Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Caylee Pic in The “Big Trouble” T- SOLD TO THE GLOBE BEFORE Remains Found?
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BREAKING NEWS
Orlando, Fl– In the recent depositions by the State Attorneys Office in the case against Casey Anthony one common exhibit was noted in each deposition of George, Lee and Cindy Anthony.
A cropped version of a photo of Caylee wearing the tshirt that is believed recovered with her remains.
All 3 Anthony’s claimed to not have seen this picture before previously, although without being prompted, Lee noted the photo was cropped.
How then, did it get in the hands of The Globe? Could this be the evidence removed from the Anthony home that Jose Baez tells Cindy Anthony to “Zip It” during her testimony and objects to information he considered sealed by the judge?
This edition of the Globe was released October 8, 2008. Six days before Casey Anthony was indicted for murder and remanded to jail without bond.
THE SALE OF THIS PHOTO PRE-DATES THE RECOVERY OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FROM THE WOODS OFF SUBURBAN DRIVE.
One could make the leap that the person selling it would have had knowledge of what she was wearing when 34 month old Caylee Marie met her tragic end.
(EDITORS NOTE: Don’t even try the picture was sold at the yardsale with the clothes and laundry bag– PUHLEASE..)
Blinkoncrime.com poster “Justice 23” contributed to this report.
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wsh, thank you for your great post and the link. Control yes, it seems extreme in the Anthony household and held by only one member. So many questions Cindy was asked in relation to Casey, turned to how Cindy’s thoughts, feelings, views, interpretations, not just in the early FBI interviews when emotions would be so high, but this continues, interpreting all of Casey through this filter called Cindy.
I guess you can’t be blamed for any form of ‘abuse’ if you only are too lenient in your controls of a child, which at times seems the basis of what Cindy is doing in her relationship to Casey. It’s not ‘you stay home’, ‘you do not lie’, it’s almost complicit– was Cindy losing the fight of ‘control’ as Casey sneaked out to her own time and her own life outside the home, more and more? Why did Cindy put up with so much if she HAD so much control. Was this her successor in the family rule?
Does Casey have now, the final and ultimate control of Cindy, if not her own day-to-day life, or future, but she has that final control of what she knows Cindy will do for her. It’s almost like ultimate destruction of everyone as she does not ‘talk’ and take responsibility and save her own life, she must know this is the most harm she can possibly do to her parents, besides further physical destruction.
For lol (the nickname, I am not using it as the expression)– how do you believe ‘truly’ (we’ve discussed this common Casey word in the past) that Casey would still be protecting the ones she allegedly was involved with in the killing of Caylee? Why would she protect such a person or persons? If there is someone else, they she needs to tell all and not send her parents and the PI off on wild goose chases and the FBI (with its incredible resources already mis-directed and wasted without Casey’s help to understand the problems Casey faced with the ‘wrong people’).
It makes no sense, can you help please, poster ‘lol’? Truly, can you go further in how this can be and why Casey continues to do such terrible harm to innocent parents– unless– Casey is protecting those parents from their own involvement. Is that what you might be saying is really going on?
Isn’t it possible that like the Sports Authority situation, Casey has learned that her parents will NEVER hold her to account when she lies– ‘I work there’ and that’s it– nothing more anyone can say to object or prove or disprove– it’s just Casey saying ‘I work there’. (‘going around and around’ with Casey– Lee used that term, George used that term).
btw, does the use of ‘lol’ as a nickname, mean the poster is laughing at all of this, or just making that statement ‘here’, at Blink’s place? ‘Truly’ would like to understand.
One other point I would like to make is that you do not have to be a serial killer, or even a smart killer when you have multiple persons who are helping to cover your butt, clean up after you, hide evidence, not give information, make up lies and do a lot of dirty work for you. Casey is definately not smart enough to cover her own tracks. One thing to ponder…OF all the things we DO know that the A’s have done to cover for Casey, there are A LOT that we do not know, and that is the really scary part!! Of course they know what they are, but we may never know the full extent of this twisted, and sick cover up. I almost and I say almost feel that they all deserve to have to live together for the rest of their lives. In that same house where this poor baby was killed. Maybe even sleeping in the room where she was killed.
lerrik, that was my question about ‘mama’– for the your explanation, thank you!! I guess Casey can’t be jealous of her baby calling her babydoll, ‘mama’, in a roundabout way she’s calling Casey herself ‘mama’.
Or, the opposite. Was Casey wanting to separate herself from the ‘mama’ role, and when Caylee said ‘mama’, she could have decided that Caylee was talking about the doll, not ‘Casey’ herself– sort of separating herself from motherhood issue (as she did contradicting the fact of her pregnancy) below the surface of all the wonderful ‘mothering’ she was doing in front of people and cameras.
I have never been able to understand how Cindy and George be so nonchalant. Did anyone see Somer’s grandmother on TV right after her disappearance? Her pleas were very heartbreaking…. I have never, I repeat NEVER seen Cindy or George either one have any emotions even close to that. Hence, the reason I think they knew before the initial 911 call. They had already had time to grieve, which is the raw emotion that we saw on Somer’s grandmothers face….JMHO
Steadychick and Blink– is this time for another MarinadeDave video map run?? To the location of the ‘car’ and gas can filling from the crime scene?
Oh, but we have George declaring he first noticed gas cans ‘stolen’/shed broken, on the 24th– making a police report (Cindy did not fly off the handle about that decision by George???) when he later stated under oath that Casey had taken gas before. George is in a very bad way with the prosecutor’s questions about these gas cans, the stealing, when he routinely cut lawn as he stated months ago, ‘you can set a clock by me’ says George in his depo, everything neat and away before they ever leave the house, George says, but doesn’t remember when he cut the lawn, got gas the next time etc– Cindy should not send that man to do work she is better qualified to do.
Gawd, I am still stuck on the june 22-24 gas can ‘theft’. I know you guys have good theories on this, but I am mystified. So tell me— Why does George report it to the cops?
a) To teach casey a lesson cuz they figured she was the thief
b) To try to get the cops to find casey and caylee (though they never told cain that casey is usually the thief, in the incident report)
c) To set up a scenario where George can claim to have looked in the trunk (even they didn’t know the car stunk until July 15, in theory)
d) Because gas was at an all-time high plus Geo was sincerely mad that his shed was violated
e) Other (please explain)
Also, since each of the Ants in their latest depos talked about where the keys to the shed were kept, and it’s undoubtedly something casey would have known, why did casey get tony to break the lock? Was it faster than going inside and getting the key? Was she trying to simulate a theft? Did she simply forget her house keys? Did the whole thing never happen, even though tony copped to his part in it eventually?
suz, putting the incident and date on the official record as well as adding the ‘trunk’ view or partial view, or partial view possibility??
Actually, it could be as simple as ‘Cindy told me to do it’.
The text and the photo for the NATIONAL ENQUIRER article published October 23, 2009, titled “NEW EVIDENCE SPELLS DEATH FOR MURDER MOM CASEY”, is at http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casey_anthony_new_evidence_death_penalty_caylee_pychopath_profiler/celebrity/67548
(excerpt of text in article)
“ANTHONY FAMILY PHOTOS showed investigators that Caylee had a pink shirt embroidered with the “Big Trouble” saying. The shirt was never found inside the Anthony home in Orlando after Caylee’s disappearance.”
The Ntl Enq. says the PHOTO is an “ANTHONY FAMILY PHOTO” (not a photo that a FRIEND supplied). Does this mean that Ricardo did not sell the photo to GLOBE or Ntl Enq …. but someone in the ANTHONY family sold it?
And if Caylee is SEEN WEARING the Big Trouble shirt while Casey is holding her ….. WHY wasn’t this shirt found in the Anthony home when a search warrant was conducted?
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Next Question:
How could it belong to Ricardo and they refer to it as an Anthony family photo? According to recent Depositions of George, Lee and Cindy, they never saw this photo ( or bs permutations, you get the idea.)
I have a question. If LE does not have the full version of this photo, and they had the A’s computers, Casey’s thumb drive, and allegedly her photobucket was deleted prior to Cindy coming to Tony Lazzaros- where was this image stored?
B
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My thought on this question, is that Casey had a printed COPY of the photo that Ricardo or someone took and gave to Casey, and Casey sold the “hard copy” actual photo to GLOBE/Ntl Enq. Casey may not have ever uploaded the Big Trouble photos into her photobucket or MySpace accounts. She may have just had the lose photos or had them in her own photo album?
If Ricardo had sold the Big Trouble photos, it seems the corresponding article in the mags would have mentioned that “former boyfriend” has photos of Caylee wearing the Big Trouble shirt, during a party that HE attended with Casey.
It seems that Ricardo only sold photos that have HIM in them, with Casey and with Caylee. Seems to me that Ricardo would not have “ownership” rights in a photo that HE was not in, and that also are photos of a MINOR child.
And …. if Casey never uploaded the Big Trouble photos into her photobucket or MySpace accounts … that is suspicious in itself. WHY leave out that particular photo? There were so many other photos of Caylee in her PB and MS accounts, why not that one? Especially since Caylee was wearing the BT shirt in the same timeframe of the “beer wench shirt” party/dollar-sign glasses party.
Seems the Big Trouble photo only surfaced when there was MONEY to be made by selling it to the mags.
Suz -
e) Other (please explain)
George wanted solid documentation of Casey’s thefts in case they decided to go forward with seeking custody of Caylee (?????)
westsidehudson
God Forbid anyone reserve the right to their own opinion.
Like I said i will wait for trial to hear everything before I judge Casey Anthony.
Do I believe her original story?
No …..but I also think there is a reason for it,so i wait until trial.
This is why people do not speak up on most of these forums because their opinions are ridiculed if not the majority.
my opinion stands ,we do not need to agree.
That’s not fair, lol ( your name, I am not laughing)
You have a dissenting opinion. You voiced the specifics of it. When it is refuted based on VERIFIABLE FACTS, you simply say “I think there is a reason for it” and announce you have been ridiculed.
Take a look at some of the posts on this thread alone. Within the regular reader/contributorship, we disagree with each other all the time, support our position and move on.
It is exactly that “martyrish” passive aggressive stance that eats away at credibility for an opposing point of view.
If the Anthony’s and Baez think the jurypool is going to respond to that he is as mistaken as he is about thinking he will get out of this case without a bar complaint that finally sticks.
I get the fact that some want to support the Anthony’s by proclaiming Casey’s innocense.
But here is a novel concept- what if everyone stops lying their asses off and do THE RIGHT THING for CAYLEE.
****************TAKE THIS TO YOUR LEADER*************************
Can you state, verifiably, that your daughter HAS BEEN TOLD the possibility of her being aquitted is slim to none?
Can you state, verifiably, that your daughter HAS BEEN TOLD the likelihood of a conviction in this case will probably result in a life sentence without the possibility of parole, or the death penalty?
Can you state, verifiably, that your daughter HAS BEEN TOLD that the reality is, if she were to proffer a plea, with every single piece of information and waive rights to an appeal or plea withdrawl if in fact this childs death WERE an accident she attempted to cover up, that chances are she would be able to negotiate 25-life WITH the possibility of parole?
(dont shoot the messenger on this guys, it prob won’t happen anyway, but it could).
Finally-
Why is it, in your opinion, everyone other than you cares more about restoring the dignity of this sweet child?
B
I was a high school art teacher for 30 years. There are some psychology theories I learned during my tenure.
1. A child develops morals from the father culminating about age 10.
2. 70% of unwed teenage girls who get pregnant were victims of some sexual activity to which they were not allowed to give consent.
3. The average male tells about 6 lies a day (this is includes little white lies).
Maybe none of this applies to Cindy and/or Casey. Most of the Anthonys are smart enough to cover a misstatement or revelation with a fairly credible lie. None of them are smart enough to remember the specific lie or connect it to another string of lies.
Thinker
I could be wrong, but in the depo, they specifically ask Lee if he saw that photo on the computer, (before he started deleting photos, in general). If I recall correctly, he says he doesn’t remember it. He doesn’t say “definitely not”. So they could have been on the computer. Riccardo might have taken the photo, but later emailed it to Casey, before Caylee went missing.
Also, on the earlier post of “Anthony Family photos”, I am now considering that that was how the Enquirer may have titled the photos, or it is a description of them rather than ostensibly a photo credit. I will have to go back and hit the link, but usually photo credits go directly below the photo, either the names are prefaced by “courtesy of” (generally indicating submission by the party, and usually for free), or “Copyright” (free or paid use, but designates rights to an individual, barring other publications from using the photo without permission).
e) Other (please explain)
Did the Anthony’s garage door have a keypad? If not and they were in Tony’s car, they couldn’t access the key to the shed. George probably knew that Casey knew where the key to the shed was and sincerely believed he had been robbed.
Comment by suz — October 27, 2009 @ 11:51 am
Thanks Suz…but I thought that it said that it was taken and it was screened for blood? Because it lit up under the light. Have not read where they disclosed that it has no evidence on it.
I haven’t posted in sometime but I read everyday. You guys are all amazing. I personally feel that when Cindy gets on the stand the prosecution is going to eat her up with a few simple questions. I don’t have the links or sources but I remember in Cindy’s M&M depo her reasons for not contacting “Zanny” was because it was Casey’s job to take care of Caylee and she didn’t get “involved”- it wasn’t her place but if you go back – I believe in one of Maura’s posts- during the time Lee was out searching for Casey Cindy was actually searching people from Casey’s my space and called one girl to get information. Why didn’t she just call “Zanny”? Then Cindy found Amy’s number (in Casey’s car) and called her to find out where Casey and Caylee were- why didn’t she just call “Zanny”. If I were on a jury that would be very telling for me. It would seem odd to me that her mother would have to lie for her….she must be guilty. Especially since Cindy claims she had “Zanny’s” number under “Z” with her other numbers.
To quote Blink — “She thought about it exactly long enough to run out of gas a block away.” — are you saying you think she dumped the body the the day of and “before” she ran out of gas and had Tony break the lock on the shed? Therefore the only reason for the supposed gas can incident between GA and Casey would have been for George to confirm there was no body in the trunk? Therefore the return of the gas cans did not happen the way George tells it?
yes, that is my opinion.
B
Blink, so you think she dumped the body on the 24th, or am I just confused?
23rd.
B
I went back and looked. There is no credit or copyright below the photo, but I didn’t see it on others either. I guess that is the way the NE rolls. Probably with a lot of anonymity for obvious reasons.
There is a contact email. I suppose someone can query them to see who has the rights too the photo, or who sold it. Doubt you’d get an answer though.
How about the idea that Cindy was involved in covering up, but George was not. I think
Casey alone is responsible for Caylee’s death, but Cindy did figure it out sooner and started the cleaning, lying and covering up. After she sent George to work, she did her best to wash clothes, take things out of the car, etc.
There is no way she could have gone in to eat lunch before going back to work that day. The smell is very strong and I just don’t buy it. I think George’s memory of the 16th and possibly the gas can incident were manufactured by Cindy “reminding” him of what he remembered. He isn’t very good with remembereing his role. I don’t believe he even thought he was playing a role until later when Casey came home.
There is something that bugs me, LE was fairly sure that George was out of the loop. There were comments made about that somewhere. He truly seemed to be giving LE way too much information in that first tape of him, when he doesn’t want Lee or Cindy to know that he spoke with them. The one where he threw up, just with the thought of what had possibly happened to Caylee.
When Casey came home, how about if that is when he found out that not only Casey had done it, but that Cindy was complicit in the covering up after the fact somehow. This would REALLY cause him to be conflicted. When he went to the hotel to think over his options/potential suicide attempt, he had to
1)choose to tell the truth (and lose both Casey and Cindy),
2)live the lie, or
3)take himself out of the picture with the beer and pills
He chose to live the LIE.
Are you saying “lol” left out the God Bless?
1261 Kleat Brilliant look into “The Family”
I believe this is why Casey never thought she would be held accountable for her actions. Even if it was in doing away with Caylee.
It’s not a crime for a mother to take her child and leave. It’s not a crime to avoid your parents. It’s not a crime to not allow family members access to your daughter. Its not a crime to let your nanny watch your child, instead of a family member. She thought she could stall Cindy with lies while staying one step out of her reach. She thought Cindy would never follow through with calling the police (outsiders) and even if she did,Casey figured all she would have to do is state the obvious, My mother is a control freak, my daughter is fine and its not a crime!
She never thought she would be asked to produce Caylee by anyone other than Cindy. George wasn’t allowed to ask questions. Lee wasn’t that interested he just wanted to keep the peace. Everyone-else was satisfied with- Caylee’s at the beach. She’s at the nanny’s.
Cindy had never followed through on anything when it came to questioning Casey. Casey’s grades/graduating, her female problems (which looked alot like a growing pregnancy) Casey’s “borrowing” of other people’s checks,the immaculate conception,the father of her child, the death of the father,the list goes on and on.
Why not? Because it was easier to believe Casey’s lies. It was easier not to press Casey for answers. It was better to make George the ass for even asking the questions in the first place. I can hear Cindy saying, George! How dare you! Just because you are a liar, just because you can’t hold down a job! Don’t insinuate my Casey would do that!
I believe the first time Cindy ever really confronted Casey was after she stole from her Cindy’s own mother and father. Cindy was placed in a position of either you do something about Casey or I will press charges. Great Grandma had proof. She wasn’t going to let Cindy just sweep it under the rug. She wasn’t going to accept an apology from Casey or from Cindy. She was calling Cindy out on her mothering skills. Her own beloved Mother. Not bumbling liar George, but her Mother.
IMO This is when things went out of control. Casey for the 1st time could not pacify Cindy with lies. She could not get her to just forget. She could not deflect the truth and blame it on any one else. For the first time Cindy was asking the hard questions and she wanted answers. She wanted Casey to take responsibility.
Maybe the last thing Cindy said to Casey is the old stand by ‘You’ll do what I say as long as you live under MY roof’ So Casey said- Fine, You may own this house you may have the power. But I’m taking MY daughter with me and you’ll never see her again! but remember with great power comes great consequence….
Casey may have been wrong about Cindy calling the police. But she wasn’t wrong in believing Cindy would continue to clean up her messes and she wasn’t wrong in Cindy’s ability to make George follow suit. They say no one knows you like your family.
If she didn’t dump the body until the 23rd where was it from the 16th until then. Not trying to argue or anything but I would think decomp was very advanced at that point. I just want to understand.
Under the sandbox or the playhouse since the 18th. Warning, not a pleasant image. I believe when she was putting Caylee in the trunk to move her, is when the decomp fluid leaked from the bag, by the 24th, her first text about the smell of the car, and I believe the postmortem fracture will indicate the stage of decomposition when she was “flung” into the woods.
All my own theory and people on my own team do not agree.
B
Post # 1311..quote: This is why people do not speak up on most of these forums because their opinions are ridiculed if not the majority.
Then please, do not speak up if you feel threaten by your opinion.
The child deserves justice and mother deservers the needle,IMO!
Blink, that was a fabulous reply to this OPINION!
Blink knows something about Lol!!!! Lmao!
Simple explanation to lol……..
People lie to coverup! If nothing happened at the hands of Casey- no lying would have been needed!!
kleat, that has always struck me as the most likely possibility but why would the Ants be setting up the “Geo looked in the trunk” story on June 24? What do you think they knew at that point?
Debidoll, yes, the rug lit up initially under an alternate light source at the Ant’s house so it got taken away and sent to the fbi, and somewhere in that 1405 page doc the FBI lab says “no evidence of decomp” (presumably after more testing). I don’t have the citation but will look for it later.
Tallyho, thank you, that’s an option I hadn’t considered, though they never did tell the cops that it turned out to be Casey (I mean, until the murder investigation that is).
It is interesting that everyone claims that there is no nanny, I have often asked why is that? there is no evidence. we really have not seen any proof that LE even looked. They knew from day one! correct?
Then Judge strickland (a person of authority)stated
Not a bit of useful information has been provided by Ms. Anthony as to the whereabouts of her daughter,” Strickland said. “And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers.”
KABAM!! drilled into our subconscious>>> agreed?
Why look any further? Has it not been stated that it is the opnion from day one that police know she did it.
And everyone is o.k. with this.. what if it were you?
Please pay attention to dates and locations of this lead,??? and?? thank you have a nice day?? -Note: I am not saying that these people are involved- I am stating that our children are disappearing, they are being murdered and it is unacceptable to assume anything.
On Friday, August 8, 2008, Special Agent Supervisor Richard Taveres requested Special Agent
Tim Pope to pursue a lead request from Special Agent Dennis Nevers of the Orlando Region
Operations Center, concerning the interview of a Hispanic female identified as Zenaida
Gonzalez, who was reportedly an inmate at the Hillsborough County Jail.
SA Pope determined from Hillsborough County Jail online information there was a record for
Zaida M Gonzalez, who had been incarcerated at the jail on March 21, 2008, for a DUI violation.
She was released on bond on March 22, 2008.
The name of Zenaida Gonzalez was previously revealed in this investigation as a possible
witness or suspect.
According to ¡ail information on Zaida Gonzalez, her residence was listed as
Tampa, Florida. Gonzalez listed her employment as a teacher at
SA Pope went to| |and met with William Palizo, w/m, DOB:
■■■■■ Palizo stated that he was a friend of Gonzalez and her husband, Joe Torres. Both
Gonzalez and Torres lived at the apartment. Palizo, who was dressed in military uniform stated
he was in the U.S. Air Force along with Torres. Palizo stated that Gonzalez was a teacher and
that she was at work, but he did not know the school. Torres was reportedly at work at MacDill
Air Force Base.
SA Pope went to the I I located at| (Tampa, Florida. SA
Pope met with Zaida Gonzalez, who was in fact a teacher at the school. Gonzalez consented to
an interview and provided, in substance, the following:
Gonzalez married Joe Torres about two years ago and both have lived at the aforementioned
apartment since they were married. Torres was a pharmacy technician in the U.S. Air Force.
When asked if Gonzalez had been to Orlando, Florida, she stated that she and her husband,
along with other family members were in there last week on or about Wednesday, July 30,
2008. They all stayed at the Palms Resort as her brother, Carlos Gonzalez, had an invitation to
stay and attend a time-share sales presentation. They departed on Thursday, July 31, 2008.
Case Number:OR-20-0069
Serial #:20
Author:Pope, Timothy P.
Office: Ta m pa
Activity Start Date:08/08/2008
Activity End Date:08/08/2008
Approved By:Massey, Jack
Description:lnterview of Zaida Gonzalez, AIM Lead #30
Gonzalez stated she and her husband were previously in Orlando in or about June 10 through
June 15, 2008. They were there three days with her husband’s brother and sister and attended
Universal Studios and the Magic Kingdom. During their stay, a friend of Gonzalez, identified as
Rachelle Ferrell, who lives in Orlando, joined them for one day at the Magic Kingdom. Gonzalez
stated she had been in Orlando on several occasions to visit her friend Ferrel.
SA Pope showed Gonzalez a photograph of Casey Anthony to which she responded that she
did not recognize the female as anyone she ever met. Gonzalez stated she was vaguely aware
of the missing girl, Caylee Anthony, in Orlando and had not seen any pictures of Casey Anthony
in the news. Gonzalez could not recall any unusual incidents during her trips to Orlando and did
not recall ever having contact with Casey Anthony.
Interview concluded
???Did not recall??? what does that mean??
Gavi #1276
How Casey came up with the ZFG name has no bearing on ZG’s civil suit against Casey. It is the fact that Casey told LE that she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass Apts with a person of that name (a variation anyhow), and the fact that ZG happened to have been there as evidenced by a business record. (*note that Casey originally gave LE a date of 6/9/08, so that would have been a week off– or a week and a day, perhaps, because I believe ZG may have actually been there on the 17th?)
Anyhow, I doubt we will ever learn the truth about HOW Casey came up with that name. There are the names of those who resided in those two houses. I also believe there was a “Zenaida” in Casey’s class in her home room at Colonial High– (remember Drane-Burdick asking Cindy questions about whether there was a “Zenaida” in Casey’s yearbook during the deposition?? Cindy acted as though she had never heard that/considered it before- More BAD ACTING) and there were several students there with the last name “Gonzalez”.
It has been theorized that Casey knew that a Zenaida Gonzalez visited Sawgrass Apartments, because she accompanied Tony on his apartment hunting quest. To that end, on June 19th, Casey enlisted the help of another former Colonial High friend– Matthew Crisp — who was a leasing agent. It is possible that Casey saw business records at HIS office reflecting ZG’s visit AFTER ZG had already been to see Sawgrass.
To my knowledge, the only person who has stated that Casey referred to “Zanny” as “Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales” prior to July 15, 2008 is Richard Grund, who stated that she used this name in 2006 when he told her he could no longer watch Caylee for her, as he had discovered that she was NOT WORKING, AS SHE HAD CLAIMED. Uniformly, everyone else says that Casey referred to the alleged “nanny” as “Zani” <–which is how I believe that Casey, herself, spelled it in an IM chat.
I note that Matthew Crisp described Casey as “very jovial”, “very, very smiley”, “very upbeat”, “really excited to see [him]” on 6/19.
CHILLING, when you consider that Caylee had only been “gone” for a few days at that point.
He, along with everyone in her cell directory, got that “Caylee is missing. She has been for 32 days now. Please, if you have any information, call me on my cell or at home” text on 7/16. (the more you read that text message, and think about what they are asking LE/the State/people everywhere to believe… the more you realize how STUPID they are)(if only Casey could assist.. and only by way of riddles and “clues”, then why would they be asking all of her friends for information?? Why did she never ask any of her friends for “information” –or try to get it out of them otherwise– for 32 days. I mean.. she ran into Matthew Crisp in July and had lunch with him… and he was friends with Katie Robinson–who lived at…dun, dun, dun.. SAWGRASS APTS, so if her original story was true, wouldn’t she have been in touch with Katie IMMEDIATELY to see if she knew/had seen “Zani” around/etc?? Again. PUH-LEASE.)
*****
wsh-
ROFLMAO at the SPACE SHIP “theory”! HA!
*****
#1258, Thinker
Thank you for posting the photos from Tony L’s cell.
Did everyone notice the poster on the wall behind Casey and Caylee in the middle shot?????
A mother who can be “trusted” with the welfare of this precious baby girl takes her to this apartment?? NO. Not a proper environment for a little girl, by a long shot.
The things that Casey exposed her to… sighhhhhhh.
Let’s not forget that Casey left Caylee to her own devices in Tony’s apartment during a get-together/small party atmosphere with a group of people in their 20s, all of whom she BARELY knew (she had only been seeing Tony for a few wks at that time), some of whom she probably did not know at all– and went into her new boyfriend’s bedroom, presumably for purposes of physical intimacy and/or pot-smoking– leaving her baby to fend for herself.
Can you imagine if a paid babysitter did the same?? You’d NEVER allow him/her to sit for your child again, just for starters.
Remember Cindy’s ridiculous excuse for not having searched Tony’s apartment for Caylee –or any sign of her– when she got Amy to take her there on 7/15? Casey wouldn’t expose Caylee to cigarette smoke. HA.
That “episode” of child neglect at Tony’s happened mere DAYS before Caylee “went missing”.
Caylee–a 2 YR OLD– was answering the door to the apartment to let other 20-somethings in to join the mix. (they could have been anyone/someone who posed a danger to a 2 yr old/you never know, and you certainly do not leave your child alone to find out)
Caylee was struggling with putting her shoes on by herself. WTH.
Caylee was out on a balcony, and could have been left there alone.
“Unfit mother”, indeed.
So why didn’t Casey just leave Caylee with Cindy and George and go about her way, get her need to be free/party out of her system, as Shirley wondered in an email??
IMO, it is because Caylee was her “meal ticket” at that house.
Without Caylee, she really would have been forced to get an education or, more likely, a job. Apparently, she takes after her father on the work ethic scale. (How many security guard positions was George Anthony “just starting” during the first 7 months of 2008 alone?? Has anyone bothered to count???)
Casey USED Caylee, like she USED/USES most people.
IMO, not being able to handle/control Caylee’s normal, developmental tantrums was extremely frustrating to her, and was surely ONE of her motives (as evidenced by the computer searches AND the BIG TROUBLE COMES SMALL, in Packages tee-shirt message).
She started to fantasize about a life without Caylee: relief of the burden, however small it was; freedom to live the carefree life of a single, young, woman; and the final prize: to punish Cindy (“What is given, can be taken away.”)
July 15—a very convincing (and I think sincere, but could be wrong) Cindy freakout after discovering the smelly car, resulting in a trip to the police substation and multiple calls to 911)
July 3—-a flurry of activity to track down Casey, resulting in Lee being sent to clubs looking for her (after discovering…something found in the yard?)
June 24—Geo calls the cops to report stolen gas cans, possibly to provide cover by saying he’d looked in the trunk (after….finding what???)
I still don’t get the timing of the June 24 call, and what Geo and Cin did or did not know on June 24. Did they know she dumped the body on June 23, and if so, why the other freakouts on July 3 and July 15?
Do we think that they KNEW the trunk was in play on June 24?
I think Blink is right on about the body being stashed in the sandbox or playhouse following 2.6 days in the trunk. I tend to think it was just stashed there briefly while she thought about digging a hole with the neighbor’s shovel, which she quickly gave up on because of the rock hard soil, moving the body back into the trunk and dumping it on the 19th. I think by then the bag was already spilling decomp, and it took until the 24th for Casey to realize that the smell was not only not going away, but that it was growing ever stronger.
Has it occurred to anyone else that Casey wasn’t really covering up the murder thinking the police would ever find out, but rather the entire cover up was all about her parents not finding out. It just seems as though they all live in this fantasy world and it obviously never occurred to her that she’d have to explain to anyone but Cindy about the whereabouts of Caylee. In fact Lee was the one who informed Casey that the police would actually need to see Caylee. Could it be possible Casey never, not for one single second, thought it would ever go beyond her family? I think maybe she confessed to them that day when the police were on their way and that is when they (Lee and Cindy) started to cover up for Casey. I truly think George just follows along- it shows when he is alone in his depos and interviews.
Can someone direct me to a timeline so I won’t have to keep asking questions? thanks
Hi Blink: Is there an easier faster way to refresh the page to get back down to the bottom without having to hold the scroll key down?
I still have trouble getting over Casey saying “They haven’t even found the clothes yet.” This would or could imply several things.
1. She knew that some of Caylee’s clothes were in a different place than Caylee was. (Only the murderer would know this.)
2. She had some clothes planted somewhere away from the body, to distract from where the body really was. (Again only the murderer would know)
3. Caylee had no clothes on, but wherever the clothes were must be easier to find than the actual body. (Again only the murderer would know.)
This tells me she did the killing and dumped the body. Amongst other things of course.
In George’s depo he says that on the July 3rd weekend of the backyard renovation he did the cement pad, but Cindy did some planting around the playhouse..flowers for Caylee. Interesting because I believe Cindy found the Tiffany ring in the sand and dirt by the playhouse, that Casey lost while moving Caylee. The telltale ring?
When Mark Forman was interviewed by LE he said the A’s told him without hestitation that the afternoon the ladder was found in the pool and the gate was open were June 17th.
The date Casey borrows the shovel is June 18th. I think on the 17th she was able to detect a slight odor in the backyard by the playhouse but was not prepared to move her at that time. She made a plan, came back on the 18th and put Caylee in the trunk while the car is backed into the garage.
The car starts to smell on the 23rd..she drops the baby’s body off.
Why she ever came back on the 24th..if she did is a surprise to me..because I would have thought that would have been it..all work done. She didn’t need clothes yet..unless she was really there to check on evidence being left behind or to clean the car..but why come when George is home..why not wait another hour until he would have left? The 24th incident puzzles me…anyone, anyone?
#1269_”I truly believe Casey was set up. I will wait until trial to understand what happened!”
And I am truly interested in why you think Casey was set up. Not being snippy, here, really. Just trying to understand.
Casey herself said that she was the last person to have Caylee in her possession before she handed her child over to someone she “trusted”. If this person kidnapped and then killed Caylee, surely Casey would feel no loyalty to this person, now. The DP looms. She should be singing like a canary.
We know the kidnapper must have been someone other than trusted Zenaida F-G because that gal exists only in a parallel universe. Who could it be? The usual suspects? Jesse, Amy, Rev. Grund, Ricardo, Tony, Kiomarie?
As someone above questioned “What is their motive?” Add, what is their opportunity? Casey plunked Caylee down with most of them. She should have been outing the villain long ago. Would Casey spend any time in jail covering for any of them?
Do you think a sexual predator might have stolen Caylee out of the yard when Casey or other family members were otherwise engaged? Usually, a SOs doesn’t come back to the dumping ground or pontiac to plant evidence implicating their victim’s mom.
Or perhaps Caylee was killed by a Casy-discarded paramour looking to get even over his broken heart or some other intolerable breech of his trust in Casey.
Again, Casey would have named him and told how he happened to take Caylee from her. Of course, Ex-Lover would have had complete access to the house and car. Casey wouldn’t remain quiet about it, if she had a viable candidate. Jail isn’t the Ritz-Carlton.
Did Casey, in her desperation for a sitter, engage a perfect stranger off the street, or in the mall, to look after Caylee? Can this stranger/sitter be traced? Oh, oh. We’re back to Nannygate. That particular nanny scenario might be more problematic than nanny Zenaida taking Caylee to teach a moral lesson to the reprehensible Casey.
Almost any story would have made more sense than disappearing Zanny. How about “I foolishly left my kid sleeping in the car while I shopped at Target. When I came back, she was gone! Oh, woe is me!” If she had reported a story like that right away, it would have made more sense than what she told to date. Of course, had she reported this kind of a story pronto, her love life would suffer and her mommy rep tarnish.
Unfortunately, when Caylee expired, Casey has this pressing engagment with her latest conquest and so made no attemt at a sensible story and remained rather unconcerned about making sense until Lee informed her that the police would want to find Caylee. They would insist Casey take them to where Caylee was stashed. Bother! Shandes of Cindy.
Maybe someone in the family killed Caylee, framed Casey, and Casey is meekly taking the fall. Does she love anyone in her family that much? Does she seem a person of such benevolence and self-sacrifice? To put it midly, she’s a spoiled and dangerously self-absorbed layabout busily engaged since “day 1″ in throwing the next available friend, acquaintance and probably assorted family members under the Casey personal steam roller.
When Lee was questioning Casey in the beginning, before the police arrived, he asked Casey (according to him) “Is this like the other time?” Meaning, I guess, that perhaps Casey has misplaced Caylee under some unusual circumstance before. Lost her before, hmmmm?
Strange that Tracey M. reported Cindy asking if it was possible that Casey “had lost Caylee in the mall”. That remark tells us something about Cindy, red flags and Casey’s rep in the family. NOT DEPENDABLE, at all.
Not trying to be snarky, really. I am merely curious about how you see Casey as victim and if you have worked out any theory to address the fact that from all we have seen, heard, and not heard, Casey is the one who appears to be at the vile center of what happened to Caylee. Enlighten us with your alternate theory, all the same.
“Comment by suz — October 27, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
Debidoll, yes, the rug lit up initially under an alternate light source at the Ant’s house so it got taken away and sent to the fbi, and somewhere in that 1405 page doc the FBI lab says “no evidence of decomp” (presumably after more testing). I don’t have the citation but will look for it later.”
I checked because I didn’t recall that either Debidoll. There were 1405 pages released most recently. It was not there and certainly not on page 1405. I checked all the discovery but page 1405 in totality was earlier than the December documents.
Blink, (#1312)
Everyone has their BS tolerance level. Yours is MUCH higher than mine. Remember that some operate with the old saying. “If you can’t dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your BS.” Keep dazzling us with yout brilliance B.
Just a possible scenario. Do you all think it is plausible that the A’s and Casey’s scheme team are throwing all of this out there, to cause a distraction, because they fear(and rightfully so) prosecution for their perjury, obstruction, and other unconventional tactics to protect a murderer within the dysfunctional family?
#1311_I have to admit, that there was snark in my post. But wasn’t there some in yours? In other words, how stupid can we all be if we think that Casey Anthony is John Gotti-like in terms of being able to pull this whole thing off? Right?
If you come to a site where people are looking at documents, photos and testimony, and you only state a mantra originated by the defense, or alright (benefit of the doubt) your own original perspective; with no reasonable explanation, verifiable facts, or even reasoned speculation or theory, then it’s difficult to take the post seriously.
And if you can’t offer any of the above, other than an opinion, without any basis, then what is the point? Do you believe stating your opinion alone is worthy of everyone packing up their own opinions, based on those few words of yours? Would you prefer that you write your opinion, but we shouldn’t respond, because it differs. If so, I’m cool with that. But it seemed as though you were looking for feedback. If it was too harsh, then apologies. At the same time, you didn’t discount any of my assertions directly.
YOUR QUOTE: “Do I believe her original story?
No …..but I also think there is a reason for it,so i wait until trial.”
If you believe solidly in this ‘reason’, if you want to discuss it, then present it. But it’s disingenuous to act hurt because I told a silly space story, when your entire argument is that she’s not John Gotti . Put a good reasoned argument out, (rather than a sound-bite) and we’ll flesh it out fairly. We could be wrong. We argue amongst ourselves consistently. Sometimes we argue with ourselves.
YOUR QUOTE:”so i wait until trial”
On the other hand, if you want to wait until trial to see what happens, then that is your prerogative. Everyone will have to wait until trial to ultimately see what happens. But it doesn’t mean that we can’t discuss it.
If you don’t want to discuss it though, until the trial, then why post here ?
***Apologies to all posters (in the past & future) who believe that my snark has been dangerous and harmful.
You’d think a teacher would know to proofread before posting. Sorry you didn’t say page 1405, but it’s not in there.
I wonder how fast it would, or will, take the A’s, to finally acknowledge the facts, and their “sell out” nature, once it was solidified that there would be NO MORE funds, licensing fees, trips, crabpuffs, interviews with false suicide notes, etc?! My guess would be, they would crave the limelight so much, they would be “offering” to SELL the real truth story to anyone with a camera and an audience
JJ, scroll down to the timeline on this link. I got it from someone’s post upthread (sorry, I forgot whose).
It’s the best I’ve seen to date:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1
I think the gas can incident happened the way George described except I don’t think he ever got close to her car or her trunk. I don’t believe Casey knew where the keys were to the shed. She had stolen gas before so they locked that shed and hid the keys on her. George made up the part of being near the trunk and being able to see into the trunk to try to back up the story that the car didn’t smell or that Caylee wasn’t in there. Casey realized she had a close call that day. She then started the texts “my car smells bad, must be dead squirrels or my Dad ran over something”. The more she thought about it within those few days later, she decided to leave the car at Amscott until she figured out what else to do. Air sample tests state that the body was in the car approximately 2.6 days. That coincides more with dumping the body within those first few days. IMO I can’t imagine Casey hiding the body in the backyard for a day or two. She would be riddled with worry that her parents would find the body. Look at how worried she was when they found the remains in the woods.
I am really of the opinion that the latest released depos have given the defense team a serious case of the jitters.
Anyone have any idea how far K Belich has gotten in terms of a second look at photo sales?
George and Cynthia Anthony attended the funeral of Somer Thompson. There are a lot of suggestions that I have for them to do in Caylee’s memory, most of which have been posted here. The Caylee Foundation should make an effort to stop children from being murdered. I think that rhe responsibility to protect children is best served by the fathers. Too many people give the fathers a “pass” on their role in parenting. Had Caylee’s father been a part of her life, she would be alive today.
Post 1334 JJ ~ the new updated timeline has moved from the Above Top Secret site to Valhall’s new site.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/timeline.html
I believe KC’s statement to Tracy was:
“they have not even found the clothes she was wearing.”
Slightly different spin on things esp in light of the Globe photo above.
Plz someone correct me if I “mis-remembered” that (cousin to “mis-truth? what is a mis-truth anyway?)
Also, fwiw, I looked on the view-source-code for the Enquirer image on their website and it was listed
“id>photo credit” with nothing listed after that.
first timer here-love this place gotta finally chime in- concern Casey behaving in a real mom behavior=ever…she was totally disconnected with Caylee.Just the sheer volume of cell phone calls and texts alone in 1 day tells us Caylee wasn’t getting any real mommy time …