Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. Kat says:

    Just a thought…reading today about the nodding Miss M and no early knowledge of that reported in the hours post-abduction. Could it be that “nod” was not acknowledged until an observant parent told on her? If it were some teachers I’ve known, and they figured out “oops—shouldn’t have done that!”—they might have shut up, covered up, etc.

    Just thinking.

  2. grasshopper says:

    I apparently have more sympathy for T’s precarious position than many of you. D’s actions from her first accusation until last saturday are not just about herself and her possible mental health issues. her behavior is far from harmless. D has persistently inflamed public opinion against T so the public hates her more than ever, encouraged LE’s fruitless investigation by appreciating “all they’ve done” (harass T?) rather than calling them on the carpet, and distracted from LE making the effort to discover what happened to Kyron. It doesn’t appear that she has broken from reality or that her actions are based on voices in her head or hallucinations. She does appear to be in possession of her faculties. These aren’t activities she does in the privacy of her home. She is the team leader of her supporters not their hapless follower. She decides to do these things and forms the intention to make them happen, she plans them carefully with others, preferably with media coverage, and carries them out as publicly as possible. To continue to excuse these public actions as grief is as enabling as her supporters’ worship of her. Many parents of child victims go on to start national causes to help similar victims. Not D. Her focus is to destroy T, calling it “searching for Kyron.”

    I have heard rumors that Roseburg LE does not take the “vigils” and stalking of T very seriously. TY’s brotherly influence? There isn’t an incident report in the Roseburg log even though we saw the picture of police cars present.

    http://www.cityofroseburg.org/departments/police-department/police-log/

    grasshopper- I could be wrong but after reviewing that it appears they only post arrests to that log. Not actual calls. Did this fall under some peaceful demonstration permit?
    B

  3. GraceintheHills says:

    vw says:
    November 25, 2013 at 2:48 am

    Mom3.0 says:
    November 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    vw says, “@Mom

    You go, girl. I hope she is listening, as I fear for her own sanity. She has another son, who I think she is seeing more of now. And potential to do good in the world.
    She needs to let it go. She doesn’t need to “break” Kaine or TMH anymore. They are already broken.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Hi all, well, I’ll say this about that. If TMH is innocent and has been cleared by the MCSO of any involvement in this case, then THEY need to tell DY so she can “let it go.” Otherwise, if TMH is still a suspect, DY will understandably not “let it go” until justice is served.

    DY’s behavior actually pales in comparison to some other mothers whose children have been killed or abducted. In my neck of the woods, one such mother launched a huge campaign against the alleged perp who killed her daughter. She wrote him notes, cards, email, called his friends, and put signs up accusing him of the murder. When he was finally arrested and tried, the defense attorney kept this mom on the stand for two whole days trying to prove the mom had turned the whole community against his client. His client was found guilty.

    By the way, DY has mentioned that she does have a therapist.

  4. January says:

    Although the circumstances are different in this case, I find the fact that LE immediately brought K9 tracking dog to the school, and were able to trace the child’s scent to an off campus location.

    “Sarah Kinslow was last seen by her parents on May 1, 2001, when her dad dropped her off at Greenville Middle School in her hometown of Greenville, Texas, at approximately 7:20 a.m. It was not until after the school day ended that the Kinslows were notified their daughter had not attended any of her classes.

    Authorities took an article of Sarah Kinslow’s clothing from the family home and brought a tracking dog to the school. Investigators were able to pick up her scent where she had exited her father’s car. The dog followed the scent around the school and to a location two blocks away, where it ended in the middle of a street.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/01/sarah-kinslow-missing_n_1467959.html
    “The dog ran out of scent and I feel like at that point she might have gotten into [a vehicle],” former Greenville Police Chief Barry Parris said in a May 4, 2001, interview with the Herald Banner.”

  5. T. Ruth says:

    FTR, there’s nothing on the RPD log re the harassment.

    http://www.cityofroseburg.org/departments/police-department/police-log/

    Appears they only post things resulting in arrest or citation.

  6. T. Ruth says:

    IMO, the only way Desiree is not going to suspect Terri, is if they find Kyron and find the perp and it is not, nor has anything to do with Terri.

    So here’s my question. Why? Why does Desiree Young have such a hard time believing that Terri may have nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance? She herself at one time said that Terri was good to Kyron, gave him what he needed. Even Kaine at one time said Terri may have had nothing to do with this, so where is this all coming from? Why is it she can’t see other possibilities?

    She can’t see a stranger walking into an open campus at the school and snatching Kyron?

    She can’t see some person abusing Kyron and then attempting to cover it up by abducting Kyron, when she herself knows his behavior had been off for over a year?

    She has been told the evidence points away from Terri, why is it she cannot see this? I sort of understood her holding on to that feeling when she thought Terri had “stashed” Kyron, because the alternative could mean Kyron was deceased, but now she thinks Terri did something awful, such as murder Kyron, so if she thinks Terri could murder Kyron, why doesn’t she think some pedo could? What is causing her tunnel vision?

    And I will NEVER understand why TY lets her do this childish crap.

    As someone said upthread, if Terri is guilty, she & TY have done more harm to this case than good. And these actions certainly aren’t helping to find Kyron one way or the other.

    Did anyone see the movie “Prisoners” this past summer? Taking the law into your own hands is not the answer.

  7. Rose says:

    @Kat. look at the Major Crimes team. Has certain criteria for crimes they work.
    Imo Staton would not have referred this case to the Major Crimes Team for more “search” resources.
    He had SARs in there from other Oregon counties.
    To call in Major Crimes, he would have to have evidence of an
    abduction before he announced that decision at 9 Sat am to bring in Major Crimes. He knew that Kyron
    left the building with the unknown man. This was known by midnight June 4 imo to have already had their involvement to announce at 9 am Sat. Thinking “Terri took Kyron”, a family incident, doesn’t fit the picture. If MCSO thought Terri did it on Sat at 9 am, the detectives called in would be the Child Abuse Unit. Imo Staton knew about SZ several hours before 9 am Sat June 5.

  8. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    interesting compilation of Child Protection Cyber Laws
    http://www.cybertelecom.org/cda/child.htm
    —-
    the installation of PPS-wide malicious activity prevention software could also have been prompted by the investigation of L Storm, who was arrested in July 2010

    **************

    Exactly what I was thinking. We have no idea who his friends were.

    http://m.ice.gov/news/releases/1309/130910portland.htm?f=m

    The investigation began in July 2010 when Storm’s then girlfriend reported to police that she had found child pornography on his laptop computer and on a USB thumb drive hidden in their bedroom. The Multnomah County Child Abuse Team served a search warrant at Storm’s residence and seized a laptop and two thumb drives from his bedroom. Investigators found images of child sexual abuse on the seized devices. Many of the images were interspersed in PowerPoint presentations with graphic cartoons of child sexual abuse, child erotica, and non-pornographic classroom photographs of his former students at Stoller Middle School.

    Storm fled the country the day after police searched his home. Prosecutors say he left without saying goodbye to family or friends and without making arrangements for the care of his school-age child.

    Storm drove to Canada then flew to Europe, where he remained for more than six months. Storm was originally charged with a number of offenses in the Multnomah County Circuit Court. He eventually returned to the U.S. to face those charges. The state charges were later dismissed in favor of the federal prosecution.

    Storm still faces pending state charges of sexual abuse involving allegations of improper touching of two girls at a swimming pool in 2007. That trial is scheduled to begin in December.

    The investigation involved the cooperation and participation of HSI, the Portland Police Bureau, the Multnomah County Child Abuse Team, the Northwest Regional Computer Forensics Laboratory, the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office, and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Oregon District.

    This investigation was part of Operation Predator, a nationwide HSI initiative to protect children from sexual predators, including those who travel overseas for sex with minors, Internet child pornographers, criminal alien sex offenders and child sex traffickers. HSI encourages the public to report suspected child predators and any suspicious activity through its toll-free hotline at 1-866-347-2423 or by completing its online tip form. Both are staffed around the clock by investigators.

    (snipped)

    **************************************

    ******The investigation was part of Operation Predator”********!!!

  9. Rose says:

    @GraceintheHills Yes I too remember DY said she had a therapist. I assumed that was why Blink added the adjective “qualified.” Qualified to me means more than type of degree & training, years in the profession, or discipline. It means a match here, imo, with a high level of expertise, experience in what clinical assessment would suggest personality-wise, but also experience with severe traumatic injuries such as the death of a spouse or child, likely ptsd,
    and particularly those situations where no closure is possible–out of the patient’s control. A forensic background would help as well. If DY were my daughter, that is what I’d push for her, and consider any ol msw or psyd a waste of money. Iirc, she referred to a generic counselor. I would have also pushed, if this were my adult child, she work with a criminal attorney as a consultant early on to navigate mcso & da’s approach to the investigation. Now those 2 human resources are what I would donate what I could to gofundme for.

  10. Rose says:

    @Grace. I believe MCSO has not talked to DY in a long long time about who is or is not a suspect, nor has Kaine, and that her berserker behavior is a response to that silence & isolation. (as was her misguided suit)
    She needs “talk” from somewhere. Some personalities really react to silence.

    She can hardly go to MCSO’ Office, stand on the street, & write in chalk “Staton, talk to me.” Nor the DA’s.
    And if she tried it at Kaine’s, well, he is known for taking action in his own interests.
    So who’s left to stir up chaos via chalk messages but Terri’s home.

    Staging her search & media interviews at the school in Sept is as close as she’s come to rattling the school/mcso cage. While she had funding for fall searches, there were none, & gofundme is silent. Imo the search veneer of cooperation with mcso has been subject to limitsetting.

  11. T. Ruth says:

    Somehow I never saw this report, if someone posted it here, I’m sorry I missed your post.

    http://www.katu.com/news/tech/ICE-launches-smartphone-app-to-locate-predators-rescue-children-223522481.html

    ‘Operation Predator’ app launched for the iPhone
    (snipped, more @ link)

    Here’s how it works: You can be anywhere — the park, the mall or on the street — and see something that’s not right and submit a tip. You submit the tip and the information is processed and to a regional ICE office.

    You can also use the app to look through a list of alerts for sex predators and read about the latest sex predator arrests and convictions. Featured now is the sentencing of Beaverton teacher, Logan Storm, who was convicted of possessing child pornography.

    The app is only available for iPhones, but ICE is in the process of releasing similar apps for other smartphones in the future.

    **************

    I think this is a great idea. At least some forward thinking in ICE. (Almost makes me want to get an iPhone, I don’t own one yet but I suppose I will someday, as erose says I’m hardwired, maybe to the core, lol)

  12. Rose says:

    @Grasshopper. I hope the family calls LE on each occasion, taking responding officers’
    names & badge numbers, and insists a police report be documented each time.
    If there is an escalation to assault, then there will be a clear trail Roseburg PD
    failed on multiple occasions to defuse potential violence. Another great civil suit.
    (I guess Roseburg PD doesn’t care about “defacing public property”.)

  13. A Texas Grandfather says:

    Rose

    In regard to your thoughts on the loss of information with the installation of monitoring software for the VOIP service: any IT professional who installs a new service on a computer system and doesn’t make a system backup prior to the installation should be fired and the contract cancelled.

    I have witnessed a guy on contract attempt to replace a power supply in a school computer that had zero capability. He didn’t even know that he had the wrong type of supply until I pointed it out. What an ignorant fellow!

  14. Rose says:

    @TRuth. blanking on who NJ is.

    I don’t think the probable voip installation in late July 10 destroyed the data MCSO belatedly subpoenaed.
    (And I think mcso belatedly subpoenaed stuff mcso was already aware of when MCSO learned software installation had ready taken place.) I believe the investigation-relevant data was lost when the “malicious activity prevention”
    software was installed. On the other hand, every school wipes all their harddrives & installs new uniform software using a clone disc each August. I helped IT in that project at 2 schools on tech volunteer teams,

  15. Rose says:

    btw GraceintheHills. Your community’s Defense attorney was incompetent as Hell.
    What Defense attorney in his right mind would put Vic’s Mother on the stand for 1 minute, much less 2 days?
    No wonder he was convicted. I suppose the rest of his defense was equally qualitative.
    No chance of Houze Ever putting DY on in Defense.

  16. grasshopper says:

    @blink, doubt if they needed a permit since this event was not in any of the usual locations for such things but I have no way of knowing. Do they issue permits for groups to harass individuals in front of their residence? More likely they considered it free speech and therefore their right. We know the police were called. jjI’ve read a version of the 911 call made by Carol Moulton on KGW. I would very much like a copy of the full 911 call that brought the police to their residence.

  17. GraceintheHills says:

    T. Ruth says:
    November 25, 2013 at 8:44 pm
    IMO, the only way Desiree is not going to suspect Terri, is if they find Kyron and find the perp and it is not, nor has anything to do with Terri.

    So here’s my question. Why? Why does Desiree Young have such a hard time believing that Terri may have nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance? She herself at one time said that Terri was good to Kyron, gave him what he needed. Even Kaine at one time said Terri may have had nothing to do with this, so where is this all coming from? Why is it she can’t see other possibilities?

    She can’t see a stranger walking into an open campus at the school and snatching Kyron?

    She can’t see some person abusing Kyron and then attempting to cover it up by abducting Kyron, when she herself knows his behavior had been off for over a year?

    She has been told the evidence points away from Terri, why is it she cannot see this? I sort of understood her holding on to that feeling when she thought Terri had “stashed” Kyron, because the alternative could mean Kyron was deceased, but now she thinks Terri did something awful, such as murder Kyron, so if she thinks Terri could murder Kyron, why doesn’t she think some pedo could? What is causing her tunnel vision?

    And I will NEVER understand why TY lets her do this childish crap.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hi TRuth, I agree that as long as TMH is still a person of interest, DY is going to stay focused on her. If an unsub in that school took Kyron, and LE mentioned this to DY, she would be shouting it from the mountain tops. I can’t help but think this unsub has been cleared, or, if not cleared, LE are investigating this as a conspiracy. But here is what is odd: DY has not said a word about a possible unsub.

    Who told DY the evidence “points away” from TMH? If you are referring to that lawyer who spoke at the end of the Dr. P show – he is not associated with or privy to the investigation. He has likely gotten his info the same way we have.

    Anyway, all JMO.

    Grace- I can verify that DY was told about SZ. I am not going to reveal that source for obvious reasons but it is a family member. It is my understanding that she believes Ky’s disappearance was a conspiracy. She believes it was orchestrated by TMH, and that TMH has all the answers to find Kyron.

    She has spoken previously about Kyron being outside after it was confirmed when TMH left with Kitty. And most recently, she referenced the theory that Kyron would not get into a vehicle within 50 yards of the school or the classroom or words to that effect. I know everyone has their theories about why she dropped her civil suit and never named the school in it in the first place- but the truth is it is exactly what Houze alluded to. I will refrain from re-positing all the legaleeze to support that once again and simply say that ultimately DY believes regardless of how it “went down” that TMH is responsible and therefore it does not matter to her about SZ- and she knows full well that SZ is TMH alibis if LE cannot ID him as a suspect or connect him in any way to TMH.

    I think it is patently clear that LE still believes that TMH is a suspect.
    I wonder if anything will be gleaned from the recent debacle of the McStay case in this regard? SDCSD was so sure the family went to mexico they turned the case over to the FBI and we all know how wrong that was.

    Do I WISH TMH would submit to an independent Poly given by an FBI asset? I definitely do. Do I think she should or that it would help in any way? No.
    B

  18. GraceintheHills says:

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 11:40 pm
    btw GraceintheHills. Your community’s Defense attorney was incompetent as Hell.
    What Defense attorney in his right mind would put Vic’s Mother on the stand for 1 minute, much less 2 days?
    No wonder he was convicted. I suppose the rest of his defense was equally qualitative.
    No chance of Houze Ever putting DY on in Defense.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    Rose, he is one of the highest ranked and sought after criminal defense attorneys in our state and has a long history of obtaining acquittals in difficult cases. This was the first time I saw him go after a mother, but she certainly held her own in cross exam. But, the attorney didn’t have much to work with. Like my husband always says, “when you’ve got nothing, you’ve gotta do something when you’re defending a client.”

  19. erose says:

    @Rose, It’s like SZ knew that.

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 9:52 am
    snip>
    Yes, mbs, PPS says the voip project was completed in June 2010:
    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/information-technology/1244.htm
    and I bet the last school to integrate was Skyline.

  20. sam h says:

    Nwcn.com has vvvideo of the roseburg protest by kyle ibashi.

  21. erose says:

    You’re right, Rose, based on their actions, they knew that night, so why are they perpetuating this falsehood at the expense of the sanity of at least three of the parents, not to mention misleading the public on a potential danger. I am wondering if LE has factions.

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm

  22. erose says:

    If one person can hire or coerce helpers in a vicious brutal endeavor such as snatching a child, then in theory, so can the others. I do not believe this happened, but in fairness, if it cannot be proven that a parent physically removed this child, then the theory of a conspirator could apply to any of them.

    What is sad to me right now, is so much damage must be undone before any progress can be made. Blink says DY is in the wrong orchard. How many more trees will she need to look at before she realizes this, and it only serves to prolong her agony from my perspective. It seems as though the exculpatory information is being purposely withheld for no other reason than to keep TH appearing guilty. Problem is, even if we all believe she is, even if they convince us all, and it’s not the truth, we are no closer to finding Kyron. Beyond sad.

    grasshopper says:
    November 25, 2013 at 3:07 pm

  23. Essay Kaye says:

    RE: Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    (I guess Roseburg PD doesn’t care about “defacing public property”.)
    ***********
    Non-permanent chalk drawings on public property is “defacing public property”? I think that has already been debunked in California.
    And what about the First Amendment??? It is just as strong as the Fifth.
    I do wonder, however, if there is any bullying-type statute that would apply?

    There are both civil and criminal potential implications to such actions by themselves, and any actions that might occur as a result.

    I agree with you on the first ammendment, but exercising that right cannot impede or interfere (willfully) with someone else’s rights under the law and that includes other neighbors in that neighborhood.

    Not just that, but what if it spurs some other parent of a missing child to action against some perceived suspect?

    Another thing- if that gofundme account is funding the trip, demonstrative aids and/or compensating anyone for time and planning and such activity ever results in criminal charges or a civil remedy- that’s a whole ‘nother issue. I wonder what the outcome was regarding the items her team recovery of items connected to the case- a gofund me funded search.

    Add to that some of Desiree’s quotes about le not being able to solve the case, or arrest her- she is absolutely stating her intent to act as an agent of LE and intimidate a witness in a criminal matter and that could easily make the leap to obstruction. I am not suggesting DY face any charges like that at this juncture- but if I could tell you how many families I have worked with in cases that were an eyelash away from obstruction charges based on self-help measures you would be shocked.

    I am begging someone with influence to help DY to channel her efforts into turning the case over to the FBI, or at least having MCSO request a review of the case by them. That is definitely something she can work to influence. She can request a meeting/interview on her own and go from there.

    B

  24. Idahogal says:

    DY and Co. staged another protest in Roseburg:

    http://www.kptv.com/story/24069159/protesters-surround-terri-hormans-home-demanding-answers

    My heart just aches for her, I cannot fathom what she goes through. I never thought we would be 3 1/2 years down this road with no answers.

    Thank you all here, especially my dear Blink, for your continued stellar efforts and work. I have little to offer but am still here, carrying the torch for our little guy. I wish you all a most Happy Thanksgiving. I am thankful for many people and things in this life, but the best thing I can imagine is for Kyron to come home.

  25. Rose says:

    anything to shake loose MCSO or Kaine talking to her imo.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/11/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y.html#incart_river
    Why? On Phil KH said he’d not spoken to her since late 2010, wasn’t it?
    And there was a url here in the last day where Staton said he briefs “Kaine” to inform “them.”

    You know, re a qualified therapist, after 3 years you have to assess the work
    product outcomes.

    Q for Masters of Media History here:
    What is the last date Staton briefed the public on case investigation?
    And to whom?

    I wonder why local media goes for tittilating trash
    on tge level of the Globe rather than asking Staton that question
    (case progress) on the record? After seeing so many on pinks…..’s twitter account, imo some
    need professional re-training.

  26. Rose says:

    @erose. In my opinion, mcso does not have factions. It seems one conforms, or files a whistleblower suit, or retires after a recordskeeping stint. However, didn’t the Major Crimes Team star detective’s jurisdiction decline to be part of the Task Force that Fall?

  27. Rose says:

    @Grace. To each their own in trial strategy.
    imo Houze would never do that.
    imo Just worsens the sentence.

  28. GeorgiaDad says:

    DY’s behavior is counterproductive. I suspect she is acting out of anger and frustration, but there is debate about whether or not she has chosen the proper target.

    Every story needs a good villain. And if one is not obviously apparent, on-line communities tend to create them. Like many here, I was initially convinced of TMH’s guilt, but as new details were revealed, the “Terri did it” scenarios became increasingly convoluted as theorists had to account for the pharmacy sightings and timeline.

    LE’s initial statements in most fluid cases turn out to be wrong. They are usually given in good faith, but the initial information almost always seems to be wrong. It would not surprise me that is would take several days for LE to find out about the SZ incident.

    Although a teacher allowing a child to walk out of the school with a stranger seems quite bizarre to us in retrospect, we have never gotten the teacher’s side of the story. Was she distracted by something else? Did she pay attention to the conversation. Blink’s source for the SZ information stated that it “sounded like (redacted)”, maybe the teacher didn’t get a good luck and thought it was the same person the witness originally identified by voice.

    The answer to this riddle lies at Skyline. Unfortunately, we have very little to go on. Other than LE’s initial comments, very little has been said on the record. I am not aware of any official comments on SZ. The MFH was filtered through KH. The truck incident was filtered through DY (and KH seemed to downplay it as if it hadn’t been verified). Even the source of the “failed polygraph” story is unknown, only that she “told the family” that she failed – “the family” would appear to be the source. If we step back a little, it becomes obvious that almost tidbit of information we “know” about this case has come directly, or indirectly, from DY or KH, with occasional bits from “friends of TMH”.

  29. Rose says:

    todays O story by Shane K–iirc he accompanied his senior, B Denson, to the press conference in 2010 where Kaine kicked them out.
    wrt to this story comment portion, “Those so-called reports of the unidentified male taking Kyron from the school are being generated by a questionable blog with a, using VW’s expression, cadre (small) of rabid Terri supporters.”
    Now, vw, I defy anyone to find one person here who thinks Terri has been cleared, much less rabidly.

    I wish Shane or Brian would go sit on Staton’s doorstep for a real case status statement, and foia spending attrituable to case assets in FY 2013, then go ask County Commissioners about that spending, esp overtime, versus work product status to show for it, on the record. Press would get more on Staton if he was having an affair than with respect to job execution imo.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/11/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y.html#comments

    wonderful long interview on npr yesterday with an “anthropologist” (nyu teacher, PhD Columbia) who is anthropologist in residence for NYCity Sanitation Dept, where she also worked a few montgs. Low paid, it seems the job is constructed to ensure regular overtime. Salary with overtime seems to become the yearly take home as a matter of course. highly unionized. I suggest mcso officers tend to view overtime as an expectable part of take home like those sanitation workers.

  30. Eloise says:

    Fox news is getting ready to do a segment on Kyron in words of Desiree. 11:49 est

  31. Georgia Mom says:

    Fox News has a segment on Kyron coming up in a few minutes. The blurb mentioned DY’s protests.

  32. Eloise says:

    Ok- Fox played the 911 call placed by Carol and then they did the voice of DY of why they were there is to remind Terri of why they were there was bc of Kyron.

  33. Rose says:

    @Blink. imo the County Commissioners can achieve the FBI referral as part of budget negotiations with Staton, who will resist turning off the overtime spigot. Commissioners are a weak lot now. So where is the press in pressing, why not? hook being County finances if not common sense. The press seems down in the mud too.

  34. T. Ruth says:

    @Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    I think you are absolutely correct. Why else would PPS start measures to increase security at their schools as early as June 7?

    No lost little child, no custody issue, I too now believe they knew it was an abduction by SZ and between LE & the school they staged a huge cover up in order to avoid panic.

    June 7, 2010:

    Kyron Horman disappearance prompts Portland schools to re-examine security procedures

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_disappearance_pro.html

  35. Rose says:

    OLive’s Shane is imo a gorgeous (meant not physically, but mentally) iconoclast who likely fits reporting into his other interests if twitter is truth:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/shanedkavanaugh
    Hope he keeps after Oregon’s reliance on gambling $ income from taxpaying citizens (double taxation?)
    Wish he’d go after facts from Staton & DA as a symbol of public transparency.
    Pulitzer there somewhere.
    http://www.crainsnewyork.com/staff/180/shane-dixon-kavanaugh
    One of the best writers in the Summer’10 was a journalism intern from NY. Blanking on name

  36. grasshopper says:

    Rose says:
    November 25, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    @Kat. look at the Major Crimes team. Has certain criteria for crimes they work.
    Imo Staton would not have referred this case to the Major Crimes Team for more “search” resources.
    He had SARs in there from other Oregon counties.
    To call in Major Crimes, he would have to have evidence of an
    abduction before he announced that decision at 9 Sat am to bring in Major Crimes. He knew that Kyron
    left the building with the unknown man. This was known by midnight June 4 imo to have already had their involvement to announce at 9 am Sat. Thinking “Terri took Kyron”, a family incident, doesn’t fit the picture. If MCSO thought Terri did it on Sat at 9 am, the detectives called in would be the Child Abuse Unit. Imo Staton knew about SZ several hours before 9 am Sat June 5.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I never noticed this before! my old notes say that Staton did not officially declare it a criminal investigation for something like 10 days. before that it was SAR. And here he was taking it the abduction direction in the background. So why was the fact that he left with a man suppressed? and, as you say, why if Terri was took Kyron and was a danger to Kiara wasn’t a child abuse case started? It’s not as if Woods hasn’t been on board from beginning.

  37. grasshopper says:

    #26. “he left with a man” should have read “Kyron left with a man”

  38. grasshopper says:

    These 2 snips are from the kptv coverage of D’s protest.

    The group was led by Desiree Young, the mother of the boy who disappeared more than three years ago.

    “Not having the answers, it’s turmoil,” said Young. “I can’t solve the case. I can’t get law enforcement to solve the case. I can’t get law enforcement to arrest her, but I can stand out in front of her house and remind her of the reason we’re here, and we’re going to be here every day.”

    http://www.kptv.com/story/24069159/protesters-surround-terri-hormans-home-demanding-answers

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “We’re going to be here every day” sounds pretty harassing to me, and bullying. Doubt if they will bother with the chalk every day but signs most likely. The problem is, Kyron didn’t go missing from Roseburg. The signs aren’t about finding him. They are purely directed at Terri and of course trying to get her parents to throw her out.

  39. T. Ruth says:

    “The mother of Kyron Horman staged a protest outside the home of Terri Moulton Horman over the weekend, marking an unusual attempt to confront the missing boy’s stepmother.”

    (snipped)

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/11/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y.html#comments

    Good grief, the reporting in this case is just atrocious, ” unusual attempt”? Where has this guy been for the last 3+ years while Desiree Young & friends stalked Terri? Story should have read something like this:

    Once again, Desiree Young and her supporters are in Roseburg at the home of Terri Horman’s parents, demanding answers in the case of her missing son, Kyron. Although LE has never named Terri as a suspect, and have continually reported that Ms. Horman was cooperative, Ms. Young continues to have a gut feeling that Terri Horman knows the whereabouts of her son.

    When asked why she continues to believe that, some three plus years later, her answer was this: “???????????????????????” *if not Terri, then who?*

    Why does no reporter ever ask any freakin’ direct questions?
    ***********

    Sorry, venting about reporting.

  40. T. Ruth says:

    (Actually June 6, not June 7, the school was already in cover-up, IMO):

    Staff move quickly

    As the investigation launched, custodians Selim Masic from Lewis Elementary School (previously at Skyline) and Skyline custodian Bill Tandy worked 12-hour shifts to cover the school’s operational needs.

    Central departments also jumped in starting the evening of June 4 as staff members returned to work to provide information and support to authorities searching for Kyron.

    On Sunday, June 6, the deputy superintendents and Nick Jwayad, chief information officer, began pulling together Information Technology, System Planning & Performance, and Human Resources managers and staff to get an autodialer system up and running for all schools to report unexcused absences to families in a timely manner. The team implemented the autodialer for all schools by Tuesday afternoon.
    IT’s efforts included the work of Stacey Partin and the eSIS support team members, who personally offered training and guidance to every school that was not using the autodialer to ease the transition to a new system so late in the school year.

    Meanwhile, Matt Shelby, public information officer, worked through the weekend and throughout the week fielding calls and handling interviews with an increasingly wider circle of media outlets including CNN, the “Today Show,” “Good Morning America” and MSNBC.

    (snipped)

    http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm

    ************

    We now know from LE that phone records were erased that they later on requested which they unfortunately failed to examine during their initial investigation. I would love to know, if this IT work done on June 6, was what resulted in those records being purged.

  41. cd says:

    grasshopper says:
    November 26, 2013 at 1:00 pm…
    “Not having the answers, it’s turmoil,” said Young. “I can’t solve the case. I can’t get law enforcement to solve the case. I can’t get law enforcement to arrest her, but I can stand out in front of her house and remind her of the reason we’re here, and we’re going to be here every day.”

    http://www.kptv.com/story/24069159/protesters-surround-terri-hormans-home-demanding-answers
    ———-
    It sounds to me like Desiree is not as satisfied with LE’s handling of Kyrons case as she has repeatedly states to the press. It makes no sense if LE cant solve the case then why would they arrest anyone. Is TH being arrested as important to DY as finding out what happened to Kyron.

  42. Rose says:

    @TRuth. I saw those words “unusual attempt” on kptv and to be honest just thought Kaitlyn was a high school intern.
    Remember kptv is one of three stations on pinkie’s twitter feed (2 at katu & 1 each at Fox12 & kptv)..
    These days a TV reporter can sit back in the office & read twitter feeds as news alerts from stalkers.
    So no need to go find real news from the Sheriff or DA.

  43. Rose says:

    @@Grasshopper. I don’t care if Man Who Speaks With Forked Tongue called it a crime scene after 10 days.
    If he called it a crime scene June 4 or 5, PPB had jurisdiction, period.
    So, why would he call it a crime scene then when he was riding the overtime train?
    That article notified the public he had called in the Major Crimes Team at (was it 9:05 am?) June 5.
    They were therefore aware of SZ several hours before that.
    If at that time they learned to Terri, & witnesses put him with her,
    he would’ve called in the CAU team, also intercounty, also staffed with equally
    competent detectives (like B O’D) and DAs.

  44. Rose says:

    and the OLive reporters who cover crimes, like Denson,
    knew that & did not question Staton.

  45. Rose says:

    Well, Eloise, wrt 911 calls in the matter of Kyron Horman.
    if Fox12 can get the 911 voice recording of Carol,
    it seems to me only fair play Kantor should let the 911 voice recordings of Terri into the divorce trial.

  46. Rose says:

    @TRuth
    I forgot NJ’s mention in the press. His name is on those contracts. (TY MBS). I was confused because this guy says he was project mgr –
    https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=5103910840696832&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fallen-carpenter%2F1a%2F346%2Fb63
    ” I Managed the VoIP deployment of 96 PPS sites (Over 6,500 phones); implementation and standardization of a district-wide Rapid Broadcast System over the VoIP phone and Speaker system. “

  47. Rose says:

    And if AC was the regular Project Mgr, why did Carole dispatch NJ to the scene?

  48. Rose says:

    self-correction, sigh, I see “unusual attempt” was Shane’s & O,
    not Kaitlyn & kptv. I assumed he was subbing for
    Bernstein’s Thanksgiving holiday. Just goes to show he’s not
    followed the case since Kaine threw him out of the
    press conference in 2010.

  49. Rose says:

    reading the fine print on Carpenter’s linkedin resume, he not only managed the voip project & rapid accesssoftware, he did the 92 site video installation beginning last Feb. And NJ was nowhere on his Project team.

  50. Miss Bri says:

    Whoa this is interesting. I hope every one in Kyron’s family had a chance to look at the picture to see if they believe it’s Kyron, since so many years have gone by and he likely looks so different now.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/11/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html

    Snipped
    “This year is especially hard,” said Desiree Young, Kyron’s mom. “And every time I get a photo from law enforcement of a child I have to identify it’s even more difficult.”

    Police asked Young to look at a new photo recently depicting a child resembling Kyron who’s alive and apparently living in the United States. Young wouldn’t divulge any details but said the child was not playing outside.”
    Snipped

    It is a child they are trying to identify via some porn freak or a child that was rescued they cant identify. That is brutal for sure.
    B

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