Kyron Horman Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron
Civil As An Oxymoron
Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother and arguably the bravest soul in recent memory as far as the frantic and grieving mom’s of missing children’s set is concerned, believes her youngest son has been kidnapped by Terri Horman.
Or that she arranged for same by some unknown party and is demanding his location or the location of his remains.
Her recent civil suit filed by Eldon Rosenthal makes these direct allegations against the woman that by her own admission, she entrusted with the care of her toddler son in 2003.
Her suit is demanding $10 million dollars with a reservation to amend to include punitive damages later. The complaint is 5 pages long, or apparently $2million a page.
Last month a ruling by Judge Harry Kantor denying an abatement motion will allow the suit to proceed, for now.
The decision was widely seen as a win for Desiree Young in her tenacious quest to seek answers in the disappearance of her son Kyron from The Skyline School on June 4th, 2010. Headlines throughout the region and the evening talking head regulars praised the Judge’s decision for the Mom who has had no previous success in very public campaigns to engage Terri Horman’s cooperation in the investigation.
The legal community however, not so much. The decision to move the case forward relied largely on the fact that although it was patently clear from Ms. Young’s filing and subsequent public commentary by her and counsel Eldon Rosenthal that she alleges Horman has committed criminal acts resulting in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
Terri Horman has neither been declared a suspect by police nor has she been indicted by a grand jury who continues to meet on the case.
Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, learned about the suit filed by his former wife by a member of the media seeking comment on his reaction to it. He has not been made a party to the civil action although he was awarded primary physical custody of the couple’s son in March, 2004.
I count myself with the thousands that want this aggrieved Mother and Father to locate their child regardless of the outcome.
That said, it is ridiculous to think a woman whose criminal attorney has advised her not to respond to a twice- renewed restraining order precluding her from seeing her now 3 year old daughter is going to utter a syllable outside of assertion of her 5th amendment rights during any deposition she is compelled to participate in.
On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman, acting alone or in concert with others, intentionally kidnapped Kyron Horman from ; Skyline Elementary School. Kyron has not been seen or heard from by either of his parents since prior to Terri Horman taking Kyron to school that morning.
Did Not Miss The Memo
The Honorable Harry Kantor penned an accompanying order memorandum to his ruling following oral arguments on August 18th, It is worthy of the Honorable Belvin Perry’s stamp of approval- with the exception of course that is does not contain the phrase, “no earthly idea.”
It did however; contain the first ever direct statement that Terri Horman is a suspect in the investigation, a PRIME suspect, no less. In pertinent part:
“..The focus of the defendant’s motion is to stop the prosecution of this civil case while an ongoing active criminal investigation into both young Kyron Horman’s disappearance in 2010 and a murder-for-hire plot against Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, is pending, so that the defendant (Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and Kaine’s wife) is not required to decide whether to exercise her constitutional rights against self-incrimination under the United States and Oregon Constitutions before it is necessary to do so in any criminal prosecution which may follow the investigation. The plaintiff is Kyron ‘smother. The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation …” (emphasis added by me)
Interestingly, Judge Kantor takes it upon himself to declare Terri Horman a prime suspect in BOTH the ongoing criminal investigations of a murder for hire plot and Kyron’s disappearance.
While it is a fair statement to say that both sides agree that Terri Horman is the subject or focus via “laser pointer” of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance and her attorneys used that point to support abatement. At no time and in no document or filing has either side said Terri Horman was a prime suspect of anything? Where does Judge Kantor come by such information?
For his Honor to state his concern over tainting a jury pool, and then to allege, or divulge, as it were, that Terri Horman is a prime suspect in a murder for hire plot in an ongoing criminal investigation- is he privy to such information from some alternative source that is not contained on the record?
A request for any exparte information should be forthcoming. Where is the conversation with District Attorney Rod Underhill or his office read into the record? It has not been.
Lea Conner, Washington Family Attorney and BOC legal analyst sees Judge Kantor’s take differently:
“…The judge is not referring exclusively to the Desiree Young lawsuit.
Kaine Horman claimed in his TRO petition that law enforcement provided him with probable cause to believe that Terri Horman had attempted to hire someone to kill him.
He again made the same claim in papers filed after the TRO petition (specifically alleging that Terri was sexting the landscaper who she wanted to murder him, then allegedly sexted Michael Cook).
Kaine reiterated his allegations a third time in papers he filed last fall in response to Terri Horman’s motion for parenting time.
Kaine once again claimed Terri Horman tried to hire a hit man when he sought to renew the restraining order in 2011. There was an additional line added to the renewal, and though it sounded like something new, it was just Kaine reiterating the same allegations.
The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment applies to criminal matters, and it does not allow prior testimonial statements of witnesses to be admitted where the witness has since become unavailable. Crawford v. Washington, 541 U.S. 36 (2004).
Here, we are talking about a civil matter. The Confrontation Clause and the holding of Crawford do not apply to civil matters or other non-criminal proceedings…”
In Oregon, a special appearance is used by a party who wishes to vacate an unauthorized proceeding without consenting to jurisdiction of the court:
A “special appearance” is made by a party when he or his attorney seeks to obtain from the court an order vacating some proceeding which, it is insisted, has been undertaken by the adverse party in an unauthorized manner; such an appearance being thus limited to prevent conferring jurisdiction of the person. Again, Ms. Conner’s thoughts:
…” The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the judge’s point was the last couple of pages that says Terri Horman’s lawyers cannot make any motion without appearing. This is to say that a special appearance allows a challenge as to the validity of a specific action, but it does not otherwise allow an attorney (nor a party) to file other types of motions or to seek other relief, as was done here.
The abatement that the attorneys sought would act as a protective order. Abatement is not a challenge to the propriety nor validity of the underlying action. As such, Terri Horman’s lawyers needed to appear before filing a motion as to the issue of abatement. ..”
Judge Kantor chose the teamwork approach in an adversarial proceeding, and instructed Terri Horman’s counsel they will need to file an appearance. He attempts to present the case’s challenges to both sides and seeks input as to how best to protect the rights of the defendant, in pertinent part:
The court does not have any particular length of time for this delay in mind at this juncture. lnstead, the court would like the parties and their lawyers to consult and confer about the following and then report back:
1. Should the court require the defendant to file an answer to the complaint which admits or denies the plaintiffs allegations or simply allow the defendant to litigate as if she denied those allegations? If so, by when and for how long?
2. Should the plaintiff be required to establish “reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” (as defined in criminal cases) that the defendant has done what is alleged through other evidence before the defendant is required to answer oral or written deposition questions under oath?
3. Should the plaintiff be required to serve written deposition questions, which would be subject to court review upon proper motion, and review the answers before taking the defendant’s oral deposition?
Once the court has the parties’ answers to these questions, I will meet with the lawyers to form a schedule and plan for this case. Further briefing and hearings may be required as well.
Defacto Suspect Is Defacto Parent?
History is rife with hellacious stories of parents killing their own children, their own families, and ones parent status should not be considered a reason to exclude anyone. In fact, as we all know, it is 90% more likely that Kyron disappeared due to the actions of a parent or family member and all law enforcement investigators begin a parallel investigation of all with access or motive, from the start.
A hypotenuse only exists within a right triangle. This case is anything but.
Horman, through her attorneys has already certified she will protect her right not to incriminate herself and considering one of the remedies Ms. Young is seeking is that she does just that- who chaired the risk vs. reward strategy meeting in this case in its current form?
In Horman’s favor, Oregon law is one of few in the country that specifies that a jury cannot take the fact that she pleads the fifth and ostensibly cannot or is very limited in her ability to defend her case into its deliberation considerations.
Has Desiree Young been appropriately prepared for the litany of possibilities that might arise out of this filing?
Like, say, a counter suit or an effective defense resulting in a dismissal with prejudice? An award for Horman’s attorney fees ?
For the record, for those of you cringing while reading that remark, I cringed at writing it.
When someone files a purposefully vague claim against another accusing them of a criminal act (s) they will be beyond its tensile strength to support, many possibilities of alternative defense strategies become available to the DEFENDANT.
Ms. Young’s complaint made criminal accusations in a civil action that all agree parallel current criminal investigations. However, even if Horman was in a position to defend herself without violating her fifth amendment right, as it is written- the complaint is not even “answerable”.
“I believe we will be able to prove what happened in this case,”- Eldon Rosenthal
Oh? The preponderance of evidence limbo -stick notwithstanding, let’s be honest, it is going to be virtually impossible to prove Kyron was removed from the state with all parties including law enforcement openly stating they have no idea where he is or how he got there.
Outside of that conviction for first degree custodial interference which certainly seems unlikely because nobody is facing such a charge to date, the prima facie reverts to finding Terri Horman liable on the other counts in civil court.
According to legal analyst Bruce McCain, who has closely been following the Kyron case, the suit will be “near impossible to prove, especially when an element of second degree custodial interference is that Terri acted with the intent to hold Kyron permanently of for a protracted period of time.”
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has never even classified Kyron’s case as abduction and he is only listed as a missing person on the FBI’s site. Typically crimes need a crime scene, and the Skyline School has certainly never been declared one and astonishingly has not been named a party to this suit. More on that in part 2 of this series.
In summary, Desiree Young is making three allegations. She is claiming either on her own or with help, Terri kidnapped her son Kyron Horman from the Skyline School. Desiree’s own words contradict this claim as to kidnapping:
“She dropped him off that day, but that’s all we know.” – Desiree Young
Desiree is also claiming the intentional infliction of emotional distress through feigning ignorance of the events of June 4, 2010, lying to investigators and lying to the media. Not one quote, not one example is offered in support of this allegation. How can one possibly prove intentional infliction if such statements were never actually uttered to the plaintiff? How does lying to an investigator , if in fact she did, about unknown subject matter, equate to probable cause of the allegation?
What is it’s nexus directly to Desiree Young exactly? Not having the answer in place for that is going to spawn more than a few mutterings of “bad faith” at the bar meetings next month.
Tony Young has stated that as a collegial gesture, he was NOT given any information about the specifics in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance and has publicly only said “If not Terri than who?”
Peter Bunch called the suit law enforcements stalking horse. Judge Kantor seems to agree with Bunch that due to the protection of the ongoing criminal case, that participation from any law enforcement personnel will be non-existent. Rosenthal seems to be more optimistic in his deuces tecum prowess, apparently.
Bruce McCain, could not be more on point. The burden to prove the allegations against Terri Horman rest squarely on her accuser. MCSO recently participated in the filming of Americas Most Wanted, and have spoken publicly about the case on numerous occasions. They have allegedly provided information directly to Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, which is now a matter of public record.
Deposing a law enforcement officer or twenty prior to the possible future criminal filing against your client with the knowledge none of the information has gleaned an indictment to date, is the equivalent to the key to the evidence locker of the case. Will it be a game of quash for all? Certainly, and Bunch has already said so.
“I have nothing to say about Terri Horman” Captain Jason Gates, MCSO
I have never seen Terri Horman give a recorded press interview. I am aware of no statute that exists to compel anyone to be honest with a member of the media on your doorstep seeking comment. ( although I might be in favor that as a card carrier- )
The scales of lady justice require balance for a reason. Glenn Close and Rose Byrne have already concluded the final season of Damages and I dare say those producers have more manufactured story line of fake criminal cases then this very real situation could deliver for fiction-even.
If Terri Horman, through counsel, decides to file for a dismissal of the suit, or defend it in PART- as it appears Judge Kantor has already laid the groundwork for, what should we expect?
You have to respect a judge who is coaching from the bench, and he did.
Technically speaking, under Oregon law, Terri Horman was Kyron Horman’s defacto or psychological parent. The “best interest” standard is a relatively low threshold in this case. Please see review courtesy of Kramer Associates regarding “After Troxel.” (link : http://www.kramer-associates.com/mkgrandparentsrightsaftertroxel.pdfKramer Associates)
I asked Atty Lea Conner to weigh in on this possible third party parent strategy to challenge standing of Ms. Young’s suit, as well as any impeachment or award matrix issues :
“…Third party custody issues are tricky in any case. You need to refer to Troxel v, Granville – Troxel is a US Supreme Court ruling that a parent’s rights trump those of third parties.- One Oregon case cited (Wilson v. Wilson) is particularly devastating to Terri Horman. In Wilson, the court found that custody must be awarded to the mother in order to preserve a sibling relationship between the natural child of the mother and the common child (AKA “joint child”) of both parties-
The Wilson case is interesting, because potentially, a parent contemplating divorce with contested custody might want to discourage the relationship between natural child of one party in order to prevent the natural parent from gaining an advantage in obtaining custody. Could Terri Horman argue that this was Kaine’s motive in sending James to live in Roseburg in early 2010? (Kaine denies sending James away, and claims that it was Terri’s fault that he moved. James and his father in Roseburg have made statements indicating James and Kaine had ongoing conflict, which contradicts Kaine’s version of events and supports Terri Horman’s claims.)”
The Troxel case has affected laws in virtually all of the states, and has significantly reduced previously recognized rights of grandparents, step-parents and psychological parents in favor of birth parents.
Why Terri Horman may be in a position to defend her relationship with Kyron, but not as a parent per se:
5. Wilson and Wilson, 184 Or App 212 (2002), CA A113524. Custody of stepchild awarded to stepfather, along with parties’ joint child, reversed. Under Troxel, custody of the mother’s natural child must be awarded to fit birth mother and because of the sibling relationship, custody of the parties’ joint child must also be awarded to mother. [See Case Note 20 discussion below for Court of Appeals decision on remand from Supreme Court.]
Interestingly, I note that nobody brought up the fact that Desiree once accused Kaine Horman of at least the possibility that he was capable of kidnapping her sons, and was granted a restraining order based on the potential recognized by the court in a similar possible offense.
“.. our Lives are no longer private. Investigators are going to want very detailed information of our personal lives..” Tony Young, Kyron Horman’s stepfather.
What will absolutely add insult to injury in this case will be the fact that in order to indirectly defend Terri Horman, her lawyers will need to vilify Desiree young in front of a jury. They will have to remove the more than deserving, grieving and egregiously wronged Mother’s invisible halo, and they have enough to work with. There is no way around it as unfair as it seems, it is what it is.
EDIT NOTE: In August 1995 a woman with the same name as Desiree Davidson was living with a man who was a convicted felon and the target of more than a few secret indictments a few years earlier. She filed a Family Abuse Protection Complaint against him for assault and he was arrested on a separate felony charge a week later. David Roy Davis may be connected to an entirely different Desiree, but the record came through on a search under Ms. Young’s date of birth as well. The point is, their will be lots of digging on everyone.
In March of 2004, Desiree Young claimed that serious liver problems from an undisclosed, non- FDA approved medicine required her to move to Canada for treatment. She relinquished physical custody of both her sons under the guise that she would not be required to now pay child support as filed in the stipulations of the respective cases. Ms. Young maintained a Seattle, WA address at that time and the last custody order states a very different custody arrangement than what Desiree has mentioned publicly.
If she was seeing Kyron more than once a month, then it was by verbal agreement with Kaine’s approval but this is yet again an unfortunate example of impeachment possibility. The “seeking treatment “details will unfortunately be public information that she has refused to discuss. You get the idea.
Desiree has also admitted asking Kaine to consider modifying the custody arrangement and allowing Kyron to go live with her. Kaine said no and would not discuss it further, but Terri Horman was in favor of it.
Both Desiree and Kaine have conceded Kyron had a few issues of concern in school the prior part of the year, in fact they went so far as to say they were concerned their reaction to it with him might have played a part in his disappearance.
How is it that if having issues at school can be a helpful argument to a non-custodial parent seeking custody modification that nobody considered that Terri was actually working to support Desiree’s possible case?
Kaine has confirmed that they had a discussion about a doctor appointment for Kyron, so this possibility has corroboration.
For the past 2+ years Desiree Young has done everything conceivable to progress answers in the disappearance of her son and I applaud her for that. I am equally as concerned about the emotional toll this lawsuit will take on her as I have been about the effects of the loss of her son.
Catch as Catch Can
Omitted entirely in any coverage of Judge Kantor’s order and memo announcement or previous reactions to the civil filings, is the fact that if Terri Horman is or was involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, she is about to get a front row seat to the case against her without saying a word.
Under current criminal procedure in Oregon, once a person is indicted, the defendant receives little more than the actual indictment order. This is usually under seal until an arrest warrant is executed, but it does not contain witnesses, testimony, evidence or any hint at the content that was discussed since the grand jury began reviewing the case and the triers of fact rendered a verdict to indict the party.
In this parallel discovery minefield, arguably tantamount to a mock trial in front of a defacto suspect, the plaintiff will be forced to compel witnesses that have testified before the grand jury, any evidence they have been made aware of, and in some cases they have not, and all of this essentially erodes the sanctity of the grand jury advantage over a criminal defendant. In particular, Oregon uses the grand jury proceeding as many other states use a preliminary hearing. And btw, this is Stephen Houze’s dominion.
While Bunch’s motion for abatement indicates police will refuse to turn over documents or materials pointing to guilt or exculpation, they simply cannot assist the plaintiff without assisting the defense as the discovery is reciprocal across the board. That said, I would expect District Attorney Rod Underhill to seek protection orders against releasing any information classified as part of the case file of an active criminal investigation.
How will that work if the majority of information is clearly being conveyed in an ad hoc method of “you can refer to it in your filings but we will not produce it for your use at a civil trial?”
The reality is that if Terri Horman is involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman in any capacity this suit as it is structured in the instant matter will do more to assist her defense team than it will ever produce incriminating and usable intelligence to indict her.
It will not provide any detail as to Ky’s whereabouts that MCSO does not already know.
I can hear the protagonists in my ear already- but the scope of criminal subpoena power and reach is intensely more narrow than that of the civil standard so won’t this be an opportunity to glean information LE did not have access to?
Who in their right mind believes that nine multi-disciplined Federal and State Law Enforcement Agencies including those tasked with measures and responsibility of our National Security did not or do not have access to every shred of data a civil order can produce?
The Honorable Judge Kantor requested a position by the District Attorney and invited Underhill to attend the hearing, whereby DA Underhill stated he had no position on the matter.
Kantor is allowing the case to move forward absent an indictment or an official position from the DA, but I predict that is a temporary decision. The DA and MCSO is absolutely going to have a position when the motions to compel discovery arrive by the wheelbarrow followed closely by the freightliner full of FOIA requests. Once it is released for a civil trial it is releasable to the public.
What- No Joinder?
Lastly, as Kyron’s Father, it is odd that Kaine Horman would not be a party to this action. If the goal was a behind the scenes tag team to exhaust the funds of Terri Horman over simultaneous cases I sincerely hope that a considerable amount of time was spent on the possibility that they may be waking the sleeping giant. Desiree Young has an online donation site soliciting funds for her legal fees which injury cases are usually taken on a contingency basis and Kaine Horman has everything to gain by not dividing his assets with his estranged wife in November, when the abatement is lifted.
The fact that a recently retired Civil Attorney who has international homes is willing to come out of retirement to take this case would make me very nervous. Mark H. Wagner signed on yesterday.
If Terri Horman has nothing to hide as it relates to Kyron’s disappearance, this is her one shot to get her life back and clear her name.
The public pendulum will never be swinging so slowly to hear from her why it should stop- as it is right now.
If she was involved, in any way, this civil case is going to unearth the unintentional mistakes and snafus of the well meaning mean and women in law enforcement who have worked this case. It will render it nearly impossible to ever prosecute her successfully whether Kyron is ever located or not. This legal team will have at least 3 plausible alternative suspects, have the jury blaming law enforcement and believing Kyron is alive somewhere and may be better off.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
It may give a grief-stricken Mother a $10 Million judgment she can never collect, but as Peter Bunch said in his argument, it will not give her the answers she seeks.
I terrified my interrogation subjects, but I never got intelligence.
Astute. True. Maddening for all that are interested in this case but of course begs the question-
If tortboarding will not work, at some point, does it make sense to start over with a fresh perspective of elimination versus inclusion?
Terri Horman was the immediate suspect in a disappearance and an alleged murder for hire plot where there are gads of comments and facebook images of a happy family and very alive target- Kaine Horman.
When confronted by her alleged accomplice, Rodolpho “Rudy” Sanchez directly in a failed sting rivaling RENO 911- she actually called 911.
The sting was heard by more than a few scanner enthusiasts, as reported exclusively by BOC(insert link)
Why was it decided Terri Horman was the mariticidic filicide in a flash?
And why were all other avenues excluded almost as quickly as Jung opened the window for the scarab?
Coming Soon- Part 2
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@Lilacs. ALL the “parents” computers should have been seized,
including Tony’s, if LE looked to inner circle first. I guess the issue is
subpoena & probable cause. imo subpoena was the evidentiary safe route,
and residential caregivers (incl Dad) should’ve been no. 1. Intel
ownership of Kaine’s computer would’ve been irrelevant with a subpoena.
And if Kaine wanted to say “I’m an open book” and profer w/o subpoena,
he’d shown he could get with Intel Legal & be directive.
Imo Legal would’ve cooperated absent a subpoena
with protections in place. But imo this investigation needed subpoenas
for all electronic evidence
Is CLBanks still at Brook Hill historic church or has she left the area? I believe she has long red hair resembling TMH. IR food scrap recycling project to feed hogs on farm. Man in pictures assisting children with the scraps. Who is that man?
IR at the beginning, reading about KH allegedley asking LE to search a farm/ranch… in Banks, OR?
Just thinking back on things…
Blink, please close your eyes..
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Do either of you (redrose, wpg or anyone else for that matter) notice plaid on the guy to the left? I don’t..
@ RedRose says: September 29, 2012 at 12:11 am
I opened the and did the “magic thing” with photo editing and have a nice sharp photo. But I don’t know where to share it, so I just saved it on my computer.
@ wpg says: September 29, 2012 at 12:51 am
judging from his face and the gap around his neck of the garment he is wearing under his jacket (could be a zippered high-neck top or maybe a hoodie)
sunnybrook says:
October 2, 2012 at 3:28 am
What the missing digital records could be, is a clue to begin at. Is this S0 handiwork? All those who have a password to the computer system should have been checked. Could this system be accessed off premise? imo there should be a trail of those who accessed the computer for that day.
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The computer system can definitely be accessed from anywhere to handle personal emails and some other information – you just need to know how to log on and have a password. Been there, done that. I’m sure an “ordinary employee” cannot access anything that is confidential such as student records or attendance.
LE did get some information from PPS by subpoena but would not say what. My guess is computer information was not totally gone. I retired, was “out of the system”, asked for a new password when I went back to help my old school, found out my old password still worked and I had over 900 emails sitting in my box. Could have changed, but I’d be surprised if some information was not still available.
The phone system is a different story. I know you could track phone calls and where they came from because we used to track 911 calls made as a prank to whatever extension they came from. But all that was immediate information. My understanding was that the phone system was set up to dump information in a matter of a few weeks.
Anyone could have asked to use the phone. I would expect the contact number could show up in the data, but IF the phone system was ever set up to record actual conversations, I’d really like to know that and so would every other employee of PPS. Anyone who was tech smart would probably not have used a school phone for anything obvious. A great many employees also keep their personal cell phones handy during the day. My school got cells for the teachers one year but it didn’t work well because the signal was so bad in the building – which would be the one reason I can think of that someone may have used a school phone in this case.
My guess has always been that they didn’t lose all that much data from PPS. However, it was the end of the year. People do shut down and secure their computers for the summer – hopefully, LE looked at the school computers and any personal laptops being used.
All this brings new meaning to the term “Freeze!” MCSO should have asked, of course, but apparently made assumptions about availability or thought about asking too late. On the other hand, I am positive there used to be PPS people who would have wondered if that was needed and have brought it up – apparently they all retired with me?
I know some astute BOC’er will produce an exact comment of mine from way back when it was announced the most basic of LE protocol escaped nine separate LE agencies.
I do not believe that basic functioning information can be lost this way and not recreated.
B
@Kat says:
October 2, 2012 at 10:53 am
RedRose says:
October 1, 2012 at 10:22 pm
(snipped) “I think this is my frustration with the lop-sided, re-hash job done by AMW—-there is so much more. If only a local reporter would be able to do an in depth look at this case — hour long special, not focused on car shows and coloring contests, but re-enactments and hearing afresh from those originally interviewed, reviewing timelines for all, and actually hearing from LE what progress has been made —-granted I stand about as much chance of winning the lottery!”
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I was not impressed with the AMW segment on Ky-Ron and most of it was old information. I wonder why a local reporter has not jumped on the chance to do an up-to-date piece on Kyron, and MCSO’s activity or non-activity to date. I’ve emailed MCSO several times asking for a public update on Kyron’s disappearance. The PIO sends back the same answer “this is an active investigation”. So be it…
As of June 25, 2010, LE had not taken (their) computers from either house, per this interview with Kaine & Desi. Because of the way it’s questioned and answered, we do not know if they were referring to Terri’s or Tony’s computer as well.
(Courtesy of Websleuths and BeanE’s transcription):
June 25
Kaine: (regarding postings by Terri on Facebook) …but we didn’t know he was missing until Friday afternoon.
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Reporter: And finally, as far as cooperation with investigators, have they had to search your property or execute (unintelligible) search warrants (unintelligible) your property?
Kaine: They’ve asked to search the property. We’ve opened the doors, let everybody in, multiple times, and we’ll do it as many times as it takes.
Desiree: Yeah. It’s part of the investigation. It’s standard protocol.
Kaine: Yep.
Desiree: And we’re willing and cooperating.
Kaine: Yeah. No warrants.
Desiree: Yeah.
Reporter: No warrants?
Desiree: mm mmm (negative)
Reporter: Did they take any of your computers or anything, or…?
(Desiree looks down.)
Kaine: No, just searching the property.
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977
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Also June 25:
Reporter: Detectives have told us many times that in this case they’re leaving no stone unturned. Have they searched your homes, your cars and your property?
Desiree Young: They haven’t needed to search our house as of yet. But they’re welcome to. Anything that they need to do, we’re definitely letting them do.
Reporter: Kaine, can you talk about your property?
Kaine Horman: Yeah, they’ve been down to search many times and they’re welcome to search many more times. Whatever it takes to find him.
Reporter: Actually in the house, as well?
Kaine Horman: Yes.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zG-ysJl51owJ:websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D5828811+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
@Blink. re: “I do not believe that basic functioning information can be lost this way and not recreated. ”
Per that CEU teacher I heard Sat, it would not be lost. It could be retrieved. Imo It is insane if it wasn’t. Call
it the human factor. Imo also insane all 4 “parents” communications (cell/computer, work site and personal) were not subpoenaed at isp server level.
Exactly.
B
January says:
October 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm
“Do either of you (redrose, wpg or anyone else for that matter) notice plaid on the guy to the left?”
January, I’m pleading the 5th on that one.
I can’t see his jacket at all, so he could very well be the same Man from Plaid as Blink says per her response regarding frame relay, meta data and all that digital photo jazz.
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Blink,
However . . . I am wondering about the 2 girls.
Were the 2 girls identified?
Thank you.
I really don’t have an opinion about Mr. No-Body or Mr. Headless Plaids-Man. I DO believe, though, that people from Skyline School would recognize Mr. No-Body (or Mr. Floating Head); just nobody is sayin’ anything.
I see where the diorama has a reflection in one picture, so that’s probably why she moved the camera for a different angle. I also believe that she would have taken more than just 2-3 pictures.
I had a different thought – regardless of TMH’s feelings about Kyron. I just can’t believe that a person who “hated” that little boy would so lovingly help him prepare a science project, almost up to the day of the SF. (I also posted earlier that I didn’t see how someone who was supposed to “hate” that little boy would take so many happy pictures).
Anyway, the SF project obviously had a lot of help from a grown-up person and is very nicely done. I’m sure Kyron had a great time helping put together the “little boy” things on it, but she had to also help him with his research. I just don’t see Kaine doing it.
So this is my question: how could she spend all that time with him on his project and then – suddenly that morning – just snap and do whatever it is she is supposed to have done. I just really think someone was revenging her for something, or maybe Kaine.
Or – as I think is quite possible – maybe there was an upper class bully who took a dislike to Kyron and did something, suddenly and irreversibly. And the parent might know or suspect but just doesn’t want to face it or give up her own child.
I guess anything is possible – except identifying Mr. Floating Head or Mr. Body Only. Someone at the school would know who they are, just aren’t telling any of US.
@January says: October 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Blink, please close your eyes..
You can open your eyes now, Blink. LOL
@Rose says:
October 2, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Imo also insane all 4 “parents” communications (cell/computer, work site and personal) were not subpoenaed at isp server level.
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And immediately, I might add. Don’t LE agencies have some sort of standard procedures in cases like a missing child? If not, they sure as hell should. What about the school, same thing. If a child goes missing from a school, shouldn’t there be an immediate *lockdown* of all records? WTH.
Frustrating.
@MockingbirdSings says:
October 1, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Yes, I am.
Actually, MbS, I should have said yes, I am, two different people, I personally think the plaid is a woman.
@RedRose says:
October 2, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I really don’t have an opinion about Mr. No-Body or Mr. Headless Plaids-Man. I DO believe, though, that people from Skyline School would recognize Mr. No-Body (or Mr. Floating Head); just nobody is sayin’ anything.
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Am I the only one that thinks he is talking with someone? JMO, but it looks that way to me, talking to someone taller than a 7 or 8 year old. If that is so, then obviously, someone else who was at the school when that picture was taken (Friday? I am not sure now) knows who MM goatee man is and it’s not the person taking the picture. AMO
http://i46.tinypic.com/28tvxnp.jpg
I hope it’s okay to post a picture here. What I see is a person in a plaid coat bent over to the right of the picture, his/her rear end is toward the left. (Look at the curve of the arm, like his/her hands are resting on his/her thighs.) It also looks to me like this person may be a female, based on two factors, one the curve of the lower back and hiney, and two it looks like she has long dark hair, because around the top of the back of the jacket, the lines do not appear straight. But that’s JMO
Does anyone know what if anything is going on in Desiree’s suit? Is the judge still waiting to hear from attorneys on the three questions he asked?
I am starting at the beginning. Skyline School currently has 285 students enrolled per their website k-8. This has probably been touched on before, but what grades of students were participants in the science fair, was it exclusive to 2nd grade students only? Basically, this would give me a better idea of how many students were out and about in the hallways, etc. Were the science fair projects displayed in one area only, ie. gymnasium. I see chaos – students in the halls, science fair project area, some outside as seen by the landscaper, bathrooms, getting drinks of water…. and many proud parents taking pics, etc. This is what I don’ know – were older students mixed in with younger students this day?
I see that Ms. Porter is still assigned and teaches first grade. Where is the principal (at the time of Kyron’s abduction) of Skyline School now assigned or has he left the distrct and if so, why?
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/
Jden says:
October 2, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Did anyone take a 6/2010 screen shot of the Skyline School admin page, to compare to today’s list?
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@Jden
Skyline Elementary School Staff for the 2009 -2010 year
Ben Keefer – principal
Susan Hall – principals sec.
Scott McBeth K/1
Mrs. Easter Matthews K/1
Mrs Linda Cole K/1
karen Hanson 2/3
Kristina Porter 2/3
Melissa Ritter 2/3
Jessica Bostick 4/5
Vivian Covin 4/5
Jill Kooning 4/5 (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Brian Gardes lang arts/soc studies 6/7/8
Katrina Frischmann Math/Sci 6/7/8
Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8 (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Mrs. Skach lib/tech
pe= mrs Joanne Romanaggi
ms. stephanie Cox – counselor
kenny Moylan head custodian
vickie Ibarra Evening custodian
Diane jones= cafeteria manager
Lou Terrones= resource teacher
Amy Kasch lang. pathologist
Nancy Yates – school psychologist (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Mark Valeske – occ therapist
Alayna Pettingill para educator
Tersea Gonzales para educator
Robert Salvia para educator (NOT THERE IN 2010-2011)
Deborah Meskimen para educator
@RedRose-
If you look at the pictures of the bridge project in TMH’s FB albums, you will see comments from Terri regarding her opinion on adults helping too much with their kids’ projects. Also, she claims in the comments on the Red Eye Tree Frog project that Kyron pretty much did it himself and that she helped with laminating, I believe. IMO, Terri appears very concerned about the opinions of others and it does not surprise me that she would try to project the happy family image, with pictures, etc. I don’t think Terri snapped that day. If she was involved, then I think it was planned. It was said that Terri had changed after Kiara’s birth. Maybe she did try to be a good stepmother to Kyron, but maybe her feelings or mental state changed when Kiara was born.
IMO, I have to say it is all so strange, the perfect project, the CSI t-shirt, the very convenient confusion surrounding the Dr.’s appt.
lyla says:
October 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm
@Kat says:
October 2, 2012 at 10:53 am
RedRose says:
October 1, 2012 at 10:22 pm
(snipped) “I think this is my frustration with the lop-sided, re-hash job done by AMW—-there is so much more. If only a local reporter would be able to do an in depth look at this case — hour long special, not focused on car shows and coloring contests, but re-enactments and hearing afresh from those originally interviewed, reviewing timelines for all, and actually hearing from LE what progress has been made —-granted I stand about as much chance of winning the lottery!”
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I was not impressed with the AMW segment on Ky-Ron and most of it was old information. I wonder why a local reporter has not jumped on the chance to do an up-to-date piece on Kyron, and MCSO’s activity or non-activity to date. I’ve emailed MCSO several times asking for a public update on Kyron’s disappearance. The PIO sends back the same answer “this is an active investigation”. So be it…
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“I wonder why a local reporter has not jumped on the chance to do an up-to-date piece on Kyron, AND MCSO’s activity or non-activity to date.”
Great question, and maybe someone local should just come out and ask James Pitkin this question. Maybe a non-team player holds the answer to the silence. (Why am I suddenly hearing Simon & Garfunkle music? “Hello darkness my old friend……”)
Everyone, and then some.
Cindy says:
October 2, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The principal was promoted, IIRC to a middle school.
Cindy says:
October 2, 2012 at 9:34 pm
@Cindy. Mr Keefer transferred to another pps school in 2011-12 where
he remains, a position which seems essential experience for his upward trajectory.
@cd. Selim Masic was janitor til about Apr ’10 when he
transferred to another el ed & Moylan came. No reason
known but I never blamed him as I’d hightail it out of the green team’s
extra workload too (slops & all). He came back & helped after Kyron’s
disappearance til school was out.
IIRC Middle years (IB display) were in gym &
younger were in their classrooms, though someone
recently brought forward electrics were grouped in a room
near Kyron’s (?)
What if someone who saw SZ with Kyron confronted him?
What was SZ prepared to say or do?
@Rose says:
October 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
(snipped)
IIRC Middle years (IB display) were in gym &
younger were in their classrooms,
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Never heard that before, that’s interesting. TK said he saw Kyron in the gym amongst other kids. If what you’re remembering is true, is it possible that the older kids, i.e. kids in the gym, were on a different class schedule than the the younger ones that day? If their projects were more elaborate and therefor set up in the gym, were they required to return to class at 10:00 like the younger ones? Could it be Kyron was just running amok amongst a bunch of older kids. Kyron did have two older brothers and was used to be with them. Hmmmmm, interesting.
@ RedRose says: October 2, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I completely agree RedRose…I spent an hour or so the other day looking through Terri’s facebook page and reading all the comments next to photos she had posted. Pictures dating back a long time. I was struck by the overwhelming amount of smiles.. lots of family activities and what appeared to be an active mom.. not woman, MOM. Of course her private life tells another story. Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hide or great mom by day, and ?? by night? It is impossible for me to believe she killed Kyron or turned him over to people who would abuse him. However, it isn’t impossible for me to believe she inadvertently let the vimpire in. I might even go as far as believing she may have a hunch as to who took him and/or why.
I guess I should clarify: Dr. Jekyll Ms. Hide
Rose says:
October 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
The janitor can be the eyes and ears of the school, just as a cleaning person in an office environment. With that said, was Moylan at the school at the time of the abduction? Could he be a witness?
Also, thanks for confirming that the science fair was going on for the entire school, big endeavor I must say. Now, I am a bit confused, where was Kyron’s display set up if the younger kids were in the classrooms?
@T. Ruth – I take it as fact that TK saw Kyron in the gym. There would have been lots of people in that gym. As you say, he had older brothers so he probably may not have been intimidated by older children. Does the gym have exit doors? Could this be the location that Kyron would have exited from with the perp?
Another question, were any other children marked absent that day?
imo, Desiree Young IS trying to move this case forward.
imo, the “multiple” emails could very well show motive and intent.
imo, it will not be difficult in civil court to prove the likelihood of who sent them.
imo, there exists the possibility that one of the email recipients may have a connection to a SZ . . . or, if TH vocalized in person the same sentiments to someone(s), that “someone” may have the connection to SZ.
imo, one of the possible reasons that Desiree did not participate in AMW (if she was approached) is that she is involved in an active litigation with a potential jury, and her attorney would have advised against it. Kaine’s case, on the other hand, is in abatement and there is no jury.
IIRC the Skyline Resource teacher, Terrones, appeared on the staff list at Keefer’s school this year.
Misc:
p3 of 4: Hank Fore, Comcast, Principal for a Day at Skyline, Class of 2010 (I presume Skyline participated other years) Foundation fundraising have turned schools into sieves imo.
http://www.thinkschools.org/uploads/File/2010%20alumni%20list.pdf
Keefer’s mother is a 65 yo Portland principal:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stevie-newcomer/11/2a1/98a?_mSplash=1
http://www.mylife.com/c-1364603411
She’s an MSW and formerly coordinated deug prevention for PPS (likely formerly a counselor?)
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/OADAP_1994_youths_091395.html
now it’s more understandable a counselor got promoted to Skyline principal this year.
She worked with interesting populations. Principal arpound 2006ff at Paulng Academy, Roosevelt High. Was at Metropolitan Learning Ctr. I wonder if her high school students, or their parents, knew where her son was principal, and if any had an axe to grind?
People talk about Maxine & Lynn, but Jennifer wrote lots of articles, snips here from google search of her name:
“Hundreds pray for Kyron’s safe return
http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/…/print_ …
Jun 14, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson … “key locations” around the school and do secondary interviews of students, staff and volunteers. … “We’re resolute in bringing Kyron home.”
“Investigators say Kyron’s family cooperating as search …
http://www.sandypost.com/…/story_2nd.php?...
Jun 18, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson … Kyron’s biological mother and stepfather are still in Portland as …”
“Web chatter can aid or impede investigations”
http://www.tigardtimes.com/…/story_2nd.php?...
Jun 24, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson …. Prayers and lectures wont bring Kyron home either! … The public aided SAR volunteers with housing and meals and logistical support.”
“Kyron’s father files for divorce, moves out of NW Portland …
http://www.thetribonline.net/…/story_2nd.php?...
Jun 28, 2010 – Reporters Jennifer Anderson and Kevin L. Harden and Fox 12 contributed to this news …”
“Family optimistic that Kyron still alive; they implore …
http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/…/story. …
Jul 1, 2010 – ‘We’re not letting him leave the house ever again’. By Jennifer Anderson. The Portland …”
“Kyron is just one of many missing kids
http://www.portlandtribune.net/…/story.php?…i...
Jul 8, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson … part of the investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance.”
“Sheriff says thousands of tips on Kyron case still coming in
http://www.portlandtribune.net/…/story.php?…i...
Jul 24, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson … for 7-year-old Kyron Horman and continues to follow those …”
“Dueling TV appearances show Kyron’s parents at odds
thevig.portlandtribune.com/…/story.php?…
Nov 15, 2010 – By Jennifer Anderson … alone on a foggy Monday morning at Kyron’s Wall of Hope …”
“A year later, Kyron’s disappearance still a painful story
thevig.portlandtribune.com/…/print_story…
By Jennifer Anderson. The Portland Tribune, Jun 4, 2011, Updated Jun 4, 2011. ( news photo) …”
worth reviewing. Beejay brings over several postings by Neighbor re SF
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8661.235;wap2
must have been principal for a day at Skyline between Feb 1, 2010 to end of school year as he’d been a Calif resident until end of Jan 2010
http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/comcast-promotes-hank-fore-to-regional-vice-president-for-oregonsw-washington-81257752.html
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2010/01/25/story6.html
Rose,
Thanks for posting the link for beejay’s SM’s post with Neighbor’s comments.
Reading about 8th graders as chaperones or group leaders rings a bell for me but I can’t recall why.
Hmm.
@wpg. Desiree has to be as silent as Terri due to litigation imo.
Watch her surrogate Kelly, though, for comments.
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2010/06/missing-boy-kyron-horman.html
Reading that link from@Rose says:October 3, 2012 at 11:16 am
worth reviewing. Beejay brings over several postings by Neighbor re SF
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8661.235;wap2
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(which was very interesting, by the way), one of the links there sent me to that first one (posted at the top of this msg). Now I’m not really into the woo-woo esp thing (like tarot, etc.), remain a skeptic, but it was entertaining escapist reading while I’m having my morning cuppa.
It would be really nice if somewhere in all of these links and comments there was something that would finally get Kyron back to the folks who love and miss him.
I do think the Scared Monkeys posting are quite interesting. When I was reading about the housboat thumps and the cadaver dogs finding scents, I googled to see where 100 ft north of the bridge was, and wondered if it was in the vicinity of where DAD’s brother (or maybe DAD)lives. Now I’ve got so many windows open on my desktop, I might never get back here, so I’ll click “submit comment” before all of this gets lost somewhere.
Is it suggested that we all pretty much ignore the prophets and seers and esp-types as “wannabe crimesolvers”? I guess I don’t know if they ever help much, but maybe shouldn’t be totally ignored. Grain of salt, etc.
Rose says:
October 3, 2012 at 11:02 am
Keefer’s mother is a 65 yo Portland principal:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stevie-newcomer/11/2a1/98a?_mSplash=1
http://www.mylife.com/c-1364603411
She’s an MSW and formerly coordinated deug prevention for PPS (likely formerly a counselor?)
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/OADAP_1994_youths_091395.html
now it’s more understandable a counselor got promoted to Skyline principal this year.
She worked with interesting populations. Principal arpound 2006ff at Paulng Academy, Roosevelt High. Was at Metropolitan Learning Ctr. I wonder if her high school students, or their parents, knew where her son was principal, and if any had an axe to grind?
Rose says:
October 3, 2012 at 11:04 am
People talk about Maxine & Lynn, but Jennifer wrote lots of articles, snips here from google search of her name:
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Re Stevie Newcomer – never knew she was Ben Keefer’s mother. Worked with her, respect her work. She’s a very caring, competent person. Your “axe to grind” suggestion is a good thought, but in my experience, the populations she worked with, including parents, would have been much more direct and “in the moment” if they wanted to retaliate about something, which of course, does happen.
Coming from working in the culture of PPS, I’ve personally never seen Ben Keefer’s move as a promotion. As far as moving into administration, then yes, a wide variety of experiences are helpful, but not essential. A lot of administrators would not particularly desire to go to that middle school or any on “that” side of town, so I suppose it would be a good move in that sense. I loved working where I did because my passion was for counseling kids who didn’t have the opportunity to get that help any other way. The middle school he moved to would certainly have different needs from Skyline, but not necessarily different long term goals. Keefer may have wanted to go there for a variety of reasons and the same with PPS offering it.
Counseling isn’t a frequent path to administration according to my observations, but those I know that went that direction became good administrators. Administration just seems to need a different frame of mind, the willingness to sit in “endless” meetings, and the patience to listen to a lot of other administrators talking.
Re Jennifer Anderson – I have always liked her. She works for the Portland Tribune and was one of the few who reported fairly on the school and students where I worked. She was willing to follow up on our successes instead of only the negatives that always attracted the most attention. The other papers listed are also owned by the Tribune owners. I think she is very caring and would do a great job with a Kyron follow-up story, although I don’t know to what degree she is a risk taker or has the contacts Maxine has.
Also not on the TF list as being there that day, was Vickie Coghill, who IIRC would pick up the scraps from lunch to feed her pigs. Today, I came across this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Helvetia_Neighborhood/message/9
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:36:26 AM
Subject: Lost Sheep
September 14, 2011
LOST SHEEP
Group of five. Missing from the upper Rock Creek Road area. If seen please contact Vickie Coghill 503xxxx or Ras Sauer 503xxxx or 503xxxx
Thank you.
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I don’t know who Ras Sauer is but I wondered if perhaps he had picked up the scraps for Vickie but he’s not on the list either. I saw when looking around he is one of the people who arrived to help control crowds at Brooks Hill Church during the first week of press conferences.
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=318421231506247
Also I found this (from 2008), the frog thing just jumped out at me.
http://srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR1108web.pdf
Ras Sauer was honored with frog memorabilia and a
touching tribute given by Becca Kelvin for his many years
of volunteer service and helping with the games. Ras
stepped down this year as the games coordinator but he
still attended the gathering and had fun with all of us.
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Anywho, I just wonder who picked up the scraps that day, since Vickie is not on the TF list. Isn’t Rock Creek Rd. one of the places that was searched extensively?
I keep thinking about Staton saying something like “there are so many layers to this…..”
I’m anxious for Blink’s part 2 and the shedding of light on June 4, 2010. Also for Desiree’s trial to move forward (I hope it does). I don’t seem to be able to see the dockets anymore, looks like MC has changed the way you can look up court proceedings and doing future searches seems to cost $$.
I’m still reading the Tarot Lady, who wrote:
The page of swords swings a ‘stick’. Sometimes it is thought of as a sword, but other times can be thought of as a golf club.I do not know America, but I did put in
SW Golf Creek Dr, Portland, Washington, Oregon 97225, United States
into google.
Right next to this place is a Railway. It may mean something or nothing. further to the right is washington park zoo rail.
The link from previous msg:
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2010/06/missing-boy-kyron-horman.html
Anyway, I don’t know where this lady is from but this location has the MAX light-rail line running just to the south of these apartments.
These posts by this tarot lady are from 2010 until 2012. I’m still in 2010, but probably shouldn’t post more here, because I don’t know how reliable these kinds of links are. Probably not at all.
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kristian_horman_kyron_hormans.php
Just speculating here.
What if TMH found out about Unka K doing The Bad Thing to little girl relatives – the date was fall of 2009, I think, and he was jailed in June 2010 (wonder if he’s out and back up to No Good?)
…and just what if — TMH might have been worried about Kyron and his sister (maybe TRULY cared about him), maybe a situation pooh-poohed by dad KH, so she decided to take matters into her own hands to protect him from Pervs, maybe asked a friend DDS to help out. Maybe DDS (who would have been recognizable to Kyron) got him out of the school and into the truck, and sent him off somewhere where they thought he would be safe. Don’t know where, though, or with whom.
and then everything snowballed when they couldn’t come up with a reasonable explanation, plus suddenly realizing they had done something illegal – like kidnapping?
Did anybody ever figure out if TMH could have been able to legally adopt Kyron, or was she always the non-family custodian only, not an actual parent to Kyron? Because if so, she could be held for kidnapping? Is that right?
Sorry I’m kind of monopolizing this batch of msgs. Just really wish they could find Kyron, and find him in good health.
Cindy says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:55 am
Rose says:
October 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
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Also, thanks for confirming that the science fair was going on for the entire school, big endeavor I must say. Now, I am a bit confused, where was Kyron’s display set up if the younger kids were in the classrooms?
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@Cindy
Keep in mind that although Skyline is K-8, it is less than half the size of your average elementary school. Greatschools.net reports Skyline has 285 students enrolled.
I e-mailed Jim Redden from the Portland Tribune about Kyron’s case as he did a remarkable story on the Ward Weaver case.I asked him to consider looking into Kyron’s disappearance but never heard back from him.
I have read here since the beginning, but never posted. I am a long time mom and teacher.
Is it known whether or not TH ever applied for a teaching job at Skyline?
@MBS. imo any high level administrator needs a principal’s resume with time leading a primarily low-income, and primarily minority school of a much different type than Skyline as well as much larger than Skyline.
Moreover his current school is Middle (watch for the next step to be High School) and has many diverse nonprofit
partners on site to manage. I’m looking for him to hit Asst Supt level before he leaves PPS.
@Cindy. All of info re Sci Fair is in Blink’s first thread.
Many of us go back & re-read comments occasionally
to refresh ourselves.
Panda, I just read about TH being turned down by Skyline:
Posted above ^^^ by Rose – posting thread on SM by Beejay
original posts (Neighbor – who posted on BOC)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8661.235;wap2
Neighbor said: Jul 30, 2010 – 12:07:26
WonderingAlot says “Do you know if she volunteered any time at school this school year? If she didn’t, I’m wondering why?” I have not seen her. Maybe she stopped doing it after PPS turned her down for a job.
Just speculating.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/comment-page-40/#comment-1612336
@January. Didn’t a friend of hers
say she pointed to Rudy to LE?
@Panda. That’s not known. Neighbor, an imo credible blogger, said she’d been turned down by PPS, not Skyline.
But Neighbor also made clear she didn’t know the Hormans and wouldn’t have known or recognized Terri if she saw her at school.
Therefore, I’d put even the PPS comment (which omits what job, what school, was it wired, etc) solidly in the random very distant rumor column.
@ Rose says:
October 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm
@January. Didn’t a friend of hers
say she pointed to Rudy to LE?
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I wonder if we might hear more about the mfh plot in Blink’s part 2? Hope so.
nope, #3. Thanks for the patience everyone, I have also just learned I may be traveling on a case next week so no throwing maters
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