Morgan Harrington Murder: Anchorage Farm Could Yield Even More Clues
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Charlottesville, VA– In a new development in the murder investigation of Morgan Dana Harrington, blinkoncrime.com has learned that Anchorage Farm was very much a frequent party spot for local musicians.
In fact, there was a 7 Mile Sleepover exactly one week after Morgan’s disappearance from the JPJ arena that included an invitation list of over 130 guests.
Jenny Bass, the adult daughter of David and Nancy Bass, is an accomplished pianist, musician, horticulturist and artist in the Charlottesville community.
The Seven Mile Sleepover appears to have been posted prior to Morgan’s disappearance, approximately October 14, 2009.
While it is unconfirmed how many guests actually attended the event, it is clear there could have been over 100 people within a few hundred yards of Morgan’s final resting place a week after she went missing, and presumably, her death.
As Anchorage Farm is a verified crime scene in an active murder investigation, one wonders if anyone found anything they may not have realized of importance at the time.
According to her facebook, Ms. Bass was clearly disturbed by her discovery as well:
Jason Mateos and Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors to this report
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diana h, ever since enquirer said that this was drug connected,i have thought that surely le would be persuing every drug angle they could ,roundin them up and obtaining search warrants ,i thought someone who knows how to nosy around court documents and records should start tracking drug busts and search warrant rec’s, there i think we would find links to the progress le is making,and start coming to close to the person who supposedly gave morgan a ride and claims to have dropped her off ,if indeed that is true,as per enquirer.and does anyone have an idea why sara didnt ask morgan why /how she got outside,or do you think ,she did,and le has just revealed the reason why morgan exited.i would definately ask my friend how she ended up outside,later allegedly,sara,answered “to smoke”—what?to make of that?it was and still is a mystery why she left,except jpj was new,right?and the old arena was the pavillion?and it was an in/out system? was the greatful dead at the new or old ?the grateful dead show would have had a huge,uge,uge,parking lot party.
48.susanm says:
June 16, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Susanm,
regarding the JPJ arena and the Charlottesville Pavilion. They both opened within a year of each other so they are both relatively new venues (Pavilion in 2005 and JPJ in 2005 or 2006). The old arena venue that was replaced by JPJ arena is U-Hall, not the Pavilion. The U-hall building was deemed unsafe many years ago which is one of the reasons they decided to build JPJ arena.
The Dead show was at JPJ arena on April 15th of 2009. JPJ arena has a capacity of approx 15,000 people while the Pavilion has a capacity of approx 3,500 people.
susanm-The “old arena” was U-Hall, directly across Massie Road from the JPJ Arena. The Pavillion is an open-air entertainment venue located at the end of the pedestrian mall (formely Main Street Charlottesville) and is not a University facility. I guess I’m not as informed as I sometimes believe. I did not realize the remaining members of Grateful Dead had performed in Charlottesville until reading about it here. I Goggled the event out of curiosity, and the concert was at JPJ. If Morgan did attend that concert, it would seem she would have been familiar with the layout of the arena, the fact that bathrooms are plentiful, and perhaps the location of the inside smoking area if she had resumed smoking by April. I don’t know that she would have had any reason to know with certainty of the no re-entry policy, but as a point of interest, the same policy exists at the sports/entertainment complexes on Tech’s campus according to their websites. If this piece of information about her attendance at the April concert is true, it makes me think that maybe her travel across the parking lots wasn’t completely random the night of the Metallica concert. If she was familiar with the parking lot scene from a prior concert, perhaps she did think there was a good chance of finding a group from either Harrisonburg or Ronaoke for a ride home if she was really mad at her friends and wanted to just get away from them for the rest of the night. At the very least she might have thought there would be a fun group to hang out with until her oh so thoughtful friends finished having their good time inside.
Looking through some old documents and came across this one…
http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/xp-224154
I believe that Blink confirmed that Morgan made no calls or sent any texts after leaving the arena, and that Sarah called Morgan around 8:48 or sometime around then. During that conversation it’s indicated in the timeline of the attached document, that Morgan said she would “try to find a ride home from friends around Charlottesville.” If she was trying to find a ride home wouldn’t that normally mean a call or text to someone? How can we believe this was Morgan’s plan if she never attempted to use her phone for that purpose? I know that police were asking if she had possibly used someone’s phone. But why would she need to borrow someone’s phone if she has hers in her hand. I understand that her phone went dead around 9:30. But why would she have waited that long to start contacting people to pick her up once she knew she couldn’t get back inside? How do we know for sure that her cellphone went dead around 9:30? Is that the last time a ping to a cellular tower was noted from her phone? If it was a ping, what will the ping tell us? Does it only give a general vicinity? Also I am curious as to what provoked Sarah to call Morgan in the first place? Was she just checking on her? Can we assume that since Sarah called to check on Morgan that the friend argument was with Amy? That’s probably not even important.
I know I’m rambling. I just see the conversation stalling a little so I’m trying to offer whatever I can in hopes it may lead to something.
Another thought or two. Have the Police been able to speak directly to the attendants that denied Morgan re-entry? I don’t think they need to be hung and shot, they were only following policy…just wondering if they have been able to give Police an idea as to Morgan’s demeanor. Do we know for a fact that Morgan’s bank card was used? Do we know where? Do we know the time?
RE #3 #4 June 16th Good points Tarheel It also bothers me why Morgan made no calls or sent any texts after leaving the arena, if in fact she was going to “try to find a way home from friends around Charlottesville.”
It also bothers me that Charlottesville is a long way from her home, so if she ever said such a thing, what “home ” was Morgan talking about, and did she really think she could get a two hour ride home.
Also having established that Sarah in fact called Morgan that changes something for me. Originally I thought Morgan called from outside the arena and that it would be hard for Sarah to hear her, Sarah would have had the chance to position herself to hear Morgan better than picking up a random call from Morgan. It also shows me that Morgan for some reason was not motivated to call her “friends”….Why? Because she was upset with them…we know there was a falling out of some kind….if we are to believe reported sightings we also know Morgan was seen walking all around outside for approximately an hour ….. choosing not to not contact her friends , but also not incapacitated.
I also would like to know what the attendants who denied Morgan re entry had to say about Morgans demeanor ..and the bank card thing …….
We have been given so little information …my heart is heavy for Morgan and her family …how can a girl just disappear and reappear murdered in a hay field 3 months later it is a travesty!
Wrong wrong wrong wrong , where are the leads, why the silence from LE ..SO disheartening.
Thankyou Blink for what you do….
@ Eloise says:
June 16, 2010 at 2:14 pm
It makes more sense this way, if you assume that Sarah had the keys.
I have just recently come to visit here and FindMorgan to read over many of you all’s astute and caring posts. The commitment and dedication to this young girl is beyond amazing. There are several things I would like to mention but fear being so new, I may be ‘behind’ the times. However one thing that just hit me, in my chest, like a wave of panic occurred. I have never been able to reconcile MH hitch hiking as so many others have said. But what did hit me, where I had this awful feeling in my heart/chest was thinking: I would only have stuck out my thumb on that bridge that night if I felt someone was after me. That someone had scared me and I wanted to get away as quickly as possible. I assume at this point she had no working phone? and pocketbook?. Or could they have been stolen or lost prior to the point at the bridge. It makes me wonder if she had not been frightened or approached in an uncomfortable way and this was her attempt to protect herself, in fear and needing to find someone safe.
Also can anyone tell me what time the band-Metallica began to play and when the concert ended? I’ve not seen references to this.
One other thing to add. When I was in my ‘Babe’ years, and was single and did the concert things, the only only only thing that would have gotten me to leave the Arena/Venue would have been an opening or invitation to a backstage pass or to meet the band/after party with them. I have wondered if someone approached her earlier that evening-or even online at an earlier point via some sort of connection, and told her that they could get her backstage or whatever, but she would ‘have’ to keep it quiet and he could only get her and not her friends too, backstage or whatever. If she went outside to supposedly meet him, he didn’t show obviously, but he may have succeeded in getting her outside, alone and vunerable on that cold rainy evening and watched to make a move from that point on. It has never made sense to me that she left to smoke, drink, whatever, as all that could be done inside the Arena. Even a little bit of pot smoking goes on in these concerts and has for years w/out problems. Even if she was angry at her girlfriends for whatever, or they at her, I would think she would have just gone to another part of the Arena to watch the bands and cool off and still be present. I think she probably had been drinking as most everyone there would have been as well. If she was drugged maybe she left d/t that and then felt better and wanted back in. But she knew the rules. MH was a smart savvy young woman. That being said ALL 20 year olds do foolish things and behave strangely at times—that is to be expected and full emotional maturity comes with age and experience. God knows I was over trusting and naive at her age.
Still my heart breaks, for all victims of all crimes and I so hope this case is solved soon.
I clicked on the link posted by Tarheel. I think it does contain one erroneous bit of information. The A marker states Morgan was told she could only return with a ticket stub. Use of a ticket stub is not arena policy as has been much discussed. She would have needed an un-scanned ticket to re-enter the arena. I wanted to point this out because I don’t think it would be productive to begin the discussion all over again as to why she did not have her ticket stub, or why one of her traveling companions didn’t take the stub to her at the door. Even if she had her scanned ticket in her purse, it would have been useless as a means of re-entry. If the ticket office was still open, her only option for re-entry was to purchase a new ticket. Don’t know this for a fact, but IMO LE has spoken several times with all attendants who had contact with her when she was trying to regain entry. Again, only my opinion, but I have always thought interviews with these individuals is one of the reasons LE is confident Morgan was in the arena for part of the evening. I do not believe they would have relied completely on information from Amy, Sarah and Dan as confirmation that she did arrive and entered the facility.
For me, the new information did make things clearer. For some reason, Morgan did not make a call once she was outside. When prompted, she told Sarah, who presumably still had her keys (was that why she called? did she think Morgan had disappeared?), that she would find a way home, but she did not attempt to contact anyone. Instead, she meandered around the parking lots towards the bridge, where she subsequently disappeared.
Her phone went dead the time she was on the bridge. Did she remove the battery, because she was with someone she knew? Or did the BG incapacitate her in the close vicinity, and did he subsequently remove the battery?
There is a difference between being upset and irrational. Once outside, Morgan would have had any reason to be upset, but that doesn’t mean she would rather hitch hike than at least try to contact *someone*. To me, there are only two explanations, either Morgan was too impaired to text anyone, or she met up with someone she knew, who just happened to be there.
thanks for the jpj, pavillion ,gratefuldeadinfo,a thought what if hugely was meeting his 8 ball dude in the rv lot for a purchace?
Shiloh, welcome to BOC- I think your scenario of why Morgan would HH is plausible. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
Thanks to Tarheel- Eloise, AnotherB Diana H- MSL, susanm and all- for trying to keep us all thinking… much appreciated.
Hummingbird-
I am feeling your pain. I am banging my head against the wall, also. We seem to be at a stand still, or at least unsure again as to what is known and what is not….
Like Gifter3, I was under the assumption for a long time that the texts to the friend 60 miles away took place while Morgan was in the p-lot wandering around- I was taken aback to learn that Morgan was never in contact with anyone via her phone during the entire time she was in the lots. (other than SS call)
I was also under the assumption that Dan C was not in the girls initial plan to attend. I thought both Morgan’s car being used and Dan C driving/ attending was a deviation from THE Plan-
Was Morgan friends with Dan C or was he just a BF of a friend? Why was his name kept underwraps for so long, especially if he was supposed to be there, and was simply another friend that had planned to go for 6 mnths? Did he not have his own car? Why didn’t he use it?
After so much time, I feel like I know nothing for certain. Can someone, please tell me the facts of that night?
Morgan was locked out of the concert by the end of LOG-
She was reported to have had received a phone call from SS where she told her she was locked out and SS brainstormed some ideas on how to get back inside- that phone call also reportedly conveyed Morgan’s stance that SS and her friends not worry that she would get a ride home from friends….
Besides the obvious, so much about this scenario bothers me.
Can someone please repost the times of LOG leaving the stage and Metallica taking the stage? Please.
The reason I ask is, it does not seem plausible that Morgan had enough time to leave her seat/get hurt or sick, then make it through the crowd and halls to the br, be able to get cleaned up/use the facilities, cry in the br, then find herself locked out and knowingly unable to regain entry by the time of SS call.
Why would SS be calling Morgan so soon after her leaving for the BR- and why would Morgan tell her not to worry she would find a ride home?
If there was an argument, as Blink as surmised, and SS was concerned enough to call Morgan so soon after the BR, why on earth wasn’t she panic stricken by the thought of Morgan saying she was going off on her own to find a ride with whomever to where ever????
Why would SS and company feel comfortable enough, to take Morgan’s car and leave Cville without Morgan?
Why wouldn’t Morgan immediately call someone or text someone- outside of those at the concert, especially if she was at odds with those attending?
Morgan’s phone was obviously still working up to that point- right? She did talk with SS via her phone…… If the conversation was more along the lines of Forget you all- I’ll be better off finding a way home with some real friends- I would think Morgan would immediately want to vent to someone, a friend, about what had happened up to this point.
Morgan’s phone did not go dead until 9:30 correct? Why didn’t she communicate with someone via her phone while locked out? Texting comes as second nature- Did she at least have internet access on her phone- Did she access her FB MS or Twitter- or email anyone during this time?
Morgan seemed to not be in a hurry to get to any particular place around JPJ- It has been reported that she was seen at various spots along the way toward the bridge. It was reported that before she made her way toward the bridge, that she tried to regain access at several different doors.
Where was she going and why would she leave her car?- Why were her friends not worried about Morgan stating that she was willing to leave her car with them and find a ride home with friends? If Morgan made no attempts to call or text someone during the time in the PLot – How was she going to get in contact with these friends to find a way home?
If she was walking to a friends place- How would she have known they were home and why not take the shortest route between two points? why walk all the way around the lots to the back of JPJ? If it was her intention to HH why not do so from the other exits that were closer to the front of JPJ?
Was Morgan trying to meet up with some friends that were in sports? We know the BBP were practicing that night. Did she have friends that were BBP? Were there other teams playing or practicing that night? Did Morgan have friends that were amongst these teams? Did her brother Alex play any sports, did any of his friends? Would Morgan think one of these friends of Alex’s or maybe a past coach or teacher of Alex’s or friend of her father’s be able to give her a ride, or at least a place to hang out until the concert was over?
Was Alex in any fraternities? Were any of his friends? Did he live on campus or off while he attended school there? Did Morgan have friends on the lawn? Did Morgan know of some friends of Alex’s or her father’s that reside on the lawn or close by? Perhaps in the direction she was walking?
Someone, anyone, please, help me answer these questions.
Blink, maybe you could do a piece where you post a fact sheet, of what is known vs what is not known. So we all can stop fixating on wrong info, or assumptions.
We so want to help bring Morgan’s killer to justice… But I think alot of us just feel like we are spinning our wheels, never getting anywhere- no definitive facts – nor info.
Praying for strength for the Harringtons and justice for Morgan
I was looking over a map
http://findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3194&page=6
There is a lot of close proximity to where Morgan’s shirt was found; and the crime scene of Yeardley Love.
Also:
A search warrant was served at 222 14th St. NW.
A search warrant was served at 230 14th St. NW.
Two vehicles were seized.
I always assumed they belonged to GH and YL — but could one of the addresses or cars belong to the friend that GH ran to after the murder?
If one of the cars seized, had some MH DNA…it could connect a lot of dots.
Praying for justice for Morgan
More questions-
Does anyone know if Morgan’s phone was operational once a battery was replaced?
Has it been looked at to find out what the problem was or if there was a problem other than no battery?
Also was it found to have unanswered messages and or texts from SS and other friends?
IIRC,One of Morgan’s friends early on FB ,stated that she had called Morgan and her phone rang and went to vm – she said this couldn’t have happened if the phone was without a battery or was nonoperational….
susanm — I think LE *is* picking up the drug dealing types. Some things – like search warrants – would be tough to find.Many would be sealed. (As we’ve seen lately with the sealed Huguely search warrants.)
Hoping for some kind of match when the DNA is back. They said it would be about 6 months, which would be by the end of July.
I definitely agree with those who would like the VSP to share a little more with the public, many of whom are trying to help. But… they also have to try to avoid compromising their investigations. So it must get to be like walking a tightrope.
I thought I would try & review some questions/ thoughts posed.
1. Tarheel says:
June 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
If she was trying to find a ride home wouldn’t that normally mean a call or text to someone? How can we believe this was Morgan’s plan if she never attempted to use her phone for that purpose?
1. Mom3.0 says:
June 17, 2010 at 12:03 am
If there was an argument, as Blink as surmised, and SS was concerned enough to call Morgan so soon after the BR, why on earth wasn’t she panic stricken by the thought of Morgan saying she was going off on her own to find a ride with whomever to where ever????
Reflecting on those two statements logically causes me to think it was because she was looking for someone. We have been told she made no call while outside, but maybe she talked to someone before that timeframe. Whether it was like what MSL said- a prior plan to go backstage, or just a meet up. She may have been in a disagreement with her friends, and decided to act upon an offer she was previously given. ‘Screw it, I’ll just go meet so & so.’ She may not have found this person or group and tried to reenter. They certainly have said she was seen trying to get back in at several locations. The other thought I had was she was looking for the friends she came with. For some reason LE is acting like these tidbits are vital to the investigation. ???
Also, how do we know Sarah understood Morgan correctly? That’s a lot of eggs in one basket. I really believe the argument caused alot of assumption on the friends part instead of them realizing it wasn’t just anger by Morgan, that something was terribly wrong.
Additionally, I believe on FM they have reviewed that DW the door guy said Morgan had been wandering near the exit and stated she was looking for friends. Later when interviewed he said I assume she went out to find friends as she had previously mentioned it, but she didn’t go out the door by me, but at someone other door, so I don’t know for certain. Exact post below.
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3825&page=6
So it is my belief she was duped. Whether she was set up by someone all along, or was innocently outside to meet up with someone and therefore got picked up. I tend to think the working theory by the Harrington’s is that her phone may have been disabled on it’s own and not nefariously done. I’m not sure about that. B/c the purse was with the phone and the battery being lost is one thing. Both being together leads me to think its disabling was deliberate.
mag603 says:
June 17, 2010 at 12:14 am
If one of the cars seized, had some MH DNA…it could connect a lot of dots.
Good point Mag. At this point anything would help. I think finding out whose couch Huguley was on would assist us an awful lot. It’s all ridiculously hush-hush and suspicious. Maybe he is the POI, but the info has been scarce way before Yeardley was killed, so I don’t know we can infer anything without more info.
I just don’t know what else we can do? And MOM3, I have always wondered about the questions you asked about the areas Alex may have frequented, maybe it doesn’t matter?
Someone here mentioned her attending the Dead show last april and maybe having some familiarity with the arena because of this. This really got me thinking about the latest info from Dr Harrington about the phone usage, Blink’s info about an argument between friends, and her familiarity with the Dead show parking lot scene.
I think it is entirely possible that she could have thought that the parking lot scene would be similar to the scene during the Dead concert.
But there is not the same “vibe” or even the same amount of people outside during a metal show. It’s just a different scene. Of course the Dead show parking lot scene is MUCH tamer these days than 20-30 years ago but still, it’s a Dead show. Some people go just for the parking lot scene and never even go inside.
Morgan also spent a lot of time at festivals, this would be similar to the parking lot at a Dead show.
I really think that because she made no effort to contact anyone once she was locked out, and from what I have heard about her approaching the BBP’s and their subsequent conversation, that she was just trying to make the best of a bad situation and was trying to have fun.
Once she realized she was not getting back inside I honestly think that she was not all that distressed about it. I think she decided to forget about the friends inside, forget about the concert and just try to find something to do and some people to do it with.
It’s very likely that she thought there might be some partying going on and some laid back groups hanging out in the lots. And she meandered her way around all of those parking lots looking for people.
But I do not think that she was freaking out and freezing cold and crying while walking through the parking lots. She would have attracted more attention, possibly been arrested and we would have had some sort of witness testimony to this behavior, even rumors of it.
We do have several “witness” stories and rumors regarding all of the other strange happenings and different emotional behavior from the sightings inside the arena and a few from her attempts to get back in.
And, the biggest reason of all, if she was that upset about being outside, she would have been calling and texting at least one person.
Just my opinion!
>>12.Mom3.0 says:
June 17, 2010 at 12:03 am
If the conversation was more along the lines of Forget you all- I’ll be better off finding a way home with some real friends- I would think Morgan would immediately want to vent to someone, a friend, about what had happened up to this point.
Morgan’s phone did not go dead until 9:30 correct? Why didn’t she communicate with someone via her phone while locked out? Texting comes as second nature- <<
It seems to me that an obvious theory here is that she didn’t try to contact anyone to vent to because she was already with (or had planned to meet soon) someone that she knew well enough to be able to do her venting.
Presumably this same someone was the one she felt comfortable enough with to get her home.
This raises the crucial question who knew Morgan and the AF area?
Focusing on that theory for a while the other things – such as purse in parking lot, talking to BB players, even the hitch hiking – can be temporarily dismissed as irksome distractions from that main question. Who knew Morgan, well enough for her to trust, and also knew the AF area?
The fact that there is no evidence that she tried to contact someone after she left JPJ Arena, really makes me think that she was not in the company of a stranger that night.
Really, that – to my mind – is the only thing that makes sense when taking into account what we have been told about Morgan and her seemingly good measure of common sense.
Long time:
I gave a personal apology more than a month ago. I do not wish to start any discussions, only when timely and with the understanding that I am on double secret probation [Animal House, seems appropriate with the other crime] I would like to speak to the facts.
My opinions are at about 80% with Blink. My opinions should not be listened to without a request. I would like to say that my independent research confirms to me that Blink is correct in her assessment of on going investigations and some of the questions of conflict of interest. For now that is enough for me to say about facts. On another note, I believe in casting a big net and drawing in small fish as well as the big fish. If allowed, I on this forum will help cast the net and do the the dirty work. If not, well I will keep going and contrary to others believes I do feel that Blink is a good Lady with a great mind. My all time favorite line from American Music is from Bob Segar: “I wish I did not know know what I didn’t know then”. Well I do know know now what I didn’t know then, so all I can say is that Blink will be the one person that will never give up, if heaven forbid that there is no arrest for a lengthy time Blink will be here for Morgan, And that is a fact!
This is the first time we hear that SS drove from JMU to C’ville. We always thought Dan drove because southern women like to give their men the courtesy (huh?) Oh yes, I remember that conversation, do you?
What the heck is going on? Why was that fact kept secret for so long? It would have been easy to clear up right away in the beginning. I don’t see how that info could interfere with the investigation.
…or could it?
Tarheel: Dr. Harrington has posted that Morgan’s bank card was not used after she went missing. Sorry, I cannot locate his post, but I am sure he clarified that misconception.
I don’t know if he posted it or not, but I can tell you that is accurrate.
B
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/96415834.html?storySection=comments
I find it disappointing that people have to be so rude in their comments. Do people have to be so heartless?
Sadly, there is plenty of that out there.
I don’t think people will be so quick to dismiss the validity of that petition when the amount of grant money that went into that arena is known, and it does not even have a suitable CCTV system that will pass Homeland Security Code.
However, Morgan did not vanish inside the arena as we know.
B
TSinTN says:
June 17, 2010 at 5:04 am
It seems to me that an obvious theory here is that she didn’t try to contact anyone to vent to because she was already with (or had planned to meet soon) someone that she knew well enough to be able to do her venting.
Presumably this same someone was the one she felt comfortable enough with to get her home.
This raises the crucial question who knew Morgan and the AF area?
*****
Exactly. Did they hangout with these people prior to the concert and that is where the idea of hooking up again ocurred to Morgan? Are we not hearing about this b/c they don’t want to tip off the POI?
I do not think Morgan had a specific plan, although I considered it strongly in the beginning.
I think she was sad/furious that she got locked, possibly injured and she wanted out of there.
B
I just read a 26 year old female from Faquier went missing from a Phish concert in Portsmouth on Tuesday night. She was with friends, got separated, they could not find her and left. Now does that sound strikingly familiar? Actually the girl does resemble Morgan a bit. This is on the WTVR website. Friends…you need to look after one another and take each other’s safety and wellbeing into account. You never leave anyone behind.
Thanks, I posted on it
B
Eloise, checked in on comments this morning and wanted to correct one small point. If by MSL you are referring to me, I’ve never expressed the opinion that Morgan was trying to get back stage. That’s not my opinion. I can’t tell you why I don’t believe that was her intention, just a feeling on my part. I have absolutely no idea why she decided to leave the arena on such an unpleasant night unless she was royally mad at her traveling buds. Just speaking from a comfort level, I would have wanted to stay inside where it was warm and dry. I’m speaking as a 35+ year old mother. Maybe when I was 20 I wouldn’t have been quite as concerned about a damp, cool, dark night. Thinking back though, I just don’t believe I would have been looking to hang out in a parking lot on such a night.
With regard to Dan C, I read early on (I believe one of the Blink threads) that the male member of the party replaced his girlfriend (last name Nichols?) as the 4th member of the party when she decided not to attend the concert. His named was kept quiet quite some time, but then it was finally posted (again, I believe I read the name on one of the Blink threads.)
Wanted to add, I also had the mistaken belief that she texted the male 60 miles away after leaving the arena. Just a thought, is it possible she was having trouble with her phone? Maybe she did try to contact someone but couldn’t. LE must have had a reason for asking if she used someone’s cell phone from the parking lot. Maybe it was just the fact that they also found it odd that she would have been in the lot for close to an hour without using her own phone at least once.
Welcome Shiloh, and hello everyone. Crazy summer but I’m always thinking of Morgan and wishing I could think of new stuff to research (and put an extra few hours in each day).
Shiloh raised the good point that someone could have promised Morgan backstage access/talent access. I and others also have thought that was possible, thus my suggestion months ago that we try to find folks who worked JPJA or RMC Events that night. That led to several interesting folks, some whose names we’ve discussed, others not (but all that I found, I private posted to Blink). At least one (ZL) is FB friends with almost the entire crew who lived on/partied at Sutherland Rd and other individuals we’ve discussed on BOC.
This is more random, but I also wondered about people who might have access to labs and University buildings near or between JPJA and the Lawn, along Alderman, etc. We found KH (who, remember, is a major link between groups we’ve pondered) and a couple of others who *also* work JPJA. Maybe we need to consider these folks–and their housemates–again. At a very minimum I suspect overlap with one individual on the mens’ lacrosse team.
**Has LE been advised to consider these people/their housemates? I know it is so time consuming and they only have so many staff working this case, but … **
I think we wondered here whether LE had interviewed late-night UVa staff who worked that night, for example cleaning crew, to see whether they noticed anyone in the buildings/labs who was not normally there.
Anxiously awaiting an update on James M. Brown. Has there been anything that I’ve missed?
Nice to see you acho
B
MSL, my error, should have said shyloh.
Maybe it is not relevent to what happened to Morgan, but it is a pattern that emerged from the beginning. Why have we been calling Dan C. “the designated driver”? Did we label him that? He was not the designated driver. Wonder when AM and SS decided he should be the one to drive home? I guess SS would have had to give him Morgan’s keys.
re: young woman missing from Phish concert. I had not heard about this disappearance. For those readers who believe in the power of prayer, please offer up a prayer for the safety of this young woman. Hopefully, she has already been found, but if not, the events sound eerily familiar to what happened to Morgan, separated from friends (for whatever reason) friends could not find her and returned home without her. Not much detail to the story, but I hope these friends did have the presence of mind to report her missing before they left Portsmouth. Blink, if you hear more on this story, please post an update.
Blink, when I refreshed BOC, I say that you had already posted on the story. Very quick response. I know we don’t have to ask that you keep us updated. This does lead to the question, have there been other disappearances or attempted abductions anywhere in the US, or perhaps in Virginia and surrounding states, that could have a similarity to either Morgan or this young woman’s disappearance. We are a very mobile society. There’s nothing to say that a really BG or guys will limit activity to his/their hometown.
I don’t think people will be so quick to dismiss the validity of that petition when the amount of grant money that went into that arena is known, and it does not even have a suitable CCTV system that will pass Homeland Security Code.
B
The JPJ was 100% privately funded. No grant money went in to it at all.
Well, that is technically true, but the donors may have issued a form of grants is what I meant.
B
Thank you kind people for your acknowledgment and welcome. As I said before I feel a bit strange coming here and insinuating myself in the midst of ‘pros’ in my mind. If I repeat anything already said, and it probably has been before, please forgive me. All I offer is my insight and experience. Experience being the primary feature, insight has come hard and slow for me.
I have had some thoughts, words come into my mind: infared technology and deer/bow hunters being connected. I waffle between a local and a more recently ‘transplanted’ student type or newfound local. As others have well stated…….
I have been the victim of violence, and from LE in one of the worst ways. I say this b/c I know a piece of the dark side of any sort of ‘group’ that has enormous allegiance to each other, for their jobs, reputation, for their intent not to be held accountable for their crimes/actions, and the group’s overall purpose for being. It is here that I find my solidarity to MH and ALL victims and I want so badly to find a justice for them, even if it could not be for me. Still we are all the same, one women’s child is mine and mine her’s in the highest form of love. I find this quality here and in abundance. It gives me great hope for the power of good to overcome evil. You all are beacons for every survivor of violence. No wonder shiny Morgan reflects such light and love—she has resonated with those here doing this work of light and love.
I will try to be quiet and just read and absorb. I am pretty sure most all scenerios have been mentioned and elaborated upon. Any repetition on my part will be due to ignorance or a stubborn insistence from my ‘gut’.
Back in the day, I dated a road manager with a very large famous group. He was my boyfriend for a time. The managers would ‘sub’ out help from the locals in each various cities vs. hiring their own large crew and moving them from city to city. The locals were more familiar with the stadiums/arenas/venues than the traveling band/staff was. I say this again, thinking of how each band has parties in every town, where locals are invited and even encouraged at times to join them. NOT as groupies–in no way do I think that this means any and all people invited are for ‘base’ purposes. Just simply gathering ‘pretty’ and interesting people for ‘glamorous’ fun. Looking back that was bs, but at the time it seemed that way.
That MH left the arena and never called anyone-not a friend in C’ville to get home or crash for the night, nothing, and just hung outside waiting. And this was a band she had waited 6 months to see? Again I’ll state this: even a fight between friends, would that have made me lose my intent to see this band? No, I would go to another part of the Arena away from the so called friends and watch the band and not lose my power over a petty girlfriend fight. She knew if she left she wasn’t getting back in unless she persuaded an employee to break the rules. This young woman was just too smart and pretty to be cruising a parking lot looking for random fun IMHO. A metal band is far different than the Deadhead types and MH would have known this I feel certain. Just as I don’t believe she would have HH’d unless she was joking with a known someone showing up or out of the need to get the hell out of dodge fast.
Oh well, here I write this and see another one of our ‘daughters’ missing in Portsmouth……..it will never end as long as the worshiping of woman (and children) as OBJECTS, as inanimate and insignificant, non feeling, sexual objects, end. Unfortunately with the epidemic of internet porno and media generated sexual violence/exploitation, etc…I don’t see this occurring anytime soon. Ugh……God help us all.
No choice but to keep on with the good fight. Sorry about the length of this.
Just a thought on why Morgan did not use her cell phone outside the arena. WHAT IF, she was thinking of someone that would help her in Cville, but did not know their number. My line of thinking here is, what if she casually knew some people through other people. Didn’t Blink hint at one time that Morgan’s XBF had a lax connection. What if Morgan decided she would make a b-line to where the lax players lived. Maybe it wasn’t the lax players, but maybe she was thinking along those lines. If you don’t know someone’s numbers, your cell phone is not going to be much help.
Can we generate a list of all shows and festivals Morgan attended last two years? Connect those dots with the woman missing in Portsmouth. Phish / GD / jamband seems more Morgan’s groove than Metalicca. I attended GD more times than i care to admit from Maine to Florida to SoCal to Seattle – all before Garcia died. The vibe was pretty sketchy at the end of Garcia and getting worse with the prevalence of X and hippie crack. Dirtbag riot grrls in their unwashed hollie-hobbies fighting in parking lots over the last hit. Bad bad scene. Nowhere close to the love-ins these things are protrayed to be. There is a veneer of that but the underbelly was pretty dark. I wondered on here months ago about connections to roadies, groupies, parking lot vendors.. The challenge is to connect it all back to AF, I guess. If Morgan’s familiarity was more in line with the hippie love parking lot scene i can see her seeking that out once locked out of JPJ. As it’s been mentioned, the metalicca scene is an altogether differnt vibe. Fans between and among these subgenres tend to identify way too seriously with their chosen entertainment – witness song lyrics, FB groups and comments, etc. But, my experience tells me these tours are real convienient places for people to hide who don’t wish to be found. I think this was LE’s motivation in following metallica and LOG down the road after Morgan’s disappearance.
I am still not sure she was inside JPJ at all, even if LE says so.
I am rethinking this whole thing.
What happened BEFORE JPJ concert?
Could it be that Morgan was left inside the car to sober up (thus, Sarah’s comment about “We wouldn’t have done it…..) If so, Maybe SS phone call was to check on her. However, if this did happen, it seems logical Morgan would try to call SS or text her when she woke up. And, maybe her cell phone was dead by then and she was wandering around, trying to get inside….this just doesn’t sound right to me.
So, since all the other scenarios sound unbelievable, I am saying they are just that. I am curious if a party or event in NG or AF happened prior to the concert and Morgan stayed behind, saying she would get a ride back to Harrisonburg. That explains why no one worried about her. However, the next day they were all surprised that she did not show up in Harrisonburg. Just a thought and a little more believable to me. What I don’t understand is why the “friends” did not call the Harringtons to say she was missing. Did they really drive back to Blacksburg WITHOUT Morgan and WITHOUT calling the Harringtons? (Did Dr. Harrington call someone’s cell while they were still in Harrisonburg or did he reach Amy when she returned to BB, when he called asking where Morgan was?) (I think it is Amy that lives in BB and Sarah in Harrisonburg.) Sorry, this gets very confusing after 8 months.
Does everyone believe she really made it to JPJ arena?
sjones-
Hey! I Missed your insights, and opinions. I hope you stick around.
Okay- I feel like I am in the twilight zone-
Dan C was not the DD? Many news articles quoted this as a fact- I did not just assume that…
What else has been reported as fact but is not?
All these little discrepancies could have been cleared up from the get go- SS was on FB early on.
I am so tired of everyone not giving us the simplest details. I don’t know if any of these details are important to finding Morgan’s killer- but for petes sake neither did her friends.
In every other missing person’s case the MP last hours and days are talked about from the get go-
If SS drove she had the keys- she called Morgan shortly after Morgan was locked out- Why didnt she do something?
I agree with everyone that said Morgan not calling people- and moving to the back of JPJ meant she knew who she wanted to meet up with-
Who did she know in sports or from the school or through her brother or father. It may not be important- I don’t know.
I know we dont have these answers but I hope LE sure does
zarpisimo, good thought- but if their # were not known one would tend to call around to other friends who may have their #
and if Morgan had web access on her phone she could have left a message for someone on their MS or FB
Was her phone broke or was it simply not working due to the battery?
I hope LE knows the answer to this and the answer to whether or not Morgan borrowed someone elses phone that night.
Blink you wrote:
I do not think Morgan had a specific plan, although I considered it strongly in the beginning.
I think she was sad/furious that she got locked, possibly injured and she wanted out of there.
B
I am sure SS was well aware of how Morgan felt- Now I understand why you are not so eager to let SS off the hook for her choices.
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Morgan was abandoned by her friends- period- why did they not tell the whole truth in the beginning? Why are we know hearing about further misconceptions now? It may not have any bearing on the case- but LE and Dr. Harrington were in the dark in the beginning too.
Casey Anthony was 22 years old when her daughter went missing… she did not report it- she lied to investigators. If we do not give her a pass on lying or on her mistruths or her omissions….
How can we just give a pass to Morgan’s friends on theirs?- I do not care how old they were, how drunk they were, how scared they were- Morgan needed them to be forthright and truthful-
Are we sure that they have been at least truthful to LE? I feel like hell to be back on the friends but- come on- what is their story?
Why was/is everything surrounding that night so hush hush?
ps I am not saying that Morgan’s friends are just like Casey Anthony-
I am not accusing them of murdering Morgan-
I am simply saying like Casey Anthony, they were not all together truthful or helpful to the investigation in the beginning (or am I assuming again?
Perhaps the reporting of this story is what is amiss- perhaps the friends told everything to the investigators in the beginning… I hope that is the case. ANd if it is than I apologize, for even speculating.
Here’s an attempt at a timeline (from the time Morgan was outside JPJA). Perhaps people could add to it, or make comments/corrections where needed. Perhaps we need to go from the beginning of the day on October 17? If someone has a better, more detailed version, I don’t mind using that one instead, I just know several people have suggested a timeline so I thought I would take a stab at it.
October 17, 2009
8:20-8:30 Morgan was seen by witnesses attempting to re-enter JPJA.
8:48 Morgan received call from Sarah Snead.
8:48-9:00 Morgan was seen by witnesses around JPJA.
9:00-9:10 Morgan was seen walking with purse through UHAll parking lot. No confirmation she was with anyone, but there were people around her walking in the same direction.
9:10-9:20 Morgan was seen in overflow parking area near Lannigan Field, adjacent to the track and the Copely Road Bridge. Area is known for overflow parking. Morgan had limited interaction with people who saw her.
9:20-9:30 Last confirmed sighting of Morgan was on the Copely Road Bridge.
October 18, 2009 Morgan’s purse found in the early a.m. by a Lacrosse player in the Lannigan Field parking area.
November 11, 2009 Morgan’s shirt found on Grady Avenue (though not confirmed yet).
January 1, 2010 Colby Eppard shot by Police after chase.
January 26, 2010 Sutherland Road fire destroyed home rented by students around 2:00 a.m. Morgan’s remains found on Anchorage Farm in the early a.m.
January 28, 2010 Former Greene County Sheriff William L. Morris’ death by suicide.
April 15, 2010 Announcement that shirt found in November is confirmed to be the one Morgan was wearing when she disappeared.
May 3, 2010 UVA lacrosse player George Huguely arrested for the murder of UVA lacrosse player Yeardley Love.
Oops, one more note. I realize that some of the items I included in the timeline may not be related to Morgan at all, but I felt since we had discussed them on this site, I would include them.
acho says:
June 17, 2010 at 9:00 am/ I think we wondered here whether LE had interviewed late-night UVa staff who worked that night, for example cleaning crew, to see whether they noticed anyone in the buildings/labs who was not normally there.
*****
Acho, first, no mention of JB that I have seen. Off the face of the earth?
What if we knew that certain groups liked to tour the UVA buildings as sort of a rush? Creepy crawly, at night to reach the roofs? Might someone with a different intention have gotten involved with such a group? I just dont know if they would want to drag her into a bldg that should have cameras. Is that what you are thinking Acho? I may be misunderstanding…
But, if the majority feels she would not have wanted to ditch the concert, yet was outside, claims of attempts to re-enter, what does that say? Logically. I mean I am sure she had a buzz, but I dont think that was cause for the situation. So what do we think would have been a motivator to be out? Let’s list a couple of things we each think, or completely refute and see what comes to light.
Possible situations for going outside-
1. Looking for someone, exited b/c someone told her they would let her back in and did not. ( this is my new cheese)
2. So angry & upset she thought she wanted to leave, then changed her mind when she calmed down. No reentry.
Refute:
1. Smoke/drugs
2. Was never there
My heart breaks for the Harrington’s! If I were in their shoes, I don’t know what I would do. I know they are feeling everyone’s frustrations times a million. Have they hired a PI? Does anyone know?
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Well, I am confused again. I thought Dr. H. said that Morgan made a call or texted a young man that was out of town and NOT a suspect. Now, word is she made no calls or texts? Which is it? Is LE telling them to state things to throw the bad guy(s) off? How unreal would it be if Morgan did not have her phone with her when she was locked out of the arena, but one of her friends inside the arena had it? Calls could still come in to her phone, but no calls from Morgan going out. Could this be a reason why Morgan was asking to borrow other people’s phones outside the arena? Could the friends have dropped it on the way out after the concert? It could easily be overlooked by a crowd leaving post concert in the dark. I still keep hoping that LE knows that Morgan called so snd so or left with a named person. If that is the case, LE is watching that person and waiting. They certainly are not going to give the general public heads up on this.
Gil and I traveled to Charlottesville today as this is the 8th month anniversary of Morgan’s disappearance and death. We revamped the Morgan Memorial at the Copeley bridge and were just stunned at the beautiful rocks. All shapes, sizes and colors. We removed many flowers and put up a new banner and placed each rock just so! Members of the press came and we did discuss the Morgan Rocks movement. Thank you all for caring and remembering. dan harrington
37.Mom3.0 says:
June 17, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Thank you and as to the question about the phone. I wish we could get that cleared up by Doctor Harrington, I believe if presented properly he would share his experience with the phone and possible defects or a history of Morgan removing the battery on purpose. I can not see that it would endanger the investigation. Most of us heard that there was a history of one or the other, does not make it a fact. If he would speak to that, it would be considered fact. Why does it matter? Well as he cleared up the driving arrangements to and from JPJA we all were able to move on. It is now a fact. The phone issue is something that would allow for many to move on. If there is no history of either than it would seem that the point of first physical conflict was at the place where the purse was recovered. However if there isnot a history it would not rule it out, only stay a point of debate. Anything at this point to move forward would be greatly appreciated. The Doctor does not tell falsehoods, he simply sometimes does not understand why we need to know. He knows and just as the driving arrangements takes it for granted. There is no fault in this, but I believe he is more aware of all of our thoughts now. The truth is only he and Gil know the answer, their opinion would be a fact in this case.
I hope we can make some assumptions become fact and move to the next step. I think we all want hear it from the top, that way no one can say that this or that was inferred. Should he be at our disposal, certainly not, but when he has a moment I am sure he would see fit to tell us. The Man is just so overwhelmed we must be patent, yet be clear and united as to why need to know.
You will have to settle for me. The battery was not recovered, and VSP believes it fell out when Morgan dropped her purse. It concerns me when I see someone make a request like that from a family member directly.
B
There were so many changes in their plans after 2pm October 17th. Blink, I can’t find the link. I know I’m not crazy. I remember that it was said that Morgan Nichols’ boyfriend went to the concert in her stead. I looked for hours, sometime in December 2009 I read it somewhere. I am not accusing the friends but from my point of view I see:
Changes, Lies (or as we have delicately said, mistruths) and Silence. Just looks bad because Morgan wound up murdered.
VSP better get this thing under wraps because we’re not going to let this go. EVER
Elf- We just recently got clarification that Morgan was texting that friend 60 miles away- before the concert- her last text with him was at 7:30 I believe…
alexandra, you’re not crazy- I remember this being reported early on as well. Morgan Nichol’s vs DC attending
Morgan was so excited to be going to the concert with all of her old friends- she talked to a friend about her excitement during a bus ride- anyone remember this? How would DC fit in to that scenario…. How long did MN and SS know DC and was DC a friend of Morgan Harrington? Was AM friends with him also?
Tarheel thanks for posting that time line- do you know what time they arrived at the concert? Also what time did LOG leave the stage?
How long was Morgan missing from her seat before SS called her? What time did Metallica take the stage?
RUmom- Hi, I am rethinking alot of things too- I think Morgan was there. But I am not sure of anything right now-
Maybe she wasn’t “gone” from the area at her last supposed siting on the bridge.
Can we be sure she didn’t return to JPJ doubling back at some point to her car – especially since her purse and phone were found in the JPJ area?
Dr. Harrington and Family,
Thank you for sharing your day with us. I am so sorry for your loss. We will never forget. Never.
Ok B, just gonna throw this out here and it may not make a hill of beans sense but here it goes.
If Howell, Waybright, Haga, Thomas have nothing to do with Morgan Harrington even though they all have some sort of connection to either being fans of Metallica, working close to JPJA and area, or living close to Anchorage Farm, or working in North Garden Fire and Rescue then I give you this suggestion…
BIB are the UVA men’s LAX team members.
or
BIB are the UVA men’s BB team member.
Either way, I would hope that they all have been questioned about their where-abouts on October 17th into the 18th.
I mention these two UVA teams because well, the first for obvious reasons. Mr. Self-Professed Murderer of one, Yeardley Love. Let us all not forget he has a dark side that was once “tasered” by police when his UVA team was playing I believe, Washington and Lee. Maybe he carried with him his own taser and tased one, Morgan Harrington and well, he got away with that one but not forever. Then again, maybe he saw Morgan talking with the UVA BB players and well, got pissed because of his shallow, short-sightedness. He/they must have a connection to Anchorage Farm.
Or two, the UVA men’s BB team players well, they were not forthcoming until I believe their hand was forced. Why were they so silent and I’m not believing a timeline anymore or where they were in relation to this timeline! Also, I also want to know if they would have any known connections to Anchorage Farm.
Last, but not least, maybe all of these men need a course in…
acceptable behavior; as in not lying,
drinking; as in appropriate amounts, and
drugs; as in who possibly supplies UVA’s campus.
Now, not saying that any of these team members or all UVA students do drugs but maybe just maybe, they have heard crap through the grapevine. Maybe just maybe, because they are around JPJA and UHall and their area parking lots, more than any of us and well, kids talk. They just maybe might know who hangs around these areas.
Were they all asked to come clean to stand up for both girls, to speak for common decency? I ask because and before anyone gets upset because I’m calling these two teams out, I ask because it seems to me that someone should ask them to be men of honor. Honor that The University of Virginia and it’s sports teams seems to pride themselves on.
A legacy of honor of a founding father.
Or is this just the acceptable norm now?
Lyin’, cheatin’, ragin’, athletic scoundrels.
And B, who exactly was the last person who verified the sighting of Morgan on that bridge?
The UVA BB players
The UVA LAX players
The UVA student, M. Voth
The Limo driver
or maybe,
The man who picked Morgan up on that bridge saying she was HH and he took her and dropped her off somewhere. (?)
and, to Observer and local cville residents. I am saddened deeply by mentioning your beloved university again. I love, love, love your city and your campus. It has history beyond compare. But, I cannot help but think that if it were my beloved or even your beloved, then you and I would want no stone unturned.
I would also like to believe that UVA would not mind the questions because if it becomes true and that more information should have been released to protect us all, then UVA should be the first in line demanding this from the Virginia State Police!!
The first in line! There are a ton of young kids, girls coming to that campus for summer camps. They will be walking around. Will they be safe? Are there enough security officers? Cameras? Are there?
Or is it someone so prominent within The University of Virginia with a sincerely evil side that no one knows of his alter-ego but he has knowledge of Anchorage Farm.
Maybe B, we should switch Perp 1 and Perp 2. Maybe Perp 1 was the smart one and he called in Perp 2, who just knew where to dump a body. Knew the land. Does the dirty work. Protects the boss at all costs. (Trust me, I know I sound nuts, I’m just trying)
Or is it really some odd-shaped egghead with inner-emotional, rage-against-women issues that just happened upon her and had a close friend/family within some faction of LE, step in and clean things up for him?
**Did David Bass ever hire a Rent-A-Cop on his property for his events?
Someone knew that property.
Will he/they stike again? Will another family face such deep despair and grief and do we need another family to be totally devasted?
I do not think so.
DMB, My heart also aches for the Harrington Family and to think that we all thought that Morgan was alone that night. How must they feel? They are without their beloved, Morgan.
As the days and months tick off, they are becoming more and more alone.
It is a terrible feeling and no one should have to endure that.
But here we are. Back standing on that bridge.
S Jones Hi, -
The truth is I don’t know if I need to know- you know? Who am I ?
What I mean to say is- I would hope that all of these questions and concerns were cleared up by LE early on. All of them.
I know Dr. Harrington answers questions from time to time on FM. He is such a great person. I know you all on FM have come to know Dr. Harrington through his posts.
I would not want to add to his pain especially on this day. But thank you SJones for thinking my question about the phone was worth asking.
Nice to have you around SJones- I look forward to more of your thoughts.