Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released
Orlando, FL– The State Attorney’s Office is set to release 1000 additional pages of discovery this morning of previously unseen evidence in the case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie.
Sources within the SA’s office speaking on the condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com say the new information is largely FBI reports.
The release comes on the heels of new motions filed by the defense this week.
Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon, defense counsel for Casey Anthony filed a motion alleging double jeopardy violation in the upcoming fraud case, a reply to the states motion to preclude death procedures and yet another motion to dismiss. A hearing date has not yet been set by Judge Strickland’s office.
blinkoncrime.com will be posting the latest round of discovery as soon as it becomes available. Please check back for updates.
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Of course, even if the November area was completely clear of surface water, and the ‘muck’ was dry enough to walk on (vs ‘boot sucking’ conditions, TES was evaluating not just small areas that might be dry enough to search, but the whole ‘block’ of green, because when they send teams in, they don’t just pick and chose little dry areas, and hop over to the next dry area– it’s searched methodically, so even if the actual remains area could have been dry enough to walk on, the area was not in a condition to put searchers into as they could not see what they were walking or driving on top of, nor what crime scene they might destroy blindly.
Hi #843 Addie, Welcome. I will try to answer your questions.
Blink has always theorized that Cindy found something in the yard during the July 3/4th holiday weekend that prompted her to seriously look for Casey/Caylee. It could have been various disturbances in the yard or perhaps she/ they discoved the landscaped pavers were disturbed under the playhouse along with the dirt and weed barrier underneath the pavers. Maybe some special article of Caylee’s was found laying in the yard such as her bear. Or maybe she knew Casey was just flat out lying. At any rate this is not confirmed.
I personally do not believe that Caylee’s body was found by George and Cindy . I believe Caylee was placed on Surburban Drive somewhere between June 18 and the 24 by Casey.
As to the pavers on Surburban Drive. Dominick Casey said the pychic (Jeanett Lucas) told him to look for pavers when looking for Caylee. Dominick Casey did search near some pavers on Suburban but it was not in the same location as Caylee was found.
Surburban Drive was riddled with Building Block cement type pavers not the same type of pavers found under the playhouse. In fact I believe when LE was collecting evidence from the remains site, LE said to stop counting the “pavers” as they were all over the place. There were pavers near the site where Caylee was found but they were not the same type of pavers that were under the playhouse.
Yes George did lay a concrete slab that weekend but I believe it connected somehow to the existing patio and house. Not the playhouse.
Although I do remember a reporter asking Cindy if she replaced any pavers in the yard and her response was “We are always doing something in the yard”
As I am typing this I remember a stuffed animal or toy that was found in the shed that Cindy said she had never seen before. I find that odd. Cindy seems to know where and what every item is in that house and garage. I wonder now just what that was exactly.
Hope I helped Addie. If I am wrong don’t worry somebody will correct me.
And yes Cindy rules
Yup,kleat, same thing I think (but in lots more detail, lol)
They’ll use him to try to disprove any defense allegations that the area was dry and the body wasn’t put there until november
SuzeeB~
It says in the book that Cindy found a Teddy Bear in the shed that had been broken into and found that really odd.
Steadychick, I’m betting the state will be lining up the chemists to deal with the backyard soil samples. I wonder how much they have, if anything, after the backyard renos and concrete slab laying– could it be though, that instead of covering up as the main purpose, that the yard work was a ‘cover’ for the thorough ‘scrubbing/searching’ of the backyard by the grannie and gramps?
# WSH, perfectly okay on the name thing. I abbreviate yours all the time!
Bingo, on the meeting with the grandparents at the grad ceremony being like Casey’s long walk down the Universal Hall. Like mother, like daughter. Just brazen it out. I keep thinking that they would have had to return all the grad presents including grad money from relatives. The grandparents did keep mum, though. A lot of role playing in that family, it appears.
Not only was Casey troublesome back in HS, Cindy wasn’t looking very closely then, either. Maybe comes from years of practice. Cindy didn’t want to know. I thought it was very odd that Casey couldn’t have just walked through graduation with her class and then made up the one-half credit. I’ve seen this done more than once!
Cindy had another word she used for the truth. “Half truths”. Remember, Cindy also saying, “When Casey lies, she always tells the truth.” Very odd definitions of veracity! It’s a game and one has to guess the clues, even when you know your grandaughter is in peril. Utter flim-flam.
#836 – suz – I have often wondered the same thing. Caylee was no longer around to tie her down. Why didn’t Casey go to P.R. with her friends? Did she have unfinished business that she needed to take of in regards to the disposal of evidence? Maybe she couldn’t cut and run yet as there was still things to do. Perhaps it was the simple explaination that she had no money, but she never let that stop her before.
Oh my gosh, Kleat and Suz! I’ve been away for a few days and come back to read about the possibility of a mistrial? May it never be so! Given another year or more the Anthony’s could come up with some crazy who would say she was Zanny, and who would take the rap. Our prisons are not void of such people. Also, the thought just occurred to me that as quickly as the state establishes the fact that the Anthony’s aren’t credible, and which will be pretty darn quickly, I would assume they will be impeached and that will end that, and whatever hopes Baez had of pulling on the heartstrings of the jury via the poor, suffering parents of the accused will be dashed. Which reminds me, has anyone, as yet, asked George and Cindy what THEY did with Caylee’s body after THEY retrieved the car from Amscot, inasmuch as it is that they have so often alleged that her body was placed in the trunk AFTER Casey abandoned the car?
Also, as for J.Jawitz (J.J.) I would suppose (and this is just my opinion, I am no expert. I just have to live here and deal with such things) that he will testify as to the ground/water conditions. I expect to hear about subsurface water tables and layers/plates of limestone and coral, at varying intervals which affect the water levels and flow, as well as run off, saturation levels in particular areas, and even evaporation.
That wooded area wouldn’t be much different than our own neighborhood, some of which floods terribly, while other areas don’t, all depending upon how much water is how far beneath the surface, and how it’s flowing through the limestone and coral plates. Shifting the flow can result in horrendous to minute sink holes.
Now he might address the soil in determining how long it was actually saturated, and perhaps even to determine if there was soil from the Anthony’s back yard found in the soil from the wooded area. But I think his prime objective is to prove the area was too flooded to search, even if there was less than a foot of water remaining, here and there. Beneath even a few inches of muck, you just can’t tell where the ground’s caved in. Tim made the right call, and I think J.J.’s expert testimony will reflect that. Even considering how Casey was dressed when he went out into the wooded area indicates to me he wouldn’t have gotten any where any area that was still wet, and in not doing so, he wouldn’t have found Caylee.
Have a great evening,
Gavi
Sue, is it possible that the whole PR ‘set up’ from Casey’s perspective– she did the travel arrangements on her computer, friends apparently bought their own tickets, but Casey did a certain amount of arranging, on the premise that she too, would be going along.
Why do we believe that Casey planned to go, or ‘wanted’ to go on this particular trip? It does seem that way– but who do we know this from, Casey’s own IM’s or texts? Casey as told to Amy?
The ‘think about it mom, I was giving you clues’ — did Casey really want to go with Ricardo? (by then, stupidhead), or Amy? Or JP Chatt who apparently did not like Casey? Could it be that JP said ‘no’ to Casey on the trip? He, afterall, is the Puerto Rico ‘real life’ connection, and who better than people Casey has stolen from, maybe people into drugs (Amy– the ‘cash’ taken, then another 80 in towing charges for Casey’s DUI two tire crash, never paid back, so why not keep stealing from Amy.
Did Casey really want to leave as she called it, ‘my house’? Was the promise of a place to live for Amy sharing ‘Casey’s house’, another reason for Amy to be ticked off for what were simply lies and false promises, and then Amy was getting a new car after the accident, Casey was to drive her to Jacksonville
so that she could get it– Casey made up another lie about George and the ‘mini-strokes’.
Did Casey really ache to go on the PR holiday? WHY were the tickets for different flights as Cindy said to FBI, makes no sense to her because if you are flying somewhere for a holiday with friends, it’s natural to book the seats together. That is strange– I didn’t think about this before, thinking (at that time that this could be explained if it was necessary) could be different schedules for ability to leave school/work etc, and it could have been that the return flight for Ricardo would have been different if he was making a connecting flight). The group was all from Orlando, so no complications of everyone flying in from other cities, this is a new venture for Casey and yes, you do want to arrive in a strange place WITH your group of friends, not be standing alone for a taxi, not sharing taxi fares to your hotel, sharing a ride to and from the airport.
Casey had input into the ticketing schedule– whether the friends decided to change their tickets later, don’t know, but she did have initial planning, while her friends were all thinking she too, was part of the group.
Casey had a pattern of making plans, not just for a night in the sack, or teasing her bf’s, then cancelling, she also made promises that she would go along on other events, not just Amy’s new car pick up, but there was a date with a male friend who actually booked a helicopter ride for their date– Casey didn’t show nor was she considerate enough to tell him in time to cancel the expensive sightseeing ride.
Did Casey want to fly at all? Or was there some other reason she would be in control of people’s plans, even costly plans, then decide not to show, or would she have no intention of participating when she allowed people to make plans or rely on her– and if so, why?
There is one other question that was alluded to sometime, somewhere, that by the time Cindy did the ‘A-home tour’ for Greta and her cameras, Casey’s bedroom furniture had been re-arranged. Perhaps simply a better approach visually for the camera presentation– walking in with more floorspace if the bed were not so in the way.
And with no speculation of some sort to cover up anything, I’m wondering why there seems to be a difference from the arrangement we see in the search warrant photos, to that of Greta’s interview ‘view’.
I have a thought that if this was the case, that the bedroom was rearranged possibly for Casey and Tracy to share the room more easily– this makes sense.
For the big Fox media taping with Greta and if the bed and room furniture had been rearranged, it was likely put back into a position that Cindy described for Casey and Caylee always sleeping together in that queen-sized bed. Cindy explained how Casey wanted Caylee in bed with her, and resisted Cindy’s suggestion that she should start to sleep in her own bed, that this shows the great bond Casey has with her baby, to always keep her in bed with her, even to three years of age. Cindy went on to explain the safety precautions, the pillows used against the wall etc, when Caylee was an infant and that it was just easiest to keep the baby in bed from Casey’s viewpoint, as she was feeding her, and that was convenient.
Was this proof of the great bond Casey had with Caylee, her baby, from nursing new mom, through three years of age? Was this needed, from Cindy’s perspective, to hope to create the bond through this closeness and if so, why would she think this? (helping Casey to bond, or for Caylee’s benefit because Casey needed that extra help to have a normal emotional bond with her baby?)
Gavi, I think that too many are working deliberately and extra-patiently to be sure there is no mistrial in this case.
A documentary, which will be online later, discussed an adolescent killer. I did not watch the program, but caught the last part where someome commented on friends and aquaintences of impression of this being such a normal boy, was commented on as ‘clues were there if you looked’. One statement about the common traits of this type of person (no labels) was that often it is ‘IDEAS that drive the young person’s behaviour, rather than EMOTIONS driving the behaviour’.
There was also a contradictory statement as to what we have come to think of Casey, being very comfortable with her body, her use of her ‘great smile’, her body etc. What could be about Casey, who seemed so almost over-the top with her self-image of beauty and the perfect 10 that might underlie this, and maybe point to some aspect of her body that she was NOT comfortable with.
If anything, there might be a clue in Casey, as her mother repeatedly suggested, was Casey being a ‘little girl’, hardly so many pounds soaking wet, as she talked about Casey’s pregnancy, then talked about the 140 lb blonde woman, 5 7′ tall, overpowering Casey at Blanchard Pk.
Casey herself made some remark about being short, and she also made remarks comparing how Caylee was growing to almost as big as she was.
Could it be that Casey’s physical attribute of being small, tiny, not usually of terrible concern to a young petite, popular with the boys, adolescent, with a very attractive ‘smile’– she wasn’t short and dumpy by any means, but in high school (grade 9), Cindy said she went through a chubby stage of some sort– that might have been part of this developing self-image that Casey then outgrew or cause to change. But maybe it bothered Casey enough to bring down her self-image and to cause her to work even harder, at the ’10′ image for herself. She could never have been the model in front of the camera, she could only be the photographer.
Just a thought–
kleat, from the mounds of photos we’ve seen, seems like casey was way better looking than her friends, so i don’t know if she would have had a terribly bad self image lookswise—nor was she camera shy at all. and alot of those fusian photos were promotional, like a model would do. i think most gals would be happy to be petite little things like casey. shoot, maybe i am not getting your point.
jwg once pointed out that timer55 seemed to refer to the PR trip (rather than being nanny-related)—whatever date the password was changed was 55 days before the trip—but i have never actually tried to verify that. But are right, how on earth can you tell what that gal is/was really thinking when you can’t go by what she says.
(ok, the future documentary discussed in past tense– cross off that first sentence, prior post– it said what it meant, but didn’t mean what it said!
Kleat, I just wanted to say thanks for always posting your thoughts. Post 862 I agree the way they (she and Cindy) spoke of Casey being like a little girl. I remember the comment you are referring to was during a jail visit and Cindy was trying to get her point across of what Caylee liked for breakfast. I believe she said bagel with scrambled egg. Casey’s reaction was that of a child screaming me too me too. Thanks for jogging my memory on this. I hope above hope the jury will get to see these tapes. IMO they are great evidence that shows a mother of a missing toddler who seemed to be concerned about all the wrong things.
I have tried to find the tape for this but unfortunately WFTV is not working for me.
# 361 Kleat…well, Casey is one of the most camera conscious people I’ve ever seen. When photographs are taken, most people look at someone else, interact with other people, or are caught unaware, SOMETIMES.
Casey is usually posing up front for the lens, even when vomiting, except in her dancing/kissing-with-other-girls performances. It’s as if she really only comes to life for a camera. From looking at her photos, I get the impression that she thinks she’s a perfect petite trick.
Of course, she chooses the photos of herself to display; perhaps that accounts for her looking always “on” with miles of smiles. And it’s easy to read much into things.
I am sure the defense will give us much lowdown on her feelings of inadequacy during her terribly tortured teen-age years. Barf.
MsEnscene, yeah, it does seem contradictory, and that’s probably why it took me forever, with a review of the early FBI conversations. I can’t explain it, you’d think it would be completely contrary to narcissistic behaviours. But maybe the ‘feelings’ of something that is less than adequate, aren’t as we think of them as ‘feelings’, but as something they don’t like and can’t possibly control. Maybe it’s more like being upset at not having everything they way they would like to have it– rather than ‘feeling’ inadequate and maybe there’s someone to blame, like the person with the ‘short’ genes– or the baby who would be growing beautiful AND tall– jealousy is a feeling maybe she had in good measure.
I’m out of my league here, but why do investigators talk about personality disorders and low self-image and lack of empathy (part of the FBI personality questionaire too, that the parents and Lee completed in July 08. Maybe it’s more feeling sorry for themselves if the world did not deal them the hand THEY wanted, and owes them.
#842 suz …
“kleat, what’s your take on this expert? Soil matches? Or “the remains site was TOO underwater”? I’m going with the latter.”
According to Diane Fanning’s book which I broke down and actually ordered (I initially swore I never would), Gerardo Bloise, the CSI guy initially took soil and plant samples from beneath Casey’s car when OCSO originally took custody of it. I am guessing this is why the soil expert is being added … mighty interesting if I must say so myself!
justice23, I wonder if the defense has a better idea of what the latest addition to the experts for the state, will offer. Will they have interviewed him already, as to the scope of his work on the case? I suppose they must do that sooner than later to know if they need to counter his expertise with their own.
Blink, are ‘expert’ witnesses deposed in the same way as other witnesses to the case? Or is this necessary or is there another voire dire process that takes the place of a ‘depo’ as to what they might say under oath? They have no personal interest in the case itself, so what’s the process? It’s not like the expert can’t find new information between now and trial, and so the testimony might change if new facts come to light– unlike a witness whose testimony is about the facts in the past, and what they themselves were witness to.
Blink, my apologies, I missed your response to my ‘state depo rooms’ question until just now (sometimes I don’t scroll far enough back– thank you!! Excellent additional information, as per usual. (and you didn’t let us forget the Zip It… filing that with the Lanyard… for now
BTW, what is the Hard Rock Hotel connection– besides Casey’s fantasy stay avec nanny and friends, is there a connection (anyone, any event) that caused Casey to bring that name into her stories? (ie: a friend work there that we know of?)
Lol, yw, the lanyard is in Cindy’s drawer!
B
When Casey made the airline reservations for Puerto Rico for her friends, do you think she also had their credit card info? You always have to have your card info when you make reservations, don’t you? Wonder if she helped herself to some online purchases while she was being such a good friend. She knew their names, addresses, credit card numbers, expiration dates and security numbers. What a temptation for her that must have been. But I don’t remember ever hearing anything like that. That’s a surprise.
kleat
wanted to make an observation that I forgot about until I went to the doctor with my 2 year old. She reminded me that between 2 and 3, kids have a growth straightening–lol they stand taller like they fully extend thier legs so they look taller. No longer a baby, now a toddler. Maybe Casey was freaking out about how much taller Caylee seemed.
And I also have to express my feelings today- I seem to cry whenever I look at Caylee’s pictures and feel such a overwhelming amount of sadness because she is so beautiful and it seems to tear at my heart to really think that she is no longer here..smiling..happy..playing. She reminds me how lucky I am to be able to be with my kids and experience life with them. I am so so lucky! My heart aches for anyone who has lost a child.
# 367 Kleat, your instincts are surely right about Casey’s feelings of inadequacy. I just don’t see that inferior feeling being due to her looks. Although, I’d think she’d have felt sorely inadequate among friends who graduated college or among those who have real jobs with earned independence from their parents.
At their same age, she was entirely dependent on Mom financially so still at Cindy’s beck and call over Caylee; hence, the lies to seem more splendidly employed than her friends while being mother of the year with a full-time nanny. She tells one friend that she pays the nanny $1400 a month, “But she’s worth it!” because Casey trusts her.
(No wonder her grandmother, Shirley, writes to her sister, “Cindy says Casey spends more than she makes.” Ha.)
Talk about putting on airs! Yeah, people who pretend to be other than who they are and what they’ve truly accomplished, usually feel very inadequate.
She also needed everybody’s attention all the time. Endless phoning, texting, partying. I would say she is a gal who cannot be alone. She is not ever enough for herself. She can’t give herself the acclimation she think she gets only from others. She knows better, deep down.
Casey also brings all subjects back to Casey. She’s so needy. When Tracey noted that Caylee was a cute baby, Casey ran to get her own baby pictures telling Tracey, “Well, what about me? I was cute, too.” When Cindy, in a jail convo, says that Caylee liked bagels for breakfast, Casey chimes in with ” Well, I do too. I like bagels!” There are a lot of examples of this “Look at me!” behavior.
I can just see her on the phone with Tony, who falls asleep on the other end in NY, babbling on and on, “But enough about me! What do YOU think about me?”
Mom of three #777
I completely agree that Casey acts like a little girl. She seems less emotionally mature than the girls in my son’s middle school class (7th graders and between 12 and 13). I suspect she looked at Caylee as more of a doll than an actual human being with wants/needs other than her own. I think the doll got inconvenient for her and so she was done playing with her, so to speak. Casey really is the oddest mix of “little girl” on one side and then she has that tough, hard as nails persona on the other. Maybe she uses the hard side to try to cover up/compensate for the little girl who’s really underneath. Just looking at the things I’ve seen and heard from Casey’s own mouth and then the myriad of hints of the same thing that come out in so many interviews with others, she was in no way mature enough to handle raising a child.
justice23, lol, don’t feel bad–I pre-ordered the goofy fanning book and even bought one the only other person i know who follows the case (and bought her NG’s book as a gag, too–she said it wasn’t that bad). Yeah, soil samples are a possibility but we’ve never seen info on them finding any interesting dirt on casey’s shoes or anything (doesn’t mean it’s not there, of course). That professor’s CV seems to focus alot on things related to wetlands and such, so I am still thinking he will testify about how wet/dry/swampy/underwater the remains site would have been at different points.
Kleat, and everybody, Good Morning
This is JMO, of course. In regards to the PR trip, no way was CA going to leave the Orlando area with her daughter’s body laying, so far undiscovered, in those woods. I believe she was in a state of paranoia and checked the location often.
IMO, her visible frustrations of being in jail was due to the fact that she was now restrained from doing those checks. Her clues about “close to home” could have been in hope that her family would do those checks or ease her mind in some way that were “looking after things”. Once she got home, she was “happy and relieved” because she was back “close to” Suburban and in a better position to monitor than she was when in jail.
IMO her paranoia extended to when Tracey pointed out that photo of Caylee. It is possible, that when anyone spoke of Caylee especially while looking at a photo of her, CA, with her paranoia, may have felt Caylee would “speak out” to them or “speak out” to her. CA told Annie D. to move away from the bedroom window. And didn’t Cindy say CA could not bear to sleep in the 2 bedrooms (full of pictures) so she slept in Cindy’s room?
If I recall, one of the last text communications prior to Cindy tracking her down, was with ID, where she talks about not being able to sleep. IMO her paranoia and consciousness of guilt was taking a deeper hold.
For what it’s worth, JMO.
I have a question Sorry if this was already asked before.
On page 18 in the box labeled Location where property was impounded …..The address 493 was started to be written in the box then it looks like it was crossed off and initialed. Then the address of 4851 Hopespring Drive was written in. That would mean these items were collected from a neighbors house.
1 Stuffed Animal “TAZ”
1 Plactic Bag
Why? What does this mean? Why would they collect that from that address? Was this shown to Cindy and what about that pink baseball cap marked “VIP” very important princess that was found off of Curry Ford Rd. Was that shown to Cindy also. I wonder if any hairs were found on it.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3536-3590redacted.pdf
wpgmouse – comment # 876
I think you are right on the money about Casey & her frustrations of being in jail, not being able to “check on things”. Her comment in one of those jail visits “I’m completely out of the loop here” really fits right in with your theory, and that particular comment always bothered me. Since she was secluded from anything that was going on – she had no way of making up any lies to counteract anything that was being said. Makes A LOT of sense to me.
WHICH lanyard… ??!! And I’m takin’ back that statement about filing the Zip It with the Lanyard… I’ll find a much less risky spot to tuck the lanyard, the long one with the green sham beads…. thank you very much!
The one she accused LE of stealing from atop her ice chest.
B
interesting take, wpgmouse. Could be. I’m on the other side of the spectrum: once she dumped the body, like trash, as NG likes to remind us endlessly, she barely gave it another thought. She didn’t even hurry to pick up her car (didn’t want to deal with it—I get that, as a procrastinator of unpleasant deeds)
My take is based on the non stop devil-may-care partying that went on, with practically zero, zip, nada, nunca remorse except possibly some night terrors and a tearful viewing of the video. Otherwise it was, Oh well, caylee’s gone, i guess I’ll get a tattoo to remember her by.” (IF it’s even related to caylee—for all we know, it’s all about casey trying to be italian for tony)
To my statement in Post # 862, I found the source of the program and the interview with Psychiatrist Dr. Clive Chamberlain in which he speaks about his case studies of hundreds of homicidal youth in Ontario. (I only caught about a minute of the program where Dr. Chamberlain made the statement about the smiling and the low self-esteem, so now we can put this in a bit better context).
The ‘smiling’ vs ‘low self-esteem’ issue that seems so contradictory to us about Casey. How can it be possible to have these very ‘useful’ and ‘proven’ good looks (to us, to Casey’s men, to Casey’s family, to Casey’s friends, to the many cameras) yet someone have something that is hidden away as a self-esteem issue that we can’t fathom from what we ‘know’ of Casey.
(btw, I’m not saying it is so, I’m just saying that Casey has revealed her height as a concern in statements to others, and in her comments about her baby growing big– maybe it was only a concern at the moment she said that, or maybe it was her underlying imperfection of height as ‘more perfect’ than her almost 10 self– almost a ‘Zani’ image of herself.)
The link: http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/avengingangel/interviews.html
Click on the little camera icon in ‘Watch his interview online.’
This is a 13:24 minute section (opens in WMV) of this interview of Dr. Chamberlain (a senior psychiatrist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto and associate professor at the U. of Toronto) by Linden MacIntrye of the CBC’s ‘The Fifth Estate’.
#874
Nicole Harris,
I think you are right Casey was in no way mature enough to care for a child. I also believe she treated Caylee like a doll dressing her up. Caylee would have been at the age when she started to have her own opinion about the clothes she wore.
When my daughter was this age she hardly ever wantedto wear a cute dress/outfit and always seemed to opt out for some not too cute mismatched outfit. Also, keeping shoes on her, especially if they were not her favorites was virtually impossible. I noticed in Caylee’s later pictures her hair seemed to be down alot, which also reminded me of my daughter who would often times refuse to sit and have her hair pulled into a ponytail.
I think this type of normal behavior would have been infuriating to someone like Casey. Any mother feels sometimes overwhelmed with the constant big deal a toddler will make out of some mundane issue. It seems a 2/3 year old’s favorite words at this stage are “No” and “Why” IMO someone with Casey’s immaturity level would not have taken kindly to being questioned nor to being denied.
#877 SuzeeB
I have been perusing the discovery still looking for those plastic animals to no avail. I did see the stuffed animal, Taz, in the plastic bag. In the early discovery documents, August maybe, it said it was found in one of the storage buildings on the Anthony’s property. Cindy claimed to have never seen it before.
Other things I found were also interesting. There were scrapings done on the wheel well. I think there was adipocere on it. The paper towels with the adipocere also were found with pupae on them. Valhall stated that DNA can be found on adipocere, so that would eliminate the Canadian bacon theory.
There were a lot of soil and plant samples taken from under Casey’s car as well as from the windshield wipers. I haven’t seen those results.
Lastly, there was a photograph marked Q46 and more marked Q46.1 and Q46.2. The photograph was blacked out. When I searched for more information, I think that Q46 may be the hair with the “death band”. I don’t know about the Q46.1 or Q46.2 because I couldn’t find anything else. I know Casey told Tracey it wasn’t her hair because she wasn’t dead. I wondered if the length and color would also eliminate Casey because they can only get mitochondrial DNA from it.
Discussing Casey’s behavior toward Caylee and her treating her like a doll got me to thinking about her lack of appropriate emotions regarding Caylee’s demise.
Remember in Tracy’s interview she talked about Casey’s “love” of the song -The Past- by Sevendust. Casey told her while in jail she kept playing this song over and over in her head and that it spoke to her and her exact feelings toward her life at that point?
Well after reading the lyrics again, I don’t think she ever saw Caylee as a person at all.
I think Casey was fine with getting rid of Caylee because to her Caylee was not her baby, a human being but was instead just “The Past” and she was so ready to leave the past behind. She had left Cindy’s house, she was starting fresh with new friends and Caylee was her child hood doll that she had outgrown. This doll, beautiful, innocent little Caylee was the only thing that was tying her to her past.
To Casey, Caylee had become only the personification of “The Past”
IMO this song is a confession of sorts:
The Past by Sevendust
Beneath the water
that’s falling from my eyes
lays a soul I’ve left behind
the edge of sorrow was reached but now I’m fine
I’ve filled the hole I had inside
I’ll pray it doesn’t scream my name
so I light a flame and let it breathe
the air that kills the shame
I’m up
I’m down
like a rollercoaster racing through my life
I’ve erased the past again
a risky morning
I feel like I’m alive
I can’t believe I’ve made it through this time
the edge of sorrow I lived in for some time
(lived in for some time)
has left the hole I have inside
The burden is I try my hate
was the last thing I ever felt
or thought I could escape
I’m up
I’m down
like a rollercoaster racing through my life
I’ve erased the past again
[x2]
You let me in then broke me down
the difference is this time around
I will not let you see me try
I’m up
I’m down
like a rollercoaster racing through my life
I’ve erased the past again
[x2]
Erased the past again now
Erased the past again
Beneath the water
that has fallen from my eyes
The lanyard Oon page 344 and 345 of Cindy’s deposition they discuss the lanyard. Cindy said that the employees sometimes traded off the lanyards (Universal studio hijinks?) Then they asked Cindy if she knew who Chris was. I wonder if that’s the person that Casey’s lanyard belonged to, necessitating the need to hide it. Poor Cindy tried to anticipate why they were asking the question rather than attempt to give either a logical or truthful answer.
It is not the case now, but initially to sign up for Facebook, you had to have a college ID. I wonder how Casey managed that.
MomOf3, re: Schaeffer’s blog and the trolls, the second blog article is up and Mr. Schaeffer says he doesn’t like the idea of moderating the blog because of the constitution and rights to freedom of speech, but if you go into any courtroom in America, where is the right to freedom of speech for the ‘equivalent’ of the ‘trolls’, who are not exercising their ‘freedom of speech’ so much to cause havoc by their antics. Imagine if the same could be done in a courtroom, where anyone could enter and express themselves via the constitutional right to specifically shut down the proceedings by ‘noise’.
Mr. Schaeffer will learn that this is the effect of those ‘trolls’ whose intent is to take control of other’s voices, to stop others from reading easily, and possibly even stopping others from attempting to read what is relevant by shear annoyance and the bother of doing it. Trolls can be a very effective way of stopping participation by those who wish to express their own constitutional rights. Sure they still have the rights intact, but who is going to wade through that to ‘listen’ to what they have to say for very long.
Nobody. He is better off just having the blog with no comments, imo.
B
(and ‘moderation’ done at all, is a lot of work, ‘moderation’ done well– is Blink’s blog)
TY dear Kleat. I don’t understand the concept that if your work has your name on it, one would be ok with others soiling it or making it something else.
B
Did anyone post this yet? I’m a little behind……..
http://www.wftv.com/news/21632709/detail.html
DCF visits Anthony home to investigate Cindy!
DCF visits Anthony Home
http://www.wftv.com/news/21632709/detail.html
Blink, I agree. I guess it’s a way (an easy way) to stop people from being critical about a lawyer’s position as a first amendment guy, when the effect of the troll ‘abuse’ is to block access to first ammendment rights by others, often, many others.
Btw, to those who might have viewed that ‘Canadian’ link/psychiatrist interview, the story was not all Canadian, it was a murder that happened in the states– go to the source program. I think that interview was very illuminating as to what could be going on in the antisocial personality of a young person like Casey. Explains the concepts we have been talking about, immaturity, lack of empathy, but without any labels. How there may be no one reason a murder takes place, but a set of circumstances that happen.
It’s worth a listen–
ada
At the end of C’s deposition are photos of an article (a work bag?) with an oval label Universal Orlando, Orlando FL and the name CHRIS in the middle of the label. Exhibits 17 and 18. There are probably clearer images of these somewhere.
Ada #883,
I just checked my notes on the hair sample numbers–my notes, remember, so might not be correct.
Q46.1 was the tiny hair on the shovel label (I believe destroyed in testing); Q12 was found in trunk and was similar to Q 15, which had the decomp band on it and which the FBI cannot rule out Casey nor Caylee.
#883: ada
Just want to correct a few misconceptions that your post might create:
“Valhall stated that DNA can be found on adipocere, so that would eliminate the Canadian bacon theory.”
Adipocere does NOT contain DNA of the victim/corpse/body UNLESS there is a contamination of the saponified material by human nucleated cells. Valhall did an excellent job de-mistifying the topic.
“I wondered if the length and color would also eliminate Casey because they can only get mitochondrial DNA from it.”
The color and length of the found hair placed it into the category of similiar to that of Caylee’s exemplar; the fact that this discovered hair had never been chemically treated increased the fact that it DID not belong to either female of the immediate Anthony household.
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is the maternal linkage that is contained in the mitochondria of the human cells; as evaluated it demonstrates that the owner of the hair is/was related to the Cindy-Casey-Caylee Anthony link, Caylee’s mitochondrial DNA progressed from Casey, thus CASEY is not eliminated but the DEATH BAND does eliminate CAsey & Cindy.
Be advised that the defense will probably declare that the “death band” hair is an anomaly and /or the “death band” is itself an artifact.
Brad Conway is planning to deal with people who, like the person who emailed DCF about Cindy babysitting in her home (re concerns about her disability and George’s recent suicide attempt as some of the concern). Conway apparently calls it ‘harassment’.
There is a point here, there should not be harassment, however, Brad Conway himself helped set up the Anthony’s for that 20 thousand dollar photo opportunity with other photo licencing fees, to go along with the free interview for the 48 Hrs special. The Anthony’s brought this on themselves, for money– they did not have to show a child in Caylee’s room, they did not have to say that Cindy was babysitting this child.
I don’t excuse ‘harassment’, but the Anthony’s, with Conway, opened up this can of worms themselves. It was not necessary to ‘USE’ the effect of the statement about Cindy babysitting a young girl, as part of their media blitz. They opened themselves up to scrutiny– and they got well paid for the risk.
If it’s a family friend, the 48 Hrs did not say that, it implied that Cindy ‘babysits’ this child. I do NOT condone harassment of this couple, but on the surface of things, they should just buck up and move on. Brad should remind them how much money they got for such video clips and how it worked in their favour for the media impression, and how this ‘report to dcf’ will probably garner as much sympathy as anything else.
Brad is making this a bigger issue than need be. A child is dead, the family puts themselves in the limelight, they get more money for more of a story, it was a 48 Hrs story enhancement to show a new little girl in Caylee’s room.
This may shock you. I am going to side with Brad on this one. Since when is whether or not someone is ripping off their employer grounds for a DCF investigation? On the George suicide issue, and his public purchase of a firearm in the home, if in fact the reporter had grounds to feel this child was endangered, I will give you that one.
If this is basically a call in from an Anthony hater, it is harassment, imo. Furthermore, I am pizzed that the DCF has time to deal with such nonsense, because this site is peppered with cases where there was legitimate investigations and children were not removed and are now dead. I guess I am saying if the intent has malice attatched, how does that make anyone better than them?
B
http://www.wesh.com/video/21632253/index.html
i’ve often wondered who’s name was actually on that lanyard,amy,zanny, someone else?. i ve thought casey was going to use it to impersonate/implicate someone, could be wrong.
#886 #887
Kleat, I agree. I had read several blogs/ sites before posting at Blink on Crime. This site is by far the best. No in fighting just discussion and debate. The other places scare me to be truthful.
If/when I read Mr. Sheaffer’s blog, it will be without reading the comments.
By the way, I have not gotten a chance as of yet to watch your link to the Canadian’ link/psychiatrist interview but look forward to it. Thanks for bringing it to us. It spunds interesting.
Correction to last post It sounds interesting. LOL
Some man just reported the Anthony’s for babysitting a child while Cindy is on disability. I applaud him, whoever he is. They in their 48 hrs. told the world that Caylee , at 21/2 yrs. old, got up and made her own breakfast!!! She could go the the refrig. and do her own thing????!!!! Wow. Poor kid just fended on her own I guess while her mother all hung over was asleep and since, according to them, Geo. never watched her, and Ms. Cindy was at work, who watches Caylee in the morning? HMMMMMM Nice If that don’t take the cake!!!! IMO