Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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P. 8 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19801498/detail.html
They are talking about the shorts and they state: The shorts have multiple, irregular defects consistent with decomposition.
P. 6 they discuss the letters Big Trouble Comes and Small
On P. 11(3402) http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740668/detail.html
They talk about the 3 pieces of duct tape found- i think one was found with the words packages and in
P.12 (3423)
#15 One pink wording strip “packages” One pink wording strip “In”
#16 One piece of duct tape-Henkel
Hope it’s OK to post this. Here is a link I picked up from a post at WS. Shows the guitar Casey was holding in the picture on the couch with Caylee in the “big trouble” shirt. Looks like it may be a “Guitar Hero” guitar, with this model released on April 9, 2008. If correct, this places this picture being taken just a couple months, at most, before Caylee disappeared.
http://videogames.barnesandnoble.com/Video-game/PS3-Rock-Band-Wireless-Fender-Guitar-Controller/e/14633159127/
Blink, I read we have another CB posting so will change my posting to be CB1 to avoid confusion on who is posting. I’m “onionskin” from way back, remember?
Yes ma’am. How could I forget the suggestor of my prevailing “o” theory.
B
Since the T-R-O-U-B-L-E letters were not connected, per the M.E., I am sure there are creative minds here who will suspect that the killer did that deliberately, and will want to know what the letters were used to spell out (before the weather scattered them, losing the message). Although it’s not a theory I subscribe to, here ya go and have fun…!
rule
tore
outer
blurt
rout
true
brute
bout
tour
lobe
blue
bluer
robe
route
blur
tube
butler
lure
rebut
bolt
lute
lore
rote
blot
role
trouble
belt
bore
P. 3 (3466) Big Trouble Small Comes discussed
P. 11 (3422)
c. “Packages” and “In”
Pink word strip of Packages and IN (Item #15, H-60493) were observed on scene in the area from which the skull had been recovered.
Wonder when we will have the new docs from defense? Anyone, any idea?
Awww thanks wpgmouse and you are most welcome.
The strips of the shirt that were blacked out looked strange to me also. I don’t know ,but they do seem to be ripped purposely.(please excuse the graphic nature) If an animal had ripped the shirt wouldn’t they look more jagged and wouldn’t there be less strips and more pieces/shreds?
MOO Having grown-up in the 80′s they remind me of shirt remnants from my/friends desperation to look like FlashDance. It was real big for awhile in the 80′s to cut and rip sleeves and collars from shirts, also big to make them into half shirts,by making a hole then ripping by hand.
Oh the embarrassment.
#1045 WSH, just finished read the link from Marinade Dave. So what he is saying is that the myspace page was set up June 16, 2008 and last comment was in Nov. prior to Casey being arrested. With all the investigating that was done by himself and JWG that would mean that someone in the A family (Casey perhaps) would have set that up to go with the babysitter kidnapping her. Another nail in the coffin.
rein- Chloroform- best way to pick up girls
Shovel- to bs. Example- When he said he won the lottery, I knew he was shoveling
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About the urban dictionary, what shoots this theory down is that Casey did have a trunk full of chloroform & also borrowed a shovel from a neighbor. Neck breaking, I’ve never in my life heard of that term for a woman so fine she could turn heads, has anyone else?
And since the searches for all the words were done in the same time frame it makes more sense Casey had murder on her mind.
Wouldn’t Casey have readily admitted to wanting knowledge of ‘urban slang’ as the reason for the word searches on the pc?
If it is determined that the Zenaida myspace page was created from the Ant’s IP addy, without knowing time of death, there’s no way of knowing if it was part of premeditation, or part of a coverup after the fact. Actually, there’s no way of proving that the mysterious Zanny didn’t ask Casey to create it for her (you know, except that there’s no Zanny—small detail).
Okay, Blink…I am out to win you over on this idea! Even if there is not much of the shirt left, all of the letters are there. That shirt is ripped to shreds. If the shirt had not had the letters cut out of it, then they would have been much more damaged than they are shown to be based on the rest of the shirt, whether or not the shirt was on Caylee.
I can’t remember when that area would have been flooded. But for argument’s sake, let’s say it flooded quickly after Caylee was left there. If the letters came off because they were submerged (I don’t think that would happen…..I have 3 little girls and clothing has been left in water for many days here and never have I had letters pop neatly off a shirt), fabric would not be attached to the back of them. So it seems it would be hard for LE to publicly conclude that the shirt had been left there intentionally.
On the other hand, letters that had been cut out of the shirt would have fabric on the back–therefore making it very obvious that the letters had been removed intentionally. I don’t see how much of the rest of the shirt would be needed to draw this conclusion, but I may be missing something here…appreciate thoughts!!!
Blink:
(snipped) “I cannot come up with a plausible scenario of that shirt having a completely intact collar and well, the rest.”
Blink
I don’t really see an intact collar. The garment tag is still attached to the “seamline” loop which is what connected the collar ribbing material to the rest of the shirt. A serger was used to envelope the 2 seams so that are no 2 flat open seam edges remaining on the inside of the garment (remember in Home-Ec having to press those 5/8 inch wide seams open so they lay flat). Take a look inside any t-shirt or sweat-shirt, you’ll see the seams have a rolled-thin cord look to them with zig-zag and straight stitching.
I can see part of the bottom hem on the piece, and the line of straight stitching about 1/2 inch up from the bottom edge.
The large piece has a long strip encircling above, but I don’t think that is the collar. I think it is the from the top bodice of the shirt that was connected to the collar by the now separated serge line with the tag attached (which is sitting with other serged seams over on the left). That strip is long because it actually goes around the rest of the shirt fabric, which is missing. The end of that strip is probably where it was attached to the left shoulder seam.
I am very sure we are seeing the left half of the shirt front (when worn). I distinctly see some sort of residue from the G in “BIG” on the shirt very, very close to the left edge from our view. It appears the fabric was ripped or cut between the I and the G.
There is a thin white-ish line running across the entire photo (actually there are 2, but look at the top one). If you look at the line where it intersects the left edge of the fabric, there is where you will see the G, with the top curve of the G just above that white line.
If it was created on the Anthony’s computer on June 16, Caylee would have been kidnapped and Casey then returned to the house to set up a web page for the kidnapper??????? Between cell phone pings and the clock on the computer, I think that is easily determined. Premeditation, cover up-it ain’t ugly coping, is it?
Blink, where are you seeing an intact collar? The label/tag is on that big piece of stitching—stitching that is super duper reinforced compared to the rest of the tee—but which just looks like a long piece of string, hardly what I would consider intact. What are you seeing that I am not seeing? Here’s how the M.E. described it:
Stitching and Garment Tag:
The stitching found appears to be from the seams and hem of a shirt. The stitching is pink in color. In the region that would consist of stitching near the collar seam is a garment tag which states, “3 Toddler, 100% cotton, Made in El Salvador.”
Danita-
I agree that the urban dictionary was not the real reason these words were looked up. It is just that the defense has a little to work with…
There is nothing on urban dictionary for household weapons, there is nothing on how to make chloroform. It is mind boggling to think that someone would be so stupid to really look these things up, though. Who needs to look up shovel to know what one is or how to use it. The whole thing is screwy.
I live in Miami and have seen old tee shirts that have been weathered beyond what you could imagine. As far as some items with the remains being ripped to shreds, and others not looking any worse for the wear, doesn’t strike me as odd. After Hurricane Andrew, we had our pool fence sheared off at ground level, leaving an inch or so of the metal poles stuck in the ground, The entire fence was long gone but there in the tree was a flimsy inflatable tiger (a pool float) that didn’t even look damaged. There is a hammock park nearby and people have left clothes there that have decayed and don’t resemble the shirt or jeans. Florida humidity decays everything. We cannot keep clothing in our garage unless it is in a sealed container. It becomes moldy in a very short time. I had moved here from California and cannot believe the difference.
I think Casey flung the bagged “package” and just moved on with her life. I think she had fantasized about being without Caylee but was prompted by whatever transpired with Cindy on the 15th. That comment in the jail saying “I didn’t say anything” really lets everyone know that the family did talk. What was it that Casey didn’t say? There is definitely something she has over all of them. WTH is it?
George cannot throw himself under the bus after everything he said in his first talks with LE. He seemed so truthful then. It would be great if he thought of little Caylee.
I think George has chosen Cindy, and that is what his whole hotel adventure was about. He was very conflicted between telling the truth or being with Cindy. He made a decision to be with Cindy and that meant leaving poor little Caylee behind.
Will all those videotapes with LE be able to be used in trial. Or did the whole family get a “do over” in the depositions? Haven’t they already perjured themselves? I don’t understand why they are not being called on their LIES. I think they changed their stories because they didn’t want to help getting Casey convicted. Their backtracking, covering up, has just made Casey look more guilty.
Maybe BC’s intent was to help but he has allowed his clients to perjure themselves. The result is that their daughter looks more guilty than if they had just kept quiet as Nejame tried to get them to undersand.
jennyt, I don’t think it says anywhere that fabric is attached to the back of the letters. It describes the letters as being MADE of cloth, but not that they had fabric stuck to the back—just glittery stuff on the anterior (front), and pink discoloration on the back.
They were able to determine Zanny’s myspace page was created on June 16th with the Dora explorer character. They also determined it was last accessed OCT of 08. The day Casey finally went back to jail. HMMMMM! I am sure that the police have the IP address and know all about it.
I agree, I have the IP addy’s of the A’s et al, and I can say as a certainty, so do they. They were never particularly web savvy, and it is impossible to erase your “e” print once you create it.
B
Comment by ada — October 25, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
“#1090
OMG are you saying Casey roughed her up to the extent of ripping her shirt? I wanted to believe there was no struggle which is why I liked the chloroform theory.”
ada, no I’m not saying that. I don’t know what event took place that destroyed the shirt in the manner we are seeing. It does not appear to have been done by wildlife. I was only posing hypotheticals, but I did not mean to imply Caylee was alive IF the shirt was ripped while it was on her. Oh, gosh, no.
Also, regarding the computer searches. Casey has not readily admitted anything. The best she has done is swear that:
1. “I did not report my daughter missing until my mother called on July 15, 2008.
2. “I did tell law enforcement that I had dropped off my child with a person named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez when questioned by law enforcement.
The defense argument for their motion to dismiss is:
“There are no material facts in dispute in this case. Even viewed in the light most favorable to the prosecution, the undisputed facts of this case show that the prosecution cannot prove its prima facie case for first degree murder. Specifically, the State cannot establish whether Caylee Anthony’s death was accidental, natural or the result of an intentional or negligent homicide. Most importantly, there is no evidence to substantiate that Miss Anthony unlawfully and with premeditated design killed Caylee Anthony.”
So, please, someone tell me what this means?? I realize that LDB says the defense motion is flawed and is a farce. (I love her, she is so calm and measured).
But is the defense really just saying “nah-nah-ne-nah-nah, you can’t proooove it”. This reminds me of my brother when we were little.
As far as what we have seen so far, it seems to me that they can prooove it.
Lets not forget about the Winnie the Pooh helium balloon found at the remains site also..I think if Casey did not leave it at that time, then someone who knew she was buried placed the balloon at her grave site. Perhaps Casey, perhaps Cindy!
Earlier today someone, I think it was Lily, posted her belief that the bruises on Caylee’s cheeks may have come from duct tape previously placed there by KC, and I am tending to think more and more that this may be so.
I also thought about the disappearing duct tape that Amy refers to: her tape that KC “lost” (did not return) when KC had Amy’s purse – around the time of the no-clothes party.
I think the shirt looked pretty new in the photos, and I’m thinking maybe the Anthonys really hadn’t seen it before, until the photo. It does look like a shirt a friend or boyfriend may have given her, unless she bought it herself. Someone commented earlier that in the photo of Caylee sitting next to Casey with the guitar, it looked like she was wearing it as pajamas with her soft pants. Maybe Casey had this shirt in Caylee’s backpack, used them for pajamas when away from home (gift from Ricardo?), and cut the letters out sometime between and 16th and when she put Caylee in the woods, then threw all of it in bags–’big trouble comes small’ in the bag with Caylee. Wish I could get this out of my head…
Blink, re: the duct tape and laundry bags, yes I totally see the setting up of “the neighbors who work with Kronk bought these things from our garage sale, and how they would up with the remains…hmmm” I guess I was taken aback by it being a more subtle line of lying than their usual flat denial. And it doesn’t seem like George got the same kind of coaching—he is still flatly denying things in his depo, for instance the tape on the can, even when they catch him in it a hundred different ways, poor thing. Cindy’s was soooo much smoother: “Oh, yeah, I had one of those, I wonder where it went to after caylee was reported missing but before she was found.”
I guess Cindy (who describes the poor schlub as being weak) doesn’t trust him to be able to pull it off?
Blink, Kleat, Anyone/Everyone/Someone?…As usual this time of night, I’m sitting here in the quiet house, going over documents, headphones on, listening to visitation videos, interviews. etc. So I can hear things very clearly, not miss anything that might be of importance.
Two things…. It never made sense to me that there was ever any question as to who had access to the car, or who had a key, or fingerprints being on there, etc. etc. We all know that from day one, Casey’s story was that she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass, later of course, she changed it to Blanchard Park. My point being, there was never a question in anyone’s mind as to who the last person was with Casey’s car. She herself said she drove the car and it ran out of gas. She never made any statement that remotely led anyone to believe that Zanny or anyone for that matter had driven the car away that day.
That’s not really my main reason for this comment though…. I’ve listened to the July 25th part 1 (morning visitation video) several times…tonight being one of the many times I’ve listened to it over and over. Each time, I’ve heard the same thing, always meaning to comment on something Cindy says, but just get caught up in something else and never get around to it.
Sooooooo, Blink, Kleat, anyone…. What do you make of the statement Cindy makes about the car. I believe it’s right about 13:27′ish mark. Might me off by a few seconds… Best to start at around 12:50 or 13:00. When Cindy says to Casey, “I want to ask you something,”…. Casey replies, “go ahead.” Cindy says, “how come SHE never got a chance to get the car, it doesn’t make any sense.”
Of course Casey goes on blah blah blah as usual, or says that they need to speak only in written form, or whatever crap she makes up. However…… I’ve wondered so often why Cindy said SHE, meaning Zanny I’m assuming. The odd thing is, she doesn’t hesitate, she doesn’t correct herself, no light bulb moment of OMG I goofed. She just said it so non-chalantly, because it’s EXACTLY what she MEANT to say.
So, one more time…. Her exact words were (quote”" Why didn’t SHE get a chance to pick up the car, doesn’t make any sense.”"end quote)…
I’ll post the link, hopefully it will work, if not, as I said, it’s the morning visitation video, part 1, July 25th. Would love to hear Blink’s or anyone/everyones take on that slip up. Or maybe not a slip up at all???? I just don’t know. Love some feedback on that though… Anyone??? TIA..
http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html
Danita- 7;350pm
“Neckbreaking”? yes mam I have or “neckbreaker” more precisley. My kids are 17 and 18. It’s their lingo. no different from you and I calling people on the road a “rubbernecker” when they pass the scene of an accident. I don’t know maybe it’s a Georgia term “rubbernecking’. But I will tell you in my kids age group nothing is what it seems.
If kids weren’t using these words and using them frequently, what would be the purpose of having an urban dictionary.
Some of the words are really funny by the way, most of them are very CRUDE. If KC did use any of these words with LE it was indeed done to confuse them. My kids know better than to use these type words when speaking to older adults and the authorities! It’s all a game to KC! -sick… =(
The Caylee myspace was, according to Lee, created from CA’s myspace. If I recall she had other accounts that Lee might have incorporated the content of, but he did say he closed or shut down those other accounts. Lee said he took control or ownership of the Caylee site, even changing the timer55 password himself, although he couldn’t remember it at the time of his deposition.
The new password was apparently only given out to a select few – - one of them being his sister (just as those throw-away phones that were used as their “only” way of communicating when they were apart due to “bugging devices”, or for emergencies, etc., blah, blah).
Regardless of forgetting the password for the State’s direct, Lee admitted to accessing the page just a couple of weeks before his deposition. CA has had access to that computer page with the new password all along, that is, if she’s allowed to do so while in jail.
If I misunderstood something here from Lee’s deposition, anyone, please correct me.
1026 Kleat thanks for your response It does look like fun. I did not realize this was such a different process of iron on. Thanks
1096 suz You are welcome for the link I think it was good that most of the media blacked this out. Caylee deserves better than just being discarded. I thought about not linking to this picture but I think with out the evidence theories would not be based in fact.
1094jennyt posted I would think in that case that the letters would roll up on the sides and maybe break/crack- I agree with you on this point. I don’t know why they didn’t- at least by what we can observe in the evidence photos
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1093 wpgmouse It is hard to see specifics in the evidence photos. Maybe they blacked it out for other reasons maybe it isn’t hair.
1093 Blink and wpgmouse I am not sure if Caylee was wearing it or not either. There are other ways to have hair/debri found with this shirt besides wearing it. If the remnants were stuffed in the bag after she was placed there the strips could have become entangled. Notice the hair is not entwined in the collar section. Wouldn’t that be more plausible? I don’t know. It is strange.
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I think this could be Lees’ house, look at the shoes, and remember
him taking down the memorial in their front yard. They are the
same shoes, with the (knee highs) I think wkmg (6). has news
clip of this. I will go back and see if I can find.
Blink, I searched Lee removes memorial. I found wftv had
a video. I watch him walk and remove flowers and the like
he has on white sneaker and they look to have blue inside.
the shoe on the bed is a white sneaker and blue or dark in color
in the indside. ???
okay so I am really,really not so good at this. not the same shoe
AT ALL!
silverspnr – This comment from you really hit home HARD for me! With 4 boys – 1 still at home -the others in college or the peace corps – I still ‘mother’ them every chance I get. NO WAY would I give up the chance to do these things. I’m not saying at all that its not ok for a child to learn how to do these things themselves on occasion – but what you said – this is being a MOTHER. Its not ok to think that this what a 2-year-old should be experiencing most mornings. Nothing wrong with teaching independence but seriously!
Silver said: “Maybe this is why I am the only one who is FURIOUS that Casey was permitted to SLEEP IN while CA and/or GA gave Caylee breakfast.. or that Caylee got her OWN BREAKFAST. WTH. That blew me away. Does Cindy think the world is impressed by that??? A child that age should not be getting her own breakfast together. Part of the bonding process is being FED/having your meal prepared by a loving, nurturing parent. This is part of how a small child develops EMPATHY and learns to care for/feel responsible toward OTHERS. (because they know how it feels to have that constant care/concern exhibited toward themselves).”
#1116 Suz, all, just a quick question (well, maybe a few), regarding the lettering on the little pink shirt, do we know that this shirt was purchased with this lettering on it? Could it have been an applique? Cindy did sew. Could she have sewn the lettering on the shirt? Did she make some of the costumelike clothing that Caylee is so oftentimes seen wearing in her photographs? Did she have an area within the house in which she would craft? And if so, was this area checked out for materials that might match the lettering on Caylee’s shirt? Could they have been iron on letters? I’m curious now having read Cindy’s depo in which she mentions sewing/mending, as well as all of the craft items found in the house. Perhaps Cindy, herself, picked up a little pink “t” at a fabric shop, along with the letters and made the shirt for Caylee, or perhaps Casey did. She seems to have been somewhat crafty (no pun intended) herself. Had there been a struggle, and Caylee’s shirt was torn, or if the shirt was torn separate and apart from Caylee, the letters would have separated from the shirt they were on, if infact they were iron-on. Being wet for so long would also have separated them, over time. It’s just a thought.
This is also just something to consider, there isn’t a day that doesn’t go by when I don’t hear the term “Mama” or “Mommy” used by all sorts of women, teens, girls and even a toddler or two, and on occassion, men and boys too. My little boy’s therapists have been using the term to refer to one another as well as their female patients, who can be as young as near newborn to 14, for a couple of years now. For that matter, a cashier at nearby supermarket refers to every female who comes into her isle as “Mama”. “Mama, did you happen to see how much this was? It’s not ringing up for me.” Even my two daughter-in-laws refer to the youngest member of our family (7 month old Sophie) as Mama or Mommy. “O, Mommy/Mama, why are you fussing now?” It seems to be most commonplace/popular among young people, so could it be that Casey referred to Caylee as “Mama”, and Caylee in turn referred to her baby as “Mama”? I do find it interesting that Caylee didn’t refer to Cindy and George as Gamma and Gampa, or any such thing. She addressed them by their names, Jo-Jo and CiCi. Why do you suppose that was?
As for duct tape being responsible for the marks on Caylee’s face, it could make sence, I suppose, though I would expect a bit of rashiness or more of an irregular shaped abrasion to be the result of tape. It’s doubtful that such heavy duty tape would have torn off her face in near perfect circular wounds, but of course, I could be wrong. I’ve seen a lot of children burned and that’s just where my mindset is. It doesn’t help to know that Tony smoked, and Casey smoked pot, and may not have liked the attention that Tony paid to Caylee, and so Caylee may have been punished by being burned, and just where Casey would have wanted to burn her — on her face, (I say this because I’ve seen it happen) to mar the cuteness that helped to gain the attention. Just my opinion.
Regarding the gas can that George took to Amscot, was this a different gas can than the ones he kept in the shed? Why didn’t he take one of those, if in fact these are separate gas cans?
And finally, regarding National Enquirer’s depiction, I find this photograph more disturbing than the Globe’s, and not because of the background, but because of Caylee’s hands. Her fingertips in particular. Her left hand (looking at the photo) also appears horribly discolored. I would hope this is due to shadowing or bad reproduction.
On that note, it’s late and I’m beat, and still have some 120 pages of Cindy’s depo to read. I get so frustrated with it and her that I just have to stop. Though I’d so love to shove a certain photograph down JB’s throat.
Blessings to all, and to all a good night.
Love,love,love this site and read it everyday. I have great respect for all of you. Anyway, this just popped into my head as to the doll named Mama. I think Cindy really really wanted Caylee to call her Mama, and to keep peace with Casey, she may have given the Mama name to the doll, in other words encouraging Caylee to call her baby doll Mama. So she could say, “see casey she does’nt just call me and you Mama she even calls her doll Mama”. Hope this makes sense.
T-shirt Remnants
I’ve been looking and looking at that remaining piece of fabric, envisioning it on the body (okay, I used my body), and wondering where the other pieces would have gone.
Maybe the remnants of the t-shirt have something to do with the way Caylee was laying. The inside of the plastic bags and the laundry bag with the vinyl liner must have reached a very high temperature.
Although the t-shirt was 100% cotton, the stitching for the serged seams is probably nylon, the letters and tag synthetic as well, so those pieces would survive the elements, and not be subject to degrading like the cotton. As I commented before, the lettering probably simply released from the fabric due to the extreme heat, steam-like conditions within the bags. Yes, it is odd that the words “in” and “packages” were found separate from the others. I have no explanation to that.
Perhaps the piece of fabric remaining, which I believe is the left front half, survived because Caylee was laying on her left side. The part of the bag(s) laying directly on the ground would remain cooler, especially if the ground was damp or wet.
I don’t know. The “hand-ripping” sounded plausible at first, but the more I thought about it, an act like that would probably be accompanied by audible anger. If the intent was to leave a message by the use of that particular shirt, why rip up the message?
Angela_nw, that would go to ‘accidental death’, didn’t intend, tape slipped too high and all that, or the child got ‘sick’.
How can single spots like that be duct tape? I don’t understand.
Blink, is your email full, sweetness?
I’ve sent 2 and both have bounced back to me. Could be a server issue on either end. Also, requested “friendship”, kwim. I hope your weekend was good with family.
No, definately not, I think I may have rec’d one, but you might check specs on what you sent. On other I did not log on, true to my word, lol
B
reinin, notice how Cindy puts Mark NeJame off as a ‘media’ seeker in her state depo? She nor her children are ever wrong, and everyone else is to blame, even Mr. NeJame, so Q is, WHY did Cindy take so long to dump him when she learned he was all about media. (well yeah– Mark NeJame was taking over as spokesperson to keep CINDY out of trouble and to stop the monster she was creating (I believe now deliberately to help Casey). And she made a big point of how ‘they’ dumped Oprah in the same depo, not as an answer to a question, but as her typical added information to fill in the ‘gaps’.
Casey as poet, stripped unnecessary words:
“like dance have
class slipper
step music”
“My ballet tutu.”
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IF the words on the tee were treated the same way, this could just be simplifying the idea again.
“BiG TROUBLE
COMES SMALL”
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doesn’t need the ‘in packages’ really– if that is plainly clear in the situation.
Caylee is getting so ‘big’, almost as ‘big’ as me– Casey refers to her daughter in emails, and IM’s/texts.
Has anyone taken a look at some of the ‘Find Caylee’ props? In Casey’s room and closet, for example, there is a silver and black coffee travel mug with hand written ‘Find Caylee’ on it in black, decorated with little black stars. Like a fashion statement, decorated with tiny stars, like the tattoo, like the night, like a ‘fashion statement’ accessory vs serious notice to help find Caylee.
Another such ‘fashion statement’ is on a lime green bag hanging on the closet door, Caylee button photos, and carefully decorated with little coloured stars in designs on the bag. Not first to get a message out quickly, it was ‘designed’ like a scrapbook page.
1117 RE: the myspace w/ Dora Explora
If you go to the site, you can rite click on it. Click on view source. It provides more details of the page. For example, the kodiac sign for this profile says ‘Pisces’. Did Casey ever give a bday for the alleged nanny?
class=”lightbluetext8 label”>Status:SingleZodiac Sign:Pisces
zenaida has 1 friends. <—- just 1 friend? I think this profile was made in haste. There doesn’t seem to be a particular layout chosen for the profile. Also, as of this moment, it says user is online.
I couldn’t find a ‘creation’ date for the profile unfortunately. As for the 1 friend, it’s none other than ‘Tom’ of myspace. I wish I could provide insight into whether or not it’s possbile to obtain valuable data using this technique, but you never know. There’s a lot of script when you open ‘view source’ on a myspace profile, less if it’s private.
I do believe Casey herself is a pisces.
B
Also, I just wanted to talk about the ‘o’ factor a little bit. I’ve never been around when a person has deceased. However, my mother in law just past away a few weeks ago from a long battle with cancer. When she passed on it was quite peaceful. I’m wondering, how common is the ‘o’ factor immediately after death and does it depend on how the person died?
Sorry, my posts are probably ‘obvious and known’ pieces of information. As one blinker posted, the myspace profile was created in June. Signup Date: 16/06/2008 (to be exact) Now this date is creepy!
#1126 hmmm wonder if she used Baez’s computer to log in during one of their meeting- though I think they video the meetings- just not audio, right? I am thinking LE probably can trace any IP/whatnot that has logged into that myspace page. Pleaseee please I hope Lee doesn’t have immunity. He’s just so weird- something really off with that guy if you ask me.
Kleat – I think I am responding to the page (CayleeDaily) with the three bruises posted — my (now teenage) son was a bruise-magnet when he was little, but not repeatedly in the same spots. I cannot even describe what I am picturing, with duct tape being pulled off the little face…
Also, lately I have been thinking of the killing as almost ritualistic. I find it hard to believe that even someone as cold as KC could kill in a passion and then go to Blockbuster. I don’t see it as accidental at all, but part of a repeated method of silencing Caylee, this time for ever. But maybe I am way off.
There is a picture of a shirt like the one Caylee wore posted on The Cayleedaily site within a story entitled State: Caylee Anthony’s T-Shirt Was Intentional posted October 12, 2009.
In my opinion this is just like the shirt Caylee wore and after studying the evidence photos along side this photo I do believe she was wearing it at the time. I base this on comparing the writing on this shirt and the writing that was left in the woods. I am no longer leaning towards the shirt having been placed afterwards. Nor do I think Casey cut the words out. A quote copied from the State’s Evidence is included in the article it reads in part:
It has been theorized that Caylee was intentionally placed IN this shirt because of what it says. *emphasis mine on the word in* I think the shirt itself with the the writing was suffice to get her “message” across.
Sadly, I don’t think Casey took any prolonged amount of time caring for her daughter, in life or in death. She did what was easiest.
No matter how I try I can not sleep tonight. I am haunted by the evidence photo of the shirt rements and what appears to be innocent little Caylee’s hair entwined amongst the debri.
I look at my own little one sleeping peacefully and my heart aches for Caylee and for her family that she loved. I do not understand Cindy, George or Lee’s actions but sometimes the horror of what happened to Caylee must reach them. For those times and for Caylee’s extended family, her Great Grandpa and Grandma and her Great Uncle Rick and to all those who knew and loved her, I just wanted to extend my condolences.
Thanks Blink for letting me get that out. Phew.. Maybe now I can go to sleep. Good night
#341 …on looking at item #29 on you link I gasped when I flicked between that item and the Globe photo …it looks to me to be the same and if so the heart sticker is in the place where Caylees face should be…. does anyone have the capability to line the photos side by side or to test them over each other to compare???
Blink, I looked up the RN# on the shirt tag. Feel like calling them and asking ?’s…lol.
Also with fresh eyes this am and a poster up thread… IA these letters fell off the shirt and were not cut. I have enlarged the shirt photo and now see the “B i” on the fabric. You can make out the outline.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12906766/Casey-Anthony-photos-remains-evidence%E2%80%9309Oct09
Yep, I got there myself, but reserve the right to fluctuate with a color and better image. I am feeling that if the opinion is she was not wearing the shirt itself, you cant buy the letters were cut out of it , imo, due to well, you know.
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Gavriella, your question is such a great oppty to revisit Occam’s razor, let’s do it..!
Yes, it’s possible that cindy or casey purchased a pink tee made in El Salvador, found lettering absolutely identical to that on the shirt they saw in Target, even picking out letters to make words that got descendingly smaller in scale (BIG being 2 inches, TROUBLE 1.5″, COMES 3/4″, etc.) and went to all the trouble to recreate it.
It’s also possible that they got a spinning wheel and some raw cotton and made the fabric, died it pink, and sewed on a tag from another shirt they had gotten from Target.
In fact, there are probably an infinite amount of things that are possible, so in the face of so many choices, how do you decide what to believe? Aha, that’s where Occam’s Razor comes in (sometimes spelled Ockham), which is a rule of thumb in scientific thinking that says when you have competing theories, the simpler (more elegant) one is likely the right one.
So if we apply that here, we would go with the simpler explanation, which in this case is that someone went to Target and bought one for $5.99, I think Sal said it cost.
So, is it possible they recreated the shirt? Yes. Is it probable? No.
As I’ve noted, the reduced theories aren’t as much fun. In Occam’s world I would think the letters peel off the shirt due to the unbearable Florida heat and months underwater, and the strips are scattered by currents of wind and water, having floated out and gotten caught on other debris perhaps, or been relocated by animals or whatever scattered the many other elements that were in the original bags that were found over such a wide area. The shirt and shorts weathered and decomposed quite naturally in the elements, as one would expect.
Now whether the shirt was an intentional message on that day, I don’t know. Kind of depends on premeditation vs. rage or accident. I am not sold on premeditation, so I am not convinced about the message, but I do acknowledge that there is good potential for it to be meaningful to the perp.