Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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BREAKING NEWS
Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
Haven’t read Blink’s article yet, but I can sure see the picture. At least we can have the relief that Caylee wasn’t snap shotted in the trunk.
I must be missing something. Why is this relevant? Even if this is the shirt Caylee was wearing when she was killed, she could have taken that picture at any time. It does not mean it was taken the same day. Someone in the family took the picture and it was lying around the house and taken as evidence. So what? It is a gigantic leap to infer it had to be taken the same day as she was killed. So please someone tell me what it is I am missing.
Nancy-
this photo was sold and published in the Globe in October 2008. The state has it’s original file, meaning it was “named” in October 2008, but obviously taken much, much earlier, prior to her going missing. This photo was not lying around taken as evidence, my bet would be the original file was subopoened from the Globe after Caylee was found. That photo was sold and chosen for a reason to be on the cover, make no mistake. Whoever sold that photo knew what she would be found in, if in fact, she ever was.
B
What. The. H.
Xactly, well said.
Kudos to Justice 23 again
B
Does anyone have any ideas as to who might be the photographer for this pic? Whoever that was, I’m sure, knows WAAAAAY more than they are saying! JMO
I don’t know how to post links so I copied this news from WFTV. It doesn’t have anything to do with the photo in this article, but info. on the check fraud case and at bottom of article how Dominic Casey is trying to get out of his depo in November! Here it is: ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — A judge refused to throw out the defamation lawsuit against Casey Anthony, filed by Zenaida Gonzalez. Judge Rodriguez, Monday, (read order) denied her defense team’s motion to get Casey’s civil case dismissed.
READ: Judge’s Order Denying Motion
Gonzales shares the name as the mystery nanny that Casey says disappeared with her daughter Caylee. Casey’s civil attorney had argued that it was not fair for Casey to have to defend herself in the civil case, before going to trial for murder.
But the judge disagreed, ruling that since Zenaida’s lawyers backed off of demanding Casey answer very specific questions about the nanny, it would not hurt her defense in the murder trial.
The case against Casey will go back to court in December. A pre-trial hearing is scheduled in her check fraud case for December 18, with the trial set for January 25. Her defense team has asked that the trial be moved out of Orange County, but a judge has yet to rule on that.
In a hearing last week, (images) | (video) the defense won the right to have the photographs of Caylee’s remains copied on CDs, which they will send to their experts.
Casey Anthony is in jail facing murder charges in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony.
ANTHONYS ‘ P.I. TRYING TO GET OUT OF DEPOSITION The Anthony family’s private investigator is trying to get out of his November 12 deposition under oath with prosecutors in Casey’s murder trial.
Private eye Dominic Casey, who was at the scene where Caylee’s remains were found, claims that since he worked for Casey’s defense team at one time, he can’t be forced to answer questions.
Part of the private investigator’s interview with law enforcement is still under seal, but part of it has been made public.
Well, I see at least I wasn’t wrong about the uncropped version of that photo being the source of contention during Cindy’s depo.
Maybe the Globe inserted the alien face to further another headline? (I jest.)
Blink,
Please define the “editores note.” I have such a headache. Sorry. But I didn’t understand the note.
AND GOOD JOB TO JUSTICE 23 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Justice, Blink
NICE WORK! How the hell did you come up with that?
Okay, to play devil’s advocate here:
1. Would Casey really want to sell a photo with a shirt that ended up being discovered with the remains? Sounds counter-productive. (But she has done so many incredible things believing she will never be caught). Otherwise, maybe they sold a bunch wholesale and of course, since George mentioned different clothing on “the last day”, perhaps they didn’t think it would be linked?
2. Lee Anthony, perhaps preemptively, mentions that the media was getting photos and posting them & that is why they deleted them.
Wow, if the defense, Casey or any of the Anthonys sold this photo, how sickly ironic?? Also, talk about selling to the lowest of bottom feeders; The globe!
Marinade Dave’s site is interesting but Blink…..you’re the BEST! Some very smart contributors here at Blink too. Justice23 thank you for clearing that up for me (what that full pic was). I was reading at Dave’s site and there was so much speculation it made my head hurt.
His site has contributors there that is not so ANTI-Anthony so it’s nice to go there and read and see how oblivious some people can be. Actually since Blink’s site is so into the FACTS of the evidence, I go there to so I can read some comical comments.
Dave was so honored to be called out by Judge Strickland, but it may cause him alot of grief too. He stands up for the Anthony’s and you see what has happened to most everyone that has been associated with that bunch.
Sorry for the long comment….
Thanks Blink for a great site!
Cover photo link from “Mark Pasetsky’s, COVER AWARDS The Media Industry’s Guilty Pleasure” site
http://coverawards.com/2008/10/08/news_globe_magazine_caylee_mom_47182/
justice23
kudos, to you
Wow, Blink … I was sitting there wondering why no one was posting back to me about the recent find but as I went to log off the page, I went to the main one and noticed the new article, LOL. About nearly fell off my chair {:)
Well, so much for homework and studying for my upcoming test today … this alone will have me probably blogging at least part of the day, if not most of it. Can’t believe something as innocent as E-Bay lead to this, LOL. Thanks for the credit though … it was nice of you to mention me. But what means the most to me is the assurance that now I’m pretty darn sure the State has what it needs to really nail the coffin shut on this case. I was wondering how the Globe got the photo too. Wondering seriously if the name begins with “A”. Have never been able to get rid of that gut feeling that something has always been seriously amiss there in regard to her. Oh, my heart aches and sings today at the same time. That photo breaks my heart … but at the same time, it also gives me hope that maybe Caylee will finally get true justice after all this is said and done after all! God Bless You Blink … and all you other Blinkers out there. Thank you for helping me to stay sane in a very insane and heartbreaking case such as this.
#2_BLINK
“This photo was not lying around taken as evidence, my bet would be the original file was subopoened from the Globe after Caylee was found. That photo was sold and chosen for a reason to be on the cover, make no mistake. Whoever sold that photo knew what she would be found in, if in fact, she ever was.
B”
Blink, are you of the opinion that someone close to ,or one of theAnthonys actually want to see Casey ‘go down”? Sounds like it in this post.
No, I think Casey sold it knowing she would be found, if she were found, in it, no doubt her “agent” negotiating the price passed that on to the proper folks for the best price.
B
#4 Granmomma
I don’t know why, but my gut feeling has always been Annie D knows more than she has admitted. She is also the only one that has ever had any major emotional reaction to being interviewed by LE regarding Caylee’s disappearance and death. She was Casey’s best friend for quite awhile and around the time a lot of Casey’s alleged “changed” behavior was being carried out. I also believe IIRC that parts of her interviews have still not been released, which makes me wonder why, but I could be wrong on that. Is it possible Annie took the photo innocently, then possibly realized later that was the same shirt Caylee had on the day she eventually went missing, hence her emotional reactions to LE’s questioning later? I don’t know … just something about her has always bugged me. Even Yuri Melich questioned during one of her interviews her demeanor … as if something was going on with Annie but she wasn’t revealing it during their interview. She has never appeared as forthcoming as the rest of Casey’s old friends … there’s almost a guarded hesitation there when she speaks. Lastly, I believe there were several parts of Annie’s interviews that were “off the record” as noted in many of the transcripts, so what did she tell police off the record? Just too many hinky moments for me to think they’re all just coincidence but that’s just my opinion.
Gee. Do you suppose Casey is wishing she had used different resources other than her “own”?
wow Blink, Thanks!! And I am so LATE in ‘getting it’– my first thoughts are never that ‘they knew what they were selling as in, setting up the story to show Caylee in the shirt would be found in. So who sold that photo or who made the choice of which ones Lawyer Baez or Cindy Anthony, should have the rights to sell on behalf of Casey??
Great work, Blinkers, on the discovery of the ‘car’ in that photo though.
And the baby being ‘held’ explains the shape seemingly under the shirt– the letters themselves could cause a bit of that firmness and that, and the adult’s arm, would just cause the shirt to fold the way it has/
(I couldn’t figure the ‘trunk’ thing– couldn’t see how the view would work etc)
I have to lol.
I understand the point that photo was sold etc,but do you know who had this photo or who sold it?
Let’s take the my space page docs had in it.
That lady is a pal of Rg’s which is where photo {cropped } was found.
It was linked to Yuri in a email which is why her page appears in docs.
She certainly did not get that photo from Casey’s my space or photo bucket account,as it was no where on the net.
Ask her where she found it!
I am not clear on what your saying. Can you be more specific with links please. Regardless of where a cropped photo exists, you can clearly see it is NOT cropped on the Globe, and this pic was sold and appeared prior to Caylee remains being found.
B
Blink
If you feel this link to be inappropriate use, please feel free to not post,
http://www.globemagazine.com/story/245
Blink - #13:
You actually think Casey sold this pic for money - and she sold that damning piece of evidence just for money? Really?
Definately, remember the in camera hearing on her finances? That is what Baez objected to as sealed during Cindy depo.
This photo was sold PRIOR to her recovery. Why this photo on the front? There are hundreds.
B
Hi Every
I have a question can someone please
Is it possible that her agent could have been her attorney Mr Jose Baez?
And if this is so will this person’s identity be made public. It’s dispicable the manner in which these individuals can dirty and taint the memory of this little girl.
back to my loft
It definately was, or he is at least aware.
B
Justice23…..I think we may be thinking alike on alot of things. Annie was my first thought. Didn’t she tell Lee in one of the jailhouse visits that Annie could not be trusted? Is that right? And, why would she say that if Annie actually spent time with Crazy and her family while Crazy was out on bond? Sounds to me like Annie was the only one Crazy trusted.
YOU SO SMART!
What is the sentence for obstuction of justice? and if Baez has this photo and has not shown the prosecution this can he get into “BIG TROUBE”?
Great observation about the appropo price for that particular photo. WHY should that photo be any more pricey than any other, showing the baby and Casey??? Because someone knew the implications and how that photo would be more than ‘one off’ publication– the purchaser of rights, would have the story attached to that photo and maybe repeat rights.
AND to note– remember the same thing when Cindy provided the video of Casey playing with Caylee in those stripped shorts, so well doc’d in the discovery as we’ve seen so far.
(And George seemed to say striped shorts, way back when, but didn’t he say she didn’t often wear striped shorts, or have striped shorts typically???? That would go to this being a rare design for Caylee– oh yeah, Cindy said that Caylee did not typically wear writing on her shirts– she herself, would never buy them for Caylee, and didn’t know who purchased anything like that for Caylee.)
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Off thread, Blink– BUT I am reallly confused at Judge Rodriguez’s motion to dismiss the civil case– not the order itself, but the handwriting notations that CC to Ms. Tennis. WHY on earth??? Ms. Tennis represents a ‘witness’, not the plaintiff, not the defendant.
WHY does a ‘Witness lawyer’ get noticed? Because the witness had a contract at one point, but hadn’t spoken to that client for a year, mean that lawyer becomes part of the ‘joint defense’??
#13_Blink
I don’t know if I could go with that theory. EVERY effort was made to describe the clothing that they were last seen in, by George, and it wasn’t THAT shirt. Did someone ‘toss’ this in with Caylee’s remains? Or was George lying? Also, why would anyone on the defense tip their hat and elude to this being what she will be found in, after all of the efforts of George?
Like someone else mentioned, maybe it was a friend of Casey’s?
Not talking.
B
Anyway, can you contact the globe and get a statement?
Thank you Justice 23, I had been about half sick since convincing myself that was a photo of the baby in the car trunk. It is a real relief.
Won’t the Globe have to admit who they got the picture from? Do you all think it means that the Globe bought the pic because it was Caylee in that shirt? Much more information to come out about this I think.
#12 :o) Not on your life would something like this not be recognized or acclaimed! You get the BOC award of the year! You will be sending that right to her, right, B?
Good job, Justice!
“Not talking.”
B
Exasperating! lol
Blink -
#18…**THUD***
Oh. My. Gosh.
So - if that is the case…then Baez DOES know that Casey is guilty and she is the murderer…right?
**THUD**
You think he is ever going to admit that? You think she will? It was sealed , I will make the assumption he is of the opinion he is home free. Casey did not break any laws to sell this photo, but it is awfully compelling of “knowledge”.
B
Hi Blink
Yuri was sent a link to the photo a few days after the docs came out that said what was on shirt {letters}
That myspace page of Jaden’s Grandma was where photo was found.
So link to myspace page was sent to Yuri!
That photo was no where on internet,which is why it stuck out to me and I remembered location of it.
Now somewhere on Websleuths someone said that was a photo that was Rg’s and he said not to use his photos {something along those lines}
So ask the lady that has the myspace where she got photo because I know it was not anywhere else online until I linked it via topix.
I appreciate the explanation but without links to what you are referring I am still in the dark. Are you suggesting Richard Grund sold this photo to the Globe? Or are you saying a cropped version?
B
westsidehudson
LOL … I E-Bay often and happened to check my account this morning. For some reason, I typed in Caylee Anthony just to see what would come up and a bunch of magazines did that people were selling. There was only one with Caylee on the cover in that shirt and it caught my eye so I clicked on it and there it was. I almost hot-nellied in my pants … it was the entire photo and the Globe cover was dated October 20th, 2008 which gave me chills. So I posted it to get everyone’s opinion. The rest I guess is history … thanks to you, Blink.
What I think a few folks may be missing, is that the state HAS the uncropped file, or a renamed file I believe it is:
signonorbella1, from memory. Note the bella, note the tat, not an accident.
B
Noticed a blurred area on the Caylee photo that is online of the colour cropped photo– it is located on the viewer’s right side of her cheek (on Caylee’s left). Wondered about it.
Now look closely at the photo Blink provides in her story– notice??? It’s on the GLOBE link photo provided in Blink’s story also– it’s very clear.
That little ‘bruise’ below Caylee’s left eye can be seen in other photos of Caylee. That would date this photo to the time she had the bruise.
Note– the state’s version had the bruise masked– they may have ‘redacted’ the bruise for purposes of asking the family if they had seen that photo before.
WHO was the original photographer of that photo? (if not taken on an Anthony or Casey camera or phone?)
Who else may have seen that shirt at the time the photo was taken? Only Casey and the family?
Got a date for the photo yet Blink?? (or narrowed it?)
It’s not really that great of a photo. Which leads me to ask why would the Globe choose that one if they had many to choose from? It is because someone directed them to use that specific photo? If yes, who? I am sure someone from the Globe would know that answer.
Kleat (22)
I believe cc to Ms Tennis is because Dominic the PI was refusing to give his statement to Morgan and Morgan and therefore this will effect him.
Let us not forget Casey’s own words.
“They haven’t even found her clothes yet.”
Blink - #28:
No - I will expect that neither of them will EVER admit the entire truth of what they know.
I’ve been thinking, to some degree, though - that Casey never gave the truth to Baez, either.
I figured he was operating along on her lies…and, of course, being her attorney, wouldn’t WANT to know the real truth.
But - if what you say here shakes out to be true - and he was her agent - then he knew that pic was worth more cash than all the rest.
This case gets sicker and more twisted with each passing day…ya know it?
wpgmouse
Thanks .. I am most humbled though to be in the presence of so many amazing, intelligent and intuitive minds here. I simply happened upon a photo, but the conversation and sleuthing abilities of everyone here I believe is truly phenomenal and often knocks me off my feet in awe. Blink, kleat, silver, wpgmouse, all of the fellow Blinkers … you’re all a blessing for justice for little Caylee and I commend you all. My justice for Caylee eventually be served, which is what I want so much I can smell it (sorry for the possible visual, no pun intended).
Way to go Justice and Blink!
Remember the states motion to compel funding sources? The famous “from Pauper to Princess” (love Mr. Ashton)
Did Baez just eff himself in the azz? Did he lie to the court about not selling the story/rights to media or skate around the truth to not include him selling photo’s?
I think the state has caught him out in a big fat lie and that sure explains his strenuous protesting during the depo’s. ZIP IT!!
Here is a link that contains the motions:
http://www.wftv.com/news/19002037/detail.html
I dont think he lied, Casey herself can sell anything right now, as long as she sold it, and if she used funds to pay him in his responsibilities, it is not illegal. The question becomes- WHY THIS PHOTO??
B
Steph
I disagree. IMO it is a GREAT photo, regardless if the Globe knew the true significance of it or not. A picture tells a thousand words, right?
Oh Justice23 - you rock!!!
I’m still lost about this picture ….
So they picked this one on purpose because that is what the body would be found in? Why would they do that?
Sorry I didn’t have my ‘ah-ha’ moment with this yet….can anyone explain for me?
And– “IF” the shorts, as Ms. Blink has artfully proposed in a much earlier article, were placed at the scene subsequent to the body being placed there, then why? Why not just use the ’shorts’ or skirt etc, that the baby would have been wearing when George last saw them? Or, even if George did not see them, Casey would not have put her daughter in the car and driven to ‘work’ or out in public, with her almost 3 year old in diapers, even pull-ups.
The shorts had to be added IF the baby was not fully dressed at the time she was dumped– therefore, was she killed without being completely dressed to ‘go out’ in the day? Therefore– maybe time of day is suggested.
(”They didn’t even find her bag of clothes…”— hmm, did Casey not realize at the time she said that, that maybe these ‘clothes’ would have been found by her little helper elves, and that they were distributed appropriately, and were already ‘out of the bag’ and on scene?)
If ANYONE could add anything to the bag of the baby’s body, it would be Cindy– and I’m not just talking the family here, it would have to take someone who has experience with such things not to be sick– couldn’t hire someone and take that risk of leaving dna (I won’t be graphic and wouldn’t have thought of this except for a Colton story on the news last night– how they knew it was him who stole the Cessna and crashed it mid-state WA).
Cindy said she was ‘a nurse of decomposition’ (well, assume she mean she had experience as a nurse or nurse in training, with decomposition.
Cindy said ‘I have debrided flesh before’– (that means rotting flesh, bad odours)
Cindy said ‘I have smelled pseudomonis’ and she went on and on about how bad that is, nothing worse (FBI SB interview) as you can smell it down the hallway from the patient’s room.
(Cindy was making the point that 1. she was experienced with the odour of rotting flesh and of decomposition— therefore she could make professional judgement that the odour in Casey’s car, was NOT human decomp. But also, 2. she was telling folks, that she has a very tough stomach for such things as demanded by her profession. (she did work as an OR nurse, NO? For an orthopedic surgeon?)
signorina bella is a topix poster not a file name or secret photobucket account of the Anthony’s.That was her own photobucket account she put picture in.
She is just a topix poster and she also sent photo to Yuri.
I also am not suggesting Rg sold anything!
A websleuth poster stated it was a photo he had on his page at one point.
The cropped photo was what was on the myspace page of Jadensgmom not full photo.
You’d have to ask her where she got it at and if she cropped it.
I have no idea.
So signo sent Yuri a cropped photo? Correct?
B
Moonbeams, thanks, but wouldn’t that be the job of Mr. Mitnik, Morgan, Dill, to duly advise the witness they call, of the judge’s order?
Maybe Ms. Tennis was getting a courtesy copy from the judge– so she had NO excuses to pull her dramatic ranting style out in the media. Judge Rodriguez may have been giving her a lesson in professionalism once again.
Here is the topix poster in question
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/TQ6H2EP48T3UJ32LL
First poster.She is just a regular topix poster.
Note: Casey is NOT wearing the same shirt she was wearing in the blockbuster video . . .
“Caylee reaching out” to someone who is in the direction of the camera– or the person with the camera. We have seen that before– Caylee crying or not happy certainly, when the photo of Lee holding her outside, was taken.
Was this photo taken by Cindy on Cindy’s camera? Cindy never mentioned George taking photos of Caylee, she did talk about both she and Casey finding it ‘easy’ to pick up a camera and take photos of Caylee at any time. And, the baby is reaching for someone she is attached to– vs some stranger at a gathering.
I want to know if that photo was taken at an age of Caylee, that would let her fit into that shirt. Or could the shirt also have been planted– but that would be harder, given where it was located, as Blink says, it appears to have been worn by the baby.
I think if Cindy is believed it is 24 mos or 2T and Caylee no longer fit in it “really”.. My guess is this is going to be an attempt to tie back to Jesse somehow. These people
B
Kleat - I don’t get it either. Why bring the shorts to the site later? For what purpose? I’m probably dense - but I just don’t understand the “why” of that action.
So they would have something at the site to confuse the timeline, and to plant evidence, possibly in the hopes someone would see it and look further.
B
ONE more thing– just an off-topic note, but in in recent depos, it’s indicated that George never asked Casey if she killed Caylee, nor did he ask anything too much— comment in the depos that the family all thought the house was bugged.
So– George, my question would be– can electronic bugging devices listen in to communicating by writing? That would be simple– just write to Casey, PLUS, Casey according to Lee, can write in a cryptic fashion, so they could get the info by ‘guessing’ accurately, at what Casey writes and still be able to say they did not ‘hear’ this from Casey, nor did they read the exact words from Casey (as they would be in her cryptic style).
# 29_lol
LINKS?
can somebody please tell me how Jose Baez and the Anthonys get away with selling these photos of the deceased victim in order to pay for the murderer’s defense and for the Anthonys to live the good life? Jose Baez should be in trouble with the Fla.Bar.
So you don’t think the shorts were hauled off by animals?
Was the shirt in the bag with the skull? (Sorry for asking a potentially stupid question).
Her bones were scattered everywhere. It would make sense to me that an animal could have gotten a hold of the shorts in it’s quest for what was underneath. (I’m sorry - that is so graphic…but I can’t think of another succinct way to put it.)
Teri, the collar of the shirt was in the bag. The skull WAS NOT in the bag.
Based on the known anthropological evidence, it would not have been possible for her to have been wearing those shorts, that is as graphic as I intend to be on it.
B
I sent Yuri the link to the myspace page and apparently Siggy sent just the photo.Yes Siggy sent the exact photo that was on her photobucket cropped because that was how it was found cropped.
Photo was found about 3 days before the first set of Docs that described clothing ,so not sure of those dates but was way after Caylee was found .
So yes something stinks in Anthonyville but honestly I can’t see even Baez being that dumb or Casey.
geeze Blink– you are amazing me even more– you timed this article right to save us from eye deterioration trying to find cars in fuzzy photos– (which some great observant Blinkers actually did).
I never make those connections– signorbella– but I never, repeat NEVER go to topix.
Interesting, and I expect we will hear more when the time comes, of these online familly activities– Blink style.
Note: Casey’s haircut. Seems the same hairstyle as in all of the ‘ugly coping’ pics to me
(OT– AMBER ALERT for missing north Fla girl: http://www.wftv.com/news/21347761/detail.html)
Granmomma
Yes … Casey allegedly told Lee in one her jailhouse video visits when he asked who he could trust during his investigation that he could trust Amy, but Annie wasn’t to be trusted. However, what ended up coming out recently was that it appeared Lee ended up doing somewhat the opposite of what Casey had originally told him. He seemed to completely distrust Amy and even implicate her to some degree to LE, and yet he appeared to show some sort of trust in Annie even though Casey told him she couldn’t be trusted.
Don’t know what any of that means, but if nothing else, it just shows how backward the thinking is in that family.
#49
Links to that myspace page are pointless…She has closed her page ,so you cannot get in photos.
She is just a Caylee supporter from what I gather ,has tons of Caylee pictures but where she got photo is important because it was not anywhere online or in Casey’s photobucket .
Ahh– did Jesse buy that T for Caylee??? Cindy says she would not buy something like that for her. WHO purchased it?
Anyone figure out that CASEY is the source (of course) BUT that Ms. CASEY MUST HAVE TOLD THE “TRUTH” in order for ANY of this to be useful to her helper leprachauns???)= Ergo– CASEY IS CAPABLE of telling the truth, not just snippets or ‘clues’, and she is CAPABLE of planning, decieving, and planting evidene against innocent people and not someone who is living in a fantasy ‘LIE’ world of her own.
Hi Blink et al,
First time poster, long time lurker! OCSO interviewed Ricardo Morales on Nov. 4, 2008 and questioned him about some deleted e-mails to the Globe magazine. Don’t know how to attach the link, but you will find the transcript on docstoc.
Nope, I read it. He admitted it, it is possible, but no way is anyone getting past the cover of the Globe shows Caylee Anthony in the shirt ultimately found with her remains 2 months before their recovery and 6 days prior to Casey’s indictment. This is no coincidence.
B
deederma, I think the way ‘we’ saw the photo first, in the depo very black photo, juxtaposed in our minds, with what we saw of duct tape in the last releases, made seeing that photo in the depo releases very ominous and worrisome, although the child was happy, even moreso in my mind, than in many photos with her mother, where Casey has the big smile, Caylee often ’stares’ or is clenching a posed smile, vs natural. This photo is one of the most natural expressions of a happy child– she’s not looking at mommy but someone else– like Cindy.
It was just ‘fear’ that this photo was something being released that we did not want to see. (thank goodness– )
#53 by justice23
I believe Lee’s distrust of Amy began when she was angry about her checks being stolen and was prob indicating that she would press charges (my opinion, of course). But if you look in the last thread, (or better in Lee’s transcipts), I noted that he almost talked about the checks as a reason to distrust Amy, then caught himself, rambled and moved away from that. He mentions that he didn’t believe she was such a good friend of Casey’s. In my opninion , that good friend would have been someone to let the check thefts go. But he made sure he didn’t ‘go there’ with the state, after catching his true feelings, he blurted nonsense.
Justice23………that’s probably more of their code-talking. Meaning in a backwards sort of way. Which Anthony was it that said that? I can’t remember now, but I remember one of them saying….”in a backwards sort of a way”. Was this said in the same jail conversation as the who can and can’t be trusted, that Lee and Crazy had? I will try to listen to that one again in a minute. I’m at work and don’t want to become unemployed for being so obsessed with these whack jobs!
Just about choked on my french fries, I was having for lunch….now that is a BOMBSHELL! AWESOME REPORTING BLINK!!!!
I dont think he lied, Casey herself can sell anything right now, as long as she sold it, and if she used funds to pay him in his responsibilities, it is not illegal. The question becomes- WHY THIS PHOTO??
B
Ohhh, ok, I get it! Thanks for helping the remedial kid!
1. Could the Big Trouble shirt have been a 2nd Birthday gift from Jesse to Caylee? (if the plan is to throw Jesse under the bus)
2. Could this be something that links back to Cindy, that Casey thinks might implicate mommy dearest? (if the plan is to throw Cindy under the bus)
3. If the sale of the photo came with a guarantee of future sensationalism (Caylee found wearing same shirt as on our cover) could she have negotiated additional funds? (if the plan is to provide Baez & company with bus fare)
4. Will the monetary value of the autopsy/remains photos now be worth more than any threat of contempt of court charges? (if the plan is to purchase a fleet of buses)
Lol, throwing this out to the group except the remedial part. I have seen your sleuth skills in action Clock, your quite competent.
B
Lily, that’s EXACTLY what I noticed about the picture. Can we date it by Caseys hair? It looks almost the same length as when the bump and grind pictures were taken, just a little shorter maybe?
Well, so we are left wondering:
Is it a “KARM-A-cal coincidence” that this photo showed up, or something else?
In the words of the man in the black hat…..
There is always a grain a truth in everythnign Casey does….
could by why she sold that picture….JMHO
#24 westsidehudson
Blink might refute this (or not), but my own personal opinion is that George obviously lied. There have been so many weird things regarding “that last day” that it’s been hard for me ever truly convincing myself that George even saw Casey that last day, let alone that he could remember after so long so vividly what Casey/Caylee allegedly had on that day. Nothing against the male sex of course, but differences are what they are and I know my own husband, bless his heart can’t remember what any of our 3 children wore the day before, let alone months later and he seems representative of most men when it comes to details like that. A woman remembering something like that in that degree of detail? Yeah, maybe, but even then it’s a tossup depending on the mom/woman. But a grandfather that long after? Not buying it.
I believe that’s why during that Greta interview Cindy does her little hand tightening on his leg when George starts to forget he’s supposed to be sticking with the Cindy script and begins to say he was watching the news, then instead changes at the last minute to say the Food Show he watches because none of them really wanted the true timeline to be known … by LE or the media and hence the public. I think some depth of George has actually always known the truth, being the homicide investigator that he once was. My brother-in-law is a police officer and he says once in Law Enforcement, always in Law Enforcement … that intuition and “cop sense” never completely leaves you, even after retirement although George often downplays his. I truly believe he has had a very strong sense for a very long time that Caylee was gone at the hands of Casey and was on the verge of potentially breaking until the DP got put back on the table by the State. JMO of course …. you can give me my two cents later, LOL
So is “Jadens Grandma” a friend or associate of the Anthonys? Was this what Kleat was driving at on the last thread?
#55….Good Lord…to think I passed spelling and typing.
I am baffled by everything this family does. I am now convinced that George will confess to killing Caylee accidently. He never though it would go this far and that none of the evidence would point to Casey. He can now claim insanity based on all his actions and Cindy will of course make him come clean. He was overcome by guilt back in Jan with his false suicide and is getting closer to his confession
Of course, this will be all made up to get the focus off of Casey and place some morereasonable doubt out there.
Anything is possible. I do so want to see ALL of them (including Bozo) in jail.
I must be dense. I have read this article 3 times. I don’t see what that picture has to do with anything .. Kids don’t wear clothes just one time ..
Would this photo have been sold while Mark NeJame was working for the Anthony’s? Yes– of course. Would George and Cindy have tried (and I put GEORGE first before Cindy– he need attribution for his real role) to ask Mr. NeJame to give photos to Baez or play any intermed role?
This no longer seems to be a ’stranger’ did it, set up. But points to a real person, even if they do not name such a person.
And, if the family members no longer believe 100% (no dna is 100%) that Caylee is dead, then is the defense bringing Dr. Lee to dispute the dna? And then, WHAT did the stranger do?? Just kidnap?
Natalie Holloway’s mother and family went to the vacation island to FIND their daughter, alive or not– to find answers, to bring her home– they went door to door, endlessly searching, physically out there. Why did George and Cindy not go to Puerto Rico, go door to door, asking for help (offers of American dollar reward money to a poor neighbourhood, or a grotto or areas where a white child would stand out). IF they are serious, they need better help than Domi can give and they need to get the jewellery OFF, and get out and do the leg work to find their baby.
justice23, that is an AWESOME find! Well done!!
So it still could be a coincidence (it’s kind of the definition of what a coincidence is), or it could be something much, MUCH more interesting, as Blink suggests. Of course, you’d think they’d hang onto the photo until AFTER the body was found, thus making it wayyyy more valuable (”Get yer red hot photo of caylee wearing the Big Trouble shirt!”). Huh.
If we go with the coincidence angle, then I’d say they chose the pic because Casey has such a perfectly sly look that says “Am I a good mom, or am I sinister killer?”
If we think it’s on purpose, it will be fascinating to learn who sold it to ‘em (and for how much and all that).
So it is a cute, younger Caylee with more of her chubby babyfat, and not an “I’m about to kill you in the trunk” memento. Phew.
As for the cropped thing, am I alone in thinking it’s not the least bit odd that Lee—or any stranger you stopped on the street—would note that it’s cropped? I think that 99% of people would notice that right off the bat—-but maybe I am wrong, and it would mostly be people who work with photos and cameras and editing software who would notice—(but doesn’t ‘everyone’ have photoshop and/or multiple digital cameras with built in editing software these days?).
I do think the non-standard dimensions jump out at you, though.
PS Why does the Globe headline read Why Caylee Mom Snapped instead of Why Caylee’s Mom Snapped?
My answer to the why this photo question…….
Casey told Baez or whoever the agent was for this photo that Caylee was wearing this shirt when she was snatched from Blanchard Park, dropped off at Sawgrass (whatever story she was going with that day). The Globe is told this is the last thing that Caylee was seen wearing when she was “snatched” so IF she is ever found perhaps she will be in that shirt because the likelihood of a kidnapper keeping her alive would be slim to none just based on normal child abduction statistics. Could have gone as far as to tell the Globe….we are only telling you this part about the shirt in confidence because this is a detail only the real “kidnapper” would know and the “police” don’t want to let all the details out. So IF she is ever found, you will already have this picture and published which will make it worth a whole lot of defense dollars….you buying what I’m selling?
Yep.
B
wsh– I’m not sure what that connection is. The myspace page is attached to Lee’s depo– there is a man in the photo, but I’m not sure of which exhibit lee was answering to, when he said that was his father.
I’m lost on the connection there, unless Jaden was the little girl seen by Wanda Weary, or connected to the flight out of Orlando that all the fuss was made of (you know, the flight manifest, the videos etc, that no authorities ever looked into– like Cindy and Wanda continually ‘put out there’ to say they are not looking for a live Caylee).
And WHY the specific connection to this woman who obviously is CLUELESS, TOTALLY CLUELESS on dog behaviour. She hasn’t got the first idea. (but then, she might be a breeder– scarey what she would produce from her dogs if so).
Does anyone think that MAYBE Lee isn’t the loyal brother he is pretending to be and that maybe he is trying to get Casey convicted and therefore out of the way? He has stated in the past that he was closer to Cindy than Casey, so maybe he has all along been fighting for HER affection which she did not have time to give to HIM because she was too busy protecting CASEY and getting Casey out of trouble all the time? Just a thought?
I’m remembering questions from Cindy about who cut Caylee’s hair, who dyed Casey’s hair. Also questions during Cindy’s depo about recent changes of hair color. They may have receipts for a hair salon.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the state can prove by Casey’s hair in this pic that she had possession of Caylee AFTER she supposedly was kidnapped.
Also, could the Globe pic deal be the $14000 deal that Casey was telling Tony about? …and the source of payments to Baez?
Well, if I recall correctly, in one of the releases, the prosecution says that this shirt was INTENTIONALLY put on Caylee. That seems to hit on a few levels now.
#64
westsidehudson
jaden’s gmom is not a friend of the anthony’s
She is however a online supporter of Rg Grund.
Also, I love love love the “tying the shirt back to Jesse” theory, but why haven’t we seen the Ants or anyone bring it up in yet? Shouldn’t they have been peppering their testimony with it?
#46 Kleat/Blink
According to the LE docs, the “Big Trouble Comes Small” shirt was a 3T … link shows the tag found with the remains of the shirt. At 34 mths, Caylee would have in fact been in a 3T shirt at that time … my girls were about the same size as Caylee at that age and they were in 3T too.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252744/detail.html
Intentionally as forced for it’s size, onto Caylee– why intentionally? To point the finger at someone, or to put that ‘trouble’ statement to implicate someone else thinking the baby was ‘trouble’, or Casey was ‘trouble’.
‘I… Killlll…. Jessss—-eeeee’ Very strange….
Re: the missing bruise, I think whoever cropped the photo also lightened it considerably (compare the pinks in the shirts and the purples in the lettering, her eyes, etc.—everything is lighter in the cropped one) and that might be why the bruise is faded out in the cropped version.
Re: the size of Caylee’s shirt. In my own experience with my kids, once they reach a certain size they tend to stop growing “out” very much and just get taller for a while. Between 2 and 3 it was mostly the length that my kids grew out of. Things like shirts and shorts could be worn for a long time. I think Cindy’s potential argument about the size of the shirt is pointless. Caylee could very well have still fit into that shirt when she was found in.
IMO there is no way in H that Cindy didn’t recognize that shirt!
Also, to address why this particular photo would be worth more — if the Globe bought it, they probably have the rights to it. Can you imagine how many times this photo will be reproduced now that this story has broken??? Multiply times used X $$$ = BIG$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kleat@12:35pm-maybe thisis why LE wanted the JCPenny aales slip or whatever it was that Cindy was reluctant to turn over to them.Its my guess that this is something that was purchased and thrown in with the body, so Cindy would be able to say exactly what she said.I would never buy her shirts like that and I wonder who would have purchased something like that for Caylee.hence,the nanny who bought and kept clothes and everything else for Caylee. this has to be what is being eluded to here.THE ANTHONYS HAD A LOT OF TIME TO COME UP WITH THIS AND OTHER THINGS TO TRY AND POINT THE FINGER AT ANYBODY BUT CASEY. JMHO!
jaden’s gmom
Has absolutely no connection to Casey ,Caylee ,The Anthony’s ….Anyone
She just happened to have the cropped photo of Caylee on her myspace page.
Why,I do not know but that was where it was located.
Never asked her why she had it ,just sent link of photo to Yuri!
Far as I could tell she was just a Caylee supporter that happened to have some issues with not seeing her grandchild.
I thought there might be a ‘dog show/breeders’ connection between Weary and Jaden’s family, if only because people were flying out with dogs, maybe flying out on the same Orlando-Atlanta flight. Connection of Wanda was to Cindy and both had Yorkies. Connection of the little girl at the airport, was said to be because of ‘puppies’. But then, the dog show that Weary was at, woudn’t be the same as for a doxie person.
BTW, George’s first wife was, from his depo, Terri. (so that’s out)
WSH, I know the prosecution suggests that the shirt was deliberate but that seems unprovable. Are they trying to provoke a “gawd, no it wasn’t!” out of Casey? lol
Re: my comment about rights to the shirt picture — maybe those rights still belong to Casey??? That would make even more sense and add to the argument that this picture was deliberately chosen. Blink — how does this work?? Would the rights belong to the Globe or to Casey, if she was the one who sold it???
There’s a whole lotta “depends” attatched to that. No doubt there is an NDA associated with it, and it depends on usage or excusivity, which in itself, the nature of that contract would be telling.
B
That ole subconscious again!
Casey put that shirt on Caylee because she knew she’d be in Big Trouble for killing someone “Small.”
She also wanted to reveal her crime to the Globe and wasn’t above getting money from it.
At the same time, her conscious mind thought she could get out of the situation by distraction, confusion, falsehoods, and by putting the blame on others. This strategy is ultimately doomed.
Sal– thanks for the Blanchard Park connection/explanation that Blink agrees with— I’m remembering that Cindy, nor Lee, reported the Blanchard Park version when it was ‘revealed’ to them to the FBI or OSCO or anyone. Not so important– and George had told Morgan and Morgan, he never even heard of the Blanchard Park version. (I haven’t read what he might have said in his state depo yet).
SO, not important to get out on Caylee posters, this t-shirt description with the child as clothing last seen in????? Crazy– they didn’t want to find this child obviously– alive or dead if they didn’t give the proper information to investigators (REAL investigators, you know, the ones with ‘DAVID’ and better than Goggle search engines).
That lack of sharing with the FBI is shocking– but they go with Casey not trusting regular law people, but why didn’t BAEZ make sure LE knew what the child was wearing last in the ‘real’ kidnap scenario??? FIND THE LIVE CHILD!! (unless…)
Suz, I suspect it’s just a version of ‘Tot Mom Snapped’ but with ‘Caylee’ instead of ‘Tot’. Attention grabbing at a newstand I suspect. (who needs proper grammar in a headline when the only purpose is to grab attention with words, not proper sentences)
oh my gosh Blink stop it! I am jet laggin Big Time and can’t even keep up…spent my whole day back at work catching up on the last one amd now this…help me please..
I was braggin to my sis about this case and all my know all, catching her up on all the digs during the 48 hour show we watched togehter and now I feel like a total lost cause…
Holy He!! how can I feed my family and understand all this BS at the same time..
where is my mind somewhere in a Delta Terminal between UT an Gemany
thanks to all you good folks for being on top of this…looks like work will be on stand by tomorrow AGAIN
great work Blink you and the Bomb Diggity
Justice, sweet justice! I hope this puts one more lock on her jail cell. Karma is raining down like a s#*t storm on Ms. Anthony and I love it.
If Baez told someone at the Globe that this picture contains the shirt that Caylee died in, why hasn’t the Globe person come forward? Actually there would be more than one person at the Globe, someone who also needed to approve the payoff. Then there would be the emails back and forth and the secretaries talking at the water cooler. IMHO, too many people involved. I can’t buy it.
I’ve emailed the Globe, can’t wait to hear their reaction. Maybe someone from there will post here.
opps I mean you are the Bomb Diggity, she I cant even see, got tooth picks in my eye lids to hold them up
Hey Granmomma, Glad we could all make you laugh over at Dave’s. You must be one of those anit-Anthony’s who uses the words, Skank, Scamthony’s, Sindy, Bozo etc. One of the great things at Dave’s site is that no one sinks to 3rd grade name calling. Also, there are plenty of Ant-Anthony’s. I am one and I am a commenter at Dave’s. Only I don’t spew hatred at the Anthony’s. Hey, take a couple advils for your head that hurts!
Linda-
your new to the site, so I will give you a pass, but I try to keep the name calling to a minimum, and it most certainly does not make one a “hater” of any kind. We treat difference of opinion with respect around these parts-
B
Awesome job - Justice23 & B
One question that I have - if, as we have theorized here, the Globe had knowledge that this picture had significance because of the Blanchard Park story, the why didn’t the Globe run with that story just as soon as the discovery about the lettering on the shirt came out?? It’s been a while, hasn’t it??
My guess would be to avoid a subpoena. A 34 month old child was found murdered in the shirt (or with her remains) that graced their front page 2 months before she was found. Protecting a source will not supercede a criminal investigation for murder, of that I am certain.
B
#59-I THINK SHE IS A MIDDLE MAN FOR THE DEFENSE AND THE ANTHONYS.PHOTO SHOPPING THESE PICTURES OF CAYLEE AND CASEY TO ANY MEDIA OUTLET THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN BUYING THEM.WHERE ELSE WOULD SHE GET THIS PHOTO FROM? SHE IS DEFINATELY SOMEONE FROM THE ANTHONY CAMP,MAYBE SHE IS NON OTHER THAN MISCHELL BART. I MEAN SHE IS STILL PRO-ANTHONY AND IT WOULD NOT BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO BE THE ONE WHO SOLD THIS PHOTO TO THE GLOBE ON THE ANTHONYS BEHALF.
Wow! When I opened Blink’s site today all I could think is Wow! Thank you to justice23 and Blink for your sluething skills and thought-provoking analysis. The ominous questions that need to be answered regarding this photo are completely different then the ones I was asking. But thank goodness those who are asking these questions are much more adept at finding the answers than I. Thanks Just Wow! Momof3
Hi everyone,
I’ve been buggered all night!
I just want to throw this out there for some feedback.
My hubby is tired of hearing about this case.(poor guy)
Clues????????
THE TATTOO is Caylee related (we are told)
* bella vita? = high life/beautiful life…
* 3 stars - one not lit…
* KC got the Tattoo July 3 2008 (possibly the very day
that CA posted the message to KC about the “angel from above”)
* Caylee loved to go out at night per JoJo and point to/look
at the stars.
Could KC be referring to Caylee living the high life? In the heavens?
Are the stars there for Caylee? Is the unlit star the clue?
Or is it the two lit stars that stand for something we haven’t thought about.
ALSO…
ZFG22- the imaginanny
ZFG22 myspace picture- Dora (the explorer)
Could the picture chosen as ZFG’s profile pic
have anything to do with Caylee as well?
The picture chosen was Dora the Explorer. Why?
Why not a white dog? ZFG had one right?
or a Puerto Rican Flag? ZFG’s homeland right?
If I was going to make a fake myspace I would use a pic that made someone appear more real. Not less real.
Dora has to be a clue!
* We know Caylee was in Mt. Dora June 15,2008
* We know CA questioned KC while she was in jail
about Mt. Dora
Does the profile pic chosen have any significance to the case?
Could it be that ZFG is really someone else? Related to Mt. Dora?
Also Juliette Lewis, there isn’t one BUT
she is an actress who is well known for staring
in the movie “Cape Fear”.
Does the plot of this movie have anything to do with
this case? probably not… GA was a homocide “cop”
The plot was also about a cheating husband… Not saying
GA did, I was not there but haven’t we been led to believe he did?
Back to “Bella Vita” I cannot shake the feeling that
somehow this ties into a movie I saw a while ago called
“A BEAUTIFUL MIND”
BUT maybe that is because that was the strangest movie
I’ve ever seen and I stayed completely confused until the end!
It was a BIOGRAPHY so clearly people can be that “off” in
real life.
As unlikely as it seems there still have to be clues that we are missing.
I SAY who needs a lie detector!!!
Give an IQ TEST TO EVERYONE INVOLVED!!!
Do a bait and switch…
Tell them whoever has highest IQ must be involved.
The person that scores the lowest is so intelligent they will alter the answers they give in order to not look guilty of concocting the coverup.
Is it possible to fake dumb?
Those with high to average IQ’s are completely innocent of involvement.
I don’t know my IQ- But I’d bet it isn’t good.
Does anyone here know their IQ? and if you do, do you tell people?
or keep it quiet?
oh well back to sleuthin…
#75 Sal
I’m starting to see what Blink was really getting at now. So basically what you’re both saying is that Casey didn’t sell this picture thinking it would actually help the State successfully prosecute her, but to actually help her BS story when and if Caylee was found to incriminate someone else, i.e. Jesse, or whomever they’re going to go after during trial, yes? Hmm … that makes a lot of sense now … wasn’t completely getting it before, but with that being said, didn’t Casey think that maybe, just maybe with the shirt as well as all the things found in HER car also found at the remains site (think infamous pizza box here for one), that that would be a really stupid move? Uh … guessing someone hadn’t had their complete dose of caffeine yet the morning this got decided, me thinks.
Blink-I like your site too.
Possible photo time frame Jan 08 - March 08?????
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1694915/Casey-Anthony-BBQ-Party-Photos-January-2008
Didn’t Kiomarie and/or another old friend of Casey’s sell her story to the Globe or the National Enquirer?
I feel stupid– I did not read enough of MarinadeDave to know he was an Anthony supporter. Duh– I bought into that partly because Shelley (from here and from Second Life) had asked him to do the videos, or more videos.
I didn’t see either, that Ms. Joy Wray was seated in behind him, both presenting to the camera at the hearing. I thought MarinadeDave was showing how the body could be missed in all that Kudzu– maybe he’s been on their side all along? What is behind his work?
Speaking of Second Life and the CSI lab– has that lasted? Anyone use it? I checked it out, but did not stay long, it was a contradiction in terms IMHO– real life uses for a fantasy world– it has to be one or either and not a mix of both because you must know what is real, what is not. This topic is real, not fantasy.
#78 redhat
“Also, could the Globe pic deal be the $14000 deal that Casey was telling Tony about? …and the source of payments to Baez?”
LOL … well, if that IS true, that $14,000 is already way LONG gone with attorneys like LKB (Linda Tripp clone), Dr. Henry “Contaminating evidence? I don’t know what you mean” Lee, Andrea Cryin’ Lyon and Todd Macaloser on her case. So where did all the other money come from? Or isn’t there any left, period? Have defense funds yet run out at this point? Wasn’t there speculation that eventually the funds will have dried up and all the major players mentioned here would be gone? If not yet, then soon hopefully? Although it seems like Andrea is in it for the long haul now with her Mommy Dearest role. Ugh … gag!
damn it I am still needin some spell check
P. 498 Cindy part 2
Is this the photo with Caylee in the pink shirt with Casey mentioned in this depo? Is this where you were refering, Blink, to Baez telling Cindy to zip it?
yes
B
There are three J.C. Penny stores in Orlando according to Google. They all have hair salons in the store.
Did they ever get those receipts?
LOL “almost hot-nellied in my pants”…not sure what that is..but sounds like a towel is needed. LOL
Blink- I’d hate to play poker with you- you beat me hands down with your cards close to your chest.
I love you guys- you’re all so doggone smart. Momof3 also must have had a intuition this picture was very important in some manner- good job to her.
Any word on Christine Sheddy? I know- wrong thread- but I think of her so often/and her mom. An update on the Chris Coleman murders. Sheri’s family is suing Joyce Meyer Ministries in the wrongful deaths lawsuit. Wondering if that one will go to trial about the same time as Casey.
Back to lurking in TOTAL awe.
#79 westsidehudsen
“Well, if I recall correctly, in one of the releases, the prosecution says that this shirt was INTENTIONALLY put on Caylee. That seems to hit on a few levels now.”
Yes they did. I’ve been wondering about that statement too. HOW would they actually know this for sure? LE isn’t really allowed to speculate in a case, especially in regard to evidence, right? Don’t they have to have something to actually back it up? And how pray tell would they do that in this case? Unless they’ve secretly hooked up something to Casey’s head and monitored her thought processes or something against her will … how would they possibly be able to prove this? Statement from someone close to Casey at one time that we haven’t seen released yet? Sorry … I just keep going back to that … my bad. That feeling just won’t go away though …
wow their discussion over the picture question goes on until page 510! and they talk about spilling the beans??
Aug 7th Marinade Dave has picture on his site
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/sex-lies-videotape-actually-its-photos-maps-and-e-mails/
Let’s be distinct, please. The CROPPED pic are you referring to?
The cropped pic has been around, that is correct. However, this is the first correlation to the Globe piece and the date of it’s appearance.
B
Oh My! They just posted a color picture over on Scared Monkeys of the laundry bag Caylee was found in. It breaks my heart to see this. How in heavens name could Cindy have looked at this picture during the depositions and not broken down? How could she possibly have maintained her composure?? I just don’t understand.
# 80 “jaden’s gmom is not a friend of the anthony’s
She is however a online supporter of Rg Grund.”
Okay, so either we can deduce that she got the photo from the Grunds, quite innocently, and they had nothing to do with the sale? Or the Grunds were the ones who sold it? Or the Anthonys knew that this was a photo that the Grunds had taken (they had a copy), Casey knew what shirt Caylee was left in, or the shirt was left later, and so it was sold to a tabloid by Casey? And somehow it would tie things back to Jesse?
My head is spinning.
ASIDE: did anyone ever locate this website that was created to damage the Grunds reputation (that Lee was asked if he knew about in his depo)?
shizza…Kleat can we talk….dang it I need you right now…westside where are you? I need some phone numbers to have a one on one, look I will call and pay the bill I just need some understanding i am going Age Sh!t
hehehe
Why the masculine form in Signor**bella? Grund is Italian.
P. 497
A:Casey and Caylee playing in 2007
Q: When specifically
A: Probably– it was before Caylee’s second birthday. Right around Caylee’s second birthday, but before that
Q; how do you know that?
A; Casey’s hairstyle, Caylee’s hair and–
Q; did you take that picture?
A: Yes
Q: you still have the original I believe?
A; I don’t know if it is on the camera the sheriff’s department has.
oh hell here we go again spell check…I meant Ape Sh!t…. hahahhaha I am off to bed you all have fun I will catch you in the morning.
Blink keep doing your thing Girl!
Kleat you lost me here
‘I… Killlll…. Jessss—-eeeee’ Very strange….
P. 498
The witness; And just for the record, the only document I recognize on this is the –
Mr. Baez: Cindy, don’t don’t don’t
The witness: No I just want to make sure, because–
Mr. Baez: Cindy, no no
The witness: — we stopped– ok?
Mr. Baez: Cindy you can’t go into anything
The witness: Well, I was cut halfway off, and, sorry-
Mr. Conway: Thats alright
Mr. Baez: Zip it
SS: Can you imagine an attorney, WHO DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU, telling you to zip it?
B
Marinade Dave got to shake Mr. Anthony’s hand the other day. He was very proud of himself for that, so I wondered if he was an Anthony supporter. He seems like a fair guy but he sure goes out of his way to protect the very people that get on TV and dig their holes a little deeper.
Still I read there ONLY….just to get a chuckle at how blind people that are sympathetic to the Anthony’s are.
This is from the transcript of Casey’s interview right after she was indicted and arrested. She always seems to slip and give up details. Check out this statement:
“When people are only getting their information from the Nancy Grace’s or from GLOBE MAGAZINE or People or you know stuff like that.”
This was 10/14/08 and this was on the cover of the 10/20/08 issue.
Does anyone know what the content of the article was that accompanied that photo? Maybe that could be a clue.
Also, whoever mentioned Kio selling her story, could she have gotten this?
Did the Anthonys ever use this photo on the Caylee site?
# 112 Soulsister
Is that Cindy’s transcript? Don’t you think that it relates to the photo with Casey on the floor holding Caylee overhead. I think it was also a video. That quote seems to describe the photo I just mentioned vs the one posted here. She isn’t really playing with Casey in the Globe shot.
Soulsister #112
That part of Cindy’s depo that you quoted is referring to another picture that she was shown. It’s the pic where Casey as Caylee on her knees doing the airplane thingy you do with kids.
Yes, thanks for noting that Sal
B
Excuse me, Granmomma, Mr. Dave, is not an Anthony supporter. He spoke to Mr. Anthony said his sorrow for their loss, spoke alittle about the Green Bean story and shook his hand. I think that was being a gentleman with manners. He is fair in his reporting. I can not speak for him, I believe he believes we do not have to walk in the Anthony’s shoes.
‘zip it’– yes I wondered what all that is about– the state and Baez and Cindy all knowing she should not ‘elaborate’. Cindy seems hard to control.
This might be a reach– but Cindy used the term ‘Zip’ drive for what seemed to me to be a reference to a ‘FLASH’ drive– a small capture device on a keychain. I don’t know if Zip is used interchangeably for ‘flash’ or not, re: small memory devices. (I thought a ‘zip drive’ was specific, but then I might be thinking for Mac, vs pc)
Could Baez have been hinting to Cindy with his use of ‘zip it’ as a reference to what she called her or Casey’s ‘zip drive’ and it’s contents? She made a huge fuss of the ‘zip drive’ in her discussion with Yuri’s boss over that ‘luncheon’ date).
LOL Blink!! Thats funny! Why is this discussion of the picture sealed– grand jury testimony sealed? is this to be released?
124 comments within a few short morning hours…. this must be a Blink record….
thank you sal!
“SS: Can you imagine an attorney, WHO DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU, telling you to zip it?”
Blink.
I don’t think he is a wordsmith. He uses colloquialisms often, but that may actually be good for a jury, it gives him the “regular-guy persona”.
He may not represent her (in a legal sense), but clearly he does represent her! (Monty Python: nudge nudge, say no more)
oh so its about the shorts??
These comments are growing so fast today.
Kleat: re: bruise under left eye in photo—it took some time but I found a reference to Ricardo Morales and a picture of Casey and Caylee on his sofa, which he said was taken on Jan 23, 2008, and he said in his statement that Caylee had fallen against a table.
So, if Casey had told people that RM’s apartment was the Nanny’s apartment (but got called on it pretty fast), that would put the bruise under Caylee’s left eye as happening at the nanny’s apt. (?) Apparently Caylee was still wearing that t shirt at the end of Jan.
If someone else already found this: sorry for repeating it. I did not find the picture of the two of them on the sofa that RM was talking about. Will keep looking. It shows the same bruise as in this new picture.
Kleat - respectfully I think you’re totally misrepresenting Marinade Dave’s site. He just doesn’t allow bashing of the Anthony’s or the other players - a couple of whom comment on his site. He is not pro or anti anybody. And I for one am glad to have this site and Dave’s site - its so much better than the echo chamber of seeing who can make up the most derogatory twists on these people’s names and their physical appearance. That stuff gets real old real fast. There are enough supposed justice for Caylee sites that do that. I love that both Blink and Dave keep that to a minimum with the occasional slip up allowed.
Sorry, maybe you need to be distinct, because I have no idea what you are talking about with the cropped picture. I was just trying to give information about what the other poster was talking about. I was not expecting to be put down for not being distinct enough. To me a link is distinct.
Eyes, my apologies, I most certainly was not putting you down. I was not clear what or who you were responding to.
Thanks for the explanation.
B
Comment by soulsister — October 20, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
P. 498
The witness; And just for the record, the only document I recognize on this is the –
Mr. Baez: Cindy, don’t don’t don’t
The witness: No I just want to make sure, because–
Mr. Baez: Cindy, no no
The witness: — we stopped– ok?
Mr. Baez: Cindy you can’t go into anything
The witness: Well, I was cut halfway off, and, sorry-
Mr. Conway: Thats alright
Mr. Baez: Zip it
SS: Can you imagine an attorney, WHO DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU, telling you to zip it?
B
please tell me how this happens
Just WHO was the ‘SECRET BOMBSHELL WITNESS’ that the other Casey story headline implies… (found low on the photo headline)??
Will we see that person soon now? Do they have the story with photos, ‘ready to go’ on a moments notice from the ‘Joint Defense”???
(Brad’s role vs Baez– Brad is ‘fluff’– and a bit of money negotiating– but his role is obviously ‘fluff’, Baez is the real director of his clients as we see from Cindy’s depo– but Brad does try, as his objection is ‘answer if you know’ following the leader Baez’s ‘objection to the form of the question’– seems to me the state’s preamble was not ‘feeding’ the witness, but giving context before the question (would like a legal view of that– what was really going on with the control of witnesses between Baez and Conway).
Sorry Brad, you are ‘icing’. Hopefully you will have a real role for your clients besides babysitter and media deflector and photo money negotiator for client holidays vs Puerto Rico searches for the baby.
According to Marinade’s site, the cropped picture of Caylee was released in the August 7 document release. I had seen it before and knew it had been around. When did it appear on Jaydengmom site? Was this before or after it was released by the prosecution?
# 139-dee
He is allowed to protect “sealed info”.
Hi Annie……thanks for clearing that up. Because we have all seen what happens to people that seem to be Anthony supporters…..
LOOK OUT HERE COMES THE BUS……….lol
deederma, thanks!! good work– (and yes, it’s really hard to keep up– that will be for a late night read)
Jan 28. 2008 narrows it– and to Cindy’s FBI meeting on video– Cindy went into quite length about that little ‘poke’ bruise, table falling story, relating it to potential ‘abuse’ theories about Casey– deflecting these as vigorously as she could. (one protesteth TOO much was my impression at the time– like so many ‘Cindy’ topics often elaborated for no reason– but for what she knew to prepare for)
dee
Good find with the bruise and Ricardos apartment. Was it really as far back as January? I thought that she was seeing him later. But it all starts to meld together after awhile.
I thought Ricardo was the lover du jour right before Tony. Wasn’t Tony started in late May?
Sorry Blink, I didn’t realize, honestly that I went over the line. Got my knickers in a bunch over what I felt was an insult to me and others commenting on another site. I usually have thicker skin. I have commented here before, but not in a long time.
lol, no problem, happens to me on occasion as well.
Un bunch and thanks for sharing in the conversation.
B
lily, I’ll leave that up to you to figure out as you listen to the little ‘breakfast Caylee’ video– it’s easy to find on YouTube, just plug in that description. Better to see what you think independently. Look at it, but then also play it without watching… you might need to repeat a few times.
Question:
Would the Globe tell LE their source?( And the legal arrangement with that source?)Even with a subpoena?
Or would they say they are ‘protecting their source?’?
Can this information be compelled?
( Or should it be..?)
Legal minds, please comment…!
Thanks Lily, re the Marinade Dave explanation– yes, that makes sense– if you allow both sides, some will say you are a supporter of only one side or the other. Anthony’s and defense as one side, the ’state’ on the other.
(but the STATE is ON CAYLEE”S SIDE and have stated that publicly AND ON THE RECORD as distinct from the ‘family’ now in the last hearing. Seems, it’s the Anthony’s vs CAYLEE now)
ArgentinaRose– but the t-shirt was in the photo, the photo relates to a photo taken in Jan 2008, the photo was published in October 2008. Doesn’t sound like the shirt was purchased after Caylee died.
(Unless the shirt was purchased to duplicate one maybe thrown out or ‘garage saled’ earlier– Cindy did say she was working her way through some of Caylee’s clothes that were too small, but hadn’t done them all — talking about when the child was still with them, of course) Maybe another shirt in a larger size was purchased later IF they planned to tie an earlier ‘gift’ to Caylee to the disappearance and body if found.
Signorinabella is not Grund and The way Cropped photo was found was via a clicking a persons myspace page{Jadensgmom} via Rg’s page.
Just basically a boring day clicking links on his page after reading his blog.Clicked her page ,checked out photos ,noticed it because I never seen it ever before online.Then a few days later docs came out ,describing letters on shirt and I remembered the photo and where I seen it! Sent to Yuri same day.
Again that lady is the only one who can say where she found it,I never asked her.
When those bangs were trimmed for that photo vs the photo at Ricardo’s– IIRC, a photo with the bruise was taken with Caylee wearing a head scarf/bandana– (IIRC)– will have to look that up, as I don’t recall short trimmed bangs as in the Globe photo. (Caylee’s bangs were very long and pulled away from her face in the ‘Zanny apartment photo– Ricardo’s apt with the drum/burgandy curtains, and teeth clenched posed ’say cheeze’ for photo)
Blink and Justice — Congratulations and thanks for this scoop!!! I checked a few minutes ago and only saw it mentioned on SM — no news release yet. You are way ahead of the pack! I love this site!!!
Gotta go help lay floor in the basement before going back to work tomorrow, but will check back later. Can’t wait to see what new ideas, news and theories everyone comes up with.
Well, I will refrain from going to Dave’s site because now I am a fool. I was only going by the comment that Kleat left about him being an Anthony supporter. I only heard of Marinade Dave when the SL was created here, and then when I saw the Judge call him up the other day, I figured he could be another good read. There’s no one that comes here and comments that are sympathetic to the Anthony’s and I figured it would be a good thing to finally get another view of the case. BUT, what a FOOL I was to think that…..well, atleast, according to Dave.
Gran, Kleat has clarified her comments graciously.
I do recommend reading at marinade Dave’s site, and any other site you are comfortable.
Mr. Marinade (feels odd to say that) has down a very good job being objective on this case, maybe even moreso than I, and I respect him for that.
I take a slight exception to the fact that no one comes here with sympathy for the Anthony’s, it is simply not true. If you look you will find it. I just believe most find them to be adults with the faculties to make choices, as opposed to their granddaughter, whose choice, if you will, was made for her by her Mother.
B
One thing Cindy said that is true. Casey’s hair grows very fast. Any photos with Casey and Caylee together would be pretty easy to pin down to a time line. Especially if there was a color change at a certain point during the ‘ugly coping”.
Thanks for reminding me what was in that photo, all I really noticed was the bruise and curtains. So that was the drum photo too?
I have unbunched! But I am Casey-Anthonied out today!
Lol, fair enough!
B
I know this comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but…
I was just doing some reading elsewhere
- and I am just now figuring out where the Zenaida and Gonzalez names come from.
They were the last names of the neighbors that backed up to the woods where Caylee was found.
Incredible.
And dumb.
havent read the recent depos, started but threw my hands up at cindy again,then the cruise,then i check in here and bombshell, justice23 and blink,it stuck out in the docs that the state said t-shirt could be premeditated but your link to the mag photo,omg! i’ve been thinking that premedition is starting to show imo,if morgan could show link to casey knowing zenaida was at or would be at sawgrass, shows imo premeditation.now the t-shirt seems(as per other comments)to be possible grund implication,i mention in earlier post the words on the t-shirt,could in a stretch,tie in rev grund as he post in his blog in bold caps I AM TROUBLE,casey could have gotten her idea to implicate jesse & dad right off his my space(there are lots of other symbolisms ie: the snake),i mention this again as appears there might be a tie in between the g’s and the photo. just further evidence of casey trying to implicate others which imo adds to weight of dp.BUT ,i ‘m wondering, i thought the docs had a photo of caylee wearing the shorts found w/remains cant find?
Kleat - I was so happy to see the state STAND UP FOR Caylee. And do it with such force and grace - finally someone said it out loud - in court - in front of the family and everyone.
I apologize if this has been addressed already. It seems this photo is obviously significant. Can it be used against Casey…selling this photo with the knowledge or belief that Caylee would found? That leads me back to the premeditation angle (along with the duct tape). Very articulate, contrived behaviour on Casey’s part. I would also think the Nanny non sense could be put to rest with this photo. Am I way off on this? I know I should leave it to the pros.
Absolutely it can. There is zero doubt in my mind if this photo can be tied to Casey or anyone in that family it will be huge.
B
re: bruise under eye: here is a link to what I believe was Morales apt (”Zanny apt”) photo:
http://www.clickorlando.com/2009/0602/19638179_120X67.jpg
It’s a small pic but shows bruise under right eye (not left eye). Also shows date “June 2 2008″
Also, my opinion only, KC in Globe photo appears to be wearing the deep blue-colored dress in which she appears in many of the Fusion photos. The sleeve may not be the same - a bit higher on the shoulder in Fusion pics but could be distortion or even photoshopping on Globe cover. She appears to have same haircut, make-up and general look of that time frame.
#139 Dee
I’m not her attorney and I would be more than thrilled to tell Cindy to zip it. How gratifying that would be
After an exhaustive day - this is the nonsense I come home to. Why does the media take a thousand photos of Casey and then print the one photo taken during a humorous moment. This is not a laughing matter - and these attempts of tainting the jury pool by cherry picking what is presented to the public will not stand. This media and Persecution have utilized this form of propaganda for over a year. The public has now been effectively brainwashed and is incapable of objective judgment. We are beyond a change in venue and are talking mistrial.
Wake up sheeple and demand justice for Casey AND Caylee.
God Bless
OrlandoEAST (10/16/2009, 5:16 PM )
Heh?
Conversely, how does the media, ( in this case one outlet) produce a picture of Caylee in the tshirt she is found with amongst her remains, that nobody in her family has ever seen. Funny, I dont recall such a post when this issue came out?
B
#20 Comment by Silent observer
Hi Every
I have a question can someone please
Is it possible that her agent could have been her attorney Mr Jose Baez?
And if this is so will this person’s identity be made public. It’s dispicable the manner in which these individuals can dirty and taint the memory of this little girl.
back to my loft
It definately was, or he is at least aware.
B
This made me think about Jose’s daughter Christine that he hired this past summer for Media relations (someone posted this awhile back) Could it be Christine that worked with the Globe on the defence’s behalf? Would this be why the complaints against Baez have not been proven because it isn’t Jose directly negotiating or selling photos/videos?- Momof3
Blink,
#51
If striped shorts were not on the body, what was she wearing on the bottom?
Found on here in “Autopsy Revelations Part I article”
B
I was shocked that Cindy would tolerate the Baez rebuke especially considering the supposed “bad blood” bwtween them. He certainly seemed insistent on shutting her down tho.
Did anyone else notice LE’s question during Cindy’s testimony regarding great Grandmother Plesea’s hair? seemed rather odd to me.
Before things get out of hand, please let me say I am an avid supporter of Blink and her site. She is the best in the business and she is a most gracious host and ally in the search for truth. She treats everyone with respect and I have nothing but admiration for her.
I have 2 points to make:
I would not jump the gun on the photograph in question. Yes, it was a great find and there may be something to it. I am a skeptic, though, and that shouldn’t be taken as an insult to anyone. It has been my nature since before I was bald and God only knows how many arguments have ensued at my own site because of it. Fortunately, I never had to tear my hair out by its roots.
I have never been an Anthony lover or supporter. Now, it’s my understanding from reading comments here that I was seated near Joy Wray and I must have been on a date with her or something. Call it courting. Let me tell you, not only did I not know the woman until later that morning, after the hearing, I never knew she was seated behind me. The last photograph I saw of her was when she was a blonde. Until Friday, when we ran into each other at the parking garage as I went back to retrieve my video camera, I didn’t know her. When we met, I still didn’t know who she was until she told me her name.
As for loving the Anthonys or supporting them, absolutely not. For one thing, they are not on trial, but more importantly, I have always been a supporter of manners. All my life. Because I hate it when people use stupid names I left behind when I entered 3rd grade, I don’t allow name calling on my site. Maybe a little. I have no clue why people have branded me this way, but please don’t do that. This is precisely what I mean. It’s hurtful and it creates problems that just aren’t there.
Thank you, Blink.
Dearest Marinade Dave,
Thank you for your kind words and I promise I will try my best to continue to be worthy of them. I am new to your site, but I already love it. I felt as though I was in court with you Friday, and prior to that I was riding along side you during your many trips to Wal Mart to prove out the TechBuy Guy theory. I also know that my friend Angela has recently met your aquaintance and speaks highly of you as well ( I trust her above many).
How gracious of you to clarify a position you really should not have had to, and I could not agree with you more.
It is my opinion if one cannot articulate their viewpoint without insulting someone, their viewpoint is not worthy of my, or my readers time. Regardless of one’s opinions in this case, I do believe we all share one commonality.
Justice for Caylee, in whatever way the man upstairs ultimately sees fit to orchestrate here and there.
On the bald thing, my Daddy had 3 daughters, he went bald in thirds he will tell you, and I think he is the most handsome man in the whole wide world (with deference to Mr. Blink and Blink Jr, you understand.)
On dating Joy Wray, I dont know your personal situation, but common sense tells me that your a gentleman of discern and that is a non-issue. I want you to know out of respect for you, I just put that in the nicest way possible (wrt JW).
With deep respect and admiration,
Blink
One of the evidence photos appears to be of a stained rug and I was wondering if it could be from the porch. I have never seen it discussed anywhere so I thought maybe I was mistaken but I do not know what else it could be. So I will throw the link out here and let the experts tell me what it is.
Go to photo 56/79 at the following; http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/100909caseyanthonyphotosofducttapeclothingshovel/indexGallery.htm
It is marked as Q215. Also if it is from the porch then would it be from the front or the back porch? Lastly, does anyone know which body fluids react to the reagents the investigators would have used?
redhat, is Cindy asking about the hairdresser because of the news reports that said a hairdresser said she saw bruises on Caylee (including an eye scrape, similar to the one in the Globe photo—she has them from time to time under either eye in the photos we have seen)? Plus somebody gave Yuri M. a cellphone photo showing some bruises.
I don’t think the Globe photo is from a cellphone because even though it’s not a super high resolution photo, to blow it up that large without it being totally grainy suggests that it had to be a bit higher res than a cellphone provides.
And I’m thinking that it really was just the lightening or brightening of the photo by the “cropper” that made the bruise fade a bit, as in the other thread I think it was our own Gavriella who spotted the bruise under her eye in the cropped photo.
#46
Blink, how can the defense run with the nanny, Caylee being alive in Puerto Rico and Jesse being involved? It would appear Jose and co. are still undecisive about how to present their case. Are these possibilities any stronger than a mother who doesn’t report her daughter missing for 31 days, gets a very questionable cryptic tattoo, shows no sense of emotion or urgency in finding her daughter, lies to detectives about where she works, steals, parties after the fact, can prove there is no nanny etc etc etc. Anything against Jesse would be far less circumstantial than Casey’s situation, or am I way off yet again?
#117 westsidehudsen
“ASIDE: did anyone ever locate this website that was created to damage the Grunds reputation (that Lee was asked if he knew about in his depo)?”
I don’t know the exact website, but IIRC, the name of the group was called, “Team Caylee” and there were allegedly quite a few people involved with this group, supposedly quite a few mothers/grandmothers themselves actually according to Richard himself from what I can remember. Quite stunning if you think about the dynamics of this case. Why any mother/grandmother could actually think Casey and the Anthony’s were innocent enough to actually go after the Grund’s tooth and nail is beyond me. Many of RG’s supporters wanted him to go after the “Team” for slander in a lawsuit, but I don’t know whatever became of that … that was last summer before Caylee was ever officially found during all the searches I believe, but could have been shortly after.
I can see how this picture with this shirt would bring big money for whoever sold it.
But what I don’t get is how the person who sold it could convince the buyer of its worth BEFORE Caylee was found. Unless he/she tipped his/her hand prior to that find.
Blink - Are you suggesting that in the selling of this photo it was revealed to the Globe that there was particular significance to this photo? Would they not then be obligated to contact LE with this information?
I can see a scenario where they create the hypotheticals, you know, only LE has this information because only the kidnappers would know what she had on, blah blah.
B
I, too, would be interested in the article that accompanies that headline.
Anyone?
Guess we can submit a bid.
Is it possible for LE to track down where the pink tshirt was sold in Orlando an who may have purchased it? Now the questions regarding where Caylees clothes were purchased make sense.
Is anyone here in law enforcement? Has anyone here discussed this case with someone in LE (not involved in the case, of course)? I’d be very curious as to what a cop or detective might have to say.
Thanks ~
#61, WestSide: Are you saying that a good friend would have ignored the $700-plus in check thefts? Imagining myself as a near-broke young woman striking out on my own, I don’t think I could be so forgiving. The thief would have to have a damn good reason.
I also wonder if Amy did not press charges at the encouragement of LE.
Thoughts?
#64 Clockwatcher
I vote for Door Number 4. UNBELIEVABLE Just when I thought things were getting a bit boring.
Good Job Blink and Justice.
Now I am more obsessed with this case more than ever. God, What’s Next???
#130 Kleat
“This might be a reach– but Cindy used the term ‘Zip’ drive for what seemed to me to be a reference to a ‘FLASH’ drive– a small capture device on a keychain. I don’t know if Zip is used interchangeably for ‘flash’ or not, re: small memory devices. (I thought a ‘zip drive’ was specific, but then I might be thinking for Mac, vs pc)”
No … zip drive is specifically something different than a Flash drive or rather “Jump drive” which is what people used to call it when they 1st came out years ago. A zip drive is somewhat archaic nowadays and not really in too much use anymore since CD’s have become so cheap and used more or less … zip’s have basically gone by the way of floppy drives and floppy disks … kind of gone in the tech world. We used to use Zip drives (for which Zip disks were used in them, holding more than a floppy disk would) where I used to work years ago before CD’s kind of took over instead. Nowadays, I don’t even think you can find ZIP drives in retail stores anymore. Jump or flash drives (which are basically just little memory devices to transport data back and forth) however, are everywhere.
I’m still with ya Blink on the whole Baez/Anthony family situation. He’s not their attorney. He’s not being paid by them. And yet, he seems to include them in every aspect of this case (of their ADULT daughter), even going so far as to tell her to shut up in a deposition! Somebody please explain to me how that happens. Conway, her own attorney, didn’t tell her to zip it. JB did!
Did you also notice how Cindy got Andrea’s ear right after the hearing. You could see her lips moving (as they usually do), with Andrea seeming to placate her in some way. They all seem to be playing to Cindy. Why? Are they afraid of what she’ll say if they don’t??
Granmomma: Please I reported on Dave’s site that you and I had a truths. Please come to that site nobody will judge you - most of the time. Please I am usually there early am 8 est. Sorry if I offended you.
aww, how can you not Gran?
B
162-Marcy
“61, WestSide: Are you saying that a good friend would have ignored the $700-plus in check thefts? Imagining myself as a near-broke young woman striking out on my own, I don’t think I could be so forgiving. The thief would have to have a damn good reason.
I also wonder if Amy did not press charges at the encouragement of LE.”
I was trying to be in “Lee’s head” (scary, I know). My guess would be that Amy might not have been as angry about the check theft initially, considering the shock of hearing about Caylee missing for 31 days. She might have had some sympathy. Whenever she learned what Casey had purchased (that didn’t involve “stealing to save her daughter”, as Casey put it), this probably sent Amy off the rails. (Thus she decided to prosecute for certain).
So maybe when she first met with Lee (Mr”ploy” investigator) she was softer about the check thefts. Lee was the one who said that Amy first told him that she was a good friend of Casey’s , but he called her “fake”, saying she wasn’t a good friend. He was about to mention the checks, but stopped himself. This is where my speculation comes in. When Casey stole checks from Lee, in the past, he told her never to do it again, but didn’t even attempt to get the money back, or file charges, etc. My assumptions, from his perspective, is that Amy should have done the same. It was not my personal opinion about Amy. I’ll try to find that page. But reading that transcript the first time made me insane.
Ginny — If I recall correctly, the tag on this shirt was similar to another one that was at the A’s. It was a brand that had been sold at Target. I believe the other shirt had words on it also. Something like “I get my good looks from my mom”??? And just recently I remember seeing yet another picture of Caylee in a shirt with a saying — didn’t Cindy say something in her depo about shirts with words. Golly, can’t remember. Off to check the document again.
Both Cindy and Casey shopped at Target, but then again, so did a lot of people.
I must be another dense reader, don’t understand the relevance of this disovery yet. So I’m gonna copy this page for reading purposes only & study the importance of the uncropped photo & how it ties in with Baez telling Cindy in the depo to ‘zip it’ while I’m walking my dogs.
I was Jaden’s Grandma’s MySpace friend at one time & she’s no Anthony supporter but seemed to be close with Richard Grund from my recollection. I deleted all of my ‘Caylee’ friends because of what I considered petty infighting & too much emphasis on religion which I don’t like discussing online, just my opinion. Myspace for me is an expression of my love of animals & their rights so we sort of went in different directions.
I love to read while walking, it’s sunny outside & I can get lost in this crazy case. I’m sure the importance of ‘the uncropped photo’ that may have been sold to the Globe by Casey or Baez will hit me like a ton of bricks but right now I just don’t get it. So off I go to read over the story & all your comments.
I have been away at AA (Anthonys Anonymous) but this is just too much to resist. I haven’t been through all the documents but I think the Anthonys all suffer from too much arrogance but not enough intelligence. If they were as smart as they believed, they wouldn’t be tripping over there lies every time they speak. They are all arrogant enough to think that they are convincing and that they can sway public opinion. Poor Caylee.
# 162Marcy
It’s page # 234. I don’t want to transcribe the entire page and I don’t know how to cut & paste from a PDF. I’m not sure if I could do that here.
I think it would be like an attachment.
#136 dddeerma
“These comments are growing so fast today.
Kleat: re: bruise under left eye in photo—it took some time but I found a reference to Ricardo Morales and a picture of Casey and Caylee on his sofa, which he said was taken on Jan 23, 2008, and he said in his statement that Caylee had fallen against a table. ”
I was looking at this pic earlier from The Caylee Daily (one of the sites Cindy was intent on going after last summer) and noticed something too. Don’t know if this is the same one you’re looking at or not, but this photo also seems to show Caylee having almost a blackened/purple eye. Look at the right eye as she’s laying down. Definitely something there, but from what I have no idea.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/0904caylee9.jpg
Annie, thanks for the invite. You didn’t offend me. You are too sweet. I wasn’t laughing at the majority of the commentors there but I come in to read when someone there was taking a very strong stance in supporting the Anthony’s and just thought some points in their argument was funny. BUT, Dave doesn’t know me either…..and I don’t think I called anyone a name on that site….NOT EVEN A FOOL. Even if I do come there for a laugh every now and then, I have never and would never be mean or ugly to anyone that I don’t know. I think life runs full circle and I always try to be as kind to anyone as I would like them to be to me.
Thanks Blink, I know you defended me earlier to Linda in NY. She said that she didn’t say anything bad, but it had to be worse than anything I’ve ever said to anyone on any blog………ATLEAST, I’ve never been called out for being mean anyways….LOL….and I’ve blogged here for about a year now.
Well, I never seen her comment if you let it through, but I would have probably ignored it anyways, I love the entertainment value of this story, and do think is funny how “all bent out of shape that people get” over alot of things that get said and done.
I just don’t roll like that! LOL……….
Thanks for a great site.
OK, I read the article and the posts…and I’m completely confused. What am I missing here with regards to this picture? I see that Caylee is wearing the t-shirt that was found w/her remains but I’m just not grasping why this pic is so important…please help…thanks!
#175 ginny
The shirt came from Target and was a size 3T … I remember when I first saw them at Target in my state (not FL) and thought for a second about buying them for my twin girls years back, but then thought better because the connotation behind the words just seemed kind of cruel to me for a small child, but that’s just me. I know a friend of mine however did purchase the shirts for her own twins and it’s the exact same shirt. Still wondering who actually purchased the shirt for Caylee if Cindy herself didn’t since she allegedly bought most (if not all of) the clothes. Anyone know yet?
#176 Marcy
I have an old high school friend who now lives down in Lakeland, FL (near Tampa) who’s in LE there and have recently mentioned this case to her and I asked her the same thing … what was her take on this and how did LE around her parts feel about it. According to her, they are all pretty disgusted by Casey Anthony and anything to do with her. They personally believe she is guilty (with everything they have seen over the years with mothers killing their children) and think it’s horrific. I don’t think there are too many people this case hasn’t touched to be honest with you. I know there are still some out there who don’t know much about this case, but it just amazes me.
#189_Stef_”I’m just not grasping why this pic is so important”
For what ever reason, it is an exhibit in the transcripts of depos(as a cropped version), and there were questions asked about it. The last thread has a lot of info on it, if you wish to read further.
Regarding Caylee’s Black eye. I think we shouldn’t make to much out of it until we know more. The reason I say that is my son when he was the same age was walking on the sofa and fell off and hit the coffee table and got quite the shiner. I have a picture I will share. This can happen.
KLEAT: I left you a post way up yonder. I am totally lost now about those gas cans. I am now under the impression she did not have them in her car trunk and never gave them back to GA like he said. What does this green truck theory have to do with it? I thought TL admitted to breaking into that shed for those cans.
Picture Blonde posted looks similiar of Caylee wearing this shirt and her mom with same hair style????
link please
B
Thanks for the picture justice 23. There were more than a few of Caylee with those black circles. It may have been allergies? Or the use of allergy medicine like benadryl. The ones with the left eye “mouse” don’t have a matching right eye. Or too many late nights following Casey? I was just hoping we could date the Globe photo by matching the eye mark. As Kleat has pointed out the bang style is different: in the sofa photo dated Jan 23, 2008, her bangs are long, but have been trimmed for the Globe. I think that would make the Glove photo date after Jan.
I am wondering too why the SA chose that photo to show to the As. It must have some meaning but I don’t know. Funny that Lee knew it was cropped. Also strange that the As claim Caylee didn’t wear shirts with words, or striped pants. I guess they could be “proving” someone else dressed her, but the clothes clearly belonged to Caylee.
G and C must have reasons for the scattered focus of their varied statements and depos but ???
I thought cindy had stated that she would not let her grandaughter wear a shirt that said that so to me that says she would not have bought it. So Maybe no one (the Anthonys) purposely recognized the photo because they wanted to be disassociated with that shirt? But the only reason you would want to be disassociated would be if there was something about the shirt that you knew to be bad. Like that was the shirt the kid was in when she was killed. Dont know, just a guess.
cindeefromwisconsin: me too. The gas cans and the green truck have been bothering me for two days now. My guess is that George is lying so that he can say that the car did not smell of decomp on June 24. Is there more to it than that? If Lee got the gas cans, does it change anything about the duct tape? I couldn’t understand why George would deny so strongly putting a hunk on the can. It meant something to George, but what? The tape is linked solidly back to the Anthonys.
cindee– I am not the one to ask on that at all– I was way behind on that issue. Others might help– forget who besides Blink…. sorry!
thanks, Justice23, that’s what I thought– I remember them because I needed one after I kept a computer too long and needed a way to transfer files! to a newer computer without a way to easily connect the two! Never got one.
Hello Marinade Dave, that was my comment and I apologize as I should have checked the comments first and I am so glad you posted here. I was happy (as per earlier thread posts) for you and the Judge Strickland request to say hello, and also, thank you for your videos of the woods and the neighbourhood, and other places of interest! (I did say this before a few articles back too )
I should have trusted my intuition much more this morning and apologize for the JW thing. No, you did not acknowledge that person behind you at all from what I could see.
When Blink gives someone her ‘nod’, it confirms and relays a certain credibility– you got the ‘Blink Nod’!!
Again, thanks for your valuable contribution via your videos– we all know what Kudzu is now too!!
This has been a crazy day in here– 200 hundred posts on a first day of an article, must be a record!
Keep up the great work– and I am sorry for any misunderstanding, it was a ‘today only thing, you can be sure!!’
O Kleat. Your Neat.
Tis all I got after this day!
B
OH LAWD!!!! WFTV has pics from the cruise. Seems Lee and Mallory were along for the ride as well.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21353061/detail.html
Check em out. Is that a Diamond stud in George’s ear? What is he pulling a Jon Gosselin and sportin the bling? Never seen that until now, does he wear that always? I will leave the other snarkies in my head…although I have LOTS!!!!!
Sal-
You did it. Write this date down. I am Speechless.
B
dating???!! Oh NO!!! Never suggested anything of THAT sort!!! NEVER that… JW was everywhere back then, easy for anyone to run into her.
I pulled the original photo from the Globe into Photoshop 5 earlier and played around the saturation, inversed the colors, etc to see what I could make out of the background. I only have Photoshop 5 and 6 (6 not loaded though) from my old imaging days (before kids), so don’t know if there are any newer Photoshop tools added to later versions that may do better.
If anyone else has a newer version of Photoshop (or just wants to play around with the photo) to see what they come up with, please do and let me know what you find. But after changing the curves for the RGB graphs, I was able to lighten the background only up quite a bit and then shift some of the color overlays. What I swear I saw in the background was either Casey’s room or within the Anthony home somewhere, because I swear I can gradually make out photo picture frames on the wall. The lighter thing to the left of Casey behind her which many speculated was the Winnie the Pooh blanket (still might be on the right side, I don’t know) appears to be the Anthony living room couch with the picture frames in the background. It’s anyone’s guess really, because I still can’t totally make out the complete background in the upper right where all the text is, but I swear til the day is long I can see a picture frame holding what looks to be a larger photo of Casey herself there … similar to her HS Senior Pic.
My eyes may be deceiving me of course, so please feel free to do whatever research y’all want on your own. Photoshop is amazingly powerful for these kinds of things, but my eyes are seeing double after being on the computer (instead of studying) all day today so any help would be much appreciated. There is definitely a photo of someone though hanging on the wall behind Casey in that photo though. Who though is anyone’s guess. At first I thought it looked a lot like Casey but now I really don’t know … a guy maybe? Lee? Wish I had more time to investigate this but sadly, right now I don’t.
If anyone else checks, please let me know what you find. Right now though, from what I can see, I’m leaning seriously toward that pic having been taken in the Anthony living room, Casey’s bedroom, or Caylee’s bedroom. If that’s true, would this basically be a sinking ship for the Ant’s deceiving ways? Would love to stay and chat longer, but I have class in a little while and no studying has gotten done all day yet so I must be going … hoping to possibly be back tonight though after if I can stay awake.
… and zip drives were not USB– ‘THAT” old!!
HEY BLINK…I GOTTA CALL YOU OUT ON A “WACKADOODLE ALERT”!
PLEASE EXPLAIN:
1) YOU STATE :” A cropped version of a photo of CAYLEE wearing the tshirt it is (sic) believed recovered with her remains”….
Er boy- not what it says, interpretation.
Q: WHERE IS THAT SPECIFIC PHOTO NOTED ON THE “CRIME SITE REMAINS LIST”? …IN FACT , THERE IS NO MENTION OF A “DESTROYED CROPPED PHOTO OF CAYLEE WEARING THE PINK SHIRT” LISTED ON THE EVIDENCE LIST..HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT?..
Be honest, and I am asking respectfully- is this a legitimate question?
2) RICARDO SOLD MANY PHOTOS TO THE GLOBE IN THE SUMMER OF 2008… BOTH JOHN ALLEN AND YURI MELICH CONFRONTED RICARDO ABOUT SELLING HIS PHOTOS TO THE GLOBE –AFTER THEY FOUND OUT— WHEN THEY HAD COPIED HIS COMPUTER CONTENTS… ( LISTEN TO THE JOHN/ ALLEN YURI MELICH INTERVIEWS)..
SOMEONE ( OTHER THAN CASEY ) TOOK THAT PHOTO OF CASEY HOLDING CAYLEE IN THE PINK SHIRT…
Q: SO, COULD THAT PHOTO BE ONE OF THE PHOTOS THAT RICARDO TOOK AND THEN EVENTUALLY SOLD TO THE GLOBE?..(AFTER ALL, L.E. COPIED EVERYTING ON RICARDOS COMPUTER..I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL PHOTO WAS RICARDOS AND THAT HE SOLD IT DIRECTLY TO THE GLOBE)..
3) YOU MAKE THE CLAIM THAT CASEY ( BEFORE SHE WAS ARRESTED) PURPOSELLY SOLD THAT PHOTO ( THE PINK SHIRT THAT SHE MURDERED HER DAUGHTER IN ) TO THE GLOBE…
NO. I STATE MY OPINION, and that is my belief.
Q: WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD CASEY ( BEFORE SHE WAS CHARGED ) DELIBERATELY CHOOSE THAT SPECIFIC PHOTO ( FROM THE HUNDREDS THAT SHE HAD TO PICK FROM)?…. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT CASEY ( WAS INSANE ENOUGH ) TO WANT TO DIRECTLY TIE HERSELF– AND HER DAUGHTER– TO THE PINK SHIRT– AND HENCE TO THE CRIME SCENE?? WAS THAT TO INSURE THAT SHE WOULD BE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER (IF THE BODY WAS EVER FOUND)??..
Asked and Answered in previous comments
I WOULD MORE LIKELY THINK THAT WHEN THAT PHOTO WAS PUBLISHED, CASEY PROBABLY STARTED TO HYPERVENTILATE WHILE POSTING OTHER ARTICLES ( ABOUT HERSELF) IN HER “MEDIA COVERAGE SCRAPBOOK”??..
A “SMART KIDDIE-KILLER” MORE LIKELY WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY DESTROYED THE ONE PHOTO –THE ONE PHOTO–THAT DIRECTLY LINKS BOTH SHE AND HER DAUGHTER TO THE PINK SHIRT– AND, HENCE TO THE CRIME SCENE…UNLESS, OF COURSE YOU REALLY ARE SUGGESTING THAT CASEY SOLD THAT SPECIFIC PHOTO TO THE GLOBE ( BEFORE SHE WAS ARRESTED ) TO FURTHER IMPLICATE AND INCRIMINATE HERSELF???
THAT PHOTO ONLY BECAME RELEVANT–THE MOMENT THAT L.E. FOUND THE BODY-BECAUSE IT BECOME THE DIRECT EVIDENCE THAT LINKED BOTH CASEY AND CAYLEE TO THE PINK SHIRT ,AND ,ULTIMATELLY TO THE CRIME SCENE.
Relevant to whom? That is speculation. For someone to sell that specific photo over hundreds of others, for it to make the cover, you dont find compelling?
ALSO, JUST BECAUSE RICARDO TOOK THE PHOTO WHEN THEY WERE DATING ( 2-3 MONTHS PRIOR OR POSSIBLY ON JUNE 9TH?) DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WILL BE IMPLICATED IN THE MURDER….
WHAT?
IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE PHOTO OF CAYLEE, WEARING THE PINK SHIRT, ORIGINATED FROM RICARDO MORALES ( OR ANYONE OTHER THAN CASEY ANTNONY )..WE WILL SEE…
I THINK YOU HAVE GOT SOME “SPLAINING” TO DO…IVOIRE
Respectfully, I would appreciate if you would stop the yelling, and read other people’s comments that cover the subject before you call me out- fair?
B
Blink, in reference to kleat’s #48: speaking of bugging the house, do you think it is possible, that after the initial jail videos, that police could have obtained, or in fact, did obtain, warrants to have the Anthony home phone tapped? If not, in your opinion, do you think they contemplated it?
They did before the jail videos, imo.
B
Justice 23-
I am going to hold onto your last 2 comments for reasons I know you will understand. I am going to email Kleat, as I know she has the capabilities your referencing. It is her thing.
With her permission, can I email you with her product of that request?
B
“There is zero doubt in my mind if this photo can be tied to Casey or anyone in that family it will be huge.”
Do you think the right people in law enforcement will read this thread & take your theory seriously? Or are they already aware of the importance of the photo?
They are and they have.
B
Kleat, LOL
You’re starting to help me date myself, hee hee hee. I’m not super young anymore, but I’m not what I’d consider “old” either, although my kids sure think so, LOL
Blink– you’ve got my number, girl!
Its in your bin
B
Blink….Someone….please help me understand the gas can and green truck theory.
I never heard anything else but the story GA told..
I have been reading this site for quite awhile and never have commented. I have learned alot of the case on here and found this is a great site to come to. Thank you, Blink, for that. I do have one big question regarding this shirt. Was this going to be Baez’s “AHA” Moment? Thank you in advance for any responses.
Welcome Goldie and thanks.
Yes. I keep seeing people saying “Nobody is that stupid to sell this photo”. This is the oldest excuse in the book. That’s exactly why they thought they could. Remember the case of the crime novelist that murdered his wife and wrote about it previous to the murder albeit fictionally? His defense was why the H would I commit a murder exactly how I wrote, I would be the first suspect? Same theory.
B
Sure Blink .. no problem .. whatever it takes. I just want the truth and I think the truth is seriously somewhere in that photo.
ok, it’s a plan. Tell Mr. Justice you did a good job today and to not be irritated but to give his gal a forehead smooch.
B
I said this on Mr Marinade’s blog - but I think these two sites are totally compatible and complimentary. Dave is on the ground. The videos give a local perspective that is invaluable. Plus he is endlessly entertaining. He can get a little cranky (not in a bad way - I would say this to his face) so make sure you observe his terms and rules. I don’t blame anyone who takes the time and effort to manage a blog to put their own tone to it at all. If anyone here was hurt by any comments - just remember how we would all defend Blink (and I have in another case much to my big awakening to the world of crime blog wars). My opinion - because both of these blogs have taken the high road - and you all know what I mean - we should support one another and be happy that there are advocates for these kids when others that should do it - won’t. Not to mention I love the commenters that are drawn to this type of blog and I love the articles written by the bloggers.
Lily-
your a cherished reader, poster and friend.
Good thoughts.
B
Back later guys! Keep sleuthing!
If Caylee Marie Anthony is trademarked then how is it possible for anyone other than an Anthony sell this pic to the Globe?
Just for a point of reference between the Globe photo and early 2008 photo’s of Caylee and her mother, similar hair style, Caylee with the eye boo-boo:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
Blink, you are a stand up chick and I love ya! Thanks for your kind words above! (although, my kids tease me that I am remedial and used to ride the short bus!)
Nice job too you and Justice23, this is very exciting!
Don’t we all want something to do Casey in so badly? Even with boatloads of circumstantial evidence it still doesn’t seem like enough without that one piece of forensic evidence ‘fingerprints’ etc. I want to shut up the Anthony’s covers-ups, finger pointing, framing others, their nastines & constant lying. I want an end to the defenses never ending motions & lame stradegies once & for all. I wish I could fast forward to 1 1/2 yrs from today, by then this all should be over with…please let it be done by that time!
I thought at one time that the Simon Barrett guy at bloggernews had the goods against Casey, turns out he didn’t. I really hope this photo turns into something incriminating for Casey & the defense so we end this mortifying circus, the right person is punished & we have closure & justice for Caylee once & for all. I know I won’t be able to completely rest until it’s done & the Anthony’s fade away into darkness.
I want Cindy george & Lee put in their place & punished almost as badly as Casey. If Casey gets her just punishment so do the Anthonys & I for one will get immense satisfaction from it. I might sound mean like one of the petty name callers you all talk about but they brought the hatred upon themselves for reasons I don’t have to explain to most of you. Let’s get this done & over please Judge Strickland. Why can’t he minimize these pointless motions that the defense knows he’ll shoot down anyway. can’t he start to get the ball rolling & get both trials on done & over with. seems at times he’s letting the defense walk all over him, or maybe in my ignorance I believe the Judge should wield at least some power & authority to do so.
Nice find, Justice 23 and Blink.
However, and this has probably been mentioned earlier because I am nothing more than Captain Obvious sometimes, but the photo would have much greater value after the remains were found than before.
I guess it is possible KC convinced Jose to sell that particular photo because it showed how much fun they had together. Jose, of course, would not know the picture was of Caylee in her death shroud.
Thanks JWG, but it is assumptive on all our parts that those remains were not slated to be found earlier, given all the activity at the location beginning early August. Also, the truth is we don’t know what “off the record” dialog occurred. I will tell you that issue of “The Globe” is on ebay starting at $10 a bid. Also, we don’t know if that was used as a proffer of sorts for other exclusives or issues. I agree that absent further conversations with the The Globe there is the infinatismal microscopic, atom-sized possibility it is a co ink y dink. But I also believe there WILL be further conversations with the GLOBE toot sweet.
Nice to see you 2 days in a row, sir.
B
The link below shows several photos of Caylee with injuries beneath both of her eyes, at different times, of course. One of the photos seems to depict her with the same mark and wearing a pink shirt. Would this be the same pink t-shirt? Her bangs are shorter in this pic, as well. Just curious. The photo isn’t that good.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/08/pictures-of-caylee/
Lots to digest here, thanks again, Justice!
stepping down from the loft to comment:
that photo yall are talking about of little caylee had to have been of recent as last year because of the size its niether to big or too small . so its right around the time she went missing that the picture was taken correct?
Sorry for the bla bla bla just sort of thinking out loud how I wish all of casey’s trials would move along smoothly & to the conclusion I feel is right, guilty. I’m impatient but no one cares about me, my opinion means nothing to the judicial system, just that I find the pace maddening at times, especially in regards to all charges & upcoming trials against Casey. Time for me to step away from it again, I need another long break starting now. Thanks for not deleting me Blink you are the best & have the most informative & mature website dedicated to crime, especially Caylee Anthony…you’ve treated her & this case with the utmost respect…you’re #1..a class act keep up the good work~!
I would like to scream!!!
sorry silent, you know the rules, deleted the rest.
Now go get some.
B
why was Jose Baez with his smirk present at this depo? he is not representing Cindy&George. this man is really nauseating to me and I wish he would stop making his presence known to the media.I don’t think he had a right to be present at these depos none what so ever.I think he was there for the sole purpose to make sure The Anthonys did not let anything slip,like Cindy almost did.
http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/whattheL/?action=view¤t=cayleebox.jpg
http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/whattheL/?action=view¤t=cayleebox.jpg
Who took these pictures? I’m comparing the Globe photo to pictures #2 and #3. Could these have been taken the very same day? And where?
They are cropped from the same photo Gavi.
B
It looks like Caylee has a BLACKEYE in that photo!
Comment by justice23
trenton ducketts father used that term ..team duckett… and he was a close friend of the anthonys. they were at a thingie that was done recently for him.
any connection?
Just going out on a limb here and asking, could these be cigarette burns?
#172
Justice
” I don’t know the exact website, but IIRC, the name of the group was called, “Team Caylee”
Thanks. You are FULL of info today! Either that post wasn’t up earlier, or I missed it, it was moving fast. Blink probably has motion sickness, lol .
I think Richard Grund hired a PI to find a connection of that effort to the Anthonys. I wonder if that was true or confirmed.
#206_ According to Blink , you and Kleat will be involved in intrigue to uncover more…hmm, good luck. Can I dub you “TheBlinx”…sounds undercover.
lol, software capability issue only-
B
Blink - #218:
Why would you think the remains were, possibly, slated to be found earlier?
I’m not following.
If they were found earlier, by a tip off within the Anthony clan - NO ONE would have come forward with the discovery, she would have been disposed of earlier - and would have never been found to the public.
So - they only other route I can think of (that you may be heading) - is that Casey wanted her remains found - with the shirt on. Is this what you are thinking?
I cannot IMAGINE Casey would EVER want those remains found. She wanted her daughter gone…and her freedom in TACT.
I’m confused.
Can you explain further?
Thank you much.
Found when she was in the klink, so they could say it was not her.
B
Blink, I wonder if the “iron on letters” and the “shirt collar” that was found with the remains match that in the photo. Perhaps “only” a pink shirt collar and letters were thrown in the bag to point a finger at whomever took that photo.
I’m going back to listen to Tony Lazarro’s interviews again.
#201: Sal! loved the link, many thanks….anybody notice just how “natural” Cindy and George look “behind” bars? (okay, the vollyball net but the look is similiar!). Anyhow, it’s interesting that the “family” managed to reconnect and relax….on the week into the weekend of the 48 hour program; bet they needed another cruise after the waves of backlash!
Blink: Question:
I am assuming you have a very proficient running log of everything going on. When the trial starts and either team is debating ( defense vs. SA) and you see something that is being left out or overlooked or have something major to add, will you or can you notify anyone at the SA office and point it out so it doesn’t slip on by?
I expect the SA to be completely ready for trial, if it actually goes to trial. I am not sure if you have had the opportunity to watch Linda and her team, but Linda especially is flawless and cool as a cucumber.
B
Seven-year-old Florida girl vanishes walking home from school! Help find Somer Thompson! <—- from Nancy Grace site
What is it about Florida and children going missing in this state? It’s almost becoming an epidemic!
In your opinions, do you all think that Casey sold that photo to the Globe for the SOLE purpose of financial means, or was it more, possibly as a “taunt”, basically saying, “here it is, I outsmarted you, now come and get me if you can”?
Casey and the Globe Photo
I know we have been focusing on little Caylee in the photo,
but I think it it important to look at the Mom. I don’t mean to start any wild speculation here, but I am observing what looks like bruise marks on the Mom’s neck/throat. Her left eye, which is partially closed, looks swollen.
JMO, this photo was taken in June 2008, after an altercation with a family member, but just before the death of little Caylee. Both hairstyles and lengths are consistent with that time.
#186, WestSide: Thanks so much for the page no! I’ve not had the time (or stamina) to dig into Lee’s deposition. I’ve gotten halfway through Cindy’s. Reading their testimony is not for the faint of heart.
Thanks again, West, & for your explanation about Amy at first being soft on the stolen checks. I always enjoy your astute posts, West.
~Marcy.
re: $14,000 mentioned in CA’s transcript pg 412: I believe this was the amount mentioned in a very early interview that KC had said to … Amy? …Tony? somebody? that she had that amount - $14,000 - in a bank account, savings account, to put as a down-payment on a house.
(part of her very extensive lie about the possibility of moving, buying, etc.)
Sorry just rambling here, maybe someone else remembers.
Also: even if the photo above was taken by Ricardo Morales, it is possible that it was taken on KC’s camera.
#191, Justice: Thank you for giving me your LE friend’s opinion on Casey’s case. What Cindy & others seem to forget when they cry that Casey is being railroaded & LE had their sights on her from the very beginning is that LE has frequently dealt with mothers who commit filicide. None of the detectives involved in investigating the disappearance/death of little Caylee was inexperienced. They probably knew within 2 minutes of speaking with Casey that she killed her own daughter.
Detectives also are exceptionally keen in observing suspects during interviews. In other words, the body language can be just as important as the words spoken. Detective Melich & the others must have had their radar jumping off the charts when they first spoke to Casey!
~m
This is OT, but in the http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21353061/detail.html
picture 2, George has a huge mark on his left shoulder that looks very much like a tatoo. He said in his depo that he wasn’t a tatoo guy and in earlier photos, such as #14 in http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos
there is no such mark. Could someone with younger eyes take a look and let me know what you think? Thanks.
#227_Marcy
Only my opinion, you may come away with something different.
But he definitely begins to utter “check”, and switches gears, you’ll see. And you’re welcome.
Another brilliant [ha!] thought that just flew into my mind: In Cindy’s depo, she is asked if she’d had Dominic Casey dig around to verify Casey’s claims of working. Cindy responded that she had not asked Dom to do so.
Wouldn’t you want to address that right away if you hired a PI? Then you could shove it in the detectives’ faces, saying “See, Casey was too working. Now leave my precious daughter alone.”
My guess is Cindy would never want any PI poking around into Casey’s life. She would be afraid what might be found.
Waddya think?
Comment by Gina — October 20, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
I so agree with you.
Blink - I really like this site, as well as Marinade Dave’s. Really fantastic! I’m a lurker, and enjoying the deep, smart, and sometimes witty repartee amongst you all, so maybe my request/comment is rather cheeky. Not a criticism at all, but rather a meek request: Could you be a little more precise with your comments? Or, are you answering cryptically as some sort of schtick to keep us guessing? ** Ugh! I hate to ask this question, it seems so ungrateful, but please don’t take it that way! Thanks!
Thanks Libby, most times it is purposefull. I am all about the brilliance of the posters here that let me hang out with them and developing the dialog to “point B”. Also, in fairness, I am a stickler about folks not reading aticles and comments and asking questions out of respect for some of the diligence given by the posters here.
No schtick, but your astute that sometimes I give only what I can, and others I am appreciating the minds and skills of others.
B
Blink and blinksters,
Once again, I cannot contribute anything from a crime solving standpoint like many of you can and do so willingly. All of my background is educational from elementary principal, to college professor to administrator of education at a psychiatric day treatment center. It is so hard though to read and read and not post in complete and utter frustration at the antics of this family. On and on it is so totally unbelievable the way they posture themselves like the rest of the universe is obliviously stupid. All that to say…if one knows anything about liars of any type they usually overtell, say too much, if you will. I think we can all agree that each of the players in this real life drama do exactly that…over and over. Guilty, guilty, guilty of all charges imo beyond any shred of doubt. All of you wonderful minds in Blinkland, please practice some deep breathing exercises as you continue to skillfully and relentlessly pursue justice for Caylee. There are many of us out here that appreciate your efforts and hard work.
Your support IS contribution gigi, and thank you for your commitment to education.
B
How do the Anthonys sleep at night??? How can George and Cindy look at each other in the EYE. NOTHING I mean NOTHING is real to them anymore. Maybe they are reaching for the insanity plea when it comes time for them to face the music. That is all I am going to say.
I just logged back on to Blink and have lot of reading to do, again.
Thanks for the reply Blink. I am an avid, almost compulsive reader, so believe me, I’m plowing through every bit of the documents as they are made public. As a writer, maybe I’m too anal about clarity and precision. I’ll take a chill pill and continue to love your site! Thanks!
Well I hope then you are cutting me slack on the difference between a piece I write, and the follow up comments. If there is something incomprehensive in a piece, I welcome the feedback.
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Oh one more thing - so basically Blink, I get that you’re not responding in riddles like someone else we all know! (hint: in jail, in Orlando, getting fatter, etc.) LOL!
Regarding the mark on George’s shoulder, it looks like a bruise to me.
Sal, I think it may be a tat- where’s he getting the peck bruise like that?
I think he has recovered from the Henkel 500, where he placed first in the precision duct tape placement on a circular surface category. ( YOU KNEW IT.. Say like Will Ferrell in Old School)
B
A couple things come to my mind? after reading all the posts so far.
I just looked at the picture again and the question that just popped up in my head again is this?
Casey making the remark to Tracy that “they can’t even get the timeline right?”
Oh and it would be REALLY nice if the ones posting remarks about others and other blog sites. Please try to keep it to minimum as I had to read a bunch of stuff I just didnt have the time for tonite and that is WHY I come here.
Blink
I could have sworn the noon-time link for the Cover Awards contained a fairly hi-res image, really good for enlarging. Tonight, however, it gets super-pixelated very quickly. Earlier today I enlarged it and it kept its detail. Have I gone nuts? Cause there is no other link for an upright cover image on your site.
Well NancyS - I will take direction from Blink about what to - and not to post - thanks very much.
I agree that was ill worded from Nancy, but I dont think she meant it that way and I dont think it was worded at anyone in particular. I am thinking if her first chance to pop in here yielded this info, and all these posts, it is the equivalent of me going wtf happened, I was only gone for a second.
Right Nancy?
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Love it, Blink. But I just don’t know how much more I can take….George Hamilton tan, loafers with no socks and shorts in court, a little bling in only one ear (I thought that was out of style and that even guys were gettin them in both ears now days.)….now a big ol whoppin tat on his chest…..Say it ain’t so, next thing you know that PT Cruiser will have spinners on it.
By the way, I wonder what Casey thinks about them cruisin around the open seas while she’s stuck in jail with very little treat money. Oh I say, just for fun we mail her the cruise pics. Nevermind the fact, they only dished her $50 bucks before cruisin off into the sunset and alot of that was used immediately because she was in the red.
Hmmm…..might be worth going to Target (since it is Casey’s favorite spot) and getting some 8 x 10s printed out of the cruise pictures so she can hang them up in her cell. You think they would let her keep 11 x 17s or would that be too much?
Does she have a window? Maybe you could borrow the Milscams mobile billboard and park it in front and do, say, a collage?
Looks like Dominic Casey is out of the pic these days and they are safer than safe to travel I noticed.
Gigi, I so have to tell you how grateful I am for you, as well as to say to you, “Are you kidding me, girl?” Elemenary principal to Administrator of education at a psychiatric day treatment center? Your credentials make so many of ours (with all due respect dearests) look like tissue paper, and I can’t imagine how much greater your wisdom must be, comparitively speaking! I am, as I am sure so many are, most honored to have you among us! Shoot, as lame brained as I so often am, I’m priviledeged to be counted among all of these who are so much more knowledgeable and capable than I could ever hope to be! But that’s one of the things I so love about all of them — they teach me so much on a daily basis.
Besides all of that, and having meant every word, I’m not so unlike you. Aside from work, I have a disabled child whom I pulled out of the public school system and have since been hard pressed to teach him to read and to write, and to speak in complete sentences (Complete AVSD/DownSyndrome/Autistic)and the effort has paid off well; but that means I don’t have time to read or to watch or to research even half of all that there is, but that just makes me appreciate all who pour so much into it who help me then to catch up and keep up, as I keep on keeping on, hoping and praying for justice for Caylee and every child like her. And so at the end of the day Gigi, take a deep breath, kick your feet up, drink in all of the knowledge, insight, dedication and compassion that you will find here, and thank God and Blink for it all, even as I know that Blink is thankful for you.
Gavi
Granmomma, like Blink said– I was doing the same as you– taking a comment from someone else. My bad, and that person may have done the same and so on. If someone took exception over on MarinadeDave’s site, it was obviously their own misinterpretation and whatever, I see that now. It wasn’t anyone on here–
In fact, I’m going to read more over on MD’s site now– join me!!
Blink, I’m tending towards bruise, with injury in the center area, but DON”T quote me!!! Could be that there’s make up on it!!! lol!! (just kidding– really– and I’m not even going to comment on the white dot)
Ragdoll, it is an epidemic. Has me thinking about moving to the Rockies.
Blink, ‘bin’ looking, nothing yet. Am sure you have the right addy
included on your post but not shown, yes, sent hours ago
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the pictures of the anthony’s on the cruise left my jaw on the ground..
Ummmm …. okay, a tattoo. And isn’t that an earring in his ear, or am I simply halucinating? And, Awwww, come on Kleat, it’s an earring, right?
#257
I live near the Rockies Gavi! It is much safer but the threat of abduction still feels real. Still, it concerns me that Florida seems to be a haven for children to go missing. How can this be? xo
Snark alert… please delete this if you must Blink! I’ll understand.
Two-piece bathing suits (dare I say bikinis?) should only be worn by women with good bodies. Others looks really really bad in them. I’m saying this as someone who was thin for most of my life — until I turned 50. Not so much any more! That’s all I’m saying.
ok Chicago, I am ducking on that one, you can take care of yourself though-
I live close to the Jersey shoreline. There is no such thing as only women with good bodies wear bikinis, or nobody owns mirrors in their home, dunno.
I have a 10 year old Blink Jr.
He would prefer I wear a potato sack with a blanket on top wrapped in a sleeping bag- what does that mean?
Thanks for the escapism and laugh, much needed.
B
Gavi - you have a lot on your plate. Great comments from you today in my opinion!
Re: 176. Orange county LE, had this to say about this case
he is not involved with this case, however I asked this question
to him. What do you think of the Casey Anthony case, Do you think
she did it. His response was, What mother goes into a store and
not buy a single thing for their kid, especially if its not their
money they are spending. Not one single thing. She did it and they
know she did it.
Kleat, it wan’t my own interpretation. Please re-read what momma says throughout the dya regarding Marinade Daves site and the blogger there. Blink, you seem to have a double standard. You chastized me for some ver mild remarks to granmomma, but she does worse and you say nothing. What’s up with that?
She apologized, several times, let’s move on. I would not categorize that as chastize, btw. Regardless, sometimes, I miss things, I take my thumps as everyone else.
Blink is instituting clean slate day, k?
B
I really do know how to spell!
Sorry NancyS & Blink - and to think I’ve been trying to be the peacemaker today - all day! Glad you guys changed your minds on MarinadeD. He’s a good guy too.
I cannot figure out the spot or the injuries on Caylee’s face - all of my boys had their share of EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN but I don’t recall a spot like that. Especially twice in the same general area on each side. Could it be dermatitis or a skin disorder? It kinda looks like a burn - but I really don’t think that would be a plausible scenario.
Ivoire-
I think you may be confused. Blink was not saying that a cropped picture of Caylee was found with the remains. Rather that the shirt shown in the cropped photo is the shirt believed to be found with the remains.
Also, some posters were speculating that the picture was taken directly before Caylee’s demise, which led some to some to further speculate that the picture taker was involved. (Blink was not among those speculating this.) And now that the full picture has been once again come to light, I think most have abandoned the idea that this picture was taken the day Caylee was killed.
So I don’t believe anyone is indicating that the person taking the picture (whoever that may be) is involved in murder.
And lastly, the prosecution has previously stated that Casey put that shirt on Caylee with purpose. It is not so far fetched that this photo was also released with purpose.
Hope that clears up any confusion.
question….why is LE showing this photo cropped? did they not have the full one or are they specifically asking her family about that picture, but showing it cropped for a reason??
I think there is something even more to this photo than just the Big Trouble tshirt and the timing of its appearance in the Globe.
But the million dollar question is…what?
So. Do you suppose the Anthonys are on their way to Orange Park? Will they be hauling their boat along behind them?
ok IF the SA is of the mindset that the some misguided person released this photo to the Globe which became public in October in an attempt to make it appear as if someone other than casey killed caylee then IMO it is an unfortunate strategy on the part of the defense. It is not good for the jury to see that photo of a live caylee then hear the details of caylee’s autopsy right down to what
was found with her body. Very Unfortunate. especially since that photo also includes casey.
Congratulations, Blink! This site is simply the best. You do treat us all with great respect whether our opinions are the same or not.
Grandmomma, DM is a HUGE Anthony fan and he and his small band of followers are very mean to people that do not agree with him.
As far as judges wanting to meet bloggers, I’m not surprised. I have found that anyone I’ve contacted has personally responded, and I’ve emailed the biggest names attached to this case (only those on the State’s side, never any of the defense ~ I wouldn’t waste my time). I’m not going to name names but they are very aware of all the bloggers following the case and are eager for feedback from us. Every single person I’ve “spoken” with was an absolute delight and encouraged me to continue the feedback. I’m sure those of you who have contacted some of the players in this case will have the same positive experiences I had.
Bees- please review earlier post from Marinade Dave and my response. I cant speak to your experience, but let’s be open shall we?
I agree on the blog reception. When this case comes to conclusion, I have a study that is the sociology experiment I wished I read beforehand.
B
I guess I dont understand for what purpose Anyone would have had to put that photo out there all things considered’ it is very unfortunate to see that photo of a smiling caylee knowing NOW how she ended up. I just dont get it
Right now, I’d give a lot to know WHO provided that picture to the Globe. I just cannot imagine the defense having something to do with this. What does it take to get a retrial based on inadequate defense? Isn’t Casey already sitting in a pretty good position for this anyway based upon the lack of experience of Baez - or does the fact that she waived all of that and chose to stay with him preclude that already?
ivorie ,i ve long maintained the question could casey be so stupid to think it was smart to frame herself as an alibi,especially when she couldve used that creative,lyin to play accident and get away with it.
#240 georgiamom
I hesitate to write this because of my tending to see things in pics that turn out not to be there but… I too remember reading George is not a tattoo kind of guy. Well I think he has since changed his mind because not only does it look like he has a tat, but his wife looks to be sporting one too- on her midsection in the shape of a sun. Is it a bruise? Maybe they were on rough seas. Are they protecting the indian ink from the sun with make-up? I just don’t know.
comment #253 Sal
As much as the whole family it seems has tried not to upset Casey her whole life almost walking on eggshells MOO Why are they now doing things like going on a family cruise when it is sure to hurt Casey and it makes them look bad to the public not to mention totally uncaring.
#273,answer,yes,she is that stupid to think her lies are that smart.
I’m stumped on the reasoning for adding the shorts later, but I have a few thoughts on the reasoning for the shirt and subsequent release of this particular photo to the globe.
I think we must think about the mindset of Casey at the time of the murder - “maybe its because I’m a spiteful b*tch” - glares at me. If she was enraged at her family at the time, then seeing the shirt in one of the last photos (if that was indeed one of the last photos) would send a message loud and clear. I really don’t think the family ever saw the actual shirt prior to seeing it in the photo, for very good reason - to shock them with the circumstances in which she was wearing it. And just to make sure they saw it, release it to the Globe through her “agent”, and make some money on it to boot - and Casey feels like she has the upper hand yet again.
I was trying to remember when LA took the box of articles out of the Anthony’s attic I searched to no avail. Does any one remember if that search warrant was before this article or after little Caylee was found? Maybe the State has caught the Anthony’s in another lie- And if this photo is as old as January then I find it extremely hard to believe Cindy George and Lee have never seen their beloved Granddaughter wearing this shirt or this pic for that matter. Why all the lies regarding this shirt? They had to know a long time ago,Right? Everyday I think I can’t get more saddened by this case only to be proven wrong. I don’t know if I’ll be able to handle the whole truth. Poor little Caylee
274 susan m…If casey was behind the decision to sell that photo….well, that’s mind numbing. If someone else was behind it@ Same.!!!
libbyann #244 - I know exactly how you feel!
On the one hand - I love that Blink takes us along the discovery but requires us to use up a few brain cells along the way. Part of what I learned the hard way - is new folks really need to read all of the past articles and comments because often times very smart commenters have studied a particular subject at length. So its only fair to Blink and the experts since they’ve invested so much time and energy to really study the issues and educate us that we not ask them to go back to the beginning of the book - so to speak. I still go back and reference long ago articles and comments for reference. Its invaluable. But that shouldn’t stop anyone from asking questions because most likely someone can point you to the right general area to find the answer.
On the other hand - I don’t always ‘get it’ when Blink is cryptic. And then I drive myself crazy either waiting for someone else to be brave and ask Blink - or I think about it constantly until it finally dawns on me and I get that ‘duh’ moment.
This is what keeps me coming back. That and folks here are funny, caring and SMART.
Very well said. I would just add I respect the contributions of everyone on here, regardless of “smarts” levels, and if someone takes the time to contribute, I do appreciate others taking the time read their posts as best they can
B
Interesting. Very, very interesting;)
One thing is clear: Casey took a photo or photos from the house after she was released from jail, and that is “ZIP IT” material to the defense.
GOOD LORD.
M O R O N. (at least he is true to himself).
*****
I know the depositions were the topic of the last story, but I have been busy/just skimming them now.
As Judge Strickland might point out:
**The TRUTH and the ANTHONY FAMILY are STRANGERS**
*****
I had to go back and look at Cindy’s FBI interview. (I need to go back and look at George’s as well).
Here are a few gems in the meantime:
“The other thing is, why would you run out of gas and not just have someone just buy you a gallon of gas or two of gas until you can get to a gas station and fill up. It doesn’t make sense. So, I’m not sure why she would abandon the car. Especially if the car HAD ALL THIS EVIDENCE THAT’S GONNA LINK HER TO CAYLEE’S DEATH IN IT.” pp.56-57
HUH,CINDY?? I thought you believed Caylee wasn’t DEAD at the time you spoke to the FBI. I thought you believed there was only a rotting PIZZA in the trunk of the Pontiac. I thought you didn’t think there was ANY EVIDENCE of Caylee’s DEATH last summer. I thought you wanted people to keep looking for her. (Like you want people to believe she is not dead NOW, because you, personally, refuse to look at the hard evidence showing that your grandchild’s remains–and no one else’s–were recovered around the corner from your house, where you and your children rode bicycles when they were growing up).
Clearly, Cindy, you already knew that Caylee was DEAD, and already knew/understood that there was EVIDENCE OF CAYLEE’S DEATH IN THE PONTIAC, LINKING CAYLEE’S DEATH to Casey.
That, dear friends, is AN UNINTENDED ADMISSION. And a HUGE one, at that. (I have said all along that CA and GA KNEW that Caylee was dead as soon as they got near that car). (I almost PUKED when I saw that she testified at the deposition that she went into the house and ATE LUNCH before going back to work on July 15, 2008, after just having been in the garage for several minutes with that Pontiac stinking up the entire space with Caylee’s DECOMP. Are you kidding me?? That is… just… BEYOND disgusting)
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Here is yet another winner:
“When we got on site [at Johnson's] THE GUY SAYS, ‘Listen, BEFORE YOU COME TO THE CAR’…my… they WARNED MY HUSBAND, ‘IT STINKS. AND IT’S BEEN PROGRESSIVELY SMELLING WORSE.’ HE SAID, ‘YOU KNOW, IT’S BEEN PROGRESSIVELY SMELLING WORSE SINCE IT’S BEEN HERE. UM, HE SAID IT DIDN’T SMELL GREAT WHEN THEY PICKED IT UP.’”
Got that?????? They WARNED GEORGE–BEFORE they even took him to the car on the lot– that it has SMELLED SINCE IT HAD BEEN THERE AT JOHNSON’S– AND TOLD HIM IT SMELLED AT AMSCOT–WHEN THEY PICKED IT UP. (does that jive with what Cindy Anthony tells the media, the State?? Hell to the NO.) (And if it was stinking on that lot, OUTSIDE… How the F did she go into the house and EAT LUNCH. Yahhh.. She didn’t. If she did anything, she PUKED. There is no way in Hades that this woman ATE LUNCH after smelling that vehicle. Either that was just another big, fat LIE… or she is a total MONSTER.)
*****
At one point, she almost COULD NOT SHUT UP about wanting to inflict PHYSICAL HARM on CASEY… ABOUT (wanting to) SHAKE HER PHYSICALLY.. about how she was afraid that if she started to shake her, she might not stop… and on and on about it (see pp. 65-66 for some pretty bizarre comments out of Cindy’s own mouth) (Ummmm.. if she believed Casey was a “victim”, how come she wanted to MURDER her? Yahhh.)
*****
DARK, DARK SECRETS in that house. Lie-telling is nothing new there. Major sickness abounds. I mean, Lee… with all that totally inappropriate laughter– STILL.
*****
This family has been in LIE-TELLING MODE since the VERY FIRST NIGHT. I believe the lies began BEFORE Cindy called 9-1-1 the last time. I think they sat there and tried to figure out a way to get out of this mess, and they had to come up with the Jay Blanchard park story when the Sawgrass story didn’t work out so well.
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One of my favorite portions of the transcript is when the FBI Agent interrupts Cindy’s utter nonsense and says:
“I’LL TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT UP FRONT, CINDY. SHE…SHE’S STILL NOT… SHE… IF SHE HAD TIME TO GO TO WORK, IF SHE HAD TIME TO SEE FRIENDS…
[Cindy interrupts "But I don't think she was working during this time"-- LOF-INGL]…
He continues:
“I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WERE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS PERIOD OF TIME, WHERE HER TIME WAS COMPLETELY OCCUPIED…..
IS THAT WHAT WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE??”
[Cindy interrupts with nonsense]
FBI agent continues: BUT NOW SHE’S TELLING YOU FROM.. FROM WHERE SHE’S….THE CONVERSATION SHE HAS NOW, ‘THINK BACK MOM WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU, I WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU CLUES’….
[Cindy interrupts]…
“DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE NOW THAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY IN A POSITION WHERE SHE HAD NO CONTACT WITH ANYONE EXCEPT BY PHONE? THEY WOULD NOT LET HER TALK ON THE PHONE AS MUCH AS SHE WANTED?”
[Cindy pretends that this is not an EXCELLENT point: "I don't know. I could not elaborate." Ha. All she does is ELABORATE and LIE-TELL when it suits her aim.]
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POLYGRAPH- FBI agent asks Cindy if she is willing to take a poly about all she told him during this interview–and she says, “Absolutely.” p.227
Well…. apparently she LIED about that as well.
And she launches right into — IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ACCIDENT BY THE POOL/INVOLVING THE USE OF THE POOL.
Hmmmm…If Caylee was still ALIVE… why would she need to SUGGEST that some sort of “ACCIDENT” caused Caylee’s UNTIMELY DEATH? pp.227-228
*****
So…
Let me get this defense diagram straight.
A) Caylee is NOT DEAD. They cremated someone else’s baby’s remains. And that’s, ya know… NORMAL. (cue Lee’s inappropriate laughter here).
B) Caylee is NOT DEAD, BUT… IF she IS, then some STRANGER did it.
C) Forget B. Caylee is NOT DEAD, BUT… IF she IS, then some KNOWN person (Amy, Jesse, Tony, Ricardo, blahblahblah) did it.
D) Wait. Forget B and C. Caylee is NOT DEAD, BUT… IF she IS, and it can be definitely linked to the last person to be with her while she was alive (ahem, Casey– OR Casey and George), then.. it was an ACCIDENT involving the pool and the ladder somehow.
E) We take back D,–and the other stuff– because it was a STRANGER who stole Caylee through the back yard.
F) We might take back D and E, because it was actually some KNOWN PERSON (Amy, Jesse, Tony, Ricardo, blahblahblah) who stole Caylee through the back yard.
G) We take back all of the above, except for A, because Caylee is alive and living in California.. or New York… or Puerto Rico… or Georgia… or Miami.. or North Carolina.. or Texas…
H) We’re still investigating, and we’ll let you know. HERO of the STUPID, Dominic Casey, is hot on the case and is reporting back to us, oh.. ya know.. on a BAT PHONE.
B A T P H O N E S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK– If they are going with BAT PHONES, then I am going with the RIDDLER (insert photo of Casey here), in the TRUNK of the PONTIAC, with the CHLOROFORM and the RARE DUCT TAPE.
Silver,
thank you for the am brain exercise and simultaneous giggle snort.
I am not sure I have ever asked you this, if you have time and your comfortable doing so, if you were defending Casey, with the knowledge you have of the evidence, what defense would you mount, if any?
B
Blink! LMAO at your #273, I am so tired but had to laugh as I too was thinking that myself today!
Wouldn’t it be a good subject to write on? hehe
The internet blogging is VERY hard to get through at times!
Focus~keep focus….
I sure hope that this photo is ANOTHER NAIL! (keeping fingers crossed)
Thanks for the information Blink. Had to change my name a little because there’s lots of nancys on your site.lol This photo of Caylee and KC does look cropped. The picture of KC looks like one that was taken when she was partying at Fusion hugging Tony Lazarro. The clothes in that picture kinda looks like she’s wearing the infamous blue dress when she was partying at Fusion. I have not had a chance to read Lee Anthony’s depo but I do believe that picture of Caylee is significant. When I see that pink t-shirt on Caylee sends chills. It is so sad that Caylee had to go through such a terrible death at the hands of her mother. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!
Thank you for always being courteous and fair on your blog because I too like Bees have experienced horrible name calling on other blogs when you do not agree with their opinions. Thanks for making this a safe place to blog! Again thank you!
I just want to post an observation here: in depos, I noticed the extreme “obsessive/compulsiveness” of CA and GA - Cindy describes every item in garage having a purpose and being organized, all of their many routines for this and for that, for storage (!), for sorting, systems for doing the laundry in an orderly fashion, and even pet carriers neatly packaged in plastic to protect them from dust, etc…. and George insists over and over, every time the subject of the duct tape on the gas can is referenced, he insists no he did not put it on in that slipshod manner, no, no, couldn’t be him, no way, he does it perfectly every time, cutting it exactly to size, etc. And we already know how he cleans the cars all the time and even washes the cars of visitors.
I cannot exactly express what I am thinking right now, but I am trying to imagine what it would be like to live in that house. Take a look at my garage and you will know what I mean, .. and I do not consider myself disorderly. But we know that KC was not neat. Yet, she carefully packages little Caylee, SMALL PACKAGE, with heart on tape, in 2 plastic bags then one canvas one, pulls the string, tosses it away. Sorry, but hmmm.
Wow! I’m impressed, amazed, and flabbergasted by the investigative capabilities and cooperation among this group. From possibly seeing car lights, a spare tire, a buckle,and the Mar’s face (just kidding)in an unidentified photo of Caylee, that may have been but hopefully wasn’t, taken inside the trunk of Casey’s car, to the discovery (by Justice 23)of a photograph of Caylee, wearing the Big Trouble t-shirt, reaching toward the camera while in the arms of the accused murderer, Casey, in what seems to be a very public place, on the front page of the 2008 October edition of the Globe Newspaper is mind boggling incredibly awesome. Great work super sleuths! You should be humbly proud, Blink, of the impact your professional and personal character has upon your followers.
If I understand correctly the current mindset is that this photo was sold to the Globe, prior to the discovery of Caylee’s remains, by an individual(s) who was/where privy to the details of Caylee’s demise. How incredibly sad and explotive. The photo itself is not as much an indicataion of premeditation as the motivation for selling the photo because it suggests planning, planting, and distributing deceptive evidence. What a waste of a beautiful little life.
As a former social worker, criminal justice major, and a current seminary counseling grad student I have maintained a professional distance, studying facts, suppositions, and behavior along with motive, means, and opportunity. In the last 24 hours it has become increasingly difficult to maintain this stance. I think perhaps this is because of my recent viewing of Caylee’s photos as a happy little girl.
The senselessness of this crime and the behavior of the “players” is appalling.There is no doubt that Caylee most likely suffered at the hands of her murderer. This saddens me greatly. “Justice for Caylee.” Shalom . . .
Sharai-
What an empassioned post. Thank you. I am very, very, albeit humbly proud to share some “e” time with the many readers that have been touched as we all have, by little Caylee. You touch on my “reason for being”.
I work so diligently on this case as well as others for justice of course, but more so, because I know ultimately the punishment and karmic response to the injustices that call us to action are decided by a much higher power; I am scared that people will miss the messages for our own life we are supposed to glean from them
B
Whoa, take a day break and Blink, Justice and all the great searchers/thinkers run amok! Thanks for the super detective work! You guys are the best.
I have a few questions:
Wouldn’t the Anthony’s have seen the picture on the Globe cover the week it came out? Or are they just not connecting the cropped pic as shown to them as one from the Globe?
Cindy states that she’d never have purchased the pink message shirt.
Is she also saying she doesn’t recognize the shirt from the picture? The message is not clear from Caylee’s position. If it was a 3T, could it have been a present to Caylee from one of Casey’s friends and kept for her at that friend’s house? No, I don’t mean Nanny Zanny.
Finally, following others sleuthing on the matter,the facts of the gas can episode with Casey on the 24th, as related by George, has changed with prevailing winds. Some have noted that it was important that George neither saw nor smelled anything suspicious in Casey’s trunk on that date.
If it was so important why does George change the story so that sometimes he sees in the trunk and sometimes he doesn’t? The 24th is important somehow in the “timeline”. Just as seeing Casey and Caylee on a “normal type” day on the 16th is important — probably for proving the lack of a motive for Casey to kill Caylee.
What is so important about the 24th in the timeline? Or what alibi does seeing Casey with gas cans give her on that day? All the gas cans stories are blurring and melting in this mind. (Pardon me if it’s been hashed and re-hashed before on Blink’s site. I am rather new to posting here.)
#240 georgiamom, my eyes are really quite tired at this moment however, they were fresh for looking for tatts. I see blue reflection coming off the lounge chair casting a blue shadow on Georges chest. I see the same blue shadow on the bottom of Cindys left foot. I think the lighting was such that oddly it cast these shadows. It looks like Cindy has it on her chest also.
It appears however LE recovered this photograph it was cropped. Someone did not want LE to discover the full photograph and be linked to the Globe cover. Whoever it was, still wanted to keep the picture of Caylee, wouldn’t dare throw away. I smell Cindy or Casey on this one. I understand the other factor as well with JB. Hard to say. Seems LE sure wants to know. I want to know where they got the pic answer will be there. Perhaps I am way off base here and they have no Origional cropped pic?
Thanks Bees….Comment #273. I figured that one out…and it didn’t take me long! LOL
I’m hoping that’s an earbud on george, maybe smaller than lee’s headphones.
#273 Bees Nees
I dont get that Maranaide Dave is an Anthony fan at all. He simply bases his opinions on facts whichever way those facts turn out to be. For example he went over and above to follow up on James Thompson and reported strickly on his opinion of the man and the facts that he found out to be true or not. You decide. Thats how I see him.
Just give me the facts mam.
Isnt that the same Blue dress she was grinding with that other chick at the club when she was supposedly looking for caylee….
justice 23 and kleat, i’ve found that folks DO use the terms zip drive, flash drive, and thumb drive interchangeably—myself included—-and i even own some ancient iomega zip drives with their chubby disks, but i still say zip when i mean flash cuz it’s easy.
AND if that is her pooh blanket, perhaps she was, ugh, disposed of later than they originally thought? That is DEFINITELY THE DRESS!
#850 Amanda
Maybe the family never have seen this photo. Or the only way they saw it was online before it was taken off. (The whole photo that is) I guess it would depend on WHO took it and WHO posted it online originally. We know that at least one instance of this photo was online at one point. But the cropped photo is everywhere, it is hard to miss. I can’t believe that the cropped photo at the very least was not shoved in their face simply by angry protestors. It is also hard to believe that only one person online had the uncropped photo. (Of course we dont know that) I have to even wonder if this is not a doctored photo. Is that Casey holding Caylee or someone else? I would love to see the background in that photo.
Example http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0eyQe1gK8DM/0.jpg
I guess we will find out but not soon enough
1 corrections Suzb- NObody had the uncropped photo. Cropped only. This is the first connection to the Globe and the cropped photo shown to the A’s. The cropped photo had been released in August 09
B
Oh ok I thought I understood that this Signor Bella had the uncropped photo. Or maybe this person did have it but was never posted online. At any rate, now it makes more sense.
As much as I don’t care for (probably most) of the Anthony’s actions in the context of this case, I do feel that it was ugly to stalk and photograph them on a cruise. It is a really big invasion of privacy. And yes, I know, posters will attack me with the argument that they followed and investigated people, etc. Still, two wrongs don’t make a right, and it didn’t serve any other purpose than to harass, instigate, or capitalize financially on the situation. To boot, I’m sure that the photographer(s) weren’t players in the case.
I think that it is one thing to contemplate that they took a cruise vs searching for their ‘unknown perp’, but another to place them in a “fish bowl” (Conway’s terminology), merely for the purpose of mocking them. It begins to drive out my sympathy for them.
Not me, I agree with you. I do think the coverage of them taking the cruise is apt, but not the stalkarazzi images. If they were all buff, people would say how can you take the time to work out when your granddaughter.. you get the idea.
I do however, think these people are teachers in school on a Saturday.. “No class..”
B
I can only imagine what is going on in other blogs and forums, tearing apart their appearances, etc. I’m happy that it is not tolerated here.
I have no idea how this works, so I hope some of our legal eagles will chime in. Is the prosecution (in its arguments) allowed to say things like “She deliberately placed Caylee in this particular shirt before murdering her” —perhaps even embellishing it a bit more to say WHY that particular shirt—even though they are really just speculating about whether she gave one whit of thought to what the kid was wearing, and what it possibly COULD have meant in her own twisted mind? Or do they have to stick to the facts: “The shirt found with Caylee’s remains said ‘big trouble comes in small packages’”? Or would they be allowed to add “You can draw your own conclusions as to what that means,” etc.
My question is, how much rhetoric are they allowed vs straight, provable facts? I am sure they will want to horrify and shock and stir every emotion that will get the jury worked up against the accused, but since alot of this case has some pretty big gaps in terms of solid facts (died when, died where, died how, died why, to name a few) they’ll have to fill in those blanks as we do, with educated guesses and imagination.
And is it only in opening and closing arguments that they are allowed to weave the facts into a plausible tale that—while suggested by the facts, if one connects the dots in a certain way—might or might not be 100% true?
I know that the photo is significant because 1. Caylee is wearing the shirt that was found with her remains, 2. It was sold to the Globe before the remains were found, 3. The state included it as an exhibit in depositions.
I tend to have other thoughts or analysis after a bit of digestion. I am considering a different angle this morning. Isn’t it entirely possible that it was , as I said before, a karma coincidence that this particular image was sold? Someone other than the “A-team”, possibly Kio or Ricardo, could have sold this image not knowing the importance? Couldn’t the state have, (not knowing who sold it), thrown it out there
for shock value to illicit testimony that might open up dialogue about the ’sealed issues’? They do know the propensity of the Anthonys to talk themselves silly in response to a question. It could have been a careful ‘phishing expedition’.
On the flip side, with Casey being tight lipped, and the consummate liar that she is, couldn’t the defense have sold the photo while being completely oblivious to the fact that the remains would be found with the shirt?
These are just some thoughts, and they are not intended to discount anyone else’s thoughts or opinions.
Of course it is possible, can’t deny it-
That said, my money is on purposefull choice of that photo by someone with knowledge. Either way, we will find out. There’s a zero percent chance the State won’t compell that information from the Globe. And they will get it under seal, which will be our first clue.
B
Ok, Sorry Blink, I went back and read lol posts. I misread.
You know it is rather frightening to miss read or miss hear something. Thank God for a multitude of opinions until you can get to the facts.
# 300_suz
“…“She deliberately placed Caylee in this particular shirt before murdering her”
My question is, how much rhetoric are they allowed vs straight, provable facts?”
I have wondered that myself. Maybe there is testimony somewhere that can corroborate this assertion. Other than that, I’m at a loss.
The only thing that comes to mind is that the shirt no longer fit Caylee, so that there would be no reason why or how she could have worn it, and that it was not actually on her, but tossed in with her as a symbolic gesture?
ok, Im going to go ahead and say this, I am changing my opinion on her “wearing” the shirt. I do agree like the shorts, it was not on her.
The collar was intact.
B
#283_Silver
Got that?????? They WARNED GEORGE–BEFORE they even took him to the car on the lot– that it has SMELLED SINCE IT HAD BEEN THERE AT JOHNSON’S– AND TOLD HIM IT SMELLED AT AMSCOT–WHEN THEY PICKED IT UP. (does that jive with what Cindy Anthony tells the media, the State?? Hell to the NO.)
Great points, all of them, and funny as hell! If you don’t want to answer, you don’t have to, but were you ever a prosecutor? If so, you must have been a pistol! Your closing arguments would be strong, and yet entertaining. You would certainly keep the jury awake and keyed in on the absurdities.
Oh my !!!! I do think I’ll have to polish the tarnish off my handle after this thread!!! LOL (sorry couldn’t resist)
How is everyone?? Had to jump in on this.
Silver!!!!!! I enjoy reading everyone’s thoughts, but ……I gotta admit …..really was waiting for your 2 cents on this one…………so now that the A’s credibility is ZERO….I suppose the prosecution just has to watch how they tread with the sympathy factor (and ssem to be doing well so far). Did you read how Lee blew out Cindy (and George) in his depo? The sticky note with ZG’s name and address among a gazzillion other contradictions???? Not to mention her claim of non knowledge / involvement of D. Casey’s search in the woods. Oh my!! The A’s input has all been wiped off the slate me thinks.
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But Silver…….what about the 3rd person partial DNA on the duct tape??????? Thankfully the FBI can’t exclude one of their own…..but bejezzus……the defense is going to run with that one ….no?? It’s the strongest thing they’ve got to date….at least IMHO. And it’s the only glitch so far I could see that might just get Casey off the hook (from my layman view of course). How damaging is that going to be do you think???? Inquiring riddling minds are dying to know!!! Thanks and best to all.
(Hope you are well Blink)
R
#299 Westside
You Said:
“I can only imagine what is going on in other blogs and forums, tearing apart their appearances, etc. I’m happy that it is not tolerated here”
I know I have read some of these peoples post. There are some really crazy and disturbed people out there. The kind that shoot first and ask questions later. They simply believe what they choose to believe and could care less about the facts. They dont even want to hear any facts or even try to get to the truth. Some posts are quite frightening. There is no use in talking to some of these people. You cannot reason with them.
#294 Casey’s top in the photograph is NOT the blue dress she wore to Fusion. The sleeves are much longer in the Globe photo. The Fusion photo is kind of a capped sleeve. Is it possible that this particular photo was one of the photos Casey deleted before July 15, 2008?
Thats what I think, personally. I dont believe it is the blue dress.
B
Is it correct? LE found “Big Trouble Comes Small” not “Big Trouble Come in Small Packages”
The reason once again that this site is soooooo great…..Investigative Blogging…not so much just shooting the sh&t. Smart people here. I was waiting on Silver to dig into the depos and send us a life preserver…..AND a chuckle! Thanks, see I laugh at some of the commentors here too! No harm done!
Blink are you Linda DB? You are always just as cool as a cucumber. That’s what I like soooo much about the prosecution in this case. My personality is more like Mr. Ashton. I’d like to tell the defense how stupid they all look, cursing after each breath. AND, Silver’s personality seems like my mom’s….bet she could tell you off in a BIG way in a NY minute and never say one ugly word. Now, those people really are VERY SCARCE.
Sittin back, observing and packing my BAT PHONE! Hoping not to be needing it today but you just never know.
nancy2410lmh:
“The clothes in that picture kinda looks like she’s wearing the infamous blue dress when she was partying at Fusion.”
nancy2410lmh good morning
Yes, yes, yes, You’re so right. Great going.
She was photographed on June 13 (and I think June 20 also) at the nightclub by Fusion photographers wearing that dress.
TL’’s roommate Roy Clint H. said he saw both Casey and Caylee on June 13
at Fusion.
The boots she was wearing look similar to the boots Cindy found in the backseat of the car, as pictured at the end of her State deposition.
nancy2410lmh, kudos to you
#280 Sigh, yet again. Question: Why ALL of the COUNTLESS lies, ALL of the time, and from the very early beginning when George, in his testimony to OSO recounted that HE, upon getting into the vehicle at Amscot could not bear the smell and so HE got out of the car and asked the attendant to ASSIST HIM in opening the car’s trunk to see what it might contain (a dead body), but according to — what was his name? Birch? Burch? Regardless, in Birch’s statements to OSO Birch said that the odor was so disturbing that HE (Birch) asked George for the keys and HE, Birch, opened the trunk, found the bag (which wasn’t so transparent by the way, and which hardly weighed anything but which did contain flies (I don’t recall if he also said there were maggots), and thereafter Birch proceeded to toss the bag over the fence. So the lies began at the onset. At the onset the Anthony’s suspected their grandchild was dead, and began conspiring prior to even leaving the Amscot parking lot.
As for who sold the picture of Caylee in “the shirt” to the Globe? Would it be so surprising to learn it was George and Cindy, if through a third party, in order to so immediately drum up funds for some sort of legal assistance. This, I believe fits the scenario. They knew Caylee was deceased, from the evidences they dealt with regarding the car. They had no money. We all know that. They sold this particular photo to the Globe hoping that the little pink shirt would not be traced back to the house, or to them, because “Caylee had no shirts with such lettering on them.” And, no one had ever seen such a shirt! It was the only one of its kind and so the chances of it being traced back to them were lessened. For all anyone knew, someone else could have given her that shirt. They never saw it. Though they well sold it. They never expected that Casey would have disposed of her daughter in that shirt. That’s my take on it, subject to change at any moment, of course.
G’day.
Gavi
This morning doesn’t start off any better with that incredible comment from Silver and Blink changing her mind.
Silver thanks for reducing some of the cobwebs that form in my brain and keeping it real. Your points really struck home for me.
ada and Blink, good morning
The blue dress in the Fusion pics has sleeves that are “gathered”
across the shoulder seam areas. The Globe cover has the sleeves ungathered. Coul dbe this dress is one of those with a “drawstring” casing sewn into the shoulder where the sleeve length can be adjusted.
JMO.
OOPS, sorry Silvrspnr, didn’t read your post before I posted. As I recall, Birch, or Burch, whichever, went into great detail about the smell of the car, likening it to a previous automobile that had been towed in and contained the rotting body of a man who’d committed suicide. He said that the stench of the Anthony vehicle was the same, though not as strong. That’s not surprising. The stench of a an adult’s decomposing body might be a good deal stronger than that of a child.
Most Respectfully,
Gavi.
That is definitely not the blue dress from fushion.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/SNq62ssxoNI/AAAAAAAACOA/AlySYRotzwA/s400/caseyanthony3.jpg
Holy What the Wow.
#304 Blink - If it’s the case that the shirt arrived at the scene later like the shorts and the theory that the photo was deliberately selected and negotiated for Globe publication is true, it gives me chills. This would have had to have been contrived as early as August. It seems even more heinous to me now. Although Westside, I’m still not very clear that the shirt was too small. Marked 3T, and if none of the Anthony’s ever saw it as they claim, how do we know this to be true? I will say for some unknown reason, this cropped photo of Caylee has always bothered me and I never knew why. When I studied the cropped photo the other day, the main thing I found disturbing about it is that Caylee’s pupils appear to be extremely dilated. Very unusually so.
#283 Silver - Love your posts. And agree completely with your thoughts and analysis. I believe they knew on 7/15 this baby was gone. The actions of the family from that day forward have been deceptive. I don’t know anyone who, upon finding their 31-day missing daughter & granddaughter’s abandoned vehicle reeking of death with their belongings still in it, who would have driven the car home, cleaned it out while doing the laundry and then gone on to work as if it was any other day. Casey had virtually no cover for herself and it was when Lee began playing Inch-High Private Eye with his pad and pencil that the story seems to have hastily come together. There is nothing about any of this that has any credibility - starting with Casey’s statement that she dropped off her baby between 9Am and 1 PM that day. A four hour time frame? Stop there and go no further. Any mother can tell you what time she dropped her children off, and I would think that on the most significant day of your life - the last day you saw you precious baby - the details of that day would be forever emblazoned in your being. Right down to the minutiae.
Anyway, I am similarly buried in the early LE/FBI interviews and it’s just mind-boggling when compared to their depo’s.
allow me to clarify- I think the shirt was not “on” Caylee, but dumped with her remains.
Shorts were not on Caylee, and potentially dumped later
B
Ok….I had to go take a lookie at the cruise pics.
1. I’d say that is an earring in George’s ear
2. I think they both have tatoos.
SNARK ALERT….
Does anyone remember what it meant in the 80’s for a man to have his RIGHT ear pierced?
AND, where’s all their friends and supporters? When friends of mine have taken a cruise….you don’t normally have that many EMPTY chairs around you at the pool deck. Were they on that cruise by themselves? LOL
No problem Blink-and by the way-Very interesting post and comments re: the picture. But where can I find a full photo, enlarged without the Globe cover? Is there one?
In my mind - the dress from the Fusion pic had totally different sleeves and neckline vs the one in the Globe pic. The shades of blue look similar but that’s impossible to know given the nightclub lighting vs what seems to be either dusk or evening outdoor light and all of the variable camera conditions, etc.
I have not seen any other pics of Casey with that shirt on. It seems to offer a bit more ‘coverage’ than what we usually see her in - especially in the summer. Is that possibly a clue to the date of the pic? I know her hairstyle is VERY similar to the timeframe of June-July. She did give some good points of reference in a timeline just from her hairstyles alone.
I can’t really tell about Caylee’s hair/bangs. Depending upon humidity her hair could look very different from one day to the next since she did have quite a bit of natural curl. That could make the bangs look shorter or longer.
To me, it looks as if Casey is kind of ‘half sitting’ on something. Not a low chair but something higher. And depending on how you photoshop the pic - what seems like a bruise in some cases - looks more like a little curl of hair in others. I go back and forth on that one.
#262
THANK YOU! I wanted to comment on the ‘obvious’ myself. But why a cruise when they yet to be used Caylee Marie has been docked. What gets me is that their grand daughter is dead, their daughter is in jail and they’re living the high life on the seas? Please tell me their scam is going to bite them in their behinds. This so called foundation has YET to service their community in any capacity. Again…missing children in Florida and cruising? And where did OrlandoEAST post her infamous hot air rants….from the lido deck? I’m sure she’s Isaac’s best customer.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Thanks, Blink, for clarification.
Sorry…I forgot to identify a snark alert. I’m snarkin on every level after seeing those photos.
#317 muse
“Although Westside, I’m still not very clear that the shirt was too small. Marked 3T, and if none of the Anthony’s ever saw it as they claim, how do we know this to be true?”
It was a hypothesis based on the assertion by the state that “it was intentionally” placed with/on Caylee; I didn’t state it as fact, but other than corroborating testimony (which remains to be seen), my analysis of what MIGHT have lead them to this conclusion. (Some posters have placed the time of this photo at January 2008, some later. If January, she could have grown out of the shirt)
“ok, Im going to go ahead and say this, I am changing my opinion on her “wearing” the shirt. I do agree like the shorts, it was not on her.
The collar was intact.
B”
I know several people have already pointed this out, but this really does give new meaning to Casey’s complaining that “They haven’t even found her clothes yet”. Chilling.
I juxtaposed a Fusion photo of casey and the Globe photo to compare her hairdo. This hairdo, coloring looks very much the same. Maybe the hair in the Fusion photo is a bit longer. Here is link to the Fusion photo I found. If I get time I will see if I can send a link with both together. Fusion photo of course was June 21, 2008
Sorry, here is link to photo
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/072908caseypics/1/lg/4.htm
Question for you guys - does it look like Cindy has on the same shirt in the photo #143 on the first link as the one Casey has on in the Globe cover in the 2nd link?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery
http://coverawards.com/2008/10/08/news_globe_magazine_caylee_mom_47182/
Looks the same to me but it is a pretty generic T-shirt.
Adding to my last post: Again, a THEORY, if these shirts are still widely available, the LE could have purchased the same shirt in size 3T, and then compared it to the latest known clothing of Caylee’s, (before she went missing), to determine if that shirt would indeed still fit. Sizes are numbers. Different manufacturers vary the fit.
This may have nothing to do with he statement of “intentionally” putting it on Caylee. For all I know, it could have been a bit of hyperbole tossed out, designed to get the public enraged, with no real evidence to back it.
(your quote) “none of the Anthony’s ever saw it as they claim”
As the course of this investigation goes on, I personally believe less of the Anthony’s claims.
I believe more of the earlier statements , rather than the later ones.
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#317 muse
“Although Westside, I’m still not very clear that the shirt was too small. Marked 3T, and if none of the Anthony’s ever saw it as they claim, how do we know this to be true?”
It was my hypothesis based on the assertion by the state that “it was intentionally” placed with Caylee; I didn’t state it as fact, but other than corroborating testimony (which remains to be seen), my analysis of what MIGHT have lead them to this conclusion.
I am just now getting to the Cindy Anthony Depo, I am where she is talking about the night she called the police, again she is claiming that she only told the 911 dispatcher about the smell in the car to get the police there faster and that she only said “it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car” but really it was only garbage and it “smelled”, then she goes on about giving here statements to police, I have never seen her actual police statement from that first night, has that been released? I would be interested in what her first initial report states when all this was so frightening and upsetting to her before she had time to devise her lies (and George for that matter) I have heard all the interviews but would be very interested in seeing the statements from the first responders and CA & GA on that fateful night.
if that has indeed been released would one of you kind folks point me in the right directions, I am hunting right now..
thanks!
IF Casey sold this photo it would have been back when she was saying……. THE NANNY took her. Maybe she was going to say this is a picture the NANNY took of us w/Caylee wearing the shirt SHE gave her? Casey again THINKING she a criminal genius, HENSE the planting of the shirt to send a message!
SuzeeB and Lily
I agree the sleeves are different. It’s just that particular “blue dress” had a red hue to it, and the Globe cover appears to be heavy on the red side, which is why the garment looks more “purple” and Caylee’s pink t-shirt is more a more vibrant shade. I don’t recall any photos with CA wearing that color top, not to say that there aren’t any. Of course, who’s to say the Globe didn’t alter the colour of the top altogether.
In this link, the top of the shoulder looks to have a double stitched seam or some sort of casing on it. Thoughts?
http://coverawards.com/2008/10/08/news_globe_magazine_caylee_mom_47182/
Lily, totally agree on the “bruise”. Wanted to post last night, but I wasn’t seeing a bruise or any other injury under Caylee’s eye. Looking at the cropped version, IMO, there are wisps of hair coming across there. If you squint your eyes while looking at the under-eye in the cropped photo, it will look like the “bruise” from the Globe cover. The bruise” spot, or spots, were amplified with “heavy red” from the printing press.
Maybe the shirt was a gift from the Grunds or Ricardo?
Blink: “There’s a zero percent chance the State won’t compell that information from the Globe. And they will get it under seal, which will be our first clue.”
Is it possible this exact information is already under seal and was the item of reference in the Cindy depo?
Not previous to this article, no.
B
When, if ever, will the day come when the Anthony’s are forced to answer to all of their contradictions?
It seems as if they are just allowed to keep making these contradictory statements and no one seems to be pointing out that fact.
Does that come later, at trial? And will they be called to testify or plead the 5th?
Sorry for the rookie questions.
Can someone PLEASE help me out here before I go NUTS. I have been following this case since day 1 and pretty much have understood everything that is going on UNTIL NOW. There are a handful of things that I am just not getting. PLEASE HELP.
1. What is the significance of George and him placing or not placing duct tape on the gas cans. Over the hole or whatever?
2. What is the significance of Lee, his truck and the gas cans?
3. Are we completely ruling out that Lee had anything to do with helping Casey in any way after the fact?
Any guidance that anyone can give me would be MOST appreciated.
If the shorts were made of a blend of synthetic materials that would explain the reason they are in better shape then the shirt which was made of cotton.
Synthetic materials disintegrate at a much slower rate. The label on the shorts state they were made in Vietnam but not the fabric they were made of, or at least from what I could see.
I would also surmise that with the discovery of the lettering at the dump site of little Caylee, a rag magazine such as the Globe would have been all over that like white on rice. Do you think that the authorities have already confiscated all of their files and have that as evidence for the state hence a stop publication order.
#309 SuzeeB, no, LE found all of the words “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages.” It’s in the footnote of page 3378 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html (and elsewhere).
In Cindy’s depo on page 136, Cindy says Caylee talked about Zanny’s dog. She is pretty determined to say this. She is asked if Caylee actually said “Zanny’s Dog” or did she respond to Cindy’s question.
Remember George’s depo? He said Caylee would say thngs (only after being prompted).
On this page as well as page 137 Cindy finally admits that Caylee never used the word Zanny or Zanny’s dog.
On pagae 221, I like how Cindy clarifies it was “Tony” that broke into the shed (then on page 223 says Caysee “barrowed” the cans.) Is that a oxymoron???!!?
After hearing the barrowed comment, LDB went on to still call Casey the “culprit”. That probably burned Cindy.
Pages 263 thru 265, Cindy is inundated with quick questions about Caysee’s lies. Cindy admits to each of these that Caysee did not tell her the truth, she lied. But,beware…..she says she still trusts her. Whatever!
I know I said this before….but, it bothers me. On page 222 Cindy says Caysee “admitted” to take the gas cans to Cindy over the phone “before” Caysee had contact with her dad on the 24th.
Really???
Then why does Caysee “fake a surprise!” with George that the shed was broken into and the Cans stolen…..when Caysee just prior to that comment cleared it was Mom that she barrowed them. She already told on herself………soooo why fake a surprise…..
Someone is lieing!!!
On page 345 Cindy said it hadn’t rained in forever. And didn’t George say it was raining the day they picked it up.
Page 383,4 Cindy says Casey beelines past her car in the garage (her car has all the doors open, sun roof open…and of course the smell) and heads straight to her bedroom. cindy is asked, “Doesn’t Casey ASK what are you doing to my car, what is going ON!!! Cindy calmly says no. (She didn’t ask, becasue she knew and had to think fast.)
Others have broght this out, but I just read it today….. Page 385 Line 17 Cindy says…. “Becasue at that point I still did not connect the smell to Caylee.” Tell tale……
387 Cindy says she never called George after getting Caysee home. Whereas George says they spoke and she wanted him to come home, but he said he couldn’t leave early. That maybe a little parphrased…anyway guess phone records would verify who is lieing.
And I have to admit, now that Blink shared with us that she feels the shirt was “tossed” in with the body………..that makessssssssss sooooo much sense about a Globe picture and the possibilty of framing someone eles.
Blink, when I look at these pics, the shorts and shirt look really tattered and messed up, every bit as much or moreso than the laundry bag, so it seems reasonable that they have been there all along, but do you see something different? http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=12906766
Or are you building this theory of the shirt and shorts being dumped later because of the Globe photo, and who sold what and why?
To me, except for the possible night terrors and crying over the Father’s Day video, Casey didn’t give one thought to poor Caylee’s remains in the woods, so wouldn’t bother to go back for any reason. But you probably aren’t suggesting that Casey placed those items, but instead that someone on her team either did, either for framing purposes or because for some reason folks would think it meant the body was dumped while she was in custody? But why wouldn’t they just MOVE the remains? Too risky?
I really want to answer that, but can’t.
B
Well, firstly, I’d like to agree with WestSide’s comments regarding the Anthony’s in #299. It will never matter WHAT they do or WHAT they say (and yes I agree that most of the time I cringe when watching or listening to them), people will judge them. I mean really …. how many of us could have our photo snapped w/o our knowledge in a bathing suit and look great????? Come on now.
As for the whole Marinade Dave thing I have read here and on his site and I have this to say. I think for some (and only some), they may have a problem with him not because he is an Anthony lover but because he is not a hater. I’ve read tons of blogs regarding this case right from the very beginning and if you don’t hate the anthony’s then you will come under much speculation as either being one of them or being a member of KidFinder’s etc. Ridiculous. For the most part, people get off on the constant slamming of them. I am just not one of them. The junvenile name calling, inspecting their every move in photos …. hell at one point, some deranged woman even went through their garbage? I mean, seriously???
Personally, I’d rather be seen trying to return from a cruise and trying to mind my own business than snooping through someone’s garbage on national t.v. …. even if it belongs to the most hated family in america.
Sorry for the rant …. back to lurking.
silverspur—lol on the defense diagram that was so funny but in a sad way SO TRUE—BAEZ DEFENSE TEAM.
ALSO, glad that Dave posted here and glad of Blink’s response. Dave is about as unbiased as you can get—just wants to report the truth. He may state his opinion but he also acknowledges that it is his opinion. Also, regardless of what anyone thinks of the Anthonys, I thought it was very kind of Dave to shake George’s hand and say he was sorry for the loss of his grandchild. I think George has a part of himself still that remembers the love he had for that child and she for him, even though he is caught up in the Casey spin. And I am not a fan of any of the Anthony family not standing up for Caylee but Dave helps me to remember that there is a difference between opinion, stating the facts and judging. God will eventually be the one to judge. Caylee knows how many of us care about all the defenseless children. Don’t want to go on and on and I am not a skilled person to ferret out what is going on in all the depos etc like a lot of people but just felt the need to comment. thanks for the time
Whoops, Blink, missed your clarification about the shirt and shorts. Still trying to figure out how it helps Casey to have the shorts dumped later. I haven’t heard LE or anyone suggest that they are so intact that it messes up their timeline. Were they supposed to be found earlier, when freshly dumped, perhaps back in the original Aug 11-13 Kronk timeframe?
Had to do catch up with all the posts….The way I see this is, the only one who would have known what Caylee was wearing was CASEY! The Enabler ANthonys claim they did not see her for a month. I assume, that if this is true, the Anthony’s could not have known what Caylee was wearing when last seen. Yeah know it all comes back to CASEY! It is very very odd that the picture was printed and BAM it so happens that Caylee’s remains actually had it on. It still all comes back to Casey. Blink, if this is now so important of a find…..Can the GLOBE be forced to tell where they got the picture? I am assuming no, due to 1st amendment rights. Its just so sad. One of the previous posters hit it on the head that is was most likely JOSE who sold it for money. And I am sure he knows all to well Casey is guilty as the day is long. How long is this joke of a trial going to be allowed to continue? Seems to me a losing battle for her so called defense. I can not see all these high priced lawyers, getting their own reputations damaged by this trial. I do not believe that is was ‘just a odd chance” that Caylee was found in the very same shirt. I do not understand how it is relevent now. This whole trial is off the charts, whats one more insane thing coming forward. You said it your self Blink. Casey can sell anything. I do fear that Caylee’s remains photos are gonna surface, one way or another. I do not trust any of these cast of clowns.
Re the answer to 301:
Blink ( or Silver…or anyone),
CAN the State compel the Globe to reveal who sold that photo?
I certainly nourish hope that they CAN, because it is so critical…
but …1st Amendment, protecting sources, etc….
Or would the Globe voluntarily cooperate…?
I asked this way above, but got no reply….( too much important information happening!)
Please…if anyone knows….
BLINK - Gosh I miss seeing all of the comments when you go off and do silly things like tend to your real life. (Sarcasm intended)
Sorry, lol classroom visitation day
B
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg
Not sure if I could leave this link but it is the article from the Globe. It has 2 very cute pictures of Caylee.
“allow me to clarify- I think the shirt was not “on” Caylee, but dumped with her remains.
Shorts were not on Caylee, and potentially dumped later
B”
Blink could the shorts being dumped later been the idea of a certain attorney? What would be the purpose? Were they maybe in the car and someone tossed them later? how do you think that all went down?
if you can clarify…….thanks!
Think yardsale comments from Cindy depo.
B
sorry one more thing, wouldit have been in an attempt to set someone else up?
Meter Reader To Be Deposed In Casey Case
Posted: 12:04 pm EDT October 21, 2009
Updated: 12:43 pm EDT October 21, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Casey Anthony’s defense team scheduled its deposition of meter reader Roy Kronk (read document). He is the man who found Caylee Anthony’s remains on December 11.
Kronk will be deposed on November 19.
Regarding the smell.. Two months ago our van produced a horiffic smell. It was unlike a smell that we had ever smelled before. It smelled like something died in it, that was the only way one could describe it.
We couldn’t decide if we should roll down the windows and let it air out and risk flys and maggots or leave the windows up and try to clean the smell IT WAS THAT BAD. We have tried everything and although it is almost gone, you can still get a wiff of the smell. So we are going to have to replace the carpets.
The smell was caused by a leak in windshield fluid spout on our back window. We know this because of the water trail down the back and the carpet was wet. What combination of the wind shield fluid and the carpet or tire, or something else that made the smell is hard to say.
I mention this because I often thought about the decomp smell in caseys car every time I got in my own car but never saw the connection or relevance until last night.
You see…I drive a Montana Minivan, little did I know that a Montana IS A PONTIAC!! duh..
IMO it should be looked into
I have changed my mind about time frame for photo: (although dress sleeves could be photoshopped), I am comparing Globe photo to this site posted yesterday by someone here:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/08/pictures-of-caylee/
..and I think the image of Caylee on the Globe cover is the same as the top left pic on this site, with the dark spot under the left (her left) eye, which looks like a bruise (could be same bruise as bottom left), or a scab, in any case, perhaps a slightly earlier time frame, KC’s hair is slightly shorter than in June/July. Not as early as January (bruise in January was on right side).
On another point: Blink, if indeed both her shirt and shorts were not on her, but bundled into the package separately, it would explain KC comment to Tracy: …they have not even found the clothes she was wearing. But I do wonder why KC would have taken her clothes off.
Hi, I have NOT caught up to posts yet today! But quick thought on the shirt– IF Caylee’s body was not ‘wearing’ the pink shirt (I’m concerned about the ‘fit’ and ‘why’ it was there), then was she ‘dressed to go out’ at all? What top WAS evident at the scene, if any? Duplicate?
Back to reading as I have time… so much catching up to do!
Great post slvspnr! That seem to be it in a nutshell.
See you later, same bat time, same bat place!
George was not wearing an earring. It is a motion sickness small circle patch. I know because I wore one before. Not sure if anyone posted that already. Thanks
I thought that went behind your ear- If that is correct, thanks so much, I had not considered that.
B
Caught Silver’s morning post– thanks! That’s all for the moment, but Silver’s one comment about Cindy’s unplanned ‘admissions’ re: car/dead baby, it’s corroborated by Richard Grund overhearing a similar unintended statement that sort of ‘leaked out’ as he stood beside his wife as Cindy said this to Deborah Grund. (we have not read an interview of Mrs. Grund yet either).
I also agree that the lies started well before the 911– this whole thing is so incredibly ‘planned’ — that Globe photo, if not a complete ‘fluke’ of choice, shows just how much detailed planning and knowledge there really was– (the A’s don’t do anything without planning– like the ’shorts’ video came out too, offered by Cindy to show Casey’s loving with baby side– ‘baby in the right pair of shorts’ that is).
(not even going to attempt to fully catch up at the moment– didn’t read here last night, but picked up a movie to watch that I’ve seen several times in the past– ‘In the Heat of the Night’– classic!!! )
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Casey Anthony’s defense team scheduled its deposition of meter reader Roy Kronk (read document). He is the man who found Caylee Anthony’s remains on December 11.
Kronk will be deposed on November 19.
Also in the case against Casey, prosecutors have given the defense more than 2,000 pages of new documents and more photographs (read document).
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21361234/detail.html
Blink, anytime you feel my opinion is wrong, please delete it. I certainly do not EVER want to rock your boat. This site is one of the best ones you can post on without fear of attack or name-calling and those are the only ones I frequent. All any person has to do is skim through past comments on any blog to see exactly what it is the moderator is promoting. Easy. When I see innocent people viciously attacked for their opinions I just move along . . . who wouldn’t? But even though you’ve told me you do not want my opinion you have done it in a very respectful way. You did not start screaming at me and encourage other bloggers to attack me for it and for that I am very grateful. Peace.
Now, about this photo ~ I am going to have to start at the top and re-read because I am just not getting the significance. Why is it such a stretch to believe it’s a coincidence? What am I missing? I’m sure the answer is explained above so am off to start re-reading it all.
I will be interested to see if you still feel that way when your done- but respect that opinion just the same.
B
Don’t know if this is the place for it, but all the talk of Ricardo Morales has got me thinking back to when everybody in the Anthony family was telling OCSO that the last day they had seen Caylee was June 9. Casey stayed overnight at Ricardo’s on that date, and she later was trying to tell folks that the picture taken at his apt was taken at Zanny’s apt. Was Ricardo one of those who had a bus aimed at his bottom, too? Is he still on the bus waiting list?
Silverspn’r: I too would be interested to see how you would defend Casey, whether from the beginning or starting now with the evidence that has been released. This new stranger abduction assertion has me puzzled. What is Baez heading for now?
RE BLINKS COMMENT:Yes. I keep seeing people saying “Nobody is that stupid to sell this photo”. This is the oldest excuse in the book. That’s exactly why they thought they could. Remember the case of the crime novelist that murdered his wife and wrote about it previous to the murder albeit fictionally? His defense was why the H would I commit a murder exactly how I wrote, I would be the first suspect? Same theory.
It goes along with Baez’s theory of “why would KC dump the remains of Caylee near her home”…it’s along the same lines as this pic..coinky dink? Doubt it.
Here is Jean’s answer to me about that photo. She is a friend of mine on myspace.
“Ok now it opened..
No I have had it FOREVER..
I thought she looked like Cindy in that picture. I’ve had it over a year…
Jean ”
Shy-
I am not following, please expand
B
Slow day.
So I’m left to reading old transcripts and came across this quote by Jesse Grund:
EE: And this is completely speculative, but if something did occur where do you think she would put that child?
JG: Uhm, my first guess was the house. Uhm, but again, the house has obviously been searched. So it’s not there anymore. Uhm, you know uh, she knew that area of town pretty well. Uhm, but I think she would stay familiar and close to home, so any one of those little parks that’s anywhere close to her house. I never went to a park with her and Caylee before, though so. The only place I ever really went that was secluded for the two of us…
“So it’s not there anymore”??? Interesting choice of words.
one area of this puzzle missin some pieces is sawgrass and zenaida g. i’d say morgan has grounds to question c stutz,tat people,he can reposition that it wasnt abstract coincidence that casey used zenaida but intentional.
one area of this puzzle missin some pieces is sawgrass and zenaida g. i’d say morgan has grounds to question c stutz,tat people,he can reposition that it wasnt abstract coincidence (that can be cleared up by casey publicy admitting that it was not this zg) but that casey zenaida intentionally.
I did the same ebay search just to see what else was on the other covers about caylee. I saw this one and it says DNA on Casey’s shoe links her to the crime scene. Blink, you think there is any truth to that?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Patrick-Swayze-Queen-Latifah-Caylee-Anthony-Billy-Joel_W0QQitemZ350203061817QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMagazines?hash=item5189baa639
No, I do not.
B
westside I respectfully disagree if the A’s give BS then they get BS, I wouldn’t want t be in their shoes, I think they should have gotten off that boat and stayed where ever the boat docked, you cant travel the nation and lie and pretend to care and then take a fancy boat ride and not expect tp pi$$ people off who care and want justice…but you won’t catch me throwing stones. IMO we have all said things in anger here, I believe enough is enough lets get to the nitty gritty (trial)
Much love to you westside you are one of my favs!
“…I’m really loosing steam and if you want me to collapse on your studio so that you’ll have sensationalism, I’m real close… Orlando area gets what I am about…” Cindy Greta interview July 21st, 2008.
Cindy seemed to notice how she could create ’sensationalism’ (sensationalism sells…) at this early date, only 4 days after the media would first become aware of the story.
If you have a strong stomache. there are pics of the “grandparents of the year” on their cruise at wftv.com Go to the slideshows tab.
Randy, funny how Cindy gets ‘in the know’ about everything before George is called in to play his role, including knowledge of the gas can incident.
Then George takes it upon himself, without Cindy’s knowledge, to file a POLICE report on the theft… without Cindy knowing about it… he knows his daughter steals, needs gas, has no money from work… drives like a bat out of h&**%% (my words, not his but he talked about how fast she drives). Right– there was a REASON behind that call to police. It fits with the ‘plan of action’.
Kleat, you asked about Second Life. Myself, I was waiting to get a decent headset so I could talk to everyone and I finally did but haven’t found many Blinkers there since ~ I’m thinking it’ll get busy as we get closer to trial, no? You?
Blink,
I know you probably won’t tell. But, what is significant about the date/dates surrounding the cruise? Did Lee and Mallory get married or is the date of the cruise related more to the Casey A. timeline?
(I copied the statement below from a comment above)
Sal-
You did it. Write this date down. I am Speechless.
B
No commemortion, I was speechless at the images.
B
#348 hk I’m not sure what the implication in this post is but I feel so badly for all of the Grunds. They accepted Casey into their home in spite of their reservations. They loved and cared for Caylee knowing that Casey lied about Jesse being the father. I was amused by the ’stranger’ murder theory because I don’t know anyone stranger than the Anthonys.
Bottom line- the car smelled of human decomposition. There was a ’stain’ in the shape of a small body in the trunk. There was at least one hair with a death ring on it. There were maggots and coffin flies in the trunk. The Anthonys duct tape was on Caylee’s skull. Casey lied about almost everything. Leave the Grunds alone!
I wonder if Casey took out a life insurance policy in the amount of $14000 on Caylee. That would explain some things and if LE knows this, it’s premeditation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzVr4_K4Ao&feature=player_embedded#
Dominick Casey’s interpretation of his contract with Baez. Very interesting about his take on the ’search’ in the woods. . .
I am still working my way thru Cindy’s depo.
Pgs. 402-406 amaze me. Cindy just makes herself look like such an upstanding citizen. How many times does she allude to the polices’s incompetence? Many!
Pg. 407 Cindy says Caysee came and got “teddy” to sleep with cause comforted her while Caylee was gone. Weird alert!
I am sure Cindy’s nose is growing as the depo proceeds.
I thought is was humorous that Cindy was actually MAD at the officer that used Caysee phone to call all her contacts to see if they knew anything of Caylee. Wellllllllllllllllll I thought her whole goal was ONLY to get Caylee back…….then why be angry????
And before pg 428 Cindy says, “And I know she did not physically intentionally hurt her daughter and I believe with every cell in my body.” Weird alert again! Why not just say, “I know she would never hurt Caylee.” She is giving TMI. (Maybe that was a brief moment of what she really thinks……an accident.)
This one really bothered me this afternoon: Page 434 Cindy says, “…had to be a reason why she was lying so severly to me.” She tells everyone it is due to Casey’s life is in danger if she tells the truth…… (Kidnapper).
#1. Ummmm….Cindy is acknowledging how “severe” Caysee’s lies are. Red Flag!!!
#2 They are that sever Cindy becasue your daughter killed your grandaughter and then severe lie after severe lie after severe lie has tried to cover it up.
Blink-
In a previous post you state that you believe “the shirt was not on Caylee but dumped with her remains”. In all of the pictures released by LE that I have seen, the collar of the shirt is intact while the remainder of the shirt appears to be in tatters. I have just pulled out my grand-dtrs Target circa shirts out (sizes 4T) and the collars of these shirts are reinforced so that they stand up better to being pulled off and on squirming children’s heads. The ones I am looking at have some synthetic fibers woven in to the binding- that seam that circles the neckline. I am thinking that synthetic materials would not degrade as badly as cotton fibers making the neck-line piece more likely to be found intact? I am sure there are forensic textile experts that know more about this. I am just making a suggestion here.
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Catching up on the posts here…..GO SILVERSPNR….You are on a roll and aptly stating what I have been thinking especially after plowing through the latest depositions and comparing their latest “stories” to their initial interviews with LE. I do not understand why they are covering for her.
I have an old friend who lost her three beloved grand children in a fire that was deliberately set by her daughter and son in law for insurance money. Her daughter and son in law are now both in prison and my friend went through quite a bit of grief and pain as she faced the loss of her grand children and came face to face with the complicity of her own daughter in their death. She had the grace and strength to sit in the back of the courtroom each day during the daughters trial to show support for the real victims, her grandchildren.
What is wrong with the Anthonys? At best their denial and pathological covering up for their daughters actions certainly falls into the category of Ugly coping/Ugly grieving. Or is it greed or have they just backed themselves into a corner with the manipulations and lies and they cant see their way out.
Please tell your friend her grandbabies are in my prayers, I cant imagine
B
thanks Blink #348 ALWAYS AMAZED
Hi Bees, I’ve looked at only a couple of the early ‘family or Cindy interviews’ done early on last year when they were showing several photos of Caylee to supposedly help find her. Several are used, and used over and over– the one with the ‘drums’ at ‘zanny’s/ricardo’s’ apt, the one in the Eddie Bauer seat with doll ‘mama’, and they repeated with a few others.
It was interesting to note that the one of Casey with her baby, in what looks like a loving type photo, baby is happy, was never used, yet that would be a pose that a person might see a missing baby in– someone else’s arms, stretching out or away. Just a thought– wonder why they did not use that pink shirt photo, even cropping out adult faces, to show a good expression of the baby. Coincidence, maybe, but also, maybe not giving it at low cost or free to these early interviews, when they later could use it specifically on one source to publish for a bigger fee, to limit exposure to that one source, have it in print vs digital only and available to be raised in defense, later on
Notice the byline– implying a ‘bombshell witness’– the defense has said they have a witness from Equusearch who said body was not there, and the defense is often stating that they have proof, that the area was definitely searched according to a witness. So the story is tied to a defense theory on the same cover page of the Globe. Maybe a coincidence that this photo was not one of the commonly used ones out there, like the Rico apartment with drums, photo of Caylee, but it’s not a coincidence that the Globe story was also about ‘the witness’ who would drop a bombshell in the case. (I haven’t read the article– maybe that will reveal more)
Will be interesting to see how this unfolds, either way.
Randy, re: ‘Teddy’– on MSNBC interview video with George Cindy, Lee (I’m sure it was this one, just reviewed it recently), the family has ‘Teddy’— shows him off to the cameras as the Teddy that Caylee slept with ‘usually’.
But George or Cindy talked in depos, about the ‘limit of 3′ toys Caylee could have to sleep with– said Casey limited her to the ‘mama’ doll, the ‘Teddy’ bear, and one other– she had a choice of one per night IIRC.
So, they are emphasizing the ‘Teddy’ for some reason, maybe they just didn’t have ‘mama’ with them, maybe the police did at that time, don’t know. (btw, I find ‘mama’ a strange name for a ‘baby’ doll– could it be that she called the babydoll ‘mama’ because someone suggested it to her? BTW– what did Caylee call Casey? Mommy, mama… ??
Thanks Blink
You can wear it behind the ear, but mine came off from sweating and my hair. It stayed on better on the ear lobe. This is just my guess.
On page 273 of Cindy’s Part II depo it says…..a week later after June 16th Caylee’s “Teddy” was gone. Because I actually had “Teddy” with me a few night because I missed Caylee so much.
Wasn’t the 16th last day any of the Anthony’s saw Caylee? So why does Cindy miss Caylee so much already? Didn’t she spend the whole week with her the first of June around her birthday?
Oh Spindy……spin it, spin it!!!!
I have always felt that the story was hashed out and made up before the last 911 call on July 15th. Cindy wanted to report the car stolen at first, but the SO wasn’t quick enough to respond. That I think was part of their farce too. JMO..of course!
Angela_NW, you wrote–
“On another point: Blink, if indeed both her shirt and shorts were not on her, but bundled into the package separately, it would explain KC comment to Tracy: …they have not even found the clothes she was wearing. But I do wonder why KC would have taken her clothes off.”
That is assuming that Caylee had clothes ‘on’ in the first place, and assumes George saw the two leave during the day– dressed for the outside. There is some reason to believe this may not have been so, as George states while he watched his Guy Fieri foodtv show that aired the day before and not at noontime on the 16th. (’Comfort Food’ episode of DDD aired on Father’s Day, Sunday, as far as we know and maybe DDD was not shown on Monday in Orlando at all– wish someone could ‘comfirm’ that positively with the networks).
One answer to the ‘why KC would have taken her clothes off” is that she wasn’t dressed to be outside when she died (ie did she die on the 15th or another night>, or maybe the clothes were taken off so that other clothes could be put with her when she was dumped…’
Sorry dee
the numbers changed to #362.
Ok I am still trying to understand the whole shirt being on the Globe cover. I am a little slow but I almost think it may have been some type of trophy for Casey. She knew the shirt was with the body. She had the picture when she scooped up photos to take to Baez’ office, and then when the Globe came calling did Casey insist this photo be on the cover?
If the shirt and shorts were dropped off at the site after the remains were dumped, then does that means Caylee was killed just wearing pullup or swimmer? Sounds like that would coincide more with the murder taking place at the Anthony home. Also no shoes found with remains. Did Casey realize this within the 31 days while she was partying and dump clothes by the bags so it would go along with her kidnapping story? Or was Caylee wearing different clothes when she was murdered, and they were taken off her and the clothes were disposed of somewhere else hence the “they haven’t even found her clothes yet”?
signed confused.
I know I’m not the brightest bult in the pack, and maybe I’ve missed a post about this… But doesn’t it make sense that Ricardo sold those photos and his interview to the Globe? After all, the story is about him and his relationship with Casey and Caylee. Am I totally missing something?
#338_Randy
“then on page 223 says Caysee “barrowed” the cans.”
I know that annoys the crap out of me too, Casey “borrowed” credit cards, checks, money….only in her world, permission is never needed prior, the law doesn’t matter, and repayment is a joke.
#349_Midwest Mom
I had a used car, with a similar situation, a few years back. There were actually leaks from outside of the vehicle through windows. It was a horrible smell, and it developed over time. Anyone who has ever experienced a flood, or visited flood victims (with soaked carpets) would know that it is nasty.
I have also smelled rotting animal carcasses (as most have) , and unfortunately, I have smelled decubitus with eschar, infections and dying flesh on cancer patients (sorry I should have posted a warning) . As much as the the carpet smell produced the gag reflex, (thankfully the vehicle is now in a junkyard), it did not remotely compare to other things that I mentioned. I can only imagine that a decomposing body is infinitely more odoriferous and offensive than any of the experiences that I have mentioned.
There was never any mention of leaks in the Pontiac by Casey or any other person (s). The decomp smell was preemptively explained by Casey as a case of “dead squirrels”; I don’t believe either team’s experts has recovered any evidence of that.
# 350 Angela
“But I do wonder why KC would have taken her clothes off.”
Maybe she didn’t. Maybe the trouble T was already in a laundry bag? Maybe Caylee was never dressed?
# 358_Shyloh
“Here is Jean’s answer to me about that photo. She is a friend of mine on myspace.“Ok now it opened.. No I have had it FOREVER.. I thought she looked like Cindy in that picture. I’ve had it over a year… Jean ”
Did she have the cropped version? If not, can you ask her where she got it from? Also, does she have some relationship or connection to any of the people in this case?
Ada - No implication of anything. Just struck me as odd choice of words. Did Casey say something to him that made him think the body was in the home at some point and then moved? Did he just speculate that, as others did? Or did he just happen to use those words?
Again, just struck me as odd. Could mean nothing.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21362599/detail.html
Body found in search for missing girl.
If it is her or if it isn’t…I’m sick.
correction to above #375 brightest “bulb” (not bult).
Blink & Justice!!! WOW!. OK ~ had to read it through twice but am now on same page. OF COURSE there is significance to this photo being used. The odds would be astronomical, I think, for it to be coincidental. You guys are the best, and no doubt the pros are keeping their eyes peeled to your blog. How much more can the defense team take I wonder? They should be huddled together in the corner of a dark room whimpering by now. Truth > Lies.
Hello all. I have been following your site since the beginning of summer and am not a complete Blink devotee. Thank you for all of the work that you do to protect those that cannot protect themselves.
A thought on the Globe photo, another poster linked the article which is written from the perspective of Ricardo Morales and includes photes of him with Caylee. Additionally, in an interview with LE, Ricardo admits to selling photos to the Globe. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that the photo on the cover was taken by him and was in fact one of the photos he sold to them in conjunction with his participation for the story.
No because his pics appeared with his story. This was October 2008.
In Cindy’s deposition, when asked about photos (sic) being removed from the home, Jose B has a hissy and tells Cindy to zip it, and that info is “under seal”.
True.
However, I have developed a sense of logic application to the Anthony’s, specifically Cindy, when she is lying.
She is what I like to call “The overseller”. When asked about it, she first responds “I dont know where it was taken..”
When I analyze those statements where I know or believe it to be untrue, these are the most verbose and overkill as to the reasons the interviewer should believe her.
Point is, she always starts with the sledgehammer. In this case, that sledgehammer tells me that photo was taken on the sofa inside the Anthony home, and was retouched ( I have an extensive background in retouching of images for print) to darken the surrounding, but light enough to print. I have someone working on it with much more fire power than I, but I am pretty close to offering that as my opinion.
Welcome to Blinkoncrime.com CuriousGG, I love your “hat”, any relevance to Caylee?
B
Bees, I’m in your camp with the photo at this point. Sometimes a coincidence is a coincidence (though I like karma or fate better, lol).
I do love the outside-of-the-box thinking that goes on in discussions here—that kind of brainstorming is useful and sometimes yields some interesting theories that might just wash. I do tend to let my mind roam freely and then when i feel my theories are getting overly convoluted I ask myself: Is there a simpler explanation? (Sadly, Occam’s razor tends to yield ‘wet blanket’ outcomes that are not nearly as fun or interesting as the other ones).
BUT, with the long cast of dubious characters in this case, anything is certainly possible..!
lol, you need to re-read, Bees is a convert.
B
Just winding down to the last 30 pages of Cindy’s depo. Do you think we’ll hear the audio tapes of these depos? I sure hope so. Because when I’m reading LDB’s “uh huh” and “right” after each of Cindy’s answers, in my head she’s saying those really really sarcastically. Wish I could explain it better. But if someone looks you in the eye and tells you a bold-faced lie and you say “right” — you know that inflection in your voice? That’s what I’m imagining LBD’s voice to be doing. Almost like patronizing Cindy in a way, ya’know?
Here’s what I don’t get about the gas cans. I thought we didn’t think the Ants got a real freakout until discovering something nasty in the yard on July 3, and we surely know that the decomp car on July 15 really sent Cindy over the edge so much that she got the police involved. But Geo files his gas can police report on June 23 or 24. So what is that about? He doesn’t hint to (ex) Deputy Cain that maybe if he wants to find the gas can perp, he should try to track down Casey.
So what do they gain by filing the police report? It doesn’t help Casey NOT look like a thief—just the opposite. Is it just that it puts George near the trunk of the car where he allegedly sees and smells nothing on June 24? Yet Geo and Cin are so mortified on July 15, I do believe that is the first time they were aware the trunk was involved in this crime. The car is not even left at Amscot until the 27, so…I’m lost!
I am probably missing something really obvious. Can anyone clue me in?
I am also confused by the gas cans, the calls to LE about them and the tape on them. I’m not getting something?
Maybe ’someone’ saw the Globe photo (in October), knew that it had been sold by Ricardo, so then the ’someone’ placed it in the area after the fact? (I’m going to disagree with myself like Kleat does). If that were the case, it probably wouldn’t have been as worn. Plus, there would have absolutely had to have been an accomplice.
Blink -
You said earlier that you think the shirt was not on Caylee when she was put into the woods.
The photos from the discovery looks like the collar is separated from the rest of the shirt - and was possible that it on her and torn away.
Am I looking at it wrong?
It is possible, yes, I restudies the autopsy report, specifcially the anthropology, I no longer think she was wearing it at the time of her disposal, but I could be wrong. Trying to be respectful of the baby, kwim?
B
“soulsister:
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg
Not sure if I could leave this link but it is the article from the Globe. It has 2 very cute pictures of Caylee.”
soulsister, darn good find. Looking at how Ricardo is holding little Caylee’s hands with the drumsticks, and the expressions on both their faces, it appears to very gentle and endearing.
I wonder if that was one of his shirts CA is wearing on the front cover. She had quite the anger and resentment over their break-up if I recall, and I tend to believe Ricardo’s reason.
hk: On Jesse
I believe that any thinking person might conclude that after the fact of a crime, there would be an attempt to remove or discard evidence. That’s all I take away from his statement. Although I could be wrong, and I don’t feel that I am an advocate for him.
What would someone store or contain Chloraform(sp)in or if it is bought commercially what type of container would it be sold? Ex: glass bottle, plastic or metal container? Surely, not a gas can. idk
If this case goes to trial, do you think the jurors would view the car and would it still have a odor?
If this info is somewhere else, just let me know.
kp
#390 chicagojudy
I hear you! I spit out water laughing when Lee was questioned if his sister always talked in “riddles”. More so than the tone, I was imagining the prosecutor having a hard time keeping a straight face. But, if you read too long, you get batty, and start to think everything is either funny or exasperating…or both.
I want to clarify my post earlier #352: the image of Caylee in the Globe photo, and the top left photo in that article (about the bruises) is not the same photo - what I meant is that they are images of the same bruise or scab and therefore same time frame. IMO
Also, does anyone have a link to the photo of Caylee in Ricardo’s apt with drum?
Kleat,
I stopped reading for the day around page 441 of Cindy’s depo, so maybe the answer is after that but………..if Cindy had Teddy first, then “claims” Caysee came and got it for comfort, how does the Family end up with it again???
Westsdie,
You said, “Maybe Caylee was never dressed.” I have often wondered that. If it is true that later in the afternoon Cindy and Caylee were swimming, then Caysee comes home, there is a fight, welllll…..that leaves Caylee in a swim suit (and not dressed). Now wheather Cindy left or wheather Caysee left…..the child still may not be dressed.
In a fit of rage…….killed Caylee……and she wasn’t dressed.
hmmmmm…….
On George’s Depo around pages 103 to 105 George elaborates:
“I felt there was something I felt just wasn’t adding up, I just, I guess the old detective mode came in and just wanted to find out what was going on…” This was about Sprots Authority.
Just wondering how often “detective mode” registers??
When it is about Caysee’s “time”? Yep det. mode
When it is about Money? Yep det. mode
When it is about Zanny? Nope all is good.
When it is about Tony, Jessy, Amy? Yep Det. Mode
When it is about Samanthia, Zanny supposed Sister? Nope all is good.
Detective Mode “is” in him. And he “knows” what Casey did.
Now is the time for “Cover up Mode.”
Thanks for responding Blink and I look forward to seeing your analysis of the photo.
My hat “CuriousGG” has no relevance to anything. I am just a curious girl who goes by the nickname GG.
Thanks again for all that you do. I imagine it is tough to juggle family, work this site and life but juggle you do and you do it well. Bravo!
Thanks and welcome.
B
Soulsister_GLOBE STORY
Sorry I don’t know the number, but I read your link. Thanks.
I don’t remember Ricardo’s official testimony, but from that article he states that Casey was “over too much, 5 days a week, suffocating”. Combine that info with what we know about her moving into Tony’s apartment so quickly, and it clearly paints a picture of a young woman desperate to get out of her family’s house.
Angela_nw, the photo with the drum at Ricardo’s– no apparent bruise under either eye (that I could see).
Earlier today, I found a photo of Casey with big smile, posed with Caylee, almost expressionless, again in an inside livingroom type setting– not the Anthony’s main decor theme for sure. Caylee’s bruise or red mark, is under her right eye (left side of the photo– opposite to the Globe photo). I can’t tell whether this photo has been reversed or not, but expect not– there is text on a poster (bet a man’s apt if that poster is a clue– maybe another room at Rico’s, don’t know). I can’t enlarge to see if the letters or word are backwards. This photo was taken at a shorter hair length than the Caylee with drum at Rico’s.
Curious GG, can you tell from the Globe picture as we have it available to us on the Globe site, has been retouched at all? I expect that this photo has NOT been reversed because of the lettering on the T shirt, but I wonder if there are other areas which may have been, such as the mark on Caylee’s face.
Couldn’t the flash, not so powerful if a little camera, fade quickly past the subject area and be fairly darkened depending on the flash power? With some additional darkening to suit the publication/drama and avoiding extra details. And there would be a certain lack of focus in the darker areas too, depending on how fast the ISO was set on the camera (if that was much of an option anyway)?
I can’t wait for your latest on that picture, Blink. There are certainly some areas that have been darkened. The area underneath Caylees shirt is totally blacked out. Casey’s arm/hand seem oddly blurred or “smudged” in PS language.
That picture just keeps getting more interesting.
Granmomma, one impression I get from Lee, is that he acts as if no one else is as smart as he is– he seems to have a lot of confidence in his abilities to tell someone what’s what, and have it believed.
Like Lee says in his depo, that he decided that Casey really meant to NOT trust Annie when she said she trusted Annie, because he heard Casey say that she DOES trust Amy, but Lee figured that couldn’t be right, so Casey must have meant the opposite for each woman, vs what she actually said.
Wierd logic but it fits with Lee’s need to be suspicious of Amy and friends, while keeping the family version of Annie and Casey were no longer best friends, scenario.
LE had Lee’s number early on, while complimenting him on his abilities as an investigator because he even had a note pad and everything!
Testimony of Ricardo Morales on 7/25/08 re origin of bruise under Caylee’s left eye (as shown in above photo that appeared in “Globe” on 10/8/08):
EE: Okay. Uhm, regarding the photograph of the child with the bruise underneath the eye, you said that that occurred around January 23rd this year (2008)?
RM: Yes. I was, I was there when she actually hit the table that bruised her eye.
EE: You witnessed that?
RM: Yes. EE: And that you know that that photograph now that’s in the news is…
RM: Yeah (affirmative), I know…
EE: …in your apartment?
RM: The, that, when she hurt her eye was in out apartment. It was an accident. She ran into the table.
EE: Who took that photo?
RM: I, I’m, I’m pretty sure it was Casey.
EE: And she put it on her My Space or?
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_R_Morales072508.htm
#305 — Westside — If you listen to Part 3, Interview of Cindy by the FBI Cindy did say this to the FBI here — (http://www.wftv.com/video/18036013/index.html), @ 30 min — Cindy says that George was warned ahead of seeing the car that it smelled when they picked it up and had been getting progressively getting worse and that the tow company could not get in the trunk. No one had access to the trunk.
Blink- Help me out here.
Blink: “There’s a zero percent chance the State won’t compell that information from the Globe. And they will get it under seal, which will be our first clue.”
HK: “Is it possible this exact information is already under seal and was the item of reference in the Cindy depo?”
Blink: “Not previous to this article, no.”
Do we agree that this picture is the item under seal being discussed in Cindy’s depo? If yes, then WHY is it under seal (if not for the Globe article) ???
The Caylee was not dressed goes with the fact that no shoes were found to be with her.
AngelaNW - I agree that we’re talking probably about 3 different images of Casey with what seems to be some sort of injury to her face.
To me - 2 of them appear to be scabs of some sort - one under each eye at 2 different times. The other one is of the Globe picture that looks like a bruise in one photo - and seems to be her hair in another.
I think its weird that she has round scabs under each eye - but it seems that Ricardo explained one of those injuries and stocirpa commented on that at 6:31pm above.
Blink and others, you seem to think that Caylee did not have the shirt and the shorts on her when placed in the woods. I believe that also. Could it be that when Casey got home on July 15th she found her mother and Caylee in the pool and once they started fighting, she grabbed Caylee and took off without dressing her or only a diaper or swimmy thing. Once the A’s figured out what Casey had done, they put the close at the site of the remains in order to frame someone else.
JMO. Anybody, let me know if I’m way out there.
I have also considered it is simply what was in the laundry bag when she put her in it.
B
Hi Blink!
I just wanted to let you know that I found an old email that I had found and sent it to your ‘other” email address.
Dont know if you can use it but please feel free to do so…..
k, will check Nancy
B
Kleat
I don’t believe I see a bruise or any other injury under Caylee’s eye in the Globe cover. Looking at the cropped version, IMO, there are wisps of hair coming across there. If you squint your eyes while looking at the under-eye in the cropped photo (enlarge the photo first), it will look like the “bruise” from the Globe cover. Same thing with the areas on the right forehead. The bruise” spot, or spots, are amplified from the newspaper printing process and the fact it is a low-resolution image we are trying to enlarge. JMO.
Is anyone here familiar with the “Bubba the Love Sponge Show”? I just got a Google Alert for stating that he has offered the Anthony’s $25,000 to be on his live morning show for 1 hour. A quick search shows is DEFINITELY not a Casey supporter. He seems like he shoots straight from the hip and would not take any of their crap.
Now here’s the $25,000 question, will Cindy’s greed get the best of her and she’ll agree or will she walk away from the money? Thoughts?
http://www.prlog.org/10384218-bubba-the-love-sponge-offers-25000-to-parents-of-casey-anthony.html
I don’t believe that Caylee was dressed either. Never did
Blink and Kleat
If this was taken on the A’s couch (the living room or enclosed porch, Blink?) who do you believe took the shot? Could it have been on a tripod (tripod found at Suburban) with self-timer? I have a completely nutty, more complicated thought, but I’m hoping you can offer a simpler explanation on who might have taken the photo.
As I read all the comments, I have had a few thoughts and questions on Caylee not wearing these clothes when her body was left in the woods. Could it be possible that the whole Hoover taping Casey searching the area a “red herring”? Could he have actually found the remains earlier? Maybe Casey A. gave the clothing to Baez, he in turn gave it to Casey to plant with the remains to implicate Zanny, Ricardo, Jesse ?
Blink, Please don’t post this to your site if you think I am just seeing Jesus in toast again I don’t want to waste your valuable time or the time of your contributers. Believe me I won’t be offended. I just want to spare taking everyone off topic if you don’t think this has any merit Thanks.- I have been fiddling with the contrasts on the globe pic and it seems to me that there is a pic/poster on the wall above casey’s left shoulder of a man in a tie? also comparing this photo to the cropped photo the area that concerned us sparetire/car area has been blackened out also and it seems as if when lightened looks to be possibly a tv screen with some image on it. What do you think? Thanks again, Momof3
#344 - Suz - Was Caylee moved to her final resting place between June 24th and 27th? By then, the body would have been in such advanced state of decomp and would have really overpowered the car if fluids were oozing out. Did Casey panic and decide to dump the car at Amscot because she obviously couldn’t drive it anymore with the overwhelming smell and couldn’t risk someone asking questions about it?
Still trying to digest all the latest material. So many great minds at work here - just trying to wrap my mind around it all.
Still believe there will be a plea. Blink - you have the greatest site of ‘em all. Thanks
Kleat….6:23 p.m.- yep, I think so! (**wink) (Wish I knew how to do the neat little smiley faces.) I know on a thread somewhere it was explained in depth, but my mind was probably on Crazy and Crew and I couldn’t think that deeply at the time. LOL……
I don’t comment alot because I think …. I am a deep thinker, and with the case sometimes my imagination runs wild with me! (**wink)
Guess that’s why I can cause such a stir sometimes…..
Maybe I seem to laugh too, when….lets see….when I think there’s something said might be a koinky dink.
It, atleast helps me get through the day with a little less stress….wanting….SO BADLY JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE AND IT’S KILLING ME TO HAVE TO WAIT AND GET THE GOODS!
Kleat, I also thinks Casey thinks she’s as smart as her big brother, too!
I know in one part of Cindy’s depo she says…(not word for word) but that her (Spindy), Lee, & Crazy had the same MENTALITY, but George, not so much!
I THOUGHT……….you ain’t kiddin!
For Angela_nw: http://a11news.com/images/caylee-marie-anthony.jpg
I think a fight ensued after Cindy and Caylee got out of that pool. I think tensions had been brewing for quite some time and after Cindy talked to Shirley she had had enough. Maybe Cindy threatened Casey that night with taking Caylee away. I think Caylee was still not changed from the pool and Casey in her anger just grabbed a blanket and Caylee and left. I know she didn’t go far.
If Lee was not at home at that time she may have just gone over there and sat in the drive unless she had a key. At any rate I doubt she went far. She could have driven around to that road behind the house. I dont know. I think Caylee was probably having a tantrum, tired, hungry and Casey in her anger probably wanted to shut her up so she could call Tony. And then she did the unthinkable. I think George and Cindy both lied about seeing Casey and Caylee the next morning. Cindy had no reason to call Casey that morning and take a chance on waking them up. She could have waited till she got to work or at least for a while.
I think Cindy called Casey because she wanted to know where Casey was. She never mentioned the car being in the driveway that morning and when she was finally asked she couldn’t remember.
If Casey did return home at some point that night then Caylee was in the trunk of her car. George never saw Caylee only Casey and she told him Caylee was at the babysitters. I don’t think Casey had any time on the 16th to do anything else between the phone and computer to do anything else except maybe on the way to Tony’s to look for a spot to put Caylee.
And Maybe she did temporarily until she had time to think. She looked like crap at the Blockbuster Video Store and it rained good that day. Looks to me like she got caught in it. I am not sold on the fact that she kept Caylee in the trunk of the car until she placed her at Surburban Drive. I think she moved Caylee at least once.
The rest and the timing I haven’t decided yet.
OK, now I have seen the pic of Caylee w/ Ricardo playing the drums (from article). No bruise.
OK - so then I think that the photo that KC told her mother was Zanny’s apt (really Ricardo’s apt) is the one I referenced # 162:
http://www.clickorlando.com/2009/0602/19638179_120X67.jpg
I believe it is a cell-phone pic and also similar to the 3rd pic on the bruise article. Also, I think it is the pic that Ricardo identified as being taken in January 2008. Bruise under Caylee’s right eye. Not same time frame as the Globe pic.
Blink
Your “on the sofa” comment has driven me to the point where I am beginning to question the sanity of my eyse, because I’m now seeing an A dog. I hope your retouching expert reports in soon . . .
- - eyse
My eyes can’t even spell anymore.
The “they still haven’t found her clothes” statement never made sense to me and I’ve been racking my brain trying to understand the logic of Blink’s theory. I think I’m beginning to get it — Casey goes through the pictures while out of jail, sees this one and decides to frame the person who took it. So she communicates to someone to take the clothes Caylee was wearing in this pic and place them with the body. Then she sells the pic to the Globe, knowing it will be on the front page. Would the timing be right for the degree of decay of the clothes when found?
With this scenario, Casey’s statement still doesn’t make perfect sense, but when has anything Casey said made sense? Was she smart enough to concoct this frame up?? I doubt it, which leads to speculation that someone else was the mastermind — Jose?? Cindy??
Blink
First an A dog, now a Cindy. Time for me to put the photo away.
Blink, in response to #430 steady, do you think Casey sold the pic to the Globe more for the financial aspect, to create an alibi (in her thought process), or both?
Here is a pic of Ricardo with Caylee but cant see her face.
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg
After looking at enough pictures of Caylee with Casey…and knowing that Cindy and Casey had a violent relationship…I believe that Casey was abusive to Caylee. Perhaps a slap here and there, losing her temper, definitely yelling and verbal abuse. Which likely contributed to the Cindy’s case for taking custody of Caylee. (My belief that this was the final catalyst for Casey’s final act of abuse.)
Which would explain that Caylee never seems terribly happy in Casey’s presence. She probably never knew which Mommy she was going to get - the smiling public one or the hot tempered one within the Anthony home.
Poor angel.
SuzeeB - Very plausible scenario IMO.
Thanks for those photobucket links to the cropped photo and the detail of the ‘pierced heart design barrette’.
If anyone is doubting the coincidence of this photo sold, to the find at the crime scene of the same Tee shirt (which, we have heard from Cindy, would not be a common shirt for Caylee with sayings on it, she didn’t know about it, she didn’t know who ‘purchased’ it, and the depos of the family didn’t reveal anyone seeing it before or recognizing it from the cropped photo), what about the coincidence of the ‘BIG TROUBLE’ T-Shirt AND the same little heart designed hair clip out of all that Caylee would have owned.
Not a single coincidence, with a photo that is sold to pre-empt the body find, and to give a way to show it was NOT Casey who did the deed and then sold the photo, but TWO co-incidences in the single SAME photo seen in the Globe– the distinctive shirt and the distinctive ‘HEART’ hair clip (maybe one on each side, but one we KNOW was found with the remains).
(the family has often thrown out little ‘reverse’ notions in their interviews with LE– like Lee calling out his mother for taking the 200 or so in ‘cash’ from Casey’s wallet– makes him look like he will be open with LE by even ‘telling’ on his mom so to speak. And Lee’s and Cindy/Annie’s statements that Annie wasn’t a good friend since she learned how Casey lied– makes you believe Annie will not be trusted too much, or that LE can take Annie’s statements at face value. (NOT!)
Patterns for deception– this photo is the biggie– so ZIP IT!!
(I think it may have been on that ’so called by Cindy’ ZIP DRIVE that Cindy went on and on and on and on about, when Yuri and another detective (not sure who– JA maybe) came to Cindy’s door to ask her some questions. She made them stay outside and talk to her, then ranted on how unprofessional that was of them to question her outside!
Compare: Pg 28 of 40 in the photos of items found with remains http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252744/detail.html
To, Caylee’s barrette in the Globe photo detail found here:
http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu37/whattheL/?action=view¤t=cayleeimage.jpg
That was to thank Gavrielle for those two cropped Globe photo (the Globe page our own Justice23 found for us!)
On June 18th Brian Burner, Casey’s neighbor said she was backed into the garage and borrowed his shovel. According to Cindy’s deposition Part 2 she is asked where she kept the cylinder bag she once used for Caylee’s balls and to describe how she kept everything in the right places. She states they had duct tape and kept it in the garage. She says that the ball bag was kept above the washer and dryer in a plastic bag which she says is now torn pointing to it in the photo shown to her.(maybe some of these torn pieces were some of the ones found in the woods- can they be matched back to that torn bag?) She says also above the w/dryer is a tablecloth she uses to protect peoples clothes from hair when she cuts it.(maybe as someone already stated this is where the fringe hair comes from which was found) she also states that there are separate bins to sort the color/whites from the wash- one for blues one for reds one for whites. She says it took the family awhile to collect enough reds to do a load. The photo of Caylee in the Big Trouble shirt if taken by Ricardo the last time he sees them puts her in that shirt on June 9 (via his statement). Would Caylee’s little pink shirt still be dirty and be separated into the reds? Maybe Caylee wasn’t dressed or did Casey rummage thru the bin in order to find this specific shirt and if so could that account for the red cotten fibers that were found in the wheelwell of the sunfire and on the piece of duct tape Q104 found in the woods but not on Caylee’s remains? Also numerous cat/dog hairs were found- Cindy states that the pet carriers were also kept above the washer and dryer… Hmm
Was this photo taken on Mother’s Day, 2008?
Just because they were over at Chris S.’s house “part” of the day, doesn’t mean she wasn’t also home for “part” of the day with family, after all, there were 3 Anthony mothers at that time.
That t-shirt could have been a gift, maybe from Lee.
“3 Anthony mothers” - - meaning 3 mothers within the Anthony family living in Orlando
SuzeeB….I took a look at the shot of the Globe Magazine story and pic….
It is stated that the infamous pic Blink wrote about was from October 2008. I have a question….may be a stupid one but when I open the pic the file name at the top of the window opened is 9.15.080001. Is that when he sold his story to Globe. Nothing very nice about Crazy. So, is that why the pic taken at his apartment with the clothes her remains were found with was sold to Globe by someone (???) on the defense “team” shortly after….in retaliation to the statements Ricardo had made. I think they were tooting the horn on the run-a-way bus! LOL
kp-in,, from what I have read, chloroform is really reactive and needs to be stored in a glass container, away from the light. (so like a brown glass bottle is ideal)
Sorry, can’t shut up.
A “Mother’s Day” photo of adorable missing Caylee and the “Mom Snapped”, as per the Globe headline, could be worth a few dollars, especially if it has the potential to be used at a future date as “GLOBE EXCLUSIVE: Last Mother’s Day Photo of Killer Mom” (for example only).
Oh, no, I’m alone in Camp Coincidence? Say it ain’t so, Bees!
Lol, won’t be the first or last time…
Bring a blanket, at least until you cross over.
Tee hee.
B
example edit:
“GLOWB EXCLUSIVE: Last Mother’s Day Photo of Baby Caylee with Killer Mom”
(JMO of a possible scenario … nothing like that is ever going to happen)
Scenario Only
If Caylee left that house with no clothes on, on the 15th (just the swim clothes) and (CINDY KNEW IT) then Casey had to put something in the bag or at the site so that she could point the finger that someone else took Caylee. “Casey had to be found with clothes” or her parents (Cindy anyway) would know exactly when it happened.
Now she had no idea how things were going to go down. When George related what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw Caylee, Casey went with it and also the date that Cindy came up with. Then the video discovered then the date change and of course Casey had to go with that date change also.
When casey changed her story to Blanchard Park which I am sure she related to Baez she could have told him that her Dad was mistaken about what Caylee was wearing that day or she could have told him she had an alternative outfit in the back pack ( you know the one with the monkeys on it that was never found) An extra pair of striped shorts and a pink T shirt with big problems comes small. She just might have a photo of it in her collection.
So the Globe could have been told that scenario or something like that anyhow. Therefore it would be presented to The Globe the possibility that if Caylee was ever found it “could be” with those clothes. I am not sure anyone asked Casey “What was in the back pack?” Don’t forget she had 31 days to come up with some kind of a plan or at least options depending on how things fell into place. And then she was in and out of jail what 3 times. And 5 months before Caylee was found. At any rate, you can always lie lie lie, denigh, denigh until you do. And you could always drop off a pair of striped shorts at the site on an early morning jog if the cell pings fit. Or whatever. She forgot the shoes. God knows what she told Baez.
I still don’t think Caylee had the clothes on her body.
I’m trying, kleat, but am still seeing the Mars face.
Curious GG,
Why are you not entirely a Blink site fan? What’s not to like at a site that allows open discussions, deters personal attacks and is tolerant of anyone trying to contribute in an honest fashion?
I think that may have been a typo error, but fair question.
B
wpgmouse, Lee was shown the photograph of Caylee wearing the shirt and he did not recognize it– if he gave it to her, he would have seen the writing and the pink colour– cropped it was enough to recognize the shirt if one had seen her in it, especially if it was a gift from that person.
I repeat my question about why a baby girl would call her favourite dolly, ‘mama’?? I’d previously asked what Cays called Casey, and Cindy explained it in her depo–
Q: Okay. What did she call her mother?
A: “Mom,” “mama,” “mommy”.
Q: “Mama”? Okay….
Personally, I dont find that odd for her age. She may have been referring to her self as mama to her doll. I love that doll, I have a curious attatchment to it, I admit. Not sure what that says about me.
Maybe the symbol that at least I can glean some peace that Caylee was attatched to something that brought her happiness and love.
B
Sue, I used to think she ultimately dumped the body just before the car wound up at Amscot, but these days I am relying on the 2.6 days of very early decomp the fbi says is in the car, so am thinking she dumped the body on the 18th or 19th. I don’t think it was moved. Where she dumped the body appears to be the textbook dumping ground when mothers murder their kids (close to home, in the woods, etc.). Since it would have decomposed so quickly in the FL heat, possibly becoming skeletonized in as little as two weeks, I don’t think there was a big window to work with in terms of moving it hither and yon very easily.
I think the decomp that spilled in the car from those initial few days caused a smell that got worse and worse as time went on (must have seemed to casey like the blood spots that wouldn’t come off Lady Macbeth’s hands, ha). Especially when it sat closed up, say at Amscot and then the tow yard. Maybe she did try to clean the trunk from time to time in mid June and the smell kept creeping back, but maybe it wasn’t overwhelming until she left it closed up for lo those many days.
I think she really did run out of gas though (now was that an accident, or did she purposely drive around until she ran out of gas in order to dump the car for a bit? I dunno.) The gas gauge was working, according to the FBI’s test (they put gas in it and watched the needle move, basically) and it seems like it was legitimately empty at the tow yard until Geo put gas in it and when LE took it).
Question? Has any documentation been released from time period Father’s day June 15,2008 4:00 PM thru June 16, 2008 7:00 AM on the where abouts of LA,CA,GA & KC Like statements, demeanors, eyewitnesses, cell phone pings?
Interesting contradiction between what Cindy answered to the question what did Caylee call Mallory?
Cindy replied: “Aunt Mallory.”
A 32 month old baby saying ‘aunt’ and ‘Mallory’??… and it’s a complete contradiction to what George had said, as a more believable ‘Maww-eey’ for a baby.
Cindy uses a formal ‘Aunt’, not Auntie, or Maww-eey, or Auntie Maww-eey. So formal, and not believable for a baby learning to talk. (I believe George’s version, it makes sense, Cindy’s version does not make sense. Would Cindy have some sort of ‘distance’ or ‘formality’ with Mallory, another woman in her son’s life to not give the same answer as George? Strange– maybe some friction there…. under the surface… tolerated publicly because of Lee, who stated that Cindy and Casey come over and above gf Mallory in his own state depo (and he said ’sorry’ to her on the record).
Jealousy perhaps at some level, with Lee’s favourite, his mom?
Cindy said about Casey: “They call her “mom”. All her friends call her “mom”. (as explained by Cindy in past LE interviews, and mentioned by Casey in jailhouse videos, Casey was the one to make sure everyone was behaving themselves in essense, she was the one to take care of them when they partied, she drove home etc, wasn’t the drinker in the crowd, etc.
(if Caylee had such a good “mom” figure, who was mom even to her own group of friends, why did Caylee need to call her babydoll, “mama”. Kids pick strange names, I guess– but why has this doll no separate identity from all the mother’s in the CMA household– maybe someone with child psychology can help out with this– maybe it’s nothing, or common??)
B
You are always respectful of the baby. I understand but could that also imply that the baby wasn’t ‘whole’ when tossed away or landing hard on the ground or was she gently placed on the ground? I guess you know what I am saying.
No, the evidence actually shows her to be intact at placement, imo. The postmortem fracture appears to be following full rigor, which again leads me to believe occurred upon impact (flung). I know this is not a popular opinion, but in my mind, puts her moving the body into the woods on 6/23 or 6/24.
B
#441 Granmomma
What the Date is that the picture or collection of pictures was sold I dont know. I would imagine it was well before October.
The date that the picture was actually taken I would imagine it to be sometime in Feb thru March of 2008, but guessing. I think the bruise on Caylees face is the clue.
The Globe issue is October 20th. I dont know who the “He” is. I am not sure who took the picture. I am not sure the picture is not doctored in some way. I think the implication is that Ricardo took the picture. I am not sure about that. Blink thinks the picture was taken at the Anthony’s home.
I am very curious to see what is in the background of that photo the part behind Caylee. Waiting for Blinks photo specialist to come thru. I dont think the Anthony’s couch will be in the background, but I have been wrong a time or two. I would think you would need some sophisticated software or the negative to figure it out but I am no expert, thats for sure.
One thing I cant figure out is why only now Thanks to Blink and Justice and perhaps Mom of 3 was this just discovered.
With all the people interested in this case CINDY why has no one linked the Globe picture to the crime scene before this. Except for LE of course. Maybe the Globes sales are down.
I cant say for certain it is the A’s home, I will explain when I post the few images and comments. I agree the timing on the bruise is the clue.
B
Gavrielle and Blink and Kleat
I had to read Kleat’s comments a few times . . . I did not understand which 2 links were being referenced. Now I do, and I apologize for not opening your supplied links when you first posted them. I misunderstood Blink’s response to you, and “assumed” (yes, “assumed”) you were both referencing the same, “one and only” cropped image that we have been focusing on. Gavrielle, again, great find.
I also then “assumed” from Kleat’s post that the heart clip was the issue the “photo retouching expert” was checking on. Kleat, you had the focus to check Gavrielle’s links. Good going.
So, Blink, not to assume anything, but I take it there is more to come.
Who’s photobucket is that, by the way, because those details were of a much higher resolution. Were they taken from the original Cover Awards link, perchance?
re: photobucket
Blink
Never mind. That’s okay. I just spotted the title within that photobucket of “whattheL”.
Time for me to retire.
Speaking of the father of Caylee, Cindy confirms my early suspicion, that she did not want to share Caylee by allowing the paternal family to have a relationship with Caylee.
Cindy said (state depo p 178): “The three of us decided we did not want anybody to have that.”
Q by Mr. Ashton: To have what?
A by Cindy: To have a relationship with Caylee. They weren’t involved, so we thought it was best for them not to be.
(now THAT selfish decision may have not been the best, for Caylee’s sake)
#356 Kleat, I am confused; could you please expound on your comment about “Cindy’s unplanned admission re: car, dead body.” What lies, and to whom, started before the 9/11 calls? Do you mean before that day or just before the calls on that day? Was Cindy’s My Space July 3 lament part of the plan, a warning to Casey that they knew what had happened? Or before that, George’s “gas cans theft” report to LE?
Okay, last question…what about all the gardening and paving activity at the house around the early part of July(3rd-4th?) Do you think Geo. and Cindy found something very troubling in the yard which made them put the wagons in a circle and commence the plan? My gosh, they don’t do it very well. It’s a mess.
Denial of the pregnancy until the last moment, as nurse Cindy did not know Casey was pregnant, although it was obvious to Rick and others. (Cindy believed Casey’s stories and ‘proof’ she was still having periods– so Cindy had that ‘Casey-said-so proof’).
Denial of pregnancy to anyone and everyone until the last moment, could this have had anything to do with keeping knowledge of the baby from the potential father– until the family could arrange with their lawyer, to circumvent the father’s rights?
Cindy says: “No one ever came forward to say they were– Caylee’s father.” p. 180 (this is a pattern with Cindy– it was up to the father to know Casey was having his baby as they all kept this a tightly held secret until the last possible moment, then they got total control not to share Caylee with anyone, even if something happened to Casey, the grandparents had legal possession. The father, whomever he was, never had much of a chance to learn about the pregnancy. All info came from Casey, about the father not wanting to be involved, etc. Deception, secrecy, and lies.)
Next episode in 100 Hopes Spring Drive will reveal the name of the attorney who arranged to subvert the father’s rights… or will it…. Tune in for part two of ‘Going Down with Drane’… or… ‘You Can Bet your Ashton, by George!!’
Lol, you know I await the opportunity to use those, giving full credit of course-
B
To Randie post # 339 There was rain and thunderstorms on July 15th, 2008 the day George picked up the car..docstoc.com has the weather for orlando all I did was go to the sight and type in june 2008 in Orlando florida and it came up with june, july and august weather, for anyone interested. Also tells you the high and lows for each day.
(if the State of Florida has a Wills Registry, which would give the name of the firm and will location, the wills of Casey, George and Cindy should be registered, and the name of the attorney who prepared or notarized the documents, should be available by subpoena, shouldn’t they? Is Mr. Ashton just asking a question to which he knows the answer already– and testing Cindy’s level of co-operation?)
“I have also considered it is simply what was in the laundry bag when she put her in it.
B”
Blinking Thinking…makes perfect sense!
I haven’t heard a peep on tv about The Globe Story or about the Anthony’s cruise other than that one article. What’s up with that? Could I have missed it? Anybody???
re: fringe hairs, I had assumed they meant limb hairs or really short neck hairs, etc., but after seeing them interpreted as cut hairs here, I looked it up and found a super cool article in the July 2000 issue of Forensic Science Communications called “Hairs, Fibers,
Crime, and Evidence” by Douglas W. Deedrick, Unit Chief, Trace Evidence Unit, Federal Bureau of Investigation.
They’re not limb hairs (those get their own designation) but sure enough they include neck hairs:
Fringe Hairs
Hairs originating from areas of the body outside those specifically designated as head or pubic are generally not suitable for significant comparison purposes. These hairs might originate from the neck, sideburns, abdomen, upper leg, and back.
Limb Hairs
Hairs from the legs and arms constitute limb hairs. These hairs are shorter in length, arc-like in shape, and often abraded or tapered at the tips. The pigment in limb hair is generally granular in appearance, and the medulla is trace to discontinuous.
While limb hairs are not routinely compared in a forensic laboratory, they can differ in appearance between individuals. These differences, however, are not considered sufficient to allow limb hairs to be of value for meaningful comparison purposes. The presence of leg or arm hairs on certain items of evidence may help to corroborate other investigative information.
Other Body Area Hairs
Axillary (underarm) hairs, chest hairs, eye hairs, and nose hairs are not routinely compared. As with limb hairs and fringe hairs, their presence may help to corroborate information obtained during an investigation.
snip
Has a nice pic of a postmortem root band, too, and discussion of animal hair. http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july2000/deedric1.htm
There’s also a great article on fibers by the same dude. http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july2000/deedric3.htm
# 436_
Kleat
YOUR QUOTE
“(the family has often thrown out little ‘reverse’ notions in their interviews with LE– like Lee calling out his mother for taking the 200 or so in ‘cash’ from Casey’s wallet– makes him look like he will be open with LE by even ‘telling’ on his mom so to speak. And Lee’s and Cindy/Annie’s statements that Annie wasn’t a good friend since she learned how Casey lied– makes you believe Annie will not be trusted too much, or that LE can take Annie’s statements at face value. (NOT!)”
I felt that there was a great deal of purpose behind Lee’s statement that he used “ploys”, and had “worked one person against another”. I am of the opinion that part of that testimony was designed, however, to discount his statements made to Tony under concealed wire and video. In that video, he tells Tony that Casey “lies for no reason”. Having been caught with such negative, albeit refreshing honesty, he has to now set up a reason for having said that. Mark my words, he will now try to say that he said that ONLY to get Tony to tell him about Casey, and that he really didn’t mean it.
# 438_Momof3/EVERYONE
YOUR QUOTE:
“Cindy states that the pet carriers were also kept above the washer and dryer… Hmm”
A little OT, but related:
Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I vaguely recall that sometime after everything went down, the Anthonys had replaced a broken washing machine. Does anyone remember this, or was this speculative? Or have I lost it?
# 439_wpgmouse
YOUR QUOTE:
”
That t-shirt could have been a gift, maybe from Lee.”
I was thinking that either 1. Casey bought the shirt, or 2. it was a gift from the Grunds or Ricardo. Cindy was trying to distance herself from that shirt. She, (paraphrased), said that Caylee didn’t have any tops with lettering. Can they show that someone else bought it? Or are they trying to implicate the phantom nanny, who “had a whole separate stash of clothing for Caylee” at her place? In my opinion, it wasn’t Lee who purchased the shirt.
# 444_suz
YOUR QUOTE:
“Oh, no, I’m alone in Camp Coincidence? Say it ain’t so, Bees!”
suz, I haven’t come to an absolute conclusion as to whether that photo was sold coincidentally yet. However, the family is distancing themselves from the shirt, and the photo, so something gives.
# 436_
Kleat
YOUR QUOTE
“(the family has often thrown out little ‘reverse’ notions in their interviews with LE– like Lee calling out his mother for taking the 200 or so in ‘cash’ from Casey’s wallet– makes him look like he will be open with LE by even ‘telling’ on his mom so to speak. And Lee’s and Cindy/Annie’s statements that Annie wasn’t a good friend since she learned how Casey lied– makes you believe Annie will not be trusted too much, or that LE can take Annie’s statements at face value. (NOT!)”
I wanted to add that, in my opinion, with Lee & Cindy, that they appear to expect loyalty to an extreme absurd level. Even in the case with Amy and her stolen checks, they felt that she should have stood by Casey regardless of the damage done to her. I think it is the mindset of,” You’re either with us, or against us”. Anyone “not with them” and not completely on board with their position is an enemy and “not to be trusted”.
Remember when one of Casey’s friend (can’t remember his name) saw her jogging on Hopespring, maybe Casey went to where she dumped Caylee and threw in the clothes, since we know Caylee had no clothes on.
# 452_Anita
“Remember when one of Casey’s friend (can’t remember his name) saw her jogging on Hopespring, maybe Casey went to where she dumped Caylee and threw in the clothes, since we know Caylee had no clothes on.”
If Maura was around, she might be able to answer that. I know she did pings and time lines, etc. If I get ambitious, maybe I’ll try to find it.
“Next episode in 100 Hopes Spring Drive will reveal the name of the attorney who arranged to subvert the father’s rights… or will it…. Tune in for part two of ‘Going Down with Drane’… or… ‘You Can Bet your Ashton, by George!!’”
KLEAT
What was up with that earlier evidence photo (it looked like George’s reflection in the window) of an sttorney’s group office? Or was that the group that set up the non-profit?
I have had the privledge (UGH) of smelling human decomp…..its something you will NEVER forget. Papa dearest knew damn well what that smell was. I have always asked what kinda cop was he if even thinks it was PIZZA? I assure you all decomp and rotting pizza are to very different lovely scents. This whole family are a bunch of liars. They have more stories then a book of Grimm fairy tales. I can understand the wanting to believe your daughter didn’t do it. BUT…..for godsakes ……Morons….Just who are they trying to save? I still believe Casey will cop a plea. But a needle in her arm would be sweet!
Blink
So whatever happened to the poster that said her friend on AOl had the photo for a year? Is this a person that normally posts here? Seems like they made the statement and then hauled out. I really wanted to know the answer to my questions.
I still dont understand that post, sorry, again, I believe they are referring to the cropped image, but if they are stating they have the full image, why wouldn’t they still have it?
B
#469 Blink
Agreed, that was strange. I wanted to know if this person had found it in a photo bucket, whatever, before they were deleted.
The more I mess around with both the cropped and uncropped images - the more I think that is a tendril of hair I see and not a bruise. JMO
My guess is the fringe hairs tie the bags , etc to the family garage, where everyone got their hair cut, right? Maybe they have a mix of hair clippings from Cindy, Caylee or Casey.
They asked an awful lot of questions of Cindy about dying her hair,etc. If that is the case, it will be difficult to say that a stranger went into the garage to get the bags.
Lee thought that he was brilliant in his investigations, but in his misadventures, he actually helps the state by confirming over and over again, that Casey’s demeanor was normal and happy. He later tries to explain this in a subversive manner, that Casey and George always act happy-go-lucky even if something is wrong. But that argument falls flat, in the video when Casey is crying, standing next to Baez, while he is giving the speech about Casey being a victim. It demonstrated that she was quite capable of showing emotion when something was impacting her on a personal level.
Just one quick question…..the reason I think Spindy knew on July 15th. She says she had talked to Crazy but not seen her, so when you pick up a car at a tow company and you haven’t seen your daughter or granddaughter in over a month. And you already know your daughter is not your best friend (as Spindy would like for us all to believe) and you are warned by the tow yard employee/owner about the odor. Why oh why would you even move the car? Wouldn’t a concerned parent call the police immediately?
I “ABSOLUTELY” think they ALL knew before July 15th. Spindy wanted to report the car stolen first, so they could get the attention of the smell that was in the car off of Crazy…..JMO, of course.
A thread or 2 ago- a poster claimed they had heard on TV that this case was being treated as a “sex crime”. What goes with that? The first thought that entered my mind- as sick as it is- was….. hmmmmmmmm no clothes on the child? What are your thoughts?
That is incorrect, it had to do with someone working on the case’s title. It is common for multiple areas to contribute to the caseload.
B
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/08/pictures-of-caylee/ Here are 3 different pics of bruises under Caylee’s eyes. What is the coincidence of that? At least 1 looks like a cigarette burn to me.
I truly think the cell phone records from July 3rd till July 15th will answer my last question for me. Because if Spindy had not spoken with Crazy, which I got the feeling that she hadn’t, because in her depo she said that she started her myspace page so maybe she could get Crazy to talk to her. So if you picked up your daughter’s car at the tow yard with that atrocious smell, why would you want to take it home and clean it and then find your daughter?
Spindy and George knows what the “death smell” is!
Gran, can I ask you to not do the name calling thing please? Their real names is fine, its just my thing.
tia
B
Suz - #450:
You know..something just struck me as I read your post.
If Casey dumped the body - and then came back to the house a few times to try and clean the car:
The car must have already smelled.
The smell must have lingered in the garage - even after she left..don’t you think?
So, would George or Cindy have smelled that upon coming home…and that began the “where is Casey and Caylee…something is wrong?”
“Conway says the search is still on for the mysterious nanny named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, who Casey claims to have disappeared with Caylee.”
http://www.wftv.com/news/21338069/detail.html
Come on now seriously does Brad Reeeeaaalllyy believe that Zanny is still out there?
Sure Blink……….sorry!
TY
B
I think the bruise on the face is really fresh- like minutes old- and it does look like a corner of a table bruise. My daughter’s had one before as a toddler- I still remember because I kept thinking- “she could have lost an eye- oh my god”. Can you tell I was a nervous mom? LOL
Blink - any more articles in the works?
I know you had talked about doing one regarding the stain in the trunk. Are you still planning on doing that?
Thanks!
I am, eventually. I have 3 diff projects I am involved in right now. I am going to try to take a “for real” break this weekend and just be mom.
B
Phew, thanks, Bees. I’m saving a sleeping bag and some s’mores for you just in case. Of course, you never know, I might be persuaded to come to the other side…like if I see a bear or some more evidence or something. In the meantime, I’ll tough it out alone, holding my lone candle in the darkness. Bravely. WAIT—-WHAT WAS THAT NOISE???!!
debkit,
Since George said it was raining, and the weather “documents” that it was raining…….then why lie about it? For cindy to make that comment is beyond me.
On one of these post/threads someone made a clever assessment. It was regarding (some tooth Cindy is making claims about).
When I went to bed last night I couldn’t get that comment out of my head.
Cindy says something about the worng number of teeth were with the child in the woods………so it obviously couldn’t be her grandaughter. Welllllllll……
What about the obvious barret?
What about the obvious shorts?
What about the obvious brown hair?
What about the obvious “tape”?
But, most importantly, what about the obvious pink shirt???
As the poster brought out…..”coincidence” that all those are the same as her grandaughters?????
MOTIVE
Casey wanted to get out of that house. She had fantasies of living with Amy. She had fantasies of her parents moving out. She stayed away as much as possible, moving in with new boyfriends in rapid fashion, etc. Staying over random friend’s homes. Creating a “job” where she was required to work days and evenings, and to be away for long periods of time. She wasn’t a drunk, drug addict, or anything else. She found new loves, looking for the best opportunity to escape home. Caylee was the link to Cindy and home; Cindy said “she is our child too”. Cindy had Caylee cremated in direct conflict with Casey’s wishes to visit a grave site. Even with her daughter’s death, Casey was denied self determination.
Casey could never break from Cindy with Caylee around. Cindy was looking to take over custody of Caylee. Casey would never feel that she ‘looked right’ leaving Caylee behind with Cindy and George. It would be contrary to her ‘Mom of the group’ persona. Perhaps she also felt that Cindy would be too controlling with Caylee as well. Maybe she didn’t want history to repeat itself. The only way to make a complete break, would be to remove the one element that had her inextricably tethered to the domineering control of that house, and that was Caylee. I think that that is the MOTIVE more than the life of partying. I think the partying was a celebration of freedom from control. I can’t say whether I believe that it was premeditated in an instance of rage, or over time. But I have stepped away from considering an accidental death.
461 Comment by Kleat — October 22, 2009 @ 2:18 am
“Denial of the pregnancy until the last moment, as nurse Cindy did not know Casey was pregnant, although it was obvious to Rick and others. (Cindy believed Casey’s stories and ‘proof’ she was still having periods– so Cindy had that ‘Casey-said-so proof’).”
Kleat I just returned home a home visit back in the states, I met up with a best friend, her 14 year old daughter had a baby last year, she did not realize her daughter was pregnant (as she claims) she said she didn’t notice until her daughter had try outs for cheerleading and had to wear tight shorts and a bra top, when she walked out of the locker room the coach was the one who pointed to my friends daughter and asked her “Is She Pregnant” I asked my friend how did you not know how could you not tell, she says she wore baggy clothes all the time, her daughter gave birth 20 days later, she was at full term for crying out loud…LAME Excuse I believe my friend was rowing the boat down the (de)NIAL, she was a good Christian Lady and No Way was her lil girl pregO, sick and sad part about it, other then the 14 year old raising a baby, is the father was 19…no charges brought, lets just sweep that one under the rug shall we…makes me sick and so angry, it is better to keep your good standing with friends and neighbors then place your dirty laundry all over the front yard for everyone to see. Sound like anyone we know?
I believe Cindy knew but didn’t want to know, she didn’t want to admit that her precious angel was a lil bit of a loosey goosey, will hide it until the baby comes then we have this beautiful little baby and everyone will be so GaGa over the baby and the positive attention will totally out weigh the negative and everyone will forget to ask any questions.
Blink,
I have read this thread with great care and IMHO I still see a different motive behind the selection of that picture.
I think Casey picked it because she liked the way she looked in it.
I keep seeing references to Casey that alternately picture her as an evil criminal mastermind or a self centered idiot.
I see Casey as the latter - a self-centered person who simply cannot see things from a perspective other than her own. If we assume this is possible, isn’t it also possible that she could look at that picture and not even notice, care, or even remember (I think she knows) that this was the shirt that poor little girl was wearing (or was close to her) at the end of her short life - because all Casey really noticed was herself?
I think that it has always been all about Casey and that any actions or decisions she makes should be considered from that perspective.
Regarding the “odds” of that picture being used - IMHO terms such as “astronomical” do not accurately characterize the true odds of the event in question.
- There are a finite number of “face” photos that show both Casey and Caylee (IMHO a key factor driving the final selection that may have been driven by the purchaser.)
- There are only so many tops that poor Caylee had. I am a father and remember how a young toddler could go through a mountain of tops in a single day - but there are still only so many on hand. How often were they washed and reused? Were there favorites that were washed often and worn daily (I remember some of these with my kids when they were young)?
- We always had a big pile of tops - but the truth is that certain tops were used for certain things, and we always had a big pile of too small - still too big - too stained, etc. So, the truth is that for any persion in time there are really oly so many tops that would be possibles.
- While the odds may certainly be long - I would not call them astronomical. And I think folks are considering this from the view of thousands of pictures, any of which may have been selected. I think if you reduce this to the number of face shots with just Casey and Caylee, where Casey really likes the way she looks, you are already dealing with a much smaller pool of possible pictures.
I think all that Casey sees when she looks at that picture - to this day - is her own face.
And I also think that only she would be self-centered and dumb enough to pick a picture for national publication - that she knows shows the shirt she was buried with - because Casey likes the way she looks in it.
As I said, JMHO. So please be nice.
Clint
Clint-
welcome to blinkoncrime.com.
So I am clear, your saying you agree Casey sold the photo herself, just not necessarily the reason for it?
tia
B
Is it possible that of the cell phone records that have been released….some may have been redacted? Does anyone know if any of the family saw or talked to Casey after the first of July? I know the Cindy testified to talking to her (Casey) daily, but do we know that to be a fact? Or, could it be a half-truth, a mistruth or whatever Cindy likes to call lies?
Blink, I am really sorry to offend you.
I will wait and see if anyone answers and then I will just lurk. I feel terrible. There was no ill intentions intended. I just try in every way possible to find the humor in everything.
No problem, no offense taken, it’s all good. I am not a fan of this families actions, and this may not make sense to some, but they are still Caylee’s family and she loved them. I feel like when we “personalize” it, it is disrespectful for the only people she knew and loved and further disrespects her. They dont seem to care about doing that to her memory, so I just feel obligated to on here. jmho-
B
To funny you got to love WFTV for keeping it real…
I hope the Anthony’s fired their PR Rep after this Stunt, he should have stopped them before they dialed 1-800- Liar’s Travel Agency and made their reservations.
Blink, I know you hate name calling so I am going to chill…1 thing though is “Fools” consider name calling? Just asking.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21338069/detail.html
“Puerto Rico is, I would say, the focus for the Zenaida Gonzalez that Casey Anthony speaks of, and that’s as far as I can go,” Conway previously said.
But Puerto Rico was not on the Anthonys’ itinerary when they cruised with their friends. They only went as far as Nassau, 738 miles from Puerto Rico, just an hour and a half flight time.
“It raises the question, why are the parents not in Puerto Rico or spending that money on the investigation to help further the research into finding Zenaida Gonzalez, or the alleged Zenaida Gonzalez, in Puerto Rico?” Dorner questioned.
Teri, most people want to strike ME after reading my posts, so I’m glad you had a different reaction (feeling punchy today, ignore me, lol).
Yes, that’s a good point, but isn’t it the case that Casey “never” backed her car into the garage, except on the day she borrowed the neighbor’s shovel. And I would think she would want to back it in if cleaning the trunk.
I do think the smell got increasingly worse with time and heat and especially when the windows were rolled up, so is it possible that it wasn’t HORRID that early on? Perhaps she would smell a little something, then pour some Arm and Hammer in the trunk, do a little scrubbing, throw in some fabric softener sheets, drive with the windows down, and the odor would sort of go away for a bit. That’s what I had to do when I spilled an entire bottle of milk in my car in the summertime. I would think I had gotten it all out each time I cleaned it each morning, and then when I got off work and back into my car, oy veh! Still bad. Then I’d clean it again, and overnight it come back.
So maybe it wasn’t bad enough that she thought she had to do anything other than 1) put decoy trash in there and 2) make up the dead squirrel story. If it had smelled as bad as it did when Geo and Cin found it, I think she would have ripped out the carpet in the trunk.
No disrespect to lil Caylee I promise I stand with you and everyone else fighting for Justice for this baby, I just read your statement to “Gran” I apologize for the Fools statement, I just can’t help but to be just raging angry and just pop off at the mouth when it comes to these people who have lied lied lied, make money off their murder grandchild and there are hard working honest folks out there who can’t get a job, single mothers out there taking care of their babies alone, soldiers dying in the desert for freedom and the rights of all people (Casey included)…and the A’s are kickin it on a cruise ship, working on their tans, drinking margarita’s, dancin on the Pramada Deck doing the limbo. How do you not just want shake the chicken snot out of them?
Is it me or the more information that is coming out and the more damning the information is, the crazier the antics get with these people? Is there a term for this kind of behavior? And I am not buying “ugly coping”.
dee and kleat, I am so torn over Cindy and how much is denial, how much is naivete, and how much is just plain lies. I do know a woman who is 100% gullible about whatever her children tell her—to the point that it seems pathological. She just does not ever doubt their word.
Cindy reminds me of that, but then there are times that she is totally on to Casey and her antics, so I don’t think she is as gullible as my acquaintance. I thought we read later (re: the pregnancy) that Cindy actually knew about it well before the family get together when Casey was 7 mos. along, and thus was just trying to cover it up. (Bald face lying must be a family practice—and it can be effective.) I can’t recall where I read that (maybe an earlier version from Lee?).
But with the teeth and the clothes and the “maybe she’s not dead” thing—I think Cindy might do that (unconsciously) to mentally protect herself. I think the truth is just too much for her sometimes and she just snaps back into denial, like a reflex. That’s what happens under stress—you revert to protective behaviors.
Same with being mad at LE for making Casey their nearly sole suspect from the beginning. I think her reasoning is something like, “Ok, she may be guilty, BUT they really should have looked at other possibilities just on principle, and I’m mad that they didn’t seem to. So I still want them to check other possibilities even though there’s all this evidence against Casey, just to be fair.”
I don’t think it’s anything she can help doing, or that she is even totally aware of. But, who knows. I think we need a mental health professional to chime in.
# 496_suz
Maybe Caylee’s body had been decomposing for a day or two in another (sealed) container, and then was loaded into the car trunk only to carry it away for disposal. Some seepage could have occurred at that point creating the smell in the car later.Perhaps this occurred during removal of the remains from another container, and there was only ‘drippings’. That might account for the lack of evidence. If there was only minimal leakage, perhaps she didn’t consider that it would continue to ‘ripen’. I think Maura discounts this theory, but could it be possible?
Adding to my last note (smell), the Anthonys tend to love those plastic bins. Could Caylee have been stored in one with a tight seal? Didn’t Casey have one in her trunk? What happened to that? Was it recovered?
I have read that some people think that it is a curl and not a bruise on Caylee’s face in the photo. I couldn’t imagine why it would make any difference because the evidence IS the photo. The more I thought about it, I began to realize a bruise or sore would give a time frame for when the photo was taken. In all probability it was taken in March 2008 or before based on Ricardo’s statement. If it is the same bruise and there are more than one photogragh of it(apparently there are several), then the photo was NOT taken after June 16, 2008.
#491- One of Casey’s many lies was her and Amy getting the Anthony house. I had thoughts that Casey’s plans were to off her mom and dad and live happily ever after in her family home.
What gets me is how brazen she was about lying. I mean- come on- she’s gonna lie about that, about the check and money thefts and go on about her business thinking she won’t get called out on it? Lord have mercy.
I pre-ordered Diane Fanning’s new book on Casey coming out November 3rd, I think. I thought maybe it might have some insights that we’ve not seen? Not sure, but should be interesting- I like Ms Fanning.
In everyone’s opinion, do you all think that putting Caylee in that specific shirt with that phrase on it, was some sort of twisted statement from Casey, claiming she no longer had to deal with “big trouble” for her?
WestSideHudson #491
You nailed MOTIVE, in my opinion. TonE was just the latest person that she fixated on to be her ticket out of the Anthony house. Another example was the fixation and “miscarriage” drama at the “Anything But Clothes Party” with the guy named Brandon that occurred not too long before she met TonE. I remember reading in the discovery that one of her friends said Casey had “imagined” this life with Brandon. And that noone believed her that she really had a miscarriage. Very telling, IMO. Also telling is the fact that she then fixated on a guy who was not ready for kids. At this point Caylee was murdered. I think all of the other “stuff” with her mother probably gave further justification to her warped mind.
It is so bizarre that Conway would say they are still looking for the real Zanny. What are the odds that they will try to tie poor little Somer’s murder to Zanny? Wasn’t it a Hispanic woman (and two men) who tried to snatch another little girl near where poor Somer was kidnapped?
Dee…..I’m with you on the statement at 11:05 a.m.! May I ask….are you the Dee that was at crimesearchers online? Just curious! I know “that” Dee really did alot of blogging about giving the family the benefit of the doubt. Just wondered if maybe that was you and you’ve had a huge change of heart.
Blink, I understand your position. I truly do, and I will be good while I’m visiting your site!
Continuing on the fixation and drama theme - it seems to me that Casey demonstrates a good bit of histrionic behavior. Enough has come out in discovery (friends accounts of her, Tracy M’s assessment of her, etc) that it seems safe to say that some personality disorder was in play here. And I think the defense might be trying to play this up by having her and Andrea Lyon appearing in court posing as twins. But obviously this doesn’t rise to the level of insanity needed for an insanity defense. Are they jusy trying to gain sympathy for her by doing this?? I wonder if anyone has told Casey what people really think about her ‘dress up” games????
wpgmouse, not the Anthony sun porch for sure– that was just a first impression from the ‘window’ idea, but not a window, it’s a picture, plus, the window shapes and sizes on the porch are all wrong for this photo– thanks.
Dee– you think that IF someone got a quarter million dollars for publication rights of the photos/videos that Cindy had in her possession to use (boxes of them was one description from mos. ago), that this money could pry loose the tightest lips in Puerto Rico?!?!! ESPECIALLY since the baby was still just said to be ‘missing’ and could have been in Puerto Rico according to the Anthony camp.
If the Anthony’s, took themselves, George included, and went to Puerto Rico, with a sack of money and promises of ‘no questions asked’– just return baby to us, or provide info leading to rescue of our baby, that this wouldn’t have had a very good chance of turning a few critical stones in the case had the baby been there, or had the (according to the A theory) perp moved ‘back’. That is an incredible amount of money by any standards, for reward for info from the residents of PR.
wsh, re your 473, no idea what photo you mean, sorry missed that one
suz, it will be really interesting to hear everything the tow yard guy has to say during trial in regards to th smell in the trunk, he, other then the A’s, got he first whif, so he can explain it better than anyone. Amazing that he has not been thrown under the Anthony Wipe Out Bus, hope my post doesn’t give Baez any ideas, I mean the list of suspects is growing each and everyday.
Seriously Kleat, rotfl, I am trying to be subtle.
I see the 300 lb elephant! I see it!
B
gran, I am the dee in Germany I only have ever posted here and scared monkey’s…
Kleat are you sprechen to me?
Okay, I MUST ask these questions again because it is making me CRAZY.
Can someone PLEASE help me out here before I go NUTS. I have been following this case since day 1 and pretty much have understood everything that is going on UNTIL NOW. There are a handful of things that I am just not getting. PLEASE HELP.
1. What is the significance of George and him placing or not placing duct tape on the gas cans. Over the hole or whatever?
2. What is the significance of Lee, his truck and the gas cans?
3. Are we completely ruling out that Lee had anything to do with helping Casey in any way after the fact?
4. What is the significance of the lanyard?
Any guidance that anyone can give me would be MOST appreciated.PLEASE SOMEONE.
What is Mama doll doing in the trunk? I know how easily children’s toys can end up almost anywhere, but for a doll that was part of the Caylee’s cherished top 3 that she had to have in plain sight, I repeat – what was it doing in the trunk?
Codes, clues and cryptograms – I’m of the opinion there are none. As much as the Anthony’s would have us believe that Casey was capable of thinking and talking in complex riddles and metaphors, Lee seems to be the one to lead the thinking in that direction. In his 7/25 jailhouse visit with Casey, he is the one who suggests that her computer passwords might contain clues. She looks confused for a second and then quickly jumps on the bandwagon – why, yes they do! The same with asking her who to trust. She’s nothing more than a bad actress who, because she knows she’s being videoed, wants us to think she’s talking in clues and telling us something profound by following Lee’s lead. Although I concede that she may have been panicking at this point that Caylee’s body would soon be found, and decided she was going to have to find a way to share her knowledge with her family.
Batphones and The Walls Have Ears – Now if you honestly had nothing to hide and wanted to cooperate with LE, why would you need to obtain batphones (the terminology alone makes me wince because by definition, it implies subterfuge) to have protected conversations or hide in the bathroom to talk? In her depo, Cindy said she was never really alone with Casey to ask her any specific questions as to what happened to Caylee. But in the same depo, Cindy also said Casey slept in Cindy’s room on an air matress next to the bed. Are we to believe that these two never had any late night conversations about the missing baby’s whereabouts? Isn’t that why Casey was brought home to begin with – to help find the baby?
Pregnancy test – Unless I’ve missed it, I haven’t seen any forensics on the pregnancy kit found at the site on Suburban Dr. Do we know if it has been tied to Casey? I can’t shake the feeling that this is yet another invisible piece to the puzzle. If Casey thought she was pregnant with Tony’s baby (the third unlit star in Bella Vita tattoo?), this brings a whole other dynamic to the episode.
I thought mama was in the car seat, or did I get that wrong?
B
#462 Kleat
“Tune in for part two of ‘Going Down with Drane’… or… ‘You Can Bet your Ashton, by George!!’”
LOL! Thanks for the comic relief.
#324 wsh. Gotcha. I just wasn’t sure where the theory that the shirt was too small for Caylee sprang from and was just trying to understand it and if it did originate from facts that I missed. I know you didn’t present it as fact. I enjoy reading your ideas and analysis.
And of course, I’m in agreement that Anthony claims have no credibility. My point was, that if they were claiming they didn’t see the shirt, then the notion that it was too small couldn’t have come from them.
suz, what that movie with what’s his name “you can’t handle the truth” that is the A’s for certain…
#390 Blink
“She is what I like to call “The overseller”. When asked about it, she first responds “I dont know where it was taken..”
When I analyze those statements where I know or believe it to be untrue, these are the most verbose and overkill as to the reasons the interviewer should believe her.”
Casey seems to have the same dynamic; an example from the 7/25 Lee/Casey Jail Visit. Rather than a simple, heartfelt response to a straightforward question, we get discourse.
LEE ANTHONY: You think Caylee’s OK right now?
CASEY ANTHONY: My gut feeling? Mom asked me yesterday (INAUDIBLE) the psychologist asked me this morning that I met with through the court (ph). In my gut, she is still OK and it still feels like she’s close to home.
LEE ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: So I mean, that’s still my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, I mean, obviously, I’m going to reach out and say something that immediately the (INAUDIBLE) I know Mom will understand this better than anyone, that there is that type of bond that you have with your kids.
westsidehudson Jean is just a Caylee supporter And a Richard Grund Supporter. She doesn’t know the family personally… She has the cropped version same as I do. I believe she got her’s the same place I did and without me mentioning the site. she mentioned it first. And I gave her the link. And it was taken at this myspace that the Anthony’s put up Mine was anyway. It cropped. . And Michelle Bart ran it for some time.
Last Login: 2009-07-18 7/18/2009
The photo has been removed from that site on myspace
http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing
I told jean to come here. She has the link I am sure she will when she has the time.
Thanks Shyloh.
I think I am a bit cloudy today. Are you saying everyone got the cropped photo from the above site, which is maintained by the Anthony’s, the same photo they all denied ever seeing?
B
Cindy said end of her first depo day, that she could not remember the attorney’s name who did the paperwork for the family re: Caylee, their wills and the arrangments that George and Cindy would have Caylee, if anything were to happen to Casey– NOT the father.
Cindy couldn’t remember, but said George would remember because ‘HE USED HIM FOR THE FIRST ATTORNEY’ and she goes on to state ‘I can’t remember his name. I have it at the house but I don’t have it with me.’
Ms. D-B asks Cindy, ‘If you could bring tomorrow– that would be helpful.’ Cindy says ‘Sure.’
(Pt I, Pg 181)
Now to the depo transcript for the next day (pt ll)– before this topic is raised again (and I’m not there in the reading yet), Cindy is asked about Mark NeJame, and in her discussion of how they came to know about Mr. NeJame, she explains:
“…and asked our personal friend who’s an attorney, Paul Kelly, the one that handled George’s Work Comp case and set up Caylee’s first trust fund.”
QUESTION– was Paul Kelly also the one Cindy says that George ‘used for a first attorney’ since he ’set up Caylee’s first trust fund”???
If so, was that an ‘OUT AND OUT LIE’ by Cindy to say she couldn’t remember the attorney’s name but had it at home? Paul Kelly was the name (the friend– ‘personal friend) who worked with George in the past on his Work Comp AND was very early on the scene to help with the missing child– ‘the first attorney’, so is Paul Kelly the one and same ‘first attorney’ or was there another ‘first attorney’ before Kelly, or between Kelly and Mark NeJame whose name Cindy could not remember? (she would NOT forget her own friend’s name and need to look up his name at home to answer the question ‘tomorrow’)
If a lie– Cindy must remember that she told Ms. D-B under oath, that she does not like it when people lie to her, and Ms. D-B responded with “I DON’T EITHER”.
By the way. That photo has been removed. I haven’t been there for sometime. But this blog reminded me of that pic.
From the My Clerk site:
10/21/2009 A PRIVILEGE LOG OF DOMINIC CASEY
10/21/2009 A NOTICE OF FILING PRIVILEGE LOG OF DOMINIC CASEY IN SUPPORT OF MR. CASEY’S MOTION TO STRIKE NOTICE OF DEPOSITION AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
Here is some info on what the FL courts have ruled regarding privilege logs.
http://www.flmd.uscourts.gov/Forms/JgSpaulding/StandingOrderPrivilege.pdf
What do you think? Is he going to be able to wiggle out of this deposition? And why is this the first time we’ve heard of any such privilege logs that Dominic Casey had?
Good day - have been despondently following the news since the discovery of the remains. When I first heard a woman claimed to have left her daughter with a non-existent babysitter, a month previous, and further, the child was still missing, the conclusion seemed to be a blinding glimpse of the obvious.
However, on this topic - any cover photo would have been chosen by the Globe editiorial board. That decision seems a little easy, the mother is accused of placing the child in a trunk and that what’s she is doing in the photo. The shiner was a terrific bonus for them.
A horrific coincidence, but a coincidence nevertheless. Is Casey twisted enough to have made a point of including it. No doubt. Was there any way for Casey to have ‘editorial input’ on the layout of her story. Highly doubtful.
Sorry but this is a bit too byzantine to buy.
e
How is she having editorial control if she only sold them that photo? Also, we dispelled the trunk issue.
B
I have read 2 comments here in Re: the pic from TL’s cell phone, dated 6/2/08. That area under her eye definitely looks like a cigarette burn to me. Granted, I am only going by my computer image, and I can only zoom in on it, but I am an RN-more specifically a School Nurse Teacher (not working now due to little children of my own) but I had written that hypothesis on another site and I really think ppl thought I was nuts! The area looks reddened and is almost perfectly round. An abrasion is more likely seen on a bony prominence like an elbow or knee. Say one gets an abrasion on your shin, it is elongated in shape. It just does not look like a bruise to me. At least my opinion has finally been validated, if only by 2. Pure speculation, only basing it on my own experiences with children in the Nsg. field.
suz,thank you for reminding me (post #393),exactly why i think george and cindy knew early on cuz of reporting the gas can on june 23,i’ve thought he did it to cover his a**,funny he’s now saying he didnt put that tape on,and that tape had no fingerprints?huh? but whoever just suggested that casey left cleaning rags with decomp in the garage (which also would continue to increase in smell)to the point of alerting the decomp nurse,and ex-cop to the trash with the decomp rags is a good theory.but i still like hold out that its not impossible caylee died with cindy’s awareness and cindy’s winniepooh shrinememorial was going to be the anthony’s new backyard pink flamingo.til casey screwed it all up.
Todd in Tulsa, let me go out on a limb and predict that everyone but me will say yes, the shirt was a message, and that includes LE, lol. I think not, but then I don’t even necessarily agree that all (or maybe any) of the computer searches suggest premeditation. I think LE tends to be overly vigilant sometimes, and the example I like to use is they look in your garage and see an old rusty pipe in the corner, a bag of nails on a workbench, and maybe some gasoline by the mower and say you had materials to make a pipe bomb.
Why does anyone google “shovel”? I don’t know, but what would it gain you murder-wise?
I think there is a tendency for even innocent things to take on an ominous tone. When i watch a horror movie at night, every creak and groan from the furnace downstairs suddenly sounds sinister. I think the same thing about the FBI chick who tought she taw a body outline in the trunk (although I do entertain the possibility that all of these things might be true..!).
Nope, I disagree the shirt was intentional except to possibly point the finger at another person and support a story.
B
If I remember correctly, a long time ago George admitted to LE (possibly FBI) that he knew what that odor was in the car but Cindy kept saying to him “it’s rotting food, right George?” and to give her some comfort he told her that yes, the smell was coming from the food. But he admitted to knowing better. Wish I could remember which interview he said that. So, right there, we know the whole rotting pizza story is a total fabrication on George’s part. Don’t we?
“Is it me or the more information that is coming out and the more damning the information is, the crazier the antics get with these people? Is there a term for this kind of behavior? And I am not buying “ugly coping.”
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Dee, could it be that the poorly-behaved Anthonys are trying to pull focus from their imprisoned bank account? Or, detract from upcoming disclosure? The defense just received another 2000 sheets of information that we’ll soon see.
I think, if I’m understanding correctly, that it’s alright to be critical of the Anthonys behavior, it’s just the name-calling that sounds juvenile.
suz, I’m sorry for leaving you all alone ~ it just became easier to believe the photo selection was intentional rather than a co-inky-dink. But . . . just think how wise and revered you will be if you’re the lone voice that proves to be right!!!
Just read the section of Cindy’s depo where JB tells her to “zip it”. It sounds to me like he’s afraid she’s going to be her usual chatty kathy and talk way too much about what “they” gave him — the things that LE supposedly were offered many times but never wanted. When she was talking about the items she gave him, Ashton said “identify the items and limit it to that”. Baez then added “by you. by you.” Could it be that another family member gave JB an item that could possibly be a “bombshell” and the defense is not saying yet what that is? So maybe Casey gave him something or maybe she told her mother to give him something. In that regard, it wouldn’t have been from Cindy; it would have been from Casey.
First time I have posted here or anywhere.But have followed this blog since Caylee was mentioned.My heart breaks as does all of yours and we all want the same results…for Caylee’s killer to be punished to the full extent of the law.I am also a member of second life.All of the people who post here are amazing and this is where I come to hear what I beleive are the facts and discoveries in this case.The thoughts that I would like to contribute are possibly Caylee called her doll Momma because it may have said Momma or some other things as many dolls do. And possibly the laundry bag she was found in came from brother Lee’s house. I do think that Casey spent alot of time at her brothers house to get away from her Mother. And I think he knows much more than he is willing to tell. Big Brothers are protective of little sisters. With a mother like Cindy I believe that when they could help out each other they did.Survival so to speak.Just like the promise he publically made her to the code talk they have.As every one knows Cindy supported every one, so she made all the choices and decisions for everyone it appears.Much like we are seeing now. Cindy trying control all including LE,FBI,MEDIA even blogs that she does not like. I too seem to be reading here every day hoping to find out that she has confessed, because I believe she is guilty of killing her sweet little child.I also believe that she was involved in some type of drug use.Not sure which drug but something.The only other thing that I can think of is maybe there really was a bitter violent battle over Caylee and she was killed at that time and they are trying to cause as much confusion as possible to have LE look at others and thats the big secret they have. I just don’t know but I do believe that the truth will come out at trial. Pleasde excuse the typo’s and sentences..TIA
Kleat #448
Operator Error (aka typo). I meant to type that “I am NOW a fan” - not “NOT a fan”. I was so excited to have a contribution for the blink-rink that I didn’t proof my comment. I apologize and will be more careful in the future.
Wasn’t Caylee’s doll originally Casey’s? “Mama’s doll”. Baby Caylee might have called it just “Mama”.
Dee— i was upset about the cruise too. It may not have been my business but upsetting by the fact that so many people are without jobs and struggling and the Anthonys never look worried about that part of their lives. If i didnt have a job, I would take whatever money I had and pay bills with it–not take a cruise. Everyone under stress these days would like to take a cruise even for just a weekend and get away from it all–who wouldnt. People that dont know where their next dollar is coming from dont go for a special meal at Subway but go to the store and by bread and lunch meat and MAYBE some chips and mayo. And then Cindy wonders why the press is there and is insulted—geez. So i agree with your statement. I do try to think of the Anthonys not in a bad light as people but they make it hard. I wish I could lounge in a two piece strapless bikini and sunbathe. Might be scary though if photographed!!!!!!
Vicky // October 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I was talking to my daughter and she provided me with the answer for who sold the picture to the Globe. – Ricardo Morales
Below is his interview with YM.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736123/detail.html
Brought from Marinade Dave’s site
Yes, he did sell some. Not this one, imo.
B
Blink your are amazing! I run to your site after any new release of information ! I wanted to ask what you thought about people linking casey’s comment that they haven’t even found the clothes she was wearing yet to the idea that the clothes that were found with Caylee were not on her and people saying aha! But if Casey agrees with George on what Caylee was wearing the last time he saw them -then the clothes that were found with Caylee are not the same clothes anyway. Where are the clothes she was wearing ?Thanks for all you do!!
I think that is the point, that Caylee was discovered in something different, and Casey’s clothes are acounted for.
B
Dee 1:23p:
I think the movie title is “A Few Good Men”, starring Jack Nicholson.
I could have the title wrong…but I know it was Jack!!!
I did notice that the trunk issue was dispelled here - doesn’t mean some Granny in Georgia won’t see ‘a trunk’ and do a wow. I would have picked it, from the ones I’ve seen.
Further, although I haven’t read the article but the Globe’s article, 10/21, references publishing ‘photos’ of Caylee’s black eye. I cannot believe they purchased one photo and Casey said it should be this one.
Morales sold them.
I think you’re right, Blink. Mama was found in the car seat — or at least that’s why Cindy and George said!
From what I understand Brian Burner saw Casey back into the garage on June 17th. This is the only day he saw her back in. Later in his statement I believe he changed the 18th to the 19th which was the second day that he noticed her car had been backed in although he did not see her do it. This was the day Casey borrowed the shovel.
The next day he noticed again Casey’s car was backed into the garage again he did not see her back it in, just saw that it was. So whether her phone pings correspond with those dates or not I am sorry I did not look to see. I have Mauras timeline somewhere. I would surmise that the last time she backed her car in was for cleaning. Or maybe her only attempt at cleaning the trunk was at Tony’s using those paper towels the ones that were in his garbage bag. At any rate I would say that Caylees body was placed on Surburban Drive no later that the 20th. Of course George would have also had to be at work on these dates.
If I was going to put a body on Surburban Drive, I think I would do it very early in the morning or late in the day. Since school was out probably only maintenance people coming and going to the school and meter readers. I can imagine her just standing at the tree line and pitching Caylee. I cannot imagine that she tried to bury Caylee in any way. I doubt that she would enter into those woods any more than Kronk or Cain did.
I think Casey probably tried the Back Yard day of shovel borrowing but thought better of it.
PS If Kronk didn’t have that route for the first time in August, I would be very suspicious of him seeing a woman dumping some garbage in the woods. Still haven’t decided about him.
Another favorite comment in Cindy’s depo (they just keep getting better and better!)… Linda Drane-Burdick to Jose Baez: “I have no idea what you’re talking about!” (page 504) LOL
Here’s my two cents about the Globe picture:
I think it was just one of the pics that Ricardo sold to the Globe as part of his “story”. I think the the editors just happened to pick that particular picture for the cover. Only they know the reason(s).
I personally believe in Karma…if it’s good karma, good things will come back to you. On the flip side, if it’s bad…it will always come back to bite you in the azz - bummer for you Casey.
Blink,
Yes - I think that Casey herself sold that picture for money - or that if another family member did it was with her approval.
Thanks,
Clint
Bees your exactly right i could come up with 100 names right off the bat but why? I don’t care to do so I care about justice or this child and every other child. but anger takes over and the potty mouth insues. Since one of the last message from Conway a few weeks ago the A’s have been pretty silent maybe they shut their mouths but their current actions are unspeakable, wait sorry the lovely spew of hate coming off the boat was interesting..I just want to see these folks go down hard, I feel bad about their granddaughter being taken away from them and what there exact involvement will be exposed in time IMO, for that I can’t stand them. I have spoken about my family drama on here regarding my own brother and I could care less if he rots in prison for the rest of his life for what he did, I love him but hate what he did, isn’t that how somewhat normal people respond to these kind of things? I don’t get it will never get. I am ashamed for the A’s and just when i thought Lee was starting to get it together there he is too..priceless. i want to see them all in jail right next to Casey. that is my prayer none of them deserved Caylee so many couples can’t have babies and for some unknown reasons some monsters can and could care less about them, I think about te passages I learned as child in church “Jesus loves the little children” why can’t the rest of the world, I am stickin with Jesus on that one, another one I am having a hard time with is “those without sin cast the first stone” I have been thinking about that one as well today and will try to practice that from here on out, I am still mad as all get out but am working on it. I will wait for Lady Justice to do her thing! If I fall short please forgive me!
Blink #487:
Thanks for the response. You more than deserve a break!
Have a wonderful, relaxing weekend…..snuggled up with your family.
Even though we’ll miss you….I’m sure, on a daily basis - they miss you much more!
Much thanks to you for all you do in your quest for justice. We stand beside you every step of the way.
God bless you and yours, Blink.
one more for the masses, God forgive them for they know not what they do..
some folks get offened with posting about scriptures and for you I am sorry but for me it makes me feel just a little bit better.
much love to all you wonderful folks!
Tommie…bummer for the whole dag-on bunch
westsidehudson:
# 439_wpgmouse
YOUR QUOTE:
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That t-shirt could have been a gift, maybe from Lee.”
Kleat:
“wpgmouse, Lee was shown the photograph of Caylee wearing the shirt and he did not recognize it– if he gave it to her, he would have seen the writing and the pink colour– cropped it was enough to recognize the shirt if one had seen her in it, especially if it was a gift from that person.”
westsidehudson and Kleat,
You need to look at that sentence in the context of my whole comments. “IF” the photo was taken in the A’s living room, it “MAY” have been Mother’s Day as that could be a day when all the A’s were present, giving them direct knowledge of the existence of the t-shirt. I suggested Lee only as the potential giver of this t-shirt “IF” this was a Mother’s Day gift, because I felt he would be most likely to see the “humour” in it, giving what I have interpreted to be his behavior at laughing when he is presented with the most darkest and saddest facts and images of the death of his niece. IMO, Cindy wouldn’t “advertise” with a t-shirt suggesting “something” amiss within the family and perhaps would not find the humour of the t-shirt with Caylee wearing it.
In regards to Lee’s knowldege of the wording as per his deposition, I believe he knew exactly what the wording is, and was not forthcoming.
I wrote previously in the other thread on October 16 and 19 about my take on Lee’s comments, how LindaD.B. caught him completely off guard with that photo and his “denial” remarks.
Here is a snippet:
“In C’s deposition, she is quick to point out that she doesn’t know “where” the photo was taken. I don’t recall LDB asking her that.
L reacts stammering like he’s caught off guard, offering the word “cropped” right off the bat and denying every seeing a picture of “Caylee” like “that”. I don’t recall LDB mentioning the word cropped either.
They KNOW damn well about that photo of little Caylee.”
Kleat, Lee in his deposition is also playing “dumb” when he “tries” himself to “make out” what he “thinks” might be a letter, but of course he incorrectly suggests what letter(s) he “thinks” he sees. His direct by LDB is worth another read.
The entire A family knew of the exisitence of this t-shirt long before it was found on Suburban Drive in December, however each has blatantly lied about having that knowledge.
Whether they were physically together on the day that photo was taken, such as Mother’s Day as a possible scenario, I can’t say for sure. But then suspicion can also fall on “WHEN” and “HOW” they were privy to the existence of such a photo.
There is a defense strategy in the works, and the A’s lied, supporting the strategy, the “story”.
Wow, I’m trying to catch up.
#385-
Funny how George uses the word “borrow” to describe that, isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black type of thing?
IMO, George and Casey are two peas in a pod.
From what I remember reading–George is a cheater, he has a spotty work history, he’s possibly been into internet porn, internet scams, internet gambling (whose money was he using?) and if I recall correctly he ALSO took out a credit card in Cindy’s name. The way I see it George is lazy and he’s liar, cheater and thief! Hmmmm, sound familiar?
It’s no wonder why George had absolutely no parental authority over Casey (leaving only Cindy), can you imagine George trying to discipline Casey for something? Ha! I’d bet a box of doughnuts Casey would call him out on that the second he tried to ‘discipline’ her.
JMHO
Charolette
4. What is the significance of the lanyard?
al I figured out was that is wa never missing Cindy gave it to baez she says it in part 2 of her depo I believe so it is not missing, IMO no bomdshell he has it maybe manufactured to show she worked for him
Westsidehudson in #490: agree with you up to the point of Cindy taking Caylee away from Casey. Cindy told her coworkers (?) she could not afford to adopt Caylee. In his early statements Lee says Cindy and Casey argued about Casey leaving Caylee to be babysat too much. Cindy herself tells how Casey would bring Caylee by at work or at the house just after work almost every night. I think Casey might have welcomed a firm adoption, or giving over of Caylee to the grandparents.
Why not? Like Grandma P said, Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee. Cindy didn’t want just Caylee, she wanted Casey to be the perfect mom to Caylee. Thinking perhaps that being a good mom would make Casey grow up? Cindy wouldn’t have a perfect family if the daughter had abandoned her child with the grandmother. Cindy wanted that public perfection more than she cared about Casey.
Other than that, I think you are right about Casey’s desperation to find a man to love her and take her away from Cindy’s reign of terror. Lee seemed to say that the two women fought frequently. Who wouldn’t want to escape from that? Casey fell in “love” awfully fast and easily, and various men found Casey attached to them like a leech. Tony admitted to teasing her about his going back to NY. Was it Ricardo who said she came over too often? Jesse loved Caylee more than her, so she couldn’t be with him.
So I wonder what happened on the night of June 15? I keep thinking that whatever it was, it was the thing Casey talked about in the jail video–”I haven’t told them anything yet”. or something to that effect, said to Cindy personally.
life exoeriences: i worked with a guy once who in the presence of his mother told a story about how as a teenager he had to break up a fight between his mother and sister,he rushed in ,pulled them apart, took his mom to the couch and they noticed the 18 year old daughter lying unresponsive on the floor ,he rushes over,(he starts laughing uncontrollably as this point in the story),she still doesnt respond ,he freaks ,shreiks “she’s dead” as he runs to the kitchen to grab the phone to call 911,between laughs he sputters his mom screams no!and wrestles him for the phone,he laughs and between laughs , says his sister was faking it,and laughs and laughs and sputters MY MOM GRABBED THE PHONE OUT MY HAND!,i looked at his mom and she rolled her eyes and shook her head,and kind of laughed but then shot a grim look at him,but didnt say anything.just saying you dont know what some people’s reactions are..
Blink-
I’m confused…
Are you saying the shorts were put there after the body was already there? Do you think Casey did this? Or do you mean someone from the Anthony family or DC?
I am saying she definately was not wearing them, the degredation of the cotton material is in no way close to the shirt, the possibility exists that someone threw them in there ( they are found a considerable distance from the bag, and are never mentioned by anyone (Kronk) who was in the area. It is possible, yes.
B
Why does the State keep asking the A’s about Casey’s timeline story (mostly Cindy) They must have that down pat by now. Why don’t they ask them the “Timeline they developed from their investigation” Inquiring minds want to know.
And I would like to know what the continuing “Script” was to be had Casey’s car not been discovered that day. I wonder if that is somewhere we haven’t seen. Surely Casey was asked that question. After all it was part of the script right? and How many days was that script for? And Now I am sure it can be revealed what Casey did to deserve Caylee being taken away.
The more I hear Cindy the less I am likely to believe she was not involved in some way. I can almost see the A’s plan working about creating doubt I mean. It scares me. The jury will never know all the stuff that we do.
You got that Suzee
B
I would love some help with the George element, apropos of Comment 548. I have never read that Casey’s motive was payback for George. George was the one trying to make Casey’s life difficult, the job check at Sport’s Authority, the car chase [the one that Cindy remembers sitting colouring with Caylee when George when charging out the door back in the spring but has no idea why George would be chasing her. Presumably because Cindy was known for minding her own business]
I think Casey knew she could kill Caylee sedating her, hence the search for a plan B in March. Worse, her birthday present to herself was the murder of George - household weapons and self defense but she chickened out. The plots are so intertwined now as to be confusing but I think Caylee’s demise the night of Father’s Day was fueled by revenge against George. It was one or the other, and Casey was afraid of losing a fight with George.
I find it very curious that the sole focus has been on the Casey/Cindy dynamic as motive. Casey would have killed Caylee on Mother’s Day or Cindy’s birthday, June 5.
Am I missing something?
#534 Blink regarding Ricardo and the Globe - I agree and I put up another comment trying to narrow it down but it didn’t show up. Usually I can see them myself even before you release them from moderation. Did I mess up?
No friend, I have my head in the trench. Sorry.
B
#549 dee
Did Casey hide the lanyard from LE? Or did Cindy? If it were Cindy, then she knew Casey didn’t work at Universal (After her visit there on July 3(?) I also wondered about Cindy saying that the employees switched name tags, as a joke???. Was Casey altering these name tags like I suspected she was altering IDs. Maybe Casey created a name tag using a discarded name tag and Cindy hid it or Casey did.
Remember though how Casey freaked out in jail when they found the body and had to be medicated? This was before they announced it was Caylee they found. What I’m getting at is if they planted the shirt/shorts to point in another direction wouldn’t she be jumping for joy and not hyperventilating? Just trying to put all the pieces together.
I sometimes can see Dominic Casey putting the clothes there. Those few days Casey was out of jail- who knows what she disclosed to Lee.
I’m going to repost this comment because I think I did something to make it go ‘poof’
Does anybody know where to find a picture taken of Casey around New Years Day 2008 (or Christmas time 2007)? If we can show that her hair is different than the one in the Globe picture then it would help narrow down whether or not Ricardo provided both the inside and the cover pictures and that he took all of them in the same timeframe.
I’m on the fence on this one. It would be a lot of finagling for a lot of parties to have both Ricardo cashing in on his story and his pictures from New Years Day - and have someone else cashing in on the picture on the cover. Two separate deals in the same issue - it could happen.
I’m sure this has been mentioned before, but…
I was looking through the photo albums on the myspace page referenced by Shyloh in a previous comment and noticed a photo of a tattoo that has a dove with Caylee Marie written on the ribbon the dove is holding in its beak. Is this another one of Cindy’s ‘tributes’ to Caylee like the ‘these aren’t my grand baby’s’ ashes in her jewelry? (hope the link works, trying to submit one with this comment)
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewTaggedPhoto&friendID=122459029&imageUserID=36350211&imageID=58685686#u=39760803&i=51501770
Looks a lot like a ‘memorial’ tattoo to me.
Also, probably mentioned before and a little off topic for this thread, did everyone hear that Nancy Grace trademarked “tot mom” or has been trying to since March?* And Cindy ‘claims’ (in quotes bc I’m not sure if it’s true) she has had “Caylee Marie Anthony” trademarked? Knowing from personal experience, this is not a cheap task. My brother was trying to have something trademarked and it was thousands of dollars so he had to back off it. If Cindy did in fact go through with trademarking Caylee’s full name, then why do the Anthony’s have these extra thousands of dollars to spare? Did their ‘foundation’ pay for that? I thought those donations were to go to finding missing children? If it came from ‘licensing fees’ then wouldn’t the defense want that money for their own pockets? It’s just mind boggling!
* http://theinsanitizer.blogspot.com/2009/03/caylee-anthony-watch-nancy-grace-to.html
Had more to say, lost my train of thought… back to reading for now…
***Thanks Shyloh.
So to clarify: the cropped photo was on the “Caylee is missing” site put up by the Anthonys?
#529_chicagojudy
— the things that LE supposedly were offered many times but never wanted. When she was talking about the items she gave him, Ashton said “identify the items and limit it to that”. Baez then added “by you. by you.” Could it be that another family member gave JB an item that could possibly be a “bombshell” and the defense is not saying yet what that is? So maybe Casey gave him something or maybe she told her mother to give him something. In that regard, it wouldn’t have been from Cindy; it would have been from Casey.
Good point. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not the photo either. But if not, it almost sounds more sinister.
#539-Suzeeb
“PS If Kronk didn’t have that route for the first time in August, I would be very suspicious of him seeing a woman dumping some garbage in the woods. Still haven’t decided about him.”
Wow, I don’t remember that. Did he say he that? Did he describe Casey at all? On the flip side, there was a lot of garbage back there so someone had to have dumped it.
547 wpgmouse
Sorry if I offended you in any manner, not my intent, and I agree that they knew about the shirt.
Lily
“Does anybody know where to find a picture taken of Casey around New Years Day 2008 (or Christmas time 2007)?”
No, but I didn’t want you to feel ignored on that since you said you’ve posted it twice.
Thats my fault, y’all are quick on the draw today as usual, too quick, lol
B
ddd - #550:
In one of the earliest jailhouse videos - Cindy says to Casey:
“We forgive anything you have said or done.”
and Casey replies:
“Don’t worry, I haven’t said anything.”
THAT, right there, says a WHOLE lot.
dddeerma
” I wonder what happened on the night of June 15? I keep thinking that whatever it was, it was the thing Casey talked about in the jail video–”I haven’t told them anything yet”. or something to that effect, said to Cindy personally.”
Yes, I am very curious to know!
“Did he say he that?”
Wow, this is one of my own quotes. Brilliant, huh?
Did he say that?….in english
#468 comment by westsidehudson Thank you so much for mentioning the change in laundry machines in the garage over the summer I had noticed that change also, the Pontiac
Sunfire was the cleanest car I had ever seen after being in the elements and a tow yard for two weeks.
# 551 susan m
“life exoeriences”
Susan , perhaps because I am getting a cold, my brain is slightly numb and I am obtuse, so please forgive me, but I didn’t understand your post. Or at least I didn’t get what it was an analogy of??
Awwww Thanks WSH. I never feel alone here and LOVE your comments! I usually pick one or two tiny things to research about while you guys take on the big ones. I do not have the brainpower you guys do.
Peeshaw lily
B
#563 Comment by westsidehudson — October 22, 2009 @ 4:30 pm
dddeerma
” I wonder what happened on the night of June 15? I keep thinking that whatever it was, it was the thing Casey talked about in the jail video–”I haven’t told them anything yet”. or something to that effect, said to Cindy personally.”
Yes, I am very curious to know!
Me Too! I bet this info is privy to trial?
# 559_Amiyah Lavecchia —
“Also, probably mentioned before and a little off topic for this thread, did everyone hear that Nancy Grace trademarked “tot mom”
I hate that ‘tot mom’ expression. Who else uses it anyway?
Blink, re ‘timing’ of bruise and ‘age of Caylee’ in the Globe photo. IF this photo, child age, can be correlated with the other clothes found– IE: the shorts, that video of Caylee in shorts, was it the one Cindy commented in her depo, as having been taken ‘around her second birthday’?
Shorts + BIG TROUBLE Tee == makes sense that both would date the child from around her second birthday.
And– let’s say this was a gift from someone, like Jesse, who Casey seemed to have some resentment towards (she was jealous of his love for the baby as she was jealous of her mother with Caylee, including the ‘birthday party’ issues) then it may be possible that this shirt never got worn, got put away somewhere so that it was not worn– maybe in those clothes piles or bags etc, that Cindy talked about in her depo.
Casey could have got both the shorts and the pink Tee (nice pairing of the two to make an outfit, don’t you think– coincidence or a ’set’ gift) from an old bag of Caylee’s clothes, now too small for her. And used those to ‘dress’ the crime scene– not ‘dress’ the child. Why those? We can maybe relate the ’saying’, but we could also speculate that IF this were from someone who was to become the focus of the investigation, should the body be found, what better than to say ‘HERE’S YOUR BABY AND YOUR GIFTS FOR HER BACK!!’ as a ’set up’ for someone who may have given that particular ‘gift’ to the child.
# 558_Lily
“I’m on the fence on this one. It would be a lot of finagling for a lot of parties to have both Ricardo cashing in on his story and his pictures from New Years Day - and have someone else cashing in on the picture on the cover. Two separate deals in the same issue - it could happen.”
UNLESS, the photos are being meted out by an agency? Maybe the purported estimate of $ 200k, was a lump payout for a bunch of photos, and the agency gets money when they are published? This way, the Globe could have gotten some items from more than one source.
Of course, it could have happened through multiple individual sources as well.
Who was reporting the $ 200K? Was that what the Anthonys got or the Baez firm? Anyone remember where this figure came from?
20/20 ABC Deal
#563
The neighbor claimed that Cindy and Casey had a fight on Fathers Day. If either admitted to that, wouldn’t that be a motive? So Casey can’t talk about it –”I haven’t told them anything yet”.
blink– the Globe photo– I just opened one of the monochrome versions I’d played with– and the background on the right, with a fresh eye, it seems clear to me now… will send it on…
..waiting.. I just e’d you about something else I noted.
ALL.. will post final image findings when we are “there”, you know I always share with the group.
B
#526 Chicago Judy. Your memory is correct. That’s from George’s interview with LE interview on 7/24. He talks about how he recognizes what the smell was and saw the stain in the trunk. He says when they got the car home: “Cindy said ‘what died!?’ She said, ‘George, it was the pizza, right?’ I said, ‘Yes, it was the pizza.’”
It’s very revealing to go back and listen to it, especially in light of George’s onset of amnesia during his deposition.
It’s also the same interview where LE strongly urges George to put a leash on Cindy (my paraphrase). “We tried to tell your wife, if you go down this road (with the media) it’s going to turn into a circus.” They spend a good bit of time trying to convey to George that even this early on, how Cindy is working against them, not with them and to stop doing the talk show circuit. Of course, the Anthony’s never took this very sound advice, either.
#514 – Re: Mama doll. You’re absolutely accurate, Blink. Mama doll was found in the car seat, according to Cindy’s testimony. What threw me was the photo of the doll in the collapsible bin (exhibit 15) which I understood came from the trunk. It had me thinking that was another doll in the car seat. Going back and re-reading, I see that Cindy explains in depo 332:12 that she removed it from the car seat and put it in the collapsible bin. See, this is why I consider myself such a novice. LOL. Some of you are incredible when it comes to recalling some of these details.
Yes, she washes her face with a wipe from the backpack I believe.
Dead body stench, granddaughters baby-doll not with her ggdr, yep, no need for panic there-
Snark alert.
I just love that “mama”. Maybe it reminds me of when my own “little” girl would put her “Lindsey” in her baby stroller and walk next to me with her baby brother in mine. She would hit any crack in the sidewalk, street sign, fire hydrant, curb to make her fly out so she could stop, throw her hands in the air and pick up her “poor baby”, kiss her boo boos and say to her brother “dont you do that, real babies get real boo boos.” I hope mama was with her.
B
re Amiyah’s post at 4:21pm. That looks like a real tattoo on someone’s real skin. Wonder who’s it is??
#559-
You do not necessarily need an attorney to apply for a trademark, it’s pretty easy to do and it only costs 375.00 (filing fee).
I searched TESS and came up with nothing for Caylee Marie Anthony or Caylee Anthony ,nothing(that I could find)is trademarked OR pending at this time.
#560 Westside
No Kronk did not say that. What I meant was yes in August was the first time that he had that route. Well I guess come to think of it even if he had had that route before and happened to see a woman dumping something in the woods and put 2 and 2 together he still would be the hero. So I wasn’t thinking when I made that statement. So please disregard.
The bottom line is I am still suspicious of him. Maybe thats terrible I dont know.
muse
“We tried to tell your wife, if you go down this road (with the media) it’s going to turn into a circus.”
Truer words have never been spoken.
SuzeeB
I think that a few people had multiple agendas going, so that they may cause suspicion from street smarts. Their characters may not be questionable. IT doesn’t mean that they were really involved in the larger view. I hope that made sense.
Something in Tony Lazarros statement about the 16th. I dont think Casey arrived at Tony’s until around 6:00. Whats on Curry Ford Rd. or near. I dont know. Possibly Orange County Public Utilities or am I way off base.
They are, but what takes you “there”?
B
Actually, I meant that their characters may be questionable (in general), but that doesn’t mean that they are involved in this case. Sorry, I’m kind of out of it. Think I’ll just read.
Hello all,
This is my “virgin” post as I have been reading here for a couple of weeks. Be gentle!
My current speculations:
1) Casey most certainly has a personality disorder! She’s beyond histrionic, she’s a mix of narcissistic,borderline and anti-social. People are merely objects to her,especially her child and the men she slept with - and probably her lawyer. She used her sexuality to get what she wanted and if she could trap a man with a pregnancy,so much the better. I wondered if she was trying to get pregnant with Tony’s child to get him to marry her.
Cindy is more histrionic/narcissistic/OCD. George is simply lost with his addictive and passive personality. Lee is the “invisible’ child who can now become the family “hero” in his deposition.
2) Casey chose to set up Ricardo & Amy primarily as “Zanny” and chose the photo accordingly. Tony was just a decoy. Since she speaks “in code”, Casey stealing from Amy could set them up for having motive. Rationale- Ricardo joined with Amy in taking Caylee to punish Casey for stealing. Reference Blanchard Park story - who else would be strong enough to hold her down? He was no longer of any use to her as she now had Tony.
3)She threw the clothes in on her jog. Dominic Casey was sent to find the remains as Kronk was missing the spot for too long. Casey wanted to be home for the holidays! Too bad she didn’t realize that LE can’t be fooled as easily as everyone else.
4) She may have stored Caylee in or under the playhouse the first 2 days. The parents may have smelled some decomp or found something of Caylee’s in the dirt, which led to the paving and Myspace posting. Now they have a memorial in that spot. How they can tolerate looking at her death certificate with the word “homicide” on it is beyond me. They probably only set it up for the cameras. Then again, it’s not that big of a deal if Caylee is still alive in their minds. Neither of them can give a solid answer as to why they believe that - because the defense didn’t participate in the autopsy? Why don’t they worry that another family will accuse them of cremating their child or that those who attended the memorial might be a bit miffed about that belief? It’s beyong wierd, it’s pathological.
#574 Blink -
“I just love that “mama”. Maybe it reminds me of when my own “little” girl would put her “Lindsey” in her baby stroller and walk next to me with her baby brother in mine. She would hit any crack in the sidewalk, street sign, fire hydrant, curb to make her fly out so she could stop, throw her hands in the air and pick up her “poor baby”, kiss her boo boos and say to her brother “dont you do that, real babies get real boo boos.” I hope mama was with her.
B”
That tugged at the heartstrings. You cannot separate a little girl from her dollbaby. My own 32-month g-baby, who calls hers “Baby” while of course she’s the mama, even wraps her up lovingly to put her down for nap and puts pillows up as a barricade to mimick the safety gate “so she doesn’t get out”. LOL.
Cherylz, could the “bony prominence” be Caylee’s cheekbone in this case (No. 523)?
Dee, you’re sure not alone in Anthony frustration, it’s completely understandable. I think we all are, no? I hope they will be dealt with by LE in time, I think they’re going after the BIG fish first (KC) though. Then we’ll see.
About the Globe. Just the fact that all of the Anthonys emphatically lied and denied recognizing the shirt makes it easy to believe it’s not just a coincidence, imo.
WSH #569
I’ve heard it used elsewhere but I can’t say where off the top of my head. I hate it, too. One thing for sure… NG will see to it (if she did go through with it) that if anyone else uses those words, she’ll be getting royalties.
ChicagoJudy #575
Agreed. I would assume Cindy but you know what happens when we assume…
Peggy #576
Thank you for adding your knowledge on this, as I think now I may have been misinformed. Perhaps my bros situation was a copyright deal as opposed to trademark. Would that be more expensive? Thanks for doing the search and clearing that up for us.
How much collusion with Anthony friends and supporters went into the major Caylee “sightings”? For example, no one ever identified the little girl in the mall pictures as “Not Caylee Anthony, but our little girl.” And the Atlanta airport sighting is still being belabored by Lee and Cindy.
I say this remembering the astonishing efforts of the online “Team Caylee” posters to paint the Grund family as evil incarnate and responsible for Caylee’s disappearance. I lost track of the group after Caylee was found, but they, as well as other fervent Anthony supporters, are surely still busily engaged in skullduggery to free Casey. Scarey.
Personally, I believe we will see alot more of info on the “sightings” to come..
B
I dunno…call me a skeptic…but I think way too much thought is going in to all of this where Casey is concerned.
I think the clothes were with her (either on or off her body) when she initially dumped her…and there was really no “planning who to implicate” on Casey’s part.
It all looks nefarious to us..but I think that most of it has a logical explanation - and not a complicated plan put forth by Casey.
I certainly could be all wrong on this…but the way it looks to me is - Casey killed her daughter in a moment of rage - dumped her body when the smell got too much (or she was almost caught with the body in the trunk) - and the rest, as they say, is history.
#456 SuzeeB -One thing I cant figure out is why only now Thanks to Blink and Justice and perhaps Mom of 3 was this just discovered.-
After the last depos were released with this photo attached It really bothered me the way all of the Anthony’s were not answering the questions regarding this photo. The cropped black and white of this photo is haunting. Why is it cropped? Why are they not answering? Were there clues in the background? When I saw what I thought was the spare tire I was sickened. I couldn’t sleep so I came to Blink’s site because she and all of her posters seemed like the kindest and have always been informative and superb sleuths.
They did not dismiss me as some crazy and took the time to help me disprove my dark belief. I am so thankful.
I think the answer to the question of why only now are these questions about where was this photo taken, why is it cropped, why is the background darkened, when was it taken and by who is because Blink and all of the posters here took the time to investigate my (a first time posters) concerns seriously which lead them to search for the truth.
I eagerly await Blink’s update on the photo. I just want to say thank you to SuzeeB for including me in the same sentence with Blink and Justice23 And Thanks again to all of you for welcoming me here. Momof3
#580 Suzie- Orange County Public Utilities (water) IS on Curry Ford….. East from Chickasaw
Kleat Post #519 - I have often wondered about this issue with filing papers to protect themselves from the imaginary father attempting to take custody of Caylee. I was searching for info about Stephanie Kostakis and stumbled upon the attached comment at another forum.
http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=personensuche%2Btelefonbuch&st=suche%2Bnach%2Bpersonen&search_term=stefany%20kostakis&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.discovery.com%2Feve%2Fforums%2Fa%2Ftpc%2Ff%2F3581916879%2Fm%2F5371949599%2Fp%2F581
post by DenJet on 1/05/09 2:20pm - interesting reading and am curious how much of it is accurate? Your thoughts?
I have read the article and up to comment # 497. VERY interesting reading!!!!!
Lee’s depo was taken July 30, 2009 and he was shown this “Big Trouble” cropped photo Exhibit # 2 and Jaden’s Granny MySpace page Exhibit # 3. The login date on the screen capture of the MySpace page is “2/18/09″. So, the State has known about this cropped photo on the MySpace page since at least Feb. 2009.
Bloggers on websleuths discussed this cropped photo in February 2009, and I personally emailed Jaden’s Granny on MySpace on Feb. 22, 2009 and asked her about the cropped photo. This was her reply on the same day:
“I don’t remember where I found that one, it was in a bunch of pictures someone posted a long time ago.
I think she looks like Cindy in that one.
She was a little doll.
Jean”
If this cropped (or full) photo was originally on Richard Grund’s MySpace page, I do not understand why he would ask Jaden’s Granny or anyone else to stop posting it on their own MySpace pages? Why so proprietary over this particular photo? No judgement in this question, just a reasonable question included in my thought process on this matter.
I suppose that LE and the prosecutors did not make the connection to the GLOBE full photo which was published Oct 8, 2008 and the MySpace cropped photo, until it was brought to their attention recently?
Or, is it possible that the prosecutors only included the cropped Big Trouble photo in the exhibits for the Anthony depositions, because of copyright laws now that the GLOBE apparently owns the full photo?
It is still a mystery as to WHO sold the full Big Trouble photo to the GLOBE, and when???? And WHO cropped the photo, and when was it cropped, and why was it cropped?
This is what I have been saying. Feb 2009 they had a cropped photo (someone). The piece appeared in Oct 2008, and assumably sold before that. There is zero chance the SA would not subpoena the full file photo from the Globe, of a murder victim wearing the shirt she was ultimately found with, from an article printed 2 months prior to the discovery of her remains and 4 months after she was missing. Z E R O. We WILL know who sold it, but probably sealed until trial.
Does anyone think if this was NOT sold by Casey that the DEFENSE would not be shouting from the rooftops blaming someone else? O, and consider the fact the Globe is not going to pay a stranger with no rights to said photo so they get sued. It would be like a pawn broker buying expensive jewelry without a DL or receipt of ownership-
Except, we are talking about a murdered baby.
Teri - I go there with you sometimes. I think the same thing one moment - and then something else stands out as just far too much to be coincidence. I am the anti-conspiracy theory person in my house of 4 boys and a hubby who love conspiracy theories. Its not my nature.
Is this the typical ‘mother who snapped under pressure’? Maybe.
Its what happened AFTERWARDS that has changed the game. What she DID/DID NOT DO. What her parents DID. What her brother DID. That’s what changes the game for me.
#581 Westside
I got you the first time. Thank you
#540, Kleat dear: Caylee may have named her dolly “Mama” when she was a year or more younger. My daughter & now my granddaughters came up with some peculiar names for their dollies when they were very, very young. And the names stuck.
Or perhaps Caylee’s doll cried “Mama” when you moved her a certain way.
My personal favorite will always be my son’s name for his Hermit crab from the beach. He was 3.
I asked him what he thought his name should be, what did he think he looked like?
He replied “Figgelman.. I think he looks like Figgelman..”
We laughed so hard after we picked our jaws up off the floor. We had NEVER heard that name before, and have not to this day.
I will never know where in the world that came from nor do I care. I just bloat with love at the memory.
I mention it because I dont think there is really a definative reason small children name things as they do, that are explainable at an adult level. They own it. It is just “theirs.”
B
#519 Kleat & #590 Kew
I remember reading somewhere that Paul Kelly did not know anything about any papers to protect the custody of Caylee. It must have been that “other ” lawyer. I am sure Cindy will come up with his name.
Stephanie Kostakis was a friend or cousin of Jesus Ortiz. She tried to visit Casey in jail but Casey refused.
If I can find these links I will post or you can take my word for it. Ha, Ha
Stephanie was his Best GF. As in friend. Casey refused her visit.
I’ll spare the regulars the rest of my thoughts on this.
God Rest his soul. Good Kid.
B
Ada-
can I have the source please, will not post if not appropriate.
B
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#518
· Comment by shyloh — October 22, 2009 @ 1:30 pm
westsidehudson Jean is just a Caylee supporter And a Richard Grund Supporter. She doesn’t know the family personally… She has the cropped version same as I do. I believe she got her’s the same place I did and without me mentioning the site. she mentioned it first. And I gave her the link. And it was taken at this myspace that the Anthony’s put up Mine was anyway. It cropped. . And Michelle Bart ran it for some time.
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The photo has been removed from that site on myspace
http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing
I told jean to come here. She has the link I am sure she will when she has the time.
Thanks Shyloh.
I think I am a bit cloudy today. Are you saying everyone got the cropped photo from the above site, which is maintained by the Anthony’s, the same photo they all denied ever seeing?
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Shyloh - what is the timeframe that you got the cropped photo from the “cayleeismissing” site?
That would mean the cropped (or full) photo originated with the Anthonys (maybe Grund had a copy also?). Maybe the Anthonys cropped it for the sole purpose of showing only Caylee in that photo for their “missing” child website?
It still leaves the open possibility/likelihood that Casey/Baez/agent sold the full photo to GLOBE (without the knowledge of the other Anthonys?). And I agree that it is no coincidence that this particular photo was sold to the mag and featured on the cover.
Thanks
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#490, WestSide: Beautiful post. I am in complete agreement with every word you wrote. I have never once believed that partying or living a carefree, single life was Casey’s goal. Her only goal was to get out from under Cindy. And as long as Caylee was around, Casey would never, ever be free of Cindy.
Don’t think Casey planned this, but rather killed her daughter in a fit of rage (toward Cindy). And as Kleat says, the following days of gleeful partying were in joyful celebration of her newfound emancipation from her controlling freak of a mother.
Blink, I need to propose an inquiry. Be it that Baez has already lost his motion to dismiss the case, for one, is he permitted to promote the same motion for dismissal more than once? Also, what, if any, ramifications will that present if he was to do that in the near future?
yes, he can actually do that at anytime and even move for it at trial technically.
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westsidehudson
No apology needed, you did not offend me at all. I apologize if I caused you to feel that you did. I just wanted to clarify that lone sentence.
#590:
Just my two cents-
I always thought that was just another one of Casey’s crazy stories, who knows what she was trying to do with that one…maybe she used this to milk some money from Cindy, telling her a sob story that the daddy was trying to take Caylee away.
Besides, what kind of papers would they file? I didn’t think Caylee’s BC listed a father…and in order to ‘file’ anything paternity would have to be established (via court ordered/or approved DNA tests) and I don’t think that’s been done or we would know about it.
For the sake of arguments let’s say they did establish paternity (but didn’t list him on BC?)…he couldn’t just relinquish his rights like that, he could choose not to see Caylee or Casey but I still think he’d be financially responsible once paternity was established.
I thought the only way you can relinquish your rights is if the children are taken and you’re forced to or one parent wants new husband or wife to adopt child and the other parent can then relinquish their rights to the child.
Maybe some sort of will? I could be wrong but you can’t will your children to anyone (children are not considered property)..you can make your WISHES known but ultimately it’s up to the courts to decide…and they (usually) do what is in the ‘best interest’ of the child, which may or may not be with the g-parents.
That’s exactly how it is here in Texas Peggy. I know this from experience.
Brad Conway suggests that they are looking for Zanny in Puerto Rico. Lee Anthony thinks Zanny might be Jesse Grund because he was strong enough to hold Casey down at Blanchard Park. Cindy Anthony is throwing Reverend Grund and Mrs. Grund under the bus. Amy, Ricardo and Tony have been suggested as accomplices or perpetrators. None realize that Miss Caylee has an army reading every document, watching every hearing and watching every video. We are all obsessed. If anyone thinks that the public will rest before there is justice for Caylee, they are delusional. Rather than defame all these innocent people, isn’t it time for Casey to plead? Please don’t bother with any BS. I’ve heard too much. It’s time.
Altered Cover Photo
There are at least 2 reasons “on the side of good”, that a cover photo may be altered.
One is a copyright/permission to reproduce. For example, let’s say Casey owns that photo, which is a photo of a social nature, as opposed to say a “work of art”. As the owner, she can sell it to or give permission for a publication to reproduce it. However, if there are OTHER INDIVIDUALS in that photo, the publication cannot reproduce it “as is” without the written and signed permission of those other individuals that can be identified in the photo. If permission is not granted or even sought that an individual’s face or identity may be reproduced, that individual may be cropped out or their identity “obscured” in some way.
The other reason is one of aesthetics. “Enhancements” are done more often than not to cover images. If text is to be imprinted on top and clearly read, the cover photo requires large areas of either dark or light so the colour of the text can be kept singular. Therefore, excess details or “noise” are distorted or removed, in this case darkened, blurred or swirled, etc., so the text will “pop”. The subject matter according to the headline is Mom and Caylee. The publication will also alter an image so that the subjects “pop” instantly and simultaneously with the text, and the viewer’s comprehension will not be distracted by all the other details in the photo. Also, if there is “something in the details”, those details can be furthered within the inside pages of the publication.
There are other reasons such as marketing and profit factors, but I just wanted to offer a couple of non-nefarious reasons why a cover photo has been “touched up”.
Is it possible that RG sold the photo to the globe? I saw where someone posted Casey took the pic but I don’t see how unless she’s a contortionist. IMO, Casey didn’t take this particular pic…so she’s not the ‘owner’.
I agree, it’s possible that someone from the Anthony camp sold that pic…but it’s also possible that someone outside that group sold the pic to the globe.
QUESTION for shyloh, or anyone here:
Has law enforcement or prosecutors been informed that Shyloh (and Jean/Jaden’s Granny) got the cropped photo from the Anthony’s “cayleeismissing” site? (after the Anthonys have denied recognizing the photo, in their recent depositions?) Does anyone have a screen shot from the cropped photo when it was on the Anthony’s site, before it was removed?
I also agree that IF anyone other than Casey/her agents had sold that photo to GLOBE, the Defense would be screaming from the mountaintops and suing someone, and I agree with Blink’s good point that the GLOBE would not have bought that photo from anyone who did not have confirmed rights to the photo to begin with.
Begs the question …. WHY are the Anthonys lying about recognizing the photo, if they had it on their website? They are trying to hide knowledge of something. Maybe “someone” has recently informed them that they must keep quiet about the full photo which was sold to the GLOBE?
I have been thinking about the clothes, and something is kind of strange to me and I can’t figure out why?? This “TROUBLE” shirt and those striped shorts don’t even match. Pretty much every picture of Caylee, she is done up with the matching hair clips or pony tail holders to match her outfits, which the outfits are always very cute and she matches. This shirt and shorts don’t even look as though they would match together and that just strikes me as odd??? I have a feeling that this shirt and shorts were in the laundry bag, seeing as how they are both light colors, and Caylee was just in her pull up and nothing else. So that would fit with Casey taking Caylee out of the house the 15th of June after the big fight.
Another point about her