Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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#977: I see what you are talking about. Sure looks like something in her hand. Whitish in color, shape of a cross???? IDK
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/acandyrose/cayleeanthony/caylee_anthony-0018-globe3-082508.jpg (GLOBE – August 25, 2008)
kew17, Thinker, and Blinker
Really good find.
This picture looks so odd – - so deliberately and drastically altered compared to what we have seen with the other pics. Both of the faces look so different, especially Caylee’s (nothing to do with her head tilted back. I would not have recognized her except for what we previously had seen.
Interesting that the t-shirt lettering was distorted even back then for an August 25th publication. Very interesting.
Thinker,
That June 2, 2009 date on the small pic with the bruise under the left eye, would that be when the photo was taken or when it was posted or uploaded to a computer?
48 Hrs images sold (and specifically chosen) for the 20 thousand payout. Last post, my point was– Cindy filling in every supporting reason for things, like the laundry bag ‘why’s and what-for’s, like the ‘chloro’ searches as per her mis-spelled chloro’phil’ for the chloroform, adding the story of the earlier pet dogs that died of cancer as the worry about chlorophyll as ‘poison’– (Scott B FBI had asked if any prior pet abuse in the home so that answers that question about how those dogs died).
Stop eating your green veggies!! (vets used to sell little green chlorophyll tablets to give to female dogs in heat to help avoid attracting males– maybe still on the market somewhere. And people chew on parsley for fresh breath. (where’s the common sense in this story about the computer chloroform searches?)
Whoops. Sorry Thinker … meant 2008 … not June 2, 2009.
I wonder if this is the photo that LE retrieved from Tony L’s phone.
I think CA was doing some serious mind-games at that time, playing RM and TL off one another. Probably lied to TL that RM did this to Caylee, for her own twisted reasons. Setting-up of RM is perhaps possible, or perhaps already manipulating TL to take care of her and Caylee, as in living together just the 3 of them – - except Tony L. was later looking for a new apartment right after June 16, still intending to live with one or 2 of the guys. Hmmmm.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19637691/detail.html#
Two of the last photos ever taken of Caylee were captured on June 2, 2008, at the Sutton Place Apartments, Pipitone reported. The pictures were taken by Anthony’s then-boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro, and law enforcement looked into whether the photos showed evidence of possible child abuse.
photo shows an apparent bruise or scrape under Caylee’s right eye.
Cindy Anthony, said at a hearing last year that Caylee bumped into a table and that caused the apparent bruise or scrape. But that incident happened in January 2008, according to police records.
The photos in question were taken a year ago (June 2), exactly two weeks before Caylee was last seen alive
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/document-dump-in-casey-anthony-case-april-6-2009/
scroll down to:
Document Dump in Caylee Anthony Case April 6, 2009
2009 April 6
photos from Tony L phone
Ok, this might be the second most angering thing about what this baby was subject to-
Casey was a good Mother? What effing Mother knows a dude for like a week, this is the FIRST TIME her daughter met him ( dont even get me started with that) and she is pictured on the bed with a shirtless guy on his camera phone.
Does everyone see how completely W R O N G that is on every level?
B
I have a somewhat disturbing thought about Caylee’s little boo boo’s underneath each eye on 3 different occasions – cold that be from the edge of duct tape applied to her face (eyes) while she was drugged and stashed at various times while Casey went on with her own personal whatever?
These small sores have always seemed too strange for coincidence. I have 4 boys from 16-28. I’ve seen everything (trust me). If she bumped her cheek there would be a pronounced bruise and quite possibly a black eye. This bugs me.
#964 Thanks, Marcy! Yep, I never get over the performance art of the Anthonys — especially in the jail tapes. All four are extremely bad actors. For example, we know that Casey drove GA crazy and he was never allowed to do anything about her. Cindy told her co-workers that Geo. and Casey were always fighting. Ah, but Casey is “Gorgeous” and “Princess” and “Anthony CEO” to Geo. on visiting day.
Cindy, as you noted is profoundly disturbed, and as Silversprn noted, is a coniving woman. Merely From Psychology 101 and observing a particular female of our extended family, I’d say, not everything, but much stems from Cindy having partnered just the wrong man for her particular personality disorder.
I’m not advocating this, mind, but remember Sean Connery’s much reviled statement of “Women are like gongs; they should be struck soundly and often”? Tempering that philsophy a bit, I think Cindy needed a much firmer hand in her mate. The way it works in a lot of families is that the good provider is the one with the macho. Cindy is boss and she both demands the job and resents it terribly.
I won’t go into any of the romance stuff, but complete frustration in every room in that house seems to be the order of the day in her marriage, so somewhere along the way Cindy decided to live through her children, especially Casey.
I always wondered if Cindy wasn’t simultaneously disapproving and cops a plea or goes away for an eternity, will we see Cindy come into her own? G’bye George; I’m outta here,dude! Ha! Or will she be on the “Casey is framed” train for the rest of her life?
One more follow up on the Rico photos, possible clothing kept at Rico’s for stay-overs fitting with the ‘nanny had clothing for Caylee’ and ‘apt being Zanny’s apt’.
That couch photo reminds me of an evening photo, pre-bedtime for 2 1/2 year olds and if so, was the pink shirt and the soft pants, Caylee’s ‘sleep-over’ clothes?
That would explain why these clothes would be left at Rico’s (or carried in Casey’s car vs home), and would explain why Cindy never recalled this shirt with writing on it, and might explain why it was available outside the home and would not be missed.
Rico will be able to tell whether clothes were left over at his place, and whether bedding was included, like the W-t-P quilt and the little air-mattress.
If Caylee died at night on the 15th, or was changed into something that the parents were not familiar with after she was moved from the home, that pink top might have been in the car and available to use. Cindy would not have missed it.
# 995 ‘Puter User Snafu. My last paragraph made no sense. I said I wondered if Cindy wasn’t simultaneously disapproving and envious of Casey’s free-wheeling lifestyle. If Casey cops a plea or goes away for an eternity will we see Cindy come into her own? G’bye George; I’m outta here dude! Ha! Or will she be on the “Casey is framed” train for the rest of her life?
# 961__lol__”It was sent to Yuri in a link ,only because I found it a few days before docs came out and when I read docs pertaining to letters on shirt I REMEMBERED where I seen photo.”
You found the photo BEFORE docs came out. And the photo was significant because? You knew it was connected. How? lol, You sent the photo….
So, where exactly did you see it? Only on Jean’s site?
“Yuri was told was I FOUND THIS PHOTO HERE ,not much more.”(lol)
Here, meaning where? Where did you find it?
I’m not trying to freak you out. You were slightly aggressive in your post to Jaden’s grandma. You have expressed anger. And yet, at the same time, I believe you. For whatever reason, you have pegged this to a time period, haven’t you? When did you find this photo? You knew it was important. What angers you so?
The only place I ever seen it prior to the docs that said what was on shirt was JEAN’s page.
I remembered photo because I had never seen it anywhere before that.
Which is why I remembered it.
I knew Jean was just a Caylee supporter just by viewing her page.
Oh and by the way check out websleuths MOMTECTIVE says someone posted that photo way back in August 2008 and she asked if it was Caylee and was told by the poster it was her child.
Sorry if I came off as mad,but this photo is freaking me out!
I believe you were responding to West Side, but if I may-
If momtective or anyone else says it was posted previously on a site, it should be very easy to prove, no?
Also, nothing against momtective, she may be right, however, I believe she supplied Nancy Grace with some youtubes via websleuth support that turned out to be copyright infringements. Nancy was furious and was not shy about her feelings on the matter.
Let’s all agree, until we can find the “origin” online of the cropped photo or other, we cannot really speculate on it.
B
Comment by cherylz — October 22, 2009 @ 1:45 pm:
(snipped)
“I have read 2 comments here in Re: the pic from TL’s cell phone, dated 6/2/08.”
Thinker, the June 2 date on the pic had already been addressed. I missed it. Sorry to have bothered you. (Thank you to cherylz)
In the 48 Hours Mystery video, when they say a “little girl that Cindy babysits, they are talking about the former neighbor, and family friend who is a fierce defender of Casey, Holly Gagne. They interview Holly just a little past the middle mark of the video and you see Cindy in the right of the screen holding Holly’s daughter and swinging with her. Then at the end you see the same little girl (same hair, same clothes, same size) playing in Caylee’s bedroom.
SuzeeB
“#990 wpgmouse
Heres a couple links for you mousey, pick your poison.”
Ha … I am going to take that remark with nothing but fondness.
Thanks SuzeeB for the 2 links. The first one has over 700 images (I quit tonight after 100 and something, but thank you) and the 2nd link doesn’t have what I’m looking for. Much appreciate it, though.
Blink said….
You know what, is there anyone that can speak to the ’silk screening” process of this garment?
It does seem as though some letters are individual, and parts of words are connected.
Kinda freakin me out, actually.
B
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I might as I was in the t shirt transfer/screen business several years ago. At first when I heard the phrase I thought “t shirt transfer” as we had one design back then that said the same thing. I have attempted to look at transfer catalogs to find it… some of the ones we used are now out of business and it could be out of date too.
This link will show the transfers and the type. Hard to cut one out letter by letter once applied with heat. Heat transfers along with screen printing are directly on the shirt and will not come off…but, if washed right side out might loose some of the print due to friction or dryer heat crack…but never come off.
I think the Target shirts may have been a “puff” type that could possibly have peeled off due to the elements it went threw IMO. With the “puff” process it is applied at lower heat, allowed to cool first while rubbing then peeling paper off. These have been known to come off and very hard to work with… (we lost a lot of shirts with this one)This process came about around 2001 and continues today. The “puff” print applied actually has a “plastic” feel to it, much unlike screen/heat transfers which feel more like ink/paint. Some “puff” prints have a glittery affect within them.
Without actually seeing one it would be hard to say what method was used to make the shirt. No Target around here to check either.
http://www.thompsontransfers.com/Youth5.html
Thanks for that, but can you explain any scenario where some letters come off individually and others as words?
B
Blink
The couch shot with the window background is definitely at RM’s apartment, unless CA took Ricardo to Tony’s and Tony took the shot, which is one way how the photo got onto his cell phone.
There is a matching fuller shot with Ricardo sitting to the right of Caylee. His arm is partially visible in the cropped version that was taken off TL’s phone. The arm is too full to be TL’s.
Either CA loaded it or sent it to TL’s phone to tick him off by blaming RM for the bruise, or Tony L. actually was the one who took the photo at RM’s apartment (even though RM told LE he thinks CA took it).
Actually, the idea that these 2 guys would be in the same apartment at the same time with Casey and Caylee? With CA, almost anything is possible. She was seeing both of them at that time.
Where is the link to the matching photo, you ask? Saw it yesterday, can’t find it at all today. Have asked Thinker or anyone for help.
In your opinions, what do you all think of this possibility. The 1st degree murder case is in the hands of the jury. They return with an obvious guilty verdict. Then comes the penalty phase, deciding life with no parole, or death. That is when Lyons, George, Cindy, etc are allowed the opportunity to basically “plea” for the court to spare her life. Could this be the moment, where, the detailed truth finally comes out, her methodical scheme, down to the letter, is explained, along with the how, when, where, and why? Although LE would have already had the basics of those questions, and Casey can “fill in” the remaining gaps of those questions?
Blink, if the ‘B i G’ letters are, for example, done with some thermographic process (that makes raised inks as the ink is heated as an example), then some of the letters, which are screened as separate letters that touch each other, might have the soft and plastic ink, flow into the edge of the next letter. Maybe how much attachment area of ink there is between letters, and how close the letters are screened to each other, have letters touching or their plastic inks blend together in places. So this might cause some of the letters to hold together, some more than others, just depending how the closely the letters were screened.
Some words might have their letters attached well together. That might be a start to explain why some are attached, some aren’t. And there might even be variation from one garment to next. (if anyone has used the raised thermographic process for some printing, you can notice differences in thickness of raised lines or text, for example)
There might be one ink layer for that solid pink ‘shadow’ and one layer for the top shiny layer– if someone can get a hold of a T like this, same mfg at least, then the process could be understood better.
Blink said…
Thanks for that, but can you explain any scenario where some letters come off individually and others as words?
B
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Yes, depending on the actual transfer and the way the artist laid out the letters. lol, hard for me to explain. But the letters on Caylees shirt seem to be seperated with the background of the pink shirt showing. If the artist of the print drew letters that were connected, kinda what we did as teens with the bubble letters where they all appeared connected… then the plastisol ink would be all together ie “small” for instance could all be connected where as “B I G” would be independent letters with the shirt showing between them.
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/21stcreations/Letters.jpg
I’m trying to view the pics here with what is posted so far but not getting to far with these old eyes
Anyone found a clear picture of the “small” showing?
Pipitone is confusing me.
Okay, so LE got 2 photos off of Tony L.’s phone.
One is this window in the background with the mark showing on the left cheek (unlike the right cheek in other photos).
But the article is not showing the 2nd photo from TL’s phone. The video link in the article shows a grainy image of Caylee on a pool chair that Pipitone say’s you can’t make out the mark, but then cuts to the window photo from RM’s aprtment. Have we ever seen the pool photo of Caylee, and is the mark there?
Now that I see this photo with the June 2 date on it in context with the article, it appears it was the TV station that put that date graphic on themselves for the broadcast.
(a perpetrator does NOT need an open gate, to steal a child– not when that same perp then returns to the same house, for materials to tie the household to the crime. That makes no sense, unless it’s ‘personal’. And if it’s ‘personal’, then it is also coincidence that the child was out on the relatively quiet street alone at the right time that this person came by or the gate was open and the perp saw the child within reach or to call out to them).
The defense would have to narrow this ‘George or whoever left gate open accidentally’ date to help make it acceptable. Leaving a gate open is not a DP offense in and of itself. And, if the gate was left open, that might have been quickly obvious when the dogs were let out into the back yard as someone returned home from work (Cindy said that was her routine). The dogs could then easily be out in the street or in the front yard. The date would be more memorable if this were to have happened.
Can’t see my post explanation to Blink on the letters… But Kleat’s got it…yeah. Some letters the artist seperated, others seem to flow together. The INK used in these particular transfers is a plastic type ink that gives a glossy look to it and is very fluid.
I can’t seem to locate a picture of the full shirt and none to compare to but in this pb link, small appears to have been mean to flow together while B I G is spaced and you see the background ie pink t shirt.
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/21stcreations/Letters.jpg
itsMeLyn, it did look like the smaller size font words were ‘blended’ and attached or even drawn together maybe for the ‘shadow pink’ screen, which would provide one later of attachment before the more blue-purple glitter layer was added.
Would there be three layers? There is also a dark outline on the letters so would this be a third screen? The top glossy or glittery layer be the ‘thickest’?
The jury will not have to rely on photographs alone, they will be able to see the original letters themselves, and compare to the ‘sample’ of a ‘new’ shirt too. I think all will be very clear to them– and having those letters means what they were attached to is all but gone– drives home what happened to the shirt that the child wore, without question (whether the shirt was actually ‘on’ the body or not– Caylee did wear that shirt– it’s going to be SO powerful to see those playfully designed and coloured letters juxaposed with a sweet child’s horrific end and setting, nevermind any meaning attached to the motto.)
Regarding the Silkscreening/ iron on process I found something very interesting on youtube. I don’t know how to post a link- my computer whiz isnt home. But if you go to youtube and put this in the search box it will be the 1st video that pops up.
DIY Make custom printed T shirts – Inkjet Iron on Transfer
It seems you can make up your own iron transfers and print them out on your printer.
Kleat and It’sMELyn
You are right, the lettering is probably applied with a thermal process.
Given the prolonged hot and moist environment, maybe the lettering released from the fabric because the “adhesive” was reactivated.
Another scenario is so dark, but here it goes. Possibly some words were cut out from the shirt before it was put on Caylee and tossed separately either in the bag with Caylee’s remains or another bag, with those words being “in packages”, leaving “Big Trouble Comes Small” on the t-shirt.
This is from page 9336-38 of the last big State release which – -
starts on pg. 9336 The following items were recovered by the District Nine Medical Examiner’s office with a portion of the remains.
from pgs. 9337-8 Clothing: letters, stitching, stretch material (Analyst note: The letters found with CAYEE’s remains are believed to be from the shirt she was wearing. They will spell out “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages.” The words “packages” and “in” were covered at the crime scene and are enclosed as separate items of evidence with this submission. It has been theorized that CAYLEE was intentionally placed in this shirt because of what it says.)
Feeling a little weak at the knees typing this. Page 9726 shows a grouping of the items, but there is a large blacked out portion. Perhaps it is the front of the shirt with the cut-outs of the 2 words. I don’t know. CA had a lot of crafting tools in her room. Just a theory.
Throwing this out there as well, but the letters were found in different “elevations” of mud/muck.
How does that factor?
B
Momof3, yes, I did that once, is neat. I don’t think these would be iron on’s because they are done in China with cheap labour vs high tech– is my guess.
I want to make another t sometime, got some ideas for something fun. If not a tee, maybe just ‘canvas’ pieces that can be made into something else. Fun.
This is not for discussion, but found this pic I don’t remember seeing before of Caylee– it must be one that ABC paid for as it’s got a credit marked on the photo. So many of what have been out there for a year are so familiar, this wasn’t so sharing, fwiw:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KTDMPYTX4aI/SPoBcS9xWkI/AAAAAAAAAVo/AwvIfphr5Xg/s400/caylee+easter.jpg
Confused. At least that is consistent.
My understanding has always been that a lawyer cannot “accommodate” a client who lies under oath. And that event allows an exit. Am I wrong.
Heres a good link to example of the T Shirt in case you dont have it.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/23995063687760-07080035.jpg
The more I look at this, ..anyone else?
B
Mousey
I believe you were looking for this one too at one point Casey and Caylee with mark on cheek http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/Sl5WscTprhI/AAAAAAAAHHI/1-hDC8pRZjM/s400/casey-caylee-anthony.jpg
Didn’t the Anthonys have these posters made up for Caylee. Is not the bottom picture on the poster the one of Caylee at Ricardos.
Isn’t this also one of the photos in NE or Globe?
http://www.third-option.com/WoW/uploaded_images/caylee-anthony-793070.jpg
Yes, that photo was on Casey’s thumb drive, iirc that George gave to Yuri on the eve of the 15th. Cindy makes a big deal about it to John Allen a bit later. Here’s my point- in that regard, it is proof Casey had pics not necessarily taken by her, but Ricardo, at his pad in her posession.
B
Thank you to everyone who posts on this site. I barely have time to read let alone post, but I found an interesting site regarding Casey’s computer searches.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
To the question of Casey being smart or not, MO is that she is “most definitely” and “absolutely” not as smart as she thinks she is, look up urban dictionary on google and you will find some interesting things. I believe that Casey met up with a new crowd and did not know their slang words. So what does she do? She asks google, but she should have looked up the words/phrases on urban dictionary. Keep in mind, I need a dictionary to understand this dictionary. Look what I found:
Breaking necks- when you’re so hot that people break their necks when they try to look back at you. Example- I’m so fine, I got people breaking necks when I walk out on the street
Neck breakin- when someone double takes your apparel (usually referring to shoes) because they are so fresh. Example- Wow! The new kicks are gonna cause so much neck breakin
Chloroform- best way to pick up girls
Shovel- to bs. Example- When he said he won the lottery, I knew he was shoveling
Peroxide- words to disguise the insult of b*tch (bleach into b*tch). Example- She has been so lame at the moment. I know, peroxide. ***Sorry Blink, if you have to edit***
Acetone- less vulgar word for finger (a sexual reference). ***You get the idea…
Alcohol- the cause of/solution to all life’s problems
Weapons- a horrendous pair of shoes ****???***
Then you have Cindy trying to cover for Casey looking up this info which just shows that she will lie “in any way possible”. Cindy says that Casey “thanked her” for calling 911!! Does anyone believe that?
Who comes up with these phrases that this family uses? They have their own language. It is crazy-making trying to listen or read anything they say.
No one will be able to get past the 31 days.
Casey’s affect following June 15/16 will be her undoing no matter what the Baez/Lyon team try to come up with to say that Caylee was kidnapped, accidentally drowned, or died in her sleep. Not only did she not tell anyone that Caylee was missing, she actively hid the fact that there was anything amiss in her life. Casey was “living the life”!!
I do not understand how Casey cannot plea, it makes no sense. The only chance they had for reasonable doubt was before Kronk found Caylee. I am very thankful that he did find her.
.Elizabeth Olten was just found in an area that had previously been searched. LE was shown where she was “very well concealed” by the 15 year old suspect, now charged with first degree murder. The defense of Casey will not be able to use the argument that Caylee was placed in the woods while Casey was incarcerated. I believe common sense will prevail with the jury.
Thank you again to all on this site who search, theorize, deduce and post everything for me to follow. Blink, thank you so much for providing this forum for us.
Kleat. The ink is not in layers but the glitter is added to the plastisol ink that is used. The design is all put on at once either to the shirt or a mirror (backwards) print put on transfer paper and applied with a heat press used in transfers… not a home iron (home iron will not work on these type transfers) The plastisol ink gives a rubbery type appearance/feel.
Momof3, you can make your own transfers as I also do those for small quantities, but it is a whole other process. Not what Caylee’s shirt had
This article discusses the Plastisol procedure along with other transfer methods.
http://www.unionink.com/articles/transfer.html
I’m with you blink- I don’t see enough room between the letters for them to come off separate! UH OH! Just more and more devious.
A good experiment would be to get one like this and stomp on it a few times in the mud and let it set in a bucket of water for a couple months and then in a garbage bag for a couple months. We might be able to tell if the letters so close could come off separate. I still think some scissors were involved though.
Yes, that photo was on Casey’s thumb drive, iirc that George gave to Yuri on the eve of the 15th. Cindy makes a big deal about it to John Allen a bit later. Here’s my point- in that regard, it is proof Casey had pics not necessarily taken by her, but Ricardo, at his pad in her posession.
B
Yes I do recall Cindy made a very big deal about that flash/thumb drive. In fact she went out of her way. I could hardly listen to it all. Also, the picture she took to the jail. Cindy made sure that was on tape. Casey saying no thats not Zannys apartment its Ricardos, but Zannys is set up just like that.
The more information we gain the more sense these conversations make when Cindy goes on and on and on about what seems to be stupid concerns at the time.
Well I haven’t heard, have you of Ricardo Morales acquiring a lawyer maybe that is telling.
These two are real pieces of work. Cindy should go right down with Casey.
No I have no not. Furthermore, in his interview Nov 4, he opens up his computer and emails to detectives and specifically said he had nothing to hide wrt to the Globe photos. He agrees to answer any future questions as well.
That said, I am confident we have not seen his entire interview or any subsequent interviews, we dont know all Ricardo has had to say, imo.
B
It seems to me that all the letters on that shirt (The pink glittery ones) are separated. I would have to say that the letters were cut out, the smaller letters just would have required too much work to do and very time consuming. Maybe got the s from small and decided it wasn’t worth it. Also, the collar being intact would make sense. If you cut up a shirt all you would really have left is the collar and I suppose you could also just cut that off as well. JMO. If the other letters that were not found with the body were at different layers of mud etc, that could be explained by the fact that they could have been stepped on at one time therefore pushing them further down into the muddy area???
Re, the picture of Caylee on the bed with the bruise under her right eye. I agree with you, Blink, if she is in fact in the bed with a shirtless TL. But it makes sense if that’s the case. Casey was writing “Mrs. Tony Lazarro” after knowing him for what — two weeks?
Another point about those pics… Little Caylee looks almost ghoulish. Her eyes are so sunken in and the circles are so dark, it doesn’t even look real to me. No little girl’s eyes should look like that. I’ve seen pics of little cancer patients who’s eyes look that way. What did that little baby have to endure at the hands of her mother? I can’t imagine, and I’m thinking we will never know.
I’m having a little snark attack. Lee’s depo, page 242, “… because Jesse absolutely loved Caylee, I mean, thought of her as her [sic] own (laughing), you know, his — his daughter, you know, would — would have tooken care of her if he, you know, if Casey didn’t want Caylee or whatever.”
The three “you knows” in one sentence are bad enough, but then when you add in the word “tooken”, I’m “absolutely” speechless! This, from a guy who considers himself to be extremely intelligent, capable of doing his own private investigations, and able to talk over everyone else. If Lee Anthony came to my office on a job interview and used the word “tooken”, he’d be shown the door and never contacted again!
SuzeeB thanks for that photo. If this shirt is a replica of what Caylee had on side by side with the link to the letters LE found. Although the one Caylee has on appears to have more glitter in the ink. It appears IMOO that they were actually cut out… very time consuming and requiring possibly a sharp exacto knife for the inside of the letters. Just from these pictures.
The “T” is a sharper angle on the left side, unless it is folded under. You can see the shadow effect of the letters and the pic of the shirt in SuzeeB’s link appear this might have been a 2 step screen process. The shadow with the “emphasis lines” done first stamp with a screen… then last process with the brighter pink letters stamped on top. The letters found by LE show the shadow effect but not the emphasis lines. Does that make sense?
In screenprinting each color is stamped on individually, sent through a drier, then 2nd color..drier, 3rd color..drier etc. Which is why screenprinting is more expensive than a heat transfer and only done in bulk.
IF someone has a shirt like this, you could take a very hot iron, extremely hot turn shirt inside out apply and hold heat to it and immediately attempt to pull of the letters. If they won’t come off then this shirt/letters were cut out.
Blink,
Re: Throwing this out there as well, but the letters were found in different “elevations” of mud/muck.
How does that factor?
B
From the time the body was dumped the animal activity commenced. Regardless of where the parts of the shirt were lying initially, they were likely dragged around and discarded wherever by the animals. Depending on where they were dropped there could have been more or less falling debris, mud, etc. It rained for a week solid during Hurricane Fay. If the animals were not there when it was flooded, they were there before and after. Dispersal patterns and topography changes, even minimal soil/water changes, coupled with various animal activity would account for the different locations/elevations in the muck. Make sense? I live here in Orlando and know the terrain out there in the A’s neighborhood….have seen the very eerie site on occasion after the remains were discovered.
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TY, I am clear on the “how”, I have taken up the painful process of educating myself on elevations/topography as it relates to this case. I have also studied the ME reports/Anthro reports until my eyes cross or I let my guard down and remember what I am really looking at. The “Big” “Trouble” and conjoined “comes” were found WITH Caylee’s remains. From what I can tell there only appears to be one panel equivalent of the shirt recovered.
B
Blink,
After reading several posts here and your comment about the shirt, I went back to re-read the Keith Williams articles you wrote. He found a bag that contained clothes and a sandal on Aug 18th. Several thoughts come to mind:
1. Casey cut out the ‘in packages’ from the shirt and placed those letters in with Caylee;
2. The remainder of the shirt, (possibly the pants) and sandals were placed in another bag and discarded separately, but in the vicinity of Caylee (hence, Casey’s statement, “they didn’t even find the clothes yet” to Tracy);
3. Williams found the bag of clothing just prior to the hurricane and took it to Cindy;
4. Cindy denied that anything in the bag belonged to Caylee;
5. Williams said that roots were already evident on the bag and clothing in August.
6. Officer Cain never filed an official statement from the incident;
7. Shorts may have been discarded later by someone on Casey’s side;
8. Letters from the shirt would be better preserved than the rest of the garment because they would be the thicker part and contain some adhesive that would not disintegrate as easy as just the shirt material.
Okay, those are my rambling thoughts – someone debunk these for me and see where we’re at…
And we can intimate that Dominic Casey was unaware of Keith Williams prior to that email from Cindy and the subsequent exchange. How is that possible?
B
Page 280 and 281 in part 2 of cindy’s state depo talks about Danielle Brophy referring to Caylee as a “package.” Cindy goes on to say that this Danielle said she heard Jesse refer to “the package being delivered to Puerto Rico.” And of course, Ricardo had been overheard saying that, “Caylee is safe in Puerto Rico.”
small packages hmm
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252744/detail.html
is itme #098 the hair clip? P. 10256
Also Pages:
P.10233 pic of all letters
10235 Big
10236 Trouble
10237 Comes
10238 Small
10260 In and Packages
10261 In
10262 Packages
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The group of the ripped shirt pieces and letters/words “Big Trouble Comes Small” appears to have been originally delivered to the Medical Examiner’s office with the “shroud” comprised of a “portion of the remains”, the canvas and plastic bags, Pooh Blanket, etc., if looking at the list coming from the ME’s office to the FBI on pages 9336-38.
The words “in” and “packages” are described “were recovered at the crime scene” (no wording of with other remains, and there is a photo of these 2 words found together with debris – items Q101 + Q102, page 9753), and “are enclosed as separate items of evidence with this submission.”
The words “Big Trouble Comes Small” is a much more personalized statement towards showing intent, premeditation, lack of remorse, blaming the victim, etc., than “Big Trouble Come in Small Packages”.
IMO this is a personal labeling of Caylee by her murdererer.
IMO, there was some manipulation or personalizing of a store-bought, off-the-rack shirt with the full slogan. This could support the statement from the ME Anaylst:
“It has been theorized that CAYLEE was intentionally placed in this shirt because of what it says.”
The photo on page 9726 has a large black out piece, which I am speculating may be the front of the shirt where the lettering was. Also, to note, this grouping photo does not include “in” or “packages”.
The reason why these 2 words were found together, but not with the other words and t-shirt pieces, IMO stems from a deliberate action on the part of the perpetrator. I will expand once I re-read the 301MB file of State released documents.
Anyone else is welcome to chime in on this.
Re: 1029 and Blink’s comment about something else re: the shirt BiG Trouble. I assume you don’t mean the colour difference between the clear version of the Globe photo and this one– the difference in colour and how the top layer of ink/glitter appears more blue– that could be due to the flash used in the first camera vs the lighting for the ‘new’ t-shirt. (just a suggestion/possibilty because flash can make some reds with blue in them appear a lot more blue)
I’m going to look to see if ‘iN’ is included with the crime scene lettering.
SMaLL and the ‘OMeS’ do appear like they can be held together by the inking… ‘IF’ the letters were cut apart, that takes time and some fairly steady handwork (just killed someone? that calm to cut out letters?). That will take some looking at the cotton material around those letters, there’s going to still be some, or patterns of some, still fused in that soft ink, so cut will probably be obvious.
That would put a whole new twist on premeditation, or intent in the messaging of this shirt, if this was done. An animal could drag frags of the shirt out of the bag and deposit them around, but why if it was not worn, unless just to chew the material and not take it to a den.
“The more I look at this, ..anyone else?
B?
Blink, are you looking at the placement of “in” and “packages” and the shape or easy route it would take to cut the fabric connecting those 2 words (as opposed to cutting just the letters or words out)?
CA had a lot of different scissors and cutting equipment in her craft supplies. Cutting the fabric would be a lot quicker and consistent with actions in a continuous state of rage.
This may be stretching it, but the words perhaps would fall around the area of the abdomen, the belly button, umbilical cord.
To quote Blink, “PUHLEASE” “Cindy goes on to say that this Danielle said she heard Jesse refer to “the package being delivered to Puerto Rico.” And of course, Ricardo had been overheard saying that, “Caylee is safe in Puerto Rico.” Cindy had saved the text messages from Danielle but her phone broke. I’ve seen their phone bills. With what they are paying, they should have much better service. The earlier ones she showed to Brad and Jose. OK that’s believeble!
Everyone is giving the Anthonys way too much credit. I think Blink was right when she said these clothes were in the hamper. The one Cindy doesn’t recognize although she has matching ones. Just like the shirt she doesn’t recognize in the photo that was on their web page.
“The more I look at this, ..anyone else?
B?
Just to add, a route taken from the bottom of the shirt up would first encounter the word “packages”, even by ripping . . .
The shirt tag was found still attached and stitched to the string-loop “seamline overcasting” of where the collar would be sewn to the garment.