Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. Rose says:

    @VLH. Consider OLive’s source. I don’t see her quoting corroboration (who initiated the move) from a 2nd source

    The reason I asked if Kaine’s Calif boss is also the owner of the 3 nightclubs/bars, & the Costa Rican property sales, is if so I suspect Houze plans to call him for more than the % Intel contributes to retirement.

    How’d you get 20 pp of depo online Blink? I thought there were 13.
    Grass, hope you can get while they’re still public. What I noticed was the wide latitude Houze gave Engel to yap away, even answering frequently for the client who could not independtly formulate simple truthful answers.

  2. Rose says:

    @ATG. He was also a man about Menlo Park.
    At least he & Terri frequently refer to Calif trips.
    I’ve read there are delightful bars in the area.

  3. Rose says:

    How does Engel fit Kyron’s drs. appontment into his theory of Terri’s divorce Plan B?

    Blink can you say what “trouble” with RSE the family friend had been told about at the time?

    Too bad LE gave this guy immunity without a poly.

    The issue DDS recounted.
    B

  4. Rose says:

    wrt to sexting, yes nothing about Cook either now.
    I guess that’s because it’s part of sting 2 (or was that 3?)
    Rackner could be called as a witness to.

  5. Rose says:

    btw I boycott Walmart, so I guess my only credible sources are Blink’s
    on-site Court correspondents & objective documents. I recomment postCourt hall podcast questions
    be submitted in advance, requested beforehand, telling Bunch how to id you, ie orange dress/pink
    rinse or something. Maybe Naya boots.

  6. Bumble says:

    Amy’s Sis- not the way it went down. A family friend was discussing her interviews with LE with TMH and another family member on the line. She was going down the list she gave and the family friend stopped her at gardener and said- could they mean that guy who did the bushes you had the problem with? TMH yelled something to the effect of OMG, that’s right, I completely forgot about him and she followed up with LE immediately. I will note that while I am not identifying either party, the family friend has been interviewed by the FBI and is credible.

    B

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/09/11/blink-on-crime-kyron-horman-investigation-exclusive-dede-spicher-interview-yields-allegations-of-illegal-steroid-use-terri-horman-took-to-police/comment-page-70/#comment-2209330
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    @Blink,

    Given the 911 call in May, I personally find it hard to believe that TMH would have forgotten about RSE. That was only a month before Ky disappeared. If LE was on the line and someone else brought up RSE, then I can imagine her feigning that she had forgotten all about him if there was anything to the MFH.

    I can only say that why would she point out the landscaper if she knew it would lead to the mfh plot allegedly. There is no set of circumstances I am ever going to believe any of this BS ever again after what we just learned. I don’t believe it ever happened, and maybe they won’t admit it, but the reasonable folks so convinced of TMH guilt they are chalkandstalking folks have pause with this information.

    B
    B

  7. Bumble says:

    @blink,

    Oops, it doesn’t say LE was also on the line. My mistake, but I still wonder how she could have forgotten RSE.

  8. cd says:

    A Texas Grandfather says:
    December 10, 2013 at 10:21 am
    -snip

    There are 136 pages to his deposition that took place over 2 days. I found the 20 plus pages I have read staggering in his ability to never say a single thing directly. Le advised him what to tell his toddler about his mother?

    My bippy they did. He is already on record that he consulted a therapist on the issue. I don’t care what circular talkabout business he purports- he told that child her mother was dead and that is going to come out so why not come clean already?

    ————–
    IMO
    Could it be that Kaine suffers from some sort of borderline personality disorder. With all of his misleading statements lies infidelity compulsion to keep BabyK from her mother and generally weird behavior its starting to sound like Kaine has some psychological problems. Growing up In a household where he may have been abused as a child it would not be that unusual.

    poor Kitty what a mess

  9. Amys Sister says:

    @ Bumble, I agree. Someone ‘reminded’ Terri about RSE so she knew that information would eventually make it’s way to LE. Especially if this someone was being interviewed by LE as well. Terri isn’t dumb and knew she should go to LE to say, hey, I forgot about this one guy who worked in our yard…

    She had to point him out at some time lest it look too obvious she was trying to hide him.

    I know manipulators and honest to God she seems like one to me, and a very good one.

  10. Rose says:

    WW retoots Milwaukie WI journalists on Portland ATF &
    Amanda Marshall DoJ questionable sting tactics.
    http://www.wweek.com/portland/mobile/blogs/blogView/id:31005

  11. ginag says:

    And in reply to those who are skeptical of Terry hiring a landscaper without Kaines knowledge – as one who is married to an aspy ie Asperger engineer type who doesn’t do yard work and doesn’t care about it – I have hired outside help all the time without inquiring with him knowing that he would just be grateful that it was done. And actually I find it a little offensive that a wife it is assumed cannot make those decisions on her own when that is the expectation in the relationship.

  12. erose says:

    @Bumble, I struggle with how TH could have forgotten RSE as well, especially if they were having an affair. Either he was a predominate person in the Horman’s life or he was not. KH has denied knowledge of him, but then didn’t he contradict that at some point? How could KH say “fire the landscaper” (para) if he did not know one existed. If he didn’t say to fire him then TH’s altercation with him was not about that, it was about something else, maybe the affair. Could it be that she did not relate to him as the landscaper, because she thought of him more as an ex-boyfriend?

  13. Rose says:

    @ginag. I thot Kane’s expectation in the relationship was he cleared every time. It sounds like she turned over checks in her name & he paid the mortgage & bills. I thought for house projects she could not manage, she turned to her parents to pay. Imo he knew, withut that MO being disclosed or discussed, she’d done that due to the work product & had come to rely on it. @Amy’s, a bucolic & blessed scene, but I don’t remember a Horman vegie garden, strawberries, or lawn in front of a porch. And then there woukd be Kyron who apparently had a way of taking off to follow his interests, reportedly.

  14. Rose says:

    cleared every “dime”

  15. Rose says:

    I wonder if all this relates to TH turning in K’s drug supplier to a detective.
    To say K walked around with $10,000 was to scream drug dealing.
    You can’t deposit $10,000 at once. If so, Clearly he’d have to discredit her & shut her up.
    The dr appointment motivation is also suspect. It was known not only to K but at the school.

  16. erose says:

    That’s where I’m at, Rose. What else could it be. It explains the DEA agent involvement during the sting. It explains Rackner, LE, etc. Nothing else fits, and by fits I mean we need a bigger table for the puzzle.

    Rose says:
    December 10, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I wonder if all this relates to TH turning in K’s drug supplier to a detective.
    To say K walked around with $10,000 was to scream drug dealing.
    You can’t deposit $10,000 at once. If so, Clearly he’d have to discredit her & shut her up.
    The dr appointment motivation is also suspect. It was known not only to K but at the school.

  17. Bumble says:

    But he’s no Huckleberry Finn.

    “He’s not real adventurous,” she said. “He’s a little timid. But if a friend wanted to go outside and look at something, he would follow the friend. He has a friend who he regularly gets in trouble with in the classroom because he talks too much.”

    Moulton said Kyron will not even venture far from his home in a wooded area.

    “He won’t get out of sight of the house,” she said. “He’s pretty insecure about that. So I can’t see him wandering off.”

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
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    @rose,

    I have not heard it reported that Kyron had a habit of taking off after his own interests. Only that he was timid and not one to wander off.

  18. Amys Sister says:

    ginag says:

    December 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    _____

    @ Gina, are you telling your husband that you are doing the work? And telling your friends that your husband is making you do it? Do your friends believe you clean gutters, clear blackberry bushes and drive a John Deere meanwhile, you’re not?

    ****

    Hi Rose. If Kaine cleared every dime how did she pay the landscaper? Yes, we had and have a ‘normal’ home and it’s healthy for kids to be outside so, though mowing a lawn isn’t my fave, I did it when hubs was away on business. I’ll never forget a naked toddler and a boxer playing together in the sprinkler. I swear, even the dog was laughing. That was a great day.

    Anyway, even better if they didn’t have a veggie garden, less to take care of. The point was a small child or children need not prevent one from working in the yard, especially nice private acreage such as the Horman’s had.

    Where is the evidence Kaine demanded these things of Terri, anyway? If she’s as manipulative as I suspect, she could have been pretending to do these things to put herself on a pedestal and make him look bad to others.

    It just seems like their personal bullsh.. made life really hard on the children.

  19. grasshopper says:

    Rose says,
    Grass, hope you can get while they’re still public. What I noticed was the wide latitude Houze gave Engel to yap away, even answering frequently for the client who could not independtly formulate simple truthful answers.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    after this iboshi docs including RS subpoena, when I asked all the questions at courthouse and discovered that tha subpoena was marked as “exhibit” I later asked if it was possible to request exhibits. This is an entire learning process for me. The clerk who was helping me gave me a blue card (instead of white) and said to use that. so next time I go to file room I will request this 20 page exhibit and see what happens. I assume it will not be available yet since the courthouse has been closed for 2 days and these docs were not listed on the last day open.

    also your remark about how Kantor sat on these docs until the weekend is one I totally missed. Engel’s doc was filed on Dec 3rd. normally it would be entered in data base the next day but it wasn’t yet entered on the 6th. so probably he also held Bunch’s response dated 5th when it normally would have been entered the 6th. I keep checking the court calendar to see if Kantor is doing anything during this hiatus. that power outage is only a few blocks in downtown portland. no reason he couldn’t schedule that hearing.

  20. Amys Sister says:

    It does burn me up a little that they could have had a great life! He earned enough money to support the fam. Terri was trained in working with children. A nice home in a great community. What appear to be three awesome kids.

    I know people aren’t perfect and life is messy. We all live it. I just wish these two could have found happiness inside themselves.

  21. T. Ruth says:

    Busy, busy monring, not finished reading all the docs out there today, but isn’t it just amazing how when one is depo’d they seem to have a huge case of CRS.

    Mr Horman has been most verbal about how Terri was “all about the kids” and such a good mom before, and he never saw this coming, etc. where the hell did all that go? He forgot? He conveniently now can’t remember anything before Ky went missing. (Yes, he should win some sort of prize for the inability to answer a direct question with a direct answer as well.)
    Makes me ill.

    Okay, back to reading.

    *****************
    If Terri was asked about someone who might hold a grudge, I still don’t understand why she did not point to Kaine’s roid supplier and/or if he was jailed, his possible roid connections. Or did she?

  22. Rose says:

    @erose. the simple story TH recounted to acquaintances
    like DDS is RSE just abruptly attempted sexual assault with
    Kiara on her hip. Probably that’s why LE went to his door,
    & the info got to his wife. I hope she took off & is well hidden,
    not disappeared like Kyron.

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  24. MockingbirdSings says:

    OK – Blink said she went so far as to check to be sure Anna Canzano was happily married, and she is. [OT – she has tweeted that she’s pregnant, wearing a “Tis the Season to Be Pregnant” T-shirt. I congratulate them and wish them the best. ]

    So, following Blink’s comment, I wondered if perhaps Anna had been friends with Kaine before all this, or, since her husband is a sports commentator, perhaps John was friends, or acquainted, with Kaine. I did not remember us discussing this before, so I did some limited research and came up with the following:

    1 – Both couples got married on the same island in Hawaii. Weddings there are popular, but it just seemed like an interesting coincidence. Horman wedding was April, 2007. Canzano wedding was July, 2010.

    2 – John is an Oregonian sports columnist and 95.5-FM “Sports 750The Game” radio afternoon talk show host. He interviewed Kaine on June 1, 2012, the day DY filed her civil suit. I listened to the interview to hear what Kaine said, but I ended up most interested in what John says. He repeatedly mentions that his 9 year old daughter is the same age as Kyron. He is, of course, also giving publicity for the run for Kyron that Kaine is promoting.

    John mentions he dreams about this case, that he sees Houze in the elevator when he goes to work and wants to ask him “Where is Kyron?” He refers to Terri not being willing to waive her 5th Amendment rights in order to try to see her daughter as “despicable”. He is very clear about his opinion of Terri and how dedicated a father he thinks Kaine is.

    Kaine’s comments include the story of keeping Kyron’s room ready and buying age appropriate toys and clothes for him. (I wonder if he keeps the room locked or how he explains the stuff to his daughter.) John asks Kaine what his theory is – Kaine says he believes Terri had help and that Kyron was taken out of the area and is alive somewhere. He also says Terri had a “parallel life” that it was “eye opening” for everybody.

    John asks about Kiara and Kaine says she is “insulated” so she can lead the normal life of a 3 ½ year old. He says everyone should do everything they can to support the civil suit, noting that now we have “2 criminal cases and 2 civil cases”.

    It’s clear from the talk that Kaine feels he’s in the company of someone who agrees with him and is trying to help. To me, he sounds more relaxed – of course, he knows there will be no tough questions.

    Now I’m wondering – (a) how can Anna be an unbiased, accurate reporter on this case (even if she wants to be), whether she has regular coffee time with Kaine, or not? (b) does a sports reporter/commentator count if Houze wanted to show how Terri’s reputation has been harmed by the media? (c) does anyone think a happily married, pregnant reporter whose husband very clearly thinks TH is guilty and who has developed a friendship with KH will be able to meet the standards of professional journalism?

    If you haven’t heard the interview, I hope you get a chance to listen. It’s about 16 minutes.

    Not me MBS- I never wondered or cared about Anna’s personal situation?
    B

  25. erose says:

    At first I thought we were getting a new article, but I think we’re getting Blink on the radio tonight:

    snip>
    Live Tonight at 9 PM EST- Join Editor In Chief S. Christina Stoy as Dana Pretzer’s guest on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW where she will be discussing the true crime cases her team has covered in 2013.

    http://blinkoncrime.com/

  26. erose says:

    I know very little about BPD, but as I see it, KH has backed himself into a corner (the far corner of the ceiling). Anything he says now to advance his case is a contradiction of previous statements. He cannot even express or evaluate his own parenting skills. I don’t remember love being mentioned, but I could be wrong.

    cd says:
    December 10, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    snip>
    IMO
    Could it be that Kaine suffers from some sort of borderline personality disorder. With all of his misleading statements lies infidelity compulsion to keep BabyK from her mother and generally weird behavior its starting to sound like Kaine has some psychological problems. Growing up In a household where he may have been abused as a child it would not be that unusual.

    poor Kitty what a mess

  27. T. Ruth says:

    I’ve asked this before, I know, but does anyone know if Tony Young would be considered as LE in the judge’s ruling about not being able to ask Mr. Horman anything that came from LE in his deposition? Would that include Officer Young or would Officer Young be considered part of the family, just Kyron’s step dad in the eyes of the judge?

    IIRC, at one point DY & TY did say they had been given no special information because of TY being on the force. So I would guess, were that true, he could be deposed and anything he may have told Kaine could also be asked of Kaine.

    This may mean absolutely nothing, but when I first saw the FB remark from DY “no talkie-no Kiara”, I immediately thought this thought may have been put into her head by her husband.

    In any case, I wonder if the judge has made himself clear on whether or not TY is considered LE in this case.

  28. grasshopper says:

    Amy’s Sister says,
    Where is the evidence Kaine demanded these things of Terri, anyway? If she’s as manipulative as I suspect, she could have been pretending to do these things to put herself on a pedestal and make him look bad to others.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    where do you get the notion that T is manipulative? that she put herself on a pedestal? that she made K look bad to others? T has not said one word publicly since Kyron disappeared. She cooperated fully with LE including polygraphs, without retaining an attorney until sting, MFH and RO. Virtually everything we have come to “know” about T has come from the mouths of K and D, K divorcing her and manipulating things such that she cannot see her daughter. D hates her for marrying her ex. The early articles state that K & D’s marriage had fallen apart before she got pregnant so T might not have been the reason but D clearly hates T. and LE has assigned T to be their scapegoat for not solving the case, and continually imply they are ready to arrest her.None of these people supplying public info about T has any creditability in terms of truth or even reality. IMO you are projecting these qualities on T.

  29. Rose says:

    @cd. diagnosis schamgnonis, not to be snarky but a good Family Court Judge doesn’t need it where there is significant behavioral history by a spouse and severing of the other parent’s relationship.
    here’s an experienced Family Bench Judge who just says I knows it when I sees it wrt a parent who severed the father-son relationship of an infant for 2 years, so the boy didn’t know Dad. Judge started visits, culminating in full visits, & supervised visits for the parent who’d been the devoted primary caretaker all the child’s life. But this was an experienced Judge.
    Many excerpted trial transcripts begin 1/4 way down.
    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/11/14/61139/695/otherpolitics/Connections-Unplugged-The-Generals-and-the-Hornet-s-Nest

  30. T. Ruth says:

    Do we know when in 2008 Terri allegedly hired RSE? Wasn’t she pregnant with Kiara in 2008, or do I have my dates wrong? I’ve heard rumors that her parents helped her (or paid for) the landscaper, never confirmed, but isn’t it possible that when she was 7/8/9 months pregnant she could no longer handle all the jobs around the house and she got help. Makes sense to me, the Moulton’s were probably excitedly looking forward to a third grandchild. Perhaps Kaine would have been been ticked, because he didn’t want Terri to be pregnant in the first place. Which reportedly was the case, and so Terri, didn’t tell him, because she knew it would tick him off. IDK, just thinking about circumstances.

  31. RedRose says:

    Beautiful and insightful post.

    @Amys Sister says:December 10, 2013 at 5:26 pm

  32. Rose says:

    @mbs. wrt “does anyone think a happily married, pregnant reporter whose husband very clearly thinks TH is guilty and who has developed a friendship with KH will be able to meet the standards of professional journalism?”
    TY for this public info.
    Short answer, Most professionals in other media markets with higher standards would, but I
    fail to see it in her broadcasts, cultivation of sources, and investigative methods. Perhaps
    as she grew up in Portland’s hispanic communityshe might possibly be inclined to believe RSE.
    No one here but Beejay has commented on the importance of the
    local Hispanic communities’ opinions in the RSE v TH interactions, or suggested his local
    hispanic community tips are key. Since mcso is predominantly a bunch of white guys, who’s
    gonna tip to them?

    When reporters are emotionally involved & fail to do due diligence
    investigation, it shows in their broadcasts.

    Portland is hardly a sportsreporter’s career ambition. My childhood best friend
    started out in Philly from his college BA, & moved on to the Cleveland Plain Dealer
    forever. There are many leading sportswriters’ newspaper venues. Not Portland.

  33. T. Ruth says:

    It’s also possible that Terri told Kaine James did the landscape work, and maybe Kaine expected him to. Wouldn’t be the first time (nor the last) that those two would have conflicts of expectations involving each others’ children. Happens all the time in split families, trying to make things work. Could be as simple as Terri wanted James to go have some summer fun and Kaine just didn’t see it that way, so Terri told a fib and said James did the work. IDK.

    ***************

    Anywho, I see Houze makes reference to some sort of documents that LE has that belong to RSE, which he would not answer. Could those be more sexts? Wasn’t that what someone reported when Cook’s were released, that they somehow bore resemblance to those conversations between a landscaper?

  34. Rose says:

    @Blink. I don’t read MBS as commenting on Canzano’s personal situation or life. It is reasonable for her public to wonder why a broadcast jounalist has not recused herself from a story where her reporter spouse has publically opined in reportage he wants to confront adversely on a personal level in a private space the respondant’s attorney, finds the respondent despicable, dreams about the case, and gives positive publicity to KH’s money raising. My personal opinion if his public statements are true, are they both have ethical professional issues.

    Agreed, I was simply saying I was not responsible for the query in the first place so she knew it was attributable to someone else.
    B

  35. Rose says:

    emotionally, if not physically, abused penniless jobless & assetless housewives are grnerally too beaten down to manipulate or leave. They need to be rescued. One Q is where were the Moultons’ heads, and what did they know, when? They imo would be very credible on the stand. I am surprised they’re not on Engel’s adverse party depo list.
    Ditto Tarver & Ecker. Engel has plenty of imagination (to summarize a depo using phrases deposee denied), but not enough.

  36. Rose says:

    @TRuth. wrt “If Terri was asked about someone who might hold a grudge, I still don’t understand why she did not point to Kaine’s roid supplier and/or if he was jailed, his possible roid connections….”
    By all accounts, this was a wife protective of ALL family members publically…
    remember her allegedly not wanting blowback on KH wrt to the steroids supplier?
    Why would she sacrifice him then when his son has disappeared ?

  37. Rose says:

    @Truth, wrt ” isn’t it just amazing how when one is depo’d they seem to have a huge case of CRS.” Imo a well prepared deponant with a competent attorney would not even be in KH’s ballpark. Imo RSE was better prepared

  38. Amys Sister says:

    grasshopper says:

    December 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    ____

    You must have missed the part you snipped from my post.

    “…are you telling your husband that you are doing the work? And telling your friends that your husband is making you do it? Do your friends believe you clean gutters, clear blackberry bushes and drive a John Deere meanwhile, you’re not?”

    Grasshopper, I won’t accuse you of projecting onto Kaine, Desiree, and LE and you don’t accuse me of doing same to Terri, K?

    Her actions speak for themselves. Let’s not forget she was talking before July 2010 and her friends shared what she wrote in emails and what she had to say… Dede Schneider as one example.

  39. Rose says:

    @Grass. Haha as my 20 yo, to my distress, repeatedly texts.
    for all we know Kantor sat on it, but it was his staff leak. His staff are not
    family Court experienced. At this point anything is possible.
    But imo the agenda of the Canzano source is to embarrass & control Judge.

    You are right to work alone.
    One can get much farther ahead to access info (like blue cards)
    that way. Would you consider emailing Houze with a self-identifying marker
    offering one Q for post-Court in the Hall , or his option,
    for a BOC corridor “interview,” and have
    the podcast recorder ready.

  40. Amys Sister says:

    T Ruth says: Anywho, I see Houze makes reference to some sort of documents that LE has that belong to RSE, which he would not answer. Could those be more sexts? Wasn’t that what someone reported when Cook’s were released, that they somehow bore resemblance to those conversations between a landscaper?
    ______

    Hmmm…. (scratches chin)

    Rackner filing, I mentioned it yesterday
    B

  41. Rose says:

    @TRuth. wrt “Anywho, I see Houze makes reference to some sort of documents that LE has that belong to RSE, ”
    Why would LE “hold” anyone’s documents?
    1) docs he needed — thus held over his head (you need to do X for us to return them);
    2) docs implicating a crime (tax returns vs business records), again leverage
    3) docs wrt legal status in US?
    Thank goodness Houze has figured out, likely, mcso’s leverage with RSE.

    At this point, DA’s Office needs to save itself,
    or risk retrospective credibility wrt its role in many cases
    the likes of O’Donnell, Kafvre, et al have testified at.

  42. Rose says:

    looking forward to hearing you Blink at 9

    Thank you, I am scheduled for 9:25 after Ms. Dimond, just fyi and I will post the podcast links when available
    B

  43. Amys Sister says:

    Grasshopper, I know you are passionate and believe in Terri’s innocence 100%. I always read your posts and try to understand where you are coming from but we are obviously processing the information differently because thus far, I believe Terri knows more than she has shared and likely had a hand in Kyron’s disappearance. Maybe I’ve been completely buffaloed and if I have, believe me, I will own it.

    I’m hoping we can disagree peaceably. :)

  44. Amys Sister says:

    Would you consider emailing Houze with a self-identifying marker
    offering one Q for post-Court in the Hall , or his option,
    for a BOC corridor “interview,” and have
    the podcast recorder ready.
    ______

    That would be brilliant. He’d probably rather talk to GH than any Oregon talking head.

  45. Amys Sister says:

    Rackner filing, I mentioned it yesterday
    B
    _____

    Yes, just chewing on ‘could the documents be the sexts?’

    It seems like ‘documents’ would be more formal but I thought the idea interesting.

  46. Rose says:

    @MBS wrt “OK – Blink said she went so far as to check to be sure Anna Canzano was happily married, and she is.”
    No, that was, alas, me.

  47. T. Ruth says:

    Why is Houze so adamant in Kaine’s deposition about Kaine somehow having information about Terri that would put her in a negative light **prior** to Kyron going missing?

    I’ve always wondered if Kaine somehow found out about the alleged MFH, either by RSE himself or someone he (RSE) informed about KH having $10k on him. There was a rumor that RSE was recommended to KAINE by an Intel co-worker. The new court papers say something about RSE doing work at the Horman’s home AFTER the TMH restaurant meeting. (If I’m reading that correctly?) I am now wondering about the computer break-in at Intel again.

    “The line of questioning
    culminated in a discussion about the last meeting Sanchez had with Mother, which
    occurred several months later, and after Sanchez had performed additional work at the
    Horman home. “

  48. cd says:

    Amys Sister says:
    December 10, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    grasshopper says:

    December 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    ____

    You must have missed the part you snipped from my post.

    “…are you telling your husband that you are doing the work? And telling your friends that your husband is making you do it? Do your friends believe you clean gutters, clear blackberry bushes and drive a John Deere meanwhile, you’re not?”
    —————–
    I guess I don’t understand why all the interest in who did the yard work or who said they did the yard work. I have noticed the doing or not doing of cleaning up the berry bushes has never been important enough to either side to be part of divorce filings. So why do we care.

    Just as an aside I had four children and I can tell you I would never have cleaned out gutters or trimmed back berry bushes. I would have just told Kaine hire someone or do it yourself.

    If I might add to the discussion -I am a DIY girl from school-age. I have my own tools, tool boxes, multi purpose hardware and the like that would rival most dudes. Not Mr. Blink’s because he is a tool hoarder, lol, but you get the drift. Don’t get me started on my collection of various lighting gadgets of every kind, recharge, LED, multi-pivot and magnetic. I can remember when I was a child my Mom, sisters and I built a flagstone wall for a new cutting garden by driving the stones up the yard on the lawnmower. Dad came home and they probably spent money they did not have then to treat us to a dinner out for thanks.

    I am very OCD when it comes to mechanical or putting things together, so much so I have started projects by myself knowing I was probably being to aggressive and would need help ultimately.

    I put the top drawers of my last project together upside down, not because I did not follow the directions, I did, the arrow stickers were pointing the wrong way LOL.

    More often than not, it annoys Mr. Blink and can cause conflict because of his stereotypical man-needs to fix and well, make a lot of noise doing so.

    What I have learned finally is to have a project lined up for him ready to go so if he feels the need to want to “help” I can keep him busy elsewhere, or he can schedule those other mantivities one schedules to put off project B. All that said, there are some things I do not touch, nor will I and the house will explode before I attempt to fix a pipe, do anything near the oil tank, prune trees, go near gutters or anything having to do with a vehicle outside of putting air in tires and driving it to the dealer for service.

    Everyone and every couple has their own way of accomplishing things and I do not think on it’s own it should necessarily be judged through our eyes or circumstances. Maybe it was worth it to TMH to pay someone to do something she could not to keep the peace- Have we considered that is a sign of someone that not looking for divorce?

    I just dont want to get into the downward spiral that is when we get defensive about marital roles or honey do things.

    B

  49. grasshopper says:

    About emailing Houze hoping to talk, would love nothing more! however he has made it very clear that he doesn’t talk about ongoing cases. he might do so privately but not in hallway. although he doesn’t know my name of my moniker on here, he has seen me at every hearing since I started attending. He is very polite and kind! I did speak to Bunch once. I happened to be walking behind him a few blocks from the courthouse. Exchanged just a few words but he was delightful.

    Now you’ve got me wondering. If I could ask one question of Houze, what would it be?

  50. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    December 10, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    looking forward to hearing you Blink at 9

    Thank you, I am scheduled for 9:25 after Ms. Dimond, just fyi and I will post the podcast links when available
    B

    *********

    Great, cuz it comes on here right at dinner/world news time. Thanks.

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