Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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“Rose says:
March 24, 2013 at 12:08 am
speculation. In 2009 Moawad was the DDA on the Homicide Cold Case Unit. She lost a high profile cold case.
She won an animal cruelty high profile case. She was assigned to the Child Abuse Unit O’Donnell had been on 5 years. At least recently she’s drafting affidavits for this case for DA. How did O’Donnell get moved from the Child Abuse Unit to Kyron ‘s case in June 2010? Maybe Moawad was the DDA assigned & having begun to work with him in the CAU requested him and/or vice versa. It’s interesting Lt Walls who was in charge of the Cold Case team is side by side with Staton on Kyron in Oct 2010. Apparently Sgt Krafve was made a Supv by 9/15/10 (the Task Force). Is O’Donnell still the full-time Detective grade..”
i was checking a story on the elliot suit against mcso and found a few things first a reader comment:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/03/kaine_horman_father_of_missing.html
vwoolfOh. And Lynn.
We all know about the tremendous Overtime that the MCSO racked up in June, 2010.
But I just got word that Underhill and Fink brought in 7,191.00 each in overtime in the first two weeks. And Moawad pulled in the same.
Could you as Maxine to do a story on this? And whether they are still racking in this kind of exhorbitant pay.
What is the money going toward? I’m sure Maxine, with her savvy, can explain without tainting the investigation.
Really. Taxpayers want to KNOW….
and this post:
Cherylcfvwoolf, if you will recall the other year many making comments on here were asking about the exhorbitant over time pay being paid in the first two months alone in this case but Maxine did not address the queries. I had presumed at the time that since the OL was a ‘team player’ was the reason the request was ignored.
However, I have since been re-reading Brett Elliott’s Complaint filed in his Federal Whistle Blower lawsuit filed against the Sheriff’s office in May of 2012 and read the below on page 25 of his 44 page Complaint:
“….In
January 2012 Captain Elliott
complained
about an officer who requested 300 hours of
overtime during a time period when normal officers were getting only 230 hours of straight time.
The number of hours was outrageous and inexplicable. This was part of
an ongoing problem with Staton and Moore management which has resulted in extraordinary overtime expenses by line officers who are making 140,000 to 180,000 a year. Media made several public records requests for overtime information but Staton and Moore responded that information was not available and declined to make it available. This was untrue and Staton failed to comply with legitimate lawful public records requests. ..
.”
Thus, the OL may have requested information re overtime paid on this investigation and been denied any information. When, in fact, if you’ll note the last sentence above “… comply with legitimate lawful public records requests.”
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/.
but actually reading the suit complaint was disturbing and i worry that that is the problem with the investigation and the delays and postponements in the kyron investigation.
more on elliot investigation
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/BrettElliottcomplaint.pdf
#43 page 18
these extreme and illegal management decisions by Moore and Staton were designed soley to cause Elliot extreme discomfort, forcing him to resign and were in punishment for Elliots attempt to make complaints about corruption in the Sheriff’s office.
#49 page 20
At this time no other officer within multnomah county has come forward to complain about the unethical and illegal actions by Staton, Moore or Reiser because of what has happened to Captain Elliot-a decorated hero. At court on oral argument on the last round of motions, counsel for Multnomah County, Ms. Morf, advised Plaintiff counsel that the sheriff just wanted Elliot to retire and “go away”
50 page 20 “on july 6,2010 sheriff staton and moore moved the demoted captain elliot to river patrol in a remote office and location. other officers made comments to elliot about the retaliation and were in fear for their own jobs as they perceived how far the sheriff was willing to go to punish and abuse his subordinate staff. this move was retaliatory and punishment.
#51 There were no other captain demontions. The excuses given by Defendant Staton were contrived and the demotion was further punishment to retaliate against Plaintiff for exposing criminal activity by defendants Moore, Skipper, and Reiser.
#62 page 25
information about overtime misuse and the fact that Staton refused to release public records even though media made requests for overtime information.
83 page 35 whistleblowing violations multnomah county
dated may 8 2012
michelle r burrows
atty
portland
case no 3:11-cv-1526ST
district court multnomah division
oregon lives story about charges
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/whistle-blowing_lieutenant_sue.html
and in the comments:
I worked in the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office for just under 3 years, before quitting recently out of disgust for the corruption and mismanagement I witnessed. I have no doubt that all of Brett Elliot’s allegations against Tim Moore are 100% true. The reason DPSST and the DA’s office found no evidence of official misconduct is likely because they didn’t know what data to request. However, the issue of Moore’s training (or lack of it) seems trivial compared to other things going on there, such as ghost employees, employees with conflicts of interest, falsification of budget/accounting documents, nepotism, back-door hiring practices, abuse of civilian employees, failure to adhere to “best practices,” and so on. We always joked around the office that one day we’d all come to work and the place would be crawling with investigators from the Dept of Justice and the FBI. For sake of the citizens and taxpayers of Multnomah County, I hope that day comes sooner rather than later.
excerpts from captain elliots case:
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/BrettElliottcomplaint.pdf
#43 page 18
these extreme and illegal management decisions by Moore and Staton were designed soley to cause Elliot extreme discomfort, forcing him to resign and were in punishment for Elliots attempt to make complaints about corruption in the Sheriff’s office.
#49 page 20
At this time no other officer within multnomah county has come forward to complain about the unethical and illegal actions by Staton, Moore or Reiser because of what has happened to Captain Elliot-a decorated hero. At court on oral argument on the last round of motions, counsel for Multnomah County, Ms. Morf, advised Plaintiff counsel that the sheriff just wanted Elliot to retire and “go away”
50 page 20 “on july 6,2010 sheriff staton and moore moved the demoted captain elliot to river patrol in a remote office and location. other officers made comments to elliot about the retaliation and were in fear for their own jobs as they perceived how far the sheriff was willing to go to punish and abuse his subordinate staff. this move was retaliatory and punishment.
#51 There were no other captain demontions. The excuses given by Defendant Staton were contrived and the demotion was further punishment to retaliate against Plaintiff for exposing criminal activity by defendants Moore, Skipper, and Reiser.
#62 page 25
information about overtime misuse and the fact that Staton refused to release public records even though media made requests for overtime information.
83 page 35 whistleblowing violations multnomah county
dated may 8 2012
michelle r burrows
atty
portland
case no 3:11-cv-1526ST
district court multnomah division
Elliot won according to the ww report
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20125-overtime_busts.html
Her practices were brought to light by Elliott, who filed a federal whistle-blower lawsuit against the department last May.
Elliott alleged he was retaliated against and demoted to lieutenant after accusing that Undersheriff Tim Moore of fabricated documents to earn state law enforcement certification. A state investigation cleared Moore. Elliott’s case settled in August, with the department reinstating his rank of captain and awarding him $80,000. Elliott is now officially retired from the sheriff’s office.
He won a whistelblower suit but with a finding of no-wrongdoing? How does that work? When did MCSO file for cert?
I am still not clear as to how this is even their jurisdiction.
B
Shout out to Bunch Houze and that civil suit attorney, whoever he was (Wagner?). For Terri’s custodial interference &/or tort suit against any of several gov’t entities & persons, here’s who needs to be deposed about their early day to day actions and decisions and contact with each other & their professional records subpoenaed for June 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 etc day by day (esp their emails & texts): Woods the Senior DA in charge of the CAU, Moawad a DDA in the CAU, O’Donnell a 5 year detective member of the CAU & prominant lead Detective in Horman case.
Your depos do not need to focus on RS & the mfh. That’s a red herring. They need to focus on why these 3 CAU personnel were heavily involved in, if not leading, the investigation from 6-/5 on and the decisions they made focusing the investigation on the family & TMH. to the exclusion of others.
Why were they in charge? What discussions did they have with each other? Your probable cause? The overtime records.
I had thought O’Donnell was loaned to this case from CAU or got a promotion or reassignment to Homicide.
Based on Woods’ & Moawad’s involvement, imo the investigation of Horman was led at line level by CAU from 6/5 ff
until Sept 15 (“Task Force”). Idk what fbi/dea role was, but they were not lead.
What triggered Staton & Shrunk assigning CAU personnel (at a minimum O’Donnell) as leads from June-Sept?
Speculation:
the Previous complaint re Terri? (dui, James)
the interview Eval of Porter re Terri (CAU always believes the teacher)
Complaints & beliefs of Youngs?
Stupidity?
Here’s the investigatory impact:
–no stranger abduction alert
–no school witness interviews til Sunday
–no securing & processing crime scene
–telling witnesses no cause to worry, it’s a family thing, we’re looking at Terri
(even if they didn’t tell witnesses that, to the extent the questions themselves focused of Terri & the quality of her interactions with kids & others would do that)
–telling parents their kids were safe
I am not sure I am following but have a bit of a bug today- why wouldn’t CAU be lead? It is protocol in many jurisdictions, in fact, it was for the CA case as well?
B
the above are my lay opinions only after reading public docs, including overtime billing & based on Blink’s report on what some interviewees were told, & locals like Neighbor’s postings.
Here’s my opinion on another Woods case where the CAU, per mother & others, acted to separate a mother (who states it was despite her cooperation and her standing as a credible community member) and her newborn from prior to birth and to any findings of fact as to her abuse or neglect (per mother), to the extent of allegedly sending from DHS a cold call letter to a distant relative to inquire about adoption interest:
Wood’s work in this case http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/portland_lawyer_being_brought.html
a new mother’s statement of how Wood’s CAU operates:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/2009/02/amanda-stanley.pdf
Now this mother is all wet due to
1) husband myopia
2) thinking she could write her own safety plan & do his drug testing
3) fleeing with baby
But the Wood-led CAU was off the reservation on the public facts due to
1) the baby was a newborn (letter from DHS went to an attenuated cousin asking if she wanted to adopt per a blog) mother had no history of abuse/neglect.’separating her from a newborn due to who the Dad is, without more, was professionally wrong.
2) she was not living with Dad.
she filed, she said, for sole custody.
3) she cooperated to extent she took & purportedly passed a psychological
which really couldn’t be required by cau in the first place as she had no charges
much less findings of abuse or neglect
4) no casework with her is reported to maintain the child with her
a) Dad was not living in home
b) he could have been required to have regular random drug tests by govt
c) cpsd could’ve put homemaker services in her home daily
d) parenting training 1 to 1 or class
e) therapy
they could have listed a number of hoops & services she had to comply with.
She’s right imo; they were going to separate her from her son without grounds.
Unfortunately her fleeing gave Woods all the ammo needed.
I forgot in my 10:24 am post:
Is it any surprise then given the at least 3 CAU personnel involved from June 4 or 5 in the investigation that this RO landed in the Chambers of a Judge formerly a DDA in the CAU?
I think Woods has been the CAU Supv a long time.
If so, she was likely the Judge’s Supervisor on his CA cases at one time.
p8 http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/docs/A148574.pdf
In 1995 Meisenheimer was callec a Sen Dep DA (now Woods title) testifying on matters of child porn
also in 95, a cite he was a CAU DDA: http://www (dit) highbeam.com/doc/1P2-23335872.html
Woods is captioned in the (nonappearing pic) on p122 of the
original CAU in the 90s
http://books.google.com/books?id=KkvHsnIIb90C&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=1995+charlene+woods+multnomah+da&source=bl&ots=Rq3FCZ6Ls7&sig=UiKpbrbuELfIgyjapzP43AypaqY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ih1PUbeiE6PE4AOF-IDABw&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ
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OR atty since 1984
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Wood listed on the CA Team testifying in 1997 http://arcweb.sos.state.or (dot) us/pages/records/legislative/legislativeminutes/1997/house/judiciary_sub_familylaw/hjudfl213.html
“dit” should be “dot”
had to do that to get urls to post
last wonder before I try to sleep when mice do:
Was Rackner, while a DA, ever assigned to the CAU?
Rackner firm came into being Aug 2005
https://www.osbar.org/publications/bulletin/05augsep/moves.html
public experience was in Marion Cty http://www.gremlaw.com/attorney-profiles/laura-e-rackner/
7 weeks since the February 4 hearing.
2 years, 8 1/2 months since Kyron was taken away.
3 years this month since the 40th birthday party.
How on earth would TJones know ANYTHING about TMH’s 40th birthday party or DDS gym habits? Yes, I’ve mentioned this a while back, but I’m still stuck on “someone” was feeding him the info and/or using his web account to post themselves.
There is something uncanny, imo, between TJones’ posts and the questions asked in deposition by DY’s legal to DDS.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.500
following entries from “godlikeproductions” posted on September 16 2010 at SM’s:
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TOM JONES
User ID: 1046928
9/16/2010 4:03 AM
“Where is Kyron;
Terri was seen by Dede crying real tears over all the things listed previously.
As far as Terri setting up Dede with someone from the property, Dede said she didn’t know terris acquaintences and highly doubts that is what happened.
According to Dede the people she met at the birthday party she would have easily recognized at the garden property due to the fact there were not many people there working before the 5th. And noone on the 5th either.
Dede says her last work day was June 5th, and her whole reason for being there was to help get the place ready for that day. She said she never worked on the property after.
Dede said she still is a gym member, but has not worked out at the Beaverton gym for years, and has not worked out at her gym since Feb 09
Dede saw all coworkers and owners before and after it was said she left the property and still does not know who said she had left the property according to her.
Dede says she got the internship on the property through her gardening mentor, and never met the owners before the arrangement was made to work on the property.
June 4 morning time line;
8am ate breakfast at home,
8:15 am she left home for the garden and called her father while on the way and talked and drove reaching the property at 8:45.
8:45 she hung up and changed into her gardening gear.
8:50 she knocked on the door of the house hoping she was not too early.
From 8:50 till 9:15 she was in the house talking with the owner.
9:15 to 10:30 she was working with a group of people in the green house nursery area.
She left the property at 4 pm and went home and showered then went to suhi land for dinner at Bridgeport then went back home and stayed there the rest of the night.
Dede is wondering what you mean by “next step”.?
She said she has not been told what the next step will be or what will follow. We are not sure what you mean.
Where’s Kyron, I hope that has helped answer some of your thoughts.”
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TOM JONES
User ID: 1060460
9/16/2010 5:12 AM
“What Dede has heard about Rudy Sanchez (RS) from Terri ;
She said that neither Terri or herself are convinced RS did something with Kyron but can see possible motive and opprotunity on his part.
According to Dede sometime around last fall Terri told her that Kaine was continuing to pressure her to get more done around the house and property and that Terri was thinking of hiring a landscaper.
Then later at the birthday party in march Terri told her that she had hired a landscaper and that he had assaulted her in a sexual manner. Terri then talked to her about RS trying to contact her afterwards by phone one morning while she was with a friend from the gym eating at a IHOP.
This friend was also at terris birthday party, Terri had told her about RS and what had happened so she took the call for Terri and basically told RS to piss off and to quit calling and leave Terri alone.
According to Dede when she stayed with Terri she told her more about her interaction with RS.
Terri told the investigators about RS and what had happened, they left and investigated RS.
He then later showed up at Terris trying to extort the 10G, which turned out to be the botched sting.
According to Dede they both suspect RSs motive could be that his ” machismo” was insulted when Terri rejected his advances and theorize that RS may have taken Kyron as revenge.
Considering his past record with children and his knowledge of the school grounds and operation, he would be comfortable there and if seen would be able to explained his being there rather easily because he had worked there.
They theorize when LE investigated RS infront of his family he came up with the MFH proposal of him by Terri, and then didn’t have much choice but to play along with the sting operation set up by LE.
He had to to save his own skin and keep his family, who is now unaccounted for. What happened to them and where is Rudy Sanches?
Hummmmm……..”
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Are you suggesting that DS was posting for TJ? Iirc, he turned on her and now thinks she is a suspect – and he himself is according to him. If this is the same guy we discussed him a while back and I want to say his wife died in a boating accident in which he was driving?
B
grasshopper, I deleted your post because unless you want folks to know your very personal intel, you posted enough for readers to know all that in 3 clicks, lol.
The savviest of researchers here, I promise.
So will say on your behalf that Rackner was a partner in family law in a different firm in the late 90′s.
B
“Are you suggesting that DS was posting for TJ?”
Nope, I’m simply wondering where TJ got the info from and if the posts played any role in DDS’s deposition. That deposition occurred the month before the “stay” and the stay occurred 2 weeks before the scheduled hearing on the 5th pleadings.
Other posts by “TJ” include bits on steroids, sexuality, and an ex-boyfriend. These “bits” sort of align to questions posed to DDS in DY’s civil case.
also . . .
“The sheriff said it does not include cell phone data or emails.”
Don’t know if Staton said the above in response to a direct question or something he put out there himself.
If he put it out there himself, it gives me pause to look at a “technical focus”.
Could website postings/communications fall under that category?
Thanks Blink! I do forget how awesome you all are at the research!
wpg says:
March 24, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Are you suggesting that DS was posting for TJ? Iirc, he turned on her and now thinks she is a suspect – and he himself is according to him. If this is the same guy we discussed him a while back and I want to say his wife died in a boating accident in which he was driving?
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IMO The posts this person have made on Olive are ridiculous. I believe this person has a mental health problem of some sort and I doubt if its Dede. If Rosenthal and Desiree thought to gain any information from this persons posts then they must have been really reaching toward the bottom of the barrel for clues.
I knew you would get there. Yes, I know. Caught it about 2 weeks ago and as a result have a few FOIA requests filed for that.
I am not at all comfortable posting that yet without the full monty if you don’t mind being patient.
B
@Blink. Oregon’s County-based “multidisciplinary teams” — DA, LE, cpsd hotline workers in Portland’s case.
http://www.oregon.gov/dhs/children/pages/abuse/cps/main.aspx#mdt Woods, Moawad, O’Donnell at least online belonged to this team. They investigate under a statute. idk Oregon’s statute, but IF they had the lead on Kyron’s
case from June 4 to the Task Force, it would have to fit the OR child abuse & neglect statute. Meaning their Supervisors decided very early on the abductor was a known parent or someone with legal custody who represented a threat to the child’s welfare under the statute.
The CAU detectives & DAs have no experience, unless they got it beforehand in another assignment, in nonparent abductions.
So with these 3 assigned, and O’Donnell lead detective, was it Staton or Shrunk who decided the weekend of June 5 this was a parental kidnapping that fit the OR statute & got Charlene Woods’ unit in on this personnelwise?
@wpg. My memory is on that crazy blog Mr Tom explicitedly said he was calling & interviewing DeDe to get her side, and he was putting it out there but was not asked to do so by her. He later said his friendliness to her was all his canny ruse to trap her as he always thought she was guilty as sin. (all those my words & memory, not his). He was the boat/death cousin.
Wpg, wrt depo, don’t you think Rosenthal’s associate used the same godlike productions transcript?
Congratulations to Stahancyk, Gearing, Rackner & Kent P.C., the family law firm that moved into its new digs at Athena Plaza from its former location on the second floor of Jackson Tower.
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2002/07/01/newscolumn2.html
University of Oregon School of Law Class of ’73
RSVP: Traci Williams at 503.546.4406
Stahancyk, Gearing, Rackner & Kent, P.C.
808 SW 15th Avenue
Portland, OR 97205-1907
(note the fine print – this site was brought to you by…)
http://oregonlaw73.com/event.html
@Blink. You asked why early on a stranger abduction & acquaintances and associates of all family members were not excluded in a school abduction/probable homicide? Imo that type of investigation was outside the frame of reference and professional experience of the Senior DA supervising the CAU & her attorneys & detectives, unless they got it elsewhere.
@Rose, You probably already found this:
Congregation Beth Israel’s Legacy Society
Laura Rackner and Brad Stanford
http://www.bethisrael-pdx.org/donate/cbi-legacy-society
@sam. I like the descriptions of
Staton’s personnel & personal
behaviors somewhere around p 23-24
kudos to Eliot. the only FBI-certified
(for what?) mcso LE per pleading
“Are you suggesting that DS was posting for TJ?”
B
Nope, I’m simply wondering where TJ got the info from and if the posts played any role in the formulating of questions for DDS’s deposition. That deposition occurred the month before the “stay” and the stay occurred 2 weeks before the scheduled hearing on the 5th pleadings.
Other posts by TJ include bits on steroids, sexuality, and ex-boyfriendJW. These “bits” sort of align to questions posed to DDS in DY’s civil case.
@sam hawthorne, TY for your posts. I no longer have any respect for Kyron’s MCSO team.
Ok, will keep an eye out. Obviously limited in my response on that.
B
cd,
fwiw, I’m not referring to posts made on OLive but posts made in 2010 on a site called godlikeproductions (glp for short). The posts were re-posted on ScaredMonkeys complete with links to the original glp posts.
The glp links no longer work because the thread was eventually taken down at glp (something about the postings being reported to the FBI or complaints that the postings would be reported to the FBI).
Looking at the content of just 2 post examples I posted upthread, both from September 2010, was TJ making it up, off the top of his head?
The questions that were posed in the deposition rang bells of familiarity that I had heard/read somewhere before.
Why does this matter to me? Because little Kyron Horman is still missing and when someone refuses to answer questions in the case of a missing child by pleading the 5th, it gives me pause, especially if that person has had the privilege of meeting and interacting with that child.
http://mcda.us/index.php/protecting-victims-families/child-abuse/
“The MDT Child Abuse Team Deputy DAs prosecute child homicides, physical abuse, and sex crimes committed **by family members**, and appear on dependency cases in juvenile court.”
On the other hand, likely I’m ancient & out of touch. Here a detective on the County Child Abuse team is investigating a sexual assault by a non-family member:
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/portland_police_look_for_other.html
Woods now a Chief Deputy with a broad portfolio
http://mcda.us/index.php/about-the-da/departments/
@erose. re invite fine print. sgr events llc was owned by Jody Stahancyk.
When the current firm was incorporated in 2005, it’s probably because she & Kent split & formed a different divorce firm, leaving G, R, & E to theirs.
Interesting the Athena new bldg of 2002 was co owned by the business of a noted hydro hog investor & herself.
She’s apparently a formidible pit bull divorce lawyer.
down in this Jan 2009 Newsletter from Sheriff Skipper we see he formed the Cold Case Unit & put the Captn in charge of Investigations Monte Reiser to staff it:
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs011/1102356663680/archive/1102361937905.html
Post-Eliot, he’s still a Captn but now in charge of civil process service.
MockingbirdSings says:
March 24, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Ok, will keep an eye out. Obviously limited in my response on that.
B
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@ Blink –
I wasn’t thinking you should do anything about it one way or the other. Trying to reread the comments and see if there is anything I know that I didn’t know I knew that would be helpful. If so, I will find a way to post. Just wanted you to know.
I was clear, protecting privacy in important to me, got it.
B
sam hawthorne provided this link
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/03/kaine_horman_father_of_missing.html
I had noooo idea . . .
Feel sick reading the comments.
Disappointed, too.
@Blink, Glad you’re on it. Thanks for being a great moderator.
the article with Desiree’s email story. Blink has a different count.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html
Also, Kaine’s “how I met Terri” story.
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One of Eliott’s 2 whistlebowing subjects Monte Reiser, then the chief of Investigations for mcso, appears all through the summer of 2010 as the media investigator briefer often standing in front of or side by side with Kaine. So idk why I thought it was the lead detective O’Donnell who briefed Kaine about the mfh & supplied the info for Kaine’s civil pleadings in 2010.
Here Reiser is with Kaine the day after the Sting:
http://www.allvoices.com/pictures/66547986-captain-monte-reiser-conducts-a-news-conference-regarding-the-kyron-horman-case-while-kyron
“Intercept” Monte Reiser again
http://www3.multco.us/budgetwebFY09All/PDF/60066C-MINT.pdf
See right side of this chart.
http://www.mcso.us/public/forms/org/0912.pdf
By Oct 10 Lt Walls had taken over the Investigation from Reisor as he testified on Kyron’s case to commissioners. Reiser at some point became Captn of River Patrol, Brett Elliot’s old exile or punishment site, Elliott claimed. Now Reiser is in charge of civil process serving. Can it get worse? Except he still has his rank & pay.
Imo Houze subpoenaed O’Donnell, but in terms of who
planned the Sting and who collaborated in Kaine’s marital exit, it was more likely Monte.
http://www.oregondivorce.com/resources/tech_cafe/games
TY for the link erose to the divorce firm whose partners split maybe
5 years before Kyron. (formerly sgr for short)
Above are computer games from S’s current firm.
her husband is in the business arbitration/mediation business.
They even host a client tech cafe.
above quotes one of my fav writers Dick Feynman -wow!
everything seems A+ from their client intake process
(an initial layer between attorneys & prospects)
to maintaining all client contact on a private server with devoted email accts.
Stahancyk seems the local Houze of divorce.
I wonder if Rackner Engel had a similar intake process in 2010.
answers to faq’s in Oregon about divorce & custody.
http://www.oregondivorce.com/faq#family_law_child_matters
says most contested divorces in OR conclude in 6-12 months.
I’m told that Det. Mark Herron is the one working the case, and Cold Case Supervisor Keith Krafke is the one overseeing him.
wpg says:
March 24, 2013 at 7:43 pm
The questions that were posed in the deposition rang bells of familiarity that I had heard/read somewhere before.
Why does this matter to me? Because little Kyron Horman is still missing and when someone refuses to answer questions in the case of a missing child by pleading the 5th, it gives me pause, especially if that person has had the privilege of meeting and interacting with that child.
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I could be that LE hoped to get TH behind bars so they could pull to jailhouse snitch routine on her by getting an inmate to cozy up to TH and get info out of her about Kyron.
When the sting failed to lead to TH’s incarceration then they could have decided to send in a snitch. Dede may have volunteered to stay with TH at Kaines/LE’s behest n order to glean information from TH.
Then when LE ask Dede for said info on TH she told them that TH did not say anything that LE could use to incriminate TH.
Since LE really did not have the same kind of leverage over Dede that they would have had over an inmate snitch they were not able to coerce Dede into to telling them what they wanted to hear or what they were sure she knew.
So they threatened to ruin her reputation if she didn’t spill the goods which what they did. I also think she was called to the GJ to instill fear in her.
Maybe the reason that Dede took the 5th in her depo with Rosenthal was that LE told her not to reveal their involvement in Dede staying at TH’s house after the failed sting. Because LE does not want TH to know that they were behind Dede’s decision to stay at the Horman residence.
This could be true or not or maybe a shade of both but another way of looking at Dede’s involvement in the disappearance of Kyron.
I really think as far as Kyron is concerned Dede = Red Herring.
JMO
thank you Grasshopper.
Nice to have continuity in Krafve’s Supervision, isn’t it?
Is Krafve assigned under Lt Walls, Investigations?
I wonder how long Det Herron has been on this assignment?
Media said when Sheriff Skipper formed the Cold Case Unit,
it was staffed initially with retired Detectives who returned.
@grasshopper. looking back to my post of 3/23, @11:21, I see I suvgested at Task Force formation 9/15/10 Lt Walls was the tippy top (Investigations), Sgt Krafve the Sgt Det (Cold Cases), and O’Donnell the full-time Det.
When did Herron replace O’Donnell? At Task Force formation? Apparently that was when Walls replaced Reiser.
So in mid-Sept 2010 a new team was in place. Whither the old theories?
Herron was on the job, directing a search, 1/30/11
http://m.topix.com/forum/city/portland-or-west-portland/T59KDA2H9OTRC8OTP
bad doings in the punkin’ patch 11/11/11. so how fulltime was Herron on Kyron in 2011, and is he a Sauvie territoryinvestigator?
http://www.kgw.com/news/Victim-beaten-cut-in-Sauvie-Island-robbery-133697663.html
is this the Union Presidency?
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=981645107&targetid=profile
his picture
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html
“very specific reasons” for search he says
per Desiree, she’d waited awhile for it
imo his are not the “fresh eyes” needed.
in 3/09, Herron was the Union (?) VP & a river patrol deputy – (not a detective? maybe worked under Eliott when he was head of river patrol?)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/03/group_fights_sheriff_cuts.html
way down…http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html Herron was search coordinator on the Task Force.
8/17/12 Herron handles other (fresh) murders
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Body-found-floating-near-Steel-Bridge-IDed/CmUBHh5TGkyJHOJmA5wExg.cspx
union repr
http://web.multco.us/sites/default/files/employee-labor-relations/documents/union_representatives.pdf
do they get the ot positions? (tongue in cheek)
http://www.mylife.com/c-1118525653 single?
5/8/11 updated July 12
He may have been search coordinator for Kyron on the Task Force, but by May he was functionally Deputy in charge of River Patrol with a busy summer ahead
http://www.opb.org/artsandlife/article/willamette-river-sees-calm-first-day-boating-season/
http://www.portlandtribune.net/news/story.php?story_id=124164479826420400
In May 2009 he’s been a long time River Patrol Deputy
Sorry, I see nothing in his record from the lead up to 09 thru 2011 qualifying him to investigate child abduction nor homicide. Assignment seems purely political
what gives with mcso?
no wonder Desiree was pissed.?
2006 river patrol
http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=99635
2007 river patrol
http://thetribonline.net/news/story_2nd.php?story_id=117780017006951400
2006 an old Reisor colleague:
http://web.multco.us/document/22350/download
“river safety including: Mark Herron and Monte Reiser from the County Sheriff’s Office…”
So Kyron’s investigative supv of summer 2010 M Reisor hands off to Krafve in 9/10, but his (at least 4-yr) river patrol mate is moved into the (cover someone’s A..) detective position
I think it’s possible that DDS took the 5th and TH would take the 5th, not because of what they know, but because of how the information (that they claim to have already provided) is construed by LE/DA.
An example:
Why did you have your phone turned off for several hours on Friday June 4, 2010?
A: I was working in dirt, mud and in some cases plant food/fertilizer, have no pockets in my pants and even if I had, I get pretty wet as well. I was , you know, planting stuff. I also do not take personal calls at work and my employer for the day was able to monitor me onsite so that was not an issue either.
So you admit nobody can verify your whereabouts from (x) to (x) at precisely the same time Kyron Horman goes missing and before anyone publicly knew. Where’s your other phone? Are you jealous of TMH because she can shed weight and you can’t? Did you want to be her? Were you having sex with TMH at the time in question?
A: For any future contact you require please do so through my attorney.
Not verbatim but I am willing to bet cash I am very close.
B
@Rose, Trying to figure out or follow that 2010 decision.
@erose. in vague outlines imo Reisor (an Elliott target) cane from Riverland summer 2010 to supervise (Lt level) the
investigation (and often meet press w/bios, and probably gave Kaine his sting/RO goods) and when the Task Force was formed in Fall, he returned to Riverland (now Civil Process or that too over both) tho Elliott was there s9metimr.
By task force time, tho orob begore, Reisor’s longtime (at least 2005) River Patrol comrade in arms Herron led search for Kyron – certainly under the Task Force era under Krafve (with Reisor back on River Patrol) – and now egads is the full time Kyron detective under the full-time Sgt Det Supv Krafve, with (is it 5?) part time Detecs per budget
Kaine & Desiree, did you want a full time homicide detective, major felony detective, or River Patrol?’
disclaimer, my interp of googled articles & job descriptions is always subject to major error as neither MCSO nor DA
briefs on job assignments & qualifications or quality & posture of investigation.
Well I can see a single detective of a certain age who’s
most at home on the River might question DeDe that way
i’m not Irish yet as the typos allude,
that’s “tho probably before” on Herron