Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Your Resolution to NOT HATE The Anthonys
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Orlando, FL– On the Eve of the New Year, it struck me that I have yet to form my New Years’ Resolution, and hopefully, impart one to the dedicated readers of blinkoncrime.com.
After reading this comment from a longtime reader and poster, I realized it would be the basis of what I will ask of you in the coming year.
I guess I’m still alone in not begrudging the Ants any of the media money they collect. I know everyone’s mad at them for not publicly turning against their daughter, and for not helping the state firm up a death penalty case against her, and I get that, but I still have trouble mustering up hatred for them. I don’t think they’re particularly likable or even sympathetic characters—I think that’s why I can’t seem to hate them correctly. I see them as foibled and broken and just so regularly human that I kind of feel compassion for their situation.
I think it’s probably a misconception that they’re rolling in the dough. They’re not working right now. Cindy had to clean out her retirement fund thanks to the two losers she more or less supports, and who more or less have robbed her blind over the past many years. They have lawyers and godnoze who else sucking money out of them prolly as quickly as it comes in. Their grandchild is dead, their daughter is facing death—it sucks. I’m pretty positive that none of us would want to trade places with them. Not that you guys wouldn’t conduct yourselves differently than the Ants. You’re probably less screwed up than they are.
I wouldn’t want to walk a mile in their shoes, and I’m grateful that I won’t have to. But I am also quite sure that I can’t fully imagine what it feels like to be them. Everyone hates them. People surely still heckle them, threaten them, shun them, spit on them, attack them—day after day, relentlessly!—viciously on blog after blog, calling them names, making just horrible assumptions and speculations about them and wild claims against them. Mobs are not warm and fuzzy, whether they are storming your gates with pitchforks and torches, or lobbing negativity and vitriol at you over the ‘net.
(Oh, dear, I must be feeling the full weight of 2009 upon me. Reflection is a dangerous thing, lol.) At any rate, here’s wishing all the Blinksters a safe and happy and fulfilling 2010, hopefully with many fewer human tragedies for us to chime in on.
I think this perspective is a very fair one, and I share it. My response:
Suz-
I do not hate these people. I hate their behavior.
I hate that they enabled this girl for so long she never got the help, I feel, she desperately needed.
I hate that a 34 month old baby paid the price for it.
I hate that they have lied to protect the woman responsible for it.
I hate that they do not get that their job now, is to restore the dignity of that baby, and to warn others what can happen when one enables their child to the extent of actual lying and covering up for her, her entire life.
I stole a pack of Kool Aid when I was a kid ( that must be where it all started..) and my Mom drove me back to Food Lane and made me hand it to the manager and apologize.
The rest of my feelings are probably peppered throughout this site.
I do not want people to blindly hate the Anthony’s. I want them to learn the lessons they are supposed to, in the hopes this tragedy can be prevented where it might not have been previously, for someone else.
Imo, hate gets people nowhere. It prevents us from self-asessing and making the crooked places straight.
Happy New Year to You as well Suz.
B
To add to the above, I will share with you that my biggest fear in the conclusion of this case, is that hate, for anyone involved, wins out.
The easiest thing in the world to do is to cast dispersions and launch the atomic hate grenade. I am asking all of you to instead of sitting in the smokescreen that ensues, to open your heart to the real issue here.
Caylee Marie Anthony, in her short time on Earth, loved these people, unconditionally.
Maybe the way to break through to them is to just respect that part of their relationship. Momentarily, can I ask us to have a collective recall of a photo we have seen of Caylee with them? Full of life, love, and happiness.
I know they read here, so let me be the first to say that while I will continue to work to affect a successful prosecution in this case; I want you to know:
I know you loved her more than anything.
I know you would do everything differently if you could.
I know what happened to Caylee was not your fault, but you know who is responsible.
I know that you are struggling for a way to make this right.
I know that your ability to do so on your own may be shortly out of your control.
I know that people will understand your motivations for how this all started if you are simply, honest. I know people have a great capacity for forgiveness.
For me, the thought of Caylee’s death turning into nothing more than a bank account for some, and platform to spread hate, turns my stomach.
If hate wins, that is all it will ever be to those that we need to affect changes that will help someone else. The cycle continues.
I think Caylee deserves for her death to matter in a way for her legacy to be the focus of our energy. Please join me.
(editors note: For anyone who reads this and thinks Blink has gone soft, you know me better than that. I am just sick of the viral toxin shower that some seem to have taken before they comment on this case. It needs to end)
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I agree with ChicagoJudy and ada. A sociopath with NPD is not going to think or even FEAR in the same way as you and I. She has always had success in convincing everyone of the most outrageous lies in life!
After all, she just shopped at Target, Penney, and Bank of America on somebody else’s money and no one (!) came to get her, even when she accidently signed her own name to a check!
She thought she was good as gold. With a mental process like hers and no accountability in life (“that’s not even my dog–just this twin is”) she continued to brow beat and skate away without mercy.
I got tangled up with a sociopath a couple of years ago and got my butt kicked! She was unbelievably good at manipulation and disrupted everyone’s existence for her own gain. Many could see her for the thief and liar she was, but not everyone. When she called the police on me (me?) they didn’t come and she did get some consequences, yet not enough to change her ways. Nightmare, just a nightmare.
Maybe she went there to show LE to someone else. Maybe that was the idea. “To be seen.”
(pause for the new thread which will appear elsewhere on this concept, lol)
Very Intriguing, Blink
Excellent excerpts from Dr. Lillian Glass Body Language Expert on the Anthony’s bizarre, disgusting behavior.
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Dr. Lillian Glass
Dec 17, 2009
CINDY AND GEORGE MUST CLAIM SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALLOWING CASEY’S BAD BEHAVIOR IN THE PAST
George and Cindy Anthony’s Body Language on the Today Show Indicates They Are Feigning Denial and Know Daughter Casey is Guilty
While it is not always the parent’s fault that a child misbehaves as they do, in this case, I believe Cindy and George as well must take responsibility for letting their daughter run amuck over their lives.
Even through Cindy and George Anthony’s words on The Today Show say that they believe their daughter Casey is innocent, their body language clearly says something different. Their body language says they know their daughter is guilty of killing their granddaughter Caylee. The shoulder shrugs, hunched shoulders, bowed head, head jerks, vocal choking. uhms, pained facial expressions, lip pursing, Cindy’s closed eyes when speaking, and George’s constantly looking down, are just a few of the “tells” which say they are not telling the truth about what they really think of their daughter and her role in the murder of their granddaughter.
I have always found Cindy Anthony’s yelling, belligerence, anger, rudeness, obnoxious and inappropriate gum chewing, manipulation, and hostility extremely offensive. While my dear friend Nancy Grace, who’s show on which I regularly appear on Headline News cuts Cindy a lot of slack just because she is a parent and is defending her daughter, I refuse to do so.
Like Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla who has seen Cindy up close and personal when he first bailed Casey out of jail, I find that Cindy is a large part of why Casey is in the predicament she is in.
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CINDY CONTINUES TO PLAY THE “BLAME GAME
Then Cindy continues by blaming the investigators for not looking at all the evidence. This is the same woman who was willing to throw Casey’s innocent former fiancé Jesse Grund, and Casey’s former friend whom Casey stole checks from- Amy Huzunga, and Caylee finder Roy Kronk “under the bus” just to protect her sociopathic daughter Casey. Now you know where Casey got her abilities to blame others so freely. The apple defiantly does not fall to far from the tree!
Instead of pointing the finger and questioning Kronk, Cindy and George Anthony need to be grateful to him for finding he remains of their beloved granddaughter.
In doing so, Konk has allowed them to have the closure they desperately needed so that they could know their granddaughter was no longer alive and so that they could bury her and grieve her properly.
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ALL FINGERS POINT BACK TO CASEY
No matter what one says about Roy Kronk and any circumstantial evidence there may be, to me all fingers point back to Casey. After all:
a. Casey was the mother of the child who did NOT report her child missing for 31 days
b. Casey lead law enforcement on a wild goose chase
c. Casey lied about her work
d.Casey was out partying while her daughter was missing
e. Casey has yet to identify or find Zanny the Nanny
Even if she and her defense team stick to the cockamamie story that Zaniada Gonzalez threatened her if she talked to police and that is why she didn’t report Cayle missing, who is Zanny the Nanny and why hasn’t she been found yet? And finally,
f. Casey’s circumstances in which she took Caylee out of the home after having a fight with Cindy.
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GEORGE IS NOT AS DUMB AS HE PLAYS! HE KNOWS THE DRILL!
George’s pained facial contortions, lip pursing, shoulder shrugging, and looking down all the time and head shaking are all body language “tells” which clearly indicate he knows he is not speaking the truth when he says that he believes Casey didn’t kill Cayley.
The only time George spoke the truth since this incident occurred was when he was interviewed by police and said the trunk smelled like there was a dead body in there and when he told police that he was afraid to open the trunk for fear of what he would find in there.
FEIGINING DENIAL UNTIL REALITY SETS IN
After all he was a member of law enforcement for years. He knows if a person is guilty or innocent and he clearly knows Casey is guilty. That is why he had to leave the room when prosecutor Ashton graphically described what his daughter did to his granddaughter.
His body could no longer take his’ living the lie and not facing the truth.” The truth hurt so much that he had to leave the room. But the thoughts haven’t left his psyche as this was the second thing brought up in the Today Show interview -how hard it was to listen to the prosecutor’s graphic description.
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Fulll articles: http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
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Adding my opinion:
Above are just a few reasons I can’t find it in my heart to have sympathy for the Anthony or to stop ‘hating them’ to date I hate all their actions concerning Caylee & Casey..
They make it too easy for the public to despise & have made no effort in the last year of learning from their mistakes & improving… if anything imo their atrocious behavior has gotten worse!
Love your child, stand by them but hold them accountable for their actions. Don’t enable, cover-up for & the most heinous of crimes, killing a child, your supposed beloved granddaughter. I
I don’t think any of the Anthonys loved Caylee in the right way, they are incapable. They have forgotten her in order to free her killer & rape Caylee’s memory for blood $$$ & are show no signs of stopping!
Thinker #173, I remember seeing that name as someone that donates to Casey’s jail fund also.
Has anyone watched the movie Gone Baby gone? Irt was recently on a regular TV network & although I saw it before it really hit home & made me feel sad because of the similarity between the story & Caylee’s. Though not identical the Mother in the movie reminded me of self centered sociopath Casey & how law enforcement & others not rtelated to the little girl in the movie cared more for her welfare & safe return than her own Mother. The ending sucked though…lol…I was hoping that cute little girl would remain with Morgan Freeman…lol..she would have been better off than with the crack head MOM.
Sorry for typos above, Farrah my kitty decided to jump on keyboard! Shoo Farrah, I’m busy…lol. All my critters resent my PC cause they want my attention…oh well time to get off…hubby would like to talk to me once in a while too!
It’s hard to admit hate isn’t it…for people you never met? I think a lot of you hate the Anthonys but like me it’s hard to describe or even be sure it is hatred. Maybe I just hate almost all of their actions & everything out their lying mouths thus far. But how can I loath their horrific actions & not hate them too?
I dunno, but I have it in check & am not a lunatic who would protest in front their home. But I will admit all most ashamed of it that I secretly cheered on those who did protest & harrass the Anthonys because the Anthonys were harboring a baby killer & that is unforgivable daughter or not.
I think LE secretly liked the raving maniacs in front the Anthonys home in the beginning too, it put the pressure on, though I’m not sure if it helped it was no fun for the family of liars to know so many people weren’t buying the crap they were selling.
Blink!
OH MY here we go in a different direction yet again?
Why did Casey lie like that and think she could get away with it?
Did she know Baez before Cindy found her?
Did Cindy know Caylee was gone before she found Caysey?
I am not so sure our minds don’t go to all of these new places as we cannot understand how a human being can harm a child like this and throw her away….
I still stick to my original thoughts… she drowned in the pool while KC was busy doing something or someone else and could not face her parents or anyone else…. How could they over forgive her?
Or she was extremely mad at Cindy and did it in a fit of rage which we have all seen her display…..
Who, what or why would these seasoned detectives not push this brat over the edge with their questioning… Why didn’t they go there with her?
Oh and Chicago Judy……
Mark Hawkins is a BIG part of this, I have felt it in my bones from the first time hearing that Lee went out with his wife….
BUT my first thought with that was that Caysey slept with Mark to get even with his wife as she slept with Lee, got pregnant and had an abortion…. so Caysey was going to even the score as she broke her brother Lee’s heart…..
I cannot wait to read his statments IF we ever get to…. I think it will be public record if this case gets settled by plea or thru trial…
Can any legal eagles answer that for me please…..
McEnscene… good point about Casey’s strutting in her new blue hoodie, with her head held high and her butt a-swaying! There’s no doubt that she thought she’d be home in a jiffy to start her bella vita all over again. Caylee’s gone — case closed. Let’s move forward. There’s really something wrong with the way that girl’s brain functions.
Blink, the date is the 21st (now we know possibly why the Gagne hearing needed to be cancelled as this would be a conflict for lawyer Brad’s time).
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234
01/21/2010 Hearing (10:00 AM) ()
Status/Pre-Trial
(One question– a search for cases under full name reveals only the capital case, the check fraud is criminal too so wonder why it did not come up under a name search. Will have to try again)
Q: Who is Tomasita D. Cowell, Esquire? Or rather, why is he listed as Casey’s attorney for the civil case, not Kasen who has appeared in court each time? Why the apparent change of lawyers?
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1450829
What’s on the docket next for this case:
12/16/2009 Uniform Order Setting Case for Jury/Pretrial
5/4/10 1:30PM
Is there a withdrawl for Kasen?
B
I don’t claim to know what was or was not going through Casey’s mind while she was talking calmly to the detectives. I can’t understand her behavior at all, at anyime.
Something that stuck with me from her signed statement though, was her admission that she took money from family and friends in order to help her find Caylee and her admission that she went to stores, not to shop but to look for Caylee.
Casey also admitted to going to popular clubs, not to party or hang out with her BF, but because these were the places that Zenaida frequented.
It was like Casey thought if she wrote down and explained all her strange/bad behavior during those 31 days and tied it into her search for her daughter, no one would question it further or try to disprove it in any way. After all, who could blame a young distraught mother from stealing a couple 100 dollars in order to find her missing toddler? Who could believe a young mother would simply go shopping or clubbing when her baby daughter was missing?
And the fraud criminal case:
12/18/2009 CANCELED Hearing (10:00 AM) () Cancelled STATUS
01/25/2010 Trial (10:00 AM) ()
Courtroom: TBA
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The trial is still on the docket, this means three weeks today the trial starts– so will they work this case out of court before or after they go through picking a jury? Is it to the state’s best interest to let this go ahead?
The pre trial is already off the docket, I do believe they will appear on the 25th to plea.
B
Blink, why would Holly Gagne be in a lawyer’s office for the Nancy Grace show, glancing to someone just off camera, Cindy claimed to be hearing all this ‘from another room’? Gagne was tight with Cindy to promote the Anthony position by this time, which had to be around late July 2008 (haven’t checked NG transcripts for a date but before early August).
Why? She is trying to help the case of a missing and ‘kidnapped’ toddler, who can’t ‘phone home’, so why is she only talking about Casey and how she was a ‘good’ (but not excellent, mother) and doesn’t say one word to the kidnapper to help get the baby home, no questions asked? Why is she in a lawyer’s library to do this and whose lawyer is she using to help Casey at this time? Was this Jose Baez Law firm’s offices? NG would know where the call was coming from, where the video link was at and if the NG show was doing the filming.
This seems to put Gagne at the center of everything early on, and she continued to be active for the defense of Casey, even offering up her own daugher to the filming of 48 HRS in the same home that this baby may have been killed in.
What if Holly Gagne was doing all this without the agreement, support, knowledge, approval of her daughter’s father? What if the father did not want his daugher put into this case and the media ‘storm’? Holly looks like a very determined and self-assured woman, from the NG interview, calling herself the only mother who she would rate as ‘excellent’ therefore Casey would rate ‘good’ because of Holly’s own very high standards). If Holly took this ‘I’m the only one who knows best for my daughter’ attitude towards the child’s father, and the father did not agree to allow his daughter to be exposed on 48 HRS to promote the media tour (and money making) of Cindy and George, then maybe this added to whatever rift was between them.
Nancy Grace show was July 31, 2008, here’s the CNN video link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/07/30/ng.missing.toddler.cnn?iref=allsearch
(those do look like law books, maybe it’s a studio set up. Watch her eyes, she is telling America what she knows about Casey, as she ‘was and is a loving, caring mother’. ‘you are going to defend your child because that’s ALL YOU KNOW’. But Holly doesn’t say you also ‘defend your 2 year old granddaughter’ who you also raised, were there at her birth, just as a parent’.)
WHO is Thomasita D. Crowell as this lawyer now appears to have replaced Johnathan Kasen as Casey Anthony’s lawyer in the cheque fraud case.
On first google search, there appeared to be two firms with a lawyer of this name, one in Maitland, (Miami area), the other in, wait for it… Winter Park, Florida.
The FLA bar lists only one Tomasita Denise Crowell:
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/620005D90D8143AE85256A83003ABEBA?OpenDocument
ID Number:
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334250
Address:
The Carmona Law Firm
465 S Orlando Ave # 204
Maitland, Florida 327515654
United States
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There is also the Winter Park address for her firm listed under other find lawyer type sites:
Crowell- Tomasita Denise Attorney
407)740-6600
Address :338 W. Morse Boulevard Suite 150
Phone
City :Winter Park
ZipCode :32789
State :Florida
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Ms. Crowell specializes in Construction Law. Click on her photo to get her information.
http://kirwinnorris.com/images/team.swf
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Construction law lawyer to defend Casey Anthony in what is an extremely critical matter of 9 felony charges to be decided before her death penalty capital case.
Kasen is listed on the FLA bar as working in a firm of ‘one’, so he is not apparently associated with Ms. Crowell’s firm. Although it’s possible that all the FLA bar lawyer’s information, is not up to date if the lawyers don’t do this quickly enough.
Is Kasen really out of the picture? Seems so.
Crowell has a JD and an accounting degree. Her firm in Maitland advertises that they handle ‘litigation and appeals’. Is there a defense that they are planning along the ‘bookkeeping’ lines? If they are going to plead the case, then why do they need to change lawyers? Kasen could easily do that– so why change unless Casey didn’t like what he was advising? (like Terrence Lenamon) Or does the defense feel that it’s better for Casey to have a woman in the courtroom on her behalf– maybe a mother,maybe someone of the same ethnic background as Casey accuses of stealing her child, so the jury can see this mother/woman, standing up for a wongly accused?
So what is the plan here? Is she in Winter Park, which are Casey’s stomping grounds, or is she based in Maitland (Miami area)?
Kleat-
hang on. Kasen is the civil attorney in the civil case. Are you saying this woman is now the attorney of record in the fraud case?
B
(OR, was Kasen not getting paid???)
All the players in this mess have some things in common.Greed, bloated egos and the ability to stomach a childs murder so as to profit from it.
I suppose it’s a lawyers job to not want the truth if it implicates their client but even that fact blows my mind. Seems like there should be some desire as a fellow human being, that would nudge the atty. to want to help their client with the demons that live inside the killer they represent or even to not feel in some way responsible if that criminal was let loose in society free to commit the same crime again. It seems insane that the atty. could be in trouble for doing the right thing. It’s a world (legal system) that I just don’t understand sometimes.
Not that any of all this makes a whit of difference in this case! Everybody in this circus wants the brass ring.
Back to Holly Gagne and how this might tie into the Anthony saga.
Check the family court records– something heated up with accusations of domestic violence with children in September 2009, then ‘closed’. Whether or not the parents agreed on the role of their child on national 48 HRS or not, the lawyer for the father would certainly not hesitate suggesting that the mother had done something wrong. DFC was called to check on the babysitting of the Gagne child, the child was a player in national media, her photo was used, the mother’s photo was used, payments were made for photo licencing. This Holly ‘great’ mother as she claims of herself, puts her daughter into this Anthony mess and now she shares the Anthony’s own lawyer.
Maybe the DFC was investigation was prompted not by someone following the Anthony saga, but by someone closer to the child herself in a marriage/family matter.
OS family court records:
2009-DR-013744-O GAGNE, KENNETH, III vs. GAGNE, HOLLY ANN
09/10/2009
Div 45
Bronson, Theotis
Domestic Violence with Children
Closed – SRS
2009-DR-013965-O GAGNE, KENNETH, III vs. GAGNE, HOLLY ANN
09/15/2009
Div 45
Bronson, Theotis
Dissolution of Marriage with Children
Closed – SRS
(were these two cases closed because the case was elevated to a criminal matter?)
Yep. I smell someone got a royalty and someone did not, or did not know…
B
No… I do have the fraud and civil case mixed up.
Blink, can I impose on you to edit? Put it on my tab, please!!
(#194)Walk of shame….
the following was cut and pasted from http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestAffidavit071608.htm
Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Arrest Affidavit – Casey Marie Anthony
Date of Arrest: 07/16/2008 16:33:00
Case # 08-CF-10925
Discovery Documents Set#1 (Pages 3,4,5,6)
the defendant to see if she’d agree to come to Universal Studios. At 1230 hrs Sgt. Allen and Detective Appie Wells went to the Hopespring address and met with the defendant who agreed to accompany them to Universal Studios. Investigator Turtora agreed assist us with this.
Once at Universal Studios, I met with the three at the employee entrance. Investigator Turtora was present. The defendant, who didn’t have her ID, explained to the security officer at the entrance she was a current employee and lost her Id. When the security guard (Steve) asked who her supervisor was, she told him it was Tom Manley. When told no Tom Manley worked there, she had no answer. Investigator Turtora agreed to escort the defendant to where she said she worked. We followed her into a building nearby and down the building’s inner hall. She walked with purpose and acted like she knew where she was going. Halfway down this hall, she stopped, turned, and told us she hadn’t told us the truth and she was not a current employee.
At this time, we found a small conference room in which to talk to the defendant. This conversation was also recorded. Prior to beginning this interview, we stressed that the door was unlocked and were in the room for privacy only. She understood and agreed to speak with us on tape. In short, the defendant was confronted with all the inconsistencies in her story and the fact that I had proven she lied on almost every thing she had told me. She admitted she lied to me about the apartment at 301 N Hillside being one of Zenaida’s. She admitted her ex-boyfiend Ricardo Morales lived across from this residence, and though she had stayed there since the child went missing, she never mentioned this address or name to us. She admitted she lied about being employed with Universal, claiming she thought that the may happened to find out if her child Caylee or Zenaida had visited Universal Studios since June 9th. She admitted that she should have called the police the day the child went missing and in not doing so, she failed to provide the victim with the care, supervision and services necessary to maintain the child’s physical or mental health. The defendant still maintained that she last saw her daughter with a Zenaida on June 9th, 2008 at the S. Conway address.
It should be noted that at no time during any of the above interviews did the defendant show any obvious emotion as to the loss of her child She did not cry or give any indication that she was legitimately worried about her child’s safety. She remained stolc and monotone……
Seen by: parking lot attendants, security, security cameras?
She sent her mother to universal on July 4th also–to that same entrance? Casey told the detectives during their ‘discussion’ in the conference room in that fake work building that she thought someone may have seen Zaneida come or go with Caylee. She wanted them to look at video maybe and see her mother there?
FYI Maitland, Florida is north of orlando and slightly north of Winter park.It is in the greater Orlando, Florida area.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=maitland,+fl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Maitland,+FL&gl=us&ei=Z-9AS7qjB8uztgep0sSYBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q8gEwAA
Kleat and Blink, Maitland is here in central Florida. Maybe a 5 minute ride from Winter Park. There are a lot of little cities here that all connect. Apopka, Altamonte Springs, Maitland, Winter Park, Orlando (big city)…..
Kleat if you look on a map for SR436 (also known as Semoran Blvd) it will take you from Apopka, thru Forest City, thru Altamonte Springs, thru Maitland, thru Winter Park, to Orlando.
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1450829
Register of Actions
Case No. 2008-CA-024573-O
FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA vs. ANTHONY, CASEY
Defendant
ANTHONY, CASEY
CROWELL, TOMASITA D, Esquire
Retained
Plaintiff
FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA
MORGAN, JOHN BRYAN, Esquire
Retained
Got it, so she’s “in addition” to..
B
Maitland, FL is not far from Orlando.
I will maintain my belief that Casey is not that intelligent. I think it is more to the fact of not caring what an outcome is, due to all the times before in life, it’s all been taken care of, and she hadn’t had to take responsibility for her actions. I believe it was a false sense of security, that she felt she could do anything she felt like, and not have to answer for any of it. I think it’s simple. George and Cindy were to wrapped up in their own complex lives, and when Casey found trouble, and that was often, I think George and Cindy were more concerned about covering their own misfortunes (Cindy’s attraction to Dominic Casey), or (George’s attraction to internet call girls), and less concerned about bringing Casey’s downfall’s to light. Bottome line, it is a human trait to have instilled in them right and wrong. Even a monkey left on a deserted island would know not to drink ocean water because it was salty. Regardless of human laws, it is instilled in everyone that right or wrong, your actions will pose consequences
Lawyer Sasha Haro, ESQ represents defendant Holly A. Gagne for breach of contract. Plaintiff is Target National Bank.
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=2027762
08/28/2009 Counter Payment Receipt # CV-2009-64717 HARO, SASHA, Esquire (310.00)
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Zakheim Law, the firm with which Sasha Haro works, does collections work. The front and only page of their website, is an account payment link.
Holly Ann Gagne also had another retained lawyer in the family court before her criminal charges:
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=2031351
Respondent
GAGNE, HOLLY ANN
MARSEE, STEVE W, Esquire
Retained
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With all of these legal battles, civil, family and now criminal, why wouldn’t Cindy try to help her friend Holly out? Couldn’t it be possible that 48 HRS deal brokered by Brad Conway, Holly’s newest lawyer, included a little help for the long time media support of the defense and Casey? Wasn’t the breakdown of payments, 10 grand each to George and Cindy, and of that, 3 grand to Brad? What about the photos/video of Holly in the back yard with the Anthony’s, and Holly’s daughter in the little scene where Cindy is babysitting for her friend? That is worth a bit to 48 HRS, in the enhancement of the program.
Or is the payment now coming back as help from Brad, free gratis under his new client’s indigent claim? Why wouldn’t Brad negotiate a few dollars for Cindy’s so helpful friend Holly, when she and her daughter are clearly in photos that are the source of payment for the national television show.
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Why change from Steve Marsee, he’s got a lot of experience, his website says:
“Whether you need professional representation for custody cases, separation agreements, domestic violence or divorce, contact the Law Office of Steve W. Marsee today for more information and a free consultation.
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Thanks everyone on the Maitland!! Much appreciated! (this morning is a big ‘need editor aka over-the-shoulder person’ today!
Lol, that is a rarity. It happens. Watch the Hangover. OMG
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Money laundering by ‘media’. Hmm.
Fact, Holly Ann Gagne claimed indigent status for legal support on her latest criminal charges. Yet she hires her own choice of lawyer, one Bradley Conway. Mr. Conway is the same lawyer who negotiated for Cindy and George, a fee for photos and video, which CBS states, is their practice to enhance their stories. Did Holly get a cut of the 20 grand as Brad did? I don’t think so. Brad did not disclose that and he’s an above-board lawyer. But it begs the question, did Holly Gagne have her own little separate deal for ‘her’ photo/video inclusion in the national Saturday night special, neatly put into her own hands, Brad wasn’t ever questioned about this, who’d know. Maybe that was tucked into the lawyer’s account for her future needs, maybe the child’s part in this was never ‘negotiated’ with a paper trail, maybe the child’s role was never paid for, in so many words.
If there was a negotiation for the Gagne factor, it was the little live child, playing in a dead toddler’s room, with the toddler’s own collection of toys, with voice-over of Cindy asking ‘are you alright’? (implies the photos of the child were current in the taping of the 48 HRS special and actually taken inside the Anthony home with Cindy looking on, and also dispells any question about how the child was feeling at that moment).
This living breathing child in Caylee’s own room, was one of the strongest enhancements that CBS and Cindy could plan, and it was indeed, the surprise moment in the special.
Brad would not give that away, nor would Cindy. I’d guess that alone, would be worth 10 grand as it was a double-take moment, an emotional tug in the story.
Cleverly laundered from prying spousal inquiry, if Brad had been acting in negotiations for the interests of Holly Gagne, what better way to do it than right under everyone’s view. No one asked the question.
Say, how does the IRS handle ‘licencing fees’ paid to individuals for their personal photos and video? What about a deal that puts money into a lawyer’s account for future fees, or into a trust for a client, for a retainer? Is it still ‘income’?
And full circle back to the Nancy Grace show July 31, 2008, Holly Gagne with a law office backdrop and professionally lit ‘studio’ set up for her spot to support Casey and her parents.
Could it be that she has been paid or reimbursed for her contribution to the media build-up that was being orchestrated from early on with the California connections, Todd Black and so on. If there was money to be made, why not pay for help– Holly would have nothing to add as a witness at trial presumably, but she could get out in front as a character witness for the young mother. They might have been better to use her acting skills to plead for the child’s safe return.
She’s in this like a dirty shirt and maybe now is benefiting financially to help with her own legal problems.
Looks like little ole HOLLY has some other “issues” with playing by the rules that guide law abiding, honest, GOOD people! UMMMM Birds of a feather flock together!
Defendant GAGNE, HOLLY A
Plaintiff TARGET NATIONAL BANK
HARO, SASHA, Esquire
Retained
954-735-4455(W)
Events & Orders of the Court OTHER EVENTS AND HEARINGS
08/27/2009 Civil Cover Sheet
08/27/2009 Complaint
09/02/2009 Summons Issued
ISSUED ON 9/2/09; ORG TO JJL
11/10/2009 Summons Returned Unserved
Now not being too judgemental here, after all it is Sunday afternoon, but golly gee willikers, Haven’t these folks ever heard of the TEN SUGGESTIONS, oops I mean TEN COMMANDMENTS, that are present in the OLD and the NEW Testaments! Or maybe even that pesky homily, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”! GEESH! Such wonderful wonderful “role models”, N O T !
#213 is there a “Notice of Appearance” for Tomasita D. Cowell, showing that she has been retained as Casey’s attorney? What date did this new attorney come on board? As Blink asked … is there a “withdrawal” of attorney Kasen?
# 227 Kleat – is there a DATE on the entry with attorney Tomasita Cowell’s name on the Clerk’s site?
If Mz Cowell was in addition to attorney Kasen, wouldn’t it list BOTH of the attorney names on the Clerk’s entry?
Is the Notice of Unavailability that Kasen filed in September, permanent withdrawal from the Zenaida case???
http://humbleopinionforum.net/cma-whos-who-list/judicial-system/
Tomasita D. Crowell – Crowell & Carmona, P.A., Maitland, FL. Atty. representing Casey Anthony in ZFG civil case. Case # 2008-CA-024573-O
Jonathan B. Kasen – Law Office Of Jonathan B Kasen P. A., Fort Lauderdale, FL. representing Casey Anthony in the ZFG civil suit and Casey’s counter-suit filed against Zenaida Gonzalez. On 9/14/09 Kasen filed Notice of Unavailability with Clerk of Courts.
200 Celebration Pl, Kissimmee, FL
What is there besides Disney Cruise lines? This address is 20 miles from Hopespring Dr., an estimated half hr drive. So it’s possible that someone living on Hopespring Dr., could commute easily to this address, say, if they happened to work for Walt Disney World Resort?
And Disney has an ABC connection, doesn’t it. But I can’t go further, to know if the Ken Gagne that is a Planned Work Specialist for WDWR, was the Anthony family’s close friends and neighbors.
Thinker, I don’t know, the case header just lists the attorney. Really, when you think about it, this is the case they call ‘friv’, so why would they need a line of attny’s. I don’t know how notice of an attorney is filed, I would guess that’s done when the attorney does something official, like files something, or is added when the other attorney withdraws. Maybe someone can pick up the ball here.
I just started reading this site maybe a week ago. I AM OBSESSED.
I have spent the last two days trying to catch up on previous posts going back to the beginning – following links to videos and transcripts. I am bleary eyed and I have so much more to read. I am also in awe of the research you all have done.
One of Cindy’s first interviews was on the M & J Show (?) – end of July ’08. She blamed the media for all that was going wrong with the search for Caylee. She told the interviewers – You will all be held responsible if Caylee isn’t back home with us – or something to that effect. Mega stones.
Cindy – mistruths, halftruths, misinformation, blah, blah, blah.
LIES, LIES, and MORE LIES – that’s what we call them.
(FYI – I’m in 3 feet of snow and nowhere to go!!!)
Websleuths were discussing in Nov. 2008 about TOMASITA D CROWELL, so I don’t think this something new.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75157
No, it is not, I think the question was re-raised due to Kasen’s notice of unavailability- and what about Kirschbaum??
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But the last thing filed that we can easily see, is the Certif. of Service furnished by mail, November 24, 2009, was to Kasen in Ft. Lauderdale.
Maybe they want someone closer, or with better public appeal. Someone maybe who agrees to join the ‘joint’ defense as Tennis and Conway have. Someone closer to Baez’s office. Or maybe she’s cheaper per hr, maybe she wants the promotion, maybe she’ll agree to wait until the shipload of fees comes in with whatever Baez has in the works, maybe she wants to move into criminal law. Maybe it’s as simple as a Hispanic woman lawyer being able to go up against a Hispanic woman and her big non-hispanic legal team as some useful tactic, someone who can argue the ‘two last names’ issue to a jury as this is not the person Casey was talking about, no ‘C.’, no Fernande- no Fernandez.
Dear Blink -
thanks so for your very important words in this season in which we celebrate the birth and early years of the Prince of Peace!
I am also unbelievably moved by the comments in postings #18, 30, 53, 56, 73 and 208! (Yes I take notes!)
Hatred only pulls down the one who hates not the one who is hated.
That said: I don’t hate George – I pity him beyond belief and I do believe that he truly loved Caylee.
As for Cindy -she is evil. I do not hate her .. but evil needs to be exposed for what it is, debunked, and isolated.
It is clear that Cindy viewed Caylee as a possession – and in fact Lee and Casey both acknowledge that Cindy called Caylee “Casey’s best mistake”. I firmly believe that if you call a child a “mistake baby” – you do not really love that child! I thought that term “mistake baby” was rightly viewed as garbage and morally incorrect back in the 1970s! But using it in this day and age is breath-taking!
Cindy will do whatever it takes to ensure that her family is viewed as being perfect – including protecting Casey to implicate the fictitious Zenaida or instill reasonable doubt in a jury …because again – Cindy’s family is perfect …because Cindy is perfect. …She’s the TEN!
Furthermore – what grandmother who has AN ARMY of people involved in trying to help get to the bottom of the lying morass her daughter has created, not only NEVER says “thank you” – but rather denigrates and belittles these people as “No Life Bloggers.” Cindy – I take the epithet on as a mantle of glory!!!
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH how I hope that the State Attorney’s Office goes after Cindy for ANYTHING after Casey’s trial (e.g., filing false crime report to police [after all, Casey did not steal the car - it was a gift to her from her parents], aiding and abetting after the fact, obstructing an investigation??) – because this woman belongs behind bars!!!
That’s not hatred – that’s justice! And to let Cindy’s lying excuses to protect Casey go unpunished is to allow Casey to get away with murder!
But Blink – as usual – you are on target…we must be careful to not let a desire for justice to froth over into abject hatred.
God Bless us all – and especially Blink – and a wonderful 2010 to all!
HNY and God Bless
B
Alrighty. Now, if Holly Gagne is found guilty of these charges, would that not mean that she would not be a very good character witness. Can any of this be brought up at trial.
Also, if she were to have a record, would she not have to step down from the fondation. Can she still hold a position on the board, if she is found guilty.
It’s just too much of a coincidence that Brad Conway is representing her. Anybody….
I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around understanding the need for a Construction Law and Litigation/Commercial Litigation Specialist for a defamation suit. I remember hearing about Macaluso being a high powered expert in liability litigation and the possibility they were going to try to say Caylee died by accident in the Anthony home, but that was just speculation. Is Macaluso still a member in good standing of the California bar? Is he still on the case? Does anyone have any idea where the defense can be going by retaining this particular lawyer?
I have always said that the most important person in this whole mess, Caylee would not want all this hate towards her family. Children are full of love,forgiveness and so innocent. She would not want everyone to hate her mother even IF she knew ALL the bad about Casey. We adults could learn a lesson from the innocent loving forgiving children.. it seems to get more and more lost as times goes on…………………………..
Blink,
Thank God, woking now I was going through withdraw!
Wow Joan! Some thought provoking questions! Now come we all to notice that the pillars of the community, the Anthony family, are surrounding themselves with stellar members of society: the Milsteads who are proposing to be parental figures and role models to young girls in moral distress while they, the KFN founders search with due dilligence, turmoil and the sweat of their collective brows along with the Anthonys and their teddy bear foundation provide baby sitting services to a woman who practices domestice violence with a deadly weapon and subsequently serves as a shining beacon of light to the legal community against violent actions via the CMA foundation and the collected funds and of course, let us not forget her staltward testimony to profess CMA sr. and jr. as GrandMOTY & MOTY (oh heck, let’s just make it the DECADE!)
Ya gotta give Conway SOME credit: He didn’t take on Joy WRAY as a client!
Lol. The only credit I give him in that regard is the identification of a conflict dressed in sausage casing.
Wray is represented by an attorney who is very well thought of amongst LE and Attorneys alike.
Although, I can’t say I understand why. Not a fan of hers. If she were lucid she would be in jail.
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.41 Comment by MJ — December 31, 2009 @ 4:24 pm
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Good post, I agree the lying is pathological & has ruined too many innocent lives for the Anthonys to ever just say whoops we made mistakes under duress…please except us as child advocates, book authors…whatever their next big money making scheme will be down the line & let bygones be bygones.
I don’t think even God has that in mind for the Anthonys because somewhere down the line they will pay for their sins, and public condemnation isn’t payment enough by long shot!
I’m still waiting for obstruction, lying under oath charges, tampering with evidence….yet they continue to get by with criminal deeds.
It’s almost as if Satan has the Anthony’s backs & the devil’s winning. Many people who’ve obstructed justice on a much lesser scale have been brought to justice & spent time in jail so why not them?
Just is look at American Justice, The Investigators, Cold Case, Forensic Report many have been arrested for tampering, obstructing a lot less than the Anthonys, they tried countless times to stall & disrupt the investigation which would lead to the truth. The Anthonys are allergic to truth they hate it as we hate baby killers & those who protect them.
When you hurt so many, have a hand in covering the murder of a child, well imho that’s what hell is for…we know that’s where Casey is going & unless her family does a sudden about face, which I doubt… they are headed to eternal damnation or at the least a lengthy stay in purgatory.
I’m not religious or overly judgmental but I know I’m a hell of a lot better person than any of the Anthonys.
They have failed as civilized human beings in more ways than I care to list. But as someone said they continue to break just about all the 10 Commandments & are showing no signs of remorse or guilt for their ongoing atrocious actions.
Is there anyone in the Anthonys’s close inner circle who is not a convicted felon or in some sort of trouble with the law? Is the Jillian aka Tengard lady who spews all kinds of crap online defending Casey & imo helping her friends the Anthonys taint the jury pool really Holly Gagne? This woman claims she went on the Bahamas Cruise with the Anthonys & that she has cancer. I read some of her totally ridiculous comments over at MD’s & wondered who the hell she is.