Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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BREAKING NEWS
Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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she was signing up for death row.
Zenaida Myspacae Page details from Valhall:
* It was created on 06/16/08 – the last day Caylee was seen alive. It was last accessed on 10/14/08 – the day the grand jury indicted Casey for murder and she was returned to jail for the last time.
* Birth Sign – Pisces. (Casey’s is as well.)
* Location: Miami, FL (Casey kept emphasizing to her brother Lee that Miami was “definitely” a place to look for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
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Blink, I wonder if this explains the reason why she had said how she hoped the trial would be moved to Miami
OK..I will believe..just so hard to believe that your child is missing and you don’t know what the date is that you last saw your/our 2 year old! Everyone lies so much..it is getting harder and harder to make sense out of all of this..even the reaction of not believing that the remains are those of Caylee…Which as a suicide survivor is most common for this state of mind…not homicide.
#1242 Steady chick interesting theory. They have thrown out so many red herrings it is hard to keep up. I also remember some clothes being found could she have been talking about these?
Blink, anyone, Were the clothes that were found in Blanchard park ever tied back to Casey or Caylee? I believe in one of Tony’s interviews he asks about these clothes and states that he thinks he recognizes (From T.V) a piece of clothing as being similar to a black dress or shirt of Casey’s. Does anyone-else remember this?
Oh, Gavi, I did worry that my comment to you sounded snarky, but every time I started to write “I hope this doesn’t sound snarky” it made it sound 5 times MORE snarky, so i just crossed my fingers and hoped for the best.
Apropos of nothing, I was thinking earlier, what if Casey somehow got away with this crime due to a mistrial or whatever. After Geo and Cindy’s initial elation, what do you think would happen?
I think they’d be scared to live under the same roof with her. They’d have to send her out of state and pay for her to live there, and beg her not to have any more children, and if she does, to give them to the Ants and never come visit them.
I think they are probably secretly hoping she gets life or a long prison sentence.
#1237 I am thoroughly convinced that Casey O’Marie Anthony is a full blown Narcissist.
Todd, wouldn’t it be interesting to have details of a narrowed time of day to the hour(s) and whose ISP was used to create that Myspace page. The 16th lasted 24 hrs– where was Casey in the first few hours of that day. That bit of information might reveal one more link in the chain of events of that day.
And Oct 14th as well, if it were Casey (vs someone helping her with deception) she had limited time before the events of that day, from her father’s appearance at the GJ, to her ‘Gauntlet’ pseudo ‘take down’ adventure, to her videotape ‘debut role in custody’ in the holding interview room.
(Still we have not learned when and how Ms. Casey met her Robin ‘hood’ lawyer– and when– and what he did with that Lanyard– was there a cache of cash somewhere to grease the wheels to be set in motion?– 14 grand, wasn’t the story?)
(Blink– thanks for putting those much earlier posts together for me, as they should have been in the first place, I didn’t catch your comment until late–
You were wray ahead of me!!! 
Blink, I doubt this was Robin Jose’s first experience with funding in this manner– maybe there is something to be gleaned from his past clients– or past cases he was associated with (ie: what sleaze defense lawyer taught him these techniques, how did he pay Mr. Todd Black, there must be a paper/money trail– this knowledge didn’t come out of thin air)
I can’t believe it– my regular grocery market had ‘Globe’ in the check out all along! I never saw one until tonight, they aren’t set in the best viewing place, mostly with customer backs to the mags. Now I’ll have to watch the covers!! (can’t believe I just typed that–
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Tony Lazarro cell phone photos
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# Comment by Angela_nw — October 26, 2009 @ 10:15 pm
Was there an article published in the Globe Aug. 25 2008 that went with the pic published on that date (KC & Caylee on couch & guitar)? I can’t figure it out from the Globe archives. Anyone know? Also, is there any significance to the fact that the Globe had that pic early (in Aug) and published one from the same timeframe/location on the cover almost 2 months later (Oct)?
I had a neatly organized post all typed out with links to the photos with the article on the Aug 25, 2008 GLOBE article, and hit SEND, but not sure if it is waiting on moderator approval, or if it got lost in cyber space?
#1005 Blink
“Does everyone see how completely W R O N G that is on every level?”
You have no idea Blink … makes me want to spit nails just looking at some of those photos, which makes me seriously question something going through my mind for quite a long time now … is it just me, or does it really seem as though Casey’s friends have almost gone out of their way at times in trying to describe how great of a mother Casey was to Caylee? At times we’ve heard a few questionable things, but for the most part, it seems most of them have just been so full of peaches and cream in regard to describing Casey with Caylee and how protective she was of her, blah, blah, blah, that it has really made me wonder … why dost protest so much? Annie Downing in particular, but a few others as well … just very curious … the whole thing.
Separate issue … I’ve been away most of the weekend from the computer so behind, but just wanted to comment about your previous Rosanne Rosanna Danna comment several days ago … I not only remember her, I LOVED her! I would literally find a way to sit up til midnight just to watch her praying she would be on that week on SNL. I miss all the old “originals” (lol) from SNL. Loved Gilda Radner …. totally cracked me up. I actually used to have hair so frizzy and dry that I used to be able to tip my head down, brush my hair and come up and have it look almost exactly like her, LOL. Not by choice, mind you, but able to. Those weren’t fun days … kids can be so cruel, LOL.
I’m taking it easy-on-the-eyes and doing the remaining depo pages bit by bit, rather than doing the ‘all in one go’ method as with Lee’s depo! No more of that– computer screens take a toll on the eyes.
As I am going through George’s depo at an easy pace, one thing strikes me as significant for some reason, and that is the ‘priorities’ of Cindy and of Lee, respectively, with regards to their ‘less significant others’.
Lee stated, and apologized to Mallory, that first in his life were the CMA women, last, was Mallory. Family first, unrelated woman to-be-spouse, comes in behind the mother and sister. That’s the way it is, Lee was clear about that order of importance.
George seems to be in the same position as any girlfriend, or potential spouse, in Lee’s life– he was told by Cindy that he can leave, but Casey and Caylee ‘are always going to stay’. As if the male, or in Lee’s case, the female as spouse, is to be in a predetermined ranking behind the first priority family members, female members.
Understanding the family hierarchy, the interrelationships that Cindy seems to dominate and order, is going to be key in understanding the event that took the youngest CMA away. George seemed to have little role except to provide these babies, as he was basically disposable as a male in this matriarchy. Lee seems to fit into the Cindy order of things, he almost at times, is given the role of provider for the household, over and above George.
I find this all very foreign and strange. I suppose it’s time to open more advanced anthropology books to learn more about matriarchical societies, and maybe this will give some clues into this family unit and organization. (I’m not sure I could even begin with psych or sociology, but maybe there is some good reading that will not overwhelm in trying to understand with any reliability).
It is as if George was there for one purpose, and one purpose only– to provide the babies for Cindy while being limited in his career as directions were controlled by Cindy, the LE career was ended, his independence as a part of the family diminished perhaps from this point onwards. It was stay and put up, or leave and not be part of ‘my’ family. Your choice– your rank is beneath the rest.
Is it any wonder that George was at odds with Lee and with Casey too, and both Casey and Lee had little respect for their father, when he was lower ranked in the matriarchy than either of them? The way Cindy treated George may have been a powerful lesson for the two children. Lee was given the preferential role of provider it seems, in certain situations, over and above his father.
This preferential role of Lee as ‘investigator’, Cindy as ‘media handler’ and George as sundry other things, like posters and driving around meeting people– it is a degrading way to keep a husband in tow, beneath the ‘male’ who is his son, beneath the lying and deceptive, stealing daughter, and even below the baby Caylee, as George had no real influence on day to day issues even to the baby’s well being, safety– he wasn’t even caring for the child by one account IIRC, unless Casey or Cindy were also there.
That’s all– I just don’t understand this, nor the implications or seriousness of how this Cindy family ‘program’ went so out of control, which it surely did.
Just had a random thought that I hadn’t considered before…
In the month that Caylee was missing, why didn’t someone ask to see Casey’s latest photos of Caylee? Obviously her parents and friends knew she took tons of pictures of Caylee. With today’s technology, Casey could have even sent phone pictures of Caylee doing some of the fun activities she was supposedly enjoying.
A great deal of emphasis has been put on the fact that there were no photos of Zanny in Casey’s photobucket but I haven’t seen anyone question why Casey’s photo “journal” of Caylee came to an abrupt end. As rapidly as children change in Caylee’s age range, you know good and well doting grandparents would have wanted to see pictures!
The ‘confusion’ over the last day Caylee was seen, June 8/9 by the grandmother/father respectively, was said by Cindy to have been caused by lack of significance of ‘Father’s Day’ as she forgot what day Father’s day was.
What do you make of George’s statements page 145, esp. from line 17? Sounds like a very significant day.
And after 11 pm, George ‘absolutely’ (two absolutely’s worth) did look in on Caylee, sleeping in Casey’s bed.
………..and just when things are getting ‘heavy’ in the depo topic– along comes Baez and a frozen, two faces Andrea!
Skype and a 20″ screen– the modern day communication tool surpasses the ‘Cone of Silence’ in reliability………… or does it….. (back to the shoe phone!!)
Blink, What do you think about the rug taken from the A’s home that lit up with a compound for blood, etc.( luminal?) This was at the same time as the dogs smelled decomposition? How do you believe Caylee was killed?
I think it can light up from ALS from many sources, one of them is rug cleaner, any bluing agent.
B
Debidoll in #1251 got me to thinking about Casey initially going along with Cindy’s mistaken date of 9th June as the last day Caylee had been seen. In my opinion, Cindy genuinely was mistaken about the date to begin with. Casey, on the other hand, actually did not remember the date of the last time she saw her daughter, because she didn’t care. It wasn’t important; she just skated along with whatever date Cindy gave. After all, Cindy was the one who got that ball rolling by telling detectives the 9th was correct.
I believe to the depths of my soul that once Caylee was out of the picture, she was also out of Casey’s consciousness. I honestly believe that. So the “last date seen” was unimportant to Casey.
Danita,(sorry lost your post number) I would hope that all the Geo. Anthonys come to their deserved fate…a stretch in the clink. I worry about the immunity each has received, though. Don’t know how that works with later obstruction charges. Legal minds, or someone with a mind, could probably answer elucidate. This case leaves me as something like a half-wit.
In the Couey case in FLA, his half-sister and two others living in the house were charged with obstruction for failing to notify police when Couey allegedly told them he killed Jessica Lunsford. I do not believe these relatives went to prison for their crime. I feel that LE is after the big cheese, here, and the rest of the rats will scurry scott free.
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#1197 Silversprn, I am in awe of your brilliant analysis. It gives me hope that justice for baby Caylee will triumph. The thought of Casey Anthony in court stabbing at her eyes for a teardrop to accompany Cindy’s recitations of what a grand mother Casey was… makes me want to retch. May it do so to the jury.
How much did that family really care for Caylee? You made us acutely aware when you wrote of Cindy and Geo. allowing the non-working Princess to sleep in while her baby of 2 was preparing her own breakfast and wandering around the house in the morning seemingly untended…aware that all the photos in Anthony world depicting the pretty costumes and stuffed animals and sunglasses and shoes show no more than to this family Caylee was a pretty pawn and prop.
Blink asks, “When does the brutal death of this beloved baby matter to them?” When they are also behind bars?
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#1202 Nickel. Good catch on that “My daughter finally admitted that she has been missing.” Wouldn’t you like to hear all those calls and read all the texts between Casey and Cindy during the 31 days? No red flags for Cindy, though. She trusted her daughter. Mais oui!
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1210 Ada, yep, what’s the deal about dropping Caylee off between 9:00 and 1:00? The last day that you saw your darling daughter alive on this earth and you can’t recall the exact hour you dropped her off? And your job was just sort of calling for you whenever you sauntered in? Oh, that’s right. Shift focus on second story. She was kidnapped from you in Blanchard Park. Between those same hours? Or did you note a more precise time for the discombobulated amateur theft of your child?
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Blink, why did Casey operate within such an elastic time frame (9:00-1:00) for the kidnapping? Did the investigators keep her far from George so she didn’t know exactly what time he said she “left” the house with Caylee on George’s supposed watch?
No wonder this case drives me wacky. No Anthony gives a story from which anyone can derive a time frame. Not even themselves… because they all lie, even to each other. Praying that LE has a good running account of the 31 days. Good Hitchcock title. “The Thirty-one Days”.
Enquiring minds want to know what the heck was on the card that the officer took from Cindy on July 15 from the purse. When will we know???
I realize what i said sounds like Baez.
He is right….You don’t plan,execute ,coverup to the extremes most believe Casey did then be stupid enough to dump {sorry I hate that word when talking of Caylee} your child at end of your street!
I truly believe Casey was set up.I will wait until trial to understand what happened!
I am sorry Blink if I came off rude! Not intended ….
I dont really see where anyone is thinking she did anything but retro-fit that with which she had 31 days head start.
She said she was close to home, she was. At the end of the day we are just discussing all sides of the kaleidescope.
I respect your opinion, but this girl is an enabled-malignant-narcissist-baby killer who flung her child into the woods to rot after the indiginous wildlife tore her baby corpse apart (graphic intended) and scattered her throughout the swamp area that is apparently an alfresco toilet as well. She thought about it exactly long enough to run out of gas a block away.
Smart? No.
Countdown to Feb. 1st.
B
# 1190_suz
“Aaaack! Westsidehudson has Occam’s razor pressed firmly against my throat! Ulp. Easy, now, easy….”
FUNNY! I missed this yesterday.
Cultural connections to over protecting ?
The article highlights a severe case in Italy, but also provides insight in variations of cultural child rearing practices. With controlling and perhaps over protecting Casey through pre-teen/teen years, could Cindy have set into motion the acting out: ie. stealing? Perhaps that was one way Casey had control? The article mentions anorexia, which is an extreme form of ‘taking control’. You wanted to look at sociology, so I figured I’d toss this out. It however, distinctly references Europe, and not the US:
In Italy, a Mamma Accused of Doting Too Much
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1931216,00.html?xid=rss-world
EXCERPT:
…….Of course, parents who hover over their children, watching every move they make, are not limited to Italy. Modern society is producing ever more overinformed, overanxious and overprotective parents, blamed for causing or exacerbating all sorts of problems in their children, from learning disabilities to teenage anorexia. “If you don’t let your child discover the world, it can do real harm,” says Henriette Felici-Bach, a child psychologist in Paris. “In these cases, the parent must be cured as well. If a mother is acting this way, it is because she is not well, she fears something that does not exist.”
….Felici-Bach specializes in what’s known as ethno-clinical psychology, which focuses on the effects of cultural origins on human development. She says there are very clear differences in the approaches to child-rearing from one country to the next. “In Germany, children are educated from early on to [execute] a task on their own from beginning to end. In southern [European] countries, children are dependent on what people tell them to do. Southern societies have preserved an independent way of raising children, resisting the modern educational practices that encourage independence at an early age.” ….”According to Italian economists Enrico Moretti and Marco Manacorda, who have studied the phenomenon, the issue also comes down to culture. They’ve found that some Italian parents will actually pay their grown children not to move out. “Italians, unlike parents from most other countries,” Moretti says, “like living with their grown children.”
Susie, from what I’ve read recently about friends of Casey having a second license, I think it was most likely a driver’s license (whether expired or not) in the name of Zenaida.
Most interesting reading on the theories that Casey herself was Zanny… I thought for some time she might in “theory” be Zanny but after reading about the traffic citation, etc. I am almost 100% certain she had an alias and that alias was the elusive Zanny.
As far as when we’ll see or hear about that card, I think it’s a toss up whether it will come in through the officer or through the compelled testimony of friends who witnessed her use of the card. Either way I think it will be shocking to the public at large.
What I’d like to know is whether Florida driver’s licenses have photo id on them…
My last post was to Kleat
Justice 23 – you make a good point about how odd Casey’s friends’ descriptions of her as a great, protective mother are. But as we know, good moms do not take their 2 year old daughter to spend the night with various boyfriends, etc. If they did ever witness anything to the contrary, they might not want to report it now because that would make them look bad. But I suspect that the painful truth is that not many of them would necessarily know the difference between Casey and a good mother. They are all so young and hadn’t been in the position to really know what parenting was all about.
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I am going to use CAPS, not to “yell”, but rather to highlight my response vs. your questions. (this is common practice in work emails–just makes it easier for us to quickly reference who is responding to questions/what they are saying)
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This was posted by suz:
Aaaack! Westsidehudson has Occam’s razor pressed firmly against my throat! Ulp. Easy, now, easy….
All I am wondering is whether the defense could say (in closing arguments?), “Sure she created the myspace page for zanny—not to cover up a crime she was about to or had already committed, but because zanny asked or instructed her to.”
NO. THEY CANNOT ARGUE THIS UNLESS SOMEONE TESTIFIES TO IT. THEY HAVE TO BASE CLOSING ARGUMENTS ON THE EVIDENCE OF RECORD.
HENCE, UNLESS CASEY TESTIFIES THAT SHE CREATED THE MYSPACE PAGE AT THE DIRECTION OF “ZANNY”, OR “ZANNY” TESTIFIES THAT SHE DIRECTED CASEY TO CREATE IT… NO DICE.
Sure it’s a reach, but she’s already wayyyyy out on a nanny limb anyway, so what’s one more ridiculous claim?
WHAT’S ONE MORE RIDICULOUS CLAIM? UMMMM.. IT WOULD REQUIRE CASEY TO TAKE THE STAND (UNLESS YOU EXPECT THE NON-EXISTENT “ZANNY” TO MAGICALLY APPEAR, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE HER TO EXIST–AND TO BE IDENTIFIED ON THE DEFENSE WITNESS LIST.)
Creating the myspace page on June 16 (if it turns out to have been done from the Ant’s house) is definitely another piece of circumstantial evidence to add to the pile. I was just thinking of ways the defense might dispute it (can’t prove who did it, can’t prove why it was created).
WRONG. CAN PROVE WHO HAD ACCESS TO THAT COMPUTER. ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD, AND DEPENDING ON TIME IT WAS CREATED, THAT LIKELY RULES OUT CINDY AT THE LEAST. IF IT WAS CREATED WHILE GEORGE WAS HOME, THEY CAN LOOK AT OTHER ACTIVITY ON THE COMPUTER SURROUNDING THE CREATION OF THE MYSPACE ACCOUNT TO SEE IF THAT SHEDS LIGHT; BUT ALSO… LOGIC DICTATES THAT IT WAS SOMEONE FAMILIAR WITH MYSPACE, THE NAME “ZENAIDA”, AND WHO WAS LOOKING FOR A PERSON TO BLAME (EITHER FOR WHAT SHE PLANNING TO DO, OR HAD ALREADY DONE).
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btw- wsh- loved your “do you want to step in it?”=) and you made a great point about the use of Occam’s razor- allow me to just add this: if forensic investigators and prosecutors relied on Occam’s razor, a LOT would be missed during crime scene investigation
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#1254 justice/B-
Let’s not forget that when Caylee was a baby, and on Casey’s watch alone at the home, Casey was inviting Jesse over and having sex with him (ref. Richard Grund, who says he admonished Jesse over this.
Not that having a baby in the home means no sex. But the fact that RG brought this up says a lot. I’m guessing that Caylee was ignored a lot/stuck in front of the TV. Cindy seemed quite defensive-out of nowhere–about how much time Caylee may have spend in front of the TV, and we can guess that this was not while Cindy was watching/caring for Caylee).
Yes- it is OK to use the TV as a “temporary sitter”, so you can tend to other necessary matters (stripping the beds, or using the bathroom, for example), but something tells me that Casey wasn’t doing the housework.
For a woman (and I say woman, not girl, due to her chronological age only) who had no job or other discernible outside “adult” responsibilities, she certainly has a very telling “history” of seeking to AVOID her parental responsibilities.
Slept in late. Didn’t bother to feed Caylee her breakfast. Apparently only bathes Caylee in the morning if she was told to do so by Cindy (if Cindy didn’t do it already or didn’t have time to do it).
Hangs around the house, plays on the computer or yaps, texts on her cell.
Eats some lunch –at home or some fast food joint with Caylee–
Drops Caylee off with a friend (Lauren.. or Kristina..), or a “family” member (Richard Grund… Cindy at Gentiva)…
And goes on her merry way.
This was not just in the month or two leading up to Caylee’s death. This was a solid history of avoiding parental responsibility/pushing Caylee off on ANYONE she could find to take her.
It is maddening that both Cindy and George testified under oath that they “trusted Casey’s jugdment” with respect to “Zanny”.
LUDICROUS.
They knew, from actual events–adding up to a “history”– that Casey was “dumping” her daughter on others almost every chance that she could.
One of the saddest things I have observed as a child advocate is how much a child yearns to be loved, even by a repeatedly abusive and/or neglectful parent. The forgiveness and love that a small child can exhibit for a parent who harms/ignores said child is astonishing.
Hummmm … This has probably been mentioned before, but I am a little slow (drowning in case load) but IF (and I do believe this to be the case) Casey IS Zenaida, and this can be substantiated by her use of a fake DL under the name Zenaida Fernandez/Gonzales, long before Caylee disappeared, as well as her having set up a MySpace page under the same name, on June 16,(which would assume premeditation)it would be most interesting to know just where she came up with the name.
Could it be that she put the name together from the two neighboring homes that are so near to where Caylee was disposed of, within the Anthony neighorhood? And didn’t DC search the parameter of one of those houses? (I tend to think that DC planted evidence and that’s why he’s being so evasive.) And if that’s the case, then the houses are also part of the HOLT riddle, are they not? But would this not, then, make the incident at the apartment (I forget the name of it) complex where Tony and Casey and the REAL Zenaida went to tour, a fluke? What would that then do to Zenaida’s case against Casey for defamation? Would it be enough that Casey didn’t exonerate her as being the Zenaida accused of taking Caylee? Can it not, and will it not, be easily proven by the traffic tickets received that Casey is in fact Zenaida? When will we know about this? Can or will Morgan utilize some of this evidence?
I’ve a dozen more questions but have to get to work.
Sorry to be redundant, if that be the case.
Gavriella, simply.
TOY, FL drivers licenses do have photos on ‘em. The newer ones have a colored background, but the older ones were mostly white. Somewhere I have a link to a pdf that shows them but can’t find it at the ‘mo.
#1215 Blink, before I depart I just have to say, it wasn’t at all lame. And in fact, you are, quite possibly, three-quarters correct. It’s the extra fine that’s sometimes gotten me past the baracades that more than a few armed psychotics have hidden behind. S.O. would become so infuriated with me for unbinding many whom they had bound, sensitivity having gained the trust of some of the more disturbed and/or distrustful, to include countless children. The one-quarter that remains is somewhat course, and it enables me to push my way through the machismo of many a male who dares to think it unlikely that I could deal with the worst life has to offer. I’ve left countless with egg on their faces, if you know what I mean.
Hugs, indeed,
Gavi
#1269_”I truly believe Casey was set up. I will wait until trial to understand what happened!”
If you believe that it is outrageous for Casey, (with some help from the cleaning fairies), to have possibly executed this crime, as a young girl, unseasoned, as you said, how do you arrive at the point that it is believable that she was set up? Her friends are the same age. They didn’t have the responsibility of caring for a small child. Caylee was no burden to them. None of them hated Casey. Casey wasn’t an important public figure. She had no money, no job, so there was no financial reward for doing Caylee in. Are we to accept that 20 somethings now are parenting police or posses that go out and teach extreme lessons for those not being superlative parents?
What did they stand to gain by killing Caylee and framing Casey? Who, or why, is someone framing her? There is NO evidence to demonstrate this hypothesis. If there was, any member of the defense, the Anthonys or Brad Conway would be holding a press conference, right now, shouting out that exculpatory evidence.
How do you feel it unbelievable that a woman who NEVER called police when her daughter ‘was missing’ could have killed her own child, and yet you find it personally reasonable that a cast of characters within the same peer group collectively conspired to “do her in”? What evidence have you read, that you can share here, points in that direction? MOTHERS KILL THEIR CHILDREN. Sorry, it is a harsh reality.
There really aren’t 10,000 scenarios about how she killed the baby. But there are about that many on what else could have happened from the Anthonys; all of them defy logic.
I’ll add one:
A spaceship with blinding lights hovered and then landed. A stunned Casey was rendered unconscious. The space crew accomplished this by placing a scientifically advanced diode into her brain that programmed the story of an nanny abduction. They then took Caylee away to perform tests, and when completed, they placed her in the woods making it appear that her mother was involved. They also put evidence in the car. All of this was a diabolical plan to keep the humans of the earth oblivious to their existence. Poor Casey remains programmed to repeat lies. Initially the Anthonys were onto the lies and were concerned. But the aliens, not having finished their work, and ultimate plan to take over the world, toddler by toddler, visited the Anthonys in the dark of night, and administered the same diode treatment and reprogramming their thinking about events.
Reasonable doubt? Perhaps for someone who has strong beliefs in extraterrestrial abductions. Is it possible? I suppose, I have no complete knowledge of all things in the universe. Is it likely?
Silverspnr #1275 Spot on, as always. Cindy sure as hell didn’t sound like someone who trusted Casey or Zanny’s judgement when she wrote that MySpace message about “Who is now looking out for the little Angel?”!
Been trying to get into the mind of Cindy/Casey. I tell you- it’s a good thing Cindy worked home health and doc offices. I saw a few nurses like her when I worked the floor. They were the kind that made the patient wait until the EXACT minute for their pain medication. It’s power and control. It didn’t matter how much they called and moaned in pain. I always was so liberal with pain meds- the patient slept better, healed faster. Plus it kills me to see people in pain. Cindy certainly has some sort of OCD. I’m not excusing Casey’s behavior at all!! There are a lot of people like Cindy out there and their kids didn’t kill. I just feel so bad for anyone that happened to come in contact with this dynamic duo. Anyway- that didn’t contribute much but I was just thinking- thank God Cindy didn’t work on the floors.
PS- the rebellion- think George’s gambling was a sort of rebellion against Cindy?
There is no way they can use the defense that Zanny told Casey to create that myspace page. Give me a break. So someone kidnaps your kid and you run back home to create a myspace page for them…Not likely, also if you did it before kid was allegedly kidnapped then you already knew Zanny was going to ask you to do that? Also not likely. Then if you created it, you would have to give Zanny the password to get onto it, which would mean you would have had contact with her regularly. I have faith that Le knows who created this page and when. The fact that Zanny did not exist except in Casey’s mind is the main point. If Cindy had Zanny’s number on her post it notes it would have been used a long time ago. JMO
TOY, found the pics of the old white Florida driver’s license (and the new colorful one with not one but THREE photos on it, rolled out in 2004). See page 2 of this brochure: http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/newlicense.pdf
The text and the photo for the NATIONAL ENQUIRER article published October 23, 2009, titled “NEW EVIDENCE SPELLS DEATH FOR MURDER MOM CASEY”, is at http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_new_evidence_death_penalty_caylee_pychopath_profiler/celebrity/67548
(excerpt of text in article)
“ANTHONY FAMILY PHOTOS showed investigators that Caylee had a pink shirt embroidered with the “Big Trouble” saying. The shirt was never found inside the Anthony home in Orlando after Caylee’s disappearance.”
The Ntl Enq. says the PHOTO is an “ANTHONY FAMILY PHOTO” (not a photo that a FRIEND supplied). Does this mean that Ricardo did not sell the photo to GLOBE or Ntl Enq …. but someone in the ANTHONY family sold it?
And if Caylee is SEEN WEARING the Big Trouble shirt while Casey is holding her ….. WHY wasn’t this shirt found in the Anthony home when a search warrant was conducted?
Well now, that settles that. Nicely done Thinker.
Next Question:
How could it belong to Ricardo and they refer to it as an Anthony family photo? According to recent Depositions of George, Lee and Cindy, they never saw this photo ( or bs permutations, you get the idea.)
I have a question. If LE does not have the full version of this photo, and they had the A’s computers, Casey’s thumb drive, and allegedly her photobucket was deleted prior to Cindy coming to Tony Lazzaros- where was this image stored?
B
I agree TandT…….Cindy would not have sent Lee on a wild goose chase through Orlando and would not have been 31 days patient with Casey to produce Caylee if she had of had Zanny’s phone number. She would have called Zanny up and started bashing Casey like she did to all Casey’s other friends. JMO
#1247 Comment by Angela_nw — October 26, 2009 @ 10:15 pm
Was there an article published in the Globe Aug. 25 2008 that went with the pic published on that date (KC & Caylee on couch & guitar)? I can’t figure it out from the Globe archives. Anyone know? Also, is there any significance to the fact that the Globe had that pic early (in Aug) and published one from the same timeframe/location on the cover almost 2 months later (Oct)?
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It would be great if someone could go to their public library and look up the ARTICLES that go with the GLOBE’s 2 issues (so far) of Caylee in the Big Trouble shirt. It might be very enlightening to read what the corresponding articles say.
Yes, there was an article in the GLOBE, August 25, 2008, that goes with the photo of Caylee in Big Trouble shirt and Casey playing guitar – the text is part of the jpeg image we have. It says “page 35 – CONTINUED FROM CENTER”, titled “CAYLEE DIED IN FAMILY POOL – & MOM’S TO BLAME!”
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=Bigtroublecaylee_anthony-0018-gl-1.jpg
This photo is a copy of the “CENTER” of the article in the GLOBE August 25, 2008 issue. It is too tiny for me to read the text.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=CayleeBigTroubleGLOBEAug252008cente.jpg
I have not seen a copy of the article TEXT that goes with the GLOBE October 8, 2008 photo of Casey holding Caylee with the Big Trouble shirt on, titled “REVEALED WHY CAYLEE MOM SNAPPED!”
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=Bigtroublephotolightened.jpg
The text and the photo for the NATIONAL ENQUIRER article published October 23, 2009, titled “NEW EVIDENCE SPELLS DEATH FOR MURDER MOM CASEY”, is at http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_new_evidence_death_penalty_caylee_pychopath_profiler/celebrity/67548
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=NationalEnquirerBigTroublebedroomli.jpg
The NATIONAL ENQUIRER published the UNcropped photo of Caylee in the Big Trouble shirt showing the background bedroom with the shoes and dollar-sign glasses on the floor on the same day, October 23, 2009, under their “Breaking News” page.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=NationalEnquirerBigTroublebedroomli.jpg
Ok, so dedicated am I to my devil’s advocacy that I am going to go down in flames defending an argument that I do not even believe in. So here goes.
In the same bizarro world where Zanny provides casey with a script and sends her instructions on her myspace page (ostensibly as to where to go clubbing) during her daughter’s kidnapping, it makes total sense for said Zanny to have instructed casey to create a zanny myspace page, also for kidnapping script/instructions.
As I had kind of guessed (and silver so kindly confirmed in non yelling caps that still looked yelly and kind of scared me, lol), there’s really not a way for the defense to float this theory. In any event, I would think that most jurors could put two and two together and come up with the likely culprit, even if all the Ants were at home during the creation of the myspace page.
Plus, if zanny is computer literate enough to change casey’s password to timer55, she can certainly set up her own myspace page—though maybe she wanted to avoid having her IP addy associated with the account. (uh oh, there i go again)
I am still wondering about the kidnapping “window of opportunity”. Casey told LE she dropped Caylee off between 900 and 1300 hours. George saw them last at 12:50. The creation of the Zenaida web page is sure to be crucial evidence but when did the kidnapping take place. How far away are the Sawgrass apts. and/or Blanchard Park?
Also since LE knows how to access the computer data, will there be any defamation lawsuits later against posters who try to run the bus over so many innocent “friends” of Casey?
#1258 by Thinker. Thanks for the post and the links to the pics. Little Caylee certainly doesn’t look like the happy little girl we’ve all come to recognize in the media photos. Poor little thing….
Ricardo did not kill Caylee. Jesse did not kill Caylee. The ghost nanny did not kill Caylee. For the heck of it, I did a Zenaida search on myspace. The majority of Zenaida’s go by the name of ‘Zenny’, or ‘Zeni’ NOT 1 ‘Zanny’. The nick name is definitely manufactured by Casey and probably inspired by the Xanax angle because it was unique an memorable. Also, the Zenaida and Casey’s myspace pages have sign in dates just 2 days apart. Casey was indeed busy covering her tracks. Using a Dora explorer also makes Zenaida ‘faceless’. How could they identify her other than indicating ‘she’s a spitting image of that Dora chick…the one who has a friend named boots…or is it mitts? Choosing Dora also links Casey because of the Dora packback (I believe it was a backpack). I mean…is this the subconscious revealing Casey’s secrets?
I don’t recall Ricardo, or Jesse or anyone else waiting 31 days to report a missing girl, pole dancing at Fusian, mass texting friends that mandatory attendance is required at night clubs, stealing, lying, claiming dead squirrels are stinkin up her ride. The only logic and the only person who benefitted from the disappearance of that sweet precious girl is her lazy ass mother who couldn’t afford to live on her own OR a nanny for that matter. Innocent names are being dragged down because the lie went too far. Cindy, George and Lee , rather than doing the right thing, went with the lie and ran with it…until it become so proposterous, they had to run away on a cruise…to get their stories straight. When the hysteria dries out, Casey is punished, so will the $$$ and their lifestyle. It will come back to haunt them. I am convinced of it. I truly believe karma may come around sooner than later.
Oh oh, just realized what I did, and that I didn’t think of it as ‘name-calling’ when I alluded to Jose Baez as ‘Robin Hood’ aka Robin Baez. Oops, my apologies, I wasn’t being derogatory per se, Robin Hood was a good and well-meaning character. Caught up in playing on words and messed up in the Blink’s rules dept. (should I try the ‘he takes from the rich media and gives to the poor client’ argument– or am I getting in deeper here, I won’t go the homonym route). Better say sorry and leave it at that.
#1284_suz
yup suz
No worries, I’m not sporting my razor knife, by the way.
Also why would any of the other Anthonys set up a Myspace page for Zanny, in this time period, when they didn’t even know that Caylee was missing until the following month?
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5395519/Info-on-a-Zenaida-My-Space-Created-by-Casey-Anthony
Thinker
“The Ntl Enq. says the PHOTO is an “ANTHONY FAMILY PHOTO”
BINGO! (and yes, that was yelling in all caps)
To quote Blink — “She thought about it exactly long enough to run out of gas a block away.” — are you saying you think she dumped the body the the day of and “before” she ran out of gas and had Tony break the lock on the shed? Therefore the only reason for the supposed gas can incident between GA and Casey would have been for George to confirm there was no body in the trunk? Therefore the return of the gas cans did not happen the way George tells it?
yes, that is my opinion.
B
Hey now, wsh! Excellent point. Casey is the only one who would have had a reason to set up a zanny page. (thank you for not saying DUH, and thanks for putting the razor down, lol)
#285_granmomma “Cindy would not have sent Lee on a wild goose chase through Orlando and would not have been 31 days patient with Casey to produce Caylee if she had of had Zanny’s phone number. She would have called Zanny up and started bashing Casey like she did to all Casey’s other friends. JMO”
Agreed.
Or she would have shown up, like she did at Universal Studios, or Tony’s appt.
debidoll, somewhere in the last doc dump the FBI lab said the porch rug (which had originally “lit up” at the Ant’s home) had no evidence of decomp.
Oh WSH 10:07 ! That’s been my main working theory since day one! How did you guess? Thanks for the levity.
Suz – Your devil’s advocate persona is hilarious. Keep ‘em coming because I have no doubt the defense is right now working with a white board and multi-colored markers just trying to make these square pegs fit into round holes. Heck, they may have an intern sitting there waiting for your next comment.
Have I said I love it here lately?