Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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07-15-10
The birth mother of an Oregon boy missing for over a month said she believes the boy’s stepmother planned his disappearance just as the boy was asking to move out of the stepmother’s home.
She said Kyron was unhappy in his father and stepmother’s house, and resisted being returned there.
“Kyron became increasingly unhappy about not spending time with me,” Young said. “He wanted to come and live with us. Several times he would just break down and just sob because he wanted to stay.”
http://www.wpri.com/dpps/news/us_news/west/mother-says-missing-ore-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-planned-nt10-jgr_3482530
07-14-10
Desiree Young said she overlooked warning signs from her son before he vanished.
She described “red flags,” such as Kyron’s increasing unhappiness with returning to his father and stepmother’s Portland home after visiting his mother.
“He wanted to come live with us,” she said. “Several times he would just break down and sob because he wanted to stay.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html
Anyone remember when KH said in an interview that Kyron wanting to live with his mom was “no biggie?” Then in November (hateful emails & visitation hearing) life with TH was a living hell.
This post is specifically for Rose – others are welcome to read or scroll on.
@Rose – Not too long ago you were researching people and linked to a news story about a young woman whose newborn was taken into custody because of the father’s past history. I know this case quite well and have been thinking whether there is anything we could learn from it. Of specific interest is Charlene Woods.
First, let me say that your observations about the case were quite good given the limited information you had. I’d like to give you a bit more. The woman was married to the father of the baby, but they had not lived together for a while because he had been using meth, and were legally separated. She was a practicing attorney and had worked on her own with the hospital social worker and others to create a safety plan for the baby in the hospital and after. Custody of this baby was taken by the state because there was a previous case with the father and another woman and their baby who was physically abused and it had never been determined who was responsible so the case was still open (each parent blamed the other). The father voluntarily gave up his parental rights to that baby, so no treatment or intervention was ever done, therefore, he was considered a high risk now.
The woman attempted to show her plan to DHS and get feedback, but they said they could not open a case or work with anyone about a child until it was born. Once the child was born, she was served with a subpoena to appear in court. Because she believed she had tried to do what was right and did not want to cooperate with DHS in giving up legal custody of her baby, they considered her a risk as well. (Non-cooperation about anything with DHS is listed as a major risk factor.) Their conclusion was that her safety plan and personal judgment regarding the father wasn’t good enough (she continued to hope he would complete a treatment program).
This woman had never even had a parking ticket. At the first court hearing she was in a wheelchair and on pain meds from the C-section – she had left the hospital the afternoon before. She was allowed to keep physical custody of the child with family supervision. She began to have feelings of post-partum depression which the hospital had agreed to screen for, but didn’t. She would not tell anyone because she believed it would be the “last straw” and the state would take the baby away. The father and paternal grandmother both had their own disagreements with DHS about loss of the previous baby and quietly led her to believe another loss would be inevitable.
Her postpartum depression was unrecognized and untreated, and progressed to postpartum delusions. At the time she ran away, she believed the state was on the way to pick up the baby. At no time did she ever want harm to come to the baby, and she was still trying to breastfeed, but she simply could not think clearly. She thought she needed help from the father so she met him. When she attempted to change her mind and come back, he wouldn’t. When they reached the home of one of his relatives out of state, she turned herself in. In jail there, she was diagnosed with PPD but told she would not be treated until she returned to Oregon (a month later).
Short version of the next part – she spent 4 months in a local jail “because she might run away again”, waiting for some resolution to her criminal case. There were some visitations and tests and eventually treatment. While there, she tutored women working on their GED’s.
Rose – I hope you are still with me here.
The assistant DA in both the DHS custody case AND the criminal case was Charlene Woods. I was told by DHS staff that it was not common (no one could remember it happening) to have that position filled by the same person in both kinds of cases. I was also told Ms. Woods is known for “going after” child abuse cases and being very tough. As I recall, she was not the original person assigned to the family case.
Remember this woman was a practicing attorney so she clearly was not in her right mind when she used a small amount of client funds to pay for gas to run away and left an IOU that she would pay it back (which she did when she got back to town). (I’m not an attorney, but even I would know better than to write all that down even if I thought I had to do it.) This charge (theft) was dropped because no clients wanted to press charges or lost any money.
The remaining charge was taking the baby out of state without custody or permission. Ms. Woods insisted she would not plea bargain that to a lower felony in exchange for community service, and additional voluntary probation time. The judge argued for the plea bargain (Judge Bergstrom), the attorneys for mom and baby, and DHS, were in agreement, as were 2 women’s resource agency workers, family members, a psychologist, a pastor, and numerous friends. Only Ms. Woods refused. I thought judges made the final decisions, but apparently they cannot without the Assistant DA’s permission? I couldn’t find anything in writing about the “DA – Judge relationship” in decision making, but it seems rather scary to me.
So even though the woman had been an upstanding citizen with no criminal record, she is now unable to work at many jobs she is qualified for because of her record.
She didn’t expect to actually practice law in Oregon again, although history shows many cases of male attorneys who had addiction or mental health problems and were reinstated after appropriate treatment and petitioning, etc. She will never pursue that with the Oregon Bar out of concern for her child again being in the news, and because she will always be considered a “felon”.
She would not appeal her case at the time because she believed her child might be pursued by the media, and it was clear she would not be allowed out of jail until the case was resolved and she could start working on regaining custody. She did eventually petition (with a great deal of support) for a pardon with 2 different governors, but it is very clearly stated that the governor consults with the prosecuting attorney before making any decision. After some research into Ms. Woods’ statements and cases, it’s pretty obvious what her reply to the governor was and that her decision will not change. She seems to have built a reputation for this sort of “relentless pursuit” regardless of circumstances.
In my view, almost all the power in the DHS case and all the power in the criminal case belonged to Ms. Woods. I believe the child being returned to his mother was a result of specific legal steps that were diligently followed and presented in family court along with much documented personal support, and that had there been an opening to do so, Ms. Woods would have preferred to see the child adopted.
Knowing all this, I would say that if anyone wanted someone to go after Terri with or without evidence of child abuse or harm, they couldn’t pick a more determined person in a better position to do that than Charlene Woods. JMO.
Again, JMO – It’s quite possible her sense of mission would be enough to allow someone to use her in this way – I am absolutely NOT accusing her of being part of a plan or anything like that relating to TH. However, I do think she allows her mission as she sees it (whether to build her own reputation, right a “societal wrong”, or whatever) to get in the way of even considering whether justice is actually being served. In the above case, for example, the child suffered from the age of 2 months to 12 months by having his mother kept in jail instead of treated with proper medication, having to visit her in jail while being terrified of the loud noises and clanky sounds (a sensitivity which continues to this day), having to bond with someone else and then transition back to his mother, and living (now and in the future) with the economic uncertainty of a single mother whose earning power dropped dramatically. Yes, all that was a result of his mother’s actions and consequences were inevitable, but I believe the consequences were unnecessarily harsh and did not benefit the mother, the child, anyone related to the case, or society in general.
IMO, if Ms. Woods was or is in anyway involved in any aspect of the Horman case, she already has her mind made up about what should happen, and would be a formidable opponent in family or criminal court.
Wonder how much of the living hell could have been caused if TMH found out about KH and lots of various affairs, etc., especially afer she had cared for his little boy all those years, for him.
Depending on who was smarter and sneaker and crafter – and I don’t think it was her – she didn’t stand a chance.
…and we still don’t have little Kyron back. IOW if she had been a little smarter, if she could have protected Kyron in any way. But KH may have been faster, and smarter and cleverer, and angrier that she got pregnant without his permission (if that’s what happened….)
@erose says: April 6, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Anyone remember when KH said in an interview that Kyron wanting to live with his mom was “no biggie?” Then in November (hateful emails & visitation hearing) life with TH was a living hell
RedRose says:
April 5, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I think I’ve wondered a time or two if the Stenson, the groundskeeper, was totally cleared. It would be interesting to know when he left the school in his truck, and if Kyron might have been in there. I doubt Stenson would have entered the school (people would have said), but maybe if he had someone else in the truck, they could have gone in.
@T. Ruth says: April 5, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Thinking about the truck and another person in it: In the Press Conference one of the places they showed the truck is on the access road, and they are asking if anyone saw anyone in or around said truck.
If the truck on the access road was indeed Dave Stensen’s and not the Horman truck, and some witness had the two trucks confused, I wonder if that is one of the places that a witness said they saw another person in the truck. Was Stensen alone that day? Did he have a landscaper helper maybe? Just somethin’ I’d never thought about. Would be interesting to know if that is where one of the witnesses said they’d saw a second person.
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@red rose
If you mean “cleared by LE”…. no doubt. LE did NOT even interview him the weekend of the 4th of June.
His statement of when he left school changed after he volunteered to talk post the “presser” to get information on the white truck.
Don’t think, personally, he had anything to do with the investigation other then clearing up misconceptions by Underhill and Bobby and Bates.
Several things that struck me way back then….and actually confirmed, for me, that LE was completely out of touch with the reality of Kyron’s disappearance.
1. That Stenson had to come to THEM. Didn’t they even ask the principal: “Are there any other employees that were here that day?” Stenson was a “regular” part-time employee on contract from PP&R (Portland parks and rec)? (Kinda like, didn’t they tell Skyline to deliver to them the electronic records of the day?).
2. That the subsequent “conference” with Stensen, after they’d stated publicly that Stensen appeared credible……resulted in Stenson changing his time to further their “timeline” for TMH.
3. That the “white truck” red herring was jeopardized when Stensen came upon the scene. If you think about it, that presser on August 12th or so was the one in which a “witness” had come forward to state that another person might have been around the “white truck”. Therefore LE would have more of a case….the 2nd person could have “taken” Kyron, or taken him further away, while TMH was at her alibi….Fred Meyer’s.
But Stenson’s appearance became a problem.
4. Because what Stenson’s testimony really said to many was…..”Could the white truck not have been moved at all….but could someone have seen Stenson’s white truck instead. And could Stenson, himself, have been the dreaded/Dede 2nd person?”
Those being my thoughts way back when, Red Rose. And thank you for reminding me. I think you are dead right. And everything LE has done, has excused, has double-talked about and has NOT done (SRO’s etc)….just keeps me firmly entrenched in the Keystone Kops Screwed Up from the Get Go camp. BTW…I know one other person in my camp, LOL.
@erose. I thought Kaine was the barrier to a change in physical custody.
@erose. re the comment “Ahhh…There it is. RS was the unknown person in *a* white truck at Skyline School on 06-04-10.”
I thought they located him because Terri had pointed to him according to some friend of hers.
Uhoh. I fear I missed something. I was referring to the creepy wondering dude as noted by kids.
Not RS that I am aware of.
B
if mcso tracked down RS “about” June 18, my question is how could it have taken 14 days with the May 911 call & the home visit from LE to go to his home and check him out?? They knew his address. Why did they wait til the late date when they were distributing photos of her as de facto suspect to go check into a prior threatening person?
If LE was informed of the mfh about June 18, Kaine had his RO & divorce papers drawn up in 6 days, & he was ready to roll on the word of a landscaper he had wanted fired. I’d love to know who planned the sting.
Lt Ned Walls was mcso head of Investigations. Does anyone see where there were any consequences for the failed sting? What Dept does O’Donnell work in now?
revisiting re: “sam hawthorne says:
April 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
saw this on ws but I don’t know about the site and I cant follow up on it today, wondered if anyone else has heard of it?”
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5253270&postcount=251
06-05-2010, 06:46 PM
“pufnstuf’s
Kids on FB are discussing this case. They claim that there was a “creepy” man at the school walking around by himself. They also said that the school was open for people to come and go.”
***this comment was posted on june 5 2010 and the forum was discussing the upcoming press conference by the police. after the press conference that evening everyone’s attention turned to terri horman and I didn’t see more talking about this after that.
does anyone know if any other forums mentioned it? I wonder if any locals still have information on it. I wonder if it ever got discussed with the police or not.
I heard that Terri herself provided contact info for RS. If they took that long to contact him it was LE’s choice. As for consequences of failed sting, there appears to be no accountability for anything in this case.
@Rose, Am looking into A&R.
How did I give the impression I thought KH was not the barrier?
Rose says:
April 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Not necessarily mutually exclusive. There could have been more than one trail leading to RS’s door. Could be the way the article was phrased, but the reporter went from one subject to the other, as if they were interconnected.
Rose says:
April 6, 2013 at 9:21 pm
My guess, is the DEA planned the sting. Why would they go for the ride-a-long, otherwise? I am convinced by something Blink is requesting through the FOIA, that there is a good chance there is a drug component in this case. The original parallel investigation, IMO.
Rose says:
April 6, 2013 at 9:58 pm
@Rose, I am finding A&R with properties in the Pearl District, which is close to South Waterfront.
The Clyde Hotel
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2010/03/a_handful_of_aces_on_portlands.html
Dave Schrott
The property developers are area residents Robert Sacks and Dave Schrott of A & R Development.
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2008/06/02/daily36.html
WWeek on Con-Way
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-19295-welcome_to_con_way_t.html
fwiw
As a believer in the importance of schools for the future vibrancy of our community, I support Superintendent Carole Smith’s proposal for the much needed investment in infrastructure.
How unfortunate that a substantial portion of the price tag is unnecessary and wasteful. Not long ago we were presented certain facts regarding school enrollment and a recommendation that fewer schools are needed to most equitably and effectively serve the population. Now we are looking at spending hundreds of millions on buildings that will be underutilized. For me “Close the gap and not the schools” was a patronizing (as if the administrators are not wanting to close the gap), hollow, feel-good slogan. There are simply fewer school-age kids than the facilities were designed to support. As a result we will be expending our limited capital and operating resources unnecessarily.
When it comes time to pay, many will complain about the price tag. Those who refused to engage in any reasonable conversation about closures of schools should not be among them. Count me as a frustrated supporter of the bond measure.
DAVE SCHROTT
Northeast Portland
http://blog.oregonlive.com/myoregon/2010/11/letters_portland_police_polyga.html
@erose. re barrier, you didn’t.
Desiree seemed to attribute to Terri (to me) in the interview you linked.
–trail to June 18 article content seemed primarily an interview of Kaine.
–if there was a drug component (parallel investigation) with DEA involved,
imo that investigation’s breadth should have involved
the local US Atty, not the Shrunktank.
And based on his DA overtime sheet for
Kyron’s investigation (url posted recently),
Shrunk & the State were in the prosecutor’s driver’s seat, not DOJ.
what would have triggered a drug cartel (or whatever)’s
tie-in or scrutiny to a child abduction from ground zero on day 1?
imo not a peon like landscaper Rudy, or housewife Terri.
also not likely Skyline School’s associates. Nor Desiree.
Maybe Intel campus activities.
Maybe River Patrol.
Maybe Neighborhood criminal figures on those Roads for which
footage was sought.
tho kidnapping kids for enforcement purposes
–isn’t that a Mexican drug cartel thing,
come to think of it?
Rather than focus on drugs per se, why might we not think money laundering:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering#section_1
only an example
http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/files/MLR_Real_Estate_Industry_SAR_web.pdf
found this local employee’s story. “terrorist connections” scrutiny may still focus on this Intel work site http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hawash#section_4
Houze strikes again. Hawash was out of prison into a halfway house in 2008. 3 children. Roseberg wife.
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/free_mike_hawash/
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/free_mike_hawash/
the cameras installed prior to pta mtg Kaine attended 9/2/10, had far more extensive capacities than I realized, & imo the “remote viewing on the internet” was not being done by school officials. It replaced LE in the bushes outside. of note–installed outside, panned grounds, coukd id license plates. They were surveilling for someone to return who was not RS imo.
“briefed about new security measures including the high-end security cameras that were recently installed. The cameras, donated by Chown Hardware, can pan the grounds, detect people’s faces and license plates and be viewed remotely by school officials on the internet”
……
” Surveillance cameras were also installed inside and outside of Skyline School –”
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51799
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early press compiled
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=8861.0
among the crimes the Secret Service gets involved in:
money laundering
computer crimes
http://www.secretservice.gov/criminal.shtml
—–
I also think it fishy Intel terminated the leader of its MMX Tech software group (see case above)
with them since 1992 & a favorite of the then hiring VP (Intel won some litigation vs AMD on MMX protection)
and then promptly rehired him as contract labor. Idk if it had anything to do with clearances. Or maybe the
internal money source contract laborers were paid from differed.
a very major focus of DEA is money flow, laundering
http://www.justice.gov/dea/ops/money.shtml
who was that Portland – Idaho twosome, & associated group, with numerous shell corps
including telephone enterprises serving So America we looked at awhile back,
and did the 2 tie to Hormon’s or Skyline? had something to do with water marketing to gyms?
Missing Vancouver teen may be sex trafficking victim
VANCOUVER — The past 12 days have been torturous for the family of 16-year-old Isabella Castillo. The Hudson’s Bay High School student disappeared while walking home from school on March 25.
A few hours after her disappearance, her aunt and legal guardian, Cymany O’Brien, got a strange text message from Castillo. It read, she was safe, but was not coming home.
“It wasn’t to me how she would talk. It felt kind of scripted,” said O’Brien.
“If her aunt says things don’t’ make sense, I’m going to trust the Aunt knows what’s going on,” said Michele Bart, an advocate for sex trafficking victims.
Bart says it’s a common tactic for sex traffickers to send scripted text messages to their victim’s loved ones.
(snipped, more @link)
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Missing-Vancouver-teen-may-be-sex-trafficking-victim-201785771.html
here’s ICE too
http://www.ice.gov/money-laundering/
interesting, DEA also gets involved in middle east terrorism $ laundering
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15170802
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11125658/
T. Ruth says:
April 7, 2013 at 10:40 am
@T. Ruth,
I heard the text did not even come from her own phone.
This girl was making plans for her future, they don’t think she would just leave and cease all contact .
@erose says: April 6, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Anyone remember when KH said in an interview that Kyron wanting to live with his mom was “no biggie?” Then in November (hateful emails & visitation hearing) life with TH was a living hell
I remember him saying something along the lines of when Kyron was younger he would also cry when he had to leave his home and go to Desiree’s, so it was no big deal. It was in one of the early interviews, maybe Dateline? I’m lookin’. Is that the one you’re referring to?
@erose
July 16, 2010:
Q: What were the “red flags” or warning signs that Desiree Young thought she may have missed prior to Kyron’s disappearance? Desiree told the Today Show that Kyron seemed increasingly unhappy when he left their home after his visits with the Youngs. Kaine, did you see any warning signs and if so what?
A: Desiree’s quote was not taken in its entirety. As a younger boy, Kyron can express distress when going from one household to the other if he has been having a great time and is looking forward to upcoming activities with that particular household. There was no abnormal amount of this happening after he left Desiree’s household or when he left ours to go visit Desiree. He has been unhappy several times when he has had to leave our house to go visit Desiree, nothing Desiree or I would deem out of the ordinary.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html
Glad you sent me there, because earlier I was wondering if anyone had ever asked Kaine if he knew the landscaper. Here he says he did not.
no. 6 above….
“creepy wondering dude as noted by kids. b”
From a child’s perspective what would make make them say someone is creepy…..looks, unknown person, dress, behavior? Why the word “wondering”? Was he asking questions in regards to projects or individuals?
from the SM’s site:
Reply #651 December 14, 2010, 06:08:11 PM
by
neighbor
“It was always my assumption that she provided the opportunity and used a willing bystander. The best candidate that comes to mind is the “creep” that 7/8th grades saw near the dumpsters. Sorry, I can find the link later.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=hm3uurghp3pu7hgmur3tjhruu4&topic=9000.640
Rose says:
April 7, 2013 at 8:37 am
the cameras installed prior to pta mtg Kaine attended 9/2/10, had far more extensive capacities than I realized, & imo the “remote viewing on the internet” was not being done by school officials. It replaced LE in the bushes outside. of note–installed outside, panned grounds, coukd id license plates. They were surveilling for someone to return who was not RS imo.
“briefed about new security measures including the high-end security cameras that were recently installed. The cameras, donated by Chown Hardware, can pan the grounds, detect people’s faces and license plates and be viewed remotely by school officials on the internet”
……
” Surveillance cameras were also installed inside and outside of Skyline School –”
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51799
I wonder who IS monitoring those cameras. MCSD’s reluctance to examine the school as crime scene is a red flag so maybe DEA wants to see who is poking around there. Can’t imagine a SO would return to the scene so must be something ongoing.
@TRuth, Yes, thank you! Note how the KH story changes in four months. Maybe we need to see how many contradictions we can find.
July 16, 2010:
Q: What were the “red flags” or warning signs that Desiree Young thought she may have missed prior to Kyron’s disappearance? Desiree told the Today Show that Kyron seemed increasingly unhappy when he left their home after his visits with the Youngs. Kaine, did you see any warning signs and if so what?
A: Desiree’s quote was not taken in its entirety. As a younger boy, Kyron can express distress when going from one household to the other if he has been having a great time and is looking forward to upcoming activities with that particular household. There was no abnormal amount of this happening after he left Desiree’s household or when he left ours to go visit Desiree. He has been unhappy several times when he has had to leave our house to go visit Desiree, nothing Desiree or I would deem out of the ordinary.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html
11-15-10
He said things were so tense with Terri Horman that Kyron would call his mother, Desiree Young, and ask to live with her.
http://www.kptv.com/story/14808386/kaine-horman-kyrons-relationship-with-stepmom-was-strai
T. Ruth says:
April 7, 2013 at 12:03 pm
MockingbirdSings says:
April 6, 2013 at 7:03 pm
“@Rose – Not too long ago you were researching people and linked to a news story about a young woman whose newborn was taken into custody because of the father’s past history. I know this case quite well and have been thinking whether there is anything we could learn from it. Of specific interest is *Charlene Woods*.
The woman attempted to show her plan to DHS and get feedback, but they said they could not open a case or work with anyone about a child until it was born. Once the child was born, she was served with a subpoena to appear in court.”
we know charlene woods was involved with the kyron case as early as reported on july 9, (and possibly much earlier)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/district_attorney_and_sheriff.html
“Friday, July 09, 2010, 6:13 PM
Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Sheriff Dan Staton will ask the county board of commissioners for additional money..
Six prosecutors, from chief deputy district attorneys Rod Underhill and Norm Frink to trial-level prosecutors Kevin Demer and Heidi Moawad, as well as three investigators who operate out of the district attorney’s office have worked on the case. Moawad and Demer were brought in to do computer analysis, and Charlene Woods, a senior deputy district attorney who handles child abuse cases, also assisted.”
in the kyron case at the beginning the mcso said repeatedly that terri horman was cooperating. when the case was labeled criminal then terri got a lawyer and remained silent. if her lawyer knew the oregon politics in the mcso then he would absolutely tell her to remain silent, and dede as well. even if they tried to tell the truth it would seem to me that it would be twisted as in previous cases.
also there was a another case probably not the same da but it reflects on oregon’s handling of cases:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/122778594.html
By Associated Press Published: May 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM PDT
” But authorities haven’t explained why the prosecutor’s office looked in the restricted Law Enforcement Data System for information about lawyer Michael Romano.
The Bend Bulletin says Romano believes the DA’s office was attempting to intimidate him after a dispute over plea negotiations.”
Lol, my-ass it was an error- someone did not understand how LEID works. It will flag every query.
B
@Rose, Yes, money laundering could be the answer instead of drugs. Would explain why KH was so adamant about where TH got the 350K.
Maybe wandering, not wondering?
Cindy says:
April 7, 2013 at 12:36 pm
no. 6 above….
“creepy wondering dude as noted by kids. b”
charlene woods aka Charlene deskins?
Sam, you did nothing wrong, but I want to take a second to make my only comment on the events occurring recently in Colorado and Texas involving a BOP Official and DA and staff. I am asking that nobody under any circumstances post any searches of any prosecutorial staff or LE.
Abundance of caution only on my part.
B
@Rose, You might be missing something wrt Rackner, imo.
Good thinking Blink. And I regret posting the DA Supv getting all that OT was then the head of the CA Unit & had trained under Meisenheimer. I bet there are as many white supremacists in OR as in TX. Certainly as many drug dealors is in WVa.
I can see where local police & DA would truly Not Like defense atty M Romano from his blog
http://www.oregonduiiattorney.com/oregon_duii_blog.htm
On NPR today, maybe it was Wait wait don’t tell me, someone mentioned if
Kim Jong-Un would target the hipster techies of Austin,
Portland should watch out. Wishing you well in Portland..
@erose. TY for your pointer.
I miss most everything all the time.
ask my family.
LOl, doubtful.
B
@Rose, It’s in the category of “if it was a snake…”
If this is going where I think, is this where I need to put up the “Detour” sign?
B
@erose. Do you mean Kaine’s divorce attorney & RS of A&R serve on the small U OR Law Sch Dean’s Advisory Council together? http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/ol/docs/OLspring2009-online.pdf
(that is, the Kyron Judge’s former partner RS thru whose business he derived over 10% of family income?)
Or is there more?
Portland’s legal/business culture reminds me of high school cliques.
Maybe that’s why her partner Engel, always on the case, took over the talking role for the ladt Court transcript with the advent of the new Judge.
Personally, imo the respondant in this divorce needs an aggressive seasoned female like LR’s former firm
partner, particularly at trial.
@erose & Blink. I’m not that good. no sign needed.
But I did find the 2 same parties (LR & RS) in this bulletin,
along of course with Goldschmidt family & ER, the OR AG.
http://www.bethisrael-pdx.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=69&Itemid=209
“…..it would’ve bit me.” Sadly, I fear snakes more than mice.
@Rose, No.
@Blink, Yes.
O/T, but sent to me today and thought it helped me as it went to the heart of how we can expand our thinking.
You are driving down the road in your Corvette on a wild, stormy night, when you pass by a bus stop and you see three people waiting for the bus:
1. An old lady who looks as if she is about to die.
2. An old friend who once saved your life.
3. The perfect partner you have been dreaming about.
Which one would you choose to offer a ride to, knowing that there could only be one passenger in your car? Think before you continue reading.
Ready for the answer?
Give the car keys to the old friend and let him take the lady to the hospital. Stay behind and wait for the bus with the partner of my dreams.’
Sometimes, we gain more if we are able to give up our stubborn thought limitations.
Love that, erose.
B
Any chance that TMH was doing the horizontal shuffle with the groundskeeper and the two of them planned anything? Probably not. However, it might explain some white truck stuff.
Maybe I should go now and wash my mouth out with soap.
Rose says:
April 7, 2013 at 6:08 pm
@erose. Do you mean Kaine’s divorce attorney & RS of A&R serve on the small U OR Law Sch Dean’s Advisory Council together? http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/ol/docs/OLspring2009-online.pdf
(that is, the Kyron Judge’s former partner RS thru whose business he derived over 10% of family income?)
that 10% must have been pretty hefty. check out kantor’s house
Heart u all, need you to read my responses to posts please, because this is in effect on personal info or address info as noted earlier:
B
@erose. TY for mental mutitasking puzzle.
redacted due to:
erose, I posted earlier that at the moment, I have a serious concern over the issue of prosecutorial assets, past and present due to the recent events surrounding same. Yes, I am speaking of the topic so as not to goole juice it here as I have no intentions to cover it.
As we know, Atty Rackner falls under this category. Imo Federal Agencies share this concern. You know first hand my investigative projects are robust and they are fearless. This peripheral is not at all one of those. You have my solemn word we will re-visit in full BOC scapular glory.
B
@Blink, Busted a gut laughing, but your point is serious. I am sorry. Hope you don’t blame a girl *too much* for trying.
I would be sorely disappointed if y’all did not. If it missed anyone’s observation, I am not the most patient analyst in the world, and I do not like to watch water boil in the least. Is what it is.
B
Love the signs, Blink. Now maybe a big rubber mallet????
Don’t make me turn the car around AND pull out the rubber mallet!!
B
…(clicked too soon) … like WhackaMole???
sam hawthorne says:
April 7, 2013 at 3:46 pm
charlene woods aka Charlene deskins?
re:
Sam, you did nothing wrong, but I want to take a second to make my only comment on the events occurring recently in Colorado and Texas involving a BOP Official and DA and staff. I am asking that nobody under any circumstances post any searches of any prosecutorial staff or LE.
Abundance of caution only on my part.
B
good word blink! I didn’t even think about that! it all popped up when I was searching to see who was involved in the kyron case, without me looking for it. I hope that the da and ada and all those people would actually make sure no private information of theirs was online to be discovered by anyone with a grudge. prayers tonight for all the missing exploited children and also the LE that is entrusted with their safety!
Absolute ditto and Amen.
B
You all are losing me. Hah, not hard to do. But, for some reason today I was thinking about why Kaine Horman quit talking. Ya’ll do remember that he suddenly left the media scene for a while? Well, here’s my question. Terri Horman’s attorney *immediately* shut her up. Now, I know Houze is a criminal defense attorney as opposed to Rackner being a family law attorney…..but, I also know that Kaine Horman has said some things that simple common sense and ANY divorce attorney had wished he hadn’t. (Thank you Lea for your insights, and where the heck are you?) So, here’s my question, why ***didn’t*** Rackner ask Kaine STFU? Hmmmm? I’ve heard she’s one of the best of the best in her genre? Would be an attorney’s job wouldn’t it?
Thank you Blink for not allowing us to say anything here that could jeopardize the safety of the people who uphold the laws of this country, their states or counties or commonwealths. God Bless them All, and I hope this nightmare will end for them soon. Your moderation is one of the reasons I value this site so much. Thank you for your wisdom and diligence.
@Blink. Mole here. Thank you for the moderation. Will look forward to the FOIA
disclosures giving you the Full Monte. Waiting for scapular glory. Not to mention J Kantor
actually ruling.
Was reading Bunch filing of 2010 & imo he’s absolutely correct on OR rules & law, so why’d he fold em?
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/hormanfiling.pdf
Sad as these cases are, I thot WV was an isolated mentally ill man and CO/TX were related to
white aryan legal case, and not a US epidemic. Sadly seems to be more cases in colleges & schools country-wide than with LE. Being from Dallas, I remember the 50s when political killings by right wingers happened.
Not whacking Rose- lol at “kantor actually ruling”
B