes about things-like a clumsy, undignified bumbling fool that sometimes you just got to wonder if in fact he is being very clever-or just acting the fool????
Linda (#173)
Just in case the post numbers change while I’m typing this,
I’ve snipped from your comments:
“…In Lee’s original police interview he stated that Casey came into his room and he told her “I don’t get it. What’s in this for you, keeping us from Caylee?” then he reminded her “What do you think is going to happen when the police get here? They are going to MAKE you take us to Caylee so you might as well just take us now.” He told the police at that time she had an “like a light bulb went off in her head and she suddenly put her head down and starting crying…”
Maybe she broke down crying because she realized she was going to miss her flight. Her plan to go to California just got screwed up. If she did have a plane ticket, I believe it would have been for later that night, after Tony and the others had gone out, or were asleep. One would think she’d want to get of town before Amy discovered the missing
bank funds.
KC could have gotten help from 2 dudes. All she had to do was saunter up/down the road. It is quite simple to use a CAR to push another CAR it requires no physical exertion on the part of bug eyed boys willing to anything to healp a “pretty” ?hot? girl. They probably wouldn’t even notice the smell.
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I just have to comment on this-The answer to the car is offered up by Casey Anthony herself. In the 1 of the first taped interviews Anthony gives to the police (could have been the 1 conducted at Universal)Anthony strongly rejects the police’s suggestion that she abandoned the car-instead She insists the car had run out of gas.
This is interesting because there is a significant difference in motive here-as to whether Anthony choose to rid herslf of the car or whether the car gave up on her.
I believe Anthony had every intention of relieving herslef of the car-for 1 of 2 reasons. Firstly Anthony was aware that Cindy & George were trying to track her & Caylee down-She had been telling them tall tales about trips out of town-She had in fact unexpectedly run into George at the home-I think the primary reason Casey off loaded the car was her parents-She didnt want them tracing her whereabouts via the car-I think Cindy may have at one point indicated to her that all she had to do was call the police and report the vehicle as stolen and the police would track Casey down. Secondly-comes the traces of minute evidence that may have been recoverable-Anthony did not want to run the risk of being the “only” person who had access to the car during the 31 days-She needed to create a scenario where someone other than her-could have driven the car. In fact my firm belief is that Anthony staged the car at the Amscot parking lot to look as if the occupants had met with foul play. I think Anthony endeavoured to make it look/seem as if both she & Caylee had been the victims of an abduction. Anthony had simply wanted to create her own & Caylee’s “disappearance” This way She would be perceived as a missing person, a victim rather than a criminal-Remember Anthony was telling her mother that She & Caylee were out of town-I think she felt that any investigation into their disappearance would be centered in jacksonville, and police would be searching for a man named Jeff with a son named Zachary. She had given her mother enough false information to send the police off on a wild goose chase.
Finally-Anthony ditched the car-because like everything else in her life-When it no longer served any purpose-she got rid of it. Anthony saw an opportunity to manipulate Tony Lizarro-He was going out of town as prearranged & clearly Anthony didnt feel secure in the relationship-fearing that the distance would prove the end of the relationship-Anthony made a big show of her car having broken down yet again-sending out an SOS to him to come & rescue her from the Amscot, Tony Lizarro could but only offer her the use of his vehicle while he was away. If you bear in mind that only a week or two previous-Lizarro’s jeep had been off the road in the shop being repaired & Anthony had been chauffering him around. There was no way that Lizarro could NOT give her the jeep while he was away. Anthony wanted possession of the vehicle whilst Lizarro was away because it represented as a definite link between the two of them-Should Lizarro have had a change of heart whilst home in New Jersey and decided to end his relationship with her-the fact that she had possession of his jeep meant that he at the very least had to get in contact with her when he came back down to Orlando. If she didnt have his jeep-it would have been so much easier for him to just phone her & tell her he didnt want to see her anymore. Anthony was so very insecure in her relatioship with Lizarro-that she was desperate to hold onto something of his – to maintain the connection between the two of them. This to my mind was 1 of the main reasons for offloading the car. This & the fact that the car was still registered to her parents. I think, but am uncertain if it is fact-but I think once she dumped the car, She did not journey back to the Anthony home again-until her mother came and got her from Tony’s appt on July 15th.
She was adamant with the police that interviewed her-that SHE DID NOT ABANDON the car-which strongly suggests to my mind that She in fact did. Her reasons for ditching the car could be for the reasons I stated above-but they could also be for some other equally illogical Casey Anthony reason.
Blink, sorry to say but your theory of using a conviction for bad checks as an example of prior bad acts is not correct. While it is true that ANY conviction can be used to impeach a defendants character if he testifies, to introduce it outside of defendant testimony or as an aggravating factor for the DP, is not allowed. It has to be in keeping or of the same general elements of the crime which the person is presently charged with. The reasoning is for this exact kind of case; you simply cannot infer that the same person who is capable of forgery is capable of murder. Now if she were on trial for another economic crime then it would be relevant to introduce. It could also be used for sentencing guidelines if the potential sentence were other than the DP.
George and Cindy, especially Cindy imo have been enablers for a long time.
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We of course all know this of old. And 1 of the bigest lies to come out was courtsey of Cindy Anthony;
Cindy is the one who went on TV detailing the reason Casey had the occassion to borrow the shovel from her neighbour-the reason being to beat down the bamboo shoots of course.
Now I personally never met Casey Anthony-but I feel it is safe to say that there is no way that Casey even noticed the bamboo in the back garden-let alone the bamboo shoots-This girl had zero interest in anything but herself-but Cindy Anthony is a keen gardener and she had spent alot of time in the back garden in the weeks preceeding Caylee’s death-as She & George were undertaking lanscape work. Certainly we can all visualise Cindy yeilding a hammer-then it is not too difficult to picture her with the shovel. Thus I conclude that it was Cindy who was the authour of this particular alibi.
Am going to say goodnight people
Sorry if i have jumped on in in your discussion-just couldnt resist! Forgive me if it is poor blog etiquette, just got caught up in the comments posted here!
Thank you & good night.
Of course a lot of these lies are tried to be wiped away by Casey saying she had a “script”…but I do find it very very very difficult to believe (from Cindy’s point of view) that “Zani” did exist for, at least, two years before poor Caylee vanished
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This is more of Cindy’s lies. She KNEW full well Casey was at home during the week supposed to be taking care of Caylee-in fact I think Cindy probably was paying Casey an allowance to stay home & care for Caylee Mon-Friday. Cindy Anthony believed Casey some times received casual promotional work (such as work her brother Lee put her way) which required her to work-eve’s/weekends ect., But Cindy & George both knew full well that there was no Nanny that Caylee went to during the week. They knew that Casey was at home with Caylee-usually awaiting her mother’s return from work-to make her escape from the home!
Silver, thanks for that enlightening post, you really helped me understand this better and I am much obliged.
I know for myself (can’t speak for others) that the thought of Grandparents of a murder baby could use her death to profit for themselves makes me sick to my stomach, if they profited to support missing children and change laws and would stand up for their precious grandbaby I would not be so outraged, even a little honesty from them would settle my stomach. If they have the constitutional right to do so, so be it, I am a firm believer in the rights of “ALL” American’s including Casey Anthony’s.
I just think so many are outraged by the obvious lies and cover up done by the family that it sickens most honest law abiding folks, and their rage and hate takes over their ability to take a step back and remember we are still in America, I know I have to check myself on a daily basis, all we can really do is not support the venues in which the Anthony’s are profiting from, maybe that will halt the Gravy Train, but most likely not. We are all in some way or another “Causality Vampires”
ada…thanks, I have listened to this interview before (months back) but never read it. I think I got the pavers figured out…duh uh hopefully.
But, what I didn’t catch when I listened to it months back was the first few answers out of DC mouth in regards to why he was going to stop at the woods before the Meet & Great, he states he had just heard about Kiomarie’s statement about a hang-out spot when they were younger (he just heard that? didn’t she make that statements months before? this was mid NOV he was in those woods) and that he thinks he should go on down and check it out. Then by some crazy coincidence “Ginni” calls with the “vision of some sort”. WOW that is a holy miracle what are the chances he is heading down there because of a tip from a high school friend given months back and at the same exact time Ginni calls….that is the freakiest thing I have ever heard…..gives me the Willy’s………j/k that is one of the stupidest things I have ever read, I would have loved to seen the looks on the investigators faces when he told that Whopper!
I really need to listen, read and take notes at the same time so I quit missing these incredible fairy tales.
Sorry I am off topic Ms. Blink, I just was taken back, gosh there are so many ridicules stories in this case, can you start a series on the lies and tall tales of all these Key Players, I think it would be so interesting to have all these crazy tales bunched together in one big bundle to compare and discuss, kind of like the posting about the vanishing people, that was quite entertaining, takes your mind of the horror.
#192 &193 ammchale-
Thank you for your post! very nice. = ]
I can’t wait to see how many things were indeed “authored”/”scripted” by Cindy
#172 Kameron
Hey Kam, How about starting a new list. I will get you started. Things Casey said/did that are TRUE. Could be a short list.
1. “She’s close to Home, Hope, Holt. Whatever
2. “I never left the Orlando area.
OK, I need help here…….
RE #190 Good morning everyone…morning ammchale.
Do you think that the car smelled at the point? I agree she had multiple reasons for dumping the car and I wonder if the smell was also one of them.I always thought that she was hoping the car would be stolen and then she could say:
“Zeneida” or “whoever” stole the car with CAYLEE IN IT and Casey doesn’t know what they did with Caylee and she’s been afraid to come forward…etc…etc…
She left it in a public place in plain view. She left her purse in there as well…IMO she was setting some poor unsuspecting car thief to take the fall for Caylee’s abduction and murder…but no one stole the car. Maybe because of the smell?
I’m sure the prosecution has a theory on this and can’t wait to see what their ideas on the car are…but like you…I think he has several reasons for ridding herself of it.
#172 Kamerson
Don’t forget Zanny’s dog(s)