Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Testifryeing And Rancid Rubbish Recitation Resumes
Again tomorrow, we have the continuation of the continuations from last week of the defense team for Casey Anthony's outstanding motions, with any luck, to fete de compli.
For those whose headache has since left them, a review- For the full clickety goodness, click the pic of the bic.
BYODS
Bring Your Own Dryer Sheet. Seriously, now she put them there, now she didn't. Depends on the meds that day she says. Cindy Anthony, a surprise witness to us, and likely herself, now says SHE put dryer sheets all over the Pontiac Sunfire after it was returned from the tow yard. As Jeff Ashton pointed out during cross-examination, this is in stark contrast to her state deposition where she denied putting any dryer sheets in the unlicensed hearse.
She blames this nearly 3-year-in-the-making epiphany on the fact that one night she was sleepwalking while giving a bamboo splitting tutorial with the neighbors shovel and she accidentally fell into the shed, breaking the lock, and all 100 of George's red gas cans not covered with sloppy duct tape hit her in the head.
Ok, that part, I made up.
She also claims to have emptied a can of Febreeze throughout the vehicle, left the vehicle trunk, sunroof, hood and all windows open within the garage and returned to work. That could definitely explain the terpenes found in the air sample of the trunk, but certainly not the chloroform.
As Dr. Vass astutely pointed out during his deposition:
" Well sure, I mean if there was a bottle of chloroform in the trunk and it was half gone, I mean, Duh."
Mrs. Anthony informs us this has been a traumatic experience for her, and that she is still remembering things to this day. I will just bet she is. I know of one; for another article, another day.
What I found very interesting, is at no time did the prosecution object to her change in testimony, or question her comments about her claim she was on new medications that affected her memory, although Linda Drane Burdick covered this thoroughly over 2 straight days of the deposition. At no time, although clearly Cindy Anthony gave hearsay testimony regarding the curiously absent George Anthony's activities on July 15, 2008, did the state raise the objection.
I would be concerned about why the state would not be moving to take another deposition based on her comments if I were her and her attorney, but that's just me. The protections of the subpoena with which she gave her deposition do not extend to one perjuring oneself.
Furton Furrows Feverishly
ValHall of The Hinky Meter has done a marvelous job outlining the breakdown of Dr. Furton's "hypocracies" as she calls them. What I take issue with, in addition, is the fact that Dr. Furton, in my opinion, was less than forthcoming about when he was contacted by the defense, or when HE contacted the defense with additional discovery for his anticipated testimony. He refers to an additional dissertation that was conducted by his student, after his deposition on February 19, 2011 and prior to mid-March. I was forced to watch this multiple times, you cannot make me write about it in detail, now as well.
In summary: Dr. Furton screwed the pooch here.
The reality is, available research grants would probably do better to train their applicants to cage-fight for cash they are so fiercely competitive. Simply put, Furton wants a bigger allowance than Vass based on work preformed by his students, WHICH BY THE WAY feature Dr. Vass's peer reviewed articles Furton is trying to debunk in the first place. Good Luck with that Fredo.
Jurors will do one of two things, they will either understand and except the Scientific deficits in the area Furton posesses, or they will see him as an opportunist.
How this "expert" claimed to qualify to speak to the handling and training of Cadaver Duo Gerus and Bones, without reading the training and experience hours of handler Jason Forgey, well, let's just say I hope he took his scent out of Orange County or they just may want an introduction.
Let's face it. Vass and his "decay facility" have cornered the market on human decomposition.
How a Scientist that geekified with knowledge so grotesque and macabre to most, can manage to be cool, I have no idea.
This is the poor guy's first rodeo no less. I have already purchased my orange lab coat. I am already on the do not stalk list.
.." I know I am going to be cremated when I die, that's for sure. No maggots getting me.."
-Arpad Vass
Had I had a professor like that, I might not have been stealing funnels and beakers from lab for Greek week, and instead would have actually used them to learn something.
ARGUE IN C MAJOR PLEASE
STOP. EVERYBODY BE QUIET!!!!!!!
O yeah, Judge Perry went there.
Just prior to the lunch break, CJP went for the smack-down.
Jose Flyez as seen at the ATM in his office
He advised both the state and Jose Baez et al, that if there was anymore caterwauling (Editors Note: my word, but can't you just imagine him saying that with that contagious drawl, y'all?) the offenders were going to reach into their pockets to pull out a C note each time, payable to the United Way.
He advised him if they did not put a muzzle on it on their own, he would "go through their number", which loosely translated is like the whole heat/cold miser debacle and calling Mother Nature on them.
Not really, but I liked the visual. It is him telling them he would file a complaint with The Florida Bar and it would be on their permanent record. The Mr. Hand of the courtroom said his peace.
Sus scrofa domestica Officiando
Dr.Barry Logan testifryeing from the lunch room with the blair witch audio reel should in no way diminish the seriousness of his testimony. I felt sorry for the gentleman and scholar.
That said, co-counsel Dorothy Clay Simms added a light moment when Dr. Logan was not sure he could see into the courtroom and she identified herself:
.." Dr. Logan, can you see me? I am the one with the bad hair."- Dorothy Simms
Dr. Logan is a brilliant forensic toxicologist in addition to most things with a MedicoLegal consequence, I concur.
However, in human decomposition, not so much.
Jeff Ashton: "Do you consider yourself an expert in the area of the biochemistry of human decomposition?"
Dr. Logan: Big sigh.
Um.
" I do not."
Jeff Ashton: "I have no further questions your honor."
While Dorothy Clay Simms tries desperately to turn her Watson into Sherlock Holmes, mercifully, Chief Judge Perry intercedes:
CJ Perry: ." Let me Save Y'all some time."
Dr. Logan: "What have you qualified as an expert witness to testify prior to this case in the area of human decomposition?"
Logan: "I have not previously testified in court with respect to human decomposition."
Judge Perry will be ruling on the admission of Dr. Logan as both an expert witness, and his testimony as it relates to the current motions to exclude and frye hearing. The fact that Perry stated in open court that had there been a jury present, he would not have permitted him to testify as an expert witness seems ominous for the good Doc, however.
Don't get me wrong, Logan's credentials may qualify him to be the only toxicologist Les Moonves might consider hiring to follow around "The Violent Torpedo of Death" Charlie Sheen, while he is "winning", but I think Judge Perry is going to give him a pass in this case.
The fun starts again tomorrow morning at 9AM, and no, Jose Baez did not get the boot, it was a hoax.
The death of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony however, is definitely not.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
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my favorite part is immediately following that answer by Dr. Logan (part 12 apx 6 mins in) where JP brings up pigs. JP’s deliverance of the question is priceless. I can’t help but laugh.
I think it would be a great idea if the prosecution in this case would bring up what was said in depositions (from both George and Cindy)…as well as the testimony that George gave to the Grand Jury. Read allowed the words George said to the detective about how you never forget the smell of decomp once you’ve smelled it (and confirm what Dr Vass said). After reading back their own words to them, either from deposition, or to the Grand Jury, and getting confirmation that these are the words that they in fact said…stop questioning them.
I think the State should take their time on the witness stand away and let George and Cindy squirm in their seats as prosecution uses the “evidence” to convict that heartless beast of a person they call a daughter to death or LWOP. The Jury doesnt need to listen to their blathering lies.
Personally, LWOP to me is the worst punishment they ALL could receive.
Sweet Caylee…I know you are being held in the loving arms of your Savior and at total Rest in Him – away from all the sorrows and cares of this ugly world. For that I am ever so grateful.
Hi Blink,
So, for the last week and a half, I have been trying to catch up and end up in every different direction. I am not so much into the science forensic, however I do understand that Dr Vass air sniffer is sound. We have all kinds of detectors of air so that is not a leap for me. I also get that the dogs nose sniffers are most likley reliable as dogs have been used for many sniffing detectors, drugs, missing people, etc.
So the state is wanting to types of sniffers presented to the jury, one being in the back yard, and also in the trunk of Caseys car. I get it!
What I have not been able to figure out is how they are going to connect the two, 1) being the backyard and 2) being the trunk. Even in my backwards thinking there is nothing that I can come up with, to visualize how Casey would move Caylee from the backyard to the trunk to her final resting place.
And I think the jury is going to have a hard time with this also.
Short of having a magic wand, there would have be some other evidence of some movement, more sniff detectors or evidence from the backyard to the garage to the car. Even bagged, I can not imagine her being able to move a body without dragging and pulling causing a tear or something.
And then what I posted yesterday about Dr Bock (paraphrasing)she would hope there would be some botanical in the trunk. I know you said that they collected some vials, but we dont know if they have been tested
I just think the prosecutors are trying to get as much evidence as they can in front of a jury is going to back fire on them because beyond the scientific evidence, there is going to be the question of how she moved the body twice, maybe three times, without any evidence (to the backyard, from the backyard to the trunk, from the trunk to the field) That is a lot of moving. From personal experience I can not take out the trash and heft it into the dumpster without making a mess.
am I making any sense?
Blink
Wonderful article!
I am sure caylee is watching how hard you are working to get justice for her.
by the way I dont want to be put in the ground to be eaten by maggots yuk.
I wonder if the Prosecution isn’t perfectly happy to let George and Cindy go back and forth, changing their stories as it suits them in the moment, since it’s all on record. Come actual Trial they will both have to account for it and “this is really hard FOR ME/ I’m on new medication(that I’m on record as having been asked about)” is going to get old–fast.
OMG Blink! Your sense of humor is unsurpassed. Now that was a funny article.
(Love the visuals!!!)
Little humor never hurt anyone
Thank You Kindly.
B
even casey anthony deserves good counsel. imagine, it takes a michican inmate to do the right thing. Everyone now knows it was a spoof; and everyone knows its the truth.
Okay..so the writings on the wall..Cindy and George are ready, willing and most likely to perjure themselves during testimony so they can’t be blamed by Casey et el for the mess she got them into.
The bus is speeding down the highway with a full crew of media whores, Caylee Marie ATM abusers and fools. The circus acts are ready to perform.
This is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better..the embellishments abound. But not any of their choice characterizations changes the truth of the 31 days..not even by a shadow of a doubt.
I am supposing that George and Cindy better be lawyered up to the hilt..because we all know we are going to hear either or both of them accidentally murdered Caylee and left beautiful Saint Casey to clean up.
Baez missed so many chain of custody events it’s laughable at best. Start with the car..not even the trash but the car..it sat in a parking lot for several days unattended until it was towed. Next comes the trash bag, then comes the pavers. Well I won’t even mention some of the other chain of custody events..but LKB would have certainly done so.
What we are witnessing is Baez using LKB’s previous work product on this case as crib notes..but the man does not posses a scientific brain cell in the gray matter..nor a legal mind either.
31 days..what say you Baez..a non- expert witness is the best you got?
And I really like the Honorable Judge Perry..just hoping this week he walks the talk and slams the gavel down with a hefty fine when the defense team and their defendant start up with their lack of respect for the quick and the dead and the laws that surround all of us. Baez needs to remember he wouldn’t even have to make a fool of himself like this several times a week if he had convinced his client to plea.
Rant over..peace and hugs to all…Caylee, justice is just a few short months away.
Can’t you just imagine what life in the ANTHONY household was like with the drug addicted Mother(grandmother), “Ho-Hopping” Father,(grandfather), POLE Dancing, Party Girl, Lying, Stealing, Daughter of the above; and also womb donor of the deceased LITTLE MISS CAYLEE ANTHONY. May she rest in PEACE. The only way we can survive this is knowing the Lord’s promise to us is that she is in a better place.
Thanks, Blink……you put this in perspective, for the long haul, come trial.
NaNa – better still make THEM both read out their own words! …Please speak up Mrs. Anthony…… could you repeat that please, I didn’t quite catch that……
How I hope that comes to pass at Trial.
If there is a god in heaven the Anthony’s will be charged with perjury and obstruction.
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So, did the Michigan prisoner pull a delayed April Fool’s joke on Jose Baez? You tend to lose track of time in prison, I’ve heard….
Excellent article, yet again, O’ Great Blink!!! Love the pictures/graphics too, especially the ATM one!!
I cannot decide who I have a bigger crush on right now…Judge Perry or Dr. Vass – tough call! Thinking I still have to go with Judge Perry and his “contagious drawl”!! What can I say, I’m still a Southern gal at heart!!
My belief is that my beloved Judge Perry will not throw out any of the State’s forensic/scientific evidence. I’m wondering if the State of Florida can kick in some extra money for a jumbo bottle of Xanax for my favorite judge come trial time, however….if this past week was any indication of what the actual trial will be like. However, I trust that JBP will be able to manage to squash any hijinks that may ensue on either side.
They were neck and neck for me this week until I re-reviewed Vass’s deposition, that guy his hilarious.
The first time he ever gets deposed and he is asked some seriously idiotic questions by the defense and he kept his cool.
He took the pizza from his child, who was not happy about it..
Who paid for it..?
The Pizza?
rotfl still.
B
Awesome article Blink … and the images are priceless!! A much needed laugh today, thanks!
Den
TY
B
I am really concerned about this case. I know the facts and evidence are there but those other people who call themselves defence lawyers are going to pull everything they can and then some to cause a delay in the trial or cause a mistrial. I just can’t get my mind around this stuff. If I stole a watermelon from my neighbors watermelon patch they would put me away for 20 years. I am afraid PPP is gonna get away with murder. Surely the good people of Florida are smart enough to figure it out. I pray they will.
Bravo again Blink!! Another great piece.
HJP – “The Mr. Hand of the courtroom” – LOVE IT!!!
I just can’t wait for this circus to get the show on the road……….May can’t come soon enough!!
TY, I was not sure everyone would get the reference
B
Could the chloroform have been used instead of bleach … to clean up and destroy the biological evidence in the trunk? Seems like I remember a dicussion about it’s cleaning properties, way back.
Dr. Logan … I’m not sure of. He very clearly ‘declared’ himself NOT an expert for the area the defense had him testifying. I expected Judge Perry to shut him down and thank him very much right then. Because … sometimes too much information is not a good thing. Still, he wanted to hear ALL he had to say … I don’t know that I like that.
If Dr. Logan was dismissed then, the hearing could have continued and possibly ended that day. And, Perry would have had the full protection of the law. Cut and dried, as the Judge doesn’t need to have a stradegy.
Thus, saving time and money …. plus sending the message to the offenders that put him on the stand … that they had to follow the rules and the law as well.
Not fair to Ashton, his time and work … or his case. MHO
Blink you did it again! “The Fly”…LMAO….Looks like he should be flying around saying…. feces,feces got get more feces(sorry)…Oh and about the pen clicking…..if a Blonde walks in the Courtroom and snatches the pen away throws it on the ground and stomps on it…that will be Me…lol….keep up the Great work!
Did y’all click on the pic? It takes you to the pen clicking loop, lol.
B
LOL….that’s great! Blink LOL
I guess Baez’ pen clicking means he is waaay stressed out. Loved the article Blink “testifrying”…brilliant.
Not much to say, as you did an excellent job of pointing out all the rubbish in the court room.
Thanks and I hope to hear more from you after this weeks Frye testimony…I am wondering just what new charts The Defense will pull out to show the stain in the trunk came from a humongous giant sized grease soaked hamburger…heck I bet they will set up the projector and replay Eddie Murphy’s Mother’s hamburger skit.
PS Jose Baez phoned into “In Session” earlier today and assured them that the question of Why Casey Anthony did not report Caylee missing for 31 days will be answered within the 1st minute of his opening statements… I thought Casey already answered this question she said she was conducting her own investigation….
Great article Blink- you are still the Queen of Snark-
Thank You Mom 3.0-
I can clear this up for everyone pronto-
The reason that Casey did not report her child missing for 31 days, is because she was not missing, she was dead and decomposing in a swamp a man relieved himself in.
B
Great article Blink. Loved, loved, loved the pen click link.
I listened to Cindy spew her new twist and thought I would have a police car at my house checking on me for all the yelling going on here.
Jeff Ashton and Linda held it in but I know they were tasting bile.
I do not know why but that freaking pen incident had me rolling. I could not help but think that Linda was thinking, my 9 year old daughter has better behavior than you… Go sit down. click, click..
B
Hi Midwest Mom.
I never thought about Casey carrying Caylee from the yard to the trunk as an issue until I read your post. Even after reading it, I still don’t really see a problem with it’s believability, except that I’ve been reading your posts for a couple of years and respect your thinking. So I looked at a couple of things;
The average weight of an almost 3 yr old girl is @ 30 lbs. I put 30lbs of dumbells in my big old canvas bag and carried it around, using the handles. It’s heavy for me but I can scale & descend stairs and lift it waist high onto my elevated work table, without banging it into myself or other stuff. I’d say I’m a woman of average, if not diminished, strength. I admit that I’d balk at lifting it to shoulder height in order to get it into a dumpster, but I could if my freedom depended upon it and I wouldn’t need to lift it nearly that high to get it into the trunk of my Corrolla.
We don’t know where or when Caylee was put into the plastic trash bag and canvas laundry bag, but let’s assume that Casey did whatever was necessary to transport the baby. Her solution of plastic inside canvas would have worked well.
As for a path of trace evidece in the yard/house, once Caylee was in the double bagging I don’t see a problem. Carry her into the house, through to the garage and into the trunk; no dragging necessary.
A month passed before the dogs were brought to the Anthony house, long enough for an airborn scent trail to have completely dissapated.
The carry from the trunk into the woods is a bit more problematic because of increased risk of being seen and the density of vegitation. But, it was do-able, none the less. I always thought that the problems iimplicit in making the carry into the woods explained the extremely close proximity to the road of Caylee’s 5 month resting place.
Caseydidit; reading; “if a Blonde walks in the Courtroom and snatches the pen away throws it on the ground and stomps on it;
I started to picture Linda Drane Burdik. I hope she packs a $100 bill in her jacket pocket, just in case.
I should probably not announce this, but if I told you how many posts I deleted of people willing to offer up an anty should it come to that, lol…
B
20.Mom3.0 says:
April 5, 2011 at 6:22 pm
“I thought Casey already answered this question she said she was conducting her own investigation….”
Mom3.0~I can’t wait to hear the explanation. There is nothing I can come up with as to why this girl had to conduct her own investigation. Nothing. They can not talk away the 31 days.
OMG! Love it! I love the Flyez with his addicted pen clicking. LOL And you carved Cindy’s sneaky perjurious “testimony” very nicely.
Thank you for the shout out in the article, Sister B. We’re almost there, we’re almost there! Unless the State of Florida goes bankrupt first, that is.
*hugs*
My pleasure, and well deserved on your Furton Roast tribute, lol.
*hugs* back Sister V and shout out to the Hinkettes!
B
Blink I’ve been remiss in thanking you for plenty of good laughs from your last few articles.
I especially enjoyed your fashion motif recently. Companies in the Fashion Industry usually subscribe to Color Prediction services which do just that, approx 18 months in advance; they provide swatch packets and the colors have themed nomenclatures such as Art Deco Gold, Henkel Silver or Gas Can Red. You been in that business too, Blink?
And, yes, Vass STOLE the pizza sample for decomp testing from his kid.
You are effing with me, lol, and your great at it- Kudos!
LOL.
B
OMG Blink, I haven’t even read the article and I had to tell you the image of the Baez Bug was priceless. I’m looking at it rotflmao and I think I see it move. Do I really or is it the tears from laughing causing some sort of illusion. No, it is moving and it’s clicking the pen top. If here is some Webbie award for cleverness you win hands down on this one. Now I have to go back and read the article which I know will be wonderful. You do Jersey proud.
Many thanks Njsleuth, The Flyez is indeed working the pen, indeed. If you click the pic, you can have the full monty, lol.
B
Thank you BLINK! I needed to laugh today and the picture of Bozo the Fly Clicking his trusty pen sure made my day! Let’s see how many times he will click the pen tomorrow or stand in front of the cameras to be irritating but all he was to give us a close look of his bald spots! Way to go Bozo! Tick Tock Tick Tock KC!
yeah they can do the hamburger and hire cheong chong to tell them wat the affects are?
IIRC, there was also a dryer sheet in Tony Lazzaros vehicle. Cindy must have been kind enough to place one there when she went to pick up Casey.
Your correct raceyrin, there was.
B
We at W/S, are waiting for the depo of the “Snuggle” bear in regards to the dryer sheets. I bet he is to blame!
I didn’t get to watch much of todays show so apparently I missed all the fun parts.
When I brought the article up, I just stopped a laughed at the image of the blowfly with Baez’s head attached sitting on the pen. Great sense of humor in pictures and prose. The fly theme seemed very appropriate considering the subject. Still laughing at this.
You guys deserve a medal for this one. I think the doctor is toast regarding anything that he or his students could contribute.
By the way, spent some time researchng the LABRADOR this evening. As I thought in an earlier post, they have actually built a handheld
unit. An article in Forensic magazine covers the background and has a picture of what has to be a prototype of the handheld unit. It appears to be attached to a steel rod with a hand grip and a wrist support.
It is still patent pending, so the picture does not show very much in the way of details. They are trying to make incremental improvements with additional matrix devices. It has an alarm and a data transfer port to alert the operator and provide a means of moving data.
They hope to market it at $1000 to $1,500.
If they get the patent and then give the prototype to a good commercial product design firm for commercial production, it will be a lot easier to use by a field technician. In its present form, it would require more arm strength to handle than would be comfortable for use more than fifteen minutes at a time. Most of the items mounted on the steel rod could be moved to a ABS plastic case with a shoulder strap. This would also allow a larger battery so that operating time could extend beyond the six hours presently possible.
I am impressed that they have identified 30 critical compunds and 12 of those are sourced from bone only so that soft tissue is not a limitation.
Dr. Vass will probably be very impressive to the jurors at trial.
Thank you very much ATG, I am fascinated by Dr. Vass and his work (ya think?)
I have been educating myself on Post Mortem Interval for weeks and it is a critically important field for forensic investigation that could literally revolutionize criminal investigation across the globe.
I chose to do a “humorous” piece in this area because the reality is, I feel terrible for what jurors will be forced to review in this area wrt to little Caylee’s death and decompositional event.
When I say studying the subject matter, what I mean is forcing myself to understand something that is the unthinkable.
Dr. Haskell, Dr. Hall, Dr. Bass and Dr. Vass ( my Forensic Mt. Rushmore candidates) will be providing some of the most grim testimony about this cherub I think most people watching this case have avoided contemplating, I know I have taken the lighthearted approach purposelly as a result.
That said, it will tell the story that Casey Anthony herself has probably avoided.
While the conditions are different, for anyone interested in studying a bit more on the topic, I recommend you review the transcripts in the Danielle Van Dam case. In this case, although Dr. Haskell testified for the defense, he was so strong he found things that the state’s expert missed, and there is simply no question he knows exactly what he is doing.
Warning** I am not posting links here because it is brutally graphic
B
Just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you today, dear Blink. Hard to believe it’s been 3 years.
oxoxoxoxo
xoxoxoxoxoxo right back-
It is really that long, sigh.
B
Great article Blink, the sarcasm was awesome. And you kept it simple to understand.
Thanks
Thank you kindly.
B
Off Topic………….just read an article saying the florida court system is running out of money…..
If this happens the courts will be closed for 14 working days….4 in April and 10 in May…..
The Governor can save the courts by borrowing money from other areas…
The Orange County system needs at least 1.5 million to keep it going..
looking at the calendar if they do close the dates in may would be
may2-6 and 9-13
Sorry for being Off Topic
Not off topic, quite germane.
B
Sorry forgot to mention the graphics, they are the best I have seen !!
Did anyone else notice that $indy said she used a whole can of Fabreze? That was a flat out lie as Fabreze comes in a bottle not a can. Of course if she was confronted with that she would probably say “Oh I meant a bottle”.
The air freshener I linked to in the piece goes directly to the MSDS sheet for the one in the can.
I admit, the second she said that I looked it up, I forgot about the air freshener as opposed to the fabric refresher, which comes in plastic only, your correct.
B
What a great Article Blink! And your ironic View is just so good and funny!
Click click Mr Baez…Do you have some stress?
I also wondered why the State didn’t object to Mrs Anthony’s accounts and i find it interesting what you wrote about this.
I skimmed this article briefly but it is too good to be only skimmed briefly so i will take it as my bed lecture tonight and study all aspects of it. Thank you Blink
Just one word can describe this article.
“Beautiful”
More laughs this morning at the antics the defense is trying in regards to getting their “expert” approved and the attempt to throw out the entire Frye process document only shows how silly they are.
The judge is still holding a straight face. He even provided the little Post-it note tabs to the defense lawyer, presenting the defense position, so that it could be marked with the few pages he is going to consider.
Blink, I didn’t convey very well with words about the levity experienced when I first viewed the article. My computer paged the article so that all I could see was the pen and the fly on the pen at the very bottom. After laughing a bit, I noticed the fly was pushing the extend/retract button and then I really howled. My compliments to the one(s) responsible for that great touch.
You are so right about the material that jurors will have to either view or have presented to them in narrative by the experts. This may be the experience that makes real tears for Casey provided she can face reality.
We are eating up dollars of the state justice budget. I hope the judge will exercise a little restraint and stop some of these extensive forays into areas for which the defense seems to want to go.
No matter how much the defense tries to impeach the states evidence, we stil have the fact that the duct tape used in the crime was tape that had been bought in Ohio and moved to Florida with the Anthony family household goods. There may be fingerprints on the tape that the state recovered.
Klassend is going to have to get busy with her image expertise and produce a Mount Rushmore picture for Blink.
In 1960 I attended a lecture by the people who actually carved the faces on Mt. Rushmore. It was mostly done with drilling and using dynamite caps to fracture the stone.
Todays court-
Highlight
Simms question-
Just a hypothetical—What if Caylee was swimming in TL’s pool on the 2nd of June and Casey put Caylees wet swimsuit in the trunk?
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Oh boy what a crock-
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Blink you wrote earlier-
I can clear this up for everyone pronto-
The reason that Casey did not report her child missing for 31 days, is because she was not missing, she was dead and decomposing in a swamp a man relieved himself in.
B
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So Blink thanks for going for clearing it up with the obvious- Sadly Caylee was dead not missing- do you really think the defense is going to go with Caylee was dead in the 1st minute of opening statements?
I just happened to catch a “breaking news” story on the tv while I was waiting for a prescription to be filled at the pharmacy and I thought everyone here would be happy to hear that the Florida court system will continue to get funding for at least the end of May. There was concern that courts would have to be shuttered at least temporarily because of the budget crisis, but there was an emergency, last minute agreement made with our alien-faced crazy governor, Rick Scott.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-court-funding-crisis-20110405,0,7737884.story
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-casey-anthony-trial-science-hearin20110406,0,6574453.story
Casey Anthony attorney suggests chloroform in trunk came from Caylee’s bathing suit
According to Cindy ( If you can believe her) During her August 12th interview with detectives She told them Chris Stultz dropped off a bag w/Cindy that contained Caylee’s swim things suit ect… Casey had left these items at his house on June 17th 18th or 19th at the time she was driving TL jeep…-
Hmm too bad Casey seemed so worried about this swimwear in her trunk but thought nothing of her child lying deceased back there… Too bad Casey did not want to drop off Caylee with anyone other than an invisible nanny…but had no problem with leaving her in trashbags in the bog down the street from her house…
article and links to this interview:
http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html
AJMO
swimsuit in the trunk, lol, lol.
I hope they have a bunch of swimsuits, because by my last count, Caylee was wearing one before her bath, Chris Stutz had 2, courtesy of Casey….
I don’t recall Cindy seeing a swimsuit in the trunk anyone?
B
With your approval, Blink?
Bringing over for reference, previous discussion from Blinks earlier article concerning the swimwear which I posted on last thread: ….
PINK says:
August 12, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I remember listening to CA’s August 1rst interview and hearing Yuri’s complete exasperation when CA casually mentioned that someone (she wasn’t sure who) had brought over a bag of Caylee’s swim things over when they had a get-together with “the kids”. You could tell that he was flabbergasted and that it was the first time he had heard about it! This – after CA and GA had both set forth the possibility of an accident in the pool (ladder up) etc…I was very surprised that Chris hadn’t mentioned it in his interview and thought initially that mention of this had perhaps been redacted but by August 1rst, when Yuri heard it from CA, it certainly didn’t sound like he had heard about it!westsidehudson says:
August 12, 2009 at 6:00 am
# 449- Kleat-repeating your thoughts…hmm
Weird, but Stutz’s # was programmed into Casey’s phone. I don’t know what, or if, that means something. Tony’s wasn’t. But you would think that maybe Tony’s # wasn’t programmed into the phone because she knew it by heart as he was her boyfriend. But then calling her house from jail and asking for it proved otherwise. So you’ve got me there Kleat.
She went to see Stutz on the 17th, but HOW DID SHE GET TONY’S CAR BEFORE going? It seems, by pings, that she ends up there (at Tony’s), but at the end of the day and then remains. Kleat, Blink , did she have Tony’s car on the 15th????
Did she meet someone who brought and exchanged cars? I’m so confused again.
Someone posted that Semoran & Aloma were NEAR Tony’s place. But that isn’t his respective cell tower, or is it an alternative tower?
Also, when the bathing suit was left there (at Stutz’s) was it “inadvertently” left there, like Casey brought the bag in and left it like her purse in the abandoned pontiac? Or did she ask Stutz to hold onto it? What were the circumstances? I don’t remember reading that in the interview.
# 457- silverspnr
That one comment by Baez, “innocent”, is the least of his worries in terms of the things he has said & done, and in the context of the overall picture, in my opinion LOL! Maura says:
August 12, 2009 at 8:33 am
Re: Chris and the bag of Caylee’s swimming items
In her Friday, August 1 interview with Eric Edwards and Yuri Melich, Cindy said a blond guy named Chris (but she wasn’t 100% sure of the name because she had never met him before) went to a get-together at the Anthony home about a week prior.
By the time of Cindy’s August 1 OCSO interview, there had been two gatherings at the Anthony house with a dozen or so of Casey’s old and new friends. The first was a gathering that immediately followed the first vigil for Caylee Anthony, which was held on the first Sunday after Casey’s arrest, Sunday, July 20.
The second gathering occurred in the following week. Cindy said Annie and Cory had set up the second gathering to discuss the situation further (timeline and Casey’s mood) and had invited a lot of Casey’s old and new friends. Per a text message sent to Amy from Annie Downing at 8:41am on Wednesday, July 23: “Mrs Anthony is requesting us all to meet at the house at 8pm. Please arrage your schedules accordingly. This is VERY important!”
Cindy said this “Chris” showed up at the second gathering and had a bag of swimming things that Casey took with her whenever Caylee went swimming somewhere other than the Anthony’s home pool. The bag included an orange swimsuit, a Dora the Explorer scuba-type one-piece with an inflatable vest, a comb, some hair things, and some swimmers.
Yuri Melich kept interrupting Cindy’s narrative about the get-togethers to ask her who this Chris person was and what exactly he had given Cindy in that bag.
When Cindy said that a friend at the second gathering had brought over the Dora swimming suit . . .
YM: Who brought that over?
Cindy said someone named Chris . . .
YM: That’s the friend that brought the swimsuit back?
Cindy started listing the people at the get-together . . .
YM: Who brought the swimsuit?
Cindy said she thought his name was Chris and had never met him before. Cindy mentioned the orange swimsuit and “the Dora thing” . . .
YM: And the Dora what?
Cindy described the inflatable wetsuit . . .
YM: What else did he bring?
Cindy described the swimmers and hair things . . .
YM: Is, uh, how, uh, how did Chris know about the meeting at the house? Did you reach out to him, someone . . . ?
Cindy explained about the gathering being arranged by Annie and Corey. Cindy then said the “Chris: who returned the bag claimed he had left messages for an OCSO detective but no one from OCSO had called him back.
Chris Stutz had been interviewed two days earlier on Wednesday, July 30, by Yuri Melich and did not mention a bag of swimming items. A partial summary:
Chris said he’d known Casey for about three years. Chris goes to school in Tallahassee, but his permanent residence is his parents’ house on Perez Street. He and Casey had briefly dated in the spring of 2007, and in the summer of 2007, they had hung out a lot at her house and at his house. He said he’d been to the Anthony house frequently: “I’ve been to that house a million times.”
On May 5, Cinco de Mayo, Chris came home after being out with friends and found Casey at his house, visiting with his parents. Casey and Chris decided to go out together, but Chris didn’t say where they went. [Per the text messages Casey sent to Amy on the evening of May 5, Casey and her friend Chris were at Scoops, and Casey wanted Amy to join them. In an email the next day, Casey said Chris got so drunk that Casey had to drive him home.]
On Mother’s Day, May 11, Caylee and Casey spent the day at Chris’s parents’ house. His parents were there. [He didn’t say if they swam in the pool, but they may have.]
On May 17, Casey and Caylee spent the night together with Chris at his parents’ house. Chris’s parents were away. [They may have used the pool on this day as well.]
On an evening shortly before she visited him on June 17, 18, or 19, Casey ran into Chris around town; he said it was possibly Scoops, but he wasn’t sure, and he may have been recalling the evening they went out in early May. OCSO has receipts for Tony Lazzaro on the evening of June 18 for Tijuana Flats and Chili, so this could be the night that Chris “randomly” ran into Casey out on the town.
On June 17, 18, or 19, Casey visited Chris at his parents’ house around 5:00pm and was driving Tony’s Jeep. Chris said Casey stopped over a day or so after he had “randomly” run into her in the evening [I think she visited Chris’s house on Thursday, June 19]. Chris’s mother was there using a treadmill she had recently purchased, and she helped Chris to narrow down the timeline to those three days. Casey stayed for one-to-two hours. They sat on the couch, watched TV, and talked.
Chris ran into her on July 7 at Buffalo Wild Wings. He said she was there with Sean Daly and Iassen.
She sent him a text on July 13 or 14 asking him what he was doing for his birthday.
He thought he saw her running on Chickasaw in the morning on July 14 (he incorrectly recalled the date as July 15 in his interview, and Casey’s cell pings put her at Tony’s apartment during that time).
He got a text message on July 16 saying Caylee had been missing for 31 days. Later that night, Casey tried to call him from jail around 11:30-11:45pm, and he hung up when he heard the recording asking him to accept a call from Casey. He called his parents to ask what he should do, and they told him not to accept her call. Three or four minutes after calling him the first time, she tried again, and again he refused to take the call.
On July 17, he called Crimeline to report what he knew. He finally got through, and said in his interview that he basically gave Crimeline all the information he had just given Detective Melich (“Basically this whole list”).
Detective White called Chris on July 18 to follow-up on the Crimeline tip and must have left a message because Chris said he called back an hour later and then the next day. Chris never said during his July 30 interview if he ever talked to Detective White, but I get the sense that he had never connected with Detective White.
At the end of his July 30 interview with Detective Melich, almost as an afterthought, Chris mentioned he had been to a get-together at the Anthony house “not last Sunday, but the Sunday before that,” which would be Sunday, July 20. He did not mention anything particular about that gathering, and he didn’t mention returning any of Caylee’s swimming clothes to Cindy.
When Yuri Melich interviewed Cindy on August 1, it seems to me that he was hearing about the bag of swimming items for the first time because he asked Cindy so many questions about the contents of the bag and the identity of the blond male possibly named Chris who had returned them at the second gathering. As I read the transcript of Cindy’s August 1 interview, neither Yuri Melich nor Eric Edwards knew anything about the Dora scuba suit or anything else in the bag that was returned by the male named “Chris” that Cindy had never met before. IMO, it is unlikely that two days earlier, Chris Stutz told Yuri Melich that he had returned a bag of swimming items to Cindy.
There is a “Chris Corso” in Casey’s cell contact list, but I nevertheless think it’s likely that Chris Stutz is the blond male who returned the bag of swimming items. There are consistencies between Cindy’s account and Chris Stutz’s account, but there are a few inconsistencies as well.
Cindy said the “Chris” who returned the swimming items had called OCSO but had not heard from back from them. This is a typical exaggeration, but it does square with Chris Stutz’s account of having called Crimeline and received a follow-up message from Detective White, but then never got a response to the two voicemails he left for White.
Cindy was firm that the blond male who returned the swimming things had returned the bag at the second gathering that occurred on or after Wednesday, July 23 (it was either that night per Annie’s email to Amy or within the next day or two). Chris Stutz said he went to a gathering that was clearly the first on Sunday, July 20 (“not last Sunday, but the Sunday before”). Since both gatherings had taken place by the time of Chris Stutz’s interview on July 30, I am concluding that Chris only went to the first gathering.
Chris Stutz was fairly precise about the date of the gathering he attended, so if Chris Stutz had the bag and returned it to Cindy on Sunday, July 20, it’s possible that Cindy was simply confused about the gathering (first or second) at which the swimming items were returned to her. She was off on other dates, so that is a good possibility.
Chris Stutz said he had been to the Anthony house “a million times,” especially during the summer of 2007, but Cindy said she had never met the blond male who returned the bag of swimming items. However, it’s very possible that Chris Stutz was never at the house when Cindy was there. I am recalling that this was the summer, per Debbie Bennett’s account, in which Cindy was supposed to meet Jeff Hopkins and Zachary on three or four occasions. Casey may only have invited Chris to the house when she knew Cindy wouldn’t be there and, per usual, was lying about what she was up to and the people she was hanging out with.
There is no mention of Caylee’s swimming items in his July 30 interview, but Chris was working off a list of items that he had compiled back on July 17, before any gathering, and he seemed to recall the gathering he had attended only at the end of the interview and then only mentioned it in passing – a sort of ‘oh, yeah, and I went to the Anthony house with a bunch of other people.’ So maybe Chris Stutz returned the items to Cindy on Sunday, July 20, but didn’t think it was important enough to mention to Detective Melich or maybe Chris had completely forgotten about the bag of swimming items by the time he was interviewed.
It is extremely unlikely to me that if Casey handed Chris that bag when she dropped in unexpectedly during the week of June 16 that Chris Stutz would have forgotten about it because it would have stood out in his memory as being a strange request. It is equally unlikely to me that Casey would have done so in order to frame him given that his mother was in the house when she stopped over on June 17, 18, or 19. If Casey had handed him that bag out of the blue, he probably would have asked his mother where he should store it.
An OC property records search shows that the Stutz’s property includes a covered, in-ground pool. Since Casey and Caylee spent a lot of time at the Stutz residence in the summer of 2007 and since Casey appears to have been on very good terms with Chris’s parents, it could be that the bag of Caylee’s swimming items was left at the residence with the knowledge and permission of Chris’s parents. She and Caylee were over a lot and used the pool when they visited, so the bag was kept there as a courtesy. That bag could have been there since summer 2007. Or Casey could have brought the bag with her when she visited the Stutz family with Caylee on Mother’s Day and/or a week later (May 17) when she and Caylee spent the night with Chris.
At any rate, in my opinion, that bag of swimming items was likely at the Stutz house long before Caylee disappeared and because it had been left there long before Caylee disappeared, there was nothing, in Chris Stutz’s mind, remarkable about the bag, so he had likely forgotten about it by the time he spoke to Yuri Melich on July 30.
That is a phenom account of this very compellling issue, thanks for the contribution as usual. But Maura, why is Chris Stutz the only friend Casey calls from jail twice, the night she got arrested?
B silverspnr says:
August 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Chris and the bag of Caylee’s swim items- #524/526
Cindy waits to mention to LE the fact that some male friend of Casey’s, with whom she says she has no familiarity, came to her house with a bag of her granddaughter’s belongings, including SWIM items, AFTER she has reported her grandchild as “missing”/”kidnapped”??
She doesn’t immediately call detectives to report this???
(especially considering the whole pool ladder incident/”story” that she and George say happened AFTER they last saw Caylee??)
She doesn’t know this young man.
He brings her a bag of very personal items which she knows belong to her “missing” grand-baby.
And she doesn’t IMMEDIATELY call detectives assigned to the case to report it.
WHY?
Wouldn’t you want those items inspected/tested by LE? Even if they appeared to be clean, certainly she wouldn’t know whether or not the items contained any trace evidence at that point.
Wouldn’t you want LE to go knock on this guy’s door and ask him some questions –pronto–, at the very least??
She wasn’t in “denial” (as some would excuse her on other matters) about the fact that Caylee was MISSING/”GONE” at this point. That was the entire purpose of having all these kids over. And one of them, with whom she was not familiar, brings a bag of Caylee’s personal items which she hasn’t seen since June 15th (or earlier).
And she waits DAYS to even mention it to LE.
This rates in the “FISHY” department. I’ll give it 3 “Fishy”s. (I need a symbol for “fishy” on my keyboard!)
Forgot to tell you how much I loved the graphics of pen pushing Bozo (whoops! sorry Blink) I meant Mr Jose Flyaz. Carried out an experiment on my husband this evening; I turned my pc on as loud as it would go and clicked the pen, continuously. After just 30 seconds he asked if I could turn off whatever was causing the b….. awful racket, he couldn’t concentrate on his newspaper! One can imagine how aggravating it must have been for those seated close by in Court, in particular Mr Ashton and Linda Burdick. Hope Judge Perry has read this article and is ready to admonish any further childish behaviour in his Court.
A little OT … but dang, my ears are bleeding from another day of listening to Ms Sims at todays installment of the never ending Frye hearings.
Do I have this correct?
That Dorothy Sims was brought in as co-counsel for the defense … for the limited purpose of cross-examining experts ??
Seriously???
“Dot” Sims sounds totally unprepared for what her specialized assignment is supposed to be.
Hemming and hawing around, fumbling for words, searching for a lost notes in the middle of questioning.
Absolutely no flow in her speech at all.
Most of the questions she is able to formulate don’t seem all to be packing any punch anyway.
Another perfect addition to baez and mason.
Argghh!!
Blink, thank you for addressing the perjury issue regarding Cindy’s ‘fabric’ations. I know, boo hiss boo. I sincerely hope that woman is confronted with her obstruction of justice tactics.
Did anyone else zone out on Baez’s long winded, embellished, ‘glaring’ and dispicable discreding of Dr. Vaas? Eventually, I turned off my monitor. He made no sense to me. He cannot get to the point. Verbal hemmoraging at best. Who told him he could cut it as a lawyer?
If he’s going to be taken seriously, he needs to cut the theatrics and rants. I’d also suggest he has someone proof read his notes before he stands in front of his judicial colleagues and makes an outageous fool of himself. I didn’t know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him.
Mom3.0 says:
April 5, 2011 at 6:22 pm
PS Jose Baez phoned into “In Session” earlier today and assured them that the question of Why Casey Anthony did not report Caylee missing for 31 days will be answered within the 1st minute of his opening statements… I thought Casey already answered this question she said she was conducting her own investigation….
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Mom3.0,
I agree with you 100% (as always). I guess in my simple mind, what I want to know is how can Baez even make such a statement…. how is Baez going to answer the question of ‘why Casey did not report Caylee missing for 31 days’ when the TRUTH is at no point in time did Casey EVER report her daughter missing.
BTW, thanks for all the research on past posts…it is very much appreciated!!
Blink,
Thank you for, yet again, another great piece….loved the reference to the cold/heat mizer and mother nature….I totally forgot about that movie…(singing)friends call me heat mizer, whatever I touch, starts to melt in my clutch, I’m too much…dada da da daaaaa da
Within the 1st minute of todays hearing Judge Perry, who is under especial budget stress, needed to call a 1/2 hr recess, in order that the defendant not suffer from her councels’ disorganization.
I wonder how much that half hour cost the State of Florida. Watch the fair Judge gently fling an object on his table in frustration.
http://www.wftv.com/video/27451763/index.html
momof3
What do you think will be admitted in by the judge? Dr vass?