Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. erose says:

    @Rose, SZ = Employee #103752 ?

  2. erose says:

    @TRuth, I can access the OLive videos, but have the same problem you described loading the DAD thread.

    Will advise IT- but nothing has been edited here.
    B

  3. erose says:

    So how does it go down when LE gets to the school? You have custodial parents saying one was at work and has no knowledge of what occurred at the school that day, and the other, a stepparent that states she and Kyron attended the SF and at 8:45 (which I believe is when one of two bells rang) she walked him within steps of his classroom and left.

    We know from HofB that Hall, the school secretary, Porter, Kyron’s teacher and Matthews, the teacher who gave the nod for Kyron to help someone are all integral to who knew what about Kyron and when. It could be that Hall was witness to something by virtue of the location of her office, or only that she had knowledge of the attendance records for that day.

    Hall was still at the school when the Horman’s showed up, iirc, and I believe Blink told us that Porter was called back to the school. When did the information about Matthews nod surface? Was she called back to the school? When did LE speak (if ever) with the chaperone. If we go by the mayors tweet, on June 6th, LE was still looking to ID the mystery man in the photos, and the WWeek ran a story on the 22nd where they later updated the man had been ID’d? What took so long? Why didn’t Kyron’s chaperone get his azz to the school upon hearing that a child in his charge that day went missing.

    TH’s email about the chaperone and two girls is dated June 5th, which leads me to believe within the first 24 hours Kyron was thought to be in a group. (Either with a bona fide chaperone, or attached to a group which gives the appearance of him being chaperoned.) Either way, how does that translate into him being at the doctor’s?

    The children’s projects were displayed on their desks. We can see Kyron and the project from the widely publicized photo shopped picture of Kyron standing by his desk. So, where is the backpack and coat reportedly left *on his desk* (his chair looks empty) that he and TH presumably dropped off in his classroom (prior to touring the rest of the SF)?

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

    http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1143-kyron_horman_update_man_spotted_in_photo_from_step.html

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rdtaTFtgmQUJ:blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  4. erose says:

    @Blink, FWIW, The article appears but the comments cannot be accessed.

    ty erose- will put the bleeksquad on it, lol
    B

  5. Rose says:

    Hats off to TRuth. as usual!
    I am lost too by now. Sometimes a question here sends me off for information, & by the time
    I get it, I’ve forgotten the Q. I think it was why EM left. Retired or otherwise.

    Someone said here E Mathews did not return to Skyline in fall 2010,
    I thought. She must be in some PPS el ed if she contracted thru 2014.
    The only way to figure that out, besides a phone call to PPS, is to look at every eled website (not me).
    So if she had a continuing contract, she had no internally viewed culpablity or termination or voluntary departure.

    & you’ve answered, also, that PM was a 2nd yr probationary in 09-10.
    Junior to Porter for goodness sakes
    Nothing wrong with probation. Every new teacher was once there.
    His departure to Albuquerque is understandable.

    re Keefer as manager. Why so much turnover? in a small quiet school
    teachers should love. Why did he hire newcomers to teaching without experience?
    All a puzzle. Why does the PTA not question their PPS principals & hires.
    The same reason they didn’t question all facets of Kyron’s abduction vocally as
    an entity. For that matter, I don’t remember the County PTA body kicking in.

  6. Rose says:

    Probably the same force field that hit various McStay pages.

    Oye already. Concur.
    B

  7. vw says:

    Senior moment!
    Sorry, MOM, at #31 (I didn’t mean to refer to your post, as adroit as it was).

    I was referring in #37 to Truth’s comment about early Olive commenters and about one that I read, too, from the same Olive story, and mentioned without citing in my #36.

    Please accept my apologies.

  8. vw says:

    Staton: December 4th, 2010

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

    Invites Maxine and Anna C from Ch. 6 to visit the “war room”

    States: “flood of information” bogs down the investigation.
    People of note: Herron,
    Things of note: 646 separate search assignments
    FBI software sorts 4,257 tips so far (as of 12/04/10)
    155 sq miles HAVE BEEN search (as of 12/04/10)

    Thoughts roaming around the brains of MCSO:

    More than one person involved

    More than one crime committed:
    1. #1 is the MFH
    2. 1+1 includes the MFH
    3. 1+abduction, trafficking, murder = options
    4. TMH + “handful of associates/friends incl. Dede = #4

    Staton thinks end of task force, 2/01/11 will “shake loose” something and a suspect may be named.

    Interesting, to me, note: I’d thought a professional technical person was called in for the year with and paid for with the 209,000 OT. But it was a “former record’s employee” named Jantet Hailey who double-dipped? to record what comes in, “disseminate them to task members, imput leads into the FBI Rapid Start computer network, and scan and file all case reports”

  9. erose says:

    @Rose, At least your theories aren’t shot to shit by a pronoun, lol.

    LOL
    B

  10. erose says:

    FTR, I think yesterday was senior moment day.

    vw says:
    November 24, 2013 at 1:56 am
    snip>
    Senior moment!

  11. Rose says:

    @Grasshopper. a certain personality disorder comes to mind.
    If it weren’t this (if Kyron weren’t missing), it would be something else.
    imo

  12. Rose says:

    no explicit speech on this public page, posting here for a picture of the sidewalk art
    https://m.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Hormans-World-Soldiers/161645780592018?id=161645780592018&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
    click more info, show’s the Admin’s Website. Click website, shows the Ramirez money
    solicitation gofundme. maybe it funded their coffee.
    Blink, I don’t think calling 911 followed by a police visit generates a police report, just a 911
    report. I guess Desiree & Kaine have gotten estranged again, for her to aide Respondant’s
    case so. She’s also hurting her custody case bigtime should Kyron return. It was always clear
    when these pages were open this group acts at her direction.

    If a patrol is dispatched for any reason or “responds” to a 911 or direct call, they are required to file an incident report. In general they are very short and vague- however, in this instance where there is a clear need for concerns of breach of peace or further escalation. Really unfortunate behavior, imo.
    B

  13. Rose says:

    A couple days ago the AntiDeDe page was all a kerfuffle as apparently one of their own (iirc named
    Joan?) fell out with tgem and out up an exact replica fake page. They said the only diff was the isp or
    whatever–some number at the top. Maybe this hacker branched out. So if your DAD thread’s
    problem shows activity by the “fake” page’s number, I recommend that police report. To read the kerfuffle,
    your IT can type AntiDeDe into google & both pages show.

  14. grasshopper says:

    #11 @Blink

    don’t know if you want to post this FB link or if folks can access it but here are the police cars
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=681572501875174&set=pcb.681572705208487&type=1&theater

    here is the chalk drawings: “Bring Kyron Home’ and “We will never give up.”
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=681572501875174&set=pcb.681572705208487&type=1&theater

    here are people with Kyron’s pictures, chalked words and Desiree in the middle in gray. if you read comments you will see many references to supporting Desiree.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=538745699548689&set=a.161677770588819.38626.161645780592018&type=1&theater

    They proudly posted these on facebook pages, got numerous likes.

  15. T. Ruth says:

    grasshopper says:
    November 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Unflipplin’ believable. I’m a at a loss for words except one, insanity. You know, doing the same thing over and over with the same results.

    If any of these people, are associated with Kaine Horman, he’s screwed via his court order limiting contact via third parties. Would that be contempt of court? I truly think that TMH, and/or her parents need to put out an RO against DY&TY, and their associated 3rd parties as well.

    If these folks would put their efforts into trying to find Kyron, and I don’t mean some merit-less redundant search, but into fact finding, maybe Kyron would have already been found.

    This just saddens me.

    I wonder if she did this to get out of having to participate in the evaluation process in some way. I can’t come up with a why factor at the moment, but Kantor was pretty specific with Engel at the last hearing. Or conversely, to interfere with it somehow.

    I would offer is that is the case and she is being given information as to evaluator schedules or something like that, it does risk blowback on Kaine wrt the current civil order. The interests are aligned to give rise to that 3rd party status.

    Lastly- I really cringe when I see such hate mongering- it is senseless. If any of those people TRULY believed that TMH alone holds the answer to Kyron’s location- if someone off’s her or she offed herself then nobody would ever know, under that auspice.

    No matter what one believes about guilt or innocence, it is pretty clear that recovering Kyron is not the priority for these people. Not only is this barking up the wrong tree- they are in the wrong orchard.
    B

  16. T. Ruth says:

    That was supposed to say @grasshopper says, sorry, I often forget my wittle “@”.

  17. T. Ruth says:

    @vw says:
    November 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    FWIW, Yes I think Dede was their new leads and “furtherance of old leads”, etc. That’s why I was wondering when the latest GJ was called before or after Dede testified. Rees never really specifies, just says they were recently meeting. We cannot know what Dede testified in the GJ, for all we know LE’s focus may have been shifted to someone other than TMH. Is it possible that something Dede said has now cleared the way to focus on another uncleared suspect? With the recent court proceedings, it certainly sounds that way.

    Thanks for re-posting MCSO’s statement. More and more, it appears to me that LE did indeed want to sever the relationship between the two bio parents. For what reason, IDK, but it is an interesting thought. Cases where this has happened before anyone?

    I know in the Dugard case, Jaycees’ mom & an innocent defacto suspect step dad ended up getting divorced. Could that have been the result of LE leaning on the step dad so much so, that her mother began to have her doubts about him?

    Desiree’s comment about not be able to stand by Kaine due to the lifestyle choices “he is making”? WTH was she talking about? I don’t think Kaine Horman went up to her and provided her with the details of his lifestyle. So where did she hear about said lifestyle choices? Was she being fed information by LE in order to sever their relationship? IDK, just food for thought.

  18. grasshopper says:

    stacey green’s twitter acct, you can keep up on hater activities and how embedded D is in them

    https://twitter.com/pinkspiritgirl

  19. January says:

    Thanks grasshopper for the link.

    I wish DY directed this type of behavior towards LE instead of Terri.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=538745699548689&set=a.161677770588819.38626.161645780592018&type=1&theater

  20. Rose says:

    If Houze/Bunch decide to include information at trial wrt orchestrated threats to TH precludung work, the real data to subpoena are all DY emails relating to TH and/or KH back to start, but oarticularly 2013.

    Why? imo She no longer organizes by social media on any of these pages. She organizes by email.
    This is my opinion only because during a media appearance this year (i think Dr Phil), iirc KH said he welcomed volunteers thru his website but she asked volunteers to contact her directly by email & provided her email address. Bunch can discredit DY with an evaluator by subpoenaing a complete record of her emails (with forensic computer
    recoveries).

    Blink, certain PDs cannot offer a rational reason, the mere stirring of the pot suffices.

  21. Rose says:

    @vw.
    wrt: “I’d thought a professional technical person was called in for the year with and paid for with the 209,000 OT. But it was a “former record’s employee” named Jantet Hailey who double-dipped? to record what comes in, “disseminate them to task members, imput leads into the FBI Rapid Start computer network, and scan and file all case reports”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/#comments

    Another Manhas? (who does the “former records clerk” have ties to?)

  22. Rose says:

    iirc leadership Green has connected herself with KH thru organizing events at his Wall of Hope & thru promoting his BKH site & fundraising. Off to substantiate my memory, I stumbled on this amusement.
    https://m.connect.facebook.com/BringKyronHome/posts/317931588225999
    SG complains her comment was deleted. While another highly visible Desiree team poster is told
    by KH’s site Administrator BKH does not gave Desiree’s address. (Guess he really did not drive there?)
    So imo operation plausible deniability extended back to Dec ’11.

  23. Rose says:

    correction BKH does not “have” DY’s address

  24. Mom3.0 says:

    RE vw says:
    November 24, 2013 at 1:56 am

    Sorry, MOM, at #31 (I didn’t mean to refer to your post, as adroit as it was).

    I was referring in #37 to Truth’s comment about early Olive commenters and about one that I read, too, from the same Olive story, and mentioned without citing in my #36.

    Please accept my apologies.

    Hi VW
    Its okay no need to apologize although I appreciate it-

    Great vocab VW “adroit” that was my word of the day :)

    Are there any “Quantum Leap” tv show fans here?

    Well there was a three part story that hits home for me when I read about Desiree and her misguided grief/desperation/anger driven strikes against Terri

    QL
    Trilogy Part I (One Little Heart) – August 8, 1955

    Trilogy Part II (For Your Love) – June 14, 1966

    Trilogy Part III (The Last Door) – July 28, 1978

    To summarize, it begins sort of like The Bad Seed- two little girls fighting over a locket-

    One little girl disappears and the other is the last known with her-

    The Disappeared girls mother is grief stricken and devastated and believes that other little girl killed her daughter- she doesnt have the proof of said murder- and with each passing year becomes more and more sad mad vengeful & determined- to the point of inciting a mob to violence- all to achieve the justice for her daughter that the courts can not/will not bring her…

    She believes she is fighting the good fight a fight for the truth and for her daughter against the unpunished killer-

    She becomes so convinced of her beliefs and her crusade to right the wrongs- that she becomes that what she most abhors
    She is willing to kill and do anything to “bring justice” to the person who she believes took her daughter from her- She becomes the person who stands in the way of justice & the truth

    She inadvertently works to prevent the truth coming to light in her daughters disappearance- ultimately she resorts to committing a murder and trying to pin it on the girl- “who got away”

    My point is that although I understand and sympathize with Desiree she needs to stop all these offensives-
    She is only aiding in obstructing the justice she seeks- she is giving Terri and her lawyers justification of all of their claims -that Terri will never get work
    -that Terri wont be able to get a fair trial-
    -that Terri is vilified and in danger of crazy misguided people with vendettas-

    Desiree is making it easier to believe that she will say and maybe do anything to make sure “justice is served” –

    what would that include? IDK but with these actions it makes the question legitimate

    She is making it seem that she is either in league with or is inciting a mob against Terri

    Her behaviors are easy to twist into a mantra
    that truth and justice mean little to this mob and by extension her and nomatter what happens terri will always be considered “the one”…

    In essence with these cont actions Desiree risks becoming the person she thinks Terri is- someone that is so blinded by her own hurts and \wants vengeance so much so she will stop at nothing to make the person who hurt her pay the worst price-

    just as she believes terri acted to hurt Kaine and her by taking Kyron

    is she now willing to do anything to hurt terri – How much?

    again as the actions escalate they can serve only to legitimize the questions

    IF Terri is guilty or knows something Desiree is playing right into her hands-

    If Terri is innocent Desiree is in the wrong and is still helping the person she believes is the BG by making their case in court

    Desiree is making it harder for LE to do their jobs

    and if she truly believes Terri hurt Kyron than she is again becoming the person she most hates as with these actions isnt she risking Kiaras welfare as she is helping to make Terris case for custody..

    Isnt she only giving talking points to those who she considers “Pro” Terri-

    isnt She only hurting herself and those she wishes to protect Kyron, the investigation , Kiara and James regardless of actual guilt or innocence they are hurt by Desirees actions arent they?

    I pray she wont let the desperation anger and grief consume her entirely -as i dont think Ky would want that at all.
    Not for his Momma

    Dear Desiree I think we all support you never giving up on finding Kyron
    I think we all support you in wanting justice
    I think we all understand that you are hurting in the dark

    please dont give yourself up to the darkness, as I know none of us could ever support that.

    AJMO Peace

  25. Rose says:

    @grass. TY for twitter link. Won’t tead it but it clarifies who pinkspiritgirl is.
    Imo a scarey stalker. Interestingly Ramirez on gofundme thanked her for her car wash fundraising idea at Kaine’s Wall, advertised it, & accepted & acknowledged the proceeds (something like $8? I forget, very low).
    Personally I’d have refused a dime from a stalker, but I guess gofundme is in need.

    Before this goes private, thanks to outing, I hope Marlene copies all of it, plus followers.

  26. Rose says:

    @Mom 3.0. You wrote the best reasoned post ever.
    Sadly, I do not think the reasoning you offer
    moves DY, & the Team she has attracted & sanctioned
    & received money from on gofundme. Imo her actions
    post abduction are likely a continuum with prior psychological
    functioning.

  27. Rose says:

    my gosh. just glanced at pinkie’s followers. a sampling:

    Kai Porter @Fox12
    Marc Klaas
    Waynegarcia@kptv
    amberalert
    portlandredcross (!!!!)
    angelicathornton@katu
    stevedunn@katu
    OregonStateParks

    my gosh,
    1) how easy it is for nonprofit or gov’t employees to execute a Twitter follow for the Org.
    2) how easy it is for TV media to Follow & face no workplace consequences
    3) what’s up with MKlaas? I’ve had questions about him wrt thus case before.

    Imo these followers are feeding grandiose thinking.
    In this social media age, Companies need to institute
    policies all employees sign, saying you cannot have corp
    identified (workplace) on-line linkages without supervisory
    approval, & meeting xyz standards of info gathering.

  28. RedRose says:

    People do really desperate things in their unending grief. Everyone is hurt.

    @Rose says: November 24, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    @Mom 3.0. You wrote the best reasoned post ever.

  29. T. Ruth says:

    June 5: Sheriff’s Office News Release

    The following is a news release issued June 5, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.

    News Release from: Multnomah Co. Sheriff’s Office MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERRIFF’S OFFICE CONTINUES SEARCH FOR 7 YEAR OLD KYRON HORMAN Posted: June 5th, 2010 9:06 AM

    Kyron did not return home on his school bus as scheduled at 330 PM Friday June 4. Family called Skyline Elementary School to report that he had not returned home. Multnomah County Sherriff’s Office was contacted at approximately 4 PM.

    Kyron’s stepmother reports she last saw him at approximately 845 AM Friday, walking down the hallway towards his classroom. School staff report not seeing him after 845 AM and that he did not make it to his classroom. Multnomah County called in their Search and Rescue team to begin their search of the area surrounding the school. As the evening progressed, SearchOne Canine Inc. and Portland Police also joined in the search.

    A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.

    Search and Rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine Inc., Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine, along with additional members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Members continued their searching throughout the night, encompassing over 20 miles of road and 2 square miles. Portland Police Bureau’s air unit was another resource called in.

    This morning, at approximately 7 AM, Multnomah County Sherriff’s Office readied for their second operational period.

    The mission is the same as last night; that being to locate Kyron Horman. Also, ordering more resources, which include Search and Rescue resources from Washington County Sherriff’s Office, Yamhill County Sherriff’s Office, Clark County Washington, Pacific NW Search and Rescue, and a National Guard helicopter.

    Anyone with information regarding Kyron Horman whereabouts is asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office tip line 503 261-2847, or to dial 911 with emergency information.

    Contact Info: Lt. Mary Lindstrand

    Public Information Officer

    Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office

    http://www.kptv.com/story/14789228/june-5-sheriffs-office-news-release-6-06-2010

    Straight from MCSO’s mouth on June 5, 2010. The very next morning after Kyron had disappeared. So what happened here? Did LE not interview EM? If they hadn’t, why not say they weren’t through interviewing all the staff yet. (I mean, it was a Friday, some people do tend to leave on Friday afternoon/evening for some weekend destination, that would be understandable, if LE had not been able to get hold of someone.) Had they or had they not interviewed all staff by 9:06 a.m. on the 5th?

    I had been thinking that at first (as in June 5) LE thought Kyron was seen later in the morning and then a couple of days later said he wasn’t seen by staff after 8:45, as in someone was mistaken about time or perhaps a different child. But, here in black & white with Kyron missing only 24 hours they issue a public report saying no staff saw Kyron after 8:45.

  30. sam h says:

    Iirc desiree said her comments about kh lifestyle choices when pple were alledging wife swapping inn the blogs.
    @erose-
    have beeen following yyour theories on sz removing kyron and i like the way u look at every possibility. i keep wondering thoh if e.m .was ever questioned, before this thread anyway. afteading blinks interviee with dede spiccher i have a dread feeling that nothing but tmh or he wandered off was ever checked. imo sz could have walked in and out with kyron and had no effort to cover his tracks. no le interrview of chaperones, teachers, janitors. if pareents and students were interviewed i think , like the press info it was only in reguatds to terri . did u see her? What time? Etc. comments re sz or anything else were disregarded, i fear, just like anythin dede said that didnt fit their idea that it was tmh. now three yrs later le is not eanting tmh defensee to talk to anyone that might have another evidense. . hope u and all the other blink posters keep dogging this, i think its close.

  31. sam h says:

    Sorry, man was never intended to type with pinky. mmust return to fighting dinosaeurs and discovering fire now. lol

  32. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Imo the story you’ve linked to establishes that mcso were liars to the
    public from 9 am on 6/5 because they didn’t give real reason for the Major Crimes Team taking the lead (“more resouces”, hah). If mcso didn’t have The Story of Room 109 departure from premises by that time, from Mathews,
    I’m shocked. All Keefer had to do was ring each teacher asking when he last saw KH. Any small el ed could nail it in less than 24 hrs.

  33. erose says:

    Thanks Sam. Like you, I also wonder if EM said nothing, maybe she forgot the exchange IDK, and it was the interviews with the children (and maybe that parent in the picture) that corroborated each other and the exchange could not be denied. My process works like this; I have mass confusion, which is me dumping information, or reformatting it, and then there is the epiphany, (personal, not crime solving) of which I patiently await. I don’t expect to find SZ, I guess I just expect for some of this to make some sense in my own mind.

  34. MockingbirdSings says:

    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2010-2011_Action_Minutes.pdf
    (Rose’s link again)

    July 19, 2010
    RESOLUTION No. 4313
    Expenditure Contracts that Exceed $25,000 Limit for Delegation of Authority
    RECITAL
    Board Policy 8.90.101-P, “Contracts,” requires the Board of Education (“Board”) enter into contracts and approve payment for products, materials, supplies, capital outlay, equipment, and services whenever the total amount reaches $25,000 or more annually per contractor. Contracts meeting this criterion are listed
    below.
    Mountain States Networking
    07/12/10 Purchase Order
    PO 94966
    District-wide: Purchase of one IDS/IPS device for monitoring District network for malicious activities and policy violations.
    Fund 101
    Dept. 5560
    $33,554
    $0
    N. Jwayad

    I wonder what this is. I thought “malicious activities” would be computer viruses etc., but “policy violations”? Anybody know what that might mean the district was looking for? It sounds more personal. Maybe it’s a tech term I’m not familiar with?

    Also –
    Mountain States Networking
    07/20/10 Purchase Order
    PO 95139
    District-wide: Purchase of hardware and 6,200 software licenses for
    E911 for all District VoIP phones.
    Fund 205
    Dept. 5581
    Grant G0919
    $47,854
    $900
    N. Jwayad

    PPS already had VoIP phones – maybe this was a renewal or updated – they weren’t that old that you would expect to replace them? I know when we got our new phones as I was retiring, they were phasing them in for the whole district but I thought that was finished well before 2010. Now, I’m wondering whether Skyline had VoIP phones or still had Qwest regular phone service – anyone know?

    We got ours early in the process, I was told, because we had a 4 story building which was huge and had no intercoms or other way to contact everyone at once. In a crisis (of which there were many), the office printed a notice and we had available staff go to every room and deliver them – a heckuva way to communicate, especially if there was a bomb threat, weapon involved, mace in the halls, etc. The only other options were fire alarm and 5 bells for lockdown. VoIP phones in the rooms were supposed to improve on that and facilitate teachers calling parents.

    There were so many problems in the beginning that I finally started testing the teachers’ phones myself (with their cooperation) and notifying IT re incorrect numbers and functions that didn’t work. Don’t know why administrators didn’t do stuff like that – I was a counselor – communication was my top priority for survival and counseling – besides I just can’t stand to have things not working.

  35. MockingbirdSings says:

    I’m sure PPS has need of a lot of legal work on a regular basis. These just stood out to me because of the timing as I was looking at the same link from Rose. I only got through page 128.
    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2010-2011_Action_Minutes.pdf

    AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING CONTRACTS
    Mersereau Shannon LLP
    07/01/10 through 06/30/11
    Legal Services
    LS 55974
    Amendment 2
    District-wide: One-year extension of contract for legal services in a variety of areas, as needed and under supervision of General Counsel.
    Fund 601
    Dept. 5540
    $50,000
    $210,000
    $0
    B. Meyers

    from this firm’s website:
    “Our firm focuses its practice in the areas of municipal law, litigation, and finance, representing municipalities and other public bodies. We are currently eligible legal counsel for the Oregon School Boards Association Property & Casualty Trust, the Special Districts Association of Oregon, and represent municipalities in insurance defense matters. We have provided bond counsel services to every state agency, and to every major city, county and school district in Oregon.”

    Graham M. Hicks, PC
    07/01/10 through 06/30/11
    Legal Services
    LS 55753
    Amendment 4
    District-wide: One-year extension of contract for continued legal services.
    Fund 101
    Dept. 5528
    $30,000
    $105,000
    J. Patterson

    From linkedin.com
    President – Graham M. Hicks, P.C.
    January 2006 – Present (7 years 11 months)

    Partner – Miller Nash LLP
    Partnership; 201-500 employees; Law Practice industry
    August 1974 – December 2005 (31 years 5 months)
    Attorney and partner, practicing in corporate litigation and education law.

    Graham Hicks’ Skills & Expertise
    Litigation
    Special Education
    Education Law
    Mediation
    Legal Writing

  36. vw says:

    T. Ruth says:
    November 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    grasshopper says:
    November 23, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Unflipplin’ believable. I’m a at a loss for words except one, insanity. You know, doing the same thing over and over with the same results.

    If any of these people, are associated with Kaine Horman, he’s screwed via his court order limiting contact via third parties. Would that be contempt of court? I truly think that TMH, and/or her parents need to put out an RO against DY&TY, and their associated 3rd parties as well.

    If these folks would put their efforts into trying to find Kyron, and I don’t mean some merit-less redundant search, but into fact finding, maybe Kyron would have already been found.

    This just saddens me.

    I wonder if she did this to get out of having to participate in the evaluation process in some way. I can’t come up with a why factor at the moment, but Kantor was pretty specific with Engel at the last hearing. Or conversely, to interfere with it somehow.

    I would offer is that is the case and she is being given information as to evaluator schedules or something like that, it does risk blowback on Kaine wrt the current civil order. The interests are aligned to give rise to that 3rd party status.

    Lastly- I really cringe when I see such hate mongering- it is senseless. If any of those people TRULY believed that TMH alone holds the answer to Kyron’s location- if someone off’s her or she offed herself then nobody would ever know, under that auspice.

    No matter what one believes about guilt or innocence, it is pretty clear that recovering Kyron is not the priority for these people. Not only is this barking up the wrong tree- they are in the wrong orchard.
    B

    Blink,

    First off, unbelievable that DY has stooped this low. But, really, where does DY go from “there”….a betrayed wife and birth mother of a missing son raised by a stepmom (with her sanctions and gratitute originally).

    She goes to “here” – to stalking again. In order to instill more allegiance and support from the dwindling base? More searches won’t get her more attention now, as so she has one last chance to so what? Obviously none of her “evidence” panned out, in her searches. And since she has justified the suit money by conducting a mostly volunteer search, what now? And, as the Phil show suggested, and Kaine re-inforced, her ” can’t tell you because of the ‘investigation’” has worn threadbare thin.

    But, secondly, Blink, are you referring to DY being a center of the “evaluations” regarding the visitation and possibly custody of Kiara?

    Because other than Dr. V. interviewing her regarding Kaine’s and TMH’s parenting abilities I think she has very little say in what the ultimate custody provisions will be.

    As of now…I would truly wonder whether or not these desparate measures, with no purpose, are saying more about D.Young’s stability at this point vs. TMH’s?

    Correct she is not a party, but in her interviews who really thinks she can stick to objective and factual information when she is drawing in chalk in the street while holding a grande. She has already said publicly what she wants to tell Kantor, so I presume the evaluator will be that conduit.

    Im not sure I am blaming DY for her stability issues at this point- I think I am blaming those egging her on instead of encouraging her to be working with a qualified therapist.
    B

  37. vw says:

    T. Ruth says:
    November 24, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    @vw says:
    November 23, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    FWIW, Yes I think Dede was their new leads and “furtherance of old leads”, etc. That’s why I was wondering when the latest GJ was called before or after Dede testified. Rees never really specifies, just says they were recently meeting. We cannot know what Dede testified in the GJ, for all we know LE’s focus may have been shifted to someone other than TMH. Is it possible that something Dede said has now cleared the way to focus on another uncleared suspect? With the recent court proceedings, it certainly sounds that way.

    —–

    @Truth

    They, (Rosenthall and Engel,et all motions etc… as well as DA office affidavits) have been deliberately vague about this GJ that has be subpoened, off and on, during the last year or so. As things legally heat up, i notice more empassioned notice of Grand Jury involvelment. But as we all know…the GJ is at the beck and call of the DA’s office…can be brought forth, abandoned, or re-convened depending on whether or not DA’s like Underthehill like the progress, or decisions.

    It’s a tool. Statements like Rosenthal’s unprofessional one, that Dede was called up…, only prove the point.
    Rosenthall could not answer the obvious question the media was asking when DY dropped the suit to prevent her and TY from being depoed:

    “Didn’t you know from the beginning LE wouldn’t give you their files”? Several reporters asked, more than once.

    So he played he Dede card, instead. GJ and all.

    And DY played the Madonna card. In blue and white, and with a white tissue supplied by Rosenthal.

  38. vw says:

    Mom3.0 says:
    November 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    @Mom

    You go, girl. I hope she is listening, as I fear for her own sanity. She has another son, who I think she is seeing more of now. And potential to do good in the world.
    She needs to let it go. She doesn’t need to “break” Kaine or TMH anymore.

    They are already broken.

  39. vw says:

    erose says:
    November 24, 2013 at 2:50 am
    FTR, I think yesterday was senior moment day.

    LOL

  40. vw says:

    @Rose says:
    November 24, 2013 at 3:52 pm
    @vw.
    wrt: “I’d thought a professional technical person was called in for the year with and paid for with the 209,000 OT. But it was a “former record’s employee” named Jantet Hailey who double-dipped? to record what comes in, “disseminate them to task members, imput leads into the FBI Rapid Start computer network, and scan and file all case reports”
    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/#comments

    Another Manhas? (who does the “former records clerk” have ties to?)

    ——

    My question, too. FBI needs her to help?

  41. vw says:

    @Rose

    “The move by District Attorney Ryan Joslin, citing a state statute allowing a judge to be removed, postponed the case against the teen until a new judge could be assigned. Under Oregon law, an attorney isn’t required to specify the reason for seeking a new judge, said Tammy Wheeler, trial court administrator for Harney and Grant counties.

    “An attorney simply has to state that he doesn’t believe the judge can be fair and impartial and that’s sufficient,” said Wheeler. While it is not uncommon for defense attorneys to avail themselves of the statute, it is unusual for a prosecutor in the rural Eastern Oregon district to do so.”

    —–
    Rose…in regards…

    In this case it was the DA that did the removal questioning.

    In Judge M’s case….one would think it would be a no-brainer. Given that the prior connections Mess. had with the Da’s office and the “stamp” of double-dipping after retirement.

    So why didn’t Houze object?

    Kantor is another story.

  42. Rose says:

    @mbs. Interesting. Outside counsel is typically a black hole of schools’ flushing $ out and very hard to control wrt litigation expense. One thing I noticed was at the time GC was retained, the resume reflected no comtracts, insurance, ed law, or special ed law experience. That would increase reliance on outside firms imo. Light appears to have handled all PPS SpecEd litigation at Miller Nash & to have been a real expert, taking PPS’ business inthat area with him when he went solo in 2006. The firm which does insurance defense, well, one thing we’ve not considered is
    the bios could’ve not sued because there will be an insurance settlement when Kyron is declared deceased. Seems an awfully big one year budget for Mersereau firm doing generalist ins & contracts, etc. Baldwin keeps popping in my mind because she spent her time “managing.”

  43. Rose says:

    PS that outside insurance counsel should’ve provided his client proactive “safety” (of children) training wrt policies & procedures, cameras, & security officers, & conduct of public events, as well as public rentals of property. Board needs an outside say 5-year retrospective study of legal contracts & legal office. Not that Carole will ever recommend that.

  44. Rose says:

    Yes, mbs, PPS says the voip project was completed in June 2010:
    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/information-technology/1244.htm
    and I bet the last school to integrate was Skyline.
    That software to control malicious activity I bet was so
    students & staff cannot connect to adult sites, view porn at work, etc.
    The contract dates however mean the IT work was not done before mid-July.
    Most likely it was in installing voip phones & upgrading Skyline’s software
    “for monitoring District network for malicious activities and policy violations”
    that the historical data MCSO forgot to subpoena was lost.
    PPS’ IT expert (note degree). reminds me of qualifications locally for LE
    https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=8982278967394304&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fallen-carpenter%2F1a%2F346%2Fb63

  45. Rose says:

    @mbs. it doesn’t say malicious “software” (viruses) but malicious “activities” (human generated). Imo this is software for porn viewing prevention, that would be an employee policy violation. Installed in many businesses imo. The date being 7/12/10 means something like that was found during the investigation, so PPS fixed the problem, but dumped
    evidence. Now I’d add the PPS IT guru to my depo list & get at whether any porn was found on a staff computer in 2010 that was lost in a prevention software installation.

  46. T. Ruth says:

    @MockingbirdSings says:
    November 25, 2013 at 1:28 am
    (snipped)
    Mountain States Networking
    07/12/10 Purchase Order
    PO 94966
    District-wide: Purchase of one IDS/IPS device for monitoring District network for malicious activities and policy violations.

    ****************
    That is a great find. Very interesting indeed on the timing of all your links. Something led to this purchase, didn’t happen out of the blue.

  47. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Wasn’t NJ one of the people who came in over the weekend to initiate the auto dialer program @ Skyline?

  48. T. Ruth says:

    Dang that little @!! Rose didn’t ask that queston, I did of her.

  49. Rose says:

    to clarify, I don’t criticize DY either. One can either set appropriate limits, like Staton apparently eventually did on briefing, and Kaine on collaboration and contact. I criticize teammates, family or followers, who do not set limits but feed , even demand to see, acting out. I also fault LE/DA where “deliberate deception” has been used as an investigatory method, and for not correcting prior media statements.

  50. Rose says:

    interesting compilation of Child Protection Cyber Laws
    http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/child.htm
    —-
    the installation of PPS-wide malicious activity prevention software could also have been prompted by the investigation of L Storm, who was arrested in July 2010

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