Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    PPS has an inhouse General Counsel, and a Head of Security, both named here, and reports alleged crimes to the DA via Portland Police Bureau. Curious. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/da_vinci_middle_school_cyberbu.html#incart_river

  2. erose says:

    @TRuth, You asked who else is lying. The two most blatant lies perpetuated, imo, were by LE and the school in conjunction with the media, and they are; TH was the last known person to be seen with Kyron AND Kyron was last seen at 8:45. Initially, every public theory about TH was based on those two lies, and some people are like a dog with a bone. Everyone, think about not only the implications of those lies, but the many times over and over those lies were told, and they were told by people who knew the truth over three years ago. If we’re going to talk about lies, I say let’s talk about those two for starters.

    T. Ruth says:
    November 18, 2013 at 7:40 pm

  3. cd says:

    RedRose says:
    November 18, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    So, who?
    1. DeDe always comes up, and what is to say she was telling the total truth in her interview with B?

    I know she is totally cleared, but it still seems like #1 is a good place to start. To take the fifth hundreds of dozens of times in a courtroom under oath, and then to spill her ‘innocent guts’ in an interview just does not make a whole bucket of sense.

    ————
    As far as i know Dede has never taken the fifth in a courtroom. She did take the fifth during a deposition by DY’s tort probably in the attorney’s office.

    I think Dede was willing to take a LDT and talk to the GJ but she did not want to be involved in or tricked into some sort of self incrimination by Rosenthal in the DY’s civil filing. I think Rosenthal really showed his true colors and intent when he leaked Dede’s deposition to the press.

  4. Rose says:

    figuring the Oregonian interviewing PPS’ General Counsel & Head of Safety for an article was due as much to the reporter as PPS’ PR spokesman, I looked her up:
    https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=6902811340046336&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fnicole-dungca%2F9%2F590%2F701
    SF native educated at Brown & summer internships with 2 fine newspapers & SF DA. Formerly Clackamus Ed reporter. Look for more good stories on PPS schools.

  5. Rose says:

    maybe she could do the PPS angle of this abduction.
    She did some Cogen stories.

  6. Rose says:

    Hales & Commissioners apparently cave to the Union on steroid testing for PPB Officers :
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/portland_police_tentative_cont.html
    This was apparently a make or break issue for the Union who fought it bitterly until finally after much delay
    it was introduced in a tiny way in mid-2012. now it will be gone again.

  7. Rose says:

    idk why this young reporter chose Portland over
    Chicago, but I hope she finds a Pulitzer award story in
    PPS & then gets out of Dodge (jmo) like that young
    Sandusky reporter did at State College
    http://ndungca.wordpress.com/about/

  8. Cindy says:

    I don’t think TMH did this to Ky. I don’t think KH did this to Ky.
    I don’t think DY did this to Ky. I don’t think TY did this to Ky.
    What I do think is this was a crime of opportunity. This science fair event was perfect fodder for any pedophile. Maybe, Ky was somewhat known to SZ through one of the four or someone from the school, or other activities such as soccer, scouts, or church. What makes this so hard is none of us knows what goes on in the house next door….think Ariel Castro.

    Sometimes the person least likely to commit a crime of this magnitude is the one who did it. Let’s put our thinking caps on and review who that might be.

  9. GeorgiaDad says:

    There is a lot of talk about “lying”. I think sometimes internet posters use this word a lot more than appropriate. To me, “lying” is an intentional effort to deceive others to their detriment, and a “liar” is a person who deceives with evil intent.

    If a person retells a story multiple times with details deleted or added or corrected between various versions, that person is not necessarily a “liar”. If two person review the same information and express differing interpretations, it does not necessarily follow that one is lying.

    A person who embellishes a story or experience may have self-esteem issues, but is not necessarily a “liar”.

    A few specific incidents related to this case:
    1) The “hateful” emails. DY has apparently seen emails from TMH that she currently interprets as “hateful”. This is her gut response developed in her current emotional state. KH apparently doesn’t interpret the emails similarly. This does not mean that either person is “lying”
    2) TMH is alleged to have “changed her story” multiple times immediately after K’s disappearance. Unfortunately, we don’t have confirmation from a non-biased source and don’t know what the apparent changes were. Nevertheless, if details were inserted, omitted, refined, or clarified that does not prove “lying”
    3) KH and DY in particular have given parenting histories that don’t match the day to day routine of K’s life. Both of these person are grieving for their missing son, and most likely feel they let him down by not protecting him. If they embellish their actual involvement a little and describe things more as they should have been, this is more of a coping mechanism than a lie

    Is there lying in this case? Of course there is. If LE ever interviewed K’s abductor, he obviously lied. For the most part, however, I believe, that most of the people involved with this case are presenting events as they understand at the time of their comments. Many, however, are speaking with limited knowledge. Many parties, also, are omitting potentially embarrassing details of their personal lives. That being said, I don’t believe that DY, TY, KH, or even TMH are actively lying and I think that banter on Blink’s blog would be much more civil if we could all reserve the word “lie” for malicious intention untruths. <>.

  10. grasshopper says:

    RedRose says,
    One thing for sure, whatever it was, Atty Houze will get her off. That is a given.

    Oh, BTW, how about the person paying her legal fees from Bend (if true) — what would be their reason for such expensie help.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    T was directed to Houze by an ATTORNEY from Bend.

  11. grasshopper says:

    A Texas Grandfather says:
    November 18, 2013 at 11:01 pm
    T. Ruth has come full circle on why things don’t make sense. The school is the key and IMO has always been the problem. LE did not do a thorough job investigating all the potential people who may have been present when Kyron went missing.

    The big question to me is why did it take the school several hours to even recognize that Kyron was missing and why were parents, school officials, Portland PD and the sheriff not notified within thirty minutes of the discovery?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    good point. school did not notice Kyron missing until his parents showed up. Porter apparently did not notice his jacket and backpack were still in her room, nobody gave a thought about the talent show where he was expected to perform but didn’t. I don’t believe in the Dr’s appt confusion. T would have made arrangements in the office about that so it could have been checked by Porter if she had a question. It was something to throw out to CYA. anyway not many dr.’s appts last all day. Why didn’t porter notice kyron never came back from his drink of water (Tanner), why didn’t matthews take note when Kyron returned from helping. Why didn’t anybody from the school, parents or teachers, come forward publicly to say Kyron was at the school after T left. It is inexplicable.

  12. grasshopper says:

    Rose says:
    November 19, 2013 at 1:04 am
    wrt “back to the school”
    it seems most reasonable to me the SZ at this science fair was associated with the school system in
    some manner & thus he blended.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    this would explain a lot. why EM recognized him to the degree that she trusted him. he’d know the routine. also the lack of notice that Kyron was missing leads me to wonder if students were routinely taken out of class for various enrichment, tutoring, or other sorts of one on one sessions, so for a student to be missing at any given time would not be unusual. it could be one of these people who was grooming and maybe SZ.

  13. grasshopper says:

    iirc, one of the restrictions placed on depositions is that a witness cannot be asked if he/she was interviewed by LE. So EM, for example, can’t be asked if LE interviewed her about Kyron leaving with the man, so they (LE) can pretend they didn’t know it happened. Is there any other reason for this restriction?

  14. Sunshine_4me says:

    Just read vw’s response to mom44 comment of Kaine’s statements. I have read this before but this time it gave me insight into KH’s relationship issues.

    ““kaine continues: there was alot of things that were happening in life and i spent alot of my time focused on my kids and my job and I didnt focus on her end in that I definitely should have spent more time but also with hindsight in the discussion ive had with other people…most normal people arent invested in their spouse on a day to day basis…”

    The last sentence in the above told me why KH has a history with moving woman to woman…’Most normal people aren’t invested in their spouse on a day to day basis.’

    *SNARK ALERT* By not being involved in your spouses life on a day to day basis, don’t ya think that is a contributing problem and explanation of your relationship problems?? I don’t see much investment by KH in his relationships (that mind you, produce children) and then when the relationship is not working out, he moves on to the next. UGH.

    Poor little Kyron has been lost in the melee of dysfunction.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    So was Jollee Patterson at any of the last Horman court sessions? Just curious.

    photo here:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/top_portland_school_leaders_pa.html

  16. T. Ruth says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2013/11/beaverton_school_bus_driver_dr.html

    Beaverton school bus driver drops kindergartner off with stranger at wrong stop

    Charollette Mandich got to her daughter’s bus stop early Wednesday and waited for the little blonde kindergartner to arrive from her half-day class at Errol Hassell Elementary.

    She waited and waited, past the time the bus usually arrived, watching Southwest 185th Avenue for the school bus. Nothing. She called Errol Hassell as she drove to the school, thinking the bus had dropped her daughter off at the school.

    She stepped into the school office and learned the driver had dropped off her daughter.

    “I don’t have her. Where is she?” Mandich said.

    Just then, the school phone rang and it was Jeremy Reisdorf. The father of a kindergartner on the same bus had Mandich’s daughter, Nataliah, and was walking her home. The bus had dropped her off half a mile from her house and Nataliah knew the way home.

    “If he hadn’t called the school, I never would have known where she was,” Mandich said. “The stories of Kyron (Horman) and all that. Stuff like that happens. It’s really scary because it could have been that bad.”

    Mandich said Reisdorf told her he questioned the driver as Nataliah climbed off the bus because he knew it wasn’t her stop, but the driver said the girl lived across the street and asked Reisdorf to walk her there. Reisdorf didn’t know Nataliah or her mother, his daughter is in a different kindergarten class.

    “He said the driver was frazzled and just drove away,” Mandich said.

    (snipped, more @link)

  17. RedRose says:

    Yes. Steven Houze.

    Poor Dave, in trouble with LE. Again. And he makes such GOOD bread!

    @vw says: November 19, 2013 at 12:50 am
    @ Amys Sister says: November 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    http://www.kgw.com/news/Founder-of-Daves-Killer-Bread-rams-Wash-Co-sheriffs-cruisers-232041621.html

    Did you happen to see who his lawyer is?

  18. GraceintheHills says:

    vw says:
    November 18, 2013 at 2:35 am
    @mom 44

    Vw says, “Thanks for the play-by-play. I think you got it

    In the end, you state Kaine states this:

    “kaine continues: there was alot of things that were happing in life and i spent alot of my time focused on my kids and myjob and I didnt focus on her end in that I definitely should have spent more time but
    also with hindsight in the discussion ive had with other people…most nrmal people arent invested in their spouse on a day to day basis…”

    IMO…he did NOT spend a lot of time “focused” on his kids other than posing for the obiligitory photos. He wasn’t the one teaching and working out the problems and issues. Never, once, have I heard him talk in length about the real issues the kids were facing. He was an “observer” in Kyron’s education. He trailed the fam to the outings. He hadn’t a clue as to James HS school issues. He never once spoke of going to a teacher-parent conference and contributing. Or to a soccer game for Kyron. Why do you think he states, over and over and over how he “tied Kiara’s shoes” and “told Kyron how proud he was” of him. No other stories? Like many men involved with polishing his body, extra-curricular activities and career, he was not involved with his family…other than monitoring, minutely, ever penny spent and accounted for.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    @Vw, KH’s words were “investigating their spouse”, NOT “invested in their spouse.”

    With all due respect, how can ANY of us know how involved KH was with his children/family? For all we know, he could have been an involved, loving father to his children.

  19. hervness says:

    vw says:
    November 19, 2013 at 12:50 am
    @ Amys Sister says:
    November 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    http://www.kgw.com/news/Founder-of-Daves-Killer-Bread-rams-Wash-Co-sheriffs-cruisers-232041621.html

    Did you happen to see who his lawyer is?

    **********************************************************************

    When I read that . . . I guess it makes sense. If you want the best defense . . .
    All in all, a bad situation all around. I was at first disappointed when he sold out half the business to an outside group, now I guess it was a blessing in disguise. I couldn’t go without my Good Seed.

  20. MockingbirdSings says:

    Rose says:
    November 19, 2013 at 1:25 am
    PPS has an in house General Counsel, and a Head of Security, both named here, and reports alleged crimes to the DA via Portland Police Bureau. Curious. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/da_vinci_middle_school_cyberbu.html#incart_river

    @Rose – thanks for the link.
    I will comment on 3 people who are mentioned.

    (1) Principal of daVinci is Fred Locke – worked with him when he was teaching dance, good man, good assignment.

    (2) “Jollee Patterson, the district’s general counsel, said she was stunned at the effort necessary to get a response from Instagram to take down all of the posts.”

    I don’t know her, but here’s another article mentioning her:
    http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-2677-portland_school_districts_attorney_fires_back_at_w.html

    PPS general counsel’s criticism re story on transgender student – note: Jollee Patterson signs as “General Counsel/Board Secretary”. (Dec, 2009) I didn’t know an attorney could also be the Board Secretary, or would want to. It doesn’t appear the general counsel and the superintendent communicated with each other in this instance.

    (response from the reporter) “The issue is not, as Patterson would have it, whether we report the story or not. It is instead how the story is handled. In our newsroom, we spent an enormous amount of time discussing exactly this. We discussed how to treat the story, which photos to use and not to use, and which reporting to include and which to leave out. (It’s worth pointing out that I spoke with Superintendent Carole Smith and her chief of staff about this story one week before we published it. Smith did not ask me to back off. Instead, she told me how gender identity was an issue she had confronted during her professional career many times.)”

    (3) “George Weatheroy, Portland Public’s head of security, said schools are facing a new frontier with social media sites giving rise to cyber-bullying. District officials have learned to take such threats seriously, he said.”

    George Weatheroy has always been one of my heroes. I’m not sure that he’s an actual employee of PPS – when I knew him, he wasn’t. I thought after PPS gave up their School Police Dept., the school LE were assigned to their tasks by PPB by application, experience, etc. Assuming that’s true, they might not spell out the relationship in every article. Tri-Met police are called that even though they come from local police departments and rotate in and out after several years.

    This link is to a great story about George Weatheroy, and an honest example of what’s in his heart.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/06/portland_police_sergeant_teach.html

    ————————————-

    This is from 2011. I found it very interesting in light of all we’ve said about Multnomah County prosecutors, etc. It seems like a great way to use the time and the people, but does it muddy their thinking about their roles? I don’t know.
    Note: Paul Weatheroy is George’s brother – in my work, I had great respect for both.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/07/multnomah_countys_misdemeanor.html
    “Over a six-month period, up to 10 Multnomah County prosecutors who usually handle misdemeanor cases were asked to dig into an unsolved Portland homicide.”

  21. T. Ruth says:

    @erose, yes, who was telling everyone not to talk? I’ve seen several references from people who post as locals saying they were asked not to talk about the science fair that day. Why? Did something else happen at the science fair? Makes no sense to be ordering people not to discuss the science fair at all. The picture B posted of the science fair is the only one I’ve seen anywhere other than the one’s taken by Terri. Why is that? Why would LE do that? Was it someone else asking these parents not to talk and not share photos?

    Anyway, back to the (hopefully) future, I’m going to go back and try to review what the locals were saying in the first days.

    I notice emma69 says that all doors were unlocked (as in sounds like always). Another interesting thing she says is she went back and checked newsletters and there was no call for parent volunteers to sign up for that day. I thought that was interesting for such a big event. Some early posts from a local:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:68dQ0YFCyv8J:blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-6/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

  22. vw says:

    Blink says,

    For the myriad of reader/posters that are thinking that because vw used the phrases “True dat” and “peeps” that it is me, it is not, lol.

    B
    Hey! I’m a great fan of 2nd language aquisition.

  23. T. Ruth says:

    Dang, I have too many tabs open, wrong link, here’s the one I meant to post

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vnf3-fsljlIJ:blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/07/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-search-intensifies-for-missing-7-yeard-old-portland-boy/comment-page-3/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

    and this is interesting June 12, and police are there every day inside the school

    emma69 says:
    June 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    The school does have a lot of parent volunteers. I have checked the newsletters and have not seen a request for parent volunteers for this event, though. It does not mean there weren’t any, but at least no explicit request. I do know that LE has looked into volunteers.

    I may be naive, but I feel that right now Skyline is the safest place to be anywhere in the US. We are surrounded by news trucks 24/7, there is LE in the school at all times, and everyone is hyper-vigilant. So I don’t think most parents are afraid for their kids. We are just all really concerned about Kyron and about not undertanding how something like this could have happened.

    *****************

    They knew where Terri was, what was this all about?

  24. erose says:

    @Rose, Your young reporter won an award for reporting on BSofA files:

    snip>
    Society of Professional Journalists: 2010 Northwest Excellence in Journalism Contest
    ◾Third place, Investigative Reporting: Les Zaitz & Nicole Dungca for “Secret Boy Scout Files”

    Need to add BSofA to the list with LE steroid investigation and teacher online porn investigation which were all occurring in 2010. If TH put James in BSofA, then odds are Kyron was in Cub Scouts. Maybe his scout leader (if he had one) came to school and asked Kyron for a hand.

    Rose says:
    November 19, 2013 at 8:36 am

    idk why this young reporter chose Portland over
    Chicago, but I hope she finds a Pulitzer award story in
    PPS & then gets out of Dodge (jmo) like that young
    Sandusky reporter did at State College
    http://ndungca.wordpress.com/about/

  25. erose says:

    Secret Boy Scout files document flawed history of child-protection in Oregon

    http://www.OregonLive.com
    May 22nd, 2010

    By LES ZAITZ and NICOLE DUNGCA

    http://www.boyscoutabuse.com/kelly-clark-in-the-news/secret-boy-scout-files-document-flawed-history-of-child-protection-in-oregon/

  26. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    November 19, 2013 at 12:31 am

    @RedRose wrt “So who?” A male fitting SZ’s description
    & behavior, including access to a white truck, known
    to be at or near Skyline on June 4 circa 9 am. Takes
    policework.

    *******

    I agree Rose, except the white truck may still be a red herring. Ky could have been seen outside near a white truck (even with someone in it) and have been whisked away into a vehicle (truck or car) parked right next to said white truck. May or may not have even been the Horman truck. Or maybe even Kyron being sighted by the white truck outside wasn’t even Kyron, but some child that resembled him. That sighting, leaked by DY, has never been confirmed by LE. (has it? Doubting self. Seeeee, I’m forgetting already!)

    This is what I mean about LE needing to release more info (if they even have it), IMO Kyron will never, ever be found if TMH is innocent, if they don’t do so. The longer this case goes on, the more people’s memories will fade, become distorted, and hell, it’s possible some will even have left us.

    What are they thinking? Shrug.

  27. erose says:

    Back to the beginning w/Blink, June 13, 2010:

    snip>

    Portland, Or– Kyron Horman, according to his parents, is an avid camper, beach go-er, and fisherman. While it is not known if Kyron is a cub scout, his older brother is a member of The Boy Scouts of America.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/13/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-would-opening-boy-scout-perv-files-help-find-him/

  28. Rose says:

    PPS GC elsewhere in the press
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/08/portland_public_schools_superi.html

    resume
    http://programandpolicy.wikispaces.com/file/view/Patterson+CV.doc

    PPS contracts over $2000 apparently go on this form.
    I guess if one foia’d these contracts for 09-10, one might find a contractor at Skyline.
    Outside Atty Condit is mentioned at Miller Nash reviewing bond materials.
    http://www.restoreeducationbeforebuildings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Response-to-Teresa-McGuire-Public-Records-Request.pdf

    interesting protest to WW, effectively answered by the reporter.
    Note C Smith’s comment.
    http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/blogs/blogView/id:2677
    Due to this article, I found her family role modeled leadership feminist values (deliberately not posting that url),

    She has been GC since 2000, & also holds the title “”Secretary to Board.”
    I’m familiar with the term Chief of Staff to a School Board.
    If this Board has no Chief of Staff, imo holding both “positions” could regulate what the Board sees.
    She has double the longevity of current Board members imo and therefore my opinion is may have played some role in Smith’s favorable application.

    She has written letters to editor on behalf of this school system when issues move her, therefore I wonder at her media silence in the summer of 2010 and since on Kyron’s abduction.

  29. erose says:

    @TRuth, I hold out hope that one day it will be one of Kyron’s classmates who solves this.

    T. Ruth says:
    November 19, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    snip>
    The longer this case goes on, the more people’s memories will fade, become distorted, and hell, it’s possible some will even have left us.

  30. erose says:

    Meet u @ sq 1

    T. Ruth says:
    November 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm

  31. Rose says:

    @erose. well I’m more interested in her college Honors knvestigation: evaluating County special ed policy thru the lens of kids in a Spec Ed pullout room. Idkhow tou’d get parent & school permission. But one coukd do tge same story series looking at the 2 schools, Skyline & George. Both schools share Keefer & Terrones. Skyline had a pullout room, but alsoinclusion. Plenty of paras there, with stability. George has a plethora of special ed staff & there Terrones works in what he’s certified in by Calif, basic life skills. Idk how heever got his 1st job as the sole school Resource in an inclusion environment withthat certification. You know he took the 10-11 year off. So if I had my wish she’d take a look at County SpEd policy thru the lens of kids & staff at those 2 schools. Particularly since yhe same principal &Resource has been at both, & eled & middle could be compared. Maybe she’d get background info on other matters.

    I bet the County burns a lot of money on SpEd, and I bet a lot of those kids in alternative schools should have been 504′d or iep’d early on. One poster mother to Cyberbullying article (url above) said she had to pull her autistic kid from his middle due to the extent of bulkying & the school never provided his aide. Probably enough ofthose stories in PPS for a class action imo. Btw, Baldwin keeps coming to my mind whenever I see the word Board.

  32. Rose says:

    sorry for all those typos.
    charging phone in car now
    & impatient.

  33. RedRose says:

    . . . so maybe they wanted the public focus to be on Terri and then SZ would get complacent?? And caught??

    @T. Ruth says: November 19, 2013 at 9:09 pm

  34. Rose says:

    @mbs. remembef the controversial Nov 2010 reassignment of School Resource Police from schools to consolidation in the North Precinct?
    http://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-form-youth-services-division/

    in 2009 (and before & after) , Paul W was the Supv of PPB Cold Cases & George W was a Sgt in Forensic Evidence.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/portland_police_video.html

    After decades of school volunteering, he apparently was so successful, Reese reassigned him in June 2012 from forensic evidence to be a school resource officer.
    https://m.facebook.com/PPARapSheet/posts/378969475500625

    idk why Patterson called him “Head of Security” because Cptn C Uehara heads YSD. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/59906

  35. Rose says:

    You’d think with one brother the cold case expert, and the other the
    forensic evidence & school security expert, Mr Underhill would have
    this case worked by PPB before they both retire.

  36. Rose says:

    @TRuth, wrt to url you posted.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/10/top_portland_school_leaders_pa.html
    I don’t see the GC photo but do see: “….The two employees who are contesting the state’s finding — former public affairs director Sarah Carlin Ames, who said she was the “point person” who wrote, edited or oversaw most of the district’s materials about the bond, and family communications manager Katie Essick — will defend their actions at a public hearing in late November or early December…..”

    I don’t get these 2 names because an A Haight was billing for same work in several contracts buried here in 2012 foia
    http://www.restoreeducationbeforebuildings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Response-to-Teresa-McGuire-Public-Records-Request.pdf

  37. Rose says:

    @GeorgiaDad. Lovely and thoughtful post re the issue of “lying.”
    My memory is hazy, and I don’t want to go search urls & verbatim statements
    at this hour. But didn’t Bunch or someone tell Kantor in Court LE “lies” as an
    investigative method, and Kantor agreed LE “lies?” So wrt to useage “lying”
    as an MCSO LE method seems the crux of what may have in part derailed this
    investigation.

  38. MockingbirdSings says:

    I got sidetracked following stories about George Weatheroy and came across this story and video from 2009. I couldn’t help wishing there was a video focused on this case and other missing children in general – something that specifically discusses the cost of silence – cost to the families, community, future victims, even the cost to someone who does not come forward. I hope you have time to watch this 9 minute video. I have a feeling it is not as OT as it might seem.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/portland_police_video.html
    (snipped)
    Portland police have developed a video called “The Cost of Silence,” hoping to show the human toll on the community when witnesses to a violent crime don’t come forward and help police.

    A brother of a homicide victim whose case went unsolved for 20 years, a two-time convicted murderer sentenced to 38 years and a man who got away with a violent killing for 17 years before confessing tell their stories.

    “The only peace you’re going to have is when you step forward and you tell the truth,” says David Lee Patterson, who turned himself in to Texas police in the spring of 2008 at age 60 and confessed to killing a man in Portland in 1991. A grand jury decided he acted in self-defense.

    Officers hope that the video, posted on YouTube and on the Portland Police Bureau’s Facebook page, will help persuade witnesses not to remain silent.

    “During an earthquake drill at the Justice Center, Schmautz asked Weatheroy for a video idea. Schmautz recalled Weatheroy saying, ‘How about the cost of silence?’ “

  39. Patricia says:

    Well said GeorgiaDad

  40. tiny says:

    This is all about covering the school’s ass. All of it. LE’s incompetence maybe but it begins and ends with the school. IF TMH is the perp then the school is off the hook.
    This cya involves huge bucks and is no small deal. Yes, to them, it is worth it all because they probably figure the kid is dead anyway, they are not hurting him. The adults being hurt are minor collateral damage which is better than a whole urban district being destroyed.
    Lies? Who cares, they’ve got to protect the beast.
    Sorry to be so cynical but that is my opinion.

  41. Patricia says:

    Michigan State Police have taken over the investigation of the missing Skelton boys who disappeared from their father’s care Thanksgiving weekend 2010.

    Snip

    John Skelton, who said he didn’t harm his children, told police he handed the boys over to a group he didn’t identify to protect them from their mother. He pleaded no contest to charges of unlawful imprisonment and is serving 10-15 years in prison.

    According to state police, the Morenci Police Department and FBI remain investigative partners in the case. State police said local police had vigorously investigated the case since it began, but this week’s change ensures that investigators have resources available going forward.

    Last month, investigators, prosecutors, behavioral experts and staff at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s headquarters in Alexandria, Va., gathered to discuss the case, The Daily Telegram of Adrian reported. Morenci Police Chief Larry Weeks helped lead discussions

    From The Detroit News:

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131120/METRO06/311200057/1361/Michigan-State-Police-take-lead-on-Morenci-missing-boys–case
    Snip

    @Blink: Any hope that the National Center will meet to discuss Kyron’s case?

    They would have to be asked.
    B

  42. Rose says:

    GC’s media silence seems uncharacteristic of her and might relate to the investigation.
    It turns out Mathews’ retirement was likely relevant. What were other staff changes?
    A relatively new employee in his first SpEd & PPS job, Terrones did not teach the following year,
    then returned to a different school. Did anyone retain notes on other staff changes
    in the school year 10-11? I don’t really want to go find the two years’ employee
    lists again to compare them.

  43. Rose says:

    It is possible Mathews and/or other witnesses might’ve said “I think Kyr went to help X,” and identified the man–pony or ups or janitor or staffer, say. When LE interviews him, he replies he saw Kyr return to the bldg, as he himself did & was seen, or he immediately thereafter was seen elsewhere. Who’s going to be able to convert him to a POI based on probable id of Rm 109 witnesses alone? Would take another crime or finding touch dna on Kyron.

  44. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    November 20, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Mastin (math/science) left immediately after and is teaching in Albuquerque NM, at Eisenhower middle school. (He was listed as a new teacher in a newsletter there put out in August of that year.)

    There was reference of a teacher leaving on FB the week Kyron went missing on Gardes’ & D. Keefer’s FB. I assume it was in regard to him resigning, but don’t know for certain.

  45. grasshopper says:

    Rose says:
    November 20, 2013 at 1:49 am
    @GeorgiaDad. Lovely and thoughtful post re the issue of “lying.”
    My memory is hazy, and I don’t want to go search urls & verbatim statements
    at this hour. But didn’t Bunch or someone tell Kantor in Court LE “lies” as an
    investigative method, and Kantor agreed LE “lies?” So wrt to useage “lying”
    as an MCSO LE method seems the crux of what may have in part derailed this
    investigation.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The way I remember it, it was Kantor who said, “What if he (cop) lied? Cops lie to people all the time.” I believe this was the “quash subpoenas” hearing, and bunch was hoping to depose K and O’D to get at the info K was given by LE. I remember it surprised me that the judge would say this.

  46. grasshopper says:

    tiny says:
    November 20, 2013 at 10:04 am
    This is all about covering the school’s ass. All of it. LE’s incompetence maybe but it begins and ends with the school. IF TMH is the perp then the school is off the hook.
    This cya involves huge bucks and is no small deal. Yes, to them, it is worth it all because they probably figure the kid is dead anyway, they are not hurting him. The adults being hurt are minor collateral damage which is better than a whole urban district being destroyed.
    Lies? Who cares, they’ve got to protect the beast.
    Sorry to be so cynical but that is my opinion.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This is very interesting. I’ve always thought the school should be held accountable and that more info should be released concerning that day but I never looked at the bigger picture. We used to talk about union collusion in covering things up, LE union and teachers union want to protect each other, but the school has a great deal more to lose. also individual cops are sometimes investigated, LE as a dept and DA as a dept are never investigated. they appear to be shielded from accountability. The only teachers in this area who are investigated is because of sexual issues. running off with student, molesting students. If the info about what really happened in this school this day ever comes out there will be huge shock. I don’t believe however that there will be much financial impact on the district. They too are immune from everything. Union is strong and teachers are in solidarity. tiny’s statement that a little bit of collateral damage such as a woman’s life being destroyed by accusations and vilification, and the destruction of amother daughter relationship for 3 and a half years and counting, for no reason at all, are trivial compared to the “good” the school district does.

  47. nate0419 says:

    tiny says:

    November 20, 2013 at 10:04 am

    agree with your post.

    erose says:

    November 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    @TRuth, I hold out hope that one day it will be one of Kyron’s classmates who solves this.

    I have always felt that when Kaine spoke about the number of years it would take to solve this case the number represented age requirement for depos from the older children at Skyline without parents consent.
    (I am assuming that parents can keep them from it as a minor)

  48. T. Ruth says:

    Some more early comments from a self-professed local posting on Olive, Chester Pane:

    OregonLive.com

    Elphie,

    The students, parents, administrators, faculty and anyone who is affiliated with the school have been asked by investigators not to talk about the case.

    Of course not everyone will comply, but most have. I obtained this information from Skyline School Parents.
    Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 9:25:46 AM

    http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/wickerschiemer/index.html

    Interesting that this poster seems to have quit posting after the disbanding of the TF came out, June 2011. I hope the locals haven’t given up looking for Kyron.

    It’s been over three years, I think it should be obvious that not talking hasn’t worked at all. I would love to hear what some of the locals think now that the word is out that Terri was not the last person to see Kyron at the school.

    *Olly-olly-oxen-free, come out, come out where ever you are!*

    *******************
    @mbs thanks for that link will watch it later when I have a bit more time! I don’t think it’s off topic at all. *The Cost of Silence*…..perfectly describes this case and its complications that have risen therefrom.

  49. Amys Sister says:

    tiny says:

    November 20, 2013 at 10:04 am
    _____

    Absolutely. Protecting the school has cost time, money, and the possibility of never solving this case.

    It’s also negatively impacted the image of MCSO who has supported the endeavor to protect the school.

    And, yes, the bios bought it hook, line, and sinker.

    Whoever took Kyron is very likely familiar with Skyline specifically or local schools in general. Quite possibly a current or previous staff member of Oregon Schools.

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