Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police
A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued ©
S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime
DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman
In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher, she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court. Unofficially cleared, that is.
Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley, who have since refused all local media requests, would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.
Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide. While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously, her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.
As was proven not only by her recent polygraph, but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place, Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.
The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman. Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.
Stoy: So, in your estimation then, why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.
Spicher: I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons. I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with. He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc. I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name. As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order, she was also told that
Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that? I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.
Spicher: No. I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th. I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.
Stoy: ok, sorry, continue. So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?
Spicher: They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding. It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June, and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March. So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?
To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.
Stoy: Which was?
Spicher: At first, I think that they really believed I was involved, and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was, and my vehicle never left, nor did I. They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.
Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case, they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?
Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect. I never felt that way, but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever, but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.
Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?
Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did. To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning. I would ask like who do you mean, because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this. I was scared and it turned out it was good reason. I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.
Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice? Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that. People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies. I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative. In fact, Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly. So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.
Spicher: (laughs) Interesting. I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.
Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?
Spicher: No, do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?
Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?
Spicher: I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house. Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.
Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?
Spicher: That’s it, yes, him. Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?
Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through, and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you. If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information, I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?
Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.
Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back , considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work? What did your attorney say when you told him?
Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney, but to answer your question as to my opinion, I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction. After more thought, and other conversations, I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible. What is your opinion on it?
Stoy: I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece. Again, not wanting to temper your opinions as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did. Is that ok with you?
Spicher: Sure, thank you.
Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion. I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman. Is that correct?
Spicher: Correct, ok.
Stoy: Did they ask you this?
Spicher: Who is they? You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).
Stoy: Fair point, you’re right. The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor. Allow me to rephrase please. Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?
Spicher: Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?
Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?
Spicher: (laughs) touche’ . I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids. I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.
Stoy: Why shock you?
Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing” and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well, impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.
Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct? That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc. And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?
Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury. But yes, that is what she told me. I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her. To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement . I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case, but yes, they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are. But that is my assumption.
Stoy: Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home? Spicher: I am not sure about the exclusive use part, I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.
Stoy: Ok. Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory. By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.
Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.
Stoy: How would you know that?
Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request. She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids. I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.
Stoy: ok, understood, we will get back to that. I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.” Do you recall what year, even ballpark.
Spicher: I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005, and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.
Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine, I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help. Do you remember where you were during the conversation.
Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell, Terri had a lot of drama, and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know, we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.
Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?
Spicher: Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention. It was either during that call or at the lunch. Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.
Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?
Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.
Stoy: Got it. What did she say
Spicher: She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”. She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her. She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller. The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him. I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.
Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from? Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?
SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.
Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person? Sort of like… she gets approval to remain anonymous, she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?
Spicher: Yes, something like that. Except and again, we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out. The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact. From what I recall, I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.
Stoy: Understood, so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day, but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.
Spicher: Yes, I think so.
Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice. I don’t think so because she did not ask for any. So then what? Did Kaine find out?
Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy, and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day. If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember, that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.
Stoy: Ok. Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?
Spicher: Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed, it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing. She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office. We did.
Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what? Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?
Spicher: I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served, in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le, but it would surprise me. Terri was always very family centric. She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing, this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.
Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?
Spicher: No, not at all.
Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?
Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper. He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.
Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting” and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”
Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.
Stoy: She specifically said the FBI, who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.
Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.
Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?
Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?
Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?
It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years. The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier. As a strong argument for the trickle down effect, Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle, was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report. A former Sheriff, Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications. The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place. Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.
In fact, Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.
MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.
The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell. O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.
There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.
In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week, it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.
It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan, the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.
Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.
After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption tipping other’s off in the alleged ring , Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso, Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested. The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike. The specifics of which were sealed by the court. It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.
Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids? How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?
“… Jackson, through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”
“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest. He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”
On June 3rd, 2010, approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance, Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.
From the Indictment:
Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).
It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden. Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products. Worden has never been charged.
Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).
The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.
Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and
841(b)( 1)(E).
The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.
Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).
The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin, a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.
According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.
From Buff To Puff
In contrast to Jackson, although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement, William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon” cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.
In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote, “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”
Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way. Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client, was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.
John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case, sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well. Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question. Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason. The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.
“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”
Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.
Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.
On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.
Andrew Millbrooke filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby, Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot. In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy. The suit is pending. A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion. Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].
With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against Traverso were dismissed this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.
Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation. Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.
As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .
Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.
However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids, but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.
“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.
“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.
He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.
At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”
S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.
The source, an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…” “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…” The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.
Reached for comment, Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.
A request for comment to Mr. Bunch, Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.
More Questions Than Answers..
Following several hours of interviews with DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?
Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.
She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”
She was not.
Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself. Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.
Through Spicher, Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness” which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc, Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th. His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.
Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought. Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.
Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous. Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom, to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.
To her knowledge, there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.
In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.
Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:
“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”
Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators. One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer, at their own expense The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.
“… This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.
The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”
I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange. She had. I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.
Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion. Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.
I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home. She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.
Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?
Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.
Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper? I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen, and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.
Spicher: No, it wasn’t. Kaine bought it. It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property. I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home. I mean, like cleaning the gutters, cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing. To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.
Stoy: With a baby, 7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that? No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help. I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.
Spicher: No, Terri had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children. I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money. I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage. One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that. I believe the other was the landscaper.
Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.
Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that? But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.
Stoy: Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?
Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].
Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement. Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you. Are you angry about that?
Spicher: O my no. That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine. I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can.. I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them. I really pray that Kyron will be found, I choose to put my energy into hope for that.
Pending Matters
Through Attorney Bunch, Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.
In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday, Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.
Early this afternoon, a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.
A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013
Jacqueline Beaufort, Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.
Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.
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@RedRose says:
November 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm
SZ could not have been specifically looking for another child if in fact he called him “Ky”, which I believe Blink told us before. This is why there is no mistaking that SZ knew, at least the name of the child he asked to help him. So, SZ didn’t act in case of mistaken target.
Does that mean that SZ knew Kyron prior? No, not necessarily, because he could have just been some random dude following around a somewhat loose child, saw some vulnerabilities, overheard his name and bammmm. Still a very viable option.
IMHO, though, the more I’ve read, the more I think whomever took Kyron either knew him personally or was connected to someone who did.
Wish we (JQP) knew more about Kyron, his circles, his activities, clubs, scouts, whatever. This kind of information could forward this case. JMO
Mom3.0 says:
November 21, 2013 at 2:04 am
This is not to say that both didnt share in all duties it just goes to show they delegated jobs in the marriage and the home-
terri was called a doting Mom well in my experience doting Moms dont usually stand back to let dad take over combing hair or tying shoes etc
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IMO
Kaine says one time that he tied Kiara’s shoes and the take away is that he probably always combed the children’s hair and tied their shoes. So if Terri was a doting mom she should not have allowed him to tie Kiara’s shoes.
Ya know, I always thought this was one of the strangest events KH ever organized. An Easter Egg Hunt with Kyron’s face pasted on all the Easter Eggs. (hand in hand with the Koloring for Kyron contest).
As if the kids around Portland weren’t traumatized enough with Kyron’s disappearance, now the Easter Bunny is laying eggs with Kyron’s picture on them? This was one of my WTF? moments in this case.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=120549099&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202
Hindsight, I know, but now with the surfacing of EM being a potential witness, could it be this was staged to be some sort of intimidation of someone. I do recall seeing the presence of LE at this event, though I can no longer find the video.
T. Ruth says:
November 21, 2013 at 2:56 pm
“Terri Horman declined to be interviewed, but her attorney, Steve Houze, provided this statement:
“I am writing in reply to your email requesting an interview with my client, Ms. Horman. Because there is a pending legal matter, the ethical rules of our profession do not permit party, or counsel, to such a pending matter to make public comments on the merits of the matter.”
TRuth says, “Interesting choice of words “ethical rules of our profession do not permity party, or counsel”. Hmmmm. Pending legal matter=divorce? Will be considered unethical for KH to be there? I wonder why his attorney didn’t find it unethical?”
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Interesting choice of words, indeed. Houze says, “The ethical rules of *our* profession…” Houze is speaking of the ethics of HIS profession. KH is not a lawyer. He is not bound by the ethics of those who practice law, neither is TH.
irt Engel: I didn’t hear him make any statements on the merits of the matter.
T. Ruth says:
November 21, 2013 at 11:07 pm
@RedRose says:
November 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm
SZ could not have been specifically looking for another child if in fact he called him “Ky”, which I believe Blink told us before. This is why there is no mistaking that SZ knew, at least the name of the child he asked to help him. So, SZ didn’t act in case of mistaken target.
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me: If Blink told us this alleged suspect called him “Ky”, I missed it.
I did not- the best info I have is that it was an abbreviated name.
I cannot say that Kyron was engaged by his full name, but he may have been
B
Rose says, Excuse me, why do you think Engel did not know
until after KH’s appearance, when Houze wasrequested
an interview beforehand?
Because of the standing protective order- I would advise against the tone of the appearance out of concern of it’s violation- and I feel Houze’s message was similar- But I might alter my opinion to plausible denial.
Totally on me, but I sense a disjoint in the Kaine Horman representation.
B
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Kaine has never been expected to go by the rules. This same legal matter has been pending for 3 years but Kaine has repeatedly spoken in public, made accusations against “respondent”. Blink, are you saying that the “mutual protective order” changed things? he was a party to the divorce before. He is still a party yet has given numerous media interviews and appeared on Pill. Interesting that after pill he said he wouldn’t do interviews “for a while” and has not after last 2 hearings. Why was it okay for him, the petitioner, to do interviews for 3 years?
vw says:
November 20, 2013 at 8:28 pm
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@Rose, Blink says:
Plausible theory about SZ being interviewed but saying he went back in with Kyron. And left K in the capable hands of Ms. M once again.
But what does that do to the timing issue? I mean…9:15-10:00 would maybe be covered with him at school? Would then that white-truck presser (Did you see the truck between….and this time?) mean that LE thought TMH came BACK to the school, say 9:55 am….and got him during passing time back to his classroom for re-grouping, and attendance taking?
So why “Did you see the truck between 10:15 and 11:30″?
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Blink, forgive me if I am analyzing your question the wrong way – but are you asking why LE wanted the public to help the with the 10:15 – 11:30 timeframe?
Me: We know she had no alibi after she left the last FM at around 10:15AM until she arrived at the gym at 11:40AM (the same time frame). I heard she initially told LE she couldn’t remember which roads she had driven. Later, she gave specific roads. So, I suspect LE was trying to verify her account of driving around with Kitty.
Hmmm. Ky. Wonder how many people called him “Ky”? If it was a common shortening or if only certain people called him “Ky”?
I always thought most people said “Kyron”, but that was because his full name was always used on the news coverage. Knowing a list of people who called him the more familiar “Ky” might be a good place to start searching??
IF he was called “Ky” by SZ, but Blink would know.
@T. Ruth says: November 21, 2013 at 11:07 pm
@RedRose says: November 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm
SZ could not have been specifically looking for another child if in fact he called him “Ky”, which I believe Blink told us before.
Oops, sorry. Should have read farther down the list.
@GraceintheHills says: November 22, 2013 at 12:24 am
@TRuth. “Stings” are generally used in drug investigations, tho now in local “terrorism”, so that policy in Sweden is as likely related to Sweden’s strong unique drug laws as their strong democratic tradition. Bet they don’t waterboard
either, as many “Antis” TH have called for from time to time
A Texas Grandfather says:
November 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm
erose
We have no knowledge regarding how teachers were allowed or not allowed to leave the school for break times or lunch. Many rural schools in small communities allow teachers to leave the school to go get supplies, food or other things. It would only take ten minutes to meet another person and make a transfer. Just a possibility.
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Whether staff members can come and go during work time depends a lot on the school’s schedule and the principal’s permission. It reminds me that I brought this up when we were looking at Logan Storm and the fact that his school was not far away.
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T. Ruth says:
January 31, 2013 at 10:49 pm
I am posting this link again, FWIW, I do not know the person who owns this blog, but I can tell you that I truly believe that is Logan Storm in the picture with Kyron, or Burgess Jennings Hansen, unless he has a twin. If someone knows that it is not Logan Storm, then, please let come forward and let us know. According to this person’s blog the picture was from a Skyline Christmas fair 2008. http://missingpieceofthepuzzle.blogspot.com/2012/02/a-storm-in-teacup-or-is-it-perfect-storm.html
(snipped from my reply to T.Ruth)
When checking on L.S. on June 4th, T.Ruth mentioned his school started at 9:05. I’d also like to know when his planning period was. Sometimes teachers make an appointment in the morning and get there in time for their actual first class – or even trade with another teacher to cover their class. Depends on how strict the principal is about that. Just saying the starting time might not be when he arrived.
Since L. S. wasn’t reported to police until July 2010, left the country before he was charged, and was only recently tried and convicted, doesn’t this fit the description of something from early in the case that LE is now researching more thoroughly?
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current comment – I believe Blink said L.S. was at school June 4th, but as ATG says, that’s not enough to rule him (or anyone else) out IMO. In a small school of young children, it’s probably more difficult to leave and not be noticed, but certainly not impossible, especially if the campus is not designed for good views all around.
Here’s the bottom line in my experience – if you have no assigned duty during a period of time, technically you can leave the building and return. If you did it without telling the office, you probably won’t get fired unless there’s a clear written policy about not leaving without notice, but, if discovered, you could at least be told not to do that again or a note added to your district personnel file. If you have an accident while you are away and have not gotten permission from your principal to be gone, you will not be covered by workman’s comp.
Lots of JFK documentaries today to honor him and acknowledge the tragic event of his assassination 50 years ago. Applying some of the comments to Kyron’s case. Paraphrasing, people would rather believe a conspiracy than some lone unknown changing history because a conspiracy requires planning, so anything requiring planning keeps a random act of violence, something hard to comprehend, out of our minds. Not wanting to debate what was described as the most investigated murder in history, simply to say there is the simple answer and then the conspiracies. Our beliefs fall on that spectrum somewhere, and this drives home the point that the simple answer here is SZ, and everything from that point over falls in to one or another conspiracy theory. Something, apparently, by nature people want to believe.
Mom3.0- with much respect, I am going to declare an agreement to disagree between you and grasshopper.
grasshopper- with much respect I am going to declare an agreement to disagree between you and Mom3.0.
I know when posters are about to get on the escalator going up so I am hanging the out of service sign on it for a while for you two fine critical thinking BOCers.
xoxoxo
B
T. Ruth says:
November 21, 2013 at 8:42 pm
I just can’t believe, no matter how focused LE became on TMH, that they have not, in 3 years, look into every teacher tied to that school. They did subpoena a list of all PPS employees, IIRC. I asked this before, maybe MbS knows, can LE get access to all the Skyline Employee’s records?
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Personnel files are confidential, of course. I am not an attorney, but I believe investigators could gain access by search warrant to the personnel records of anyone they want if they can show there is reason to believe there may be information relevant to their investigation in the file. Might be more difficult if they can’t state a specific crime occurred, and might be more difficult if they wanted to search 40 or 50 records. Someone else probably knows the legal part better than I do.
I assume one’s personnel file is the property of the district or company they work for. Given that, I don’t know whether an employer or LE is required to notify an individual of the intention to examine his or her file. There may be something in the staff contract language that deals with this issue also.
Thinking about my own personnel file with 2 different districts, I would shudder to think that’s all anyone ever used to define my work. My very first evaluation in Beaverton was done by a principal who had NEVER been inside my classroom and said in my conference that we wouldn’t mention that and that it didn’t matter because he generally just picked a topic he thought everyone could improve on and wrote about that. Much later with PPS, I went several years without an evaluation because nobody got around to it and I ended up hounding an administrator to do it lest someone thought I wasn’t doing my job. And that’s the truth!
I, along with others, give some credence to Logan Storm as a the suspect or someone that he is closely associated with. Is there any inkling that LE or FBI has investigated this possibility? Again, back to the beginning, it is the SCHOOL.
@MockingbirdSings says:
November 22, 2013 at 3:49 am
Thanks for your response. I hope they did, just to be thorough.
I just figured it was Ky, which would be an abbreviated version of Kyron based on this: (Sorry, cannot bring up the actual March link anymore, but this post refers to Blink’s post(s) I was referring to.)
VLH says:
June 24, 2012 at 3:29 pm
@Blink & those who asked – Huge blushing apologies for the comment about Kyron not looking happy. I could’ve sworn I read that here, but I serched for hours last night, and although others had the same thinking, I couldn’t find the origin. Will not happen again.
This was my origin of SZ saying his name (which, as discussed – does NOT mean that SZ necessarily knew him. In fact, it’s pretty likely that he didn’t of you look at Blink and everyone’s responses here about opportunistic SO’s).
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-293/#comments
I appreciate that, and appreciate you understanding my need to remain factual, thanks again.
B
SNIP -
lyla says:
March 3, 2012 at 6:43 pm
So, Blink..do you still think this could have been a stranger abduction..no ties to TH & associates or KH?
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Blinks response:
SNIP-
I cannot rule it out, have never been able to, and in my mind it is still a strong possibility.
I have every reason to believe the individual was a stranger to Kyron, who referred to him by name.
B
(snipped)
Ky did not encounter the man in his room and to my knowledge her called him by his name.
B
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9ONtr_rKFnAJ:blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-8/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
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Anywho, now I’m thinking about other abbreviations for Kyron and the Special K came to my mind? I wonder if any other child in that school had the same nickname, like maybe K. Holm? Was he ever called Special K? Or could it be SZ call Kyron “K”.
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@Blink, why have all our posts under the DAD thread gone the way of the buffalo? All, 16,918 of them, am I doing something wrong to try to find them?
Point taken, will pay closer attention.
B
Let’s call this Respondant’s attorneys’ nuclear option
wrt J Kantor:
“The move by District Attorney Ryan Joslin, citing a state statute allowing a judge to be removed, postponed the case against the teen until a new judge could be assigned. Under Oregon law, an attorney isn’t required to specify the reason for seeking a new judge, said Tammy Wheeler, trial court administrator for Harney and Grant counties.
“An attorney simply has to state that he doesn’t believe the judge can be fair and impartial and that’s sufficient,” said Wheeler. While it is not uncommon for defense attorneys to avail themselves of the statute, …”
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/11/deer-hunting_camp_slayings_new.html#incart_river
This post is mine Blink :
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
November 22, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Thanks
Understood, will get there
B
@TRuth. when the context is plain, sometimes I just
shortcut & type K, Ky, or Kyr. No meaning intended.
Cindy says:
November 22, 2013 at 9:29 am
I, along with others, give some credence to Logan Storm as a the suspect or someone that he is closely associated with. Is there any inkling that LE or FBI has investigated this possibility? Again, back to the beginning, it is the SCHOOL.
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This has always seemed viable to me as well.
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@ January: I do tend to imagine myself in the shoes of others which is why I questioned Terri’s actions following the loss of Kyron and why I’ve freely commented on her probable frustration with his bio parents.
Just because my hunch is she knows more about Kyron’s disappearance than she has shared does not mean I don’t feel compassion for her and that is reflected in many of my posts going all the way back to 2004.
I don’t remember who posted it but I totally agree that if Terri had information she could not share because LE was not treating her fairly… well, what a travesty to all involved.
As an aside, I’m not trying to delve into the minds of those who disagree with me because the myriad reasons would be too varied to place judgment. Isn’t it better to simply read, ponder, and move forward? I believe we should all give each other the space to freely express without trying to judge the person behind the comments.
I’ve probably been guilty of it myself and if I have made anyone feel as if I were judging them for their words or perspectives please accept my apology.
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Ground Zero… the school. Deleted IT information. Missing SZ information. Misleading information about the times Kyron was last seen and by whom. Yes, Cindy. Back to the beginning.
It’s so very possible the perpetrator has been discussed here. He probably reads here as well.
@Amys Sister. I agree it is important to suggest our ideas
and questions and move forward. To pool our collaborative
case memories and find common areas worth advocacy. I
am often set on a better thinking path by posters.
T. Ruth says:
November 20, 2013 at 11:16 pm
more old posts:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/14/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-landscaper-rudy-sanchez-knew-kyron/
MaeBee says:
July 20, 2010 at 4:59 pm
First of all, I am a friend of the family. The glasses were not Kyron’s. Also there is not a ransom that I am aware of. If you find any information please post it. That would be a new one.
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I hate linking my own posts….but, this comment from this person who says she is a friend of the family…….
“The glasses were not Kyron’s.”
What glasses? Was she referring to the ones that LE used in the presentation of KyH clothes, etc? Or did they find another set of glasses belonging to Kyroh elsewhere?
Back to the school.
TH said Kyron was seen with two girls and a chaperone. Tanner said after returning to class from touring the SF that the chaperone said that Kyron was missing, and Porter told the chaperone Kyron was probably in the bathroom.
The chain of custody was TH – Porter – chaperone. (TH did not hand Kyron over to the teacher, Kyron walked to his classroom on his own.)
Assume Tanner was correct. That would mean that Kyron was assigned to a group, and Porter did not receive him back, and gave two stories about Kyron’s whereabouts. At around 10 am she thought he was in the bathroom, but by 3:45 pm her story was that Kyron was at the doctor’s. When did her story change? When Kyron failed to return from the bathroom? (Did the other kids ask her for his whereabouts and she told them he was at the doctor’s?)
How, and WHY did this chaperone lose track of Kyron? Is this the person who asked for Kyron’s help? What kind of story did he give LE and more important, why is this person not on HofB list of witnesses?
TH’s timeline proves she did not physically take Kyron, and we assume Porter did not take Kyron, then the chain of custody leaves the chaperone, and the chaperone makes a point to tell Porter he has lost track of Kyron.
How could he have known Porter would say Kyron is probably in the bathroom? How could he have known Porter would not sound the alarm at that very moment, and was he ready if she did?
If we believe Tanner, it proves Porter changed her story. But if we look at her story, she would either had to admit that she did not follow the chain of custody of having Kyron returned to her, when he did not return from the bathroom, so she had to come up with a reason she did not miss him all day, ie. the doctor’s appointment, but we know he was in Matthews classroom.
Are you now thinking what if Kyron never made it to his classroom and just wanders around by himself? To do so we have to ignore TH’s account of leaving him in the hall, steps from his classroom. We then have to assume that Kyron deciding within steps not to go into his classroom where his friends are, where his project is and we have to ignore Tanner’s account of the exchange between the chaperone and Porter when the SF was over.
What if the chaperone took Kyron. What if the chaperone returned to class without Kyron and was bold enough to tell the teacher Kyron was missing. Is this how SZ resurfaced, secured his alibi?
If you find that hard to believe, then you have to assume that both the chaperone and Porter (*BOTH*) neglected to keep the chain of custody of Kyron that day. What are the odds, two people in charge of a little boy and they *both* (BOTH) drop the ball? Who the eff was Kyron’s chaperone?
I would make all kinds of sense if Kyron and “the girls” entered Matthews room together with the chaperone, why Matthews would okay Kyron to go get something out of the car with this man. Kyron was already entrusted to this person. Why would Matthews say no?
corrected:
If we believe Tanner, it proves Porter changed her story. But if we look at her story, she would either have to admit that she did not follow the chain of custody of having Kyron returned to her, and neglect to notice when he did not return from the bathroom, so she had to come up with a reason she did not miss him all day, ie. the doctor’s appointment, but we know he was in Matthews classroom.
Amy’s Sister, please forgive me, It was not my intension to offend you. I am sorry if I did.
erose, If Tanners story about Ms. Porter saying Kyron was probably in the bathroom is correct, then you are right, she did change her story. What you said in your post makes sense.
However, the Chaperone Tanner referred who noticed Kyron wasn’t with them after the tour was female (see quote below).
Even so, Terri’s account of Kyron being seen with a male chaperone could still be true, except that he wasn’t a chaperone, he was SZ. Possibly the person who saw SZ with the two girls thought he was a chaperone. Maybe he told the two girls and Kyron he was a chaperone.
Maybe SZ was walking around talking with kids (two girls)while the children were touring. Perhaps Kyron felt safe, maybe he believed SZ to be related to the girls and/or a chaperone. SZ might have, at that point said to Kyron, “I need to get something from the car, would you like to help me?” Kyron might have said “We have to ask” .. enter Ms. Matthews.
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“And she was like ‘oh no where’s Kyron there’s only five’ and Mrs. Porter was like it’s okay calm down, calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I’m going to leave and she left, ” says Tanner Pumala.
http://www.examiner.com/article/search-for-missing-kyron-horman-is-now-a-criminal-case
@erose. Whether or not LE believed Tanner, his grandmother did.
Otherwise she would not have put him on TV against police advice.
A reason to do so, imo, was if she believed the public had inaccurate information
and was appalled at supervision laxness by Porter.
She also got Tanner out of Skyline by moving, tho that had been planned iirc.
To my recollection Tanner did not move from Skyline? You may be right, but I am not sure I am clear about Fuhrer’s intentions on that interview.
B
erose, IIRC, according to TP’s account the chaperone/substitute who missed Kyron was a female. I have always thought, just my thinking about why we don’t know who that was, is she was an adolescent. JMO
If Tanner’s account is accurate, then Kyron was put into a group and was reported missing to Porter probably around 10:00 a.m. I still do not understand Porter not being concerned about his backpack and coat hanging there all day. Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show, why in the hell didn’t anyone wonder where he was, enough to just make a phone call? Sad.
If we are to believe what the school says, it is because Terri told Porter that morning she was taking him to the doctor. Therein lies the inconsistencies. Which, since it’s been three years, I’m guessing cannot be proven one way or the other. It’s a she-said, she-said, situation. Only Terri & Porter know the truth, though I suppose it could be as simple as Porter did not hear Terri correctly, and just made a huge assumption when he turned up missing. First thinking bathroom, or getting a drink, and then a light bulb moment and she thinks *oh yes, I must have misunderstood Terri and she took Kyron to the doctor today.*
Lot’s of assumptions going on in that school isn’t there? EM assuming SZ was someone safe. Porter & some other as yet to be identified staff member, assuming he left with his Mother.
Wonder what the mom of the little guy Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show assumed? She may not have been there that day, but if she was I wonder what she was told.
I find it heck of interesting that the few little guys who we’ve heard talk about Kyron not being there, THEY were the ones who sounded concerned about Kyron’s absence, NOT the staff. They were expecting him to be there after lunch, but not the staff. Weird.
Why the silence on the identity of the group chaperone?
Actually I do believe the mayor tweeted about him.
B
OregonLive.com
Don’t jump to conclusions…since the stepmother was at the fair with him, it’s quite possible the teacher thought (or was told) he was going to leave with her. Let’s wait for details from an investigation.
Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:35:20 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html
As I am reading back old posts here and there, I thought the one above posted by teamball88, and when it was posted, was interesting. Firstly, because how early on this was posted, the morning after Kyron went missing. And secondly, because if you click on this persons poster name you will see he/she is or was a teacher by reading other comments. Which I found interesting, because this person seems to think it’s okay if the the teacher “thought” Kyron let with his mother.
I always thought tanners account was what terri was referencing in her email- I dont know if tanners account can be trusted theres a chance in is eagerness to help his remembrance was of an earlier day or time became June 4. IDK
It always bothered me that grandma let him be on the news- justmy feeling nothing more i found it weird especially if it was true they were explicitly told not to talk…
I was thinking after rereading the article which mentions terris past migraines- from her accident which a drunk driver hit her…
Well this may help to account for gaps in remembering her exact moments of that day-
She had a crying baby sick…MAYBE she had been up all night with baby or in the supposed argument…
her stepson doesnt show up on bus- she calls school becomes frantic
triggers migraine once a bad migraine set in it is hard to recall details IF Terri had migraines then it isnt too hard to believe that in those stressful horrid days she suffered from more than 1 if so her entire memories could be very hard to retrieve-
if she was on meds for migraines or a migraine at the time, this could also help to answer for some of the other stuff like maybe flunking the polys or certain questions
Migraines or meds could have been a factor of her seemingly drunk or weird behaviors up to and including being passed out on couch or staggering or slurred speech
Big speculation though as I do not know the severity of the migraines or if she was still suffering orif she had one at any of these times and how they affected her…
AJMO
Peace
Cindy says:
November 23, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Why the silence on the identity of the group chaperone?
Actually I do believe the mayor tweeted about him.
B
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There was a male chaperone at the science fair that the mayor tweeted about?
OR
The unidentified man in one of TH’s pictures that the mayor tweeted about was actually a group chaperone at the science fair.
OR
There was a separate tweet by the mayor about an identified male chaperone
I’m confused
one pps employee was terminated mid-July 2010 on rec of Supt & without Union quibbling, apparently:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2010-2011_Action_Minutes.pdf
While the employee would not resign, the employee did not sue.
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http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2009-2010_Action_Minutes.pdf
On p264 & 266, Mar 10, 2010, Porter & Terrones are reclassified ftom probationary to contract teachers.
Also in March10, 2010, on p 237 contract teachers are extended thru
June 30, ****2013! ****
3 year contracts explains a lot.
I did not see Mastin or Mathews amongst them, but did not look carefully, and other months include additional teacher appointments, randomly, or both could be on a different contract cycle. But this list has most of the teachers for 2011-2013.
If neither EM nor PM are on this list, both had decided by March 2010 not to return to PPS in 2011 already imo.
p 297, Keefer’s 3-yr contract
Yes, January! Tanner said, “she” slight detail, lol, no wonder it never clicked for me before. I really thought I was on to something. So Blink says Kyron’s chaperone = MM, and I thought Blink said way back, MM = not SZ. With most of the stuffing knocked out of my theory, I would still like to know how MM lost the chain of custody, and what his story was.
It just occurred to me that Tanner called the woman with which Porter had the exchange a “sub.” Could it be that the male chaperone never returned with Kyron, and this “sub” was another volunteer, or Skyline staff who was charged with rounding up all the children after the SF?
The below is the full statement from MCSO following DY’s “sudden” announcement that she was dropping the suit that had been abated until August. Interesting in regard to the hearing discussion on Kaine knowing what the investigator’s “impressions” and “strategies” were.
Also interesting when thinking about how much DY was “shown” (perhaps no more than the “emails”?) as opposed to how much Kaine was let in on. Of course, proximity played a factor. But, IIRC, DY said very little about the sexting, as if she hadn’t even read it. IR that her statement for the camera was, “well, it speaks to her character”.
Just a note. This was, i think, the last official statement by Staton and boys. The statement is completely devoid of statements such as “protecting the witnesses” etc that was part of the original argument for abatement. And is is so political in tone as to say nothing except that OT for the case is still a matter of course.
So was Dede ALL that they had in mind to OPEN all those INVESTIGATIVE DOORS?
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mult-Co-Sheriffs-Ofc-Kyron-Case-Update-217667611.html
July 30th …updated 2:37 pm
“The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is aware that Desiree Young has withdrawn her civil suit against Terri Horman. The Kyron Horman investigation remains an active, ongoing criminal investigation. While the civil suit was of interest, it did not affect the course of action or goal of the investigation. We continue to work with our investigative partners and the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office as we maintain the case integrity, development of leads and information gathered through the course of the investigation.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office remains in close contact with the parents of Kyron regarding the course of the investigation. In addition, Sheriff Staton has met regularly with Kaine Horman concerning the investigation and to ensure they are fully aware of the current course of action being taken by investigators. Sheriff Staton wants the citizens of Multnomah County to know this criminal investigation remains a high priority for the Sheriff’s Office and that it will continue unimpeded. The integrity and security of the investigation remains foremost for this agency.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is unable to comment on specifics of the investigation but would like to reiterate its commitment to finding and bringing Kyron home and bringing closure to Kyron’s family and the investigation. MCSO encourages anyone with information regarding this case to contact our tip line at 503-261-2847.”
Has that school and every NOOK been checked? I have a sick feeling they will find this boy in the school. Some closet or vent area. Seems they always miss what is right in front of them.
Parents check and help. Attics, everywhere!
June 7, 2010, 7:04:56 PM PDT · Flag · Like
Not possible he could go undetected this long in that environment. He was definitely removed.
B
Clicked too FAST….
Above post….in response to Truth and Olive comments early on in the case.
That comment, #31 of my post.
That was not me saying this. It was a poster on Olive in the same set of comments that Truth was referring to.
T-Ruth,
This commenter in #31 above had only ONE comment in their archives…the one abovee in my Blink comment #31.
I’m thinkin’…..as maybe you are….that commenters early on were very affiliated with the school, and/or, family if they ONLY commented on this story.
@ January and erose:
Gina Zimmerman stated groups were formed as early as 8:15. In the link January provides the word ‘regrouping’ is used…
“8-year-old Tanner Pumala, a desk mate of Kyron says, “I went downstairs, and that was the last time I saw him and I never seen him after that,” Tanner told KOIN news. Tanner said, the class was regrouping and it was the substitute that noticed Kyron was missing.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/search-for-missing-kyron-horman-is-now-a-criminal-case
It sounds like the female chaperone had seen Kyron earlier, maybe even Kyron and Terri were ‘semi’ touring with Tanner’s group, then at the time of regrouping after all the buses had arrived the chaperone noticed Kyron, who was supposed to be part of her group, was no longer there.
The timing is becoming a little more clear to me with an early tour of 8:15 and the regrouping around nine then everyone returned to class for the 10 o’clock attendance.
“Cindy says:
November 23, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Why the silence on the identity of the group chaperone?
Actually I do believe the mayor tweeted about him.
B”
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The man in the plaid shirt is visible on the photo Terri took of Kyron. I’m not aware he was a chaperone. There is contention the image was Photoshopped.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-1143-kyron_horman_update_man_spotted_in_photo_from_step.html
March 2, 2009 2-year contract extention until June 2011
pp 213-235 approx.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2008-2009_Action_Minutes.pdf
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March 2008.
p251 fast progress. In school year 2008-09, Jill Sage was contracted to be a 3rd year probationary teacher
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2007-2008_Action_Minutes.pdf
p254ff, a one-year contract for teachers until June 2009
If anyone finds Mathews or Mastin on contract lists from 08-10, I tip my hat. http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/board/2191.htm
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March 2, 2009 2-year contract extention until June 2011
pp 213-235 approx.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2008-2009_Action_Minutes.pdf
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March 2008.
p251 fast progress. In school year 2008-09, Jill Sage was contracted to be a 3rd year probationary teacher
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/board/2007-2008_Action_Minutes.pdf
That I think means the came on board the year, or the year after, Smith began to work for PPS in Admin which would explain going from probation in March 2009 to a fast Admin promotion track & Skyline principal.
p254ff, a one-year contract for teachers until June 2009
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btw, there was another big real estate sale to naya in 7/20/09 minutes
Regarding the chain of custody of Kyron, I never agreed with people who thought TH should have walked Kyron in to his classroom. After all, he was familiar with finding his way from the bus to the classroom every other day. I believe Kyron walked in to that classroom and was assigned to a group. That person was responsible to keep track of him. If that person lost sight of him, (and it happens) then it was their responsibility to seek him out. If that person voices their concern to the teacher, and the teacher then dismisses it, then I can see how the responsibility falls back on the teacher.
If I were the parent in this situation, I would have been down the throats of anyone involved in the chain of custody of my child, asking more questions than LE. KH and DY have never openly questioned the school, and if memory serves, KH displayed support to Skyline and staff, believing the crux of the school’s defense that Kyron never made it to class, so Porter never received him in the chain of custody.
Have we totally lost those references to Kyron telling a friend that he was going to go and see “the cool electric one” and then all the discussion about someone asking permission for Kyron to go and get something (or whatever), that we are assuming is SZ.
So which was it?
Did KYRON tell someone that he was leaving?
Or did SOMEONE ask permission from the teacher for him to go?
OR did KYRON tell someone that he was going to see “the cool electric one” after the UNKNOWN asked permission from the teacher?
wrt to Skyline principal who succeeded Keefer after a 1-year interim, Jill Sage, a guidance counselor, was contracted in March 2008 to her 3rd probationary year in 2008-2009.
She was Appointed Skyline principal beginning July 2012
http://srnpdx.org/newsline-june-9-2012
Article says in 11-12, she was asst principal at Marysville K-8.
In 10-11, (or 09-11) she was Asst Prin at Jackson Middle.
How typical is this career path, mbs, for a guidance counselor to go from “probation graduation,” to 2 (maybe 3) years as Asst Prin in 2 schools, then make Principal?
She came on board PPS about when Smith did.
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You know when with local govt in cps, I visited local “educational” day contractor placements for temp wards…never put anyone there.
I just read a lot of Board Resolutions (url above) which have years of the Board voting contract $ for those alternative schools. Yet here, a regular, is relying on VISTA for volunteer “academic support” employees. These kids merit paid PPS employees as their aides & academic support. imo this PPS needs to be dismantled & rebuilt by DOJ to comply with Federal laws, ADA etc.
http://www.pdx.edu/ssw/jobs
“VISTA Academic Volunteer Coordinator – full announcement and application instructions. Application deadline 12-1-13.
AmeriCorps Construction Trainer Assistant – full announcement and application instructions. Application deadline 12-2-13.
AmeriCorps Academic Support Assistant – full announcement and application instructions. Application deadline 1-5-14.
Portland YouthBuilders, a non-profit alternative high school and vocational training program, is now hiring for three full-time volunteer positions. Please help us get the word out. We have previously advertised these positions, but are reopening them to get a sufficient applicant pool. All positions include a monthly stipend, health insurance, bus pass and education award.”
The days of feeding public school kids an education of how to work construction, or how to join VISTA, as taught during the school day at “school” by VISTA volunteers, needs to stop.
I bet this approach to education doesn’t occur in the rural deep South now, under the color of law of a public school board’s policies.
http://www.pdx.edu/ssw/jobs
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I stumbled on that ad looking for Smith’s previous school to see if Sage was an employee.
Smith too was an ed guidance counselor, aiming herself at Admin
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/CSmith_Resume-5_pg.pdf
http://www.teachersandparentstogether.com/breaking-investigation-shows-how-portland-schools-administration-failing-our-students/
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There are multiple routes to a Pulitzer for Dongca as a PPS Ed reporter:
1) Kyron’s story, told from the POV of him, a young PPS student, beginning at Ground zero, and the school system’s response angle. I would include Skyline School experienced in Grade 2 thru HIS eyes prior to his abduction, which would necessitate interviews with staff, family, & student friends.
2) SpecEd, just like the College project, but much expanded. Focus on Skyline, George, & a high school
3) The whole alternative school system, contracts, Board conflicts of interest. applicable Fed laws violated.
Outstanding future source: the terminated Jack Graham, who likely sent the Auditor to PPS who had bad news for the School Board as reported in WW.
4) abysmal K-6 State testing relative to comparable Districts in other States, & reasons for.
@Vw. the statement of Staton you posted:
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Mult-Co-Sheriffs-Ofc-Kyron-Case-Update-217667611.html
is very interesting now in light of the bios acknowledgement on Dr P they were estranged & hadn’t spoken in past years. Did Staton not know that? Sounds like Staton was estranged ftom briefing Desiree, likely the impetus for her suit.
“regarding the course of the investigation. In addition, Sheriff Staton has met regularly with ****Kaine Horman ****concerning the investigation and to ensure
****they *****are fully aware of the current course of action being taken”
So how come Staton thought briefing Kaine ensured ***both *** were ****fully**** aware?”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-57/#comment-2207501
@RedRose says:
November 23, 2013 at 7:40 pm
That’s an interesting question. Is it possible Kyron was put in a group and when the group toured 109, SZ asks Kyron to help him get something from his vehicle ( do we know for sure it wasn’t to help him take something to his vehicle?). Mystery man leaves in his vehicle, drives around to a different location. Kyron goes back into the school, does not rejoin his group, but passes TP in the hall and says he’s going to go look at the cool electric one. Is it possible that SZ told Kyron about the cool electric project and met up with him where ever he told him it was and then abducted him?
So many scenarios possible without knowing more.
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Can someone tell me why all these Olive videos say “processing”. Is it just my computer? All the way back to the first week there are videos no longer available that say “processing”. ????
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron%20horman/videos.html
@RedRose, I believe it was Tanner who passed Kyron going downstairs to see the cool electric one. Matthews room was downstairs. It is possible both boys were in tour groups when they passed each other.
The cauldron on FB 2 pages I visited) tells proudly of their visit today to T’s residence where she lives with her parents in Roseburg. Don’t know how many went. one of the pictures features D in the center. many posts urge T to “tell D where Kyron is” and “atta girl D” type stuff. they chalked various words in the street in front of the house and harassed enough that cops were called. I suppose that the withdrawal of the civil suit frees D to act in this manner. I don’t know why MCSD, and DA continue to facilitate this by keeping the truth from the public. It is IMO inexcusable. T has never been charged, no evidence has been released, and yet people feel free to stalk her in this manner. for shame.
I emailed you and asked you to please source the police report.
WRT to the linkage, I know you are simply respecting my wishes about the hater crater.
I could not be more conflicted in my response. I am going to reserve my right to sleep on it and revisit. Maybe check what’s in my tea. My last experience with chalk in my street was when Blinkette wrote the speed limit 10 times after her brother got scared when riding his bike.
A missing child, sidewalk chalk and adults- allegedly this happened.
B
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/board/2191.htm
Board Resolutions 2008-2009 (both are listed in here)
March 2, 2009
RESOLUTION No. 4048
Election of Second-Year Probationary Teachers
RESOLUTION
Based on the recommendation of the Superintendent of Portland Public Schools, the following
persons are hereby elected as Second Year Probationary teachers for the school year 2009-2010
(snipped)
Mastin, Paul M. is on page 204.
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March 2, 2009
RESOLUTION No. 4052
Contract Extension for Teachers
RESOLUTION
Based on the recommendation of the Superintendent of Portland Public Schools, the employment
contracts for the following contract teachers are hereby extended through June 30, 2011.
Mathews, Easter J. is on pg 220
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2009-2010
Mastin doesn’t come up anywhere.
Mathews, Easter J. is on pg 271 (dated March 2010)
listed as above with the contract going through June 2013.
(and listed in the 2010-11 as same; and on pg 217 in the 2011-12 as going through 2014; Do not see her on the 2012-13 list anymore.
Rose, what is it your after? I’m lost.