Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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O/T..but…
New puppy, friendLY? Congrats on the new edition!
o/t: Thank you Kindly FriendLY, if this work takes a nose dive perhaps I will start writing about my first time at petco, LOL.
Her name is Harper Weston- after Harper Lee and she is a vampire/cat combo
B
Had Ms. Matthews been Kyron’s K-1 teacher? In other words, how well did Ms. Matthews know Kyron?
Is it possible Ms. Matthews thought that she knew who SZ was which is why she allowed Kyron to go with him? And once LE checked out who she thought SZ was, that person was definetely cleared? Thus leaving LE to determine SZ’s identity?
No. Kyron had Mr. McBeth.
B
“The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“snipped”…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.”
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I’m tuning in late, but who is Ms. Matthews and why did she allow a student to leave the building?
@Blink. That’s how I read you & the diagram. Heh, everyone look at the jutting out feature on the diagram next to, just below 109) on the (now) West side and if egressing right at the front (now South) side if school as one walks away from bldg.
Iirc from l o n g ago neighbor said electrical exhibits were set up in one of those 2 rolms (not k-1 exhibits)
Wanting to make sure I’m reading this right:
No.
Emergency exit next to CR109 as indicated. He was seen entering and exiting.
B
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A witness saw SZ enter the school. A witness saw SZ exit the school/w Kyron. SZ entered the school via one door and left via a different one.
Correct?
Witnesses, yes.
B
so if anyone entering the door by 109
can be seen by people inside 109, that’s
how 1 or more witnesses near the interior
109 window saw him enter & leave bldg.
Brazen –waltzed in & said I need help bringing something in
in full vuew if the room.
I bet matthews had vaguely seen him come & go there before
& thot nothing of it.
How Kaine could try to publically pin this on Terri whatever LE told him,
rather than push mcso to track SZ whatever it took,
boggles my mind. Desiree to me is just in a category all her own
here you can clearly see a pathway from that door (side of the fields) heading to street
http://m296.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Locations-%20Pics%20from%20Locals-%20Search%20Areas/866Kyr10.jpg.html?o=266
quite cadgey.
He entered & exited the opposite from parking lot & foot traffic.
Blink, Thanks so much for putting out more details concerning this case. Running with these revelations had to be difficult. I cringe every time I “press” submit to the most trivial of my input.
The direct link you placed to the floor plan does not work for me, and perhaps others. It might be just my browser(s) but it would be great if you could verify that link and assure the image is not protected in some way. Even though most of us “know” and have viewed the floor plan, it helps to make sure we are all discussing the same information.
Thanks so much.
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http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-2/#comment-2178332
Rose says:
August 8, 2013 at 8:15 am
found: room cr109 in basement, is next to a door (pics are 6/27/10 @ 8:43)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5338870
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Thanks Rose, I added the direct image:
B
Sorry quizzi- I don’t see the link to the direct image I posted to verify?
B
Blink, so do you feel DAD plays any part in this or no, that dog won’t hunt ? I know we were on that thread a long time.
I can’t say with any certainty. That is the uber-problem with this case. The intersects keep going with no way to exclude.
B
It is truly bizarre to read comments posted here that intimate that you have a clue as to the identity of a suspect. It is even more dubious that you act like integrity is your shield from providing more information. I am sure that LE would love to have your information, as I am fairly certain that they would rather solve the crime than perpetuate a lie. The speculation that occurs here supposes all information about anyone other tha TMH is true, and every assumption about TMH is false. What makes your guesses any more valid than the three years of full time investigation by LE?
Kyron needs justice, and I am not sure how this helps.
What I find bizarre, is that someone would spend exactly no imagination on a user “hat”, and not read this piece, or the other coverage of Kyron’s case since it’s sad inception. There are over 200K comments as well, and you could not be bothered to read the first three lines of this article where I expressly state that the information contained herein IS known to law enforcement.
Because it it is, it has been, as well as known to Kyron’s parents. The only assumption made here are those by you, who apparently has an agenda to just make me wrong without so much as a blip of critical thought.
Btw, the ole foxy proxy thing does not work here, and I do not allow such infantile names on my site. This is not topix so RyouSerious being ghastly and all notwithstanding, it is my policy to give a poster a name when in need. Hello Troll.
I get it, your one of the cauldron folk-
Lastly, I am not guessing, don’t even know how- ask around.
B
Greetings. The questions I have are as follows:
1. Why did Kaine elect to drive to the school to look for Kyron on June 4, 2010 when he didn’t ride the bus home instead of just calling the police 911 himself?
2. Why was it Ms. Hall the school front desk was left with the duty to call 911 and not Kaine?
3. It’s cool the way you put all this together however what is missing is where was Kaine between 8:45 and 1:p.m.-ish. Was Kaine at work or not? If he wasn’t at work where was he during those hours and why did he make it a big point to be at the bus stop with Terri and the baby waiting for Kyron. I don’t buy the celebration story to go get ice cream…that is sour milk to me.
4. Why was Kaine driving Terri’s car the mustang that day?
5. What, who, when, where and how has no one followed up on the doctor appointment statement given by Mrs. Porter (Kyron’s second grade teacher)
6. Yes, the school would be at fault if they let Kyron leave school with his dad Kaine in the mustang for supposedly the doctor’s appointment without a written consent form signed as when, where, how and why Kyron would leave and return to school.
7. Kaine know as much or more than Terri Horman about Kyron’s disappearance, period.
What do you think?
Greetings again dear interested and concerned folks,
I feel Kyron left with a family member like Kaine who drove up in the mustang.
The video at the store where Terri Horman showed up with her daughter is her alibi.
Kyron is not with Terri and the baby.
However, where was Kaine? Did he go to school to pick Kyron up for the doctor’s appointment Mr. Parker talks about?
Kaine could easily have driven up to the school in Terri’s car the mustang, Kyron get in and no one would have even thought anything about it.
There was no stranger there aducting Kyron. At least I don’t think so.
Studies show stranger ubduction account for only 27% of missing children and the kidnappings happen 1/2 mile away from the child’s home not at a school where they can be photographed.
Plus why would the stranger choose Kyron? Why not some other child? Doesn’t make sense to me.
http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/
@Troll. With much respect,
my and other peoples’ posts,
not to mention Blink’s piece,
make clear the perp is UNidentifiable.
Second LE not only knows about the witnesses to
the untoward events witnessed by
adults & children alike occurring in Rm 109 which LE
has concealed from the public, but not the bios.
(The best evidence of that is LE’s flier pic of truck by access
road. & Desiree’s spill about Kyron by a truck.) You
really think witnesses who spoke to Blink kept the info from LE?
As for a tie in to a mfh. Say I’m a sophisticated criminal with prison
time (how I connect to mfhs), or a neophyte bumbling criminal, or a
friendly bartender taking on a mfh for honey or money. Or even an angey, get-even
landscaper. You really think I’d execute that mfh in his elementary school, with
an extra cloud of adult witnesses present inside & on the grounds, with Kyron’s
presence in any location, and himself subjectto anticipated monitoring by a
group leader, etc etc? Hell no. Anythink else would make more sense for a planned criminal
act.
This is 1 of 2 things like NelMel said. 1) a planned opportunistic stranger abduction where the scene
& execution were integral to the high. or less likely 2) a relatively psychotic person (as to thinking–not
hallucinations) who was easily, exquisitely narcisstically wounded felt slighted by Kaine–say someone
like his ex- described Cook at his worst when Kaine never called back. Not suggesting Cook, but someone who felt
slighted by Kaine. I trust LE checked out every man let go in the unit he
supervised for some years back, as Intel had a repr for terminating employees of many years just before retirements
vested.
In my opinion SZ had the plan, and a room with young present, & Kyron
was the opportunity within the plan. If he’d said no to stranger, the guy would’ve just
said “how about you” to another boy.
i’m very encouraged by the dialogue your hard work, research, and advocacy has continued to foster. i can only hope that parents at Skyline see this and demand answers. I also hope DY starts to demand answers from LE as well. I am wondering if the fact that her husband is in law enforcement actually ended up hindering her in regards to considering anything other than the script MCSO has put out, focusing on TMH and not really elsewhere from the get-go. I’m wondering if TY trusted what MCSO was telling them without question because he assumed they would do right no matter what road the investigation may lead them down, afterall, they are his brothers in blue so why should he not trust them and encourage his wife to as well (not trying to victim bash here, my heart is broken completely for DY and I hope she is now demanding answers from the investigators involved).
@Blink the direct image link you posted of diagram didn’t make it I think.
There was a little empty rectangle, then that disappeared.
@ATG. re “Someone on staff probably opened the door to allow the children outside and propped it open with a wedge. A common practice. Some doors have a swing-up door stop to hold” And we know they were
outside due to butterfly release.
It is my guess SZ had previously gone in & out as a workman (real or posed)
to boilerroom, cafeteria or say painting previously, & knew the wedge laid on the
ground near the door, and knew the door would likely be propped open in June,
particularly during an open house
or in the morning when deliveries
are made. Much better to take stuff to
cafeteria thru basement.
quizzical,
Same floor plans, different link:
I originally posted this August 11, 2013 at 6:07 am
(snip)
Rooms 109/110 are in the lower level (titled Basement Level)
Room 213 is Kyron’s (titled Ground Level)
(floor plans again, for reference)
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/floorplanofSkylinecropped.jpg
Thinking about “The Nod” by Ms. Matthews. A nod conveys assent—an OK. OK to “May he help me?” as well as “You are OK –you have my OK to take Kyron with you for this task.” Did she think she knew him? Look like a parent? A previous student? A badge, uniform or comportment that conveyed a level of clearance—such as a presenter at the fair? Something stirred her trust that he was “OK”. OK enough for “A Nod” that signaled to SZ that he was cleared for the next phase of his “Act”. I am sure she has regretted it over and over for the past 3 years. I would hope she would consider sitting with a talented sketch artist to try to capture her memory of this man, whoever he is. If he’s still alive. That seems to be part of this mysterious saga…
Rose,
KH has said it was not physical discipline.
@ Blink: thanks, yes multiple witnesses.
Assuming the door that he exited would have been the door closest to his vehicle. Why would he enter the school from a different door further than his vehicle?
Makes me wonder if either:
he parked near the entrance door, and someone else moved the car to the exit door while he engaged Kyron. (which would mean accomplice)
he parked near the entrance door, and escorted Kyron to someone else’s vehicle parked at the exit door. (which would mean accomplice)
he strategically parked at the exit door, then walked around the school and entered through the other door, but why would he do that?
IDK? just throwing stuff out there. Ideas?
Anyone know whether the entrance door is commonly used for deliveries of any kind? Is it the one with the ramp, like for easily bringing in handtrucks with supplies on them? (Sorry, but I’m still confused about which door he came in, the one by the flower beds in the back?)
@Rose
@Rose
quite cadgey.
He entered & exited the opposite from parking lot & foot traffic.
It all makes sense to me now. Took awhile to wrap my head around his NOT needing to thru the main bldg south entrance past the MO.
Only Cagey if he KNEW what to do to NOT get noticed outside. That area in the center of the school, after school starts and before the first recess really would be sheltered from view. Windows in the gym are too high, few windows looking out. That was the door (the gym) that i’d always thought a suspect had taken him out of given how sheltered from view of the classrooms.
IMO SZ must have assesed where Kyron was UNLESS any kid would do the moment he walked in. If not, Do think he was there early, parked with the rest and checked out TMH/Kiara/Kyron interactions as they walked in. Maybe followed the ‘traditional way”, got seen as a “tourist” for awhile. He, then could have checked out TMH’s truck on the way in. Followed her. Saw her leave. Drove to the back.
But how would he have known where Kyron was going? Unless he stayed in the background long enough to hear Kyron and Tanner. If he had been targeting him for an hour.
There just has to be a reason Ms. Matthews gave the “nod”.
I don’t really blame her, like I did Porter for not “missing” Kyron all day. I’m sure she told police everything.
They told her to keep it quiet and either told her explicitly that this man was in with TMH and it wasn’t her fault or just told her to they knew about the SZ.
But what is infuriating is LE. They KNEW it was a male. They KNEW it was someone coming in near 9am and YET the presser focused on Terri’s time-line. And then DEDE.
How could they get it so wrong?
I keep thinking of that Amber Alert Wednesday! What if Ms. Matthews had TALKED to Ms Porter!
Ah…well.
It is TIME for LE to make it Right. I wonder if they, LE, have been alerted to the facts that the PUBLIC knows more now.
THey are such morons that I don’t think they even know that it makes a difference.
WPG…THANK you for the pics. I kept going onto photobucket and couldn’t pull up the ones I was looking for.
BTW….Anyone know where Ms Mattews went? I thought I saw a couple days on the Skyline sight that was not there?
Interesting comment on MKH:
Kathy Schmeltzer Thought I saw him wearing a blonde wig at Long beach, WA. Reported it and nothing came of it. I walked by this boy wearing a girls wig. You could tell it was a wig quite obvious and the boy said to the man, ” I just want my mommy.” I looked and wasn’t 100 percent sure. Thanks for posting his picture again. Now picture this with a blonde wig turned under to the shoulders. I wish I would of said something to this child. This will bother me forever. If you want to hide a boy, wouldn’t you dress the child as a girl? The only thing that held me up about it was this child’s nose was a little more pointed. But I thought about it later and thought maybe this child had lost weight. Then would the nose be more pointed. Well, gave police detailed info on my sighting.
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Recent post, but she doesn’t say when she saw this child, but it’s pretty weird. Caught my attention because M. Cook has a connection to Long Beach, WA. Thank goodness anyway she did report it.
Here’s another interesting one: (I hope this poster is wrong about LE not looking into this one.)
Sherry Holcomb Like I said before, I spoke with a man I know and he said he was pretty sure he saw him hunkered down in a pickup that matched the one described on TV. He called several law authorities and no one even interviewed him . SAD , The guy is an engineer, not a whacko, he was working on a job in the Dalles, OR. It was I believe the day after he was taken……….
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Troll says:
August 11, 2013 at 3:14 pm
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I would just like to say Thank you Blink for taking the time to read all of the posts and discouraging single minded posters not interested in learning the truth of the situation but rather only concerned with promoting their own beliefs in an attempt to get others to join them in their pursuit of a person or persons whom they deem to be unattractive and therefore must be guilty of something.
I understand why some may still think Terri is guilty of some complicity in Kyrons disappearance and I believe that they have a right to express their opinions. What is disappointing is the posters that seem to engage in internet bullying and outrageous comments which could not possibly be true.
ie.
Cindy says:
August 9, 2013 at 12:00 am
It’s wasn’t a man. It was Large Marge aka Dede. Review Dede’s deposition again. There is a really horrid reason why she pleads the 5th on just about every question.
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I don’t believe these forks are at all interested in finding out about or hearing the truth. In fact due to a what seems to be maniacal need to to hang on to their beliefs. I am sure these posters would rather see the truth suppressed.
Anyway once agin thank you Blink for not encouraging these people to post here so we don’t have to read through their nonsense.
Is Kyron in that picture?
You say you don’t guess, but the comments posted are riddled with guesses that are off base and simply wrong. One case in point is the string of comments that talk of the contractors for the wind turbine and their possible involvement.
A little reading from a Google search of the Skyline wind turbine shows that project wasn’t done in 2010, but in 2011. This is the type of thing that I am referring to.
I have most assuredly not read all 200000 comments, but I have read thousands, enough to have made an observation that you clearly think you could solve this case…. So do it. We would all love to know what really happened. The notion you don’t guess is ridiculous, as any person who works a crime from any angle has to make some guesses, they are just educated ones.
Good luck in your continued altruistic endeavor to solve this thing. It would be great if you let us all know when you have it all worked out.
You may refer to me as a troll if you like, but at least I am not blinded by my own greatness to the point of passing myself of as the all knowing on this topic.
O well, since we are sticking to the cold facts- I can see how someone getting the wind turbine completion date wrong is cataclysmic to my integrity. Again, if you have read thousands of posts, and I don’t believe you have, and your take away is that I think I can solve this case but instead I guess about it all day long, then you are not only insulting me, you are insulting the thousands of readers and posters that would never be sucked in to such nonsense. Seriously.
You’re wrong that an investigative criminal analyst, which I am, btw, has to guess. There is no such thing. Respectfully, because unlike your conduct, it is how I roll- I note that you have no counter argument, or dispute to anything presented in this piece as new information which is expressly presented to progress this case.
“blinded by my own greatness”?? Again, clearly your sass is directed at me personally. You really think anyone gives a rats ass about my ego if the flipside of the coin is finding Kyron and “solving” this case?
Would live to hear your constructive ideas for progression as you feel mine are falling short.
B
@Troll says:
August 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Wow, Troll, interesting that you brought up the Wind Turbine which hasn’t been discussed here, for ummmmmm, I think years now. Your are correct that the project wasn’t finished until 2011, but it was very well under way when Kyron went missing and IIRC, actually supposed to be completed or near completion by the end of the 2010 school year, that would be before June 4, 2010. Do your homework and I will do mine. Thanks, IMO all views are welcome here IMO so long as they are supported by facts.
@wog. TY for amplification of Kaine’s concerns.
The stuff of discipline abuse to the extent *** gov’t *** can interfere with custody (here of child 2) via a Judge whether in a divorce or cpsd case is 1) physical, so as to be beyond local norms and result in physical injury; or 2) is psychological to the extent a child is reactively symptomatic interfering with his functioning and a psychiatrist or phd osycholgical will opine on same under oath attributing child’s dysfunction emotional abuse. Of course there us neglect as to housing, food, school attendance, but that is unlikely in a middle class home absent drug-ridden parents. Anything else is the stuff of different parenting values and typical divorce differences imo. Kaine’s opinion is just that.
you know, wPg, I carefully changed that “o” to a “p” twice proofing, and the post still spit the o out.
@dear Troll. I guess you are well intended, but ill-read. And, indeed, it’s a lot to master.
The turbine was a modification of the original grant application when contractors began visiting the school to assess for solar panels in 2009 if not 2008. The BEF projects in schools were sokar arrays. Studies at Skyline by BEF, their funding partners, and subcontractors (at one time their local sub-electrician was found & posted here, maybe in 2011), found the Skyline electrical apparatus (in the barn ?) was too meager & antiquated to support solar panels). So, the planning for BEF’s first wind project began, which began a new round of planner, contractor & govt permitter’s on site visits & assessments. Then the purchase & mfg of equipment. The erection if the wind turbine was the last stage if 2-3 years work by the BEF team (collins/dieners/sean) and their funding partners (2-3 of them) & many subcontractors (electricians etc).
Btw. the soccer fields had also been redone the year before with a well issue & turf iirc.
@vw. as I read, the door adjacent to 109
is on the exterior West side by the path
to the front and NOT in the center rear.
I don’t think he tracked or gave a damn about Terri Kiara
Kyron in advance. He wanted a young manageable boy NOT ASSIGNED
to that homeroom. He arrived when the first batch would
walk in the door. And then, he culled from that first group.
He would NOT have taken from kids assigned to her (she’d be aware
they’d not returned). Thus his timing: to get a fresh arrival approx 1 hour before the 10
am reassembly. He needed 1 hour for his plan to execute.
@Kat. I read the nod was to Kyron.
Eled teachers nod at students. They
do it all the time.
Troll says:
August 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm
You say you don’t guess, but the comments posted are riddled with guesses that are off base and simply wrong. One case in point is the string of comments that talk of the contractors for the wind turbine and their possible involvement.
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Thats the whole idea here we share possible scenarios and information we can find with the hope that one train of thought or idea might stimulate a response from someone that could be a key to this case. it stands to reason if you don’t know what happened then you have to try to think out of the box. In other words make calculated guesses. I get my ideas shot down all the time but then I am encouraged to try to dig into what I do know about this case and try another idea.
And this hurts this case how?
Its true we have very few facts to go on but I think its a much better way to try to understand what happened then the name calling, crude graphics, and foul language followed by no original thought that have ever seen some sites.
I believe there negative atmosphere on some Facebook pages and blogs is not good for getting any new witness information/ideas because the cyber bullying that goes on would make any rational person hesitant to post any piece of information that lead away from the chosen suspect(s) of the regular posters.
After 3 years of posting on this site I do not think Blink has ever told us something about this case that was not true.
In the end this is not a popularity contest its a search for a lost boy.
oh blink, you are not a robot without feelings…we all know that. You are a wonderfully dedicated analyst who puts forth a blog where we can share ideas, and speculate to our hearts content. Its all done with respect and kindness. For the life of me, I don’t understand however how you cannot exclude a comment from moderation that is a personal attack. That’s not what this is about, and it actually hurt me for you. I feel I can safely say that myself, and a gazillion others appreciate what you do, and how you go about doing it. There, I have said my piece.
se: With much respect, you are probably right. A great fault of mine is that I feel sometimes we learn and grow from dissenting perspectives. Sometimes I am too thick to lift the veil to see it for what it is right away and I take your critique that it is disruptive, regardless. I had not considered that but will in the future.
B
Confessing my sins, I’ve often resented Inahara’s antics as self-absorbed and self-righteous to the point of sacrificing school integrity (self-contained aspect), burdening staff (at least janitors), and jeopardizing student safety.
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2010/01/with_help_from_portland_eco-sc.html
another earlier version of this article
http://blog.oregonlive.com/themombeat/2009/12/portland_eco-school_network_se.html
“Neighbor’s pigs; teacher’s chickens”. Plenty of trouble with neighbors, including a school lockdown. Who came for pig scraps?
Inahara kicked off the Skyline work in 2008
http://www.earthleaders.org/programs/eco-school-networks/
p1 on Inahara in 2008;
p2 recycling info http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/facilities/RC.doc.SaveIt.Fall08.pdf
Per url below (Keefer’s own words), The wind turbine workup began 18 mos before March 2011 (cSept 09). The solar assessment occurred during preceding 2009 (and perhaps back to fall 2007) months.
“History of our wind Turbine:
In 2009 Skyline was selected as a site to have a demonstration solar array put on our garage. We were awarded this grant due to the work we had done to become an Oregon Premier Green School. When the company came out to see what the installation would entail, it became quite clear that the solar array could not work with the current electrical system in bus barn. The folks who were going to pay for the solar system looked to see if there were any potential alternatives that could be found. They came up with the wind turbine idea as a possibility for our site. This idea was then presented to Portland Public School District planning folks and then to community, parents, and finally the permitting agencies. After 18 months our wind turbine was installed on March 28, 2011.”
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/433.htm
I meant solar grant application, responded to by BEF site assessment,
couldve begun back to fall 2008 (typo above)
was reading back to the first blog on kyron here, kyron-horman missing endangered search intensifies for missing 7 yr old, june 12, 2010
on page 2 of the comments is a post by
shannel says:june 12, 2010 @10:15 am
(close as i can get to a link on my not smart phone, sorry)
anyway she references a link to a story on koin6 (link didnt work anymore) about kyrons deskmate talking to a substitute teacher about kyron not being there and the teacher saying he must be in the bathroom… shanells comment is “…if the teacher thought he was in the bathroom, it implies she thought he was present, not absent!”
i wonder when the deskmate made the comment, before or after 10am, does anyone think they can find another link to this maybe still around on another paper so we might find out?
also in the same article later in the comments a poster named emma69 june 12, 2012 @ 1:30pm says:
…i am a parent at skyline…i am one of the 10% of the school parents who have not been interviewed by FBI (although my child has been)…the talent show historicaly has been poorly attended by parents, its mostly for the kids…the school has multiple exits, and all doors are open”
On page 3 comment #4 emma adds a correction to her post explaining she meant always unlocked, not open.
Question i had after reading these early posts is did emma’s ref to fbi interviews mean the ones given at the school sunday following disapearance? It was not clear totally to me but in other threads later i thought other parents at sci fair also said they werent ever questioned and figured le just already had their suspect.
in the same thread i referenced last post kyron horman missing and endangered search intensifies…. i found a reason maybe why there was never a community meeting among parents:
(page 3 of comments) emma69 says: june 12 2010@1:56pm
…”some parents may know more than others but have been asked not to talk about it to other parents.”
from thread kyron horman missing endangered landscaper rudy sanchez knew kyron…july 20, 2010@4:59
(comment #9, last page comments)
maebee: i am a friend of the family…terri H was not the last person to see kyron alive…th was told not to talk about the investigation…she gave police everything…not allowed to speak now either….
This commenter then goes on to ask question about bp (minor student) and his electrical presentation at the sci fair that kyron was so excited about seeing.
Keeping in mind i never know the authinticity of posters, i still find it enlightening to see posts now that i think “what if tmh was telling the truth?” it is eerie to think that i could have been looking at this case in the beginning with so much bias that i never really looked into any other possibility than tmh, because i am old school, alWays believe le and schools!
@blink dont be discouraged if you start getting rude posters, i heard a man once say that if you keep bumping into the devil its a good sign that you’re walkin in the right direction.
Great line, and works unless your walking in a circle, lol!
B
I expect when the soccer field was rebuilt (which included well work as one was there) and the solar panel infrastructure was examined in 2009, that door which was convenient to fields & electrical barn & boiler room was wedged open so workmen could go in & out to that level’s bathroom and work areas.
Much easier for mcso to identify all these past contractor personnel in summer of
2010 thru business, pps, & pta records. I suppose the pta didn’t want to bite the
hands that had yet to deliver & install the project by dishing on all the strangers accessing
the property in the preceding year–funding sources, state govt agency, journeymen, power co, etc
@Rose says
In my opinion SZ had the plan, and a room with young present, & Kyron
was the opportunity within the plan. If he’d said no to stranger, the guy would’ve just said “how about you” to another boy.
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I agree.
In this way the perp is calm, cool and collected and blends right in.
For Kyron to be the specific target (by a family or another unknown) is a complicated and risky endeavor at the school.
Hi Blink and all! Not many will remember me, but I just wanted to let you know I’m following this as close now as I was the day it happened.
I never bought that story about Terri doing this, however I did think her actions or recreational choices caused all if this to take place.
I am hard pressed to believe no one knows who SZ is.
If Miss Matthews looked up and nodded then she either knows who this guy is or is afraid to come forth and say she allowed Kyron to walk away with a stranger. Either way others identified him, why no sketch? The very least a general description?
Here’s another tidbit that’s a little O/T, it seems I have heard more about Human Trafficing rescues since Kyron went missing. Is it just me that’s noticed this?
-There are folks who will look even a gift horse in the mouth.
-And I propose that any work done here that leads to further understanding of these sad events ,and/or, perhaps has some hand in prevention of similar future sad events is indeed a gift.
-It costs us nothing to read here. No charge for our comments.
-The exchange of ideas by well intentioned folks from all walks of life is indeed a gift.
moo and all that..:)
So, if the witness who saw Ms. M give the nod to SZ (or Kyron) at first thought the person was someone else, isn’t it possible that Ms. M also thought it was someone she’d met before? Is this a case of mistaken identity?
Catherine Garvin says:
August 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Greetings again dear interested and concerned folks,
I feel Kyron left with a family member like Kaine who drove up in the mustang.
The video at the store where Terri Horman showed up with her daughter is her alibi.
Kyron is not with Terri and the baby.
However, where was Kaine? Did he go to school to pick Kyron up for the doctor’s appointment Mr. Parker talks about?
Kaine could easily have driven up to the school in Terri’s car the mustang, Kyron get in and no one would have even thought anything about it.
There was no stranger there aducting Kyron. At least I don’t think so.
Studies show stranger ubduction account for only 27% of missing children and the kidnappings happen 1/2 mile away from the child’s home not at a school where they can be photographed.
Plus why would the stranger choose Kyron? Why not some other child? Doesn’t make sense to me.
http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/
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Greetings Catherine Garvin,
Who is Mr. Parker? Do you really think Kaine Horman left Intel and nobody noticed? Do you think LE did not check into him at all? Do you believe he drove to Skyline Elementary in the cherry red Mustang and no one noticed?
As for why a stranger would abduct Kyron, I ask why not? He was clearly alone. He was smaller than most kids. Makes sense to me.
was there 2 “tanners” in this case?
on sm forum there is a thread that follows a tg family. on blinkon in the article “new clues fact or fiction…” there is a tp family. am i just confused?
also from reading some back stuff on this case i could see a number of theories, not excluding kidnapping for financial gain, say to not loose a house. Blink, i dont understand the sexual motivation being part of this necessarily. Are you still convinced that it is? In all scenarios?
There are 2.
B
Can someone with some computer savy mark on one of the maps with an arrow or something the door SZ was seen entering the school and the door SZ was seen leaving the school with Kyron and upload a copy somewhere for us to see. I’d appreciate that immensely.
The only reason I can think of for LE not to give a description of SZ is if, in doing so, a witness(s) might be able to be identified by the perp, which could pose a danger to the witness. Particularly, if one was a child. But, if SZ was seen by multiple witnesses at several different locations in the school, how could that be even possible? I mean, under the scenario reported, this SZ KNOWS he was seen and heard by multiple people……so? He already knows he can be fingered. This is what I don’t get. Why no sketch?
Was this dude posing to be someone else? Did he know he looked like someone else at the school?
This is bugging the heck out of me.
@TRuth. Blink said it was “next to” 109.