Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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BREAKING NEWS
Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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I am also confused because I see the same photo on all of the links to the National Enquirer? I seem to be confused a lot lately . . . sorry but could someone summarize the photos? I am having a brain farrt.
# 729 Kleat
MHO is that maybe when Jesse was talking with Casey on the phone and thought he overheard Caylee in the background, maybe Casey was watching the video clip of Caylee at Great Gramdpa’s on Father’s Day. She may have even embellished the ‘get down’ (as in get down from the table) so Jesse wouldn’t have thought nothing was out of the ordinary. Or so he might feel sorry for Casey with such large responsibilities. Possiblility??
As far as the T shirt “Big Trouble” MHO is that is just not the kind of shirt someone would buy a little girl as a gift. I just don’t see that. Sounds more like a shirt a frustrated Mommy would buy along with the “I get my good looks from my Mom” that would put spotlight on Casey (where Casey believes it should be anyways). With that said, if Casey didn’t buy the shirt, maybe Uncle Lee did. He seems to have a very strange sense of humor…
wpgmouse, you are forgiven as you have a ‘mouse’ view– I have no such excuses with my nick!!!
I think this exercise is valuable though– it has taught me about the manipulation (darkening, photoshopped ‘Casey’s right forearm’, of the Globe’s obscuring of the ‘background’.
Mostly– it’s not taking the 30 thousand foot elevation!! We are reminded, but out work wasn’t without benefits– that little ‘car’ seems to have a source in that glitzy item on the bed behind Caylee– ‘maybe’. And it teaches about ‘perspective’, both literal and otherwise, as we percieve visual things and our minds and eyes make connections.
We need that, but stepping back to distance, changing the subject for a bit.
(note that investigators have learned that an eyewitness can be led to choose a subject in a photo’lineup’ based on how the images are presented, in what order, and how repeated. There was an excellent investigative documentary report– I’ll see if I can look it up. A black suspect as rapist, was convicted, and after 11 years incarcerated, this non criminal history ‘convict’ was found to be innocent, the woman who tagged the suspect as the one, had been shown the photos in an order, that confused her, and now techniques and understanding of how ‘eye-witnesses’ can fail, has been expressed in a book she has written. The woman, the victim, has not only reconciled with her ‘accused and convicted’ man (she is white) who had no criminal history, and who has his own family now, building his life once again. The family embraces this woman now, he has understood, and both are working together to bring this to light. How it happened, why she actually believed her eyes, what failed in the investigation’s photo ‘line up’ and what actually caused the victim’s mind to connect the accused with another black man’s photo shown earlier. The earlier photo of a man proved to be the real rapist– but it took 11 years to learn this.
It’s really valuable lesson on the problems of ‘eye-witness’ accounts and so whenever someone says that there ‘is no eye-witness’ to put Casey at the scene or tie her to the murder, that isn’t always as reliable as it seems if investigators do it ‘wrong’.
Suz #733 I buy those type of Circo shorts from Target for my kids. I have older versions from my child 4 years ago and recent pairs for my current toddler. It is a thicker material than a t-shirt material. More like a jean. I know because I have to take in my daughter’s waistband on those shorts and it is a pain to get the needle and thread through them to take them in. They don’t come with adjustable waists.
Good point Marcy!! (I’m only fleetingly catching posts, sorry may be late in catching comments to me and forgive misses– thanks, appreciate those catching my ‘mistakes’ too you know– tired eyes and all else!)
Comment by lol — October 23, 2009 @ 3:05 pm
“Now it is simple to just say THE ANTHONYS myspace but fact is you are dead wrong!{LE probably have screen shots of every inch of those pages and photos}
So again ………. Where did you get the photo?”
I know I have also been following this case from day one. I was never the one in question about that photo to begin with. I have it. Had it forever And all they photos I got early on has been that myspace. Talk to YURI about it, and Jean is the one to be asking not me. I was trying to help. Don’t interject me into this. And don’t be a smart A$$. you don’t me. And I don’t have answer to you.
Shyloh-
Deep cleansing breathe. Are you saying you and Jean had the cropped version of this photo, or are you saying you have and had this FULL photo “forever”- just to clarify.
For the record if one person takes it upon themselves to call Det Melich over what myspace has a photo, get a life.
The man is busy with real work.
B
wsh, I was thinking the same!! But was visualizing ‘Deep Throat’ dark night parkade meetings ala Hal Holbrook and Robert Redford in ‘All the President’s Men’.
I realize now, equally good would be the ‘funny’ dark parkade ‘Orange Level’ scene from ‘Trading Spaces’ two undercover meetings with ‘Mr. Beaks’– the set up and the sting.
From my own experience here in Chicago, I attended a murder trial and sat every day with the victim’s family. Without going into any detail, the victim was my son’s best friend. When it was time for closing arguments, the defense made their remarks first. Then the prosecution gave their arguments. But, the defense then had one more opportunity to make their case. They got the last word. Don’t know if that’s how it is everywhere though.
Not re the photo right now, but back to the timeline of cell phone pings that PPoirot posts #629 capturing Maura’s earlier findings:
If the pings do indeed show KC either at the A house, on the way to Tony’s or at Tony’s for all of July 16th, then doesn’t that rule out kidnapping in a nutshell? No kidnapping on the 16th, no defense as far as I can see. All the alternate scenarios and pointing the finger etc seem moot.
And thanks for the bit of levity now and then B & others. Guessing games, etc. Can’t spend all day just crying for the lost little ones, tho I feel that way today.
#571 Kleat
“but we could also speculate that IF this were from someone who was to become the focus of the investigation, should the body be found, what better than to say ‘HERE’S YOUR BABY AND YOUR GIFTS FOR HER BACK!!’ as a ’set up’ for someone who may have given that particular ‘gift’ to the child.”
True, very true … but the first question I would want to know is, how would the intended “suspect” have gotten Caylee and or those “gift clothes” in the first place? Those would’ve been in the Anthony home somewhere, given as a gift or otherwise. So how would said alleged suspect Casey wanted to point the finger at have gotten those clothes in order to have had them at the crime scene along with Caylee in the 1st place then? Doesn’t really add up for stranger blame. The clothes having been Caylee’s, in possession of the Ants in their home, still points to Casey and no one else. How would Casey even think that strategy could possibly work? If she really thought it would, then she missed something completely in “Crime set-ups 101″ don’t ya think?
P.S. I don’t remember any objections during closing arguments in the murder trial.
westsidehudson, your quip about expecting to see aliens in the grocery store rags cracked me up because in the pic of caylee in her pink shirt I think Casey’s neck look’s abnormally long, like ET’s.
Blink
You need to scroll down the page
http://www.nationalenquirer.com
I see said the blind blink as she picked up her hammer and saw.
Thanks, size 12 I would say.
B
Blink, I misread your second sentence about *someone*– I thought first it was the someone referring to himself as ‘not a very big player in this case’… now I get it! Amazing how many ‘fake’ people are in this case– is there any way to tie and convict ‘Todd Black’ for some fraud, and how did Casey connect with him and why did Baez (presumably as a professional) not check him out??? Back to the ‘zip it’ connection– and is this a worry for Baez even moreso for his own career and future, or is it just about how Casey profited from her daughter’s murder case and fears of this getting out? If there is a ‘deal’ with Casey, the state going to have to promise to ‘keep sealed’ this ‘zip it’ material– so that she can keep what she gets, and her lawyer can keep what they get?
(RE: Henady, thanks– another mistake– I linked, but forgot it was to the ‘page’ and not to the story. It’s sure good it’s the weekend!!)
Blink….the photo Suz is looking at is the link post at 3:10 by mpgmouse. That’s the only one that I have opened and I saw the tennis shoes and sears bag….has to be that link.
CORRECTION: to earlier post i meant matthew crisp_the leasing agent -should be interviewed by john morgan re: zenaida connection,as intentional act.,regardless,i meant matthew crisp not chris stutz.
Look here Blink
http://www.nationalenquirer.com
Cindy re: the Luke P Lucas Ginette Jeanette (who needs accurate naming in this case !! )
Cindy also forgot to mention that Ginny said she talked to the A’s early on, that she received a teddy bear (TEDDY??? or a generic one– didn’t matter to get it right to Cindy, not for the sham they were setting up)– the teddy bear that belonged to Caylee or was from the home supposedly.
Then there was a map and photo of Caylee, but those could have been dl’d from the net of course.
Hi All, first post but long time reader. This site is great and I love all the contributions…big, big fan of Blink.
I wanted to point out the National Enquirer links are not working – says page “under construction” when I click on them. I am desperate to see the photos and wondering if anyone else is having the same problems? I live outside the States, could that be the reason?
TIA
Thanks, Granmomma, and sorry, Blink! The MOUSE link is indeed the one that shows the fuller photo—click on it and it will take you to the “celebrity” (gawd) story that has the up-close pic that leaves out the drawers in the background, the sneakers, the gold glittery thing on the floor on top of the red plastic whatzit, etc. And the ugly (rental apt?) carpet in the room (apologies to anyone here who has that carpet, I am sure it is lovely in person).
Deep cleansing breathe. Are you saying you and Jean had the cropped version of this photo, or are you saying you have and had this FULL photo “forever”- just to clarify.
For the record if one person takes it upon themselves to call Det Melich over what myspace has a photo, get a life.
The man is busy with real work.
B
Blink I don’t have a full version. Nor does Jean. I never even put mine on myspace I was friends with Cindy, on Casey’s and Lee when this case first started. Jean did. Jean is the one in question at the bottom I believe of Lee’s deposition.
She is a friend of mine. Only on myspace. I asked her where she got that pic because I was seeing someone speaking of her here. She said she didn’t remember.
ok, so with that in mind, are you saying the findcaylee site did have it at one time, it did not, or you don’t know.
Thanks for your patience. Has there been any chat as to where this photo was taken?
B
BLINK! I know where the confusion with the National Enquirer photos is now. If you click on the front page of the NE – you get an entirely better (smaller) photo but one that isn’t cropped. Scroll down. When you click on the story that is on the front page – you get a cropped photo.
Try that? Hope it helps clear this up because I have been THOROUGHLY confused.
Just to be abundantly clear, you should see the bigger pic at this link http://www.nationalenquirer.com/ if you scroll down past Richard Ramirez, Soupy Sales (RIP), and JR Ewing. Just don’t click on the pic (except to right click in order to magnify it or save it).
Dominic Casey has filed motion today to get out of his November deposition by the state:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21405276/detail.html
His privilege log is attached (well… it’s not a ‘log’, it’s the actual statement in the motion itself):
– in essense, states that he was working for the lawyers for the ‘three adults’– which would be Casey (Baez), George and Cindy as a couple (Brad from November after Mark NeJame– or NeJame too, who would NOT help Casey as per his agreement to help the parents).
What kind of proof is that of a ‘LOG’?
And it still contradicts his testimony in his last hearing about same subject.
but justice23, couldn’t the shirt have been a gift from Zanny to caylee (zanny with her giant size 12 feet) and it was something she kept over at her mysterious apartment in case the kid needed a change of clothes, as kids do? (not what I believe of course but isn’t it a way they could tell the story?)
In regards to the uncropped photo: You know, Lee has said many times that he and Casey were messy people. Such as in his comment about Casey’s bag at Tony L’s and how neatly it was packed. He thought Tony must have packed it – not a ‘Casey way to pack’. And those tennis shoes look like the shoes Lee wears. Maybe it was Lee’s photo. I’ll try to find a pick of Lee in his tennis shoes to post here shortly.
Also, I believe I read that no matter where the trial gets moved to for a change of venue that Judge Stan Strickland is still going to be the judge. I remember how happy I felt when I read that because I believe he is upstanding.
Thanks, ChicagoJudy, and sorry about your son’s friend. Hope justice was served in that case. I think it probably IS that way everywhere, for the sake of fairness, so the defendant’s team gets one last shot at impressing the jury. (but obviously I don’t know for sure, which never seems to slow me down, lol)
Aha, apparently site is blocked to the UK. I am in Aus so it must be the same for us as well. As per wik:
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As of March 2009, UK and Irish visitors are still presented with a blank page reading ‘Page unavailable/under construction’ when visiting the website. The magazine continues to be sold in Irish supermarkets.
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Would any kind soul care to post the picture somewhere for me to look at?
Wait one minute– Tennis claims that Dom Casey was under agreement with the Anthony’s “beginning October 17, 2008″ yet Mark NeJame did not withdraw his services until just before the November ‘woods’ video taping issues.
SO, if Mark NeJame was the Anthony’s lawyer at the time, he was also involved with Dominic Casey and his work for the Anthony’s as their lawyer, according to this ‘Privilege Log of Dominic Casey”.
“2. That Mr. Case [typo-- Ms. Tennis doesn't proof read well] was hired by the Baez Law Firm for legal work beginning July 28, 2008; and by Case [another Tennis typo] Anthony beginning September 12, 2008; and by George and Cindy Anthony beginning October 17, 2008.”
So, how does this reconcile with Mark NeJame’s role as ‘NOT helping Casey’ (therefore NOT part of any joint defense) being the Anthony’s lawyer until into November vs ‘Privilege Log’ of DC, and Brad Conway’s entry into the picture on some date? (or did Conway work for the Anthony’s in the same timeframe as Mr. NeJame– that makes no sense given their different positions on helping the defense).
Blink ..I have a question
The letters found look different than the letters in the photo
the photo looks like iron on I thought the one found where like
sew on. am I wrong?
#592 Blink (response)
“This is what I have been saying. Feb 2009 they had a cropped photo (someone). The piece appeared in Oct 2008, and assumably sold before that. There is zero chance the SA would not subpoena the full file photo from the Globe, of a murder victim wearing the shirt she was ultimately found with, from an article printed 2 months prior to the discovery of her remains and 4 months after she was missing. Z E R O. We WILL know who sold it, but probably sealed until trial.”
I know this has been a heated debate since this recent discovery, but I was under the impression LE had this information for quite awhile regarding the recent photo.
The Globe photo didn’t initially stand out for me either when it was 1st published back in October of 2008 either, because we didn’t yet have the information we have now about the Trouble shirt being with her remains, hence no connection. Caylee wasn’t found til December, so although I do vaguely remember seeing that photo last year on the cover in the grocery store around that time, other than having an eerie feeling about it for some reason at the time(Caylee reaching out, pointing at someone we can’t see and Casey holding her, with her pupils very dilated), I had no reason to believe it was actually significant. It wasn’t til I happened across it several days ago that suddenly that connection was made, hence my hysteria at the time.
I’m kicking myself now because I remember actually reading the article in line at the store while waiting. I was going to buy it out of curiosity and read it later, but decided against paying for what I usually consider from the Globe to be trashy reporting and so decided against it. Instead, I just read it in line while waiting, but for the life of me, I can’t remember anything from the actual article now. If memory serves me however, I don’t think there were truly any “Bombshells” that I remember. Had there actually have been, with the way I’ve been regarding this case,I know I probably would’ve went against my better judgement and bought it anyway. The fact that I didn’t makes me think there wasn’t much to the article at all, but now I am dying to actually have that article and picture first hand with everything we know about it now. Dang nab it all to pieces! Kicking myself now.
It’s time for a bit of comic relief in here– Hal Boedecker comes through once again to help lighten the ‘case’:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-in-media-circus-her-family-is-like-the-three-stooges.html
Yes, Kleat. Hal is funny!
You know- in that pic there’s not doubt ( or at least I think no doubt) that Caylee is wearing the shirt. IIRC it’s a 3T. It looks loose too. My kiddo was average sized and she was always one sized bigger than her age- in size 4T at age 3, 3T at 2- you know what I mean– especially if it’s foreign made!! We can all remember those clothes made in China- their kids must have small heads LOL. Casey’s hair though looks like the pics at Fusian.
kleat, thanks for posting that. Apropos of nothing, I see Ms. Tennis ESQ breaks with the format Baez and Lyon use by signing her filing “Attorney for Casey Anthony (the other two use something like “one of the attorney’s for casey anthony”).
I found what, is to me, an AHA moment in Cindy’s depo. I posted this at another site also and was wondering if anyone else caught this:
It has ALWAYS been said by (mostly) Cindy that Casey could not come forward about Caylee “missing” for all that time, because if she told her family, if she went to the police, Caylee and/or the family would be in such great danger. Even in jail, Casey says she just cannot say anything, the family would be in !!Danger!! And according to Cindy, that is why Casey is giving “clues”, Caylee or them could be hurt, So the following is a follow up question by Mr. George starting on page 552 (of the DEPO not any PDF pages) and I can’t copy so I am giving the gist of it:
Q (question to Cindy) You said on July 16th Casey sent out a mass Text.
A (answer by cindy) Yes
Q Who’s idea?
A My idea…with Casey to alert as many people as we could (that Caylee was missing)…we were going online putting up a myspace…..and ALERTING PEOPLE that way……..
Q…..did Casey object?
A No, absolutely not
Q SHE WASN’T AFRAID THAT WOULD PUT ANYBODY IN DANGER?
A NO
crickets…crickets
So, Casey could not tell a SOUL all that time and when in jail that Caylee was taken/kidnapped GONE! But, OK, no problem let’s alert everyone I know with twxt messages and everyone I know and don’t know on Myspace, Facebook….
That is one of my personal AHA, gotcha moments.
You’re welcome suz. And yes, the bad guy got 60 years in prison with no parole. He was 16 when he did the crime, so don’t think he’ll be hurting too many people when he’s out at age 76.
“# 742_Comment by lol
The cropped photo did not originate from any of The Anthony’s sites. How do I know that because like everyone here I have followed from the start and viewed every Anthony myspace page and that photo was never there!
Also if that photo was there as you state the media and THe STATE would of had it just like every other photo! No one ever seen that photo before on any forum I visited.
Now it is simple to just say THE ANTHONYS myspace but fact is you are dead wrong!{LE probably have screen shots of every inch of those pages and photos} So again ………. Where did you get the photo?”
Whoa there lol. You sound as if you are taking this thing personally. What gives?
CB, it makes sense that you are blocked from those sites because the UK has such stricter laws about being able to sue for defamation, from what I recall.
CB — I’ve saved the National Enquirer photo. But don’t know how to get it to you! Do you want to open up a generic email account that I can send it to?
Well, here are Lee’s sneakers in July 08. Those shoes dont match these.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/lee-anthony-19.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/&usg=__Q_sAXEN-vE41Hevuql7AhFaysBY=&h=339&w=631&sz=44&hl=en&start=19&tbnid=JmajuI99U4hYKM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLEE%2BANTHONY%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18
No way, if Lee wears a size 7 I would be surprised
B
Cheryl, I dunno, people think the oddest things (imho) are cute or funny to put on children and sometimes buy what I think are really inappropriate (racy, vulgar) shirts. So it could easily have been a gift, or something Casey herself bought.
I do think too much is read into the meaning, at least in terms of originally BUYING the shirt, but recall that early on people were speculating (back in the day when the media was saying the full text was “Big Trouble Comes Small,” while I yelled at the television, Big trouble comes in small packages!) that Casey had the shirt MADE.
HI Suz and ChicagoJudy…thanks for your responses. It has been driving me crazy today, not being able to see the photos. I am in Australia and I guess our libel laws being similar to UK’s must apply as well.
ChicagoJudy that is so very sweet of you to have saved the photos and offer to send them to me. I don’t mind if you send them to my email account that I have used for this site.
Would Blink pass my email on to you do you think? I’m not sure of the protcol here and don’t know how else to get my email to you.
I’m thinking, for the moment, at least, that carefree Casey sauntering into her lawyer’s office, day in day out, free on bail, not being questioned at home, and enjoying the cameras took all of her photos en mass for the purpose of sales to maintain counsel. Todd Black (agency PR) either took a bunch, brokered the deal with American Media, and they bought several (many), or were given a selection from which to choose. With a missing daughter, and no calls made to 911, I don’t recall if the party pictures were out of Casey yet at the time, but what other photo would you have selected as an editor to tell the story? That one says it all. She was “trouble” to Casey. So I still don’t know if there was a tip-off to how the shirt would be found with the remains. However, it does paint a terribly sleazy picture of Casey and Baez selling out a missing, later to be found dead, baby’s image. And if it comes out at trial that Casey sold this particular photo and she is found guilty, the jurors will consider her one cold bitch, selling that photo knowing that that was the shirt that Casey left with her daughter.
Just a teensy weensy little bit of snark in that Miss B? Size 7?:)
sorry, I meant with tube socks on, your right.
B
#786_Linda NY “aha moment”
Good catch!
Shyloh – You have lots of great pics on your own Caylee blog that I haven’t seen before regarding the searches, etc. Were you there? I noticed you have your own blog from Marinade Dave’s site.
- – - – - Blink? I hope you don’t mind if I link? Don’t post if you don’t think appropriate, ok? – - – -
http://justiceforcaylee.synthasite.com/
Yep, very good catch Linda NY, I completely missed that.
I have a vague recollection of one day when Casey was “conferring” with her attorney and she was wearing a HUGE backpack. Do you all remember that day? It looked like that thing weighed 30 pounds on her back. Wonder what else was in there besides photos?!
Debbie, look again at the color photo and compare the font of the letters in BIG with the ones from the remains (page 7 here http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=12906766). They look to be the same.