Caylee/Casey Anthony Trial: Perry Plan In Effect Prosecution Takes A Hit-”Not Race Neutral” Defense Strikes Dwindle
“Never Forget Almost Every Case is Won Or Lost When The Jury Is Sworn”
Clarence Darrow
Clearwater, FL- This Morning, the 8th day of jury selection Linda Drane Burdick, prosecuting attorney for the State v. Casey Anthony, renewed her argument to use their peremptory challenge to strike a female African American for cause, that she could not “judge others” for religious reasons.
Chief Judge Perry required Burdick to read back the transcript of the Vior Dire exchange, and held the state to task for the “brief questioning” of this juror as compared to the first juror, of over 3 hours. What he neglected to remember, was that immediately after that juror, the judge rebuked both sides that if this was going to take this long, he was going to speed them up whether they liked it or not.
Again, limited the vior dire questioning time for either the prosecution or defense is a reversible error. While the judge did not limit either side, the message was clear.
Attorney for the defense, Jose Baez, objected both procedurally and on the grounds he would wish to receive transcripts of other jurors questionings to respond. Translation: Rule my way or the cans of worms this is going to open will be gushing out the doors of this cavernous courtroom.
It did not even get that far.
Judge Perry decided to let his earlier ruling stand: The State did NOT provide the court with a “Race Neutral” reason for cause, and therefore would not be permitted to utilize it’s peremptory challenge, as to do so would be “discriminatory” and against the Florida Supreme Court .
Here is the problem- Can we say that under Melbourne- a true inquiry or finding as to the reasonableness and GENUINENESS of the State’s motive for wanting to strike the juror for race neutral reasons occurred?
Melbourne Excerpt
No way. A window to how this does not stack up, was Jeff Ashton’s last comment on the matter immediately following Judge Perry’s original ruling.
” .. Does the court not believe the state’s reasoning..?”
-Jeff Ashton
This juror was not the only African American on the panel, not the only woman, and at no time did Judge Perry say why the court did not believe the reasonable basis for the challenge was not racially neutral.
This is in contradiction to Melbourne, Murray, and Tillman v. State of Florida.
According to Judge Perry, he believed this juror’s original comments about an inability to be judging were “rehabilitated” during further exploration during the Vior Dire and said he will not be hearing any further objections as to cause. Mark my words, if there is a conviction in this case, we have just potentially seen the first reversible error.
By the afternoon, after calling back the 11 that have been retained, Judge Perry announced that he will be swearing them in as soon as they hit the magic dozen, and no further backstrikes will be permitted.
Jose Baez offered an objection to the way the Judge was conducting the Vior Dire in the first place, citing his crystal ball cannot see whether or not he may want to strike any of the ” nearly empaneled” jurors without getting through all the potentials and does not want them “selected”.
Judge Perry followed what I will call the lenta spicula rule advising him they have had ample time to raise the issue, DENIED.
After some accidental “hot” microphone activity, Judge Perry leaves the courtroom to speak to the “first 11″, presumably sending them home, “Perry Style.” They are due to report tomorrow at 1 PM.
Another straight day of jury selection, the count of retained jurors that have not been stricken, but MAY be subject to backstrikes from either side tomorrow, is 11. I can actually now smell the 8th coat of virtual beige paint I have been watching dry. (blink ignores twitch in her right eye)
On the day originally slated to begin opening arguments in the trial, Casey’s parents had a “beginning” of their own.
Mark Lippman, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, announced they are going to file to trademark Caylee’s name, and the phrase “Justice for Caylee”. The above image was captured after Casey read a note written to her by Ann Finell, one of Casey Anthony’s defense counsel, potentially giving her the news, and occurred moments after appearing on The Orlando Sentinel.
Over and Under says the opening arguments begin Monday May 23rd.
Image Credit: Scaredmonkeys.net forum poster Brandi
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Thanks for everyones great posts- you have all gave me so much to think about throughout my time here on BOC
Everyone is so adept at stating their thoughts and feelings. Thanks to each and everyone of you-
The amount of insight and compassion on this “blog” is amazing.
Blink you should be proud.
Word Girl, You are so right – so many of us here, know so much of this case, and we are only hoping to hear the truth, and gain Justice for Caylee Marie Anthony.
Terri- you know what scares me? Learning what little Caylee’s everyday life was like…hearing what a “normal day” was like for her.
Her last day.
We heard Casey say “It was a normal day”…I dropped her off at the nannys between 9 and 1…
We have heard Cindy and George say it was a “normal day”…
What was a “normal day” for that beautiful compassionate little 2 year old girl?
Besides Casey, little Caylee was the only one that knew and lived a “normal” day
God knows that on a day just like a thousand before it -
just “a normal day” little Caylee ended up dead-
cause of death- homicide by undetermined means.. Murder by death…
and however it happened, little Caylee was left wrapped in duct-tape- inside garbage bags/and an old toy /laundry bag- thrown away like garbage down the street from her home.
I am afraid to hear what a “normal day” was like for Caylee- we know while she lay dead in the trunk, her mother partied- we know as she laid dead in the bog, being eaten by animals, her mother partied…
To Casey it was a “normal day”-
To Caylee it was her requiem- “a normal day”
With this trial may Caylee finally be able to Rest In Peace. May justice Be served- may Blink get her Momma doll- and may we all withstand the painful truth of the coming weeks.
My prayers to all of you, to Caylee, to her grandparents and to her family and to Blink.
We are gonna need them, the truth, I am afraid, is far uglier and gruesome than we could ever imagine.
Peace
I pray that this trial will bring justice for Caylee – that’s all I can say.
I actually felt very sorry for that woman
Just a question… does the prosecution make their opening statements first? TIA
Yes.
B
I have to say, I visited the you tube site to watch the video of Caylee…WOW!! Anyone with a human heart would not be able to watch that without crying for such a terrible loss to this world. I also have a Kaylee, she is my granddaughter and is 2 yrs old. Her single mother lives with us. Kaylee was named in part for me, my middle name is Kay, and her grandfathers middle name is Lee. But my daughter also loved Caylee Anthony so hence the name. I look at my little granddaughter laying in bed next to me right now and see nothing but pure innocence, beauty and love as it should be. I know that I love this little girl more than I love my own life and would give it up in a heartbeat if it meant saving this angel. I hope and pray that the power of this love permeates this new jury and that they will have the ability to see to it that this little baby Caylee has justice once and for all. Anyone who could hurt an angel like this cannot be human.
If my comment is awaiting moderation for almost 20 hours why not just remove it? Someones got a problem with it ,I get it,I just wish they would state it.
R.L.- my appollies, no problem whatsoever, I am soccer mom in two different states all weekend, way behind.
Thanks everyone for your patience, the Blinkettes come first.
B
How about feeling sorry for that woman’s child! She said she has a 2 yr old child at home. OMG when I heard that I literally jumped off my couch. What times we live in!
I went to Jury Selection last Saturday, and as I left the house, my daughter (who BTW is trying very hard to have a baby)…grabs my arm and warns me, “Mom, PLEASE behave, and don’t yell out!
OMG, I thought, what if I really lose it when I see Casey in person??
It was very surreal being there, seeing all the Players (met Jean Caseras in the ladies room).
Just stayed a couple hours (daughter was watching my elderly mother). As I was leaving, there was a blonde gal outside the courtroom sitting on a bench typing.
I came up to her and asked her if she was BLINK. She replied, “no”, then I asked if she was a blogger, which she wasn’t.
My husband, looked at me like I had 2 heads and asked in the weirdest tone, ” WHAT in the world did you just ask that lady? I mumbled, “Oh nothing, you wouldn’t understand”. Little does he know…
Lol, funny you mention that….
I was in Orlando last month, and had a very similar experience. Will write on it at the trial’s conclusion, lol.
B
Mom3.0 says:
May 22, 2011 at 12:02 am
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Mom, I’ve been reading here for quite some time now and I needed to tell you that you are so wise, and your posts so eloquent and heartfelt. You bring out a lot of emotions in me and you sometimes bring me to tears. I feel as if I know you and look forward to reading what you have to say. If I could reach in to my computer I would give you the biggest hug. Take care Mom and God bless you and everyone here on BOC.
She has that effect on people and I do not think BOC would ever be the same without her, heart u Mom 3.0
B
ERB
amen to your prayer! we have been here three long years and sometimes it seemed and felt like more!! we have gone through so many emotional ups and downs. At last it will be caylee that is front and center.!!!!
nANCY S
I am with you 100% …. the anthonys did not spend their time looking for caylee.. they pitched a tent pulled out the money jars and commenced to pandhandling the public all in the name of caylee.
the only time you heard them plead for help was on t.v for money! for the cameras. they knew it was a lucrative business… the first time they got a payout set the pattern for more… the greed multiplied.
they cursed the people looking for caylee
tim miller and LE were treated like dirt. everything they and their twisted daughter did will come out and be exposed.
blink
I tried to do as you said to pat my back but ! my arms are to short!! so I inprovised and used my back scratcher! does that count:)
for three years we have perserviered (spelled wrong? I can bearly even remember my own name !!! after all the battles and drama.
many bloggers have come here and gone! but the faithful have lingered on! not that the others werent faithful! for some bless their hearts!! the journey to justice was just to much to bear. I cant even count the times that I have wanted to walk away…. but I couldnt do it!! each nite for the last three years I have gone to bed praying for caylee to get her jusitce… never missed a night!!!
like many of you!! justice is so close …. my heart is filled with so much love and appreciation for the prosecution and the judge in this case. they have been put through so much by the inept jose but they maintained and here we gooooooooooooooo
helleluer as medea’ says
Blink, I have a lot of respect for you. You’re so passionate about your work and the victims of crime. You’ve created a terrific community in your blog and the camaraderie here is incredible. It’s very comfortable here and I’d hug you too if I could.
TY
B
What a wonderful group of posters on this site. Thank you all for the thoughts you express.
I never pass the photo of little Kaylee sitting on her grandfather’s lap without hearing her little voice in my head asking about his being tired. Even as a baby, she was concerned for the well being of her Poppa.
kaylee Is our Sunshine child. That song has always been a favorite of mine ever since I first heard it sung by Jimmie Davis in the late 1930′s.
Thank you Blink for all that you do for those who can no longer defend themselves. Take care of those Blinkettes for they are our future.
Carmen-
Thank you so very much for taking the time to write that.
Its always nice to hear you are appreciated.
If I ever needed a cyberhug, it would have been today-
so thank you for your kindness, it means alot.
PS- Thanks Blink, heart u right back.
I never followed a case before Kyron Horman. As day after day went by with no information, I started watching the Casey Anthony Trial. It is all brand new to me. When I see the dedication, the determination and the heart-felt dedication to bringing justice for Caylee, I am filled with hope that someday we will find the same justice for Kyron.
Because I am a newbie to the case, I cannot pretend to understand the depth of emotion I read here. What I CAN understand is the heart-felt, deep-seated, ground in the bone need and desire for justice for a sweet, innocent child.
Kudos, to all of you… for waiting until justice is served, for being here daily for Caylee….. I am humbled. I am heart-struck. I am hoping and praying for justice for Kyron, too.
momof3
your awesome and so appreciated.
texas granfather
the same can be said about you and all the blinkers here! awesome bunch!! what will we do with ourselves after this trial ends.? I dont know if my heart could do this again. its sad and painful had it not been for the injustice paid to caylee by her family!! I would not have been so into it.
love my hinky family…..
omg I meant my blinky family
the hinky is cool but not my home blog this is where I hang my hat… from day 1
vals awesome though!!!
Beautiful, moving posts….every single one of you! I like to think everyone has contributed in their own unique way. Most importantly, what brought us together was the death of innocence and how it impacted us individually. When I felt like giving up on humanity, I found love in community at BOC. We’ve all found a safe place to voice our deepest emotions and share personal experiences. From complete strangers to universal friends and family.
Blink and friends, thank you for the inspiration, raw honesty and allowing me to be a small part of the cause. It is an absolute honour.
“Bless the beasts and the children
For in this world they have no voice
They have no choice”
~Perry Botkin, Jr. & Barry DeVorzon~
♥
I have no idea how to, or I would.
B
@ Mom3.0
You have the best ability at articulating your feelings. I just wanted to say thank you for efforts, especially with the updates! You’ve been an instrument to information many have not had access to. A great task you took on.
A ‘normal day’….2 words that have haunted me, but I could not put my finger on why. You called it. It was anything but normal in a day in the life of Caylee Marie. No stability. No routine. Living like a gypsy, never knowing where she would lay her head to sleep each night. All she ever wanted was her mother’s love and affection.
no
B
Hello to all my cyber friends; I can’t possibly express better my thoughts than the beautiful one’s posted above. From the irascible Chica, to the brilliant Mom3.0, heartfelt Ragdoll, wise ATG. So many, so faithful, all determined to seek justice for a beautiful little girl called Caylee whom none of us personally knew and yet who has found her way into our hearts. Like you all, I never miss a day checking into BOC, sometimes many times a day. Am I suffering OCD? No, I believe we are all are basically decent human beings who can no more envisage harming any child let alone our own. What Casey Anthony did, and ultimately her family’s betrayal of Caylee, so goes against everything I hold dear, I am at a loss and feel bereft for the human race. It is only by coming to BOC that I feel there is hope for the world, that there are many people throughout the world who feel as I do. Blink we are all indebted to you for this wonderful site, thank you so much. I want to say so much but you know where I’m coming from, my heart is full with gratitude to you all from my side of the pond.
Oh dear, I’ve just read my post back, not how I wanted to express myself but I am lumbered with the stiff upper lip of us Brits. It is so hard to say I love you all and feel honoured to be included in this wonderful circle of people; but as my mum would have said, my heart’s in the right place, just not used to wearing it on my sleeve. Exit stage left, blushing.
This is just a thought but does anyone think that Baez and Company planted that lady that yelled out? It just seemed like a little weird that she had a 2 year old, she said “I didn’t know I was going to say that” and then named all her health issues which included borderline personality, PTS and so on. Aren’t these the things the defense is claiming Casey has? Could this be to show that someone in that condition can say and do things that they might not have control of? Then the Judge said “if not for your mental health issues, I would have sentenced you longer”???? Anyone?
Sorry if I’m way off base here – but this is something I would NOT put past Baez.
My heart feels so very heavy today. I too am afraid of what we may hear of a “normal” day in precious Caylee’s life. My mind has a hard time going there. I have grown to love Caylee. I just pray the trunk was never her baby sitter. I also pray that on the day she died that she was drugged 1st, so that she did not know that her very own mother did this to her.
Morning everyone – i have thought about this jury and what they will soon hear(bless them) and i know people keep talking about seat 4?- can’t judge anyone lady, State tried hard to strike – imagine after all is said and done, we might be surprised as to her reaction, herself included,as to her views after she has “lived” it, it may end up being one of the others that change – h*ll they will all change and never be the same! i guess what i’m trying to say is – who knows how anybody would react, i can say, based on what i have seen/read i am extremely upset and demand that she pay for it …sorry Blink, i’m getting “itchy” before this starts,and Caylee was so precious!!!!
yes agreeing with everyone – what was a normal day? God i don’t know if i can bear to hear, with 4 children of my own, i know our normal, but really? God i LOVE my kids and this case just gets to me, who here wouldn’t have scooped her up in a heart beat, mama doll and all – great, now i’m crying again …
I find in my minds eye a picture of a sweet baby girl who never had a chance to see what life is all about. Although some might say this is hell, in Caylee’s case I believe it may have been. I hope tomorrow we will finally see justice begin for Caylee.
A note for Jose, WITTICISMS: Artifical intelligence is no math for
for natural stupidity. Now I wish you would use every ounce of your stupidity during this trail, and let this jury know what a jackhole you are!
Charlotte, i don’t think she was planted. random emotion from someone who seems to have some issues, hope she gets help
Claudia @ #26…I don’t think Caylee ever experienced life to its fullest either. I don’t think she had many day trips to Story-time, playgrounds, play dates, etc… I think she was carted around to the next boy friends house. My opinion is based on the pictures we see. So, so sad.
Blink what happens, if during the trial, it becomes mentally overwhelming to a juror, are there people(drs.)assigned to help them – we think we could handle it but what if it becomes just too much for any one of them, i would guess they would be replaced w/ alt.? does the State offer any kind of aftercare for jurors in cases like this – is that a dumb question?
In theory, their vior dire is designed to “evaluate” and weed out any potential juror that either side feels may be succeptible to it.
Individual circumstances will be dealt with individually, but I will say that there cannot really be any “counseling” on emotions evoked from testimony or evidence, jurors are tasked with evaluating the weight they give it when they have heard all of it, and then receive the final instructions prior to deliberations. In essence, one is supposed to just listen, and “try the facts” at the end.
B
Claudia, Thanks, yes Jackhole indeed, i needed a laugh
Question?
How does Casey walk with respect to the verdict?
Does it take all 12 jurors with a guilty vote to convict?
If one jury votes not guilty, is it then a hung jury?
Does a percentage play into the verdict?
You need a unanimous verdict for guilt, or aquittal on any of the charges
If a unanimous decision is not reached in the guilt phases than yes, it will result in a hung jury and mistrial.
B
They may as well re-name InSessions the “Baez BlowHard” station.
How far up Baez and Mason’s arse is this network?
Or should I say … just how far into their pockets are they ?
It’s obviously all about the $$.
Every time I’ve clicked past that channel today – it’s been one “exclusive” interview with either Blowzo or Foghorn Leghorn Mason after another. (worse than usual)
That’s alright.
Tomorrow is a bright and shiny new day.
Tomorrow, in the only courtroom that truly matters …
Ms Drane-Burdick, Mr Jeff Ashton, and Mr Frank George will shine the bright lights of TRUTH on all these cockroaches and they will scurry – as roaches natually do.
Justice for Caylee.
I work very hard at watching interviews of Jose Baez objectively. If I were ever in trouble, I would not hire any attorney that ever gave the guy a meeting. I do not believe he even believes what he is saying.
Juanie Cochran. Did you just hear that? He is kidding me. Johnny Cochran did not need to hire 11 different lawyers, choke the funnel and the best defense they have is the one where they point the finger at George?
Good Luck with that.
B
FL Mom- I live on the west coast, and can relate to some extent. I attended the preliminary hearing for Cary Stayner(yosemite killer). Prior to anyone knowing his identity, and his subsequent arrest, he had several counties here held hostage, no one felt safe. I did not get a seat in the courthouse, although I got a good look as he was escorted to and from. Actually seeing a murderer, in person, in shackles, gave me the heebie jeebies. Outside of the courthouse, I sat and chatted with a photographer from our local paper, and actually watched as he chose the “shot” of Stayner that would appear on the front page the next morning…if not for the reason we were all gathered there, it would have been pretty cool…
Charlotte,
I really think, if anything, that woman calling out the other day did more to hurt rather than help the DT position. Her demeanor was that of a truly mentally-challenged, personality-disordered (?perhaps?) person, regardless of the cause. KC’s ability to sit stoically in the face of judgement just shows her to be the sociopath we have all come to know. KC feels little because she cares not, except for her own fate. The woman in the courtroom was a mess of emotions, all over the place and clearly needing serious help, but clearly aware of wrongdoing, afraid of punishment (no giggling), expressing shame, etc… all the things we never saw from KC in all this long time and why we want to see her locked away where she cannot hurt anyone else.
Can anyone tell me if the jury has to be unanimous in their verdict? If they cannot all agree on the same verdict will that cause a mistrial?
I can tell you with respect if you read the other comments on this thread, the answers are there.
B
Chelsea
Do not blush for your English roots. My ancestral roots are there too and are to be found in the original census of 1066.
While you and I may not have the ability to express yourself so elequently as does Mom3.0,I (we) understand your feelings and desire for justice for Kaylee.
Kaylee is for certain an international symbol of a child of potential who lost her chance to grow and to love because of the selfishness of her biological mother. Maybe her legacy will be to create an awareness in society for caring for children other than your own.
Hi everybody – Chica, Mom3.0, Chelsea, Ragdoll & all the other Blinksters out there. There seems to be a reoccuring theme here about how we’re getting to the beginning of the end of this bizarre case that has sucked us all in. No matter how this all turns out for Caylee – after three years of following this case, and holding Caylee so close to all of our hearts, once the jury is in & has spoken, we’ll be left with a big void to fill. SO – since this isn’t the only case that our dear Blink is working on – I say we all continue to come HERE – to BOC & keep supporting Blink in everything she does. Caylee isn’t the only one out there that needs our support, and as awful as it is to think about……there will be more we don’t even know about yet. The end of the Casey/Caylee saga isn’t the end for Blink – let’s not make it the end for us.
Blink – THANK YOU for all you do!
Thanks for answering my question Blink. i can not imagine “just listening and trying the facts” and not have it profoundly change me as a person. also i would like to say Thanks Again to You for holding our hands thru this – i see it like the scene from Toy Story 3, when all the toys hold hands as they almost certainly face doom together, the end justifies the means, irony… hoping Judge Strickland is watching too
Amy
hello! everyone is waiting to hear what jose claims to be a bombshell in the first few seconds. yeah right!!
slowroller
I remember the stayner story! I had followed his brother’s kidnap story and his return to his family. Than years later another stayner in the news. That was a tragic story. Happened here in calif where I live.
I am anxious for tomorrow to began!!
I wonder what caseys emotions are not that I care but! since we have only seen her show emotion when its all about her and not the child she eliminated.
I want her to be at her worst!
I want justice !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks ATG – I somehow knew you would post something kind and encouraging; they don’t make them like you any more!! A thorough gentleman with a heart of gold. It is wonderful that Caylee has so many good and caring people in her corner and if love alone can bring about justice, God willing, we are on the home run. Thank you Blink for allowing me onto your brilliant site and for your dedication to ‘our’ lost children.
They actually filed it May 17th:
http://tdr.uspto.gov/jsp/DocumentViewPage.jsp?85322498/FTK20110520071350/TEAS%20Plus%20New%20Application/2/17-May-2011/sn/false#p=1
Charlotte says:
May 23, 2011 at 8:47 am
This is just a thought but does anyone think that Baez and Company planted that lady that yelled out?
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A woman after my own heart you are! My husband and I discussed this very same thing right after we saw the crazy lady incident happen on Court TV. We both looked at each other and at the same time said, “What are the chances Baez had something to do with that?” Too freaky. I too wouldn’t doubt it in the least. Sounds exactly like something Baez would do … anything to protect and potentially save his girlfriend, er I mean, “his client”. LOL
myers says:
May 23, 2011 at 10:33 am
Does it take all 12 jurors with a guilty vote to convict?
If one jury votes not guilty, is it then a hung jury?
Does a percentage play into the verdict?
You need a unanimous verdict for guilt, or aquittal on any of the charges
If a unanimous decision is not reached in the guilt phases than yes, it will result in a hung jury and mistrial.
B
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@Blink …
I thought I remembered hearing last year sometime when they were talking about a person getting convicted of a crime in FL that the jury doesn’t have to be unanimous? There just has to be a majority or something … or maybe that was only in the initial trial for guilty or not guilty and not the actual punishment part. Okay, now I’m confused. I swear though I remember hearing that … that it doesn’t have to be unanimous just a majority in FL (unlike in other states where it is required to be unanimous). Do you know if both aspects of the trial have to be unanimous or only the part when the jury decides which punishment she should get? I will go back and try to find where I initially heard it.
Okay … I see Blink’s response to myers above … please disregard previous post.
Thanks, Blink, for the info and link on the trademark application.
Say what? . . .
(snipped)
“Intent to Use: The applicant has a bona fide intention to use or use through the applicant’s related company or licensee the mark in commerce on or in connection with the identified goods and/or services”
Repeated 3 times in regards to stickers, t-shirts/underwear, and buttons.
(Blink’s link)
http://tdr.uspto.gov/jsp/DocumentViewPage.jsp?85322498/FTK20110520071350/TEAS%20Plus%20New%20Application/2/17-May-2011/sn/false#p=1
Amy Castelletti says:
May 23, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Hi Amy!
I don’t think any of us are going anywhere. IMHO, I think we are all feeling ‘reflective’. It’s who brought us together in the first place. It’s almost a surreal feeling to look back and see how far we’ve come @ BOC.
…..and at the same time….almost 3 years!?! Who is Casey Anthony to have all these privileges handed to her at tax payers expense?
It’s great to hear from you Amy. I hope to see more posts from you, friend! <3
Love and light to all, as always!
Thanks to Magpie @ the hinky for first hand accounts and tweets!
QUOTE:
MagpieFromHinky
Another day and we begin the trial. A credit to Eggtree News for coining the phrase “Just us for Caylee” since her family hasn’t been.
21 hours ago
UNQUOTE
http://twitter.com/#!/MagpieFromHinky
Blink re:trademark, i looked it up, very interesting, i don’t understand the 3 items listed, stickers, tshirts:underwear, and buttons – please explain if you can why internt’l class 025 lists tshirts and underwear?? typo? why does it say that?- if not typo what the h*ll? and if i get it right, they will have to show sale of said, in commerce, within so much time, in order to get/secure trademark, as i understand it, so maybe they will take turns outside the courthouse in their makeshift tent to sell Caylee out once again? come on, really – get a J.O.B., i heard about this but to see it is gross- who paid filing fees?