Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Bug Blunders And Botany Bias Benefit The Prosecution
Last week, under a due date requirement required by Chief Justice Perry, some of the expert opinions to be offered in the capital murder trial against Casey Marie Anthony were released.
In a highly circumstantial case, it is common for the silent witnesses to be the ones who tell us the critical pieces to the puzzle we are working on, are under the chair.
Bugs and Plants do not lie.
Arguably the Entomology and Botany evidence and their respective expert evaluations of same will likely hold some of the heaviest weight in the mind of jurors who will be charged with reaching a verdict in the death penalty trial in the murder of Caylee Anthony.
Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar.
~Bradley Millar
Lord of The Flies Part Deux
Dr. Neal Haskell, is largely considered the pioneer of Forensic Entomology in the United States.
In fact, he is the first individual in this country to earn Masters and Doctorate degrees in the field in 1989 and then 1993 respectively at Purdue University.
I have respectfully referred to him in earlier work as ‘The Bug Dude”.
Dr. Michael Baden and his co-author Marion Roach dedicated an entire chapter in their book, Dead Reckoning, to his work. Dr. Haskell was the “first call” choice expert of Linda Kenney Baden, former defense counsel to Casey Anthony, as stated by his former protégé and defense entomology expert, Dr. Timothy Huntington.
Dr. Haskell’s report filed October 6, 2009 contains the only peer-reviewed expert conclusions offered in the case against Casey Anthony.
In no way am I undermining it’s exhaustive and thorough contents. For the purposes of this article in order to remain respectful to the sensitivity that we are talking about medicolegal death investigation information that sadly comes from the homicide of a 34 month old child. I will largely be paraphrasing.
Dr. Timothy Huntington, the defense team’s expert witness, has been deposed by the State of Florida in this case three times to date. A final deposition has yet to be released.
(Editors Note: Although Linda Kenney Baden withdrew as co-counsel last October because she was not going to get her expenses approved and paid for by the state of Florida, she is most definitely working on this case in some consulting sort of capacity as she was present and noted in Huntington’s deposition in December)
Between his depositions dated December 28, 2010 and January 2011, Dr. Huntington produced a preliminary report that analyzed Dr. Haskell’s report and entomologic specimens. We know that he learned during the first deposition that several samples from the trunk vacuumings of the Pontiac Sunfire had not been sent for analysis to Dr. Haskell until a few days earlier. Dr. Huntington was not expected to prepare an opinion on that evidence until after it’s submission to him.
Huntingtons’ court ordered report focused solelyon the bugs in the trash originally located in the trunk of Casey’s car and omitted the bug samples from autopsy and the crime scene entirely.
Huntington was asked to review the Haskell report (b) during the second deposition “on the record”, however, and stipulated that he agreed with Haskell’s classifications found at autopsy and with Caylee’s remains. He maintained he disagrees with the fact that the entomological findings prove there was ever a decomposing body in the trunk of the car. He said as far as the bugs go, they are of no forensic value to conclude the victim was in the trunk.
Overall, Huntington and Haskell actually agree on most conclusions, and I would not be surprised to learn that his report’s omission of the bugs from the areas other than the “trash” were a tactical move by the defense.
Huntington seemed to have conceded that there was enough evidence to “assume” there was decompositional fluids that attracted the species of critters it did, but later contradicted himself by stating he feels the evidence points more strongly to there having never been a deceased person in the trunk.
Huntington’s arrival at that conclusion is actually based on what both bug dudes claim is the lack of early colonization of certain insects which are an important factor to establish what is referred to in forensic entomology as post mortem interval (pmi).
Haskell attributes the lack of the “early arriving winged things” to the trunk being cleaned by Casey Anthony and the trunk access itself during the initial stages of a corpse reaching bloat status.
Huntington says unless Caylee was refrigerated, buried, or hermetically sealed, he is not buying it. Interestingly, Ashton asks Dr. Huntington if he is aware of any evidence in this case that any of those options, staving off early colonization for a bit, occurred.
Huntington answered no, but I am reminded that it was he who took soil samples from the areas in the backyard where canines Gerus and Bones, through their handlers Jason Forgey and Kristin Brewer alerted to decomposition on July 17, 2008. Huntington stated he volunteered to take them, although he is not a “dirt dude” and is unaware if they have ever been tested.
There are only two options as to the status of those samples. Either they were never tested or they were tested and evidence of decomposition was found and is now considered work product and not discoverable. Had they been tested and no decomp was found, those exculpatory results are subject to discovery. Although soil samples from the Anthony home were also taken into evidence by the state, their analysis has not yet been released.
Given the formation of the questions by SA Ashton, it is clear that the State’s theory is that Caylee was put into the trash bags and laundry bag prior to being placed in the trunk, leaving little doubt they believe little Caylee was killed at the Anthony residence.
Dr. Huntington’s basic testimony for the defense states that scientifically Dr. Haskell makes unsupported leaps about the existence of a decompositional event or human carrion, in the trunk of the infamous Pontiac Sunfire.
Prior to his depositions, he felt pretty strongly that a trunk would not render a corpse inaccessible and last fall set out to prove it.
In his role as “LOTFL, Jr.”, Huntington conducted an uncontrolled observatory experiment on decomposing pigs killed “for cause”, and recorded exterior activity “only” for 11 days without opening the trunk of completely different trunks and trunk environments in a dissimilar climate. Ultimately, this study did not make it into his report. Go figure.
His boot theory got the boot, you might say.
The fly in the ointment, if you will, with this counter-opinion is that Dr. Huntington’s report is based exclusively on the contents of the garbage bag located in the trunk of the car, which he maintains to date was all he was sent to examine. Haskell’s report specifically delineates between specimens found in the white bag with blue handles, and those found in the trunk.
What is beyond me, is how Dr. Huntington’s depositions and preliminary report does not so much as reference the fact that the garbage bag in question spent at least twelve hours in a DUMPSTER at Johnson’s Wrecker AFTER being opened by the Operations Manager Simon Burch in front of George Anthony. It is noted specifically in the timetable of Dr. Haskell’s findings, however.
I mean, I am pretty sure 12 hours is half the lifespan of some of the bugs he is examining in the first place.
How many proverbial poo poo platters could those flies order in 12 hours?
Did they take on new and different larvae? In Burch’s interview, he thought the bag was white with yellow handles; it is white with blue handles.
You know, this is a welcome (from my perspective) missed opportunity by the defense and fat technical snafu. Just imagine all that ripe fruit of that poisonous tree (dumpster metallia) floating around. You see where I am going with this…
Before anyone gets all up in my britches for pointing this out, ask Chris Darden if he regrets the decision to ask OJ Simpson to try on the glove?
Consider the dumpster the glove, and because it was not referenced in Huntington’s reports, he cannot bring it up at trial.
Let’s all be thankful we will not be hearing “If it was in the trunk and in the dump it must be junk” for months.
As an aside, this is exactly why a criminal defense attorney in his 3rd year of practice is not permitted to take a capital case on his own. Out of the gazillion motions to suppress this, that and the other thing, you would think one out of 11 lawyers might have had their hand up at a meeting and asked:
“How can we even be sure this is the bag that came from the Pontiac when there is a car in the same lot at the same time where there is no question a dead person was in it?”
“Did anyone think to ask Mr. Burch for the name and registration information of the suicide victim so we can see if he eats Velveeta Mac and Cheese?”
“Um, Ms. Baden, I know you’re all up in alleles to your elbows, but I was wondering, if someone tried to clean the trunk, why would they leave paper towels with body fluid in the trunk? There is nothing that ties our client specifically to this particular garbage found in an abandoned vehicle, maybe we should think about trying to get it tossed?”
“Has anybody had Dominic Casey or whatever his name is Hoover nab some trash from any of those friends they have been stalking for months?”
I trust my point, albeit offered in the snarktacular, outlines how the lack of the defense to prep their expert for another bite at this evidentiary “apple” is astounding.
$275K does not go as far as it used to I guess.
Dr. Huntington refers to a corpse discovered in his report. As he is a forensic entomologist, I have to say, I find this curious as a descriptor in the very report he is most specific about what he might see or might not see in a decompositional event.
Skeletal remains vs. a corpse is big deal in an experts opinion.
Because Dr. Haskell had not been sent the trunk vacumings for examination from the Sunfire until this past December, his amended report was not available at Dr. Huntington’s deposition.
You will notice the laissez faire way I just said that. Similar to the way it was released, really. Smushed in the middle pages of the most recent discovery release.
B O M B S H E L L (potentially)
In Dr. Haskell’s amended report, for the first time he has examined the vacumings from the trunk.
What is critically important in his report and is invisible to the naked eye, unless one goes “discovery diving”, is that the samples Dr. Haskell examined came from two separate and distinct intervals and collections.
J-60135 yielding a hair with a root bulb, and significant entomological finding, consistent with contact with decomposing carrion were found in the sweepings A F T E R the trunk lining was removed, months later. Analysis on the hair has not been released.
Sweeping from the trunk liner, July 2008= ZZZZZZZZZZ
Sweepings from the trunk sans liner January 2, 2009= BAM
Dr. Huntington and no-doubt THE BAEZ LAW FIRM will not be thrilled to know he has unwittingly supported the testimony of State’s witness and former PhD board member, Dr. Haskell. He says there should be dead flies and dead maggots underneath the liner.
Now we know, there are.
I’m an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over… and the insect is awake…
Seth Brundle
Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced.
~Terence McKenna
Not to be confused with her fictional and botanically correct character in former Denver Attorney Stephanie Kane’s book, Seeds of Doubt, Dr. Jane Haskett Bock is anything but a “tough ‘ole broad.”
Admittedly, I am pro prosecution in the case against Casey Anthony, so when I review or analyze expert depositions or what I would call “case critical” witnesses, I find it helpful to dislike them, hopefully, intensely.
Dr. Bock is an uber accomplished retired professor, gifted researcher, scientist and educator. Not only do I NOT dislike her, under normal circumstances, I would call her for consults on cases and take her classes.
Candidly, I have no idea why she is sitting in the pews at the wrong side of this wedding.
In an article published in 2008, she is described as a “Crime Fighter”, with very good reason.
Not long after the body was found, Bock’s phone rang once again. Could she use scraps of plants from a suspect’s car to determine his recent whereabouts? The police had combed the Toyota belonging to Mirabal’s husband, Matthew, and collected fresh plant material from the carpet, pedals, windshield wipers, and wheel wells. Bock visited the crime scene in Left Hand Canyon, where she skirted the still-visible gore to collect samples of plants from the surrounding forest. Back at the university, she identified both sets of samples, looking for common species.
Although Dr. Brock is a “grass roots”(pun intended) participant in Necrosearch International, some of her recent depositions as an expert witness for the defense, seems to belie the organization’s protocols.
Utilizing the multidisciplinary approach to scientific specificity as it relates to finding clandestine graves would seem to me to be necessary.
What the hell did I just say?
I said, the bone person, the plant person, the bug person, the investigator, and yes, the canines on her team, and frankly on any team, work in tandem. In her deposition, Dr. Bock explains she prefers that scientists work independently in their field of expertise.
What was particularly troubling to me about Dr. Bock’s observations and assertions was that she openly admitted she has never reviewed the Crime Scene Technicians Field Reports nor has she reviewed any of the FBI analysis reports from the crime scene, the trunk, or the Anthony home.
(pppppsssst, there is botanical evidence and analysis from all 3 of those I think someone might want to * p e r u s e* prior to testifying)
Here are just a few notes from the field that may help:
In fairness to Dr. Bock, she has stated that her findings would not enable her to offer an opinion as to how long Caylee Anthony’s remains were located in the 8900 block of Suburban Drive.
However, I sincerely wonder if that is not the defense’s goal in the first place.
What would be the point of that Blink?
Necessity, for starters. They need a counter to Dr. Hall, who literally on-site at the recovery scene identified several non-indigenous trees, plants and vines without so much as a protractor.
(Yes, I know a Forensic Botanist is not identifying the green stuff with a protractor, hopefully you got a chuckle and can identify with my angst whilst I am swinging through the vines of this subject matter.)
For the most part, Dr. Bock agrees with Dr. Hall’s classifications, and what she is unsure of she laments she wishes she could have been able to visit the recovery scene intact, prior to removal of a substantive amount of vegetation; no doubt from her days of working for the criminal prosecution team in the bulk of her previous casework as an expert witness.
What was staggering to me, was that Dr. Bock was given very little to work with from The Baez Law Firm, in the first place. I was also struck that during her deposition where defense team member Dorothy Clay Simms attended and was apparently under the impression she gets paid “per objection”; Ms. Simms admitted she herself had never before seen the photo evidence being reviewed and asked to have copies sent to her. WOW. Perhaps that explains the recently installed turnstile at the firm’s front door.
One of my favorite exchanges during a deposition of a witness in this case to date:
In over thirty years, Dr. Bock admits she has never observed roots growing though a skeleton or actual human remains recovered outside, unburied.
None of which were of a child, and none were scattered over a “dank” and densely vegetated swamp of over 75 sq ft area, with variances in elevation and soils where bones were found in up to 4′ of muck and leaf litter.
I admit I cannot keep a poinsettia alive past January, but it would seem to me that it is reasonable to conclude that Caylee Anthony’s remains did not dig themselves into varying levels of silt, soil and vines the week prior to their discovery.
In August 2008, Fay, the first tropical storm in history to make landfall four separate times from August 18th through August 20th more than likely concealed little Caylee’s remains which Roy Kronk feared he had discovered a week earlier. It was clear from Dr. Bock’s deposition that she was either unaware of this information or did not find the relevance of the swamp being deeply flooded in certain areas from August through November of 2008 to be relevant to the fact that there appeared to be only one season of leaf litter on surface areas.
Dr. Bock went on to say that a great deal of her case knowledge has been supplemented by her daughter’s addiction to TruTV. It would be my sincere pleasure if someone that is close to Dr. Bock, who in my opinion is a fantastic example of an extraordinary scientist and educator with an impressive body life-long body of work, would pretty please tell her this is not the hot house for her species.
In theatrical terms:
Seymour Krelborn, Jose Baez may be Mr. Mushnik, but Casey Anthony is no flower, although she could play the role of Audrey II without needing a script. Don’t feed her.
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I’m not sure how this will come out sounding…. But i wish so deeply that once this is over with….”momma doll” could go live with Blink. She is the only one that I think can truly appreciate it!
-Robbie
O you hit my bullseye on a particularly difficult day, we are working on the Hailey Dunn case and my heart is freshly broken for this child.
B
48.myers says:
March 22, 2011 at 9:45 am
All those questions are ones I’ve asked myself. I can only think that diverting from the ‘nanny’ story Casey locked herself into and not addressing the 31 days (tattos, partying, stealing, killing and deposing of her daugther’s lifeless body, covering up, cleaning up, asking for 1 more day, preparing to meet Mark Hawkins, imo, to tell him about the ‘fake’ abuse she suffered from her father and brother,etc, etc, E T C!!!!!) will sink the SS Bozo. Surpressing evidence, statements and cornering innocent people is what guilty minions of Casey Anthony do. IMO, in the defenses’s quest to create doubt, they are sealing Casey’s fate AND reaffirming her guilt. Add in her parents contribution to cover, obstruct and behave in inappropriately, unlawful manners…..we got our killer. Even Lee was willing to sink his sister for a career. He KNEW Caylee was dead. He knew where she was. Instead of doing the right thing and leading LE to her final resting place, he played P.I. wannabe. Look at where all these people are now.
I would like to ask all of them….including Casey…..was it worth it? Was Caylee’s life worth it?
Ten thousand souls was the opening bid,
And it soon went up to fifty-nine,
But the Lord didn’t see what the Devil did,
And he said “that suits me fine”,
“I’ll raise yourhigh to a hundred and five,
And forever put an end to your sins”,
But the Devil let out a mighty shout, “My hand wins!!”
-Chris DeBurgh-
48.myers says:
March 22, 2011 at 9:45 am
I agree. The fact that Casey is scribbling and putting on the pretense she’s got something worthy to contribute is wicked.
Casey and her minions are doing everything guilty people do to twist their guilt into doubt. They create diversions, fight dayuming evidence, argue to surpress, frame the innocent. Reminds me of Satan.
This is what will sink the SS Casey et al ship. Take away the so called circumstantial evidence and ‘junk’ science. What’s left is 31 days, a statement from Casey (how many versions are there anyways?), her lies, giving ambiguous details (I dropped her off between 9 am and 1 pm, like a usual day) inappropriate, flirtatious, seductive behaviour whilst being interviewed by LE and in court, attempting to frame friends and family who’s only mistakes were befriending cruella, obstructing justice by her family, and a dead little girl who only wanted the unconditional love and attention of a mother who had other ambitions. This is classic Casey. It starts with lying, stealing, creating an ‘alter ego’. Murder was inevitable. Why did it have to be her own flesh and blood?
My posts don’t seem to be posting. If they do show up, sorry for the repetitive comments.
blink
can the judge take back something he has already granted!!!
I would need an example but in theory, no, a court cannot reverse itself outside of statute.
B
momof3
thanks so much! yeah your right I was cut n pasteing! I am frustrated that it happends! I need to proceed with caution and not speed!!
no problem blink!
I am going to read and comment and refrain from posting for a while! there are so many places that have links mine are just one of many! I will refrain from the caps. I respect vals work too she has a great site!!
I went back and reread this article. Casey will rot in jail or in the ground. There is no doubt in my mind now.
Thanks for taking the time to do that, I know it is cumbersome and well, disturbing.
B
Mom3.0~ I’m looking forward to the day “mamma doll” is sitting on Blink’s desk too.
I’m so hopeful that the trial will go well and kc will receive the punishment she so richly deserves. For 2 and a half years it’s been all about her, her needs, her rights, her hurts, her, her….finally it will be about the little one that through her death;financed her killer’s defense, has catapulted a total idiot into the limelight, financed her grandparent’s life and given news outlets ratings and advertisement dollars.
Caylee didn’t deserve to be abandoned in death and used like an ATM.
blink
sorry I am not thinking to clearly
you know the latest stunt the defense is trying to take one of the judges ruling back on the scinetific evidence! I think!!
clarify that I wanted to ask about the latest thingie the defense wanted the judge to change regarding the scientific issue!
niece five year old bella had her open heart surjery yesterday and came out with flying colors so far. she was born with half a heart and they were going to do a fribulater and ended up just repairing her valves! she is going great!! thats the reason I am feeling a lil dense! lack of sleep but am rested up!!
back to business!!
Hi Blink, can you or anyone else please refresh my memory (which is shot at this point). Have we ever seen whether or not if any bug evidence was recovered from the A’s vacume cleaner and/or shop-vac as a result of Cindy’s “clean-a-thon” on July 15th. Weren’t those confiscated at some point, and if so, when? I would think there would be plenty of evidence in the bags and/or hoses. Possibly in a sink trap also. Thanks so much for your sweet dedication to Caylee.
I have only seen the intake breakdown of these items, and to my knowledge outside of that, any testing has not been released.
B
Hello Ragdoll- loved your quote.
Your welcome Chica. U have been keeping Bella in my prayers.
MJ- nice to see you, your posts always cut to the chase. I think unfortunately, Casey’s whole life has always consisted of the “all about me” syndrome. I think we will continue to hear more of it at trial- especially in mitigation…
Today Frye hearing-
Its only the first 145 min- but what I have learned is this whole process is going to take a very long time, especially if The defense keeps trying to cross examine the experts /testimony and does not focus on the purpose of Frye..which is to point out whether or not the expert opinions/findings are based on scientific information/testing ect that is excepted or not….
Ashton keeps objecting and Simms keeps “rephrasing” the same questions… never really getting any further.
To me, it seems rather straightforward, the info/studies Simms keeps bringing up, has little, to nothing to do with whether or not rootbanding/death band(not petrification/hair decomposition due to enzymes environmental effects ect-)is a scientifically accepted means to identify hair CONSISTENT with coming from a deceased person…
AJMO
*accepted not excepted…arggg and meant to say I am keeping Bella in my prayers not that you arent Chica- sorry for the mistakes guys.
ps Blink – I just wanted to let you know that Ms. Sim seems to be implying that the garbage the enzymes on the (nonexistent)cheese/food products ect caused the banding on the hair Q12…I guess the Defense wants the garbage evidence in there- for the sa,me reasons Casey put it there…to give an excuse for the smell and now the banding…Personally I think they would have done better to try to keep the garbage out as you pointed out….
All JMO
Yep Mom 3.0, I totally agree.
B
may be someone should tell Casey to button her blouse. I bet Lillian Glass will make note of the blouse being open so low.
Seriously, these people just do not prepare for court in any way. Double stick tape at least, wth?
I have it in my brief and my glove box- hello?
B
Mrs. Blink, the way Casey flips through all those pages makes me think that some of this testimomy is surprising to her. Could it be that Jose really hasn’t filled her in on just how much the state has against her because sad to say he is liking all of this. She actually imo looks worried today.
Thank you Mom re: quote. Interesting thought Mom3.0. Is their anything that would support garbage, other than death, could contribute to a death band? Wouldn’t the defense need to back that up with their own brand of junk science? The fact that they’re acknowledging the death band at all must be a threat to them.
Cindee…I’m riding the same wave girl. Although, I have to confess I am the least bit surprised by their lack of respect. If it doesn’t suit their purpose, it doesn’t apply to them. Casey will ALWAYS use sexuality as a weapon. I say have at her. That will be a contributing factor to her demise.
~WAVING~ @ Chica m’lita girl. You’re a fire cracker and I love you for it! Special prayers to Bella. If she’s anything like her aunt, she’ll pull through with flying colours. Not as serious but my son has scarlet fever brought on by the strep b virus. Toxic shock is a threat, but I have faith we are all in devine hands.
Lastly, the article? Is there a link to the article myers is referring to? The links on here are holy grail imo.
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“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.”
-Abraham Lincoln
Better late than never….just wanted to provide a link to the Frye hearings:
http://www.wftv.com/video/27283257/index.html
Love ya guys!
myers, I think it’s just Casey forgetting she’s the defendant, not ‘esquire’, if you will. As my husband would put it, she’s show boating. I concur.
Ragdoll, there is some studys that are not complete that show that hair from a living human being- when subjected to certain environments or enzymes show a darkening in some hairs- this is NOT the same as postmortem banding- it is not consistent with it- although it MAY show some similarities to the hair decomposing- Not to athe hair coming from a decomposing person…this is my understanding….
Blink- are you listening to Fairgreve’s testimony J Beaz questioning?
I would really like to hear your take on the handling of these dogs. I
know you have some knowledge…
I guess we finally know what Jose’s “game plan” was for not providing information on his experts and their testimony— (PP)Its not my fault Ms. LDB didn’t do her home work- I did say this expert would be testifying to all things related to cadaver dogs….
I would think/hope that this testimony would be allowed in, but argued to the dogs handler expertize merit ect at trial.
Oh PS what the heck was the questioning concerning a child loosing a tooth? (Caylee was said to be missing one tooth when her remains were found. IIRC) No baby just looses a tooth without some catalyst…Where are they going with this?
All JMO
Good Gravy, I have no idea why this Dr. Fairgrieve would submit to this- I was embarrassed FOR him.
B
Still listening to Fairgreve’s testimony LDB’s cross- WOW she is determinedly thorough. I almost feel sorry for the “expert” but then I think well, LDB is simply pointing out that he is not an “expert” in this regard.
She is doggedly pointing out his lack of expertize.
Still can’t help but feel embarrassed for him- it makes me less sympathetic to Casey & her defense and what they will try to pull over the judge/jurors eyes as expert testimony.
All JMO
Thank you Mom! I was pointing towards Baez having some kind of knowledge to some quack study that would simulate the death band on a strand of hair (living or non living person) next to garbage. I think Baez’s new name should be Bozoveruled.
Any idea who was kicked out of the court room earlier on?
I imagine a few are either rolling their eyes at me or just plan looking the other way. The article of course, is Blink’s.
I get there eventually.
lol lol my friend.
Your never in question good lady.
B
One last thought….whoever was thrown out with the ‘the Lord has shown himself with the destruction in Japan’…even I gotta agree with Baez’s expression. I actually had a genuine chuckle WITH him.
Keep your stick on the ice kids. Tomorrow is another interesting day and a day closer to Blink bringing home her momma doll.
I’m still in shock over the DT leaving the Dr. Vass cd on Ashton’s Chair! Not handed to him, not given to an asst or a phone call saying that “by the way , we left you 5000 pages on your desk” but in his CHAIR! Baez operates like a naughty school boy and he really didn’t get clown smacked for it. Sheesh.
The FBI expert was not to be rattled. She knew what she was talking about and would not let her testimony be twisted by a play on words, no matter how hard Ms. Simms tried. The hair from beautiful Caylee’s head has a story to be told!
How painful to watch Fairgreve. If he has the nerve to testify at trial, he will bolster the State’s case IMO. How brave of him to be an “expert” after watching 10-20 dogs and reading articles — snark! He was getting a little testy at the end, not good for any witness. If I were him, my calendar would suddenly be filled for the next two years.
JMO
Me again guys-
Hi Ragdoll, nice quote from Honest Abe. IRT who was thrown out, it appeared to be a young man that stood up in the gallery shouting something about Japan and God…. I thought HJP handled it very well.
Blink- glad to know that I wasn’t the only one that felt embarrassed for Fairgrieve.
Casey seemed to be most interested in the cadaver dog’s issue ect- she did not seem to pay much attention to the death-banded postmortem hair issue…
I just finished watching the last of today’s proceedings- Sgt Brewer, Bones handler testimony.
The Defense was successful in getting some of the documentation removed, articles from CNN ect regarding stories on Bones. Although- it may still come in later if it is deemed more than hearsay- The rest of the Defense’s argument IMO was weak. (including his response (pp) of the exhibits witness’s drew weren’t hearsay..they were demonstrative aids….
LDB had the witness state that Bones is not trained to alert on fecal matter, skin cells(like dandruff, dirty diapers ect).
There will be more testimony tomorrow regarding the K-9 issue.
What struck me the most from SGT Brewer’s testimony was her remembrance of Bone’s first positive alert, than returning the next day, and Bone’s not re-alerting to the spot.
Anybody that has ever read a word I have written regarding this case, knows that I am forever, at every opportunity, trying to give The Anthony’s the benefit of the doubt…that they were acting in Caylee’s best interest and were just in shock or denial…but now I am very sad and frankly appalled…. after SGT. Brewer’s testimony stating that the second day she returned with Bones to the Anthony’s back yard- everything was changed “considerably”: grass removed, playhouse moved, borders moved, placed elsewhere, cement pavers moved/placed, ground disturbed and dug up. Who did this? If it turns out to be the Anthonys I don’t know what to say. Why?
I hope there is reasonable explanation for this, but I must admit right now I can not think of one that has any positive/innocent connotations…
I mean, Sgt Brewer testified that these actions would affect Bone’s ability to detect and alert. The trace evidence the dog may have been alerting to the previous day, The odor/the remnants of bodily fluid ect, could have been released or moved elsewhere… preventing Bones from doing his job- a job that I would think the Anthony’s would want preformed under circumstances that had not been mishandled or contaminated- if their purpose was to uncover the truth of what happened to Caylee & hopefully help locate the lost little one, their beloved 2yr old, sunshine girl Caylee…
So sad and IMO very telling, it would seem.
All JMO
Oh BTW on redirect J Baez tried to get Sgt Brewer to state that Bones previous alert the day before was a “false positive”- COME ON- after the realization that “someone” disturbed the area/backyard- it is highly unlikely IMO that Bone’s alert was a “false positive” IMO it seems to me, that the fact that someone changed the area/backyard considerably goes to proving that Bone’s first alert was “spot on” and someone felt it would be best to change the spot “considerably” inorder to prevent another alert in the exact area, or all together.
All JMO again.
blink
great! I am realy into the haley dunn case with its drama and all!! poor girl betrayed by her mom. cant wait to read it.
I agree the momma doll should go to blink!!
Back to reading.
lol blink
I was embarassed for the poor guy! bet he made doodooo in his pants!! she had him sweating and so frustrated! linda is good at her work. Baez made that awful remark about linda not doing her homework and that was uncalled for wonder if he is going to act that way come trial. Oh and simms was all confused today I would say it went in favor of the prosecution today.
aww waving back atcha ragdoll! bellas doing better they put in a pacemaker and did some valve reapirs. not doing bad xcept they may have to loosen the pacemaker it may be to tight!! poor baby has been through it and all she wants is mdconalds lol!! she was born with half a heart!! she is doing better.
I am beat had a dr’s appt was pissed I wanted to hear all the hearing and was grouchy with my dr and he asked me why so uptight and my b.p was up and I said because I am missing the caylee hearing!! I ran it down some and he said no appts on trial or hearing dates and go home and calm down little one. lol
hugs ragdoll.
betting that there are more buttons to that blouse! she loves to put on a show for mr mason! oh lordie the ol geezer is gonna have to get his b.p meds upped in miligrams.
gonna go lay my weary bones!
love ya blink and all my buddies!!
I need to rejuvenate!!
I bet we will be hearing that Caylee lost a tooth in the backyard at some prior tie frame, thus causing the dog to have alerted.
Xactly, Eloise.
Cause you know Cindy counted her teeth when she brushed them?
Not to give LE a toothbrush that was “just hers” though.
I did note she was crying in the courtroom yesterday, anyone know what that was about?
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I did note she was crying in the courtroom yesterday, anyone know what that was about?
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I suppose it may be she KNOWS what SHE has done for the MOTY and her explanation of events do not reveal the results she had invisioned. Can’t wait to hear what REALLY went on in respect to “mamma doll”. Sindy knows all about that too! JMHO.
Morning everyone.
Today in court it was said that the search team did some digging in the back yard the first night, so maybe they also moved pavers ect…not sure, but wanted to let everyone know this info.
MJ- I missed that exchange…I wonder why the supposedly apologetic Baez would do something so rude/mean as place that on Ashton’s chair..
About Cindy’s crying yesterday–I missed that too- I did notice that she had possibly a burn on her arm..maybe she was in pain- I hope USTWIN57 is right in his espalination- that Cindy was crying because she was thinking about what happened to Caylee, and couldn’t help it.
Eloise- Hi nice to see you over here. I agree with you, that the defense may be gearing up to say Caylee lost a tooth. But IMO it would have to be testimony from someone other than Cindy, because Caylee never lost a tooth while under her supervision- there were no pics of Caylee missing a tooth either, in the last recent pics we have seen of her, before she went ‘missing’ however one tooth was said to be missing after she was found- IIRC this was stated by Cindy- & I am not sure if it is a fact that one tooth was not recovered, but I do remember reading in one of the documents that one of Caylees teeth appeared not to be in her mouth/skull…I dont remember if they found it later. IDK- its hard to tell where the defense is going to go…
Todays hearing-
I liked Gerus’s handler, he seems very nice, Baez I think was a little too tough on him IMO. Especially since as JP pointed out, most of Baez’s questioning had nothing to do with the “4 corners of his motions” I thought the LEO was answering the questions to the best of his ability, and didn’t need to be called an adverse witness by Baez- As for the testimony I think it proves that this handler and his dog were well trained and did their jobs- I didnt think Baez was successful in showing them as biased ect.
Casey Anthony- WOULD you PLEASE stop FIDDLING with that binder and those papers- My GOODNESS take some interest in the court proceedings- especially during such testimony as your deceased daughter possibly lying in her own back yard …We all know you say you didn’t have anything to do with her murder- but FGS, even if this were true, wouldn’t a grieving mother CARE about such testimony? Especially if she is claiming someone else did it? Wouldn’t it be the grieving mothers hope to find out the “truth” SO STOP FIDDLING you are not a lawyer- you at best are only to be only playing one on tv…
ITS ANNOYING
AJMO
Back to watching-
Blink, I’d love to take a stab at your question. If Casey won’t cry, Cindy will. It’s Cindy being Cindy, covering for her daughter. It would look doubly questionable if none of the Anthony’s showed croc tears or emotions (rage and rebellion doesn’t count). I’d also think the details of ‘decomp’ and the image of her grand daugther would be an unsettling feeling. Lastly, I think she knows her daughter is never coming home.
Chica…I hope you took your happy pill today..lol! Hugs and love to you and so happy Bella is getting better. Good news is soul food for me! <3
Hugs to all.
Who is buying Casey’s clothes? Does she have a say in how low cut they need to be? And hot pink? I need to pray.
PS….I found CNN is great for viewing. No interruptions or refreshing!
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream4
Stains on papertowels! WOW!
I think Casey’s writing during the hearings is more about coping and escaping from having to acknowledge the nails that are sealing her coffin. As the ‘squirrel’ decomp was being addressed, she started scribbling furiously. She’s panicking.
I just noticed I sound like I’m giving a play by play. Must be the Canuck hockey gene in me.
This may be OT but Casey looks insane with all that writing on the legal pad. WTH is she writing about. I would convict her just for being stupid and annoying and for picking Bozo.
Hey Mom3.0!
I agree….Baez is being a little aggressive. I’m noting the experience between Ashton and Baez. HUGE gap. You can see Baez is struggling with articulation when it comes to wording his questions. His frustration is getting the better of him and I suspect we’ll observe a not so cocky but rather, intimidated and babbling Baez as this procedes.
NJ….not OT at all….great observation! Writing is all she has. Her lies are being exposed in front of the justice system and complete strangers. Running away isn’t an option anymore. She can’t look anyone in the eye. This must be complete torture for someone who’s used to getting away with dishonesty. She’s never hung to witness the damage of her lies. Now she’s forced to see and hear. I believe she’s in a high state of anxiety right now and I wouldn’t be surprised if she requires some kind of medical assistance some time during these hearings/upcoming trial. The more ‘graphic’ the testimones, the harder she scribbles. Her face says it all. MHO.
*waving at Eloise, USTWIN57, and the rest of my friends*
Sorry about all the grammar spelling mistakes everyone.
I am finding Dr. Vass’s testimony very interesting. I think he is doing a good job of explaining his testing ect. I do not know whether or not this will make it into trial, but I for one do not understand why it shouldn’t.
After seeng Casey Anthony’s indifference to other’s testimony, I found it quite off-putting that she reacted to Dr. Vass’s stating that he opened the can/ carpet sample and felt like or did jump back 2 feet -because of the overwhelming smell of IHO, human decomp- Casey’s reaction was not one of sadness or dismay- rather her reaction was strange…IMO
BTW- I dont think Baez was successful in discrediting this experts testimony due to proposed “financial interests” I don’t think it would have a negative bearing on a juror, as most who supply/invent something helpful for LE to use in investigations hopes to help police investigations ect & I would think everyone would hope that their contributions would lead to both fulfilling a need, & as an added bonus hopefully make them money in the process…
All JMO
Is it me or is Baez acting with a few degrees of paranoia? He’s so easily distracted by laptops and cameras and the dust layered on the air vents (snark…yes). Maybe Casey’s sagging cleavage is the great distraction.
I am trying to figure out what will Bias’s opening statements be for trial. How does he explain her ridiculous story of lies. Who will speak for the prosecution? Either one will be awesome, but can you imagine Mr Ashton. I would think if he does opening and closing it will stay on the each jury member’s mind like a nightmare.
I’m confused…is it the witness that’s being ambiguous with his answers or Baez’s lack of understanding that compounds aren’t numbers or percentages? What am I missing????
Someone asked about a transcript of George Anthony saying his daughters car smelled of decomp and “you never forget that smell”…he goes on to say that when he approached the car he had a fear that either Casey or Caylee were inside the trunk and he said “please dont let that be my Caylee”
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/110608georgeanthony/1/lg/48-2008-CF-015606-O_CASEY_ANTHONY_PG._1733-1803_Page_22.htm
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/110608georgeanthony/1/lg/48-2008-CF-015606-O_CASEY_ANTHONY_PG._1733-1803_Page_23.htm
Let Casey write all she wants. She knows nothing about the law and doesn’t know where her lawyers are headed in their questioning. They (her attys.) amuse her when she thinks she is actually aiding in her defense. It’s all for show, even though she is serious. If they listened to any of her dribble, it would put them off track and cause more delays. Mastermind in her defense – NOT!
Just for a check of everyone’s gagging reflex…anyone notice Baez’s smarmy wink at approximately 28:38 in part 4 of Dr.Vass’s testimony over at wftv….
made me lose my lunch
I mean really, how much can this girl write on paper. She knows nothing about decomp testing, hair bands,forensics, science, cadav dogs, detective work, dirt, bones. What she does know is the smell of decomp and that is about it. She keeps her face planted in the binders to look occupied as if she is not worried about what is being said. I mean what could she possibly write down to pass to Bias to ask of the witness. I mean really.
If you watch her closely, she acts as if she is constantly looking for something in the binder turning page after page, glancing at a sentence and continues turning as if she is going to find some aha moment to blast the witness with. I am convinced that she has lost the reality. And what is with the “State Of Mind”
I also can’t imagine staying in a cell 23 hours a day.