Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Roy Kronk Fired For Undisclosed Reasons- Updated
Orlando, FL- Roy Kronk, the infamous meter reader who after three attempts finally located the remains of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony, has been fired from his position as a County employee today.
Kronk failed to show up for a pre-determination hearing for the first step of an undisclosed disciplinary proceeding according to Orange County Utilities.
“Roy Kronk was scheduled to attend a pre-determination hearing yesterday to address issues pertaining to his employment with the County. He failed to show for the hearing, and a decision has been issued terminating his employment effective immediately,” the county wrote Kronk’s lawyer. “Therefore, the County shall not pay any legal fees associated with representing Mr. Kronk that are incurred from this point forward.”
Update#1 I received this email from David Evans, Roy Kronk’s Attorney.
I have received a number of inquiries today regarding the decision by Orange County Utilities to terminate Roy Kronk’s employment yesterday. I am furnishing this statement on Mr. Kronk’s behalf. Mr. Kronk is the Orange County Utilities worker who found the remains of Caylee Anthony.
The termination of Mr. Kronk relates to a difference of opinion between Mr. Kronk and Orange County regarding a workplace injury sustained by Mr. Kronk in the course of his job duties at an Orange County Utilities warehouse. This dispute arose because Mr. Kronk’s management directed him to resume work duties after his injury, and Mr. Kronk and his health care providers did not consider it to be safe or medically appropriate to resume those duties at this time.
Mr. Kronk is evaluating his legal options relating to his termination. In the meantime, Mr. Kronk is volunteering his time to a veteran’s group in Osceola County–he is providing counseling to military veterans to help ease their adjustment to civilian life.
David Evans
Update #2
Roy Kronk injured his kneck and shoulder while lifting boxes in the Utilities warehouse.
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And Ms Blink (comment 27 I think) a 300 lb elephand would be a very small one, possibly a newborn but would still command attention upon entering any room I think!
One more thing and I am done, I am sorry for monopolizing the thread but it always seems that I get to the playground after all the other kiddies have gone home.
Tell me please how some are so convinced that Cindy knew her Grandaughter was in those woods and just left her there? I do not profess to “know” Cindy Anthony but as a woman I can tell you that no kin of mine would ever be mouldering in the woods with my direct knowledge of that fact. I would have been down there as soon as I had any inkeling that there might be that possibility. Do you really think that is true? If so then I am betting on suicide for Cindy after this is over because how do you live with that?
# 152 Karen
I put little past Cindy in the defense of her realm. Lady MacBeth of Hopespring Drive. She evokes both pity and fear.
Heres the way I see it………
The media really played it up that Roy Kronk called 3 times trying to get LE out to Surburban Dr. Well that is not quite the way it happened. Once you read the transcripts of the 911 calls. You see a different story. Probably one that should be written.
The first time he calls Aug 11 to report what he saw, he immediately identified himself as a meter reader. He said he called the non-emergency number but he did get 911 operator. He did know that it was on Suburban where he saw something but he appeared to be guessing at the name of this road. . He did not know the name of the Anthony’s street or the name of the School where he read the meter. He had to pull up his GPS at that time to figure out what to tell the operator as to the location,. I guess between Kronk and the operator (who I thought was quite patient) finally figured out where Suburban was. Beyond that Kronk’s directions and location of where he saw said items was Very SAD Anyone following up on this tip would be highly confused as to where to look on Suburban let alone what to look for. He did manage to get in the fact that his place of employment/headquarters was on Curry Ford Rd. He also said twice in so many words that it was “probably nothing.” Of course the infamous snake was mentioned.
He did not leave a phone number with this call.
Now above is the first call. Here’s this guy calling in a tip like this, (A former Bounty Hunter) it is important is it not?. He didn’t call from the scene as we know (didn’t want to get teased) he waited until I guess he got home. He has had plenty of time to think about it and to figure out good “intelligent” exact directions as to where to look on Suburban. If I was to follow up on this tip on this day I think I would look in some swampy area by the school. There is absolutely NO WAY you would even come close to finding what Kronk saw from this phone call. I mean the man didn’t even try. (Kronk would have had to been there pointing the way)
Call Two Aug 12 10:27 PM
He gets the Sheriff office this time. “I am Roy Kronk “ “I am a meter reader with Orange County.” I only write this here because in this call he didn’t want to call the tips line because he wanted to remain anonymous. Gives phone number , spells name. Ahh !!! OK So far I am not getting the anonymous part.
Anyway the reason for this call in my mind was to FIND OUT what if anything happened in relation to his call on Aug 11. But he really didn’t wait for an answer, he just proceeded to tell the operator about his previous call and what he saw. I think the operator thought he was calling in a tip or another tip and said the call would be (Sent UP) Kronk had some of the street names down by this time but still had not bothered to look up the Name of the School which is if you listen to his directions or lack thereof, By the School IS WHERE OR NEAR WHERE ONE WOULD LOOK. So I don’t see that he was calling his tip in again because he couldn’t get anyone out there he was calling this time to see who had been out there and if anything was found. He never got an answer but was told to call the Tips Line so LE can coordinate all tips.
In the meantime…… Aug 12 in the evening……Officer Smiley (cant remember her name ..sorry) Calls Kronk at home because She is on Suburban Dr. following up on Kronk’s tip but she is CONFUSED as to where to look. She tells him that it may be easier to find the location if he would meet an officer on site. Kronk agrees and so the next day after he finished work he went to Suburban Dr. and called again and asked for an officer to meet him their.OH Yea he now knows the name of the school. He reached OCSO told them who he was and that he was there on Suburban and they sent OFFICER CAIN, OH DEAR
Anyway , the way the media played it over and over and over again you would think that the man was just doing his damndest to get law enforcement out there and they were not responding and they would have found Caylee way before December and on and on. Then Cain came on the scene and that just added injury to insult and made LE look even worse. Kronk tells LE in Jan 9 statement that he was 100% sure that it was a human skull that he saw in August but his feelings were hurt you see, (Snark alert) so he put it on back burner for a while(FOUR FRICKING MONTHS) cause he has a busy life. But not to worry, he didn’t tell anyone NOT A SOUL about what he saw in the interim (EXCEPT HIS GIRL FRIEND)
Kronk wasn’t so sure what he saw in his first 911 call. I didn’t get 100% at all. I doubt that Officer Cain got that impression either. Snake or no snake. The man never bothered to acknowledged that an Officer called him at home to follow up on his tip nor did he ever acknowledge that both aug 11, and 12th tips/calls were followed up on by LE. He told LE that he practically gave longitude and latitude as to wear Caylee was. I CHOKED ON THAT ONE. How come he wasn’t afraid of the snake on December 11? He even took anther pee.
How come he never told his comrades he called LE? Not once. He also stated in one call the snake had blood dripping out of its mouth, where the other 2 said they had no clue how the snake bought the farm?
B
O.K., now I have just graduated from Naive Idiocy University. #148 Shelley: George went down alone to LE and gave up everything he knew? Please forgive me, but what did he offer up in the way of information?
I hate to butt in……but I am looking at the evidence photos and came across the photo of the heart shaped ring. I have not seen or heard anything about that….guess I missed it. Thanks for any help offered!
re: 140 – Hey Susan M……ROLL TIDE ROLL! LOL
I have too many questions….I know you guys have discussed the latest evidence photos released, can someone give me a link…please..
#155 Todd
I beleive if you listen to this interview where George plays compadre with the LE he states in the first 3 mins of a 75 min visit that he had bad vibes from the time he picked up the car. He goes on in that 3 minute time period of asking for water and chit chatting to say he does not want to believe that he could raise anyone who would do that….He goes on to say that the way he looks at it is if he lost his granddaughter he lost his daughter too……
He later at around 24 minutes talks about the smell that…. once smelled can never be forgotten…..
I don’t have time to go furthur searching tonite or listening but will.
He goes on to tell the detectives he trys to shut Cindy up, even to the point of putting his hand over her mouth and that just makes her madder.
Sometimes it helps to go back to the beginning and listen and you will hear some truths coming from the Anthony’s way back in the beginning….Although George is fishing in this talk with LE to try to figure out exactly what they do know…he still spills his guts…and his guts said the smell of death in that truck was one that he’d never forget….This statement from a former detective.
Bet Maura can explain it better than me…:)
OOPS sorry …link
http://www.wftv.com/video/17934383/index.html
Kleat off the top of your head (lol) how many lies in George’s stories can you think of before you get a headache? Smiles….
i think Kronk was fully aware at this point by the media coverage and wated no part of it, he saw the A’s and all their drama outside their house maybe he just didnt want to the same, O find no fault unless it comes otin court that he did fault …IMO
Shelly, leave it to you to come up with the impossible calculation!!!
David Dean said he and Kronk pulled up under a shade tree and were talking and Chris pulled up. Kronk went to relieve himself at the wood line. David and Chris never lost sight of him. Kronk said he saw a bag and proceeded to walk about 40 feet west at which point Kronk said he saw a skull or he thought he did or something like that. David didn’t know if he was kidding but wanted to see what he saw and started to walk towards Kronk and that is when he encountered the DEAD rattlesnake and it startled him and he let out a little yell. The snake was not far from the street but on the grass. Kronk came back to where the snake was found.
At that point I would bet that Kronk’s brain was kicking in and he was glad for the distraction of the snake because he was probably thinking about the reward. I would bet that he was sorry he ever said anything out loud. I am sure this is why Kronk waited to call LE. It had nothing to do with any goading by the guys. I would also bet that is why Kronk never told any of his co workers that he called crimeline about what he saw.
At any rate all the attention went to the snake and Dean said the bag or the skull was never brought up again. Dean put the snake in the trunk and they proceeded to talk/ eat their lunch and went back to headquarters. Dean said there was no kidding of Kronk back at headquarters about a bag or skull all attention was on the snake. Dean also said that it was HIS theory about Suburban being a good spot to place a body for all the right reasons etc. This made sense to me because Dean knew the area and Kronk had never been there before. Dean thought it was strange that the area looked undisturbed, not searched. Dean also said the area was dry which tells me he never really got close to the wood line to see water or how deep the drop off really was. At any rate Dean and Chris NEVER went to look. As far as Chris was concerned he hardly remembered the day.
I would also bet that in December Kronk thought the reward was still on the table. I am glad he found Caylee but I still would have like to see his face when he found out different. I know my bad but he just rubbed me the wrong way.
Here’s the thing though SuzB- that reward was NEVER for her recovery, it was for info for her whereabouts and safe return, iirc.
Did he know that? Can’t say.
B
I’ve never viewed Kronk, Padilla, or many of the other people associated with this case as heroes. So I have not come to a point of disillusionment. I don’t look at the prosecution as ‘hero’ either (they are doing a job).
Whether or not Kronk is a slimy character with greed as motivation to find Caylee’s remains, I don’t know. I really don’t care. Yes, it does make him a trickier witness. But let’s face it, even if he was, for the most part, a pretty stand up guy (and he may be), don’t you think that the defense would be making hay out of him anyway, since he found the remains, and there was an apparent goof-up? People aren’t one dimensional. Heroes aren’t all clean with perfect characters and villains aren’t the devil incarnate. So there is usually some sort of weakness & asset that can be uncovered for any person.
My concern would be heightened if there was conclusive evidence that he was tipped off by someone in the know. Who that someone ‘in the know’ was could alter the case greatly,(if they even exist). Was it someone that was part of the Anthony group or learned this info through a pipeline from the Anthony group? Or could it have come from some stranger connected to Zanny?
Other than that, does it really matter? I’m not being facetious, or snarky, just looking for opinions. Maybe Silver will show up and take a stab.
I completely share your viewpoint. The reality is, we may never know, but that does not matter, what it comes down to, is whether or not the defense does. That “hay” though, imo, will be for not, as I believe this case will boil down to forensic experts. Anthropologists and Entymologists from both camps will battle this one out in the end, imo.
B
#164 Westside
You are absolutely right when it comes down to it, it does not matter. There are many things we may never know. Hopefully the true facts will prevail in the end.
Thanks for adding your opinions Blink & SuzeeB.
As a tag on to my last post, in my opinion, it seems as though Kronk probably had a meltdown. Perhaps when he entered into this determination to find the remains, he envisioned an easy-breezy time, collecting a reward, going on TV- receiving money for his story, and looking like a hero. Or maybe it was just driving him nuts that Caylee wasn’t found, like the vast majority of people following the case, and he had the proximity on his side to do something about it.
Then he is placed under a microscope; tales emerge of him being a deadbeat dad, owing the ex-wife, looking like a dog. Then having to withstand scrutiny from the press, the defense, probably his peers and the media. Not everyone is ‘tough as nails’ like Cindy Anthony. The guy goes on disability, never returns and then never goes to the hearing (at his own risk). In a way, he went AWOL. That sounds to me like a person that had a bit of a break down. Retreating away from pressure. I think he got WAY more than he bargained for regardless of his motivation.
Linda Drane-Burdick won a conviction yesterday. See Video
http://www.wesh.com/news/21476544/detail.html
In regards to GA and his lies specifically. He is the only one who gave one iota of truth in his “secret” interviews with LE. How can he think he can go back on that now. As he said on Larry King “He didn’t realize that pizza could smell that bad” after Larry asked him why he changed his mind on the decomp smell.
Geez, its on tape and he probably testified to the same effect before the GJ. How can he go on knowing he will be outed?
What has CIndy got over his head that made him go over to the dark side?
I hope everyone had a happy Halloween! Seemed like the whole neighborhood showed up here to go with my kids so they had a great time. We must have the best trick or treatin around cuz I was even given a free beer!!
I was thinking this morning about that Aug. 14 video, and realized that Cindy also had a look of horror on in her eyes when she was covering her mouth. Finally understanding what her daughter did. Besides the horrible grief, sorrow, hollow feelings that we hitting her all at the same time when Caylee never came home for her B-day.
Westsidehudson, you don’t know me but if you did, you would know I need facts and not mere speculation. Ask Blink, and she will confirm that I try to make sure what I post is correct, factual and can be backed up with official documents, proof that I can read myself and I also have a “source” in this case that I trust…as a matter of fact, I trust him and what he tells me with my life. If you Google this one sentence for a search –
Kronk said but I failed to tell them everything about the case that I know so I don’t get into trouble… promised Lee Anthony I would keep him out of it
Check out how many websites there are –
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&q=Kronk+But+I+failed+to+tell+them+everything+about+the+case+that+I+know+so+I+don%E2%80%99t+get+into+trouble.I+promised+Lee+Anthony+I+would+keep+him+out+of+it&btnG=Search&aq=o&oq=&aqi=
I only post here at Blink’s but read other sites that I like, especially Scared Monkeys. I just feel like the brainpower, common sense level, different expertise of posters, legal and investigative skills of the posters at Blink’s make a difference in the cases she and her team take on. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt Blink has helped LE and because of that I want to help her. I also know that she has confidences she cannot break, will not break…EVER. She’s not after fame, she is after justice and so am I. I promise that there are a lot of “things” I want to put on here but I can’t…and never will because I don’t want to be credited with anything but helping research out the truth and facts. So I may give some info to Blink and her team can verify it, we might have new evidence. I guess there is so much we will not know, unless we go to trial. Actively trying to find the missing link that would corroborate the evidence is ongoing as I type this.
The original interview that is posted at WKMG -
http://www.clickorlando.com/index.html
has appeared in dozens of other forums, blogs, sites and I have read it hundreds of time. It does appear that the part about Lee has been deleted but it was there at one time. The link I gave you for Scared Monkeys -
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/15/meter-reader-roy-kronk-defends-himself-psychics-take-credit-orange-county-deputy-richard-cain-under-investigation-keep-your-eye-on-the-ball-and-casey-anthony
post 73 by Joe – was exactly in quotes the way I read it before. However, now those quotes are not on WKMG, yet they are on many, many blogs. So, I apologize if I have offended Blink, you or anyone else…God knows that was not my intention. I should have been more aware of an original link by news.
Leonard Padilla has an insight to things that many don’t have. You can take him or leave him but he’s a kind soul. He believes in his “daisy chain” theory which as you probably know, as to the location….Casey told Lee… who told Roy who……who knows. I hope we find out.
I believe on August 14, George, Cindy and Lee all knew for sure Caylee was gone. That is my belief, and I believe Lee received immunity for something he told “someone” or “asked” someone and when the SA deposes Roy Kronk in November, when or if that deposition is released before trial, it will be very interesting. As will Mallory’s. I just don’t believe Kronk’s story as he tells it. It doesn’t matter in the big picture like you said…unless….
For me, as I have stated before, I can barely wait for the Anthropology and Entomology reports; that is where I will be able to contribute more to discussion here, as it is science and that is my field of choice. I do believe there are heroes in this sad story and they are the CSIs, LE and scientist who are working so hard for justice to prevail. I will say John Allen and Yuri Melich are very special in my book. While we focus on Caylee, time has not stood still for these men (and women) who have new cases come up every single day.
In the end, just as you said,
“My concern would be heightened if there was conclusive evidence that he was tipped off by someone in the know. Who that someone ‘in the know’ was could alter the case greatly, (if they even exist). Was it someone that was part of the Anthony group or learned this info through a pipeline from the Anthony group? Or could it have come from some stranger connected to Zanny? Other than that, does it really matter?”
No it doesn’t matter…since Caylee was found….I wish it had been sooner and that is what breaks my heart. I believe she could have, should have and would have been found earlier, if not for malevolent dishonesty and deception.
Read back up at what Silver did say when she chimed in….
PP- You are a true Caylee advocate and I value your contribution immensely. I feel the same way about WSH and several posters here who have been here from the beginning, and will continue to stand for Caylee.
As you pointed out, the “minds” here, cannot read others and as you and I know from professional experience, we take NOTHING at face value in this case. I feel WSH was legitimately asking a souce, and not suspect, but even if she were, I would respect it because there are plenty of posers out there or people with ill intentions and I get my share of that daily.
I just dont want anyone to feel defensive, or have anyone concerned about being defensive because it could thwart the dialog. We all have our niche so to speak, and I do look forward to your input on the entymology, it’s your “thang”.
Perhaps this response from me was unecessary, If it was realize I am cooking the Sunday family meal and am just feeling peace and love for a few hours before I have to go back to “other.” Might be a good idea for everyone to take a break, I do feel the next week is pivotal in this case.
My sincerest affection and respect for all of you-
B
#170_ProvokingPoirot
I was never offended PP, nor was I calling you on the carpet, or thinking that you had a questionable character, not in the least. It was just such a shocking quote that I wanted to read it for myself, but couldn’t find it , other than in comment sections. I didn’t remember hearing it before, and to me, it would have been quite a revelation.
I’m very curious why it no longer appears on WKMG (if it did), and in fact there is an entirely different quote in it’s place now. Maybe there was a response from Lee’s lawyer to the station, or the police asked that it be removed. I just couldn’t find it as a quote in a news source. Maybe it was never in the news bit at all, but was carried forward by urban lore. Perhaps the google search links to all of those sights because someone was posting the same thing all over, and since then the comment has been removed from some. I guess I won’t know until trial, if ever.
Post # 135.Thank you for helping me get my voice here. The comments made to my original post #33 an then #128, lead me to believe that I had re-read Kronk’s interview in error. The link you posted is the sameI had re-read last week..plus the orignal voice to scrip 911 calls. The man clearly states he was calling a non-emergency 911 call..but was redirected to the 911 operator,,,for me he did the right thing..not like those how find it an emergency,to call 911 because they are out of Chicken McNugget’s.IMO, his believed possible find, did not fall into a 911 call. His actions were correct.
#170..so what is your book? You write so well, I am drawn in..Like Ann Rule.
Per my post #172..it should say post #130 and not #128
I am not sure I understand this comment, what did I miss?
B
ProvokingPoirot, Hello
Hope you had a nice Halloween and are enjoying your Sunday.
ProvokingPoirot, some of the comments of your last post (#170) have me a tad baffled, and rather than speculate, I wonder and would most appreciate if you wouldn’t mind clarifying somewhat.
Another Blink poster commented here about reading earlier comments posted by yourself here, on another site. The other site did not attribute the comments. ProvokingPoirot, you are a self-described factual poster, and as a fellow Blink poster and www.’r, if you wouldn’t mind clarifying the duality postings. Thank you.
#154..I think Kronk’s girlfriend had Cancer…reason for waiting four months??? They lived together,I am pretty sure he cared about her!
BLINK, there is a link in my post for some reason, please delete.
Am remote- will do later, wpg.
B
#170 ProvokingPoirot
I looked and looked for that comment from Kronk. I can not find it anywhere either. That would be HUGE comment to make about Lee Anthony. Maybe it was removed as you say. I dont know. But in the process of looking for it and reviewing videos of Good Morning America and Kronks first press conference and others again I get the inference that Kronk “The Hero” called 3 times to law enforcement to get them out there. Anybody not familiar with this case and who under normal circumstances (if not for Florida Sunshine Laws) would not have access to statements or 911 calls or anyone who would not bother to look at these would think that LE was totally disinterested in his calls, when in fact that is not what happened at all or the way it happened. I am not saying that LE is perfect (CAIN for example) but they did follow up on the calls as best as they could considering Kronks directions which were atrocious.
KRONK had to be on site in order for anyone to even get close to where Caylees remains were. Even then when Kronk was there He really didn’t press the issue IF HE WAS SO SURE. It just makes me so mad because LE cant or wont defend themselves over this issue and the media has not looked into the details of what happened and reported it from a balance point of view as usual.
WHY OH WHY HASNT THE MEDIA CHALLENGED THESE CALLS OR AT LEAST TRIED TO EXPLAIN THEM IN SOME FASHION. TALK ABOUT SPIN…I am sure the defense loves it.
BTW What is it with these videos on You Tube or anywhere else. Are they only good for 30 days or something? What do they do automatically self destruct over time?
oh, –reading George’s interview from above thread. Got to a question asked of him about the freezer in the garage, it’s capacity and what they usually had in there. (page 300)
Tony said in his interview that he picked up Casey because she ran out of gas. She was holding frozen food, popsicles, etc. that he thought came from her parents home.
I will find a link after I throw up.
oh god, did she need to take them out so she could place Caylee in there!–then get rid of the food so her parents wouldn’t be suspicious.
oh God I don’t even want to think about that.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
page 23—-freezer pops
Someone smart–maybe it was Maura–I remember detail, –threads ago, was discussing a difference in speculated decomposition rate based on the temperatures in Orlando during that time period x trunk heat, indicating that perhaps she was for a time in the freezer-altering that rate.
Sorry, just taking me all this time to catch up.
I really admire those detectives–they are really slick in their questioning style. George didn’t even know what they were collecting from him.
I would have given it up long ago to be sure!
#173 Debidoll129 – I am sorry, I need clarification.
#174 wpgmouse – I don’t know have a clue what you are talking about.
What is it you want me to clairfy. What BOOK?
wpgmouse, I have NEVER posted on any other site as ProvokingPoirot. Never. What other Blink poster? It is not true if someone said they have ever read anything posted anywhere by ProvokingPoirot. I simply do not understand your comment…
“ProvokingPoirot, you are a self-described factual poster, and as a fellow Blink poster, if you wouldn’t mind clarifying the duality postings. Thank you.”
Blink, you have my email, could you tell me what is going on because I am clueless.
PP- I am not clear myself. I did not understand Debidoll book reference and posted so-
Wpg, I was not clear on yours either, but I think your seeing similar posts?
Let me say this, PP has been personally vetted by me. If she were so inclined to write a book, she could, about many things. I dont think Caylee would be on her radar, although she is fluent in her case.
She is stating her opinion based on things she believes she has seen or she has seen. I cant verify something deleted usually before it hits the way back, or other.
General Comment: If someone posts something that can’t be proven, use your judgement on it’s acceptance, ask for clarification succinctly and politely, as WPG and WSH did, if you wish, but do not question someones motives if your not willing to be called out on your own, which is not the purpose.
B
If this has already been addressed, my apologies. I was just recalling the first jail calls where Casey is already in full denial mode, and she asks whomever was on the other end of that call to get her Tony’s number, in her words, “Tell me what Tony’s number is……..because he’s my boyfriend, and I haven’t talked to him all day”, or something to that effect. Do you all think her deceit mode was already in full swing and she needed to get to as many people on the outside to profess her innocence, before LE tracked them all down and questioned them? She knew if she didn’t reach all her contacts first in an attempt to sway them first, her denial would have less of an impact if she were the one to spin a story to everyone first?
re (snipped from ProvokingPoirot #181):
“#174 wpgmouse – I don’t know have a clue what you are talking about.”
“wpgmouse, I have NEVER posted on any other site as ProvokingPoirot. Never. What other Blink poster? It is not true if someone said they have ever read anything posted anywhere by ProvokingPoirot. I simply do not understand your comment…”
ProvokingPoirot,
Allow me to explain.
Post(er)#31 comments that your post #26 is verbatim from another post from another site, and naturally asks for clarification from Blink regarding this plus Blink’s response to you. Post #31 also included the link to where she was referencing.
Blink responds (snipped): “Woops, that is my fault, I think I cut off PP link when I responded.”
Okay, fair enough, but I too was confused, in that I did not see any comments in your post #26 indicating that you were about to quote directly from another site-source. Your first paragraph just flowed right into the remaining paragraphs, which came from a posted article in February from another site, as per the link supplied by #31.
To Blink’s response, comes #37 (snipped)
“Blink: Much appreciative of your response and clarification. I was confused, because PP’s last sentence was: “However, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right?” and in actuality, from the rosespeaks link, the sentence read: “However, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right, but we don’t like the way Casey Anthony looks or how she acts so will we convict her?”
You then reply to post #31, (snipped from post #48):
“Whether I left the link off, I try to remember to always add links but am human, or whether it was cut off by Blink accidently…I stand by my post which did indeed, though not word for word and in fact not even on the subject of the orginal article, comes from http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/tag/roy-kronk/”
ProvokingPoirot, I became even more confused at this point because I did go on to read the linked article, and your last 3 paragraphs of your 4-paragraph post here, are “word for word” from the other site’s article. True, that the subject of the article was not the same, but that does not negate the fact that you used same-sequenced parts of that article verbatim in your post here, except for the very last line (as noticed post #31) which has its original half-end removed.
Today, ProvokingPoirot, you make these disclosures and statements in your post #170, (snipped):
“Westsidehudson, you don’t know me but if you did, you would know I need facts and not mere speculation. Ask Blink, and she will confirm that I try to make sure what I post is correct, factual and can be backed up with official documents, proof that I can read myself and I also have a “source” in this case that I trust…as a matter of fact, I trust him and what he tells me with my life.”
“I only post here at Blink’s but read other sites that I like, especially Scared Monkeys.”
Now, with your most recent response, you say this:
“wpgmouse, I have NEVER posted on any other site as ProvokingPoirot. Never. What other Blink poster? It is not true if someone said they have ever read anything posted anywhere by ProvokingPoirot. I simply do not understand your comment…”
ProvokingPoirot, again respectfully, no where, in this particular Blink thread, have you ever previously said “as ProvokingPoirot” or “by ProvokingPoirot”.
I do not care if you post elsewhere or write articles with the name ProvokingPoirot or any other name. Good for you, I say.
However, unless you actually previously responded here with clarity, which you did not, I am left to “speculate”, and “mere speculation” is something that you have made known you are not in “need” of. Therefore, speculation could lead one to believe that unless you are the original author of the other site’s article, or the owner of the other site, then parts of an article were possibly copied without attribution of any kind, and in direct violation of the other sites clearly stated copyright and reproduction rights. Even if a link was posted or not posted, you still maintain the position of “not word for word” which is completely opposite to what the linked site factually shows. Jeepers.
I do not feel your response to me is a fair one, ProvokingPoirot. You say you are about facts and correctness, but IMO, a response with semantics involving your posting name here, at this point in time after all previous dialogue, is, well, confusing and now a little troubling.
ProvokingPoirot, please realize I requested clarification from you, and not Blink, because they are your posts. Hopefully, I have given you a clearer understanding of the growing confusion and my subsequent request. Thank you.
Todd in Tulsa – I’ll tell you what I think is strange about asking for Tony’s number in that phone call ….. is that she didn’t know the number by heart!!!! Every girl knows her boyfriends number by heart within a very, very short period of time. Always found that weird that she asked her mother to put Lee on the phone to get Tony’s phone number. Still bothers me to this day!
# 181 Sorry..I took your remark, ” they are very special in my book”, as a real book..I guess because your writing is well done.I believed you to have written a book.(:
Lol, now that is the epitome of why web based commentary will never take the place of a face to face conversation.
Under that very simple observation, a perfectly legitimate question.
B
“According to a lawyer for Roy Kronk, he had requested to be transferred even before finding Anthony’s remains in a wooded area in December.”
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18623582/detail.html
Todd, either that or she was just so fixated in TonE that she was in withdrawal after not seeing him for a day. I am sure she felt the need to sway his opinion most of all. She didn’t seem all that concerned with what her parents, her brother, or her friend Christina (who they put on the phone to try to talk some sense into her) thought about her. She gave such a half a$$ed explanation that she was getting vitimized by those awful police for something she would never do, but it was all about her not her missing daughter. I don’t know how anyone who heard her make that phone call didn’t know immediately that Caylee was not coming back. I’m guessing that she was thinking along th lines of, “Oh, $hit, TonE is going to think I did this and dump me, then it will have all been for nothing! OMG, Huge waste!!!”.
Compare & Contrast:
You have a woman that never calls police when her child is ‘missing’. She goes on with her life as if nothing had happened. She lies to everyone about the location of the child. She never answers questions, nor cooperates with police ever again, after her arrest.
You have a man that is persistent in calling to police to come to a location where he believes the remains to be located.
You have a PI (hired by the woman) who goes near the scene where the remains are eventually located, prods around and returns again, yet never informs police of this activity.
You have a sighting of a ‘live’ look-a-like of the missing child, and the ‘sighter’ photographs the child, but doesn’t call police to the scene. The photograph is then published days later by the family of the woman, (not immediately). Remember, these are people that received so much media devotion to their story, that if they had called ANY station, this image could have been on TV the first day, within minutes of it being discovered.
Who looks worse?
Another thought on my last post….
When Kronk’s discovery isn’t located by police, through a comedy of errors and perhaps some police attitude, he NEVER called the media directly about his discovery. He persisted with contacting police.
Good morning,
For some reason, Curry Ford Rd. keeps popping-up in this case. I just can’t put the connection together. I do not live in the area. Maybe, it is as simple as, Curry Ford Rd. is a busy road.
1. Roy Kronks employment headquarters are on Curry Ford Rd.
2. Casey Spent a unexplained 1-1/2 hrs on Curry Ford Rd. see Blinks article.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/08/07/cayleecasey-anthony-case-bombshell-proof-george-anthony-lied/
3. Here is a post written by the ever so factual Maura. Maura, I love
reading your posts. (this is only a portion of the post. I have the entire post saved if anyone wants to read. It is very long.)
Tuesday, June 3: Cindy was on vacation, but Casey was apparently in the house except for two hours in the late afternoon. Casey’s cell records show she used her cell phone 177 times between 8:26am and 4:18pm, pinging Anthony towers. She received no calls from Cindy, so she was probably home.
From 4:52pm to 5:17pm, she pinged JP towers.
She left JP’s for the Anthony home, but she took her time. The trip normally takes 20 minutes, and Casey took a leisurely 56 minutes. From 5:17pm to 5:25pm, she was around South Crystal Lake Drive and Curry Ford Road. From 5:30pm to 5:52pm, she was around Lake Mary Drive. From 5:59pm to 6:10pm, she was around Hoffner Avenue. At 6:13pm, she was back at the Anthony house.
Anyone elses thoughts.
Good day!
I think you have to match this up from her phone records from this day, would give a better snapshot potentially. We know where she was pinging from, but how do the actual numbers dialed or texts fit?
B
kp-in:
Curry Ford is the main drag. It connects at one end (where her cell phone pinged) and at the other end (Where I live). The club Fusion she frequented is up this way as is UCF. While there are other ways of getting to those locations, many people use this road because of the few traffic lights (as opposed to Colonial Dr aka rt 50) The closest intersection to the Hopespring address is Chickasaw and Curry Ford. It’s just an easy way to get places.
How close is this to The Fountains at Waterord Lakes?
B
wpgmouse & ProvokingPoirot
I went back & read # 48. It seems to me that PP is admitting copying the text off that site, because it is something that PP” believes”.
QUOTE: “What I was intending to do was say these are exactly my feelings about Roy Kronk and they are”
I think the problem, as you stated was that PP did not attribute credit to the site for the commentary, but rather posted the opinion as PP’s own original opinion. Or as you said, maybe PP is “Rose speaks” and it was PP’s original thought?
I am curious now to ask ProvokingPoirot, if that statement regarding Lee was not part of a news piece (I can’t find any), could you possibly have gotten, or did you get, that quote from your “source” instead?
I am very confused here.
Blink, to your remark about this week possibly being pivotal in the case, what comes to mind is the pending decision by Judge Strickland regarding the decision of whether the state should be allowed to depose PI Casey with the proported privilege for ‘all three adults’. (There Ms. Tennis goes again, speaking in generalities– Judge Rodriguez called her on that when she confused the issue of which ‘their lawyer’ she was referring to. (we know the Anthony’s had a minimum of THREE (3) lawyers working for them regarding the missing Caylee)
Is this what you are referring to? Seems critical. (Will Judge Strickland take PI Casey at his lawyer’s word as Judge Rodriguez was about to do, until Casey himself took the stand and was discovered to blatantly lie).
Yes, but I also expect to see some motions from the defense re the “Bug reports”.
B
Something stinks about the Anthony’s going to their lawyer with Casey to make sure they got custody of the baby should anything happen to Casey. That lawyer asked about the father– what did the Anthony clan tell him?
First, the baby had a mother and that mother had custody of her baby. Period. That mother wishes to make a will for herself, then what business is it of a lawyer to have the parents of that adult child in the room while this document is being discussed, prepared, signed by the mother? And then the same lawyer prepares a document to give custody to Cindy and George Anthony if something should happen to Casey?
This needs to be separated out– how can the grandparents of the baby, take it’s mother to their lawyer, and have a document such as a Will or alternate custody document of some sort separate from Casey’s Will, be drawn out for the mother who is brought in by his clients?
Maybe the lawyer was Casey’s lawyer also, but there must be some ability for a lawyer to separate clients for such matters, so that each has confidentiality with the lawyer from each other, in the case of Will preparation or some representation agreement regarding Casey’s wishes for her daughter.
IF Casey wished to void that agreement/arrangment that SHE, as mother had made, sometime down the line, the Anthony clients of the lawyer would be right in there before Casey knew what was happening. Casey may have gone to another lawyer, but still how does she act as an adult on behalf of her own child’s interests, with those Grandparents needing ‘control’?
George left the home/Cindy for a period of time right after the baby’s birth, because of ‘gambling’ or the internet email scam– right. But in his state depo, he suggests that he was told he could leave by Cindy, that the girls stayed with her regardless of his decision. IF this is a bit of truth coming out from George, then I want to know if George left BEFORE or AFTER the ‘Will’ or representation agreement for Casey or whatever document the Anthony’s lawyer prepared for Casey to sign.
George already had a grown family, did he want another baby to bring up ‘before’ she was born and came into his life?
Was the ‘agreement’ that Casey would give control and custody of Caylee done first with only Cindy on board? Only include George once he came back into the home? (or only allowed back into the home if he signed?).
So many questions– George had little choice but to sign on to the custody arrangement if this was Cindy’s idea, if for the good of the baby he felt dedicated, or for his own needs to be part of the marriage/family.
Casey had no choice but to let her parents have Caylee once the baby was grown, UNLESS she could find a partner/husband, get married and start her own life. (no question that the baby would have to be adopted by the father– she would just say ‘it is yours’– that’s what she did to Jesse).
That failed, Cindy didn’t like Jesse, George didn’t like Jesse particularly.
What could Casey do? How could she, or any young mother in her position, make her own decisions about her life and do what she felt was best for her coming baby or newborn, if that was to take the adoption route? She was stuck– her mother had her baby lock, stock and custody agreement. Casey could not even search out the father for help unless she crossed her mother in doing so. How could Casey marry anyone who was not the baby’s biological father, without having legal problems to do so? Surely she knew it would be war with her mother to try to give the baby up, or marry and have her husband adopt the child.
I think the parents actions to get the baby for their own, will be a key and what role Casey had, as client of the lawyer that drew up the agreement(s), Will. (remember Cindy did not think far enough ahead to draw up her own new will with provision for the child’s custody– said to FBI SB in her interview– that they (the Anthony’s) prolly didn’t think that far ahead).
Q: Was Caylee baptized? If so, were their God parents named?
AND, did any ‘agreement’ provide assurances that the grandparents would be in a position to adopt Caylee? This could NOT have been an adoption arrangment in and of itself, could it? It would only be an interim care provider for Caylee? Or in Florida, can anyone just adopt someone’s child with the parent’s say so, no government role at all to provide a voice on behalf of the child?
From a google search that resulted in the statement attributed to Kronk about “keeping Lee out of it” (encased by ampersands). I noticed other dubious quotes attributed to Kronk such as: “Also with hiring the best attorney that money can buy, any good attorney can get you off of anything like my attorney did in South Carloina”. Who would say something like this to the media?? There are no links given to verify these statements. Maybe this David is the one that
started the rumor of these Lee quotes?
http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/caylee-anthony-roy-kronk-previously-arrested-for-kidnapping/
David Says:
February 8, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Man Who Found Caylee’s Remains-Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge.
Man Who Found Caylee’s Remains Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge in South Carolina!
The Meter Reader who found little Caylee Anthony remains is likely to have a Network TV Interview to clear suspicions, that he had any thing to do with the Caylee Anthony death-murder.
Roy Kronk who is the Orange County utility worker, who called in three reports about a suspicious bag…and who in fact on December11Th, 2008, discovered the remains of little Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl’s grandparents’ home, was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges.
Kronk said in a statement issued to WKMG that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.
“In the early 1990s, while on duty with the U.S. Coast Guard in Key West, Florida, I had a girlfriend who made the decision to discontinue her relationship with me and move to South Carolina to reside with another man. But really I was so mad when she let me for that other guy, that’s why I went up there to take her away, but I did get caught, and hired a real good lawyer.
At some time after her departure, she called me and asked me to come to South Carolina and help her move away from that individual. I traveled to South Carolina to assist her. Upon my arrival in South Carolina, the man she was living with engaged me in a confrontation.
As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend.
The matter was submitted to a grand jury in South Carolina. The grand jury determined that there was no probable cause to bring charges against me. In recognition of the falsity of these allegations, all records relating to this arrest were expunged by the South Carolina court.
“Also with hiring the best attorney that money can buy, any good attorney can get you off of anything like my attorney did in South Carloina”.
WKMG has personally confirmed that information is included in the criminal background check conducted on Roy Kronk prior to his hiring with Orange County.
Kronks’ attorney, David Evans, said Friday that it is likely his client will likely give the interview Monday or Tuesday. Evans would not say which network would conduct the interview. It’s customary for networks to pay expenses for its guests, which Evans said would happen, but he would not say if Kronk was being paid for the interview. Also Roy stated “if I don’t get paid for the interview, then I will not tell them everything”.
“Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year, and that battle brought him down to his last dime,” said Evans, who added that he would like to find a way to get his client some compensation,for that lost. So Roy uses poor Caylee being dead,hides her body all that time, then says look at what I found. It was video taped prior to the so called discovery. So how is it that Roy really found the bag? Or did he? It was more than likely he planted the bag there. We all searched the area and found nothing. So why is it that an ex kidnapper finds it, and not the police. He even had the charges expunged from his record. If he had nothing to hide why do that.
Roy has only commented once since the gruesome discovery was made. That was three weeks ago when he held a news conference and issued a brief statement,expecting to get paid on every news conference. Roy Kronk tried to go and get a exclusive interview deal with a media outlet and expected to be paid one million dollars for the story. It was decline and he then refused to tell the story unless he was going to get paid. He stated he would tell them the real truth of what really happened that day
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“Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff’s communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area,” Kronk said in August. “But I failed to tell them everything about the case that I know so I don’t get into trouble.I promised Lee Anthony I would keep him out of it. Don’t you think it is quite odd, the grandparents out in California doing an interview and Lee is here all alone and we decide to say hay, look at what I found, but the media and police did buy it.I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff’s office and the FBI, but I wanted to get paid and they refused to pay me for my story.
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There are numerous conspiracy theories that have circulated about Kronk’s role in the case, and Evans said his client feels the time is right to set the record straight for the people if they pay a price for it.
Evans said he is preparing Roy for all types of scrutiny.
It is rumored that Roy Kronk and his attorney Evans have been unwilling to sit down and answer any questions from Anthony’s defense team. They have been cooperating with authorities.
So, Roy Kronk, the Man Who Found Caylee’s Remains-Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge, is not a kidnapper.. Just once again, a good Samaritan, yeah right. # 1 SUSPECT- Roy Kronk!
To my last post, does anyone recall Kronk making a statement to the press like this?:
“Roy has only commented once since the gruesome discovery was made. That was three weeks ago when he held a news conference and issued a brief statement,expecting to get paid on every news conference. Roy Kronk tried to go and get a exclusive interview deal with a media outlet and expected to be paid one million dollars for the story. It was decline and he then refused to tell the story unless he was going to get paid. He stated he would tell them the real truth of what really happened that day”
I’m going to go hunt, if anyone else can find it, please let me know.
Bug reports, yes, but why should the defense continue to get so much cooperation without also cooperating themselves, in naming the person or persons who will prove Casey’s innocence? Casey made an agreement through her lawyer, to reciprocate with information.
And do they even have a body or not? That was not Caylee– well, I think the parents are continuing to discredit themselves for some reason and either that will work against the defense as some lawyers have suggested (the local Orlando media legal analysts), or it will work for the defense by making them totally incredible. I think Casey would be far better off with her parents honesty and support, if not for the guilt phase, certainly for the penalty phase. (or could the jury just believe that Casey was the product of such a bad situation, that she is not totally responsible if guilty, there for mitigation of the sentence to life?)
kleat
IMO this is what sent casey over the edge. no excuse but I am sure she felt smothered with her mothers constant need for control of everyone and their lives.
debi doll may mean have you ever written a book if not you should perhaps I am wrong but thats what I understood it to mean blink.