Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released
Orlando, FL– The State Attorney’s Office is set to release 1000 additional pages of discovery this morning of previously unseen evidence in the case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie.
Sources within the SA’s office speaking on the condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com say the new information is largely FBI reports.
The release comes on the heels of new motions filed by the defense this week.
Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon, defense counsel for Casey Anthony filed a motion alleging double jeopardy violation in the upcoming fraud case, a reply to the states motion to preclude death procedures and yet another motion to dismiss. A hearing date has not yet been set by Judge Strickland’s office.
blinkoncrime.com will be posting the latest round of discovery as soon as it becomes available. Please check back for updates.
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The girlfriend of Casey Anthony’s brother is being questioned by prosecutors this morning at the State Attorney’s Office.
Mallory Parker’s deposition was scheduled to begin at 9 a.m.
She is dating Lee Anthony, who has already been questioned by prosecutors
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-casey-anthony-brother-girlfriend-20091112,0,6336375.story
Blink #204 (in regard to Gina’s post about latent prints at trial and not before …)
“About fingerprints, my understanding is that the latent prints may never be released with a document dump. The information of Casey’s partial prints may not be revealed until the start of trial.”
But is that legal? I thought the law required BOTH sides of the fence to release anything involved with the case that they had before trial so the other side could potentially use it if needed to convict or defend the client. How would the State be able to hold onto a bombshell like that until trial? Are you saying it may be released “privately” in discovery to the defense but not released to the public before trial so as not to possibly “taint” the jury? That would make sense I guess, but not withholding it completely until then, from Baez and everyone else on Casey’s defense teams. Am I missing something here?
It would be released to the defense of course, but If it is integral to the case, you wont see it before trial under some of the exclusions to the sunshine law.
B
In an earlier post, someone asked about the adipocere and whether it could be non-human (including pigs, dogs and deer). Beginning on page 6563, there is analysis of the decomposition evidence in the trunk, “Chemical extraction…shown adipocere consistent with human decomposition…”
Suz- According to Diane Fannings book- Geo didn’t really want or need anything specific from Casey’s car. He noticed she was aggitated when he hurridly ran through the house collecting some belongings and brought up the stolen gas cans to her and got the feeling from her response that she might have them. He wanted to actually look in the trunk to see if the cans were there but in an attempt to not call her a thief- he said he wanted the chocks (or whatever they are called)instead. He walked quickly to her car but she whizzed by him (not wanting him to see or smell anything) and just threw the gas cans at him and said- here they are!
#221 Blink
“Alternatively, this same scenario (intentional drowning) occurs the afternoon of 6/16.”
B
Blink .. you lost me there. If you’re suspecting Casey drowned Caylee in the bathtub the evening of the 15th after the fight with Cindy (assuming Cindy had already left the house here after the fight), then how can the above occur the night after as well. Sorry for the brain cramp here .. I’m sure I’m just misunderstanding something so asking for more clarification because I’m not sure I completely get what you’re referring to here. Please clarify.
In regard to the bathtub scenario, I must say that never even really crossed my mind but could very well make sense. I really don’t remember Cindy telling Casey to run Caylee’s bath though … what I do remember is Cindy saying in interviews, she and Caylee were in the pool and Caylee got cold so Casey took her out and took her into the house which always seemed kinda odd anyway … I mean, it was June 15th in FL and not really all that late yet, right? Isn’t it still fairly warm in Orlando at that time in June????
Justice, I am saying the exact time cannot be confirmed, it is either 6/15 eve or 6/16 afternoon
B
#753_ada
Thanks, I believe that I have read all of that. I was looking for some expert help, or scholars papers. Pigs and humans are very similar in decomp. I wanted to know about comparisons of pig fat, ie bacon. I have a suspicion that it will be a point brought up by the defense. Also since the paper towels were in the garbage bag and not directly in the trunk, they will no doubt say that the garbage was contaminated from the dumpster (that the Amscott guy threw it in).
#751_soulsister or anyone
Have we ever seen an interview with Mallory? I don’t think so, or remember.
Suz, I think it would be a hard stretch to think an ‘oilpan’ would be taken off a car and put in a trunk. At least not in the term as used for a part of a car. A container for collecting oil from draining the oilpan, is portable and would have no purpose in the trunk with carpeting.
The oilpan is the lowest part of the engine of the car– whatever a car gets driven over on bad roads, or ‘off road’, is bound to hit the oilpan first. That’s why, if someone drives over rocks and debris with a low slung car, and the engine seizes up — you don’t have to get out to know you have just hit your oilpan and lost all your engine oil. So, if someone scrapes plants or soil or scrapes the oilpan with branches etc, that’s the first place that will be hit/scraped. There could be evidence attached to the low parts. scrapes, as on the shovel. It might also indicate that this little sports style car, was driven off pavement a ways and may have a telltale sign of where that might have happened. Maybe the car was backed right to the embankment of that swamp (how not to get too far back?– you have a second person, OR, you simply put a barrier there to mark how far to go back– like a couple pavers, or use what’s there.
This brings up a good point– backing the Sunfire off the road, would be done at an angle or not perpendicular to Suburban, most practically. There were few people there to see, and if there were passer’s by, you could see their approach along the road itself. ‘Angle’ at most, to be sure the rear wheels were not going to drop down to risk hanging up the vehicle, with the need to call a tow truck. Could not risk that. Casey would know about ‘wheel chocks’. The Sunfire trunk has a low designed rear opening. The extra laundry bag (rectangular) from the Anthony home was found in the car, wasn’t it? That would make carrying the whole package so much easier– pulling it out of the trunk by the top handles, dropping onto the ground, dragging then tossing it over into the swamp (maybe fracturing something, or disarticulating something, like a long bone, fracturing an end if not already disjointed/fractured from the efforts to get the packaged moved from backyard to car).
IF that laundry bag found in the car (front passenger seat?) was used in this manner, the polyester fibres would be tough, but would show microscopic scraping, maybe even be a wealth of soil information, or pollen, or other trapped particles. How well was it cleaned when it was returned to the Anthony home? What did that label say for ‘washing instructions’– IIRC, it ‘may’ have stated not tomachine wash, but would have to check.
Mariann, thanks, yes, that was definitely a ruse on Georgie’s part. He still has some cop moves in him, lol. Ah, there it is on pg 143 of Fanning’s book—in this version, Geo tells her that he wants to rotate the tires, but Fanning doesn’t necessarily get everything quite right, and I think the nice fellow tends to change his stories as he recollects them. It’s not really an important point, of course, since it was just an excuse to get near the trunk. (Or an excuse to establish that he HAD been near the trunk, if you subscribe to the theory that his police report was fishy.)
#755
I am sorry to have given you information that you already had. Wouldn’t bacon, sausage, pepperoni, etc., from the pizza or garbage also have chemicals that would be involved with the curing of the meat, food coloring or preservatives that would be lacking in human decomposition?
Kleat, I think that LE used the wrong term when they noted that they had taken and swabbed the “oil pan”—which I am assuming is an oil DRAIN pan, used to do oil changes—from the south shed.
The rectangular laundry bag was found in the garage on the topmost of three shelves (I think above the washer and dryer), inside a black plastic garbage bag with red handles, if I am not mistaken. (other bags up there had yellow handles and contained pet carriers and such.) No evidence has been released showing that the rectangular bag was in the car, and the police definitely found it in the garage, I believe on Dec. 12. The mysterious thing about the bag is that one fbi report (from the 1305 page doc dump, I think) lists it under “ITEMS FROM VEHICLE” or something like that. Some folks think that might mean something (aha! does the fbi know it had been in the trunk???) but I think that same report actually gives a wrong date, so I think it was just carelessness or someone making an assumption.
That’s the same thing i noticed about the oil pan and gas cans–they were taken from the shed, but the fbi listed them as items from vehicle.
Blink, do you find it odd upon review, (though not at the time, with stressed grandparents) that Cindy referred to the missing time twice as ‘after the 14th, or ‘the week of the 14th’ as she talked to Scott Bolin (tape 2 or 3 at wftv)?
From what we know about how Cindy knows every date, and if she makes a slip, she corrects, she demands the same from anyone questioning her or she lets them know their mistake– this seems, in retrospect, to be unusual for Cindy.
‘The week of’… usually refers to the start of the week and on, or the date within that week. Sunday, the 15th is the first day of the week, the 16th was when the Anthony version of events start, so why would Cindy say the 14th, not once, but twice?
And the 8th/9th scenario still bothers me for the simple fact that (as stated by Cindy in this same section of her FBI chat) that Casey had stayed with Caylee, over at Ricardo’s place on the 9th. There is more of a reason of the ‘slip’ of the 8th/9th, not that this was the time Casey left ‘for good’, but because Casey did not come home with Caylee. Some reason this ‘week early’ date stuck in Cindy’s mind, if for no other reason, than something bothered her about where Casey was with Caylee and her leaving ‘the week before’ the missing time. (nothing to do with the timeline of ‘missing’ of course, but what did the parents suspect, why did Casey say her mother called her to return Caylee home– and where did Caylee go, if not home (as per Cindy– never happened then or another time)? You can not go shove your child in a car until daylight and activities start around an apartment complex– unless the child is sure to be quiet, to be sure to not wander around in the car, and sure to not be visible. Where was she taken to?
thanks suz!
Whatever happened to the gas can that Amy bought at Target at Casey’s request? Maybe there was a gas can in Casey’s car.
Bacon is cured — so lots of salts in it. How would parts of uncured pork fat get into the trunk of Casey’s car? Not on the pizza– flies might be attracted to the pizza crust, smells, but not the same flies that are drawn specifically to other odours. (say, maybe those specific fly species are attracted by ‘magic’– we can’t see how they distinguish between one chemical and another– must be ‘JUNK’ science that WILL fly!!!)
ada
I wasn’t being snarky. I hope you didn’t take it that way.
Yes, but there is also uncured bacon. Also as we’ve learned, different chemicals can be purposefully made and used in different products and for different purposes and some can be the result of decomp, ie chloroform. If they argue contamination from the dumpster, who knows what they will say. Butyric acid is a component of rancid butter. Some beetles will emit oleic acid when dead. Oleic acid can be found in pigs and plant sources. Yes, there were a multitude of other chemicals similar to human decomp, I just don’t know how far it will go. Collectively they tell a compelling story. Separate them, and you have confusion.
It was of particular interest to me, I can’t say why. But I don’t think that we should be worried about this. Again, because the circumstances themselves, such as abandoning the car and implicating a smell before the discovery, are strong enough to pass the reasonable doubt test. Plus, we do not have all the pieces yet.
wsh– hmmm…. good point, I see what you are getting at, but where would someone buy that in regular Orlando supermarkets? Maybe, as with other bacons, it’s called something different in the USA than here. (like ‘Canadian Bacon’ (the meat, not the movie) is only a USA name for side bacon– we can’t figure out why though
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suz, gotcha. I wasn’t keeping up with that. Maybe it’s another change in terminology too– good thing we don’t still use boot and hood!
oh, forget the ‘hood’ part– boot and spanner maybe.
THANK YOU wpg and Blink. (wpg I will continue to look for the “roll of weed barrier” comment, thank you)
I found the LINK to the official document where Sgt Allen found the soil disturbed, and Bloise and Vincent found 4-5 areas of interest in the Anthony back yard.
http://blogs.discovery.com/files/18530237.pdf
ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE
FORENSICS SECTION
REPORT OF CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION
July 16, 2008
Sgt Allen observed soil disturbed at 4937 Hopespring Dr
CSI-II Gerardo Bloise and ASL Vincent searched also
pg 5- 7 of 43 PDF
Marker # 1 – soil disturbed – behind the swimming pool – 12″ wide x 5″ deep
Brought in cadaver dogs – paid special interest to the playground area and surrounding area near the play house.
Marker # 2 – Play ground description – plastic play house – underneath the play house there were twenty five pieces of square concrete. The concrete square area was 6’ x 6’. This area was marked as area # 2.
Cadaver dog brought in for second search – showed interest in three areas in the backyard. The first one was the ground that was checked by OCSO dog (Marker # 2) near the play house. The second one was the portion of the ground located near the screened patio porch located on the south side of the residence. This area was marked as Marker # 3. The third area was the portion of the ground located on the east side of the play ground area. This area was marked as Marker # 4.
ASL Vincent checked markers 1, 2, 3 for human remains, with negative results.
Det. Dave Clarke observed a suspected area located on the west side of the backyard. Marked as Marker # 5. That area check, with negative results.
First layer of ground located at marker # 4 was removed to continue the search for any possible human remains.
Not the trunk, Kleat, the dumpster. No way to account for what is in there, no way to account if anything came out of there and was scooped into the bag.
I’m not saying I agree, or believe this. I’m saying there is an opening for diversion and confusion to attempt reasonable doubt.
Garbage in the dumpster plus garbage in the bag from the trunk could have co-mingled, that will be my guess on that.
Blink, Baez complained about the state’s failure to provide discovery to the defense as part of their responsibility. Of course he was attacking to save his own face for his own defense team failures to support Todd Mac’s statements of proof of innocence re: the arguments for the TES records at a prior hearing.
We don’t have everything made public, but do you think by now, the defense has ALL the state has to offer, including all inculpatory evidence? Without that, how could the defense be expected to negotiate? (and of course, it’s reciprocal– Feb 1st… they’ve bought themselves that much time to figure out the next move).
I think they have most, but possible since the focus is shifted for the fraud case, in could cut the state some leeway in that regard.
B
(guess what I am asking is, will the state hold back inculpatory evidence, as it should have something to try to pry the defense’s hand loose of it’s own reciprocal evidence?) Could end in a stalemate if allowed to continue.)
Can’t believe this, just reported, is true–
Quoting Daniel Dahm, a ‘clickorlando’ reporter, noon EST today in ‘Lee Anthony’s Girlfriend Deposed’
“Detectives never formally interviewed Parker.”
REALLY?? That makes NO sense at all, Mr. Dahm!
(Ms. Parker was in ‘command’ of the Anthony home at one critical time when Sgt. Allen and his team served a search warrant, she had access to the locked Anthony home, she is a confident of Lee Anthony, she has no legal immunity as related to Lee. And she knew Caylee and Casey and personally observed their relationship, she was possibly in the presence of Casey when she was home on bond, she may have touched things in the Anthony home– oops– what, no fingerprints taken from her, no questions asked about what scraps of paper she may have tossed out, or even if she ever heard the name Zenaida prior to July 16th last year?… and on and on. And, how does lack of a public document, audio or video published by media, suggest to the WDBO reporter that there was never an interview done? )
#756 Westside
Interesting to see what Mallory has to say about the situation. She has been one of the closest people to this family. I can’t believe LE never interviewed her before… they seemed to talk to everyone else who knew Casey. How long do think it will take for this interview to be released?
Yes, I just questioned that earlier about Mallory. I don’t remember ever seeing her transcript from LE. I had assumed I was absent minded, or that it wasn’t released for some reason.
Kleat,
uncured bacon=joel (slang name)bacon in the midwest. It is commonly found in all grocery stores and is located near the cured bacon.
Now then, something I can talk about with knowledge is FOOD.
I am enjoying reading.
kp
Thanks Blink! (re: discovery)
An aside– interesting ‘Bob Kealing’ choice of words in his video report about today’s depo– he used the word ‘frame’ in reference to the state preparing how to ‘frame’ it’s case against Casey. Oops… there’s a great boost for the defense if you take out a couple less noticeable words in that phrase.
In regards to the book “The Shack” I have some information but for the life of me can’t remember in what context I read or heard it. I think it was in an interview with Cindy she said that a friend had dropped off a book for Casey and her to read that helped them a great deal- I believe she was referring to this book Does anyone else remember this? Hey any lurkers remember this?
I find it very strange that Mallory was never interviewed also. Especially after a coworker of hers supposedly retold the story that she believed Caylee was dead long before little Caylee was found.
I have uncured bacon (from a farmer’s market) in my freezer. Of course, I am probably an oddball, as I bought a whole pork belly off a farmer near my friend’s farm to cure and smoke my own bacon (which I did—good stuff, if not a labor of love). Canadian bacon is not made from pork belly but from the back, and thus is more lean. (I’m a big smoker o’meats—canadian bacon was my first attempt at bacon, cuz pork belly is not easy to find).
Nevertheless, i seem to recall that some of the lab reports sort of compared the trunk decomp to various animal decomp–didn’t they? Kind of like the “matches” in the gatorade bottle et al. Shoot, I am sure I saw it, well, 99% sure. Will have to go look if it doesn’t ring a bell with others.
oooh, kleat! boot and hood and bonnet I know, but what pray tell is a spanner?? That’s a new one for me!
suz:
I thought the oil change pan was taken in December along with a second round of gas cans.
Kleat:
Did you read posts 740 and 741?
westsidehudson:
Blink:
double
for your confession
kleat, I did read those. Did you read #730?
page 3220 http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0121/18530290.pdf swabs of gas cans and oil pan came from items in the south shed on Hopespring Dr.
Says Friday, August 1, 2008 is when the oil pan swabs were taken.
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — A new voicemail obtained by Eyewitness News is causing new questions in
the Case against Casey Anthony.
Casey Anthony’s mother Cindy left the message for one of the main detectives on the case several in
July.
The voicemail appears to contradict everything Cindy has said for months and what she repeated during
a national TV interview on Wednesday.
On the message, Cindy Anthony tried to emphasize that she was trying to help the investigation.
“I’m very sorry because I’ve been more backwards than anybody else in this investigation,” Cindy
Anthony said.
Cindy also tried to show investigators a photo that she claimed may have been at the mysterious
baby-sitter’s apartment. She said it might help them find the sitter.
But it is at the end of the voicemail message that Cindy says something startling. She almost admits she
believes Casey had something to do with her own daughter’s disappearance.
“Casey had to have help, no matter what the scenario might be, so there are people who know that
information,” Cindy Anthony said.
ada, they did take amy’s gas can, but I don’t have the discovery page # at my fingertips.
ada, page 3619 http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740700/detail.html
They took amy’s 2 gallon gas can on 12/15/2008
suz, spanner is a wrench, thx for the explanation– only a ‘pro curer’ would know all that!!
(j/k of course on the pun)
wpg– not sure, will look
whoops, kleat, nevermind about post #730, that was wpgmouse talking to you, not you talking to me. i was confooosed.
#786 suz Found it. Thanks. Have you seen anything in any of those reports about those little plastic animals, maybe horses? I remember hearing about it but I don’t think I’ve seen it in any discovery.
Ok, to add to my confusion– I thought from reports, that on December 11th, reporters witnessed Mallory Parker arrive at the Anthony home before police arrived, then she spent 10 minutes inside before handing the house over to detectives.
I checked a SM article with a link, but the link no longer works as to the specific reference. But today’s report at clickorlando shows at the beginning, video of Mallory getting out of her car, police around her, Sgt Allen leads the way to the Anthony front door, and then Sgt Allen and Mallory are seen having some discussion.
So– did Mallory arrive before police, or did she arrive while police were there to greet her at her vehicle before she got out? Did she then enter the home and to do what, before the police were allowed to enter– just take care of the dogs? If so, why didn’t an officer enter with her, or did that happen?
Question– was Mallory really ever alone in the home that day before or after police arrived?
link– see beginning
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/21596251/index.html
Ok, maybe she showed up, went through the garage into the home, then according to one blog source that looks like a report on the day, she was inside the home for some minutes, then a deputy went to the door, Mallory answered the door, she then went into her vehicle and sat.
Maybe this is where that news report starts– with Mallory having already been inside the home, asked to leave, then she leaves her car to speak at the front door of the Anthony home, out of earshot of the reporters who must not have parabola mics.
Then, does she enter again? Maybe to get her purse, or bag? Is there already an officer inside the home by this point?
What was the ‘complete’ sequence of events that is so confused by cutting video sections into reports?
kleat, a wrench—thanks, how interesting! Does that work in British English, too?
ada, i do recall seeing a little plastic horse found at the remains site (scroll through the fascinating doc at the link below to find it, it’s in there somewhere) but the only other toy I recall two barbie doll legs (one whole, one broken) http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740668/detail.html pg 3434
It’s a fascinating rundown of the trash at the scene. I bet it was pristine when they finished; i wonder what it looks like now.
#537 dddeerma
” … so that pretty much means that the body was in the trunk for a relatively short time. I guess it goes along with what the evidence from the FBI is saying. For some odd reason, it really bothers me that Caylee was just put in the trunk and laid there for several days.”
That’s actually something that’s been bugging me for a very long time and one that not one person in their interviews (or LE has ever asked in them to my knowledge) has ever discussed.
If Caylee’s body was in fact in Casey’s car from the 15/16th onward, until she was removed a few days or several days later, why didn’t anyone else ever notice the smell coming from her car after-the-fact? From everything I’ve read and heard, I would guess especially in the FL heat, it wouldn’t take long for the smell to begin, let alone to become terrible and free-floating. Where did Casey park her car all those days before abandoning it at the Amscot while she partied with friends, etc that not ONE person seemed to have noticed a strange smell coming from that car trunk??? Not one! With as many people as she was around at times and apartment complexes having lots of cars/people in and out and all around the parking lot at any given time, I am still in amazement that not ONE human saw or smelled anything out of the ordinary enough to question or comment on it in their interviews with LE. And why were there no questions to any of the potential players from LE regarding it was well? Anyone else see that as odd? Where was Casey’s car parked exactly from the 16th onward while she was with Tony, out at Fusians partying late at night, etc??? Have we ever had this question answered????
Joypath, I so want to believe you, that there are many possible scenarioes leading to a soft kill, but where I have a problem is the fetal position in the trunk. I think Caylee put herself in that position as she was dying. I can’t see Casey placing her in that position ~ doesn’t make sense. Unless the stain was made while Caylee was alive but that doesn’t make sense either.
Hi all,
Googling for chloroform, this link for a Google Book is listed. The book, called “Artificial Anaesthesia”, was written in 1896, but still has a load of info on Chloroform, it’s effects, and how to administer it. Among the more interesting tidbits – an after effect of chloroform is the “patient” has no memory of the events surrounding when it was taken, and that it’s suggested to mix the chloroform with pure Ethel Alcohol to make the fumes “safer”.
The link from Google is http://books.google.com/books?id=tqeQcb5ddXwC&pg=PA532&lpg=PA532&dq=chloroformhabit&source=bl&ots=6FyNLs1La3&sig=hg8VQsA6vQkM10JiJ_4oHtyQCNg&hl=en&ei=e2L7SqLqIYTGsQP0-4iFAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=&f=false
and the URL for the general overview of the book (where you can also download a PDF of it) is http://books.google.com/books?id=tqeQcb5ddXwC&dq=chloroformhabit&source=gbs_navlinks_s
and of course, clicking on the “related books” link, produces a whole slew of books on anethesia, almost all published arund the turn of the century http://books.google.com/books?q=related:02iObajV_VRVFPhljsdM&id=tqeQcb5ddXwC&source=gbs_similarbooks_r&cad=2
#738 suz
“page 3220 http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0121/18530290.pdf swabs of gas cans and oil pan came from items in the south shed on Hopespring Dr.
Says Friday, August 1, 2008 is when the oil pan swabs were taken.”
Thanks suz.
with the LE retrieval of the pesticides in December.
Looks like I got the oil drain pan confoosed
I read your #730 post (even though you addressed it to Kleat. I don’t know why, but I originally thought the oil change pan was taken from the trunk of the car – - not because of this “vehicle” category listing though – - it was something else that I read placing it in CA’s trunk, not just the “vehicle”.
And then, when “I thought” it was removed in December from the A’s home, I thought, strange, thought it was sitting in the car trunk so who took it out and put it in the shed.
Going to have to check this out. If the pan and the 2 cans were returned to the A’s August 13, but the 2 cans were retrieved again in December, maybe the pan went in for a second round of testing.
Or I’m just wrong, period.
A spanner is a wrench, but in British venacular it is the “wrench” that is in your car to take the lug nuts off the tire — a ring spanner.
Baez comments about the syringe/gatorade bottle today: (report at Fox35)
“It’s insignificant. You can find that amount those chemicals in tap water so I think as everything else in this case it was blown way out of proportion it make a good headline and got everyone excited about it, but it didn’t do a whole lot more than that.”
So— WAS THERE TAP WATER IN THOSE CHEMICALS?? If so, is this consistent with Orlando tap water? Wonder what Disney visitors with children think about visiting Orlando theme parks with this news?!!
Now we may know where Pipitone got his idea to go the ‘tap water’ route in his report, could it be Baez flunkies feeding him tidbits if he jumps through their hoops better than the little Grace’s Beagle??
Raw interview with Baez today: http://www.wftv.com/video/21599176/index.html
yep– he talked about the report on the chloroform as Pipitone talked about– ‘tap water’!! Surprise!!
Pipitone isn’t unbaezed.