Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released
Orlando, FL– The State Attorney’s Office is set to release 1000 additional pages of discovery this morning of previously unseen evidence in the case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie.
Sources within the SA’s office speaking on the condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com say the new information is largely FBI reports.
The release comes on the heels of new motions filed by the defense this week.
Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon, defense counsel for Casey Anthony filed a motion alleging double jeopardy violation in the upcoming fraud case, a reply to the states motion to preclude death procedures and yet another motion to dismiss. A hearing date has not yet been set by Judge Strickland’s office.
blinkoncrime.com will be posting the latest round of discovery as soon as it becomes available. Please check back for updates.
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Well, after all is said and done, I still believe that Casey is going down for the murder of her daughter. The whole thing for me goes back to the initial investigation, 31 days without admitting to anyone her daughter was missing, the stench in the trunk, the dogs hitting on the trunk, ect, ect, ..the icing on the cake has been all the doc dumps. She is guilty..always has been. I am so tired of all the intense discussion about her case..that feeds the defense ..she did the deed..the rest is just the icing on the cake.
last post was regarding #549,
Anthony’s are awefully quiet…so is Bozo.
Hi Blink (and Blinksters!),
I’m a long-time reader, but this is my first post. I just have something to say about the duct-tape. There’s been a lot of theories about why Casey put duct-tape over Caylee’s mouth, and when the news first came out about it, I had a theory of my own. Now in light of the entymology report, I’d bet my eye-teeth on my theory (and if this has already been discussed, my apologies).
I believe that the tape was the last motherly act, however twisted, that Casey provided Caylee. As a mother myself, I know I hate it when my child gets as much as a mosquito bite. So, what if the tape was to serve as a barrier against the flies?
Once the flies started infesting the corpse (sorry for the indelicate image), perhaps Casey felt the need to “protect” her child from them. That would explain WHY the tape was so thorough, and tight, and would also seem to explain the heart sticker too.
I’m thinking that maybe once the maggots began to appear, she wiped them away with the napkin, crumpling it in disgust and in an effort to squish them, and then covered ALL openings with the tape – eyes and ears too. Then the heart shaped sticker – once again reinforcing the idea that the tape was a loving act.
Just my opinion.. and I’m looking forward to read everyone’s thoughts on it. Thanks!
TechMom – I can really see where you’re going with this. We always want to make everything ‘better’ when our kids are hurt, when they mess up or they need cover. I don’t know if Casey felt this way – given the fact that I believe Caylee was in this position to begin with because of her own mom – but I can see in a sick and twisted way she might have been trying to make everything ‘ok’.
TechMom, wouldn’t the skin be damp/wet/decomposed by the time the flies arrived? The duct tape would have to be applied to dry skin in order to stick.
Bees Knees – my theory is that she wiped the baby’s face with the napkin(s) found in the trunk – effectively removing any maggots that have started to accumulate, as well as drying the skin surface well enough for duct-tape to stick. One of duct-tape’s well known qualities is it’s ability to stick – even to damp objects – especially when stuck back onto itself. So with that in mind, and knowing the long length of the tape pieces – the ends may well have overlapped when initially put on. Another reason for the length – to make sure the ears were protected too.
Also – thanks! to both lily and Bees for entertaining my theory and replying. After following the case for so long and having only my husband’s uninformed “pity” attention to bounce ideas off of (“yes, dear.. interesting… zzzzzzzz” lol), this is a great change! =)
Local Orlando news is reporting that the bottle and chloroform is a no go for a link to the crime. Says the chloroform levels are less than what is in drinking water. Just a co-incidence that they were 6 inches away from her skull.
TechMom,
Welcome, glad you posted.
Your theory is a good one. I can see it being very plausible except putting duct tape on your loved one is not a loving act. Also, she never treated Caylee’s death with reverence. Comparing the smell in the trunk to a squirrel “plastered” to the hood of her car.
If Casey couldn’t stand Caylee being feasted upon then she could have done the loving thing for her daughter and confessed giving her a proper burial.
Instead Caylee was placed in trash bags and thrown out into a dumpsite where animals would take her apart. IMO not something a loving mother would do.
Also, remember that poor little Caylee wasn’t given her beloved momma doll or her little teddy bear. I would think as a mother you would want your baby to have her most cherished friends with her.
Thank you for bringing this theory here. No one really knows the why of Casey, your theory IMO is just as plausible as Blink’s O theory or as any given by me or anyone- Keep posting I would love to read some more of your opinions. This one will certainly keep me awake pondering if you could be right.
#598 wpgmouse,
Remember in Cindy’s deposition that was released just recently she was asked if she ever used ammonia or ammonia mixed with water as a cleaning solution. She stated she had NEVER used this at all ever.
TechMom, having a hard time buying that ‘protecting Caylee’ theory. You think tape would ‘stick’? And besides, it’s not going to protect anything. If the tape did not stick, the mandible would not have been still attached. I don’t know that you can ‘wipe maggots’ off– I remember a vet removing maggots from a wound on a horse, it took tweezers and pulling to get them detached. Not simple wiping. And if you could wipe them away, what good would it do? You would be wiping– naw, I’m not going there. Just seems way too off for anyone who cares, even farther off for someone who has no feeling, and is trying to ‘protect’.
No, not unless someone is mentally ill, seriously. To do this, there would have to be debagging at some point. And that itself is sealing the shroud, the blanket, and two wraps of plastic, and then the carrying laundry bag.
No, the body was tossed like trash. No protection from anything. Sorry. Doesn’t fit for me.
Smoking gun or not– Bill Schaeffer says yes, this report says no:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21576734/detail.html
quote:
“HLN cable news personality Nancy Grace stated on her show the syringe was “loaded” with chloroform, and legal analysts have called the chloroform discovery a “smoking gun” or otherwise damaging to the defense.
But a closer look the FBI laboratory test results on the liquid reveals the level of chloroform in the liquid constitutes only about 12 parts per billion. By comparison, drinking water can contain up to 80 parts per billion of chloroform and its chemical cousins and still pass the Environmental Protection Agency standards for chlorinated drinking water.
Neither prosecutors nor defense attorneys would comment on the findings, but Local 6 took them to an independent chemist who said the presence of chloroform at that level was not significant.
The FBI chemist who did the tests did not even mention chloroform in his final report, turned over to investigators in July 2009 – two months after he started testing the substance.”
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wpgmouse, thank you re: the cotton-like material with the syringe. i think you guys are right, that it is an alcohol wipe.
Here’s how I interpret those sideways pages like 11544. They run the gas chromatography or whatever the test is on the unknown substance, and up pops a result for it—those neat curves or seismograph looking shapes that show something or other about the composition of the substance. The very top line depicts the unknown compound. The next five items, which have their own wavy lines that look pretty similar to those of the unknown compound, are listed below in descending order based on how closely they resemble the unknown compound. That’s the pictorial form. Listed below the pics is the same list of items in descending order of ‘matchiness’, so for instance on 11544, the profile of the mystery compound most closely resembles Primol Eko 100k (83.36 match), and also resembles (but less so) rapeseed oil and Primol Eko 36p (81.69 and 81.36 matches, respectively).
So in this case, the substance is definitely consistent with being some kind of oil, but it’s not really clear what kind.
Scroll to the right side of that page and you will see that the list of known compounds that more or less match the mystery compound are from a reference library, in this case “Lubricants and Oils by ATR.”
I think KC tried to burn the body and also the car to get rid of the evidence. Anyone think of that ? With all the gas can rigamaroe what was all that about? It didn’t happened because she got flagged by Geo. with the trunk of the car thing, and then she got freaked and left it at Amscot> JMOP i read she tried to burn her at J. B. Park but it never happened successfully. So why not the car, another blundering mess. So she left it at the Amscot?
PS, I don’t know if I’m interpreting it correctly, but that’s my best guess at what those particular pages mean. i could totally be wrong…
What else is going on– we haven’t got enough info yet, maybe that’s part of the plan, to keep the defense guessing, unless their client will reveal what she knows to them and will she continue to play dumb?
Changing the subject, isn’t it absolutely necessary for the timeline to begin on a day where Caylee and Casey are seen leaving the house, Caylee alive and in a different set of clothes than her mother had her in? And for the last day not to be the evening of the 15th, when it would make less sense for Casey to leave with the child to give her to a sitter and not come home on a Sunday (unlikely starting work late Sunday evening as excuse).
Different clothing means someone else could have provided those clothes to fit in with Casey’s story of the nanny, and if George was not telling what he knew from what he actually SAW that Monday, he clued in very early, to make sure he covered for Casey– how did he know to do this so early on?
Momof3 – Thanks for the warm welcome and the great feedback. You articulated some of my own nagging thoughts that conflict with my theory, especially about not leaving “mamma” with Caylee. I can’t fathom any reason for that except maybe the doll could be too easily be tied to Caylee, and without it, identification might not be as possible.
And you are right, the act of applying duct-tape isn’t a “loving” act… from a mentally sound point of view. But it still fits IMO as an act of motherly protection. For this theory to have any ring of truth in it for myself, I put it in this rather morbid hypothetical: If I were in some sort of position\place where (Higher Powers forbid!) I had a loved one, especially a child, who had passed and I had no means to bury.. and all I had was a roll of duct-tape to protect her remains (especially the face)from the invasive insects.. Would I do the same? Could I? Maybe. Or maybe I’m just humanizing someone who lacks /has lost all humanity.. I dunno! But it’s definitely something to think about. ; )
Momof3
So good that you recalled that.
Yes, I distinctly remember that exchange.
Could be she was not being truthful, and ammonia was used in the car clean-up or the clean-up/masking of something else.
Or she was being truthful, and the State was eliminating that “home bottle of ammonia” source in order to support the ammonia was actually a compound detected in a product, like a pesticide for example. Like I said earlier, it made me ill back in December when LE retrieved a spray tank of pesticide from the A’s home.
Sorry, but I am about to get a bit graphic here.
Is this what actually caused the death of Caylee, or was it used if her little body was kept somewhere, like in the backyard. If she was there, even for a short period of time, how could that go undetected by the A’s pets or a visible gathering of attracted insects. How could CA take the chance her parents might be in the yard and discover little Caylee? The use of a pesticide would have probably masked the fact.
What do you think, Momof3?
It’s hard for me to believe that the defense team or the A’s will not come out and speak about the recent doc dump. In the past, they’ve always had something to say … either directly related to the dump or related to something totally different in an effort to get the public’s mind off of what they’re reading. I’ll be shocked if we don’t’ hear from somebody soon. They all love being on camera too much to stay quiet. Unless they’re still trying to figure out the exact wording to use when questioned about their tattoos. You know that Jim Lichtentstein has been busy with their media speaker training! Gotta get those talking points down pat!
Just read something about Casey’s so-called female problems back when she was pregnant. It’s really hard for me to get my head around the pathology of a liar. I believe that Cindy and Casey were so good at it and believed in their ability to do it well, they totally went off the charts with it. For example, Cindy looking at her brother straight in his eyes and telling him that Casey was not pregnant and that she had female problems. Cindy knew that even if he questioned it, she would be able to lie so well that the whole matter would be dropped — which it was. Casey, too, had the same way of lying. She lied her face off to her friends. They all knew she was lying. They discussed it behind her back. But no one ever confronted her. So, she was able to continue doing it unchecked for who knows how long! She also thought she could do it with law enforcement. Big oops! Imagine, the nerve of them to question her honesty! hehehe
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I would like to add a disclaimer that I was getting myself confused regarding the two separate bottles with liquid, please ignore my last post in re: choline. It’s tough to do adequate research whilst working on something else simultaneously. Apologies. I think that, fortunately, it was likely ignored anyway, lol.
Chloroform air samples:
This is from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, and is in relationship to the ‘carpet air sample’ minus the trunk liner which had been removed. It seems that although the area counts were higher than the control carpet in amounts of chloroform, the amount of chloroform is lower than expected for adult decompositional events. However, we know that it was a child vs an adult and that not all components of the trunk were tested at this point. A control sample with a blanket of a 3 year old child who had decomposed in a trunk for apprx 3 months on said blanket, yielded no detection of chloroform.
Pg 5/19801995PDF : Chloroform
“A quantitation of chloroform was attempted, but the chloroform seen the Florida carpet sample was much greater than the purchased standard. Increasing the standard concentration by a larger injection volume would have required too much menthanol and would have overwhelmed the signal. Looking at the integrated areas under the peaks, the control carpet had approximately 10,270 area counts and the Florida trunk sample had approximately 386, 200, 000 area counts. 10mg of injected standard yielded an area count of approximately 8, 240, 000 indicating that the Florida trunk sample had an amount of chloroform present which was in the low parts per million range. Typical concentrations seen during human decompositional events of adults yields amounts in the low parts per trillion range………..
PG 6
TSTs collected from the Florida trunk were analyzed even though the trunk liner had been removed and the odor would not have been representative of what was originally present at the time of discovery. Even with the liner removed, sulfur containing compounds carbon disulfide and dimethyl disulfide, as well as carbon tetrachloride and chloroform , were still detectable in trace amounts…….”
Would someone please help me with a link to the trunk liner, preferably wftv? If it is already up, I’m sorry.
O yes, memories of the day I spent researching MSDS sheets, creating my – since cant stand to look at – spreadsheet of the extraneous findings produced by “the sniffer.” Admittedly, I do not have the periodic table committed to memory any longer, I struggle through those areas of research so I feel your pain.
Just a general note to all on here who like WSH are whipping through complicated evidence discussions.
B
PLEASE HELP me with the LINKS to comments posted here.
I think it is a BIG deal if weed eater fabric was found at both the remains site and at the Anthony home. I first read about that here on Blink’s site.
WHERE was this information found???
I cannot find the documents????
What are the links to the CSI notes from OCSO where Agent Bloise found 4 areas with the weed eaters in the Anthony yard? (in previous document release)
What is the link for the FBI contact logs that says OCSO has one of the weed eaters from the Anthony yard? (in previous document release)
What is the link to this evidence in the latest document release? “weed eater fabric found at the scene”? #441 · Comment by JJ
Im sure I saw someone link to this in response yesterday-
B
PLEASE tell me where I can find the info about “weed eaters” in this recent document release on Nov. 6th, and where I can find the info in previous doc releases which Blink mentions.
#479 Comment by wpgmouse (re: weed eaters)
WPG is correct. One similar to many that were observed and subsequently put into evidence, from the Anthony home, was found with Caylee.
B
****Correction, Can someone help me with a PDF on the trunk liner, etc from cfnews 13? They are smaller.
Blink, are the Blinkettes feeling any better? Our thoughts are with you and yours.
Gavi- they are, thanks so much. Bronchitis, not h1n1. Phew
B
“32 Comment by cher — November 6, 2009 @ 12:27 pm
Casey Anthony case: syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform
FBI lab tests detected the dangerous chemical in evidence from the area where Caylee Marie’s remains were found”
Blink is this statement really true? I have been gone for a bit but happy to announce I am ready to live life again, can you tell me if this statement is true?
thanks for everything!
suz
Here is the link for
The Nicolet Oil Library of FTIR spectra (ATR)
538 ATR spectra, each spectrum includes following information:
Code, Origin (Company or country), Type, Name
http://www.ftir.cz/downloads/oilatr.txt
You’ll find listings for those compounds found in the FBI analysis including Eko 36p, rape seed and poppy seed oil, Biovis, etc. Most appear from this ATR list to have the “company or country” of origin in common, which leads me to believe a brand of motor oil has been narrowed down, and perhaps narrowed down to who, connected to Caylee, had this type of oil.
GA? An oil change pan was collected from the A’s home, and swabbed – - don’t think we have seen those swab results, just like we have not seen the results of the swabs taken from the bottom of the gas cans).
IMO, establishing a link between the Gatorade bottle to Caylee and CA may have been successful, but we are not privy to that at this time.
re: pesticide (and compounds found to be in common with)
If I recall, GA used to work for a pest control company.
re: automotive oil change pan (and compounds found to be in common with motor oil)
GA states in LE interview he does the oil changes for cars.
CA would have prior access to the pesticides and the oil change pan (or items connected to the pan) that were collected from the A’s home by LE following the December discovery on Suburban.
#628_dee
As suz and others pointed out, the level of chloroform in that item did not exceed the common amount of contaminant or additive in normal tap water. It still doesn’t preclude the notion that it was placed in the dump location to cast suspicions on the owner of it, nor does it preclude that the item is entirely unrelated to the case.
It’s very difficult for most novices, like myself, to glean what the raw scientific data truly means.
For example, initially, we all thought that the air sample in the trunk yielded very high levels of chloroform, but what most of us didn’t know at the time was that it was actually a chemical component of decomp itself. Add to that that the level of chloroform in the air sample actually contained rates that were lower than some circumstances of decomp. Without knowing what the standards or controls are for chemicals, we can go off half cocked into making incorrect assumptions. I think that without serious chemical and forensic backgrounds, we can make a lot of false assessments about individual chemicals discovered, particularly since they can occur from natural or synthetic sources, via intentional production or naturally occurring production.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21576734/detail.html
The above link is to Local 6 news – they had an independent
chemist analyze the bottle and syringe and he stated that the amount of cloroform is “insignificant”.
What does this now mean as far as the theories? Possibly all this discussion on these findings are off-base?
Welcome back Dee. Glad you’re here.
So wpgmouse, you are interpreting page 11544 as listing all the components found in the unknown compound. “We ran the analysis and found all of these things in the compound.” Is that how you are seeing it?
I am still interpreting it as the lab having run a spectral analysis of the unknown and asked the computer (essentially) for similar known compounds: “now that we have the wavelengths of unknown compound, what known compounds have similar wavelengths?” and voila, the computer—using libraries of reference data similar to the one you found (you probably noted as I did that there are a whole lot out there—companies must sell them to labs)—spit out the top several results.
Computer(talking in robot voice): “unknown compound is similar but not identical to the following oils and lubricants”
Ok, the computer probably doesn’t talk, it just spits out a list of reference compounds that are like the unknown they are trying to identify. The matches are only as good as the reference library; the more known compounds you have, the closer you can presumably get to an exact match.
So to me it’s still an unknown oil or lubricant which does seem to have alot in common with that Primol Eko 100 or whatever the closest match was.
BUT…you could be right in your interpretation I reckon. Or do you know for sure how it works?
PLEASE HELP me with the LINKS to comments posted here.
I think it is a BIG deal if weed eater fabric was found at both the remains site and at the Anthony home. I first read about that here on Blink’s site.
WHERE was this information found???
I cannot find the documents????
What are the links to the CSI notes from OCSO where Agent Bloise found 4 areas with the weed eaters in the Anthony yard? (in previous document release)
What is the link for the FBI contact logs that says OCSO has one of the weed eaters from the Anthony yard? (in previous document release)
What is the link to this evidence in the latest document release? “weed eater fabric found at the scene”? #441 · Comment by JJ
Im sure I saw someone link to this in response yesterday-
B
No response with LINKS yet Blink????
I only posted a link to YOUR article about the weed eaters, but no LINK to the official documents which relate to the weed eater fabric found at the remains scene, and also at the Anthony home/yard. Still need help finding those LINKS.
TIA
Thinker, do you have a blog?
B
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#622 Chicago, unfortunately, most malignants (naricissist) believe the lies they tell to be truth, so I don’t suppose it’s so much how good she is at lying, but that she absolutely believes the lies she tells, which would most probably make the results of any polygraph mute.
#632 Artgal16, don’t throw the possibility away just yet. Remember there is more chloroform evidence to tie the bottle and syringe into, regardless of how little choloroform there is in both. Chloroform evaporates quickly, unless protected from UV, which I was thinking might have been the reasoning behind the toilet paper roll, within the bottle. But then, it’s anybody’s guess, I suppose.
And Blink, anyone, what of the indicators of semen on some of the items in evidence, such as the additional blanket, and how might this relate to the positives for testesterone? Maybe she did have help. Sigh.
Gavi
wpgmouse, I think that’s why in the summary on page 11536 it says that Q240.1.1 “liquid –yellow part” is “hydrocarbon oil (poss)” which I take to mean possibly hydrocarbon oil, but not exactly sure what kind.
I found this interesting powerpoint from someone who does analysis of fine art using a Nicolet Magna 560 (the fbi lab used a Magna 560, it says in the report—you can buy them used for $12k I noticed when I was looking for a user manual, lol). Anyway, in her “experimental details” slide she explains how they flattened the sample so they could use the Magna 560, and that “Resulting spectra were interpreted with the aid of commercial and art conservation infrared reference spectral libraries.” When she presents her findings for some items, she also says “best match”–so I am still thinking that my interpretation of how they run the unknown against knowns in the library is correct. It’s kind of like fingerprint or dna identification—you have an unknown and you compare it to knowns.
JJ?????? which document did you find the “weed eater fabric” reference in? LINK please?
#441 Comment by JJ — November 9, 2009 @ 1:22 pm
what is ; “weed eater” fabric found at the scene”, I have never been sure as to what evidence was found in the backyard…
artgal16
Checked the link you provided.
IMO this article and the “independent chemist of the chemical analysis” are misleading and incomplete in regards to the totality of evidence and other compounds found. Also I have never seen a colour image of the Disney bag. Have I missed a link to released images?
The only part of this article that I found telling, were actually comments underneath the article from a poster regarding what he calls
“poison” in the car of which I have previously referred to here as pesticide.
#631 But WSH, isn’t the chloroform significant enough in the trunk liner, in particular in the area where the stain is located?
#605-TechMom I have had the opportunity to observe the entamological progression of the life cycle on the deceased, it isn’t a pretty sight nor is erradication of the living critters an easy task. Thank you for giving Casey a shred of human kindness regarding her daughter but I believe that within her veins, the flowing milk of human kindness has coagulated into one great big curd of selfishness!
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No way would Casey “dirty” her sensibilities in protecting her daughter’s corpse, the act of attempting to “wipe” away any maggots protruding from the eyes, ears, nose or mouth would only permit more to rise to the surface and force Casey to have to deal with squirming, squishy critters. Had she observed the corpse in the “fly” stage, the scene would have resembled a tinge of “life” as the critters would be actively competing for cavity space to deposit eggs. I’ve seen more than a few “hardened professionals” loose it (interpret those terms any way you choose!) when surprised by a human body in this state of decay/decomp, a neophyte such as Casey might experience a similiar reaction.
Given the atmospheric conditions of the FLa. environment and the conditions within that trunk, Caylee’s body probably was undergoing a rapid decomp process, within hours bodily fluids were seeping and movement of the body would result in a purge function. Attaching duct tape to a wet, slimy surface would have been difficult a best, if not impossible. Add to the mix that the body which may have passed the rigor stage or even pre-rigor would have to be HELD UPRIGHT to attach the tape and the feasibility of Casey performing a “loving” act is deminished greatly (IMO).
just a Q on the complicated chemistry issue– was the quantitative analysis based on the total liquid in the syringe? Or the total liquid in the Gatorade bottle? Will the defense be able to argue that this was some trace amount in a huge dilution, that would need to be consumed in such large volumes of the toxic tap water that the water itself, would be the killer before the chloroform would?
The first think is to analyse what the methods were and what the analysis was done to determine– presence, or ‘amount’, and I think we may be focussing too much on the chloroform simply from the results. So what if there are trace amounts, acceptable or not for some drinking water standards. What IF Casey was putting things into the crime scene (or directing someone to do so) after the fact? No need for the amounts of chemical needed to kill, the deed was already accomplished, why plant or toss the evidence all neatly quadruply packaged– disney bag, gatorade bottle, paper roll wraps (2), plastic original syringe kit bag resealed, syringe with attached needle and needle protector in place.
Maybe the next question, following the answers of ‘what’ was in those ‘packaged containers’ should be ‘why’ that evidence found at the crime scene. Why keep it near a body near the home, when it could have been tossed in any big dumpster so that it was never found again? That is bothersome– and the best answer on the surface of things, is to implicate someone, just as the duct tape along with the text t-shirt ‘messages’, ‘in-packages’ direction to look ‘in packages’, etc suggested homicide.
Comment by Gavriella — November 11, 2009 @ 11:59 am
“And Blink, anyone, what of the indicators of semen on some of the items in evidence, such as the additional blanket, and how might this relate to the positives for testesterone? Maybe she did have help. Sigh.”
Gavi
There are NO indicators of semen as far as those tests. All of the items were tested for presumptive semen with a control sample of the chemical constituents of semen. They wanted to make sure there wasn’t semen. The tests, thus far, as I have reviewed have come up negative.
#635 Thinker, do you have a blog?
B
No blog B.
When I find something interesting (to me), I just like to put all the pieces together, and find the exact location in official documents where specific information is located (such as the weed eater fabric info). I like to be able to LINK directly to the official info for reference.
TIA
Thinker, no disrespect, but the rapid fire of the same issue caught my attention. I am not in a position to review my notes and link you, I will when I get a chance.
B
Comment by joypath — November 11, 2009 @ 12:07 pm
joypath
I have come over to the opinion that she used the duct tape in the process of snuffing out Caylee’s life, or immediately post-mortem. I have said and thought precisely what you have stated, in the past. It was a turning point for me to get beyond an accident….your thoughts?
# Comment by Gavriella — November 11, 2009 @ 12:06 pm
#631 But WSH, isn’t the chloroform significant enough in the trunk liner, in particular in the area where the stain is located?
I don’t know Gavi. Haven’t really looked at it yet. I don’t know if there was a summary included or not.
THINKER
this is all I know about the weed eater/barrier fabric and why I asked the question in #441.
#312
KLEAT
(and we have not heard about the soil testing yet from the back yard– that’s more fodder for the ‘ it’s junk scientologists’)
BLINK
Good Point, it is my personal opinion that result is key. We have also not heard if the “weed eater” fabric found at the scene has been tested forensically, and against other known samples at the Anthony home.
B
BLINK’S ARTICLE: Discovery Review Part II
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/caylee-anthony-case/keith-williams/
Sorry, I don’t know of a link to any of the released docs. I’m sure Blink or some of the Blinkers can get it for you.
# Comment by wpgmouse — November 11, 2009 @ 12:06 pm
artgal16
Checked the link you provided.
IMO this article and the “independent chemist of the chemical analysis” are misleading and incomplete in regards to the totality of evidence and other compounds found. Also I have never seen a colour image of the Disney bag. Have I missed a link to released images?
The only part of this article that I found telling, were actually comments underneath the article from a poster regarding what he calls
“poison” in the car of which I have previously referred to here as pesticide.
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=WorldofDisneybag1ab.jpg