Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Will Plumbing Emergency At The Anthony Home While Caylee Was Missing Produce New Evidence For The State?
When you have a family that both refuses to cooperate with Law Enforcement in a productive way, and in this editor’s opinion, outright obfuscates efforts to investigate the location of a victim and the circumstances to which Caylee Anthony became same, we are forced to look at what I will term, available objective data .
Analyzing data in conjunction with the verifiable evidence in this case, allows us, and eventually jurors, to better sift through the ever-changing accounts of those closest to Casey Anthony, without adding metaphorical dryer sheets to cover the smell.
As all www.blinkoncrime readers have known since my earliest coverage of this case, I have long stated it is my belief that the concern for Caylee’s welfare and whereabouts started with the Anthony’s backyard renovations the week of Cindy Anthony’s vacation over the fourth of July.
In fact, one might interpret Cindy Anthony hits her panic button during this time.
I have also written extensively that I believe that the defense team is going to intimate, if not outright accuse, George Anthony of culpability in the death of his own beloved granddaughter.
On Friday afternoon, following the conclusion of the last defense motions presumably prior to trial (insert laugh track) the state released additional video evidence to the defense. As we brace ourselves to see video of Caylee with her Mother and Tony Lazarro having lunch, should we also prepare to see Cindy and George shopping for those backyard improvement supplies?
Or… Other?
Cindy Anthony’s bank records show 3 separate charges to The Home Depot posted June 30th. As the purchases were made on Cindy’s check card, we can’t be sure if the purchases are made on June 29, June 30th or a combination of both.
Will we see the purchase of new gas cans, concrete mix, weed barrier, or something else?
Cindy or George Anthony began furiously calling her daughter’s cell phone, in the wee hours of July 1 at 1:43am.
Calls to Casey from the Anthony landline are made to her at 1:43, 1:51, 1:52, 2:02, 6:56, 7:33, and 7:50 AM.
Casey does not answer her cell phone, but she DOES check her voice mail after every one of them, and attempts unsuccessfully to reach someone at the Anthony home at 7:54 AM, possibly due to a busy signal. This pattern of calls suggests an emergency of some kind, not Cindy checking if Casey was going to finally bring Caylee over as Cindy had requested. In fact, there is a small break in the action, pun intended, when a different number is dialed from the Anthony home:
In no interview, in no deposition, will you find either Anthony disclosing the obvious plumbing nightmare necessitating 2 calls to Rainaldi Plumbing 4 minutes after their listed hours of operation in the yellow pages, and the subsequent service call resulting in a $283.96 bill. Ironically, the check number, out of sequence, follows one Casey Anthony wrote on her Mom’s account in December
Spoiler Alert: The only reference to any plumbing emergency appears in one of Cindy’s letters to Casey, but two years after the July 1, 2008 incident.
..” I don’t know if Jeanene told you, about the water pipe we had broke on Friday, we had water from the pipe outside of Caylee’s room, leek into her room, mostly in her play corner- carpet was soaked and walls were damp. Everything is drying out but the carpet smells bad. (I better watch how I describe it they may take it for discovery). It’s amazing how even clean water can smell rancid after it sits for a while. Fortunately one of our church friends was able to come out and fix the pipe…”
Facing a capital murder charge, and already convicted of economic felony, it begs the question:
Why would a member of Jose Baez defense team, Jeanene Barrett, need to relay information to Casey about a broken pipe leaking into her deceased child’s room?
If you are thinking this is more “Anthony Code Speak”, you are not alone. According to a blue print of the Anthony home, there is no plumbing on the outside wall of Caylee’s bedroom that would leak into the corner, the right lower corner or her “play corner” which abuts the outside wall.
As the bulk of “pipe bursts” or “breaks” go in Florida temperatures, in general they occur only through freezing, extreme temperatures, or water pressure stress (build up) of some kind. The source of the emergency plumbing call to Rainaldi on July 1st, 2008 is not known, but what is known, is that it gives new meaning to the signature of Casey’s inmate correspondence “FLUSH”.
What has always bothered me was what could have been found in either the backyard or now as we know, in the plumbing that would send Cindy Anthony into a clear and obvious panic, mobilizing Lee to track down his sister, and attempt to track down Caylee through her friends AFTER speaking with Casey.
George and Cindy Anthony’s versions of June 15th and June 16th 2008 have evolved it seems, after every new release of discovery. Specifically, George’s account of the last time he saw Caylee and what she was wearing. They have gone to painstaking lengths to establish that at least Caylee was home the evening of the 15th, and very much alive the morning of the 16th.
So where is the blue “dress” she wore to the Mount Dora Nursing home on Father’s Day, June 15th, 2008? It would seem to me if I wanted to establish an alibis, or timeline, that clothing would be critically important.
Is that what Casey meant when she uttered to Tracy Mclaughlin and Rob Dick that OCSO had no idea what they were doing and they had not even found her clothes yet? Was she talking about Caylee’s clothes, or Mama’s?
Madeline Tanner, contributing editor
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Thanks again Blink and all who post here… i have been away and/or too busy to post,but i have been reading,watching,waiting.my Brother passed away suddenly last oct.and the business i worked for (nearly 8 yrs.)decided to close, so i’ve been distracted.so as “luck”would have it,i’m home now working on my own small bus. so i now try harder to keep up w/ you all.i would like to know-really, unless it’s absolutely necessary, what grandparents, whose grandchild is MIA, put worry aside and do yard projects? let alone mow the grass? i think the only grandparents that would are these two… interesting and also what would the people casey hung out w/screwed over ever know about parenting? IMHO the wouldn’t have a clue, MOTY yeah right – sorry so long
I’ve been reviewing the awesome timeline of events Val has at the Hinky Meter with the addition of the plumbing “event”.
– The car was towed on 6/30 from Amscot.
– The flurry of calls to Casey started in the wee hours of the morning on 7/1 at approx. 1:45 am.
– Check to plumber on 7/1
– Cindy writes “my Caylee is missing” on 7/3
– Lee leaves a post for Annie Downing looking for Casey on 7/3
– Concrete poured on 7/4
Something got Cindy going on the 1st. Someone from the home talked to Casey on 7/2 at 7:14 am for 3 minutes. Casey called Cindy on 7/3 at 3:21pm and they talked for 17 minutes. They talk again that evening at 6:57 for 11 minutes. They talk yet again that evening at 8:38 for two minutes and at 8;45 Cindy writes “My Caylee is Missing” myspace post. If you look at the timeline, Lee and Cindy kick it into high gear at that point with Lee trying to track Casey down and Casey leaving to avoid him. Don’t know if I have any point except that Blink is right on target. Whatever happened with the plumbing; Cindy knew at that piont she was never going to see Caylee again.
Jnpgh and all,
It could have been used anywhere. Could have been used to make an all-concrete slab, or as rough bedding for pavers. Could have been a quick mortar mix just for setting pavers. So I went back to the photos and videos for a refresher.
The 2nd video on this page provides a reasonable orientation of the backyard. http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/
This photo gives a good birds-eye view of the backyard, and helped me the best with getting the layout in my mind.
The “patio” area can be seen in the 3rd photo on this page. http://lefteyeonthemedia.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/supreme-court-of-the-media/
The same can be seen in the photo in the post at 10-10-2008, 8:50 AM on this websleuths thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70639&page=2 However, the paver area with the table and chairs (the part nearest the sandbox) does seem to be firmly set, such as with concrete/mortar.
Note that in this photo, you can also see a raised bed with loose pavers between the playhouse and sandbox. Concrete or mortar is not visible as a setting material for that area. It does appear that the playhouse may have been previously set on that bed.
The picture in this thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5760.1340 shows Caylee on the pavers near the house. There are clearly two sets–the smaller ones that Caylee is on, and larger ones in the back. The ones that I can see do not seem to be set in cement and mortar, and clearly aren’t new at that time.
This photo http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_9_fall_2006_080905_ssh.jpg shows an even earlier picture, with the paved (with pavers) area along the side of the house.
The picture in this thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5760.1340 shows Caylee on the pavers near the house. There are clearly two sets–the smaller ones that Caylee is on, and larger ones in the back. The ones that I can see do not seem to be set in cement and mortar, and clearly aren’t brand new at that time.
This photo http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_9_fall_2006_080905_ssh.jpg shows an even earlier picture, with the paved (with pavers) area along the side of the house. In this picture, the pavers end even with the bordered “flowerbed” area along the house. It is only in the later pictures without Caylee that the pavers extend out into the yard. The area of extension, assuming those pavers are set into concrete/mortar/grout, would be reasonably consistent with the 26 bags of “cement” used. (The older pavers seem to me to only be set in bedding sand, but I can’t tell for sure from these photos.)
I think that the photo on this page shows a little “external” plumbing. http://www.wftv.com/news/17025607/detail.html Pretty clear from this that the pipes run under not over, but plumbing is not my expertise.
Soil and concrete, on the other hand, are my thing.
Hope these images help refresh some memories, and clarify the area in question. It’s been a long time, and I myself had forgotten whether there were pavers or a concrete slab. I don’t see a slab, unless it’s by the pool, and not visible in these photos. But the new paver patio is pretty clearly delineated.
lizzy
Texas Grandfather I always love your posts!! But I have to say….. Has anyone ever hear the OLD radio show “Texas Rangers” ?? Everytime I read your posts in my mind the voice of the lead guy on the show is reading your posts to me LOL!!
I do think something happened early on that really freaked out Cindy but I don’t believe she really believed herself of how bad it really was.. Seeing Cindy over the years… She would have NEVER called 911 if she had known for a fact that Caylee was gone. I think both her and George had an idea once they got the car back but their brains and just the sheer pain of it all wouldn’t let them accept reality right away.. If she already knew she would have been in cover-up mode and wouldn’t have called in LE..
JMO
This Easter egg hunt photo does show that someone had a fondness for placing a variety of paver sizes, types, shapes, etc. http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ht_6mompic_080905_ssh.jpg
And here’s a picture that shows the whole lot, including the pool, but it’s not at an angle where you can tell if there are any concrete slabs or pavers over there. http://www.orlandorealestatechick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/caylee_anthony-0776-home071808searc.jpg
Okay…here’s a really sensitive possibility. Could kc have had a miscarriage and flushed it down?
Hope no one takes offense at that…but it would be something that would cause panic if found.
WOW BREAKING news not ever seen or heard before. I thought they were involved in some way from the beginning somehow.. I imagine if your child comes to you as a parent especially when it is a only child and states they have made a mistake and harmed someone, some people’s first thought may fall for their child but NOT ME I would defend the helpless child/ren that falls a victim to this horrible crime. But clearly from the beginning I again could tell that both Tot Mom’s parents clearly had make the wrong chose about who and why to cover up or hide information regarding their grandchild… anyway the ball rolls GOD take care of whomever harmed/killed this precious little girl.. and all others like her this BRING ABOUT A PEACE and really THE ONLY WAY TO LOOK at something so HORRIBLE AND SOULLESS action of cruelty I can could ever imagine someone doing
***Sorry I missed an link in my 1:29 post. It was one of the really important ones, plus I had one paragraph twice. So maybe you could post this edited version instead, since that one is still in moderation.***
Jnpgh and all,
The concrete/cement could have been used anywhere. Could have been used to make an all-concrete slab, or as rough bedding for pavers. Could have been a quick mortar mix just for setting pavers. So I went back to the photos and videos for a refresher.
The 2nd video on this page provides a reasonable orientation of the backyard. http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/
This photo gives a good birds-eye view of the backyard, and helped me the best with getting the layout in my mind. http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/anthony-backyard.jpg
The “patio” area can be seen in the 3rd photo on this page. http://lefteyeonthemedia.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/supreme-court-of-the-media/
The same can be seen in the photo in the post at 10-10-2008, 8:50 AM on this websleuths thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70639&page=2 However, the paver area with the table and chairs (the part nearest the sandbox) does seem to be firmly set, such as with concrete/mortar.
Note that in this photo, you can also see a raised bed with loose pavers between the playhouse and sandbox. Concrete or mortar is not visible as a setting material for that area. It does appear that the playhouse may have been previously set on that bed.
The picture in this thread http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5760.1340 shows Caylee on the pavers near the house. There are clearly two sets–the smaller ones that Caylee is on, and larger ones in the back. The ones that I can see do not seem to be set in cement and mortar, and clearly aren’t brand new at that time.
This photo http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_9_fall_2006_080905_ssh.jpg shows an even earlier picture, with the paved (with pavers) area along the side of the house. In this picture, the pavers end even with the bordered “flowerbed” area along the house. It is only in the later pictures without Caylee that the pavers extend out into the yard. The area of extension, assuming those pavers are set into concrete/mortar/grout, would be reasonably consistent with the 26 bags of “cement” used. (The older pavers seem to me to only be set in bedding sand, but I can’t tell for sure from these photos.)
I think that the photo on this page shows a little “external” plumbing. http://www.wftv.com/news/17025607/detail.html Pretty clear from this that the pipes run under not over, but plumbing is not my expertise.
Soil and concrete, on the other hand, are my thing.
Hope these images help refresh some memories, and clarify the area in question. It’s been a long time, and I myself had forgotten whether there were pavers or a concrete slab. I don’t see a slab, unless it’s by the pool, and not visible in these photos. But the new paver patio is pretty clearly delineated.
lizzy
More information to ponder. I read today where the Scott Peterson trial took 5 months of testimony and 2 days of closing arguments. The jury was only sequestered for the time they deliberated. I have a feeling we are in for a long trial. Can not imagine anyone wanting to be sequestered for 3 or more months…to me it will be harder to find people to do that. I have always wondered what Casey Anthony was doing all those years when she was suppose to have been working. Where did she go? What did she do? What was she doing with Caylee? Anyone have any idea? It has been stated she may have been an Escort or worse but she never seemed to have any money. I find that totally bizzare.
Blink
great comments!
I am speechless!!
I know I know it’s a miracle lol
Has there been an official release of the cause of death of Caylee?
Yes, “undetermined means”.
B
Would someone please tell me WHY they had to get rid of the blue dress? I try to think of a reason and only evil thoughts go through my mind. Could it possibly still be in the Ants septic tank under their front yard? Surely LE has thought of this.
Imo, I find it hard to believe that casey would have killed Caylee at the anthony home with a chance of one of the anthony members walking in on the situation. If this is what happened, most seem to think she killed Caylee on the 16th after 4ish pm. So, am I on the same page when saying she drowned Caylee in the tub, stuck her in the trunk of her car and that is when something would have gone down the drain or was it the day she backed the car in the garage to clean up the mess apply the duct tape and then flush something down the drain purposely. Could she have possibly flushed a pull up???
Is there any chance they replaced the carpeting in Caylee’s room and needed a reason why they replaced it?
Casey has lied to Cindy over and over about not being around the orlando area. Being here with zanny and there. Could it be that Cindy wants to know, if Caylee is in Jacksonville, then why would a pull up be stuck in the toilet backing up the water into the home if Casey hasn’t been around the home to change Caylee. Especially if Cindy has used the toilet the day before and it was working fine. Could it be that Cindy has figured out that Casey is lying about where she it at and she demands answer. Maybe it could have been clothing. If it were the blue dress, then Cindy would be freaked and want to know why??? She has began to panick
All of you are amazing! I mostly lurk, but this latest has me all stirred up.
Sneffers, I’d like to hear more of your bathtub drowning theory.
Could it be that Cindy, while preparing to do the backyard renovations, noticed that pavers were missing from the playhouse and their minds went into overdrive. Casey’s stolen a lot of things…money, gas cans, etc., but why pavers? She knew the pool ladder had been left by the pool. Duck taped pavers to the child to weigh her down? Or pavers placed in the bathtub after the deed was done in order to keep her submerged?
I can picture all sorts of scenarios with the argument the night of the 15th. I can picture Casey drowning her daughter, then staging the pool ladder to say later, “see, Mom, YOU did it….you’re the irresponsible one….YOU left the ladder up — Caylee died by YOUR hand!”
Of course none of this explains a plumbing leak. Keep at it Blinkers!
I wondered if it was the missing pages from her diary, although I’m not sure how much would have been readable.
Blink,
All I can say is curiouser and curiouser.
What does all this mean? Was whatever was discovered by the Anthonys then destroyed, hidden, never offered up as information to the police? We’ll probably never know the truth (imagine that).
I was thinking that instead of them finding something in the toilet or in the pipes, perhaps they found something of alarming value hidden in a the back of a vanity that encloses a sink or hidden in a garbage can in said vanity. I know that when my plumbing has leaked or pipes have broken and it’s spewing out under my sink, the first thing I do is shut off the water, then begin to remove all the now wet items from under the sink. Is it possible that Casey had hidden something (the blue dress, a bottle of chloroform, etc) in there with the plan that she would return to get rid of the evidence at a later date (but as we know, and as you so eloquently put it, Blink, she is “uber lazy” and got caught up in la bella vita). I noticed in the diagram of the house, that it appears that there is a bathroom that is between Casey and Caylees room, and was more than likely “their” bathroom and not utilized so much by the remainder of the family, so Casey may have thought that the ‘items’ would be safe until her return.
Such great input by everyone….now back to more reading.
What a shame none of us is up for Jury selection!!!
@ Carolyn S from Maryland, Sneffers and Marci
Wow! I am thinking it had to be something like the ring or a tooth (Caylee was way to young to be losing teeth) to cause such a reaction from Cindy. I also think that the thought of Caylee being dead didn’t hit Cindy and George until they smelled the car. For a short time, they believed that Casey hurt Caylee. Later, they decided it was someone else who was trying to exact revenge on Casey. Since that time, they have refused to look at the evidence; because, they think their daughter is being set up by the real killer. I think they suffer from guilt; because, they thought for a second that Casey was capable of murder. This is why they are hiding evidence. I think they will blame one of her friends like the one that wanted to adopt Caylee or George if all else fails.
The “Anthony Speak” gets clearer all the time.
The bad smell in the corner of Caylee’s room–in her play corner–may have been from setting the victim and bag down there or from an attempt to bury her under floorboards. Cindy often brings in the opposite of what is true as in the smell of “clean water”–hmm, but it was not ‘clean’ or ‘water.’
Anthony Speak communicates that all is taken care of there; no worries, Casey. For more veracity, a “church friend” is brought in to help…no worries about an outside source testifying.
Ok… Everyone! Let’s get creative. We need lots of silly humor to see this through.
Speaking of having fun… Mr. Mason bugs me. During the FRY hearing he starts laughing about a stupid nat crawling across the screen… Hello? Knock, knock… Is he for real? Is this a sampler of what he deems funny? Hate to say this… but Casey can’t skip the halls with chains on.
I hope everyone will write 48 hours at CBS news to let them know your outrage that with three weeks left for jury selection they are going to run a show whose outcome shows Casey Anthony found guilty by some group based upon forensic evidence. Its unbelievably manipulative and unfair.
Sorry if someone can correct my post above about the 48 hours show-
this group finds Casey NOT-guilty – my post shows a real freudian slip as I feel she is guilty!
While I am not sure about a tooth being something that could have been found in plugged pipes, I do remember being bothered by Cindy’s assertions that Caylee had many, possibly as many as 3 or 4 baths a day, as I remember. I thought it was an odd thing to tell LE and when you think about it, this may be more Anthony speak……
…casey borrows shovel….digs hole in back yard by caylees room, hits pipe and leakage begins. after a couple of weeks, water leaks into caylees room. did she bury something out there
To all who have mentioned “the ring”. It was interesting how Cindy questioned Casey about it in the jail visit. Cindy pretty much brings it up out of the blue during their conversation. Cindy asks (pp) ‘hey, your tiffany ring, the heart shaped one….where is it?’ Casey replies (pp)’I haven’t seen that ring in a long time’. Cindy then asks (pp) ‘where did you get that from again, I forgot’. Casey replies (pp) ‘from Jeff’. Then Cindy says ‘We can’t find Jeff’.
You can find the jail visit at WFTV’s archives of the Casey Anthony case. It’s the Parent’s visit, Morning July 25th, Part 2 of 2 beginning at the 1 min 45 second mark.
Blink, there is something I have to ask, as it’s bothered me for a long time. It’s really not related to this piece, but I need your input, please. There is something about the day that Tony Lazzaro picked up Casey at the Anthony home and she had grocery bags full of frozen food that Tony felt that she had taken from the house. Is it possible that Casey cleared out food from the freezer in the garage and placed Caylee’s body there for a short period of time, or attempted to? Please point out the obvious to me that in no way could that have happened.
He did not pick her up at the house, he picked her up at amscot, and to my knowledge the only frozen item was popcicles, and we do not know if they were actually frozen.
B
Lizzy
There is no battle of the engineers. You are absolutely correct. I sat at the computer and plugged in the volume for a 94 lb. bag of portland cement into the 80 lb. bag of mix. My brain must have been in the process of going to sleep. My appoligies to everyone.
Marci
Thank you for your kind words. I am not familiar with the radio show Texas Rangers. I have a powerful bass-baritone voice that can extend into the tenor range. I don’t know about the radio voice of the lead in the show. You could be lucky and have picked a similar voice. I know that my wife likes for me to read her to sleep. I have sung in many choirs and in the chorus of a civic opera association.
If you want to hear a good clear voice, then listen to Blink when she goes on the radio with Dana. I don’t know if she can sing, but she has posted about singing with her little ones, something that all parents should do with their children.
If a steam cleaner was used on the trunk and the waste water that was collected was flushed down in the toilet/sink/tub ….is it possible the waste could have clogged up the pipe lines??
Blink,
Thanks so much for the clarification. I forgot that it was at amscot. There is so much information in this case that my memory is failing me! Have I told you lately how great you are and how much you are appreciated!!!
Maybe Cindy drowned caylee in the bathtub or in the pool, or something happened under GA’s watch. Kind of looks that way.
Kind of hard if the coverup already was in place even before Casey arrived home to find a dead child huh or couldnt find her at all until? I never get over the fact Cindy Anthony can talk about Caylee and not shed a tear, maybe because she mourned her long before the stalling came to hilt. I dont think they gathered they had to pick up that car at Amscot after the staging. I never thought Casey killed her child, rather kind of found out afterthefact and coverup already was taking place by one of her own parents…moo
artgal,
Local news etc has been leaking info about Casey’s guilt since day one. Why are all the haters so shocked that there are plenty of ppl out there that believe they dont have the evidence to convict? Why? Because this is the worst investigation in history and they only focused on one person. :If you are upset with 48 hours, you should be just as upset with the local news in Florida,…Hypocrtital to say the least. Wake up.
There are no haters here, and I will not allow you to speak to a poster that way.
I also do not think anyone thinks the Msm in Florida has done a stellar job in covering this case, from an investigative perspective, but they have been effective most of the time.
The fact that you claim the investigation is “the worst in history” and focused on one person cracks me up.
It would seem to me that Casey Anthony herself spent a great deal of her hard to come by media cash investigating everyone, and what do you know?
She is dreaming of RV trips with a similar nut job from a cell that she will be calling home from the rest of her natural life.
B
Lizzy
Thanks for the photo reference about the side yard. There does appear to be a hose bib on the wall beyond the window of Kaylee’s room. This bib could be from overhead or slab installed. It is too indistinct to really determine.
The pipe at the kitchen is too large to be a water line. It is not real clear, but it appears to be about a 3 inch piece of ABS plastic normally used for drains. This could be from the kitchen sink and the dish washer. It also seems to have a clean-out fitting.
There is a double riser of PVC (plastc) that has a valve and maybe a pressure regulator. The photo is just not good enough to determine what its true functon is.
Based on what can be seen in the photo, there is no way to accurately determine if the water supply is in the slab or overhead. It could be a combination. However, we could definately see the ABS drain and the PVC water control riser.
Someone mentioned that they thought something could be in a septic tank. This is a developed subdivision, so I don’t think there are going to be septic tanks. The city would have a sewer line in the street to take the waste water and solids.
Word Girl
Your post about the child being possibly buried under the floor boards. This house is on a concrete slab. The carpet is placed over a rubber pad that is on the slab. If wood flooring is installed, it would be placed on screeds attached to the slab or if some of the new wood flooring products, placed on a vapor barrier that is on the slab.
This type construction does not allow one a place to hide something like a body or clothing except in a closet, the attic or under a sink cabinet or in a storage cabinet.
Imo, she was triple-bagged in the playhouse, or under the sandbox after Casey attempted to dig a hole on 6/18 and abandoned the idea. Cindy told her that her and George would be doing backyard renovations the week she was off, and Casey knew she needed to move her.
The stench allowed her to go less than a half mile.
B
Blink,
PamVA,
Isn’t there information somewhere explaining that george and Cindy “knew” about the car being towed “before” there was a notice in their door???
PamVA—if that were true this would fit into the time line you printed.
The defense blogger/employees ( as if they will ever really get paid…how long would you hold on to that I.O.U. from Jose Baez?) are alive and well on this blog and many others.
So many possibilities. I am kinda leaning to the shovel use in attempt to ‘dig’ which was far harder than one lazy girl could muster. May have gotten pissed and stomped on down on a pipe or something. I don’t see what would be worth the risk in flushing an object that might not make it down. Maybe a faked plumbing problem was the cover for the damaged items found in Caylee’s room, ie wet carpet as anotherb mentioned.
But I don’t think Cindy drowned Caylee in the tub or that Geo was the caretaker during her murder. They hadn’t seen her for 31 days.
innocentuntilprovenguilty…. Casey would not take the fall for either parent as that would give her more leverage to get the house. If someone else did this to the baby girl, casey would not be quiet at all, she would have been singing like a bird in love if someone did this>>> I would bet money on it and lots of it.
Wow ! B . Excellent reading . I have never believed that George saw Casey and Caylee the morning of 16th June. I have always thought that after the row with Cindy on Sunday evening she took a crying Caylee out to her car and drove away ? I still think that Casey murdered her later that evening or early hours of the morning in a fit of rage ? It may account after reading what you wrote about the plumbing emergency and desperately trying to reach Casey they found Caylee’s clothes she was dressed in at the nursing home on the 15th ? Maybe Casey had chucked them down an outside drain which caused a blockage ? I never understood why Cindy would clean Casey’s death car after they got it home smelling like that and Caylee had not been seen for weeks instead of calling LE ? Maybe the prosecution will introduce the plumber at trial to enlighten us ?
I’m so glad to read that you don’t think Casey ever actually buried Caylee, Blink. I always thought that Casey’s foray into the use of a shovel was just as you said, an abandoned attempt.
NancyS, I couldn’t agree with you more, taking the fall for anyone is simply not part of Casey’s mode of operation.
I guess we can all speculate all day. I think the folks posting here are pretty darn close to the truth.
@ innocentuntilprovenguilty – The cover didn’t begin until after Cindy called the police. She paniced when she smelled the odor in the car, along with odd things at her home and the fact that she didn’t see her Granddaughter in quite a while. She wanted answers from Casey.
I agree with NancyS; Casey wouldn’t take the fall for anyone not even for herself.
Very interesting to learn of this ‘plumbing incident’ and letter to Casey possibly cryptic…….that’s why I love this site – truly the latest breaking news, often exclusively. I’m sure the prosecution can and have solved this puzzle with a call to the plumbers, but we are left to ponder.If the incident happened the day after the Anthonys brought home the car, perhaps they tried to flush something from the vehicle instinctively more to be rid of the rancid smell. Maybe it was an item of clothing or something else from Calee’s room, hence the reference to Calee’s room. A simplistic guess anyways…
Another random piece of info I once came across in my days of obsessive digging, was a flurry of phone calls Casey made from the house one day I believe during the period Calee is said to have died. I wish I had it in front of me right now for more specific reference, but Casey had made a surge of calls to Cindy at work and on cell, trying repeatedly in a short period of time. It appeared she did not get a hold of her and immediately after she made a call to a number never before seen, the duration of that call at least a few minutes and possibly more than one time.
I looked up the number and it was some kind of company offering Health/Medical Services at home. I verified it wasn’t affiliated with Cindy’s work and wondered if something had happened then or she wanted info to cover her tracks at this point, this would be her possible alternative to a more ‘trackable’ source such as 911.
I’m new to the whole myriad of options in the health care ‘business’ here in the US, so with the little info I found in researching this company, I’m only left to guess. I’m sure between Blink and the great many Blinkers here, someone has the exact info I’m talking about and likely a better idea surmising that call. Would appreciate any info or insight
PS I wonder…to what extent do sociopaths feel fear? As little as anything else or only right in the face of it, their own life/interests at immediate stake? I find it quiet amazing a girl that age could be coming to court each day, see the death penalty becoming a higher and higher probability and act like she is attending her college law class…taking notes and making sure to stay on top of her appearance and all the social nuances of someone hoping to impress a guy. But I guess if you’ve been sitting alone in a stark closet size home every day for 3 years, maybe court would become the equivalent of going to ‘ball’ for you…especially if you thrive on attention.
Blink, I agree about your two possiblities where Kaylee was placed. Our lazy playgirl, who loved to manipulate those around her, found out that using a shovel requires strength and skill, two things missing in her life.
Two blocks in a warm car trunk probably had Casey gagging from the stench, a smell she could never imagine. And since she had always run away when things didn’t go her way, this is just what she did.
Casey has been holding something over Georges head for many a years. I’d still like to know who video tapped Caylee in the high chair eating breakfast. Somewhere out in cyber world George says… “I was the one in the morning who feed Caylee her breakfast after Cindy went off to work”.
Again, I’ve seen vacant eyes of a child who feel victim of “Family Secrets” that played out for 4 years. If you watch the breakfast video… No one speaks a word the this child. Caylee appears to feel safe, but you can see that she starts to question their motive and lack of communication and follows the camera lens to underneath to where her privates are being filmed.
Would Casey have done that? I think not. Although, a good part of my says yes. She would be the one not speak a word to this child as a form of abuse and I think this family practiced abuse in their every day life and the rewards were material things. Go figure.
If Casey were digging a hole on the property to bury Caylee then that is just plain crazy. How would she have ever gotten away with that. Distrubing the ground for her parents to see.
Also, I can’t believe the girl would take a chance on leaving Caylee anywhere in that yard being summer time and Cindy and George always outside doing some activity to find her or smell the stench that would have began to happen. But we are talking about the Anthony’s, so who knows.
I realize that since the dogs hit there has to be an explanation and the only one would be that she hid Caylee somewhere in the backyard because why would she take her out the trunk and bring her in the backyard to bag her. Seems like if she were in the trunk to begin with then she would have backed the car inside and bagged her there.
The stench allowed her to go less than a half mile.
B
Damn! If that didn’t bring up tears, nausea and the need to put my hands on Casey A. and choke her myself. That poor baby. WHY???? I very much so believe in God and try hard to live like I’m supposed to but every once in a while I have to ask that old question of…why Caylee God, why? Why not just let Casey die in a car wreck or something? I know there is a reason for everything and something to be learned but when it comes to a child I can’t pretend to understand. Sorry guys to be such a downer on top of this bad situation but when I read Blinks comment above I got mad as hell! Oh, how I wish I could have pushed her in the trunk and closed the lid. I would hope she choked on her own vomit! That beautiful, innocent, little baby reduced to a sickening smell and stain on a truck carpet. Way to go MOM!!!! How you feel bout that Casey. You caged your baby in a hot, sweltering trunk in FL heat until she melted. Sweet baby Caylee never has to deal with bad stuff ever again! Nothing but baby dolls, cupcakes, puppy dogs and lots of friends and family to love her, hug her and sing songs with her from now on. Just what she always deserved. I have this happy little vision sometime of all our loved ones on BOC and SM all together just living, being happy, taking care of each other, cooking and baking and doing just anything they dream of! Love to them all and to my BOC and SM friends. Gotta go to work. Y’all have a wonderful day, at least try please! Missy
It is maddening to me that so many people seem to conveniently forget major points of fact in this case.
LE was looking for Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. Cindy called 911 frantically, after being told by Casey, that the nanny, “Zanny” had taken Caylee 31 days prior. (The nanny only Casey knew and had seen)
During those 31 days, Cindy and George thought Casey was trying to keep Caylee from seeing them and talking to them, inorder to punish them for some bs selfish reason/need of Casey’s. They did not think she was kidnapped or that she was dead. At worst IMO, they thought Casey had given her away…
Anyone that has read Shirley Pleasea’s emails knows that Cindy was unaware of Caylee’s whereabouts, well-being & “kidnapping”.
Anyone that has read or watched George’s interviews with the FBI his depos- his jail visits- know that he was, in the beginning, just a distraught grandfather. He was a father, that was reluctantly suspect of his daughter, Casey, and what she may have done to Caylee.
He knew in his heart of hearts what that smell could be, what it meant – he was trying to cushion the blow for his wife and for his son. He was hoping against hope that Caylee would be found alive and well.
“Only Casey Knows”, I agree with that statement- but we will never here the truth from her. Casey murdered Caylee and disposed of her thinking nothing more about “it” until Lee showed her where the lies would eventually end up-
Anyone that is entertaining a thought that Cindy or George were in on Caylee’s disappearance or death or disposal- need only step back and think-
If George killed Caylee why would he have needed Casey to dispose of her- thats just plain idiotic …… what? He told her-Here Casey I am gonna trust you to take care of this for me- you’ve never listened to me before buthey I guess you have always proven yourself to be my cohort-(NOT)- you are undoubtedly capable of this monumental task- (NOT) make sure you dont leave any evidence behind- and by george – run out of gas…- and loeave your purse in the car and… leave behind a stasin so I can stick my nose in it (NOT)
PLEASE= if George knew about it- or did it- he would have made damn sure noone else did – he would have taken care of the mess himself and never allowed Casey to touch a thing.
If Cindy did it, or knew about it, why did she search for Casey and call Annie and LE ect
NOONE would have known about Caylee and Casey if not for Cindy and George.
No ONE else cared what was going on- the tow yard guy thought nothing more about it until he heard about Caylee on tv. None of Casey’s friends would have thought twice- they would have accepted the lame excuses for Caylee’s whereabouts-
ONLY George and Cindy would have cared and did care- and Lee, cared because his parents cared, and were at their wits end- Caylees greatgrandparents cared and her aunt and uncle- they all were trying to figure out where Caylee was and what happened to her…and what Casey was up to.
The ONLY one on the face of the Earth that didnt care was Casey. The only one that was lying and making up excuses for Caylee’s whereabouts and her well-being was Casey. The only one that was of NO HELP to LE was Casey- everyoneelse was desperately trying to help
The ONLY ONE that was sleeping peacefully and smiling pretty for the cameras was Casey.
The ONLY one that is responsible for the death and disposal of Caylee Marie Anthony is her mother, and I think it is sick that she and her defense can first say what She is innocent someoneelse did it… the nanny …then switch gears and saw Here it was Roy Kronk- FGS, LKB and AL said on national tv that he could have done it-
“There is as much circumstantial evidence implicating Roy Kronk, as there is implicating our client. And that the state and police should have investigated him as a suspect, there were so many red flags, it was a sea of red,” Lyon said.
“He’s the only one who’s been with the body. He’s the only one who magically discovers it. He takes a day off before he discovers it in December. He calls his son a month ahead of time and says, I’m gonna be on TV; I’m gonna be famous.”
…and now the Defense and Casey Anthony are throwing her family into the fire all in the hopes of supplying reasonable doubt… well I say BS- There is nothing Reasonable about believing anyone other than Casey Anthony is to blame.
SHE is the ONLY ONE that was in hiding- She is the ONLY ONE that went on with her life, happily- while offering excuses and lying about Caylee being fine. SHE is the ONLY ONE that benefits from any of these lies and to believe otherwise is beyond rationality.
AJMO
sorry about all the typos guys -I shouldn’t type while I am emotional
Seems to me Casey also had a box of Banquet frozen chicken with her when Tony picked her up at Amscot…I also remember a lot of questions about the freezer in the garage of the Anthony home when Cindy was being diposed, but I could be wrong, it happens.
Artgal,
We’re riding the same wave! I don’t even think you need to write. Not tuning in would send a clear message. Low ratings would do just fine, imho.
I personally have no desire for giving the Scamphonies and the defense a platform of any kind.
Blink, of all the explanations regarding Casey’s choice of disposal of Caylee’s remains, that makes the most sense! It seemed a hasty way to get rid of her…..so close to home in an obvious place to look. Casey must have panicked to a point where there was not much time to ‘plan’, just react. The stench explains why she was in a panic. Along with the O theory, that would have been another unexpected horror for her to deal with. What a reminder, too, of what she had done!!!!! And that is why you are the expert. I think the tendancy for most of us is to over think the details. I am as guilty for it.
I am certain of Casey’s guilt. However, how little Caylee died will probably stay between God, Caylee and monster of the year.