Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island

Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.

 

Update 1:  As referenced on KOIN,  a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair.  Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing.  The possible “hair” was sent for testing.

Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm  whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.

Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman,  Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.

It is also the former home of a man considered to be  Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results.  Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.

Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.

David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle  and is being cared for by a friend of the family.  Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.

Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.

 

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  1. erose says:

    Erin-Todd Hansen on Linked-In (link won’t post) was an IT guy for OHSU for a few years which is the same place Goldfarb implemented the university health system, though not the same time frame. Erin-Todd Hansen is related to David and Christina Hansen who attached their names to the obit Ode posted along with Logan Storm. I think Logan Storm could have ties to that house on NW Plainview Rd.

    His girlfriend was Amy Anderton, according to this article. I wonder who his roommate was.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/09/child_pornography_trial_starts_for_former_beaverton_middle_school_teacher_logan_storm.html

  2. erose says:

    To recap what I have learned about the 11 residents at 11233 NW Plainview Dr.:

    Joe Storm (1) is married to Allegra Storm (2) aka Allegra Flores (3)
    His parents are Terry (4) and Sally Storm (5)
    Her parents are Tim Goldfarb (6) and Laura Flores Goldfarb (7)
    Presumed children of Tim and Laura are Tovah Goldfarb 8) and Moriah Goldfarb (9)

    L Storm (10) possibly Logan Storm

    Jack T Major (11) child molester from Florida whose current known address in Hillsboro Oregon

  3. erose says:

    correction: Tovah Goldfarb #8

  4. erose says:

    This is the sister to Terry Storm and they have a brother Tom. If Logan Storm is directly related, he would most likely be the son of either Terry or Tom, brother or cousin of Joe.

    http://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?pid=150950585#fbLoggedOut

  5. MockingbirdSings says:

    Rose says:
    September 4, 2012 at 2:57 am
    (snipped)

    Imo retaining/holding onto your job in a field where you have a work
    history and experience after your marriage &/or children, and
    with family or hired supports is one thing.
    Getting one’s first job in a new field, when never previously employed in the
    field & at an older age, married, with 2-3 children, and full-time house & yard care,
    while unable to hire sitters or nannies to go interview much less work,
    is another kettle of fish entirely, says this voice of experience. Many a professional
    degree shipwrecks for older women who’ve never had a job in the field on husband,
    housework, & children– with supportive husbands. We don’t go kill our adoptive, step or natural children
    in anger and probably a majority live within the marriage.

    (Blink says)
    As a woman who took post grad courses this Summer with the kiddies under tow, and having to hire a West coast proctor for exams so I could take them past midnight just for some uniterrupted quiet or because that was my available study time due to the subject matter I would have up on the big screen in my office, that is a very real scenario. In my former professional life, I negotiated consulting contracts with boundaries on travel and leave time, as well as working from home, because I had to transport the children daily due to Dad’s work schedule for the most part. There is no question I did not qualify for many contracts because of it, but I needed the flexibility and was not going to be dishonest and most of my clients were a minimum of an hour commute at the closest.

    Not complaining, as many people do not have such options and ramping back up is very difficult.

    B
    ————————————

    @Rose and Blink – I do not wish to be argumentative, so I will “rest my case” after this. I have NO doubt you have both worked hard. I appreciate your views about age, experience, employment, and dedication to family. That said, I can’t buy that Terri couldn’t find a job because of her age, experience and education levels, couldn’t go to interviews due to child care issues, her disagreeable husband, etc. This woman needed some good career counseling and she could have gotten it free from Pacific University and other places. Her profile on LinkedIn is pitiful, IMO, and the education information she apparently had on FB wasn’t presented well. (I copied those if you want to see again, but I think it’s been posted at least a few times.)

    One of the best ways to get a job in education if you have the credentials is through substituting. You can sign up for several districts and end up with a variety of recommendations from the contacts you make. She wasn’t just in and out in a day of subbing – she had 2 longer term assignments where administrators could get to know her work. She should have presented a strong application to a human resources department, but she apparently didn’t. And she could have continued as a sub. Once people know you and ask for you, it can be very regular work and you learn where the openings are coming up. Often, in tight budget times it is harder for the experienced teachers to be hired because they cost the district more when years of experience are credited on the pay scale.

    Consider her history from the point of view of a career counselor – to me, her career aspirations seem like wishful thinking rather than a strong personal effort with a sense of direction toward her goal. We can guess she didn’t get great recommendations from the teacher whose materials she tossed, or the teacher who offered her living space and then had some of her possessions moved into the rain – these things seem small, but they add up.

    Information from OREGONIAN ARTICLE Aug. 19, 2010, combined with other articles, her LinkedIn profile, FB, and additional research (I posted this at least a year ago, but it helped me to see it again):

    June 1988 HS grad (track and discus throwing, with dad involved)
    Nov 1991 married Ron Tarver Jr. Ran storage facility, unsuccessful Chubby’s
    Jan 1994 James born
    Nov 1995 divorce from Tarver then McDonald’s management school
    ———————————————-
    Aug 1996 married Richard Ecker – moved to Springfield
    Mar 1998 car accident, followed by year of migraines and going to school
    Aug 1998 Ecker adopted James (Tarver having financial problems, said OK)
    2000 graduated from NW Christian University with Bachelor’s in Elem Ed and got basic teaching license
    ————————————————-
    Feb 2001 moved to Beaverton, bought house with parents’ help
    Mar 2001 got substitute teaching job in Hillsboro
    Sept 2001 – June 2002 sub work – Hillsboro
    Jan 2002 divorced Ecker, moved in with a teacher colleague (also with James) Ecker pays child support
    —————————————————
    Spring 2002 James is 8 years old, Terri begins spending many hours a day at gym
    June 2002 met Kaine “in a restaurant”, began dating
    Aug 2002 Desiree files for divorce
    Sept 9 ‘02 Kyron born
    —————————————————-
    mid-Dec ‘02 Terri and James move in with Kaine in Aloha
    2003 got Master’s in Education – still had basic tchg license (standard license requires teaching experience)
    2003- ‘06 on call sub for Hillsboro
    Jan 2005 – April ‘05 going to gym – serious training, wt loss, sleep issues, anger problems, drinking to get to sleep (she said to Kaine after DUI diversion program, Kaine said) Bodybuilding competition April 29-30
    ——————————————————
    July ‘05 DUI with James in car (child endangerment or reckless endangerment charge)
    Dec ‘05 – Aug ‘06 on 12 month probation, worked at Red Robin
    —————————————————-
    Jan 2007 moved to NW Portland with Kaine
    March ‘07 let teaching license lapse (renews by birthdate, basic is 3 years)
    April 2007 married Kaine, got new Mustang, worked at Washington Sq. Newport Bay as assistant mgr
    —————————————————
    Nov 2008 Kiara born – moody (Kaine said) angry with James and Kyron, and later baby’s sleep patterns, collecting unemployment
    2009 some changes in relationships, some drinking, complaining to friends re Kaine controlling the money, he worries about her spending, she hired landscaper (James’ job was mow lawn), MFH plan alleged
    Feb 2010 renewed teaching license by submitting World Literature coursework in lieu of experience – may have taken classes day, evening, or online. Also arranged for James to move in with her parents, has affair with LS
    ——————————–

    notes:
    There’s enough time around 2002 and 2003 (when Terri and James moved in with Kaine) to do a 5th year Masters in Teaching program, but the Reading Specialist endorsement should have been in addition to her basic work, as would anything related to Special Education endorsement. She would have been going to classes, studying, doing sub work (she was on call until 2006), taking care of James and Kyron when he was there, and probably continuing to go to a gym. Later on, with James and Kyron gone to visit other parents some of the time and Kaine able to work from home or vary his hours, she wasn’t just stuck to the kitchen sink and yard work.

    She was allowed to list volunteer hours in lieu of coursework to renew her certificate, but it doesn’t appear she did. You have to have administrative verification of volunteer hours if you submit them for a renewal. A resume can say anything until someone wants to verify your hours.

    Bodybuilding – Kaine said in one interview that doing it again was her idea and he encouraged her because she wanted to do it. It may have had more to do with moving past age 40 than any particular benefits, but who knows.

    Blink probably summed it up best here:

    “I dunno, as a woman with her teaching masters, I am not seeing her posting with glee that her own son went from D’s to A’s once he moved to her parents if it was a battle between the two of them.”
    B

  6. January says:

    Comprehensive timeline of the first month Kyron went missing.. Names, agencies involved, dates, quotes etc.

    http://docs.com/11M4

  7. January says:

    I found the above Timeline while messing around online. The way it reads I thought it might have been written by a reporter (notes, etc.)but found it to be created by Hans Knecht, a Software Engineer at Huron Consulting. He lives in Portland; neither Terri or Kaine are friends with him on Facebook.

  8. kimberly says:

    Oy vey!

    too many things happening at once when typing yesterday.
    Meant to say, “seeing”, not sensing,
    as in how long and when were they married? I havent’ found anything yet, but i did run across some info on her former name and it shows the marathons she was in, I will have to go back and get the link.

    ***********************************
    40. kimberly says:
    September 4, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    @erose,

    are you sensing a marriage between AS (AKA Flores) and Js?

  9. kimberly says:

    also found some info on a Michael Storm, has a trucking company out of the Dalles, there seems to be some hispanic names associated with his and his trucking company, (courtesy of veromi)

  10. nate0419 says:

    T. Ruth says:
    September 4, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=7t085g2o38ajrebra05f8qfrj1&topic=9941.160

    puzzler has posted the latests JVM transcript above on Scared Monkeys. Thanks puzzler.
    (snipped)

    HORMAN: Well, again, it`s tough to answer. It`s all about — it`s all part of an ongoing criminal investigation, and the details really are things that we can`t talk about. The investigators, while they`re looking for Kyron, it`s either a direct path there or it`s a process of elimination to get there. And like I said, without the person knowing where he`s at coming forward with that information, it`s extremely difficult to locate where he is.

    So they`ve been working leads and tips. They continue to do that, and they`re trying to rule out other people at the school that day, other scenarios that could have played out that afternoon and really get down to what`s…

    *********

    Aaargh! Why do reporters not let anyone finish their freakin’ sentencs anymore!
    //////////////////////////
    This is a link to the video of the interview. While their is so much that I do not understand about Kaine, I wonder what he meant by “other scenarios that could have played out that AFTERNOON.” He did not say that morning or that day, but that afternoon. After so many months of 8:45 vs 9:00 am, does that imply they know what happened in the morning and Kyron was handed off? possibly multiple times?
    http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/08/30/father-missing-kyron-horman-speaks-out

  11. T. Ruth says:

    Great job Ode, on finding the obit with Storm’s name attached. Interesting that it is a current entry, I wonder if Logan Storm is out on bail and residing with these folks.

  12. cd says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    September 5, 2012 at 3:24 am

    I guess Im missing the point of your post. So are you saying Terri should have been able to get employment If she wanted to but was irresponsible about her Facebook and Linked in accounts and also was not making the correct connections to get a job?

    Maybe she wanted to stay home with Kiara and did not want full time employment.

    i think that the timeline you posted has a lot of (non-fact) opinions in it the one from the Oregonian is much better IMO.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

  13. MockingbirdSings says:

    Do you have a link to a timeline? I looked at his blog and a document he says is a summary of information (couldn’t find a date) that he copied from the Oregonian and other articles. He seems to write about whatever he thinks people might be interested in – has a blog post about making money from blogs.

    January says:
    September 5, 2012 at 5:27 am

    I found the above Timeline while messing around online. The way it reads I thought it might have been written by a reporter (notes, etc.)but found it to be created by Hans Knecht, a Software Engineer at Huron Consulting. He lives in Portland; neither Terri or Kaine are friends with him on Facebook.

  14. T. Ruth says:

    I know Blink says SZ is not on the list, but the confusing Task Force letter and resulting list tells me that LE is looking for someone who was there, but does not show up on the list. The way I see it, SZ was either a perfect stranger, so no one is able to ID him, or his presence there is being covered by someone and IMO they may not necessarily be TH. So anyway, here’s three people who live on that street that were in attendance that morning, starting with Raymond Scott McBeth, Carol Reifsteck, and Barrie Levinson.

    Also wanted to note that we’ve had a lot of discussion about an electrician/plumber or some other handyman construction type person, perhaps being involved, and knowing Kyron from a previous engagement.
    Craig Anderson also lives on that street and is a plumber. Also note that in one of Terri’s FB photos, she shows a kitchen sink faucet broken by the baby, and there is also a shot of the fixed sink. One of the comments posted on said photos, mentions something about Kaine being gone when it happened. Now, I’m not pointing fingers, but given what we’ve been told by the family, Terri trading sexual favors for landscaping, or whatever. Who is the plumber that fixed her sink? May she do it herself, I don’t know. Just wish we knew what tips led LE to that street.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    To be clear, I guess I shouldn’t say they were in “attendance”, we have no idea whether LE was trying to be coy and put people on the list who were not there (such as Kaine Horman). So I should say those three people are on the TF list as having been there.

  16. erose says:

    @Cindy, I have read Logan Storm has dual citizenship.

    @Kimberly, My answer to your question is in moderation.

    sorry, had some weather issues and had to reset the gadgetry, everyone should be up now.

    B

  17. kimberly says:

    In my pondering thoughts and researching NW Plainview and trying to connect the stolen GPS from Lake O, I’m wondering if that white truck that Roger spoke of early on that he said IIRC pulled to the end of the street, sat for a few minutes and left, was in fact someone using a (the stolen GPS) to put directions in, because they were lost.
    would make sense if the GPS tracking is what lead the FBI there.

  18. January says:

    MockingbirdSings says: September 5, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    “Do you have a link to a timeline? I looked at his blog and a document he says is a summary of information (couldn’t find a date) that he copied from the Oregonian and other articles. He seems to write about whatever he thinks people might be interested in – has a blog post about making money from blogs. ”

    =============

    Hi Mockingbird Sings.. Here is the link to his timeline: http://docs.com/11M4

    It is a summary of sorts but also a great timeline, because he details names of teachers and involved agencies etc. within the timeline. Quick reference tool. I found his summary/timeline doc online by googling “kyron horman Logan” of all things. Now I see his blog.

  19. jden says:

    Thank you, Cindy for the alternate photo of LS and please note the redness in the ears, not everyone has red ears like that along with the other list of physical characteristics that I believe make a match.
    All three photos – two of LS and one of the Unk man with the Horman’s, have red ears. I’m holding back additional (names) for this person right now.

  20. T. Ruth says:

    Ruth Storm, 97

    Portland, OR Terry Miles Storm, Joseph Ivan Storm, Sally Jane Storm, Allegra Anabel Flores, Lorraine Storm, Joe Storm

    http://radaris.com/p/Ruth/Storm/OR/

    erose, I’m getting a Lorraine Storm as the L. Storm. Still doesn’t mean he isn’t a cousin or something.

    I found it interesting that Ruth C. & Roderick T. seem to be the matriarchs of the family and that they had property in Central Point. I used to have TY & DY’s address, but seem to have lost it. (I wouldn’t post it, because he is a PO.) Just wondering if this is anywhere near where they live? If in fact there is a Logan Storm connection, is it possible he met Kyron in CP? Just digging. Gotta go.

    http://www.city-data.com/jackson-county-or/J/Juanita-Way-2.html

    916 Juanita Way
    Central Point, OR 97502
    Find on map >>
    Owner: RODERICK T/RUTH C STORM & LIVING REVOCABLE TRUST & RUTH C FBO STORM TRUSTEE
    Land market value: $47,710
    Improvements market value: $113,600
    Total market value for property: $161,310
    Assessments for tax year: 2011
    Property use: Residence – One Story
    Property class: Residential Improved, Zoned Residential
    Land size: 8,276 square feet
    Total improvements area: 1,538 square feet
    Zoning: Single Family Residential 6000 Sf Min Lot
    Recent sale: $129,500 (3/1/1999)
    Improvements:

    Type: Residence
    Description: One story
    Area: 1,538 square feet
    Year built: 1994
    Effective year built: 1994

  21. erose says:

    @Blink, You are doing a fantastic job, and hope you are starting to feel it a little. Never have to say sorry to me. Just wanted Kimberly to know I didn’t ignore. Thank you so much for all you do.

    If by feeling it you mean able to complete a 2 1/2 mile run in under 23 minutes, no, not yet, lol, but I will keep tossing my rusty bucket without wheels down the street :)

    heart u
    B

  22. erose says:

    @Rose, Briede’s Linked-In says Gene Lamot is still his life coach. Gene Lamot the pro-BB player?

  23. RedRose says:

    Sheesh. Two of a kind living at the same residence with 9 others. Wonder if they were making movies – had a porno catalog going, whatever? eeeuw.
    Wonder if any of the neighbors know much about them – bet walls could really talk.

    Nobody, however, is talking about anything. Scared? Probably?
    Where is the FBI when you need them to do really in-depth work??

    erose says: September 5, 2012 at 1:43 am

    snip: the 11 residents at 11233 NW Plainview Dr.:

    L Storm (10) possibly Logan Storm

    Jack T Major (11) child molester from Florida whose current known address in Hillsboro Oregon

  24. Idahogal says:

    T. Ruth says:
    September 4, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=7t085g2o38ajrebra05f8qfrj1&topic=9941.160

    puzzler has posted the latests JVM transcript above on Scared Monkeys. Thanks puzzler.
    (snipped)
    **************
    Much thanks to puzzler & T. Ruth for sharing the above JVM transcript. I’ve been trying to find it for 2 days, sheesh.
    Okay, now I’ve read all of it, and this is the part that jumped out at me:

    VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you think happened? What do you think happened? I mean, she was back at the house with you in the afternoon when your son didn`t get off the school bus. There`s only a narrow window of time there. What do you believe happened?

    HORMAN: It`s either one of two things. And until they give us information, it`s hard to say. But either she took him from the school that day and did something with him or she took him from school and handed him off to somebody else. And until we — until the criminal investigation determines what happened, we`re not really at liberty to say which way we`re leaning toward in the investigation at this time.
    ———–

    It seems to me this is the first time that KH, or anyone for that matter, has publicly said that TH took him from the school. We’ve had people say she is responsible, involved, etc., but here he says TH removed Kyron from the school. This fits with all the news articles that have said TH was the last person with him that day. Well, IDK how LE or anyone else can say this as though it is a fact. If that were true, and they KNEW it because of a witness or whatever, then surely TH would have been arrested, charged with something by now. I am so frustrated, grrr…

    Also, bravo to all of you for the amazing research and sleuthing lately, blows me away.

    Blink, I sure hope you are still planning to write a piece, maybe clarify a few things. I’m keeping you and yours in my prayers.

    Thank you Idahogal, I am sidesaddle, but I am on the horse. Will have an announcement regarding this case Friday.

    B

  25. Miss Bri says:

    @T. Ruth- Assuming this is the same Raymond Scott McBeth as on the list of people at the school that day, it’s interesting that he lives on NW Plainview.

    MCBETH, RAYMOND SCOTT
    MCBETH, RAYMOND A
    MCBETH, RAYMOND S
    MCBETH, RAYMOND
    MACBETH, RAYMOND SCOTT
    MACBETH, RAYMOND S
    MC BETH, RAYMOND S
    MC BETH, RAYMOND
    RAYMOND, SCOTT MCBETH
    MCBETH RAYMOND, SCOTT
    MCBETHRAYMOND, SCOTT
    (DOB: 08/1956)
    (Age: 56) 11311 NW PLAINVIEW RD R
    PORTLAND, OR 97231-2503
    MULTNOMAH COUNTY

    (04/1990-Current)

  26. erose says:

    Doesn’t seem too hard to be an American, and apply and get Irish citizenship.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/how-obtain-dual-citizenship-us-ireland-217320.html

  27. mas says:

    Does anyone know “if” Desiree were to hire a private investigator would they be allowed access to the case file on Kyron?

    They would not. That said, I am not sure that would be an inhibitor at this point.

    B

  28. Miss Bri says:

    Wow (re: my above post) I really need to make sure Im caught up with reading before I post, lol. I see McBeth (and others there that day) have already been noted to have lived on Plainview.

  29. Rose says:

    great timeline January
    I like his including sources.

  30. Rose says:

    ty nate0419 for video url.
    my impression is he has highly gifted
    verbal abstract reasoning skills
    which show on interview. I
    deduce everything he says on
    interview is purposeful.

    I noticed “the afternoon” as well.

    I noticed fact he cites to prove case
    is not cold has been what he depicts as
    (his own) immense busyness doing “events”
    on the West Coast, and working with Kyron
    supporters.

    I sensed he feels Kyron is stashed and either the
    stasher has to “give,” or LE will find Kyron “by process
    of elimination.”

    All in all a most adept yet confusing interview.

    Has anyone else noticed that Sean Cruz,
    the advocate of what he considers his
    son’s namesake law, blogged about
    Mrs Young’s imminent civil case,
    and blogged every few days, but he has
    been entirely silent about any matter
    since August 2nd? Is he a Young advisor?

  31. mas says:

    Also, are there any updates on the hair found on Sauvie?

  32. RedRose says:

    silly question, but since there is such a thing as computer forensics where they can pull the shadows off hard drives (or however that works) … and there are cell phone pings that can be tracked back to cell phones in an ares … well, isn’t it just possible that someone somewhere who makes GPS equipment, can track GPS signals or thins somehow?

    Guess I’ll ask Google.

    I know you would need the actual GPS, but when you enter information into any gps, doesn’t it go somewhere so that there would be a record?

  33. kimberly says:

    23. erose says:
    September 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    @Blink, You are doing a fantastic job, and hope you are starting to feel it a little. Never have to say sorry to me. Just wanted Kimberly to know I didn’t ignore. Thank you so much for all you do.

    If by feeling it you mean able to complete a 2 1/2 mile run in under 23 minutes, no, not yet, lol, but I will keep tossing my rusty bucket without wheels down the street

    heart u
    B

    Lol, but you heard it in your mind, I know it. :)

    ********************************************
    nope, not feeling that at all. :)

  34. RedRose says:

    I read Google to see how a GPS works.

    quote: Determining Position
    A GPS receiver “knows” the location of the satellites, because that information is included in satellite transmissions. By estimating how far away a satellite is, the receiver also “knows” it is located somewhere on the surface of an imaginary sphere centered at the satellite. It then determines the sizes of several spheres, one for each satellite. The receiver is located where these spheres intersect.

    sooooo….if the gps feeds information to satellites (one of 24), wouldn’t the satellite have that information on record somewhere (out of a hundred billion records, I suppose …)

    Seems you can track everything back and forth, why not a GPS

  35. Ankine says:

    @ Erose & Ode, I read somewhere (don’t know how true) that the birth name of Logan Storm was Burgess Hansen (which coincides with the age of 36) and that he changed it after high school because he was obsessed with X-men comic books and the 2 ain characters were named Logan & Storm!

  36. Rose says:

    Friday.
    So near; so far.
    TY for your work.

  37. RedRose says:

    Well with all of those strange types living in that same house –11311 NW PLAINVIEW RD or the 11 residents at 11233 NW Plainview Dr.– you’d think the neighbors (lots of houses on that road according to google maps) would start paying more attention. There could be a little boy hidden right in their midst!
    Is that by any chance a halfway house?

    Has anyone checked to see what the employment background is for each of the residents? Are they all “movie makers”?

    Hmmm, might be fun to go for a scenic drive up that way, but I don’t think I’d go by myself. The houses all look large, and expensive.

    @Rose says: September 5, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    I sensed he [Kaine in interview]feels Kyron is stashed and either the stasher has to “give,” or LE will find Kyron “by process
    of elimination.”

  38. Rose says:

    @erose. who got the building permit in 2001 to
    replace that 11occupant house? (asked because you
    are far more skilled than I @ research & are also local-ish.

  39. Rose says:

    call me facebook stupid, but I always went to FB’s “Roseburg Supports Kyron…”
    and without a FB enrollment or logging in was on their site and viewed the most recent “Wall” posts. Today, after a week or so of not visiting, my experience is the screen was “lig in.” No more freebie visits. Idk what was so private. It was all pics & direction to gofundme.

  40. foobros says:

    MockingbirdSings says:
    September 5, 2012 at 3:24 am

    @MBS – this is an excellent post. I see where you’re going with it and I couldn’t agree more.

  41. MockingbirdSings says:

    January says:
    September 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    Hi Mockingbird Sings.. Here is the link to his timeline: http://docs.com/11M4
    It is a summary of sorts but also a great timeline, because he details names of teachers and involved agencies etc. within the timeline. Quick reference tool. I found his summary/timeline doc online by googling “kyron horman Logan” of all things. Now I see his blog.

    @January – thanks. That’s the one I found from the name you gave. Very well written starting with June 4th. There is one part that I don’t understand – I copied it below. After I read this, I read backwards in his timeline, but it still wasn’t clear. If there was a 9-1-1 call made AFTER Terri moved out, who made it and how is it related to the case? Is this a call that is in addition to the calls we’ve talked about before – the one from Christmas 2009, the one from Mother’s Day, and the 2 from the day of the sting? Do I at least have these 4 correctly listed?

    http://docs.com/11M4

    Wednesday, June 30
    Examiner.com is reporting that the 9-1-1 call did originate from the home of Terri and Kaine after Terri moved out. LE did not mention who called, but did mention that the call is now considered part of the case concerning the disappearance of Kyron.
    ———————————-

    What day did Kaine move back into the house and did anyone ever verify or ask about this from Willamette Week’s “The Kyron Files”: “When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.”

    Or is there an error in the text from the Examiner.com?
    I’m confused.

  42. MockingbirdSings says:

    cd says:
    September 5, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    MockingbirdSings says:
    September 5, 2012 at 3:24 am

    I guess Im missing the point of your post. So are you saying Terri should have been able to get employment If she wanted to but was irresponsible about her Facebook and Linked in accounts and also was not making the correct connections to get a job?

    Maybe she wanted to stay home with Kiara and did not want full time employment.

    i think that the timeline you posted has a lot of (non-fact) opinions in it the one from the Oregonian is much better IMO.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

    @cd – As I mentioned, my timeline is based on the same article you reference plus her LinkedIn and FB education information and other articles. I wanted to look at her work history in the context of what was going on in her life and without the narration of the Oregonian article. The point was that I believe what was holding her back from getting a job was the way she interacted with (lack of networking) others in the schools where she worked and at Skyline, and the way she presented her achievements, much more so than her age, household responsibilities, and “non-supportive” husbands. I wasn’t saying she was irresponsible – I said she needed a good career counselor and advice, the kind graduates are normally offered by their universities, if she was truly serious about getting a job.

    It could be true that she didn’t want to work, but at the same time, she apparently gave people the impression that she did want a teaching job. She didn’t have to renew her teaching license, but she did, perhaps thinking about what she would do if she divorced Kaine?

    “Terri fired off long e-mails to Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, peppered with complaints. She was venting about the teacher and why she should have her job,” Desiree said, “and she was venting about Kaine — everything.”

    “On Facebook, Terri Horman said she had wanted to be a teacher since she was 7 years old.”

    The article has more about her wanting to teach.

  43. Malty says:

    I looked at Kaine’s FB
    Rather strange profile pic
    Showing his muscled arm

  44. MockingbirdSings says:

    I reread the following recently discussed comments from http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

    “Terri also told friends that Kaine tried to control her spending.”

    “Controlling with my money — yeah,” Kaine said, “because she was spending all of it. She was going out and spending it like water and not checking with me where we should be spending our money.”
    ———————————————

    Kaine calls it “my money”, but then he refers to “spending our money”. Maybe he was making a distinction between the money he earned, and the money she earned. It could be that he did not tell her what to do with her child support, earnings, and unemployment other than to contribute part of it to the household expenses, but he did feel he had a right to have her consult with him about how his own earnings were spent. I know couples who manage finances that way, and it generally works.

    The more I read and re-read Kaine’s description of their relationship, including finances, the more I get the feeling he just wanted her to be happy or satisfied or content with their married life, and didn’t know how to make that happen. Whether he was clueless about the relationship or she had a deep dissatisfaction within herself that no one could fix, or both – it’s quite sad that they didn’t or couldn’t find someone to help them work it out.

  45. Malty says:

    About unemployment
    While it is required one be able and ready and active in job search
    Not everyone searches in a way to insure
    They will find a job
    Terri would not be the first or last to try this
    If that was the case
    One of her friends said she decided to stay home
    Yet later we hear she was drawing unemployment

  46. erose says:

    Wasn’t DDS involved in something like this?

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  47. wpg says:

    If it’s okay, I’m going back to the night of the mfh failed sting, June 26 2010.

    In August 2010, KPTV obtained emails written by TH and sent to friends and KH.

    * email sent to KH June 26 at 11:45pm – - – AFTER the failed sting:

    “OK, I love you but this is ridiculous. What you are doing is parental child abduction and is illegal. I need to know where my daughter is and if she is safe. You were really upset with me when you left. What is it that I/we need to do to reconcile this? I don’t want to call 911 but I need a resolution please. If I don’t hear from you in an hour I will call 911.”

    my question: Did she ever communicate to KH about what had occurred earlier . . . you know, something like Dear Husband, please come home, I need you, I’m so scared after the most terrifying experience with men threatening me, I’m so confused with the police and everything, etc. ?

    *
    This e-mail is sent to a friend about an hour later, June 27 12:40am:

    “I just called 911. They directed me to non-emergency. Guess what? Since we are married we have joint custody and he can do that. Gee, too bad I didn’t know that. I told the dispatch who we are in relation to the Kyron Horman case and she is having someone call me. Give a mark for the FBI.”

    my question: TH went through 2 divorces when her son J was a child. How could an intelligent woman like her claim to not know about custody issues? Plus she went to the gym earlier in the day looking for KH and babyK and according to the gym owner, TH (allegedly) said if she (babyK) was there she would have taken her . . . so it sounds like she DID know about that option.

    “E-mails Shed Light on Horman”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxA05bPoREg

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