Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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‘Plastisol’ has a formula that is in its entirety a ‘trade secret’. (source MSDS for ‘Plastisol’)
But whatever manufacturer in China, would have a suitable similar ink formula. Which if like Plastisol, would be non-toxic, stable to heat etc. (hopefully no toxic additives for children’s clothing) It’s probably an acrylic ink? Anyone know? Acrylics are very stable to the environment (at least we know from reading about the acrylic adhesives on ‘stickers’, that is the case).
You know, in reference to a previous post, I remember after some of the photos first came out in this case, I used the Urban Dictionary to find out what some of those hand gestures supposedly mean. There is some logic in this argument that this was attempt to find out what some jargon meant. If you follow that theory, it’s interesting to see what other meanings you can find such as what Casey could have really meant when she thanked her mother for calling the police. LOL
Who really knows though? It seems to me it would take some knowledge of that particular scene (i.e., Fusion, etc) to know their particular jargon…or at the very least, know the “culture” talk in that Orlando area.
I guess this theory could make sense in a “backwards sort of way.” “Absolutely.”
I think Casey bagged up the baby and put her in the trunk. When she had to remove the remains, I think she borrowed the neighbors shovel to remove it from her trunk. She propbably used the shovel or put it down in the yard before she washed it in the pool. Leaving the gate open and the ladder up. I’d be interested to from whose place the paper towels with the grave wax originated.
I think Casey ‘slung’ the bag into the woods. She put the large rectangular laundry bag back in her trunk. Somehow it ended up in a ripped bag in the garage.
The silkscreened letters were arranged across an iron on transfer. The tranfer sheet would hold all the letters on one sheet. That sheet would be affixed to the T-shirt. Think about that iron on hem tape. The letters would be applied to a large sheet of similar material as the hem tape. I think the clothes were with Caylee from the onset in the cylinder laundry bag or backpack/bag. The shirts without the letters was an organic fabric. It would deteriorate faster or may be eaten by bacteria or insects. The polyester blend shorts, not so much.
Blink . . . yeah, so that would make the back or the front of the shirt unaccounted for (as in made pubic), or an appoximate half of the shirt anyways. Wonder if that was recovered and “where”. Woah, more theories flying around with this thought
Blink, wpgmouse, what’s your bet that the FBI not only got the one example of the shirt, but ordered more than one, and have something for testing the fabric, it’s deterioration (well, maybe the Tennessee facility does that too, to establish timelines, conditions and results).
100%.
At the Body Farm as we speak.
B
(read back, thanks soulsister and others who cleared up the ‘iN’ being with the rest. )
thanks, Blink.
Now I am freaking myself out so I am going to quietly turn off my computer and take deep breaths…
One of the Urban Dictionary’s definition of shovel is:
“an object commonly used to hit children when they are not following proper authority.”
You know, I think complex thinking probably needs to be somewhat set aside. My guess is that the evidence will be much more simplistic so I think while I will read others’ concepts, I will quickly return from my trip to the “dark side.” I don’t like it there!
Sorry, but I had to come back to add this…LOL
IF the theory is true about the jargon, perhaps she was trying to see what someone had called her. Another urban definition of the word “shovel” just happens to be the homophone of hoe.
Blink it did seem to be to be sort of a weird interview (#4) with Ricardo when he was asked about the missing emails to Sharon at a the Globe. Seems to me that OSCO knew he deleted quite a bit of stuff but he claimed confusion about his POP3 email accounts were set up. He was also less than forthcoming about an apparent argument between one of the females in the clique and the rest. Something about a bad break up? I found him to be a tiny bit cautious.
Toy, please reveal what those ‘telephone call’ type hand gestures mean in all those photos– I’ve been wondering the same!
You know, I’ve been confused by one of Cindy’s sayings, which to me, sounds incredibly sarcastic in it’s words and when it’s used, but not apparently read that way by the person spoken to. Because not only did this expression come up in the jail videos (Casey said it to her mother) ‘well, thank you very much’ in a sarcastic tone, but it was not taken as sarcasm nor apparently intended as sarcasm. Then IIRC, Cindy used the same saying in the undercover audio of her lunch with the head cheeze of OSCO. So must be a common use, but I don’t quite get how it fit especially with Cindy and Casey because it sounded so sarcastic and not humourous from Cindy to Casey but they were clearly on the ‘same page’ with the meaning. Strange, maybe I’m outta touch.
# Comment by Kleat — October 25, 2009 @ 1:47 pm
“Blink, wpgmouse, what’s your bet that the FBI not only got the one example of the shirt, but ordered more than one, and have something for testing the fabric, it’s deterioration (well, maybe the Tennessee facility does that too, to establish timelines, conditions and results).
100%.
At the Body Farm as we speak.
B”
Blink and Kleat
So this would be going on the theory that the shirt was placed after the body? Substantial pieces were found “in the bags/shroud” containing remains.
Is it all possible, that a second shirt/pieces was found at the scene placed by an unknown person, with the intent to “frame” some one, but without the realization that the t-shirt shown on the Globe cover was actually in the bags with the remains? Perhaps “clues” from CA were misenterpreted resulting in a botched “framing”. That theory could be supported or disproved with the test as per Kleat. And Blink, your Body Farm comment . . . as a result of the recent uncovering of the existence of a full, unretouched photo (as in uncovered at your site?)
No wp, I think by the time the 19th rolled around and OCSO was back at the Anthony home, it was apparent there is some disjoint of unkonwn origin wrt to Caylee’s clothing. Cindy pretty much eluded to that in her deposition. She was weeding all the 2T’s out (shorts). I think regadless of what was recovered OCSO is obliged to do that study given the defense claims someone else put her there and she is innocent. Should be an interesting start to February.
( How much do we love that? Baez et al has to deliver the crux of their defense 2 weeks after the check fraud trial.)
B
Toy– I got it the hand gesture– the site says it’s called ‘The Corna” (this is a UK site) (Bink– please decide if this much quote is ok: (basically the Fusion and Casey friends might just be saying ‘rock on’– Casey is NOT a Longhorns fan)
http://www.languagetrainers.co.uk/blog/2007/09/24/top-10-hand-gestures/
9. The “Corna”
Consisting of a clenched fist with the second and fifth fingers straightened out, the corna (‘horns’) hand gesture has most recently been adopted by fans of rock and heavy metal music, first used by Black Sabbath vocalist Ronnie James Dio. The gesture carries only a vague meaning, implying the presence of Satan, malevolence and loud guitar music, and is used in much the same way as headbanging. The gesture was actually popularised as a Satanic salute during the 1960s, appearing in many editions of the Satanic Bible. Nowadays many Americans use the gesture simply to mean “rock on”, or in support of the University of Texas in Austin (known as the “Hook ‘em Horns”).
Occasionally used by baseball players to indicate “two outs”, the corna is actually a positive hand gesture in Buddhism and Hinduism, known as the Karana Mudra in such circles, and is used to dispel evil – an interestingly opposite meaning to its contemporary significance.
Historically, however, the symbol basically means “cuckold” (or rather, “your wife is cheating on you”), and its origins are Mediterranean, possibly dating back to Ancient Greece. The corna is still popular in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Colombia, Brazil, Albania, Slovakia and the Czech Republic, and seems to be used most often to disagree with football referees – perhaps their wives are taking advantage of their husband’s occupation to score with hunky football players – though only when the referee make an incorrect decision, of course…
Of course, if you’re thinking of learning that in a Spanish course London is probably the best place to start…
Blink and Kleat
Or the 2 words were found off site by maybe an “A” member and eventually were tossed at the site of the remains that were placed there in June by CA.
I have had the mindset that “someone” was there at leeast in the capacity of locating Caylee’s body, so adding to the items of the scene is entirely possible.
#1025 B
I had been on the fence thinking other explanations were remotely possible about how this baby lost her life, even after reading most of the documents, but now I see that her own mother committed this heinous crime — indeed, the letters must have been cut out, and Blink is right they could not have “weathered” this way (some as letters and others as whole words) — and cut verrry carefully too – even the small inner parts of most letters removed.
I believe that she not only premeditated the murder but also carefully “packaged” the body to make a clever (sick) statement. Her precious daughter (Big Trouble comes small) murdered and placed “in packages”. Hence a possible explanatiton as to why the letters were found in different locations seemingly spelling a different sentence than on the shirt and with an entirely different meaning.
Yes, “absolutely” and “most definately” Casey killed little Caylee, and played a little word game with her pink shirt and then went out to celebrate for the next month.
How heartbreaking.
I was curious about what material the laundry bag was made of, so I googled it. It’s cotton canvas, which I assume is all cotton but I know there is a finish on it. This may have been mentioned before but you can buy the set (cylinder, rectangular and hanging clothes bag). I wonder if LE found the hanging bag.
# 1045 Westhudson
Yikes! That seems a tad incriminating!
Blink commented–> “… Baez et al has to deliver the crux of their defense 2 weeks after the check fraud trial.”
Blink, he just might feel like he got hit in the crux.
..and for it all to go a-wray..
Ps. I added it together as it was your usual razor wit!
B
I just had to check on my theory.
I think the Dot on the I has done it for me. It is attached still. If the letters fell off, then the dot of the i would have also fallen off. Very good indication this was CUT and the dot was left on the i as in one piece. Maybe the C from comes was cut as it would be the first letter of Caseys name.
yes, but it is also attatched in “Big”. I thought that as well. Another thing. In ME notes “comes” is one word, not detatched. In the photos the c is detatched.
B
Sorry that was a wrong link. I went to the same one as above poster
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252744/detail.html to check on the word (in) just to make sure it was indeed attached.
Blink
Yes, I understand these tests would be performed regardless. Your comment “as we speak” led me to think something just came to light to LE/the State, so additional tests are now being done as a result.
I misinterpreted your meaning.
In terms of my crazy (I admit it) 2nd shirt option, I meant another one was later purchased coupling the Globe cover release and the possible scenario of the body being located via the “A’s, with the possible intent to “frame” someone at that time.
I will still stand by my original post #1046 theory and #1055 comment – - for now . . .:)
got it, sorry, my bad.
B
smiley fix
I will still stand by my original post #1046 theory and #1055 comment – - for now …
Kleat, I’m glad you found that explanation because what I had found months ago was a “gansta” explanation and I was speechless as to how I could explain what I read to you. My Southern belle upbringing was in grave danger and although my red hair is now gray, I still blush.
I think your definition is more in line with what the gesture probably means and I am so glad to read it. At least I want to believe it’s so just like I want to believe in some photos they were gesturing our 60′s peace sign.
(snipped)
“. . . Baez et al has to deliver the crux of their defense 2 weeks after the check fraud trial.)
B”
Blink,
Yes, it will be interesting to see which story finally makes the cut.
Agreed with your GA’s script-line:
‘He will, starting with “It’s my fault, I left the gate open..”
B’
#1065, lawkat: You speak of Casey and refer to Caylee as “her precious daughter.” We all do the same.
But the sickening, monstrous truth is that Caylee was not “precious” to her mother. If she were, we wouldn’t be here talking about this.
With each passing day, I think Casey is far more evil than anyone realizes.
wpgmouse# 1025 Feeling a little weak at the knees typing this. Page 9726 shows a grouping of the items, but there is a large blacked out portion. Perhaps it is the front of the shirt with the cut-outs of the 2 words. I don’t know. CA had a lot of crafting tools in her room. Just a theory.
wpgmouse, all of the media blacked out this part except one, I can’t recall which.
WARNING GRAPHIC They did this because some of Caylee’s hair is shown entwined/around this part of the shirt. You can also see the collar/tag of the shirt more clearly. It is next to the word trouble, it is stained. I found the untouched photo at Docstop. I am posting a link scroll to Page 5. I am also posting a link to same pic via media outlet MyFoxOrlando for comparison.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12906766/Casey-Anthony-photos-remains-evidence–09Oct09
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/100909caseyanthonyphotosofducttapeclothingshovel/1/lg/9722-9731_Page_05.htm
Is it just me or does the letter “B” in the word TROUBLE look like it has been cut out in the shape of a heart?
I am just so excited to see who sold this picture to the Globe..if it was Biaz and Casey..perhaps she was setting hhim up for a fall…and for herself,the nail in the coffin..She looks like the Chesshire Cat!
A question for anyone who knows the ins and outs of the Sunshine laws:
Can the defense choose NOT to release any documents/evidence that does directly implicate their client?
Just curious..
Thank you!
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/
Here is the original photo un cropped!!!!
Uhoh, somebody has some reading to do
B
No that is wrong…this is a repeat a year later…sorry!
Sal, who posted here that he buys shirts like the Big Trouble shirt from Target, told us that eventually the lettering comes off in normal wash. I don’t find it at all unusual to think that the letters would have come off during the flooding and other weather they were subjected to out there in the elements lo those many months. Occam’s razor again, but the easier explanation is often the correct one. Also, the letters weren’t described as having fabric on the back, just a pink discoloration. And actually don’t we see the shirt is not all cut up, or am remembering incorrectly?
Even though I’ve read and read and read- I tend to get a bit mixed up- there’s a really GOOD time line http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1 on this kind of weird site.
The one funny thing I’d kind of wondered is how George knew Casey’s car was at Amscot and why he brought gas with him.
Anyway- it’s a nice time line.
Also didn’t they refer to the letters from the shirt early on as “letter strips”? To me that makes perfect sense, as you don’t make any money selling a shirt for $5.99 if someone (even if in China) affixing each letter individually. They probably printed those things in strips and applied them in strips and they fell off in strips.
(I’ve been away for 36 hrs finishing up the depos, cuz I thought Blink wasn’t going to be updating, so am reading and arguing reverse chronologically, so I apologize if I am repeating stuff that has already been argued above).
Comment by MsEnscene — October 24, 2009 @ 8:30 am
Their stubborn self-assurance in the face of all their exposed B-movie hokum is one of the main reasons why they are so intensely disliked.
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Great analysis for the intense ‘dislike’ of the Anthony’s. But sometimes I wonder if there isn’t a method to their madness.
So far their shenanigans has ‘actually worked’ to an extent because not one member of the Anthony’s beside Casey is sitting in jail. And they have been on nationwide TV successfully tainting the jury pool, all it takes is one juror to believe them. How many times have they already lied under oath?
When will their ‘mistruths’ be taken as a serious offense? Is LE waiting until they trip up on conflicting statements at ‘the big trial’ or are they getting a free pass for their deplorable & yes criminal behavior because of the ‘unique situation’ of losing a granddaughter & daughter?
#1060
I went back and listened to RM’s testimony. I know that with my gmail account, sometimes things that are sent from my iPhone show up on the other mail servce that I have even though it’s sent through gmail. So he may be entirely truthful. I think he was reluctant to talk about the break up because that’s a guy thing. After witnessing what all the players in this mystery have endured, I’m sure Ricardo was cautious. I really think he was a good guy who genuinely cared for Caylee.
I agree, also pointing out that interview was prior to Caylee’s remains being found and should be taken in context.
B
I can also understand some of the letters separating from one another, as the material between the letters isn’t as thick as what the letters themselves are made of (they’re kind of raised and glittery compared to the background), so the letters are sturdier than the flimsy background —and if the any part of the material was going to fail due to being in the elements, it would be the thinner part between the letters, and probably especially at at either end of the word strip. The larger letters have alot more of the heavier material because they are just plain old bigger but also because they have those fake shadows and wiggly lines in the background, much more than the smaller word strips do.
I think there was also a long piece of duct tape found with the words from shirt “in” and “Packages” at the remain site. Trying to find the link–
#978 lily
It was moi that believes George is positioning himself under the bus. If it looks like he might be charged with perjury, or he really realizes Casey isn’t coming home or at the direction of Cindy to ‘save her daughter’ he will IMO throw himself on the courtroom floor and declare that he killed Caylee by accident. Besides Casey being guilty this whole family could be charged and found guilty (IMO again) for obstruction, lying, etc. and I think he may be the one to try and make a deal with SAO. Should be exciting, funny, but doubt it will work. We all know Casey will let him do it too.
Momof3:
(snipped) “wpgmouse, all of the media blacked out this part except one…”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12906766/Casey-Anthony-photos-remains-evidence–09Oct09
Momof3, you are good. Thank you for finding this and linking. Wow.
(The photo is of item Q81 on page 10233 of the link, for anyone wondering)
Did she dress Caylee in a ripped up shirt, or ripped it while it was on her? The larger piece looks ripped away from the seams, by hand, which is why there are loose strings of the overstitch seaming. I don’t think wildlife would have produced that type of destruction.
Is there residue of the “G” in the upper left side of the main piece of fabric, as if this was the right half of the front of the shirt?
Thanks, silverspnr, for taking the time to explain why a coin toss is not used in trial law (lol, something about that sentence sounds absurd). Makes perfect sense to me now.
Seemed odd to me that Cindy didn’t seem deceptive about the duct tape or the laundry bags in her deposition. By time this deposition rolled around, she knew those things figured pretty prominently at the crime scene. I wonder why she she seemed so forthcoming? I was surprised by that.
O Suz, we are miles apart on that unless you are in full snark mode, lol.
Did you not read the garage sale crap. Did anyone else see the rectangular laundry thingie in Caylee’s room ever as she stated?
Here’s another thought while I am on a roll, lol, who else thinks the pic of Casey/Caylee wearing the “shorts” while playing on Casey’s knees was “new”to that dresser? Convenient.
B
re: grouping of t-shirt pieces photo
Momof3:
(snipped)
“WARNING GRAPHIC They did this because some of Caylee’s hair is shown entwined/around this part of the shirt.”
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12906766/Casey-Anthony-photos-remains-evidence–09Oct09
Momof3 and Blink
Wouldn’t this indicate Caylee was likely wearing the shirt?
Possible but necessarily, at one time, this sweet babies skull was in that bag, but possible.
I cannot come up with a plausible scenario of that shirt having a completely intact collar and well, the rest.
The disburement of her remains and known locations belie that to me-
Sorry, in advance, I just get bring myself to be “plain” about it.
B
I read here every day–you all are amazing. The shirt/letters have perhaps kept me up more at night than anything else so far. A couple of thoughts:
If the letters peeled off by themselves due to the elements, then fabric would not be attached to the back of them. I would think in that case that the letters would roll up on the sides and maybe break/crack, because what is left is thin plastic. The dot on the i could stay connected because of the background plastic stuff.
If Casey cut them out, fabric would still be attached to the backs. In that case, we could probably see some threads sticking out from the letters (I can’t tell if that is the case from the photos…anyone?). They wouldn’t be as likely to roll or crack because of the support of the fabric.
Investigators know if they were cut out. If they think they were cut out, they would have taken/checked all the scissors in the Anthony home (and Grunds, Tony, etc.) for a match of ‘fabric fluff’ that stays behind when you cut fabric with Caylee’s shirt. Wow, can you imagine if they have that connection???
Last I looked, Ebay had the ‘big trouble’ shirt on auction for about $4. I just can’t imagine that the letters would fall off so neatly while the ‘animals’ ripped that shirt to shreds.
By the way, notice that the blanket seems to have no holes??
#1090
OMG are you saying Casey roughed her up to the extent of ripping her shirt? I wanted to believe there was no struggle which is why I liked the chloroform theory.
Blink, I am going to suggest that the letter C might have fallen off in transit from the M.E. to the FBI, cuz the ME in her report on 6445 explicitly says that the letters in COMES are connected (as is SMALL, while those in TROUBLE are not connected. She doesn’t explicitly say BIG is or isn’t, but I am assuming by her omission that they ARE connected).
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7501718/Casey-Anthony-Caylee-Anthony-examination-autopsy
Recall that the FBI notes talk about how some of the stuff arrived from the ME’s office in torn paper bags, etc.
Momof3, thanks for that link. I knew I had seen an unredacted pic, and agree that it must be hair among the debris that they were blacking out.
Hahaha Melissa – I got a whole mental image of Geo throwing himself before the court – hello MELODRAMA! I remembered what you said but I couldn’t remember who said it (sorry – there are like 1,100 comments here already!). But it stuck with me after reading some of silverspnrs comments and others.
Soulsister, hopefully my notes will help you track down the long piece of duct tape:
pg 3699— item 4= 1 long piece duct tape AND item 5= 2 pieces of duct tape (all in lane 7, no Q numbers) http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740700/detail.html
o D1: Piece of duct tape “Henkel Consumer Adhesives” item# H-60493, tag #16
D2: 2 pieces of duct tape item# J-60013, tag #5
D3: Long piece of duct tape, item# J-60013, tag #4
9899 in new disc – no knowns taken, no hair or fibers (one is 3×2, one is 1.5 x 2, one is 13.5 x 2) no adhesive left either q316-318 in FBI; Q230 and 229 in ocso) pics 9908-9911—collected dec 1908 9923
So…what I am saying is…IMO if LE has said that this shirt ended up there intentionally, then those letters must be cut out, and scissors somewhere would have linking evidence on them, because really, would she think to dispose of the scissors?
Which brings more thoughts to mind–planted scissors at Jesse’s when she showered? Scissors in the attic at the Anthony’s in that box? HMMMMMM. The ultimate link that swayed the DP decision? Maybe big trouble DOES come in small packages…like fabric fluff on scissors.
Very interesting, I am just not there yet. I am not seeing “conclusive”, I am thinking not enough of the tshirt is available to say conclusively.
B
wpgmouse, I’m not sure what you are seeing. I think the elements simply tore that shirt (made in El Salvador, with no offense to fine El Salvadoran textiles intended of course) up. Remember, the plastic garbage bags practically disintegrated. The remains scene was a mess, with at least one hurricane blowing through.