Casey/Caylee Anthony Murder Trial: Closing Arguments Bring New Confessions By Jose Baez And New Smirks By Jeff Ashton
Assistant State’s Attorney Jeff Ashton began the closing arguments with such scalpular precision my mind wandered briefly where I actually pictured him scrubbing in, just before entering court. In approximately 77 minutes, with 2 overruled objection by Jose Baez, Ashton tied up the one thing he is NOT required to present to the jury, Casey’s motive for murdering her toddler, setting the tone for his closing that presented more like an excerpt from a Grisham flick. I say let him play himself.
“..It’s easy to be a parent, sometimes.. It’s easy to be a parent, when your playing with your child, or when your enjoying your child, children are fun… But we all know that being a parent is much more than just playing with your children.. Being a parent is about sacrifice.. Your child becomes your life. This case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it, and the life that Casey Anthony wanted to have… “
Ashton went through the time line of 31 days including details from the elaborate lies Casey Anthony told to avoid detection from her Mother Cindy, her imaginary friend finder chip located in the unallocated sectors of her mind where her conscious should have been, and the fact there is only one reason to duct tape a small child: MURDER. Ashton reminded jurors that the defense theory is asking them to head down rabbitholes that defy reasonable thought. It makes one wonder if that was not exactly the source of inspiration behind Jose Baez Dr. Huntington pigs sans blankets experiment.
Cheshire Cat: By-the-bye, what became of the baby? I’d nearly forgotten to ask.
Alice: It turned into a pig.
The Cat: I thought it would.
Jose was spotted given jurors a parting gift over lunch, which was intercepted by deputies.
Doom and Gloom Loom for Camp Casey
On what is likely to be her day of reckoning, Ms. Anthony was less than thrilled to learn that 2 of the bullseye on her defense’s dart board were permanently removed, I reckon. George and Lee Anthony, the crux of the defense’s failed attempts to blame Casey Anthony’s selective post traumatic stress disorder, will not be allowed to be maligned further based on her allegations of sexual abuse.
As expected, Jose Baez began his closing arguments reminding jurors the defense is not required to “defend” at all. In short, his comments were structured around the trash being altered because it was allowed to dry, and that the state allowed jurors to pass around the velveeta pouch so they could help figure out “Who cut the cheese.” You read that correctly, he actually said that.
He also went on to express his concerns that the State painted his client as a slut, and by doing so, invoking their emotions which will be used to find her guilty, as opposed to actual evidence.
In what I will call flub #3 in less than 40 minutes, Jose Baez inadvertently tells jurors that Casey Anthony’s trunk for the usage ot transportation is not murder. HEH? I thought the defense was quite adamant the junk in the trunk is what stunk. I guess that’s now bunk, whoda’ thunk?
Jose Baez is currently continuing his contribution to the defense’s, and Cheney Mason is on as anchor to complete the allotted 4 hours.
Linda Drane Burdick has had 3 sustained objections and granted one move to strike already. I lost that bet dangit.
Flub #4 flies in, while I am editing. This lawyer just actually admitted Casey searched for chloroform based on Ricardo Morales’s image on his computer. OMG.
..” It should be natural for her to want to know what chloroform was if her boyfriend had the image on his myspace…” Jose Baez
Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick will complete the State’s rebuttal closing argument.
On an unrelated note, the jury has selected their preference for the order of question during the press conference scheduled following a verdict. It is as follows:
1. CNN 2. WFTV 3. St. Pete Times 4. Reuters 5. People 6. HLN 7. WDBO 8. NBC 9. MSNBC 10.WTSP 11.FOX 12.Orlando Magazine 13.Florida Sun 14.WKMG 15.Dateline 16.WTMY 17.Chathouse 18.CFN 13 19.WOFL 20.Tampa Tribune 21.In Session 22.Orlando Sentinel 23.Univision 24.AP 25.Discovery 26.ABC 27.EFE 28.CBS 29.WESH
If that is not a window to this jury, I don’t know what is.
To Be Continued, Active Blogroll on this thread through today’s session. On the day that Governor Scott signed his first death warrant for Manuel Valle, convicted of killing a Coral Gables police officer a few counties away, I would not hold out any hope that Ann Finnell’s motion for mistrial based on Federal Court’s ruling striking the death penalty in Florida, will be granted. Report Filed 3PM EST
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Riverpearl says: @ July 3, 2011 at 7:19 pm
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@ RiverPearl.
Found the 2 cases the HHJP mentioned in court today.
Both were cases where Death Penalty was overturned to LWOP on Thursday 6/30/2011
by the FL Supreme Court.
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20110630/APN/1106300860?Title=2-get-off-death-row-now-face-life-without-parole
and
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-06-30/story/florida-supreme-court-overturns-jacksonville-killers-death-sentence
Liam says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Can you say for sure Ms Casey Anthony intentionally killed her daughter Caylee? I think not. Her behaviour suggests she committed a crime, no doubt about that but I genuinely believe she made a big problem into a monstrosity.
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Well I would just have to say that 3 pieces of duct tape did not get over her mouth and nose by accident. Nor did little Caylee put the duct tape on her own mouth. The duct tape SCREAMS intention. This was no accident.
It is only the lies that turned this into the monstrosity it has become.
Who on earth would sit on trial for murder fighting for their life for an accidental death?
C’mon now climb up out of that rabbithole.
I fear there maybe an empty bottle taken from the image.
tisk tisk.
It’s going to be ok folks.
B
How?
What exactly were you affected by making you think that, as it relates to a charged jury?
B
B, previously I thought JB stumbled around due to his inexperience but when given some time to speak uninterrupted he actually did pretty well. I think there is some reasonable doubt. Personally, do I feel she did it intentially or accidentally? Yes, I do. But I think He has established reasonable doubt. Premeditation… really hard to discern that and I believe the the “chloroform” search may have been exactly as he described. Simple fact, If I were one of the jurors, given the evidence and the people who knew her the most refusing to tell the truth REPEATEDLY, I would find it hard to convict her to a charge that would lead to a death penalty.
KP respectfully, I was holding you to a standard as a “trier of fact”. In which case, had you been a juror, you would not be able to back up your argument, I say respectfully.
B
I bet that Casey is not sleeping well tonight.
She knows that tomorrow in court all she has to look forward to are Linda Drane-Burdick and Jeff Ashton hitting her hard.
They have waited for this day for 3 years – Casey can only imagine how bad it’s going to be.
She’ll be begging and crying to her attorney’s to make it stop – no Lyons there to bury into the shoulder off and hide, so I guess Dot Sims will be the unlucky one to be sitting next to her and will take the brunt of Casey’s melt-down.
I’m very happy that Judge Perry let the jury go and rest tonight.
The State still has something like 2 and a half hours left on their clock to talk. (Mr Ashton only used 77 minutes this morning)
If LDB had needed to give her rebuttal late today – the jury would have missed a lot I’m afraid.
They had to be on system overload by 6:30 pm this evening when Baez/Mason finally shut-up.
All fresh tomorrow.
It’s gonna be a very ugly day for Casey tomorrow.
Her “boys” are finished – she has to sit there and listen to the State expose her lies and murder.
M Harris says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Thanks Sammy. Forgot the purpose of BP meds. NEW QUESTION – Why didn’t Kronk receive the $255,000 reward?
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I think I am remembering this correctly, but I believe it had something to do with him calling 911 and not the crimeline number or the tipline number or… It is also my understanding that Mr. Nejame gave him some money after he determined that Mr. Kronk was genuine because he felt that he should have gotten the reward.
M Harris and c10,
The $225K reward was for information leading to the safe return of Caylee Anthony.
In addition, I do not know that I could confirm the authenticity of that reward in the first place.
Mr. Benevides has had some problems.
B
CA lied on the stand saying she made those computer searches NOT for the heck of it, but because she was covering for her daughter.
Call me crazy, but committing perjury and attempting to thrwart the truth and mislead the court points to mom thinking her daughter is GUILTY.
I have reasonable doubt that Jose Baez can pull an acquittal rabbit out of his hat. His delivery might have been stellar had he anything to work with. I thought the content of his presentation today was just “froth and bubble” without substance. All the emoting, yelling, throwing himself heart and soul into the act doesn’t amount to a hill of beans (as JP said). All form and no substance is an exercise in futility.
After reading through Casey’s ex-aunt discussing the night of June 15 and the resulting fight between Cindy and Casey, I couldn’t help wonder if it was the catalyst for what Casey had been mulling over (killing Caylee) for about two months. I think she did hate her mother more than she cared for her daughter. She declared herself a “spiteful bitch” to Lee, but I believe that was a gross understatement of her capacity for vengeance and spite. Evil.
M Harris says: @ July 3, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I think what happened with the reward money and Mr Kronk was that:
Leonard Padilla had been the one to offer the $250.000 – but then he refused to pay the reward saying that it was only for an “Alive Caylee”.
Just shows that with someone like Padilla you always should read the small print. lol
Poor Kronk was ripped off and had his name dragged thru the mud for years now.
Mark NeJame ended up paying Kronk a reward out of his pocket – b/c he felt that was the right thing to do and he’s a good guy.
He still calls for (dares) Leonard Padilla to man-up and do the same – but Padilla will never pay a dime. MOO
BTW-
Good to see you over here.
I had to take a break from Kyron’s case.
Just so heartbreaking and it is so frustrating b/c there is just ZERO info coming out from any of LE about anything.
It’s hard to re-work the same name variations/businesses over and over again when LE is so tight lipped about the case.
I’ve never seen anything like the silence of that case.
Not just from LE, but no one is talking.
Where is the media on that one?
They should send some of the Florida Sunshine Laws up to Oregon – that would surely open up some doors. lol
Well crap – I’m a day late and a dollar short this evening.
Sorry folks that I keep answering questions that someone else just answered.
By the time I type something out and hit the submit button – another member has already got the answer covered.
I am refreshing and looking – you all are just so fast and on top of everything!
Sorry for redundant info from me.
B, respectfully, if I were a juror (which I am not, nor would like to be in this case) you would be able to hold me to a standard as a “trier of fact”. And I in fact I would be able to back up my argument as a member of the jury and am entitled to do so as a member of the jury and having found my own opinion as to the presentation of the evidence. Surely you can not disagree with this and as I mentioned previously as NOT being part of the jury I think reasonable doubt has been presented. HOWEVER, I personally believe Casey Anthony committed either a premeditated or accidental act of homicide.
Then back it up, respectfully, this is what I am asking you to do. As a trier of fact, that is your obligation, hypothetically, in this case, of course.
B
I think what Baez did today was remind the jury that there is nothing that proves Casey murdered Caylee. What you or I think Casey did doesn’t matter…it’s the state’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony not only killed her child but planned it.
There is no cause of death, there is no DNA and I happen to agree with Baez on the qualitative vs quantitative analyses on the various chemical’s and gasses that were tested. Why weren’t quantitative tests done? They should have been… unless of course there is no quantitative testing out there which would make me wonder about the integrity of testing from the beginning.
He also scored points with the various people that were in the car when little Caylee was decomposing in the trunk…why didn’t they smell anything? I know that the rate of decomposition and all the process associated with that are more exasperated as time goes by, but this was summertime in Florida and I would think somebody would be able to smell something sitting in the back seat of that car after 5 days.
Do I think the DT showed enough reasonable doubt that will allow Casey to walk? No I do not; I do however think they may have saved her from the death penalty. I think Mr. Ashton’s antic’s probably helped the defense more than anyone may realize and I really hate that he could not or would not control his emotions.
As powerful as I thought his opening was, his display in court negated that for me and reminded me that the antics of lawyers was one of the main reasons that jurors gave when they were asked why they found Mel Ignato innocent of murder here in KY, I was reminded too that juries really don’t like it when attorney’s seem to have personal vendetta’s between them.
I hope this winds up tomorrow, I pray for justice for Caylee, I will also pray that God helps me to try and understand these people…this… “family”, and for Him to help me with the attitude I have toward them.
Sammy, thanks for those links to the Scott case. I searched for Baylor but found nada. Maybe you can do better!
Listening to JB was a painful experience. I saw JA laugh, and I think it was a laugh of disbelief. I loved it when JB said, “The truth stops here.” That statement was so telling. That court room was absolutely scary with lies. Did JB really say “Don’t discriminate against Casey” over and over? I’m on the edge of my seat until tomorrow.
I really loved this article.
I am telling anyone who will listen, and it turns my stomach to watch it happen with no repercussion, but this my friends, is how you get away with murder…
OJ is a poor example of how to get away with murder, as I have always believed his celebrity had more to do with his acquittal than any other single thing.
But this case has every role perfectly cast. Like scary perfect. Starting with Baez. A qualified attorney pleads out. In fact, if we are to believe ICA, George is the best liar of them all. And him cast in the role of co-conspirator, is perfect. He was absolutely smitten with Caylee. Blame him, no one will believe it. Baez and George will go toe to toe, for show of course. Accuse George of heinous acts with ICA. The real truth will NEVER have to be told, and this will remain, a private family matter….and did I mention, they’ll never have to actually work another day in their lives…
That being said, I wonder if ICA, or any of the Ants realize that ICA is safer in jail, than walking the streets of Florida if she is set free…?
B, why as “trier of fact” (in normal talk, “juror”) would I have not been able to back up my argument? The jury alone is charged with discerning the truth of the evidence presented. Just saying…
Yes KP, this is exactly what I am giving you the opportunity to do. Hypothetically, as if you were charged, because you allege you have formed that “finding”, I would like to know under those parameters, how you got there.
B
Blink,
The DT was the one to show the Caylee at the sliding glass door again today? Well by doing this after talking about pets so much makes one now think that the door was cracked enough so the Anthony small dogs had an escape route from Caylee to the back porch?
@ sammy you are not being redundant the answers have all been different lol.
@Slowroller…I hear you and couldn’t agree more. I keep getting hung up on things that maybe other people don’t see…for me with this trial it’s the question Baez raises about quantative vs qualatative testing. It’s a valid question…why didn’t they do quantatative testing?? Something to hide?? Personally I don’t think so, but to a jury they have to question that.
(side note: for the Ojay trial…for me….resonable doubt was established when the found EDTA in the sample they used for DNA testing…what can I say, I’m a lab rat)
Cbickel says: He also scored points with the various people that were in the car when little Caylee was decomposing in the trunk…why didn’t they smell anything? I know that the rate of decomposition and all the process associated with that are more exasperated as time goes by, but this was summertime in Florida and I would think somebody would be able to smell something sitting in the back seat of that car after 5 days.
I wanted to make a suggestion as to what you said regarding decomposition. If I recall correctly, wasn’t Caylee’s little body buried in the back yard first? This is why the beginning stage (bugs) of decomposition were not present in the car. The bugs in the car were from a later stage of decomposition. Casey moved the little body; because, she knew her parents were going to do yard renovations. This was explained earlier in the trial.
The other point you made regarding how this baby died is not necessary for the prosecution to prove. They only need to prove who did it.
I say this respectfully. I’m hoping to understand all of this better.
B, I can only be an armchair juror as I have not seen every moment of this trial. However, I have seen much of it and most of the defense and have read much of the “online” evidence available. Foremost, as a juror I would reject most or all testimony from the family as they have all proven to be liars. That being said, I find reasonable doubt as to the method and occurance of Caylee’s death. How I got there would be as follows: “I have not been shown sufficient evidence that this person premeditated the death of Caylee Marie Anthony, however, I do believe that this little girl died at her (Casie Anthony’s) hands at some point either intentially or accidentally. And I find her guilty to the fullest extent of the law as charged under those circumstances and that is all I need to explain as a juror or ever explain. Got it?
KP, I am trying to establish the legal standard based on your opinion as stated, so thanks for being a good sport.
You could not form an opinion as you have not seen all the evidence, and you have not been charged or given the legal standard basis to “try the facts”. I am using you as my virtual demonstrative aid to show forming opinions as to guilt or innocense have a guideline.
B
… since when does a juror have to prove their reasoning?
That darn duct tape just bugs me. In a deliberate act, the culprit would be more likely, IMO, to have removed it.
Any which way, two more criminals – the elder Anthonys – are getting off scott free. That’s not justice.
Thank God there’s a higher power who will take care of them in the end.
I have always believed Casey would be found guilty of second degree murder. I just don’t believe that she will be considered for the death penalty even if the facts were absolute.
Wow! All of you have been busy. Went to a family BBQ for four hours and found almost a hundred new posts when I returned.
Peggy
In your question about the chloroform, Jeff Ashton covered that in his opening portion of the States closing argument. Review back to where he was speaking of how it took three strips of duct tape to totaly close off the airways of little Caylee. He included the use of the Chloroform at that point.
Graceinthehills
I thought Cheney Mason was trying to tell the jury that this was his goodby to them and the practice of law. Then he proceeded to spend another twenty minutes going over the same ground as judge perry will cover when he charges the jury.
I’ll give Mr. Baez a B grade for the first part of his presentation and a D for the last part. Average to a C overall. The last part is where he went after all the forensics and the personalities associated with them. I don’t know if this is simply playing a game or if he hoped to sway the jury?
Blink I struggled threw those two cases. Phew.. Both had received the death penality and both where over turned on appeal. to LWOP. Most of the evidence in this case is cricumstantial because they only had bones and someone or both of them got rid of everything that was evidence in the house. They have a hair, evidence of decomp, by smell and new science, bones and tape, high and low levels of cholorform, dump site information about time of placement and 31 days. I wish I had paid more attention to the Peterson case I think they must have had less information in his case.
Lee and State impeached Cindy, Hollaway/ Cruz and others impeached George. Lee was a defense wittness. Maybe that was the plan to prove everyone a liar. I always thought they all knew Caylee was dead. I think the State always knew all their lies but in the end SA tried to save George. This has been very interesting for me and confusing at the same time.
I am back to reading I suppose, lol. I may have to hit it up in the am, new. Thanks
B
At the same time I believe Casey is guilty as sin. It is up to the jury to decide. If possible I believe JB would throw the world under the bus if he could. He tried his best.
Cbickel-Barry Scheck was critical!!!
What is infuriating, is all four Ants know exactly what happened to Caylee, yet we have to go through this charade?!? And to hear Baez have the sack to call people liars, and that George has had ample opportunity to tell the truth….W T F?????(that was 75 font BTW)
Beyond frustrated in CA!!!
@PAmom…Mr. Ashton said today that Casey drove around with Caylee’s body in the trunk for a couple of days after she killed her and after awhile she knew she had to do something else. (He was alluding to the smell of decomposition, as you know he can’t have it both ways. I will try and find a YouTube link to it if you’d like as I’m sure there will be one up soon.
It goes back to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. What my “heart” knows and what has been proven do not jive as far as I’m concerned and I’m very worried.
I agree with those that think George and Cindy are getting off scot free, then I look at my granddaughter who will be 3 soon, and I realize they will have to pay for this for the rest of their lives. I seriously pray every nite for God to help me with how I feel about these people.
New-I literally live about 3/4 of a mile from Scott Peterson. Well, his old home, not SQ.
The physical evidence is similar, but it stops there. He was admittedly the last to see Laci. He was seen at/near the dump site. His motive was “clearer”, since he had a mistress. He was not surrounded by lying enablers, nor was he a pathological liar himself, therefore he wasn’t very good at it. I could go on, but I don’t want to derail us…it was a wild scene here though for a few months…
Sammy says:
July 3, 2011 at 10:17 pm
LP did put up the $250,000 reward for an alive Caylee. It’s nauseating beyond belief because, imho, he knew shortly after bonding egg donor out (thank you to Valhall for coining the phrase) that Caylee was no longer alive. It’s after this LP starts becoming irrational and inconsistent with his opinions (blogging and stealing from forums like Blink’s and Valhall’s gave him ‘intelligent’ information that made him appear he knew what he was talking about). PPPPFFFFTTT!!!!!!
He is a schmuck and a fame ho. May his daisy chain….ahhhh… never mind. I won’t go there.
Wasn’t following the case online– used the TV for a change as the day was so long. Good point about the chloroform Myspace page, Blink. I wondered at the time, why one would need to follow up that topic from Ricardo’s picture, as “HOW TO MAKE…” rather than general definition of what it is.
Looking forward to Ms. LDB tomorrow, separated from today is a good thing– a very good thing. She has a couple hours plus, will be interesting to know how she designs this, and what she will approach from Baez’s themes and ‘points’ today.
…and may I add…outstanding post Blinkers! I am in awe of the opinions and observations (no surprise) posted throughout the trial and prior processes.
Salt of the earth. (((((GROUP HUGS))))))
Also, welcome to all the new posters who’ve come out of lurking or are new the BOC. Y’all are an awesome addition….WELCOME
Wow, Cbickel, this time you’ve taken my breath away. Slowroller, I totally agree with you that all four Ants knew. All charlatans and liars for life and to the core, they wouldn’t know why the truth matters if it hit them in the face. And if they saw that truth mattered, they wouldn’t care. B/c it’s all about them and that’s what matters to them. Full out sociopaths. Baez knows this is the case that will make him. For them all it’s about what they can get out of it-for them, b/c after all, all that matters is them. Caylee got inconvenient(whether she died accidentally or intentionally), her death got in their way and threatened their convenience and ‘truth’ of who they think they are, threatened their lies etc…. Since she didn’t ‘matter’-b/c they are what matters, she got lost along the way. Beyond tragic, beyond evil. IMOO.
Even if Caylee died by an accidental OD or whatever, KC from everything we know, didn’t stop for a single minute, a single solitary thought, a single headache, stomachache WHATEVER, and pause for this baby. not once til LE walked her down that hallway at Universal! The grandparents in ALL 31 days, the ones that supposedly ‘adored’ this child, never, ever knew “Nanny’s” phone number? Did THEY know “Nanny’s” real name? No. After 2 years? Never insisted in that long, excuse filled month to speak to their granddaughter on the phone “at/with Nanny’s or wherever”, even just to say hi, I love you, I miss you, it’s lonely here w/out you Precious Girl? No frigging way. IMO.
And the 3, or 4, or 5, including Baez, Academy Awards go to………
Problem is: most people are too fundamentally good to even conceive of this sort of evil and complicity, and are taking sides either with GA, CA, LA, or KC simply making another ‘mistake’. JMArrogantOO. I’m sorry I’m so sickened by this I can’t stand it. I don’t think pre med has been at all established and this may not go well.
Am staying ‘on my knees’ the rest of the night…….
A Texas Grandfather says:
July 3, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Wow! All of you have been busy. Went to a family BBQ for four hours and found almost a hundred new posts when I returned.
Thanks for the reply- I figured out what I had said-thanks.
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You & me both! I was even good and looked up the Ballard case- too late
To Cbickel says:
Yes, I realize you are right. I wonder why that was done. They had proved that her body was in the backyard. I wonder why Ashton didn’t include this. I must have known this from reading for so long. I can only hope that this will be cleared up tomorrow. I will also pray.
Is the mean age of the jury 50 years old?
WriterInTheRain says:
July 3, 2011 at 10:16 pm
I have reasonable doubt that Jose Baez can pull an acquittal rabbit out of his hat. . . .
After reading through Casey’s ex-aunt discussing the night of June 15 and the resulting fight between Cindy and Casey, I couldn’t help wonder if it was the catalyst for what Casey had been mulling over . .
Writer – I totally agree w/ what you’ve said and my theory goes a little farther: IMO IMO MY OPINION ONLY if you read KC’s emails/texts to various people during the weeks leading up to the 15th, MY GUESS is that when Cindy would get mad at George, she would attempt to throw him out and say something like “I’m going to rent a condo for myself” leaving KC thinking she was really going to live in the house without them. The weekend of the 15th I think culminated in her realizing that would not happen. Read about her phone call to Jesse on the 16th – probably just a few hours before Caylee was killed – Jesse says KC sounded weird and said that Cindy was staying in the house. I do think KC just killed Caylee for spite. Yes evil.
This is depressing – every one on here tonight who is saying they see reasonable doubt is basing their opinions on lies told by Baez.
Folks in KC’s car during week of 15th: lie (it was the 4th)
Big reward for Kronk: lie, been discussed
Caylee could open the heavy glass door: lie
Cindy found ladder up June 16th: lie (it was following week)
… this just makes me mad. I thought that Baez & Mason were just going after CONFUSE AND BAFFLE today as a strategy but I am dismayed that they could lie their way enough to shake some folks.
Praying for tomorrow…today actually, it’s morning now west coast.
JMO- I believe Casey was drugging Caylee so she could party. I have always thought that she didn’t mean for her to die. But if you are drugging your child, that is a chance you are taking every time. Therefore, it would still be first degree murder. I think the duct tape was her “back up” in case Caylee woke up, she couldn’t scream. As Dr. Garavaglia said, there should never be duct tape on the face of a child, period. I guess I’m posting this because some in my family want more evidence. We actually had a heated exchange at our family cookout yesterday over it. You would have thought Jeff Ashton was there. Me playing that part of course. Another arguement too, is that thetre may have been more forensic evidence gathered from maggots and such if the police had been looking for a dead Caylee as opposed to a missing one.
As guilty as Casey is I can’t quite figure how she left little trace anywhere of it. Yes the computer searches ect..(I do believe she is guilty) but how is there almost no hairs ect..so mind boggling…that is why I tend to think 1 juror could think ..nah for me not enough…she had to have help or something along those lines ..like they may think the pros. for them did not fully explain or show proof…I hope not but…..if the jury truly knew nothing going in..nothing……and this was all they got…………..a lot of people I talk to who have not really followed this say similar.
Every time that I see the photos of little Caylee climbing the pool steps, I get ill. How dare this so-called grandmother, Cindy, give Baez these photos in order to try to sell the jury on the theory of an accidental drowning. Cindy is trying to blame this precious child for her own demise. How sick is that?
In reading the comments here and in listening to the closing by the defense, I have a few questions and observations:
Jose Baez, in his closing, seemed to concede that Caylee was in the trunk. He said the use of Casey Anthony’s trunk for the usage of transportation is not murder. He also talked about lesser charges like the wrongful disposal of the body were more appropriate. This contradicts the theories of Kronk/George disposal of Caylee, and is he not also conceding here as well to the “fantasy forensics?”
Jose Baez also conceded in his closing that she looked for cholorform when he said, “It should be natural for her to want to know what chloroform was if her boyfriend had the image on his Myspace page.” Doesn’t this also mean that he is conceding to the searches of “self defense” and “household weapons”, “neck breaking and shovel”, as well as “making weapons out of household products,” “chloroformhabit,” “how to make chloroform,” and “chloro2?”
Jose Baez stated that Casey made the many calls to her mom on June 16 because Caylee was dead…I cannot understand then how/when it works with the defense theory that George assisted Casey after the fact? These calls were made in the afternoon AFTER George went to work. The timing of the calls seems off to me if Caylee drowned while at home the MORNING of June 16.
Yay Jeff Ashton!
There is no evidence to suggest Casey Anthony put duct tape on her daughter while she was alive or indeed that the duct tape caused death. There is no evidence to suggest Casey Anthony ever had Chloroform or made it or gave it to her daughter. There is no evidence Chloroform caused death.
Casey Anthony has proven to be a compulsive liar and is responsible for the death of her daughter of that I have no doubt. Intentionally has not been proven. Aggravated manslaughter is the correct verdict in my opinion, yet there is no evidence or theory to support this charge.
Once we go to verdict, I will address this at length
B
Morning Blink and all
Happy Independence Day- and it is Independence day for everyone. Whether or not you reside in the good ole USA or elsewhere. Today is Independence day-
At the end of Today, The case will be handed over to The Jury for deliberations.
At the end of today, all that is left for the defense and the State to do is wait for the jurors verdict.
All that is left for us to do is wait-
We are free to go about our lives again as we wait. Free to finally clear our computers of all the links ect that we have accumulated following this case.
Happy Independence day.
Today the jury deliberates- soon we will find out if caseys plan worked.
From day 31- before day 31, casey covered her dirty deeds with lies.
During the 31 days she told lie after lie to everyone and anyone- changing lies- each were told differently depending upon who she was trying to snow. The theme? Caylee is fine, and if you dont believe that lie, well whatever may have happened to her, it is not my fault.
Casey Anthony on July 15th told her mother lies, she told her brother lies, her father lies , LE lies. She told us all lies.
She claimed her daughter had called her that day and that she talked about her shoes and her book…- Shoes? How could she have possibly even have known the importance of Caylees shoes?…George took her away- and dressed her in ill fitting shorts and the big trouble shirt…Casey had nothing to do with it, and doesnt know what happened to her baby …
Casey lies continued- She stood with JB and claimed her innocence each time, she wore a Caylee is missing shirt she lied, each time she wore a button for Caylee she lied.
Each day she stayed in jail she lied, each day in court she lied- ever changing lies, pointing the finger at anyone but herself-
Some say JB and Casey have created reasonable doubt- I guess because she has a few pictures of Caylee enjoying the pool, and one with alittle girl, Caylee, standing in front of a patio door… it supplies reasonable doubt… Her lies have been refined for a ever widening audience, for the jury.
It was an accident that snow balled out of control, my dad duped me, LE is out to get me, my family is dysfunctional, I am a victim, everyone wants to profit, Caylee liked the pool and decided to enjoy it…-
Did Caseys plan work- Have the lies obscured the truth?
If so, then she has succeeded in supplying every would be killer a blueprint for the perfect murder-
Be sure to kill the person, and go about your life as if it is New years eve everyday, be sure to lie and tell different lies – never sticking to one story. Be sure to dispose of the body in a good spot where the elements will do away with any and all DNA evidence ect- make sure it is in an area that is well traveled and is open to dumping and animals.
Deny everything- then when faced with overwhelming evidence of your guilt- claim LE coverup and accident and an everwidening conspiracy- and be sure to claim you lie only because you are the victim- and have learned it from your parents and abusers…
Be sure you have pictures of your victim doing what ever they Did to die… if you claim it was a fishing/hunting accident… Be sure to have pictures of them once enjoying these activities or have their licenses displayed for the jury……. If you claim they accidentally got run over…be sure to have pics of them standing near a car, or at a race track, or even on a childhood “play” car- perhaps show their drivers license to prove your case-
Confuse them all with lies supply reasonable doubt.
Snow them with the ultimate get out of ail free card…
“it was an accident that snowballed out of control.”
Yeah thats the ticket
AJMO
Ragdoll thanks for the links.
@37.Angela_nw says:
July 4, 2011 at 3:23 am
I’m not basing mine on one of Baez’s lies, I heard the question asked in court about the testing and I heard the doctor on the stand say he did not do a quantitative anaylis…I believe he even mentioned something about standard not being done as well. At any rate it bothered me when I heard the testimony and it still bothers me to this day.
Please don’t think I think Casey is innocent, I do not…my point is the state had a circumstancial case and I just hope they were able to tie it all up in a neat bow for the jury because if I was on that jury I’m afraid I’d have a problem.
Cbickel says: @ July 3, 2011 at 10:23 pm
He also scored points with the various people that were in the car when little Caylee was decomposing in the trunk…why didn’t they smell anything? I know that the rate of decomposition and all the process associated with that are more exasperated as time goes by, but this was summertime in Florida and I would think somebody would be able to smell something sitting in the back seat of that car after 5 days.
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Just one thought about this point made by CBickel.
I hope someone else can help fill in the blanks, but I think this is a part of the defense story where Baez got his dates mixed up and the State later corrected him – but the confusion is still laying there.
I know I’ve seen this discussed multiple places, but I don’t have all the info off the top of my head.
I’ll research and post later – if no one else chimes in with further info.
About the claims that other people were in Casey’s car and didn’t smell anything.
The occasion that Baez claimed that 4 of them were in KC’s car with 2 people in the back seat – that was NOT after Caylee’s death.
That was the week or 2 before.
No one was in Casey’s car after Caylee died.
Baez messed up that date in his statements and the State did mention his error.
There was nothing in the trunk to cause an odor at the time those other young people were riding around in the back seat.
You’re definitely right that a deceased body in a trunk in June in Florida would rapidly begin to have an odor.
That’s why Casey didn’t let anyone near her car after Caylee’s death. MOO
The other time someone came close to the car – was when she was surprised to see George at the house and she panicked and she scrambled to get to the trunk, throw the gas cans at George angrily, and slam the trunk door shut.
Ragdoll? Riverpearl? Kleat? Anyone else remember this date mix up in this way … and can help me out with dates??
Maybe I have it all mixed up … I’ll research more after trial today and try to find the dates of KC friends in back seat being before Caylee’s death.
It was said by Maria Kisch, she was unsure of the date, and it was learned to be in early June, prior to Caylee’s death.
B
Once again Jose Baez is making faces & expressions at the defense table while Ashton is at the podium. This went on constantly during the trial. But guess that goes unnoticed.
ASHTON CAN MAKE FACES BUT BAEZ CAN AND GETS AWAY WITH IT. I AM STARTING TO FEEL A SICKENING FEELING THAT CASEY MIGHT GET AWAY WITH THIS. BUT ON THIS IMPORTANT DATE OF JULY 4TH I AM PRAYING THAT THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE.
No yelling please.
I am issuing a Chillax alert to all of you that need one. So far, the prosecutions rebuttal close is nothing short of exemplary.
B
Sammy-
Thank You
I read so many cases my eyes were crossed.
I will read your two you provide.
By the time JP mentioned them he had said due to the lateness of the hour everyone was tired and DT was talking over/scrambling to write cases down …
[Did one case you find involved duct tape??]
Thanks again for locating the 2-cases.
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@Sammy says:
July 3, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Riverpearl says: @ July 3, 2011 at 7:19 pm
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@ RiverPearl.
Found the 2 cases the HHJP mentioned in court today.
Both were cases where Death Penalty was overturned to LWOP on Thursday 6/30/2011
by the FL Supreme Court.
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20110630/APN/1106300860?Title=2-get-off-death-row-now-face-life-without-parole
and
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-06-30/story/florida-supreme-court-overturns-jacksonville-killers-death-sentence
Thank you Blink and you are correct. I am now chilling…