Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released
Orlando, FL– The State Attorney’s Office is set to release 1000 additional pages of discovery this morning of previously unseen evidence in the case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie.
Sources within the SA’s office speaking on the condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com say the new information is largely FBI reports.
The release comes on the heels of new motions filed by the defense this week.
Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon, defense counsel for Casey Anthony filed a motion alleging double jeopardy violation in the upcoming fraud case, a reply to the states motion to preclude death procedures and yet another motion to dismiss. A hearing date has not yet been set by Judge Strickland’s office.
blinkoncrime.com will be posting the latest round of discovery as soon as it becomes available. Please check back for updates.
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Did rogue ‘Clickorlando’ reporter do a bit of creative evidence fabrication with his own Disney bag, syringe etc?
What chemist– independent for what type of work for what company? The reporter Pipitone doesn’t have to say, therefore, he can’t answer about the quality of his sources, what and where are the tap waters in the USA that have 80 ppb chloroform? Really? Who is drinking that and do they know about it? Who is the ‘P and G’ that’s allowing that into the well waters or surface water sources for these ‘tap waters’?
What were the chemist’s qualifications– was this some little water analysis lab or did the person have a PhD in some related field that allows him to do more than ‘test’ and report results? And did the person take time to review all the relevant reports?
Better question, did Pipitone re-create that ‘evidence’, therefore was the report clearly deceptive with the ‘fake’ evidence without making a CLEAR labelling of the published photograph that this was a ‘recreation’, not the actual evidence?
Is Pipitone taking the opposite tact and faking stuff, or putting his own little spin with ‘unknown’ in his ‘chemist’ source– or did he have access to that photograph from actual evidence? He is getting attention for himself– suppose that’s what his purpose is unless it’s good solid, researched investigative, reponsible reporting. (or his Pipitone pushing the defense position– well, faking things, for the defense position for jury influence?)
WHO and what qualifications are this ‘chemist’, where did the published ‘evidence’ photo come from?
#643 Two thumbs up, joypath, and please don’t negate the “slippage” which I have half expected to find evidence of on some of Casey’s belongings, such as the slacks that Cindy washed. I’ve been hesitant to be too graphic, but if in fact Casey packaged Caylee after the fact, after the (O, God, forgive me) roasting in the trunk for 2-3 days and the whole while being consumed by bugs, and the bloating, seepage, slippage, I’d expect to find evidence of that, but have not, as yet, in any of the documents, but of course, that doesn’t mean none exists. IE: What bits of flesh or feces might also have been on the slacks, for as much as it’s been alleged that Casey moved Caylee about, which I believe with every fiber of my being would have been as little as possible, for the mere sight and smell of her daughter would have repulsed her. I’ll bet my toes that she couldn’t wait to get out of those pants, but hadn’t the sence to throw them in the trash. She was so careless in that regard, which goes back the narcissistic tendancies and her belief that she would not ever get caught.
WSH #631, couldn’t agree with you more about cautioning us about how it can be misleading to take a tiny detail and run with it—especially since most of this stuff is outside of our areas of expertise (speaking for myself, anyway). On one hand, it does generate interesting brainstorming and outside the box thinking, but on the other hand, it’s then fairly easy to get mixed up between the facts and the speculation about the facts. That’s why I am forever going back to the actual discovery to see what has been stated vs. what has been speculated upon or read into. And it’s really tempting to shoe horn any and all findings into the storyline, probably because there is so much we just don’t know—just another case of nature abhorring a vacuum, I guess (and if you saw my rugs, you’d know I do, too).
Anyway, unless they can trace the gatorade bottle or syringe or steroids back to Casey, I’m staying in the “random debris that was dumped as trash and happened to wash up near the skull, perhaps getting trapped by the dead tree, coincidentally containing trace amounts of chloroform but lots of things do” camp.
Thanks for your response Gavi, but I have to disagree. I think pathological liars know they are lying. They don’t necessarily believe what they’re saying; they know it’s not true. But they must say those things with conviction so that YOU and I believe them. Cindy knew that Casey was pregnant when her brother asked. She didn’t believe at that time that Casey had female problems. She knew darned well. But she wasn’t about to let Rick know it. Another example is when Casey was lying to the detectives. She lied her way all the way down the hall at Universal until she realized that they weren’t falling for it. She didn’t believe her lies to them. She knew she was lying. And, thank God, so did they! And in one of the the audiotaped interviews, she actually says “because I lied”.
Thinker, i don’t know for sure but I think that comment about the “poison” in the trunk was referring to the chloroform found there.
WSH, and if I might, most respectfully so, of course, interject? I’ve long since been of the belief the duct tape was the means by which Casey killed Caylee. Via suffocation. The heart shaped sticker was an after thought. After she’d placed the tape, and I believe during a struggle, during which Casey may have been looking directly into Caylee’s eyes and chastising, “Look what you’ve made me do to you! How could you do this to me, and make me do this to you when I love you so much, and here’s a sticker to prove it!” Something to that affect. And sigh, again.
By the way, does anyone know if Ricardo and Amy were suspected of smoking pot?
When reviewing the napkins or towels with suspected adipocere, it was noted that there were traces of THC and cannabinoid on them. We know that Tony’s crew smoked pot. If R & A didn’t , then we know the garbage goes back to Tony’s apartment.
#544: Quantatative analysis: based on the total “element” as present in the analysed alliquot, that is X amount of apple in an 8 ounce cup vs total amount of apples in a basket of any size. The measurement of the element is compared to a KNOWN amount of the element BOTH taken within the same volume of diluent.
I don’t know how to copy links so I copied this from another news website:…Newly revealed evidence in the Casey Anthony case reveals her to be a cold blooded killer, and not one who accidentally overdosed her child on a mix of homemade chloroform and testosterone. The idea that a mother would intentionally murder her child still shocks and is often found unbelievable, even though current news reports show that women are just as capable of cold, calculated murder against their own flesh and blood. That doesn’t lessen the astonishment, however, when it occurs. The revelation of a syringe with traces of chloroform paints the picture of Casey Anthony as a cold hearted murderess who purposefully and intentionally planned to murder Caylee Anthony.
Will the newly revealed evidence be enough to bring George and Cindy Anthony the revelation they need to finally remove the Casey colored blinders they’ve been wearing?
There is still a chance that the prosecution is withholding more bombshell evidence from the public, such as DNA evidence on the syringe or Gatorade bottle.
The revelation of chloroform in the Gatorade bottle and syringe near Caylee Anthony’s skeletal remains combined with the information that someone in the home was previously searching chloroform recipes is huge. However, it is important to remember that the computer searches were not only for chloroform, but also for neck breaking. There is no way to confirm whether or not Caylee Anthony’s neck had been broken, but if it were, it would have accelerated the rate of detachment of the skull from the rest of the body. Caylee Anthony’s skull was found separate from the rest of her bones.
The horrific thought that Casey Anthony injected Caylee Anthony with chloroform then broke her neck paints Casey Anthony as a cold blooded killer, and not someone who tried to sedate her daughter so she could go out and party. Traces of chloroform were also found in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car.
It’s important to remember that the medical examiner ruled Caylee Anthony’s death as homicide by undetermined means, but the evidence that links chloroform to Caylee Anthony might be the nail that seals Casey Anthony’s fate.
WSH, Whew! NO semen. Thanks so much for clearing that up!
Prime Writers News network is the site I copied and pasted the above article from. Sorry i forgot to add that in my above post.
#546: The placement of the tape, the multiple layers, the lack of disarticulation and destruction of the mandible within the skeleton, the definitive fact that taping a child as a “babysitter” on a routine basis wouldn’t work as the child’s skin would have marks, the hair would be removed, there would be pain and the child was articulate! (oh yeah, and the taper of a live active child would have bruises from the kicking!)
There are many possible scenarioes leading to a soft kill, I’m really looking forward to the results of the testing of samples from the bedroom. My belief is strong that Caylee was NOT killed in the trunk, that the trunk was a temporary disposal site after Casey discovered that killing Caylee was a big “OOPS” and now she had 35 lbs of “dead weight”. Heck, if she thought a living Caylee was an issue, imagine her anger over being “saddled” with a deceased child who she couldn’t pawn off on “mommy enabler”, Cindy
#620 wpgmouse,
Yes, I think the state was probably asking about the ammonia to exclude it from being directly added to the mix.
I think pesticides as a poison fits. Not sure though.
Perhaps she “borrowed” some of the pesticide mixture to inject into the bags in the trunk or she borrowed the whole container along with the gas cans and sprayed it directly into the trunk in order to try to eliminate the growing number of maggots?
Blink:I read on the blogs on WFTV that there was also a drink bottle in Casey’s car containing same chemicals as the gatorade bottle found near Caylee’s remains. Blink I can’t find this in docs, but a poster on WFTV said she read this in the evidence docs. Can you confirm there was also a “drink bottle inside Casey’s car” containing these things? TIA.
No I Can’t.
B
artgal16, Thanks for bringing over this information.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21576734/detail.html
-The above link is to Local 6 news – they had an independent
chemist analyze the bottle and syringe and he stated that the amount of cloroform is “insignificant”.
What does this now mean as far as the theories? Possibly all this discussion on these findings are off-base?-
In my opinion the discussion is not off base until the trial. Then we will know how or if the state plans on using this evidence. Or if they believe it is even part of the evidence.
Also, remember that the defense will find and has found their own set of experienced independent experts to refute all the evidence. I think this is why Blink says she believes this trial will come down to the battling forensic experts.- Question-An expert is be paid to testify for one side or another, right?
My question was supposed to read:
An expert is paid to testify for one side or the other right?
suz
I’m interpeting the listed compounds and the probability percentage match. Many of the FBI listed compounds are “matched” to the same manufacturer or country of origin (in this case the letters cz are indicated in the ATR listing). The compounds are part of the totality of an automotive or machinery oil.
Looking next at the broader picture of this case including collected evidence and testimony:
The analysis of the substances or compounds found in the liquid in the Gatorade bottle are likely compounds used for automotive and machinery purposes (as per the ATR listing) ; the GA gas can containing an oil/gas mixture ; an oil change pan retrieved from the A’s home ; GA’s statements regarding the oil/gas mixture in “his” can (the can that can be placed in CA’s possession); and his “job” of changing the oil in the family vehicles.
I have no experience in reading these FBI chemical analysis reports at all, none what-so-ever (and yes, I know it is obvious). What I did was a grouping of facts and other information that relate to the possibility of an industrial oil and attempted to connect a dot or two.
We have not been given any written conclusions to view or been privy to any discussions of hypotheses between all the professionals and experts (including LE) as to what the chemical findings actually mean or how they connect in this case. The State, without a doubt, has an entire collection of connected dots that led to the charges upon CA.
#649 Thinker
http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?action=view¤t=WorldofDisneybag1ab.jpg
Wow, thank you, Thinker.
#657 westsidehudson,
Hi yes, Amy for sure smoked pot. There are numerous texts by her referring to being high. Also Casey in one of her texts to Amy states (paraphrasing)that Ricardo’s pot problem is one of the reasons she is no longer happy about dating him. She goes on to say even though he is trying to cut back it isn’t gonna be enough for her.
#643 Joypath,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I too believe the duct tape was used as a means to an end for Caylee.
Either as an afterthought to make sure she was gone. Or used by Casey as a message to her mother “You should have never put Caylee in the position to tell on me” or to little Caylee herself to say “If only you would have kept your mouth shut!”
I think if Blink’s O theory is correct, it wouldn’t be because Casey wanted to cover the horror of the site, but because it would have been as if little Caylee was mocking her in death by having the audacity not to keep her little mouth shut.
Blink , #664, thanks for clearing that up. Maybe the poster on WFTV blog misinterpreted.
wpgmouse?????
Which document, in which document release (Sept 29th release?), did you find PAGE 9847 – a piece of black plastic weed barrier (Q-168)?
TIA
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#164 Comment by wpgmouse — October 10, 2009
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Back Yard Landscaping:
Interesting to note that on page 9847 a piece of black plastic weed barrier (Q-168?) was found at the Suburban crime scene. It was also separately noted (a hand-written communication) that the A’s had a roll of weed barrier at their residence.
We haven’t heard much from the backyard discovery, but when I put pavers down, I put a weed barrier down first.
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Discovery released 10/9/09 1405 pages, sorry Thinker, I am not running through that small type again, p.9847 ID’s the weed barrier from scene, the FBI log is not searchable in the PDF.
B
Just wanted to see what was going on over at WS, someone there knows a few chemists. According to the latest, the Crystal light bottle (the one in the garbage in the trunk, not found near the remains) is believed to a spittoon. All of the chemicals (according to the poster’s chemist) are used in the processing of tobacco. I would guess that some might be used in growing tobacco as well, if true. I can’t confirm all of these. I have to get a project finished, if anyone else would like to research….
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=157e8ec20c07785ddf5e6ac52ac871a1&t=91317&page=12
Every single one on the list is associated with tobacco.
2-Butanol – Solvent, also converted to Butanone- Found in tobacco
methyl ethyl ketone – Solvent, denaturing agent, cleaning agent-Found in tobacco
Methyl Alcohol – Solvent- Found in tobacco
Disulfide, dimethyl – Insecticide – contributor of urine smell- Found in tobacco
P-cresol – Disinfectants, insecticides-Found in tobacco
Anisole – Aromatic in perfumes and insecticides-Added to tobacco for aroma
Methyl Isocyanide – Pesticides- Found in tobacco
cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]- – Fungicide, insecticide? Adds flavor to tobacco
Trimethylamine – Manufacturing use. Main source of urine smell- Found in tobacco
Phenol – Antiseptic, herbicide- Found in tobacco
2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl- – Fungicide, insecticide?-Found in tobacco
Benzothiazole – Industrial use – binding agent?- Found in tobacco
1-Methoxycycloheptatriene – Use unknown, seems to be a neurotoxin-Found in tobacco
Thinker
re: the black weed barrier (forget the “eater” word), landscaping material
There is a LE note somewhere (in one of the last huge document releases) regarding the collection of a roll of this black landscaping weed barrier fabric/ material from the A’s home, a report listing the collection of several pieces of black material from the Suburban Drive crime scene, and the four marked areas in the A’s background.
I will help Blink to find these “buried” items which are within in “locked” pdf files, and not able to do a key-search word on.
Maybe someone else here has the information closer to their fingertips.
Back to you later on this.
#315 WSH SO SO SO sorry that I missed this question before!
After a frantic, time-consuming search for the serology documents (NO COMMENT all you computer genuises out there!), found what your reference question involved!
Phenol: based on documents we’ve received from the FBI in the past, that abbreviation refers to the screening test of phenolphthlein. This can be a non-specific test IF one were exclusively searching out blood products/residue, the “heme” ion in the hemaglobin (heme & globin aka ferrous element and protein ) reacts specifically with the addition of the oxidase reagent, thus rendering the colorless phenolphthlein turn “pink” (Kastle-Meyer test).
In scientific experimentation, phenolphthlein is regarded as an “indicator” whose color develops in acidic fluids PH (o-~8) or in basic fluids PH (~8-12).
Analysis of the FBI documents: no blood analysis done, all phth reactive (positive) specimens were QNS (quantity NOT sufficient for testing). ALL TESTING WAS PERFORMED WITH KNOWN positive (phth, heme reactive) and NEGATIVE (phth, heme no change, non-reactive) CONTROLS (blood batch #2)!
Additionally: Acid PO4 was performed on specimens, again with applicable controls and using semen batch#21 and a repeat test using batch#22). Acid PO4 is an enzyme test that reacts in a positive manner when seminal fluid is present in /on an exemplar).
WHEN THE report states “KNOWN” BLOOD or “KNOWN” SEMEN, it merely means that the scientist KNOWS that the sample has been proven to be either BLOOD or SEMEN and thus should provide a certain reaction (PS: also the contributor (usually a lab staff volunteer, if on a low budget!) is known also)
Thinker, no disrespect, but the rapid fire of the same issue caught my attention. I am not in a position to review my notes and link you, I will when I get a chance.
B
Not a problem B.
I can see where my insistent questioning about this issue seems odd since all of you discussed it quite a while ago. I was just reading back on your blog, and this issue of the weed eater/barrier fabric caught my eye, and I had never seen it before, or seen it discussed before.
I cannot find the document release that this info was quoted from????? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know you are extremely busy. Sorry to be a pest!
re: pesticides
The pesticides were collected from the A’s home right after the discovery at Suburban Drive. What, at the Suburban crime scene would have motivated LE to do so, or allowed them to do so?
WSH, lol, that is too funny! Some of us figured it for tobacco spit in the beginning (just by looking at the pic of the trash with the empty chaw containers and the icky brown stuff in the bottle), only to be mislead by the chemistry of the thing. Looked like too small an amount to be urine (from a young gentleman, esp.). Ha! Always go with your gut.
#656-Momof3: EXPERT witness: The concept of an expert witness is that of one recognized by the COURT as an authority in the field- for example, I am considered an expert witness in forensic pathology. Payment: as in any purchase of services, the payor anticipates that they will be the beneficiary of the services rendered, in the case of a scientific expert, it is his/her duty to evaluate the information and “poke” holes or suggest alternative theories as needed (AGAIN: one’s ethical stance toward one’s profession comes into play here). In my case, I get to speak forthe deceased as his/her voice, presenting the data/facts as I and my team find them, providing my introspection to the situation based on research and experience to “back it up”, my payment comes form a salary which is received no matter WHAT conclusion I arrive at regarding MOD.
Will some lawyers “shop around” until they get an expert who can play/present the possible card against the probable card, SURE! Then the prosecution or in some cases the defense, needs to “counter” the evaluation. Are some experts “up-for-sale”, well think this way….in any field there are “purchased people” (ie. mercenaries, hired protection)
Thinker
“wpgmouse?????
Which document, in which document release (Sept 29th release?), did you find PAGE 9847 – a piece of black plastic weed barrier (Q-168)?
TIA
Thanks for finding my October 10 comment – - that clarified it for me.
That page 9847 came from the giant 301 mb file released October 9, 2009.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21248759/detail.html
The fabric roll report was written by LE way back in the beginning of all this in 2008, months before the December Suburban discovery. I will look for the public release.
kleat
I have a question and please dont think me dumb for asking this. I am just wrapping my thoughts on this. Is it possible that the defense is keeping silent ! perhaps they are going to make an attempt to plea out? Just a thought?
I admire your sharp wit and intellect!
Chica
westsidehudson,
hey I went looking for those texts between Amy and Casey. I found the one referring to Ricardo. I was wrong.. it was about smoking cigs not pot:(Amy was trying to quit smoking also so maybe I was wrong about that too.
I will keep looking. As of now I think you are right maybe it was only Tony and his friends that smoked pot. Although, the trash could still be some one else’s simply because Casey was smoking pot with Tony and the other roommates. It could have transfered from her hands.
Here’s the text. Sorry for getting it wrong…
Casey text to Amy 10:00 am 5/9
I’m trying things just stick between him and I last night it was a very emotional connection..besides physical. And it was the same way this morning. He didn’t smoke once the entire night. Maybe he is making an effort? I don’t know.
#678 With respect to the witnesses, how in the world will George and Cindy testify with any credibility after being all over the media and caught in their own lies? The defense can argue the results of the experts but the people who knew Casey are going to be difficult to refute.
#643 – Joypath – Thanks for “shooting down” my theory, as it were! It’s a good lesson for me to not try and humanize any of KC’s actions, especially when everything KNOWN about her goes against my (and our collective) beliefs of what is “normal” and “right”. Just wishful thinking on my part, I guess, that little Caylee was shown some small act of kindness at the end. =(
#678
Joypath,
Thank you for sharing your expertize in answering my question regarding your profession. I hope my question did not come across as snarky. I was in no way questioning your ethics or that of your colleagues. Your post was very much appreciated, and very enlighting.
Just because some one is paid to do a job does not mean they are bought and paid for,agreed. I guess there can be a rotten apple in any bunch no matter the profession.
# 553…with you Suz on the random-debris theory. It’s a local dump site. How are they tying the Gatorade bottle to her? Or the Disney bag? I have to keep thinking about what info they have not released.
Is all this Gatorade stuff smoke and mirrors from LE?
#684-Momof3
NO WAY did I feel any snarkiness! Good heavens, you really don’t want me to get started on my emotiional responses to some of my “esteemed” colleagues but if you read most of my responses, I get verbose and “cut and dry” (a little morgue humor, there!)
My world is the land of fact laced with the emotions generated by behaviors generated by one human being toward another, sometimes those emotions can run rampant but USUALLY held in check! (okay, in real life at work but here and at home….LOOK OUT!)
# 675_LOL Joypath
I figured it out! Not all the specifics, (but sadly when without you, I was left to my own devices) and I did come to the conclusion as to what the results of those tests were, with a layman’s comprehension albeit.
Now, if you ever have time, I can’t find it anywhere…How do we determine chemical differences in human fatty acids vs animal fatty acids? For example, can several large pieces of uncooked/uncured bacon fat (pig) present as adipocere? Since pigs and humans have similar chemical breakdowns, could something like that (a small bit of adipocere) be confused with that of the rotting pig (bacon) fat? Would oleic acid be predominant in the case of the bacon fat?
Maybe that should be left in the trunk of a heated car for a couple of months for comparison….
# 677-wpg
Maybe the chemical composition in the trunk somewhere?
Maybe Casey, Cindy or George sprayed the maggots or coffin flies?
I haven’t read all about the trunk yet, so?
Thanks momof3
#683-ada
My response was in regard to the function of the paid for expert witness. It is my humble opinion as a non-lawyer type that George and Cindy will be regarded as “hostile witnesses” to/by the prosecution. How will they testify?…..under oath and with the previous statements taken under oath as the points of reference, at no time have George and Cindy OR ANYBODY testified TO THE PUBLIC, in the PUBLIC on TV or in print while under oath and being questioned by those conducting interrogations under OATH.
Anybody who knew Casey will have to be presented under oath for a jury to evaluate their words as fact, remember, IN COURT Casey is provided a “clean slate, the mantle of innocent until prooven guilty by the reviewers of the facts, the jury. The jury selection process will include evaluation of prospective jurors regarding the ability to suppress/ignore the material in the public eye and the ability of a prospective juror to make a judgement on ONLY the data presented in court, under oath and judicial review.
mcessence
“Is all this Gatorade stuff smoke and mirrors from LE?”
It’s either in the case, or it’s not. They had to be thorough and test every item surrounding the remains. And that one was close. They haven’t said a single word about what it means or doesn’t mean. So no, it wouldn’t be smoke and mirrors, it was released in the normal course of discovery.
wpgmouse, ok, if you are correct that the reference matches show the top 10 components of the unknown sample, wouldn’t they add up to 100%?
Of course, I’m reading those numbers in the “Match” column as percentages, which they might not be. But in my scenario, the top match (Primol Eko 100) is showing an 83.36% match to the unknown. Not an exact match, but in the ballpark.
I’m basing that in part on this:
Sometimes MS data is presented along with a computer Library Search Report. The PC tries to match the spectrum of your analyte to one of the 50,000 spectra that are stored in the PC MS library. The best fit may (or may not) be your compound. Searching against the WILEY library (published by WILEY), the computer finds the most likely matches and lists them. The degree of similarity between the MS spectrum of an analyte and the spectrum of a known compound in the library is indicated as % Quality. A higher % means a better match. A match quality of >95% indicates good similarity of the library
spectrum to the spectrum of the analyte being evaluated. But you must exercise caution in looking over any library match report. The library may have more than one entry for each compound. In addition, nomenclature used in the library database may not always be the same for each entry or the same as the name that you are expecting.
Whatever happened to the pregnancy test that was also found near the remains and the Disney bag? Was that random trash too?
Tobacco spit? The Crystal Lite Bottle?
Dummy me. I wrongly thought we were discussing a liquid supplied in a dark brown bottle, not a bottle with brown liquid. Duh.
Can’t remember who, a while back on site here, theorized to the contents being the tobacco spit. Feel bad for not remembering your theory all this time and for not looking at it further when you first made you comments. Sorry.
#554 Chicago Judy. I’m with you. Casey knows when she was lying. She kept her family and new friends very well separated so they didn’t compare stories. It took a big juggling act on her part when you consider the Baby-Daddy stories, alone. How many daddies did the child have?
Many in her old group may have suspected something, especially Lauren who baby sat Caylee for free, until she learned the truth about Casey’s non job. Still some in her old group seemed unsure about her and demonstrated naivete’ or at least some gullibility about what Casey was doing.
Recall Casey’s older acquantance who wanted to be an event planner and was going to school to become one. She was amazed and envious that Casey just seemed to step into that job with no degree and no training? What a naif!
Annie said she quit the friendship because of Casey’s lying. I don’t believe Annie on most of her stories. Birds of a feather.
I think Casey was a pretty good liar and when one group put two and two together, Casey knew when to move on. She couldn’t escape her family, but then Cindy needed to believe her tales and wasn’t going to rock any worlds. Lee knew she was lying, but he was an accomplice and seemed to enjoy the games, too. George knew Casey lied and stole, but he was struggling to get his place back in the family and got lambasted by Cindy when he was too agressive about calling Casey out.
Casey just had an exceptional playing field for lying in her family and in her twenty-something friends. As far as we know, few seemed to call her out on anything, but doesn’t mean Casey didn’t know what she was dong.
westside
Amy’s texts http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5103418/Casey-Anthony-Amy-Huizenga-Text-messages-outgoing
P. 1224
“sorry hun, I smoked with Brennen and then looking for money I hid in my sleep”
P. 1234
“Tempted but too stoned to drive”
Blink,
I’m following your logic regarding the gatorade bottle w/syringe with testosterone being a set up or maybe just an incidental finding?? IDK I’ve seen a friend of mine inject insulin and drop her needle in a coke bottle to prevent someone sticking themselves with the needle. This is an acceptable way to dispose of a needle I am told. I can’t tell by the pictures if the needle was still intact with the top capped.
I’ve always thought the detection of what is called chloroform is just a concoction used to clean a crime scene. Maybe KC got a little “CSI” on us with info off of the internet.
I’ve searched chloroform and I don’t think it was used to murder Baby Caylee. My reasons are this; Its main components which are acetone and bleach. Both of these chemicals are used as santitizers. Bleach kills bacteria and acetone is used in hospitals to clean instruments. Both of these are readily available in most homes, even acetone because it’s used in many fingernail polish removers.
I did found a site explaining how it is made and how it is stored.
After reading all of the steps it takes to make chloroform I can’t picture KC (barely a HS grad) going thru all of the steps to make true chloroform. If it was found in a brown glass bottle similiar to a cough medicine bottle it would seem more likely because I read this is the best way to store it. Even when stored in glass, it decomposes in a week.
That being said, I think what was found in the gatorade bottle w/syringe is similiar to something that was made up with “cleaning a crime scene in mind”. Maybe the syringe was used to get into the small spots or as you have pointed out, a set up.
Whatever the case is, I just can’t wrap my mind around all of the hoopla about chloroform being the weapon or playing any part in this crime unless its just a red herring to throw LE off.
westsidehudson
“# 677-wpg
Maybe the chemical composition in the trunk somewhere?
Maybe Casey, Cindy or George sprayed the maggots or coffin flies?
I haven’t read all about the trunk yet, so?”
But LE had the car and its contents back in July. And they did not remove pesticides from the A’s home until the December discovery of little Caylee. That’s why I wonder if it was something from the crime scene that prompted the search and removal of the pesticides.
chica,
Could it be that the defense is quiet as it’s busy reading here to see where to go next, or not go next??!
The defense is probably awaiting the judge’s decision re: motions to dismiss, then I’d guess we will once again hear from them. And maybe they aren’t saying anything until they figure out what the heck they are going to say?